Acceptable these days?

[Mordygan]

So after a long while logging in, I head to MM with my 32 rogue. Get a group in Tower ( new group to me) but upon logging in was camped at CE.

CE was cleared of any mobs, never saw 1 player there. Find out where "Tower" group is and head up through GY.

Super Friends seems to be pulling the whole castle from CY to power level a few friends. A few years ago, I would have thought this was disruptive play. Seeing as there were 33 people in zone and this new group had zero mobs to pull. Even the area they were pulling was being freshly killed.

Upon asking this group of high levels, if they thought it was right, I was met with "Its FTE" in /ooc. So I remember the play nice policy, and seems it too has changed a bit, I still felt this was disruptive because I cant possibly out pull a group of 60's power leveling 2 or 3 lower levels.

Is this the new server rules? Is this how EQ is being played in P99 now?

MM seems to be a shit show with bad attitudes and the "All About Me!" generation, but will GM's not even rule or come to aid on a situation like this any longer?

Me personally, thought it was common sense through years of EQ, that there are certain camps and you expected with a full group of clearing a specific area, that is your camp.

Example: Pond MM group usually pulls all mobs around pond and through cave. GY pulls all mobs around GY and through to pit. CE pulls Castle Entrance and through the castle. CY gets Courtyard and shares mobs through the castle, unless certain mobs themselves are camped.

Opinions may very but this is the common FULL GROUP capable of clearing areas, census.

Is this common courtesy, out the door these days?

Can I now bring in a few level 60's and power level 2 characters from CY using the mobs that I can FTE? Abusing a high population zone like MM for my own benefit while disrupting whole groups just, JUST BECAUSE I CAN?

Give me a logical answer and I'll actually read what you type. I understand the trolls and red players are in a total different mind frame.

I just want to know if I need to move on to another server after experiencing this nonsense.

[Doors]

Play red. Problem solved.

[Swish]

Can't legit call FTE on a room full of mobs that run to your camp, til they get there and you hit them...I'd say, in which case I'd be up there picking them off as they ran by with teh same shit, "sorry dude, FTE u no" :p

PL'ing in Mistmoore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0El1SMvyoQ) and Unrest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTkDxE2IZlE) isn't a new thing, but its an inconsiderate thing to do. Hate it and wish it could be policed better.

Stricter rules on it would make the community less toxic imo.

[Swish]

That said...

Play red. Problem solved.

...and if you're worried about twinks coming for you, just keep moving and they won't be able to do much, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIc1VrJc92k) not that they're around really anymore.

[FatMice]

Disappointed in hearing this of Super Friends. Not the usual suspects.

[Mordygan]

Disappointed in hearing this of Super Friends. Not the usual suspects.

I agree... After initially questioning what they were doing, was answered by Jehovahsguard with." We are all grouped and pulling mobs we need to level". After questioning that with "Power leveling", answered with," No we are all grouped".

So, how are you grouped with 60's and leveling? Odd.

Next, was even more odd. "We are just making cash".

My response,"Grouped with a 60 druid? Leveling or power leveling? Or is it you are just making cash?".

Answer? "Yeah, we dont wanna die while making cash".

So after being pretty frustrated with this attempt at deflection, I stated," So its Making cash grouped or ungrouped, while leveling or power leveling in a high traffic zone on a large population time".

Romac," No one comes here unless they are grouped. Are you grouped? lol".


You know what Romac, I was grouped. Our mobs were gone. CE was gone due to zero mobs. I did not want Courtyard. I wanted to group and have fun. Was hoping for a CE group but settled for a new area ( More than likely due to the high traffic in MM) that people called "Tower".

Instead, I grouped and 1 guild ruined 3 camps that players could have been experiencing in.

Thank you for letting me know, Friends actually means Assholes, on P99.

[Mordygan]

For full disclosure:

Names in zone at the time.

35 Ranger Laeadin
AFK[ANON] Romac
AFK[ANON] Rexalus
[ANON] Jennova
34 War Jehovahsguard
32 Mage Leonium
26 Druid Haarold

All Super Friends, pulling 3 camps. But, there are no defined camps, is what I was told in /tell and /ooc.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

I just leveled an alt recently in mistmoore from 25-40 during prime time hours mostly. Never had this experience. Whether you are camped at CE or CY you are pulling the same mobs: anything and everything in the castle. Never had a problem with a lack of spawns at either spot.

It sounds like you were being an emotional douche tbh. Doesn't sound like you put in any effort to still find mobs to pull after you realized they were "pulling the whole castle." I am against people PLing in popular spots during prime hours but from what you described it doesn't sound like the group was disrupting the zone anymore than a regular CY group with high dps would.

