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Ella`Ella
12-01-2016, 02:49 PM
Let the jury decide...
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To the esteemed Young Lawyers of Norrath,

On September 25, during a normal course of respawns, <Patriots> and <Cucks> charged the line in ToV for a foot race. In a heated moment of anticipation, Aaryonar spawned and the runners fired off of the line. As the runners of <Patriots> and <Cucks> began to turn the corner just past the door to the North Wing, <Cucks> runner Lil’ Billy was met with the fury of Eashen of the Sky, triggering an FTE on behalf of <Cucks>.

[Sun Sep 25 11:23:40 2016] Eashen of the Sky engages Lil’ Billy!

This single FTE would have locked <Cucks> into an hour timer in which they have uncontested rights to kill Eashen, at the expense of being disallowed from any further FTEs for that same hour. However, <Cucks> continued on to engage Aaryonar, thus breaking the one-hour timer provision of the FTE rule.

[Sun Sep 25 11:23:55 2016] Aaryonar engages Timmy!

After <Cucks> got Eashen FTE, it was natural to assume that <Patriots> would now get Aary FTE as <Cucks> is locked into Eashen for an hour. But, as <Patriots> continued on for FTE of Aary and secured it, a minute later <Cucks> decides to claim that Eashen was a tracker FTE since they were running for Aary (even though there are no trackers placed near this mob - Eashen/Aary are tracked with bind sight, not physical characters) and they proceed to pull Aary out from <Patriots>'s rightful FTE.

Sun Sep 25 11:24:30 2016] Elf Nerd shouts, 'Eashen was tracker FTE, conceded'

It would be absurd to think that you can simply claim tracker FTE on any and every mob that you encounter which you don't want on your way to the mob that you do want AFTER the fact. I would understand and be sympathetic to declaring a mob beforehand(regardless of whether there are other mobs up at that exact moment) this way there would be no confusion for other guilds, as securing FTE's requires the use of expendables such as idols, soulfires, wort pots, etc... but this situation is simply abusive of the rules in place with regard to spirit of the rule and the actual 'letter of the law'.

There is a policy in place that when multiple mobs are up, you call which mob you are going for so that if you get FTE from the other, it will not lock you in and you can continue for the chosen mob. This policy has been in place for some time and is observed by all guilds which directly avoids these situations. In this scenario, such was never made known to any other party.

Granted the timing was unfortunate for <Cucks>, it seems that they are operating under the policy that they can just secure FTE on whichever mobs they want and then concede all but the most valuable target to them.
Thus, in this scenario, we have <Cucks> not only securing wrongful FTE because they were locked into another target, but they also continued to pull and kill Aaryonar which would have rightfully belonged to <Patriots>.

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What say ye?

Nibblewitz
12-01-2016, 03:01 PM
"On September 25"

Statute of Limitations / No one gives a fuck.

Ella`Ella
12-01-2016, 03:08 PM
"On September 25"

Statute of Limitations / No one gives a fuck.

It's not in queue, Nibbleshitz. Also, Statute of Limitations was a Derubael thing... He's not 'round these parts these days.

arsenalpow
12-01-2016, 03:19 PM
This seems way more fun than instanced raiding

Kodim
12-01-2016, 03:29 PM
Literally no one would choose Aary over Eashen willingly.

icedwards
12-01-2016, 03:41 PM
Any racer beyond ToV entrance prior to a raid target spawn is considered a tracker (See Aftermath v Dozekar). Cucks concede Eashen, retain legitimate FTE on Aary.

Cecily
12-01-2016, 03:43 PM
I'd like FTE to cause a lock, intentional or not.

booter
12-01-2016, 04:00 PM
some very non-classic raiding happening on this server

bktroost
12-01-2016, 04:00 PM
It's not in queue, Nibbleshitz. Also, Statute of Limitations was a Derubael thing... He's not 'round these parts these days.

Sirken quoted the statue of limitations again to me just a few weeks ago. Still in place.

skarlorn
12-01-2016, 04:03 PM
No thanks, not reading this litigationquest document

bktroost
12-01-2016, 04:05 PM
On September 25, during a normal course of respawns....

If Eashan was not up before the racers left the doorline it is considered a tracker FTE to tag Eashan and does immediately get disqualified.

This is unquestionably the rule despite common day tracking methods. No player may achieve a legitimate FTE on any mob without starting at the designated starting line. Beneficial or harmful to their interests, any FTE achieved in this way is disqualified and MUST be conceded.

In a heated moment of anticipation, Aaryonar spawned and the runners fired off of the line. As the runners of <Patriots> and <Cucks> began to turn the corner just past the door to the North Wing, <Cucks> runner Lil’ Billy was met with the fury of Eashen of the Sky, triggering an FTE on behalf of <Cucks>

What we do not know from this description is whether or not Eashan was up before the racers left the line. That's the most relevant piece of data and it is missing from your description.

booter
12-01-2016, 04:14 PM
OBJECTION

Joyelle
12-01-2016, 04:22 PM
If Eashan was not up before the racers left the doorline it is considered a tracker FTE to tag Eashan and does immediately get disqualified.

