Aftermath suspeneded... discuss

[baue1446]

Discuss

[indiscriminate_hater]

nah

[Gimp]

rabble rabble rabble

[maskedmelon]

Sounds retarded if FTE proceeded normally with racers after tracker accidental FTE'd, but basically same issue as Awaken's Naggy ban. Accidental engage is accidental engage, so +1 for consistency ^^

Kinda actually like the absolute stance. Very black and white, makes easy to follow ^^

[khanable]

So what's the story? Tracker fte is the most black and white rule there is

[Gimp]

So what's the story? Tracker fte is the most black and white rule there is

This, I'm not up to date on the raid goings-on since football season started

[maskedmelon]

Dunno, was just going off Sir Ken's write up in the raid forum. It suggested that a tracker for FTE, dropped and the. The race proceeded as normal with Aftermath securing a second FTE, but the original fracker FTE disqualified them.

[maskedmelon]

Dunno, was just going off Sir Ken's write up in the raid forum. It suggested