[Mordygan]

Ziggy, I stated clearly... the camps from CE to CY, all mobs were cleared. That group listed pulled every one of them.

Emotional douchebag? Clearly, I have a reason. Maybe I didnt clarify, they pulled the castle. So you are simply mistaken.

[Swish]

For full disclosure:

Names in zone at the time.

35 Ranger Laeadin
AFK[ANON] Romac
AFK[ANON] Rexalus
[ANON] Jennova
34 War Jehovahsguard
32 Mage Leonium
26 Druid Haarold

All Super Friends, pulling 3 camps. But, there are no defined camps, is what I was told in /tell and /ooc.

Call Braknar, looks like a good box suspect right there

[Swish]

I just leveled an alt recently in mistmoore from 25-40 during prime time hours mostly. Never had this experience. Whether you are camped at CE or CY you are pulling the same mobs: anything and everything in the castle. Never had a problem with a lack of spawns at either spot.

It sounds like you were being an emotional douche tbh. Doesn't sound like you put in any effort to still find mobs to pull after you realized they were "pulling the whole castle." I am against people PLing in popular spots during prime hours but from what you described it doesn't sound like the group was disrupting the zone anymore than a regular CY group with high dps would.

35ish in the zone is crowded. It's bad enough if there's a decent CE and CY group both contesting the mobs by the gypsies/werewolves. That's when normal sane PLers decide to give somewhere else a try or come back another time. MM really isn't the place to do it when its that crowded.

I'm with the OP here... the community stinks sometimes.

[Nilstoniakrath]

PL-ing in a popular grouping zone is simply put a douchebag move... if you are that F-ing good, you can think of a zone that is not populated and do your %$#@ there.

[Swish]

Nurga/Droga would have been perfect, wouldn't it?

[Lhancelot]

Maybe I am just burned out on MM, but I also have noticed more frequent asshattery over the last couple months.

My favorite is going to the pond camp and finding two twinks who refuse to group with any of the ten lowbies who have come lfg.

Then when the other lowbies start pulling mobs from the canyon the twinks get angry and tell the entire zone they are camping pond and the canyon is their camp too.

The only way to avoid these selfish shits is to get xp in other less populated zones. Just avoid MM and UR imo.

[Swish]

Not excusing their behavior but we're in late Velious now, so the twink gear that the average player can have is extremely OP for the zone they're in. Typically pre-Kunark I'd argue it was hard for a 20s pond group to pull the entire canyon given the bronze armor and bad ratio weapons people had on, not to mention smaller mana pools on the healers and etc etc.

Now being limited to the pond area is quite restrictive for people who are more and more impatient for levels in a zone that really can't respawn fast enough.

Definitely worth considering some alternatives, or playing off-peak :p

[Nairb1]

For full disclosure:

Names in zone at the time.

35 Ranger Laeadin
AFK[ANON] Romac
AFK[ANON] Rexalus
[ANON] Jennova
34 War Jehovahsguard
32 Mage Leonium
26 Druid Haarold

All Super Friends, pulling 3 camps. But, there are no defined camps, is what I was told in /tell and /ooc.

i thought u said there were 35 ppl in zone, i only see 7 names, 2 of which are 60. And was it only u qqn cause its unusual that Romac and the bois wouldnt have moved or not pulled an area if u made a group for that area.

[Swish]

i thought u said there were 35 ppl in zone, i only see 7 names...

^^ That's the worst lawyering on the forums I think I've ever seen. Please stop.

[Kowalski]

Welcome to P99 where common decency is and uncommon virture.

[maskedmelon]

For full disclosure:

Names in zone at the time.

35 Ranger Laeadin
AFK[ANON] Romac
AFK[ANON] Rexalus
[ANON] Jennova
34 War Jehovahsguard
32 Mage Leonium
26 Druid Haarold

All Super Friends, pulling 3 camps. But, there are no defined camps, is what I was told in /tell and /ooc.

Power leveling in xp zones is pretty deplorable when it they are monopolizing significant portions of the zone during prime time. What you described is not that though. Efficient CE groups regularly clear to CY, s mobs being down there does t really say much :/ Nobody generally pulls the second floor or the area back beyond the ambassador (cooks, butler etc,) though. If those were all clear then your complaint of zone disruption is a bit more valid. The dew that large collections of mobs belong to certain camps is unfortunately just not true :/ A camp is a single named and its ph's or a single room (LoS). Anything beyond that is FFA. The one suggestion I can make if you are bothered this much by what happened is do not play a puller, ever. You will struggle, it will be frustrating and your groups will suffer for it :/

[rollin5k]

mistmoore castle should be left alone for the noobs. If you are a 60 druid and you and your buddies are power leveling there at prime time you are a moron. You should be cleansed by first an assault of insults and belittling in ooc and then a follow up of braknars heavy handed death touch discipline.