This is unquestionably the rule despite common day tracking methods. No player may achieve a legitimate FTE on any mob without starting at the designated starting line. Beneficial or harmful to their interests, any FTE achieved in this way is disqualified and MUST be conceded.



What we do not know from this description is whether or not Eashan was up before the racers left the line. That's the most relevant piece of data and it is missing from your description.

Spot on, sir.

Ella`Ella
12-01-2016, 04:32 PM
bennie and the jets is a rly good song

u srs kid?

Cecily
12-01-2016, 04:34 PM
OBJECTION

http://i.imgur.com/a82W9jM.gif

FatMice
12-01-2016, 04:36 PM
Not using real names and guilds makes this thread useless. Prediction... thread dies by page 3.

radda
12-01-2016, 04:58 PM
u srs kid?

I like the song.

Cecily
12-01-2016, 05:01 PM
B-B-B-B-BENNY

BENNY

BENNY

That part is pretty fun to sing over and over. And over, till your friends are like seriously shut the fuck up.

maskedmelon
12-01-2016, 05:01 PM
Obviously Cucks are wrong or they wouldn't be Cucks, duuhhhhuhuuuhhh.

Now, I have to say I am actually surprised to learn that what they did actually is wrong (obvious wrong because Cucks done it, but would not have guessed if others had done it). Crazy. Tyx for the erudition OP ^^

Moosetoe
12-01-2016, 05:17 PM
If Eashan was not up before the racers left the doorline it is considered a tracker FTE to tag Eashan and does immediately get disqualified.

This is unquestionably the rule despite common day tracking methods. No player may achieve a legitimate FTE on any mob without starting at the designated starting line. Beneficial or harmful to their interests, any FTE achieved in this way is disqualified and MUST be conceded.



What we do not know from this description is whether or not Eashan was up before the racers left the line. That's the most relevant piece of data and it is missing from your description.

completely agree

There is a policy in place that when multiple mobs are up, you call which mob you are going for so that if you get FTE from the other, it will not lock you in and you can continue for the chosen mob. This policy has been in place for some time and is observed by all guilds which directly avoids these situations.

Can you please show me where this is documented as being a policy? It's little "rules" like this that are NOT mentioned in the Project 1999 Raid Rules (updated 4/5/2016) (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189856) that makes it very difficult for new players to enter, understand, and feel comfortable in the P99 raid scene, especially if being held accountable for "rules" that aren't on the go-to for understanding server rules.

booter
12-01-2016, 05:29 PM
it's not a policy, he just made it up to suit his position

Baler
12-01-2016, 06:01 PM
What say ye?

You're an idiot and you spent too much time thinking about elf sim laws.

Teako
12-01-2016, 10:56 PM
I'd like FTE to cause a lock, intentional or not.

agree, only exception I could see would be during train up process while pulling mob A into camp, and mob B spawns/agros train.

No "oh well I was running for X, but FTE'd Y. hurr, accidental (: (: (:"

Red_Messiah
12-02-2016, 03:48 AM
You're an idiot and you spent too much time thinking about elf sim laws.

Also have some dignity next time you're on Lord Sirken's stream, chew with your mouth closed.

Red_Messiah
12-02-2016, 03:48 AM
Umbrella-ella-ella-ey-ey-ey-ey that is

fan D
12-02-2016, 04:33 AM
unbrella posting his lifes work on an anon alt

(it tooks him 39 hours to write this)

Fragged
12-02-2016, 05:01 AM
If Eashan was not up before the racers left the doorline it is considered a tracker FTE to tag Eashan and does immediately get disqualified.

This is unquestionably the rule despite common day tracking methods. No player may achieve a legitimate FTE on any mob without starting at the designated starting line. Beneficial or harmful to their interests, any FTE achieved in this way is disqualified and MUST be conceded.

What we do not know from this description is whether or not Eashan was up before the racers left the line. That's the most relevant piece of data and it is missing from your description.

I agree and it seems like this was left out by OP to purposely to sway the "jury".


There is a policy in place that when multiple mobs are up, you call which mob you are going for so that if you get FTE from the other, it will not lock you in and you can continue for the chosen mob. This policy has been in place for some time and is observed by all guilds which directly avoids these situations.

This is neither a policy nor a rule or an agreement, this is simply nerds crossing their fingers hoping that IF it came to petition quest it would stick.

Kushie
12-02-2016, 08:46 PM
Are we having fun yet?

Lhancelot
12-03-2016, 02:05 PM
Sirken quoted the statue of limitations again to me just a few weeks ago. Still in place.

The more important question is, has Sirken ever quoted the Statue of Liberty to you though? that's the more important question imo.

jcr4990
12-03-2016, 02:18 PM
All players participating in Project 1999 raiding are cucks. As such I'm not sure which specific guild you are referring to when you refer to one of them as cucks.

skarlorn
12-03-2016, 10:00 PM
all people who don't play on p99 but still post here and take the tiem to read this thread are the real cucks

skarlorn
12-03-2016, 10:11 PM
Fucking nice bro

Proud