[Nitsude]

Upper Guk yo

[Expediency]

At any given time there are a dozen dungeons with nobody in them. I dont have a problem with PL but people who do it in the popular zones that regularly have 20+ people are jerks who should be called out.

[Castigate]

Why not just move somewhere that cuts them off from a wing or more of the castle?
If the whole castle is clear you could just move into the main lobby, or the library, somewhere where they'd be forced to train you and then just report them?
Unless your group wanted to ensure that they got the tower spawn?

[entruil]

Most people when playing eq are pretty damn classy and most of the time in instances such as this there is a misunderstanding whether it is confusion of facts or bad first impression or misinterpretation of tone. Being around so long and as much as some people have played it, they lose sight of what EQ actually is. Chances are it was a bad experience and is not indicative of neither parties involved nor server. You said it yourself...

So after a long while logging in, I head to MM with my 32 rogue.

Not saying "there are not asshats around", just sayin' there ARE still ways to solve these issues when they arise.

As for if you should choose a different server... You should do whatever you feel is the best for you. I would caution you not to use 1 incident to base this decision on. The GM's do step in when it's called for (not saying it wasn't) , but they also have to choose NOT to intervene in certain cases as well (I have no clue if they even seen a petition or if you sent one or anything).


My initial inclination was to "Wouldn't happen on Red", then thought no they would just kill you with OOR healers and buffs, but hey on Red it would of been...

Attack said party for dominance of camp, get killed, but...

They can't loot any Items.
You can LNS.
You are forced to go somewhere else and xp.
(Not that there would of been groups in MM hehe)..

(Rant and Flail Qualifier Observed. )

[Spyder73]

Mistmoore castle is certainly not FTE. Those players can try to camp the entire zone if they want to but you are also allowed to move in and take a camp.

Pro thing to do would have been move into CY and start contesting them. If they get cucky or start KSing page a GM. You probably could have also taken the Pit (although not as many spawns). Basically "camps" revolve around named spawns and you are not allowed to camp multiple spawns if other players are wanting to take one over.

TLDR; "Castle" is not a camp, there are multiple camps in there and you could have/should have taken one.

[Swish]

Mistmoore castle is certainly not FTE. Those players can try to camp the entire zone if they want to but you are also allowed to move in and take a camp.

Pro thing to do would have been move into CY and start contesting them. If they get cucky or start KSing page a GM. You probably could have also taken the Pit (although not as many spawns). Basically "camps" revolve around named spawns and you are not allowed to camp multiple spawns if other players are wanting to take one over.

TLDR; "Castle" is not a camp, there are multiple camps in there and you could have/should have taken one.

It's the usual shit where people will try to say what the rules are depending on what suits them, and hope that the people they're shitting on either don't petition, or if they do that they'll continue to take the piss until a GM turns up to say otherwise and just get a slap on the wrists.

EQ used to be a great game with a great community. We need change. Make Norrath great again.

[Spyder73]

Bring back Serenya

[Swish]

Best SK you'll ever group with, love that class til the end of time.

[Gumbo]

I hit MM for the Halloween event and there was maybe about 12-15 players and they were all under level 30.

The personal complaint for MM is unless you're a warrior, monk, cleric or enchanter. Players don't want you in their group.

[kotton05]

PL where ever you want. If someone is pulling more than 4 mobs you can pull out of their pack... If someone is damage shield PLn just out damage who ever is being PL'd. They will cry then move. Also have logs on and shadow play capturing what's going on because I've seen brakanar ready to just suspend people over he said she said:)

Happy questing.

[Mordygan]

"What you described is not that though. Efficient CE groups regularly clear to CY, s mobs being down there does t really say much"

I was in a group, and mobs disappeared... I followed the mobs I was heading to pull, from literally 10m away ... all the way through invis walls.. up stairs and down stairs until I was led to the Courtyard. If it disbanded my group, it more than likely disbanded the CE group as there was zero response to a petition.

They are tired of babysitting. I get it. I'm sure its alot of the same players, and other players seeing these players get away with it. So whats that create? A plague of individuals that know, there will be no punishment.

I'm telling you, this isnt the first time. I was in a CE group a few weeks ago on another character. Instead of petitionquest, about 3 members in the group got fed up and logged after a group sat, literally, in the ballroom with the musicians. We were clearing the area, they wanted it and sat there.

Again, was in a GY group, which has what? Maybe 6 or 7 spawns in GY alone and usually you pull the pit? Place was packed again and 2 players decided they would sit in pit and pull those mobs, claiming it as a camp. So again, a full group in GY gets 7 mobs while 2 get to kill a split spawn in the pit.

Yet again, instead the puller had to camp the pit in order to pull what is spawning, instead of being able to run and check invis wall for mobs, he logged due to the lack of experience. As did a few others, citing again, lack of support and energy to /petitionquest that will be unresponsive.

Petition all you want. When I started this post, I had a petition in, and had screenshots/logs. What I didnt have, was fraps.

Regardless, after 3 or so hours, I logged and this group of players got what they wanted. They didnt stop until they were done. No GM reply.

I havent played in awhile and wanted to try and get back into the game and find another guild to raid with. In the past 2 weeks of play, I have realized how much this server has changed.

Since this was my 3rd time experiencing this within a few weeks, I decided to make a post to gain a little attention towards high traffic, grouping zones and the people that like to ruin them.

Hoping either the community could either change in order to better the server, or it can get a little attention by the GM's.

I dont think this should be an issue. Common courtesy and moral integrity, should tell you if something is right or wrong. Instead, you get rule lawyering and made up nonsense to justify a selfish act.

In the past, just petitioning this type of behavior made the selfish players log. Now they have zero fear.

I cant remember the name of the Guide back 2 years ago or so, but I petitioned this type of behavior way back when and that Guide stated there were camps and not just individual mob camps in MM. Whatever she said to the offender, all I know is they apologized to the whole group and went on their merry way out of the zone. I believe it was a Pond group and we were pulling "and keeping it clear, mind you", the caverns. A monk and a Ranger sat on the hillside "sniping" spawns as they appeared.

I got several /tells from the offender, stating I and the Guides instructions were wrong according to the Play Nice policies at the time. It wasnt a camp they said.

I'm guessing that was MaskedMelon. =p

[Mordygan]

"Why not just move somewhere that cuts them off from a wing or more of the castle?
If the whole castle is clear you could just move into the main lobby, or the library, somewhere where they'd be forced to train you and then just report them?"

Castigate, when I stopped in CY to, honestly passive aggressively "scold them" for disrupting the zone, another person went to pull. When they pulled a single mob, somehow it got social agro from another CY pull and killed them. The CY group did mercy Rez them, but it should have never happened.

So moving elsewhere to intentionally disrupt their pulling, was in my eyes 2 wrongs not making a right.

If we had moved in further and gotten a bad mass respawn while fighting, it could have been an easy wipe. Again, it hurts us not them.

[Mordygan]

If we had moved in further "out of the way of the pulls" and gotten a bad mass respawn while fighting, it could have been an easy wipe. Again, it hurts us not them.

Reporting, apparently, is temporarily disabled in game. Too many chiefs and not enough indians on the management side.

Again, I believe they are tired of babysitting and would rather the community to work it out.

Only one side of this argument is willing to have courtesy.

Its like banning guns. Its to take the guns out of the criminals hands, but it only takes them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

[maskedmelon]

Mord, you either need a better puller or to pull up stakes and go elsewhere. On one hand you are arguing for camps, on the other hand you are arguing against them. You want to be able to claim "tower" as a camp, but deny others the ability to claim "pit" as a camp.

For pulling, waiting for pit to spawn is not the solution. Pull from the castle, just make sure you have solid aggro when you pull through CE. If they root of cc your pulls then explain what you are doing and why you are doing it. If they continue to interfere or is then pull more and speed up pulls until you can get some through. Have a second groupmate pull if you are having trouble keeping group fed. Work back end of canyon, out to base of tower and rooms from stairs behind invis wall. Lots of options, waiting just isnt ideal. And no, never been reprimanded or told to leave for earning experience ^^

[Swish]

If we had moved in further "out of the way of the pulls" and gotten a bad mass respawn while fighting, it could have been an easy wipe. Again, it hurts us not them.

Reporting, apparently, is temporarily disabled in game. Too many chiefs and not enough indians on the management side.

Again, I believe they are tired of babysitting and would rather the community to work it out.

Only one side of this argument is willing to have courtesy.

Its like banning guns. Its to take the guns out of the criminals hands, but it only takes them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

That's just enabling the shitheads in the community to be assholes whenever/wherever they want :( I think there's still consequences for being a dick, I sure hope there is.

[kotton05]

you need TO RECORD THE SHITTY BEHAVIOR as proof or else it all comes off as butt hurt nerds to the GMs guys...

Swish im with you, they are not tired of babysitting, they just have limited time etc after all this is an emulated server and the owners/gms are doing this just like us .. because they like EQ.

[Swish]

Exactly, hard to have eyes everywhere. The next best thing a player can do is record footage and send it in with a forum petition. Make the chat logs visible (don't record in 240p etc).

I'm all for justice on this box for people who go out of their way to stop others from enjoying the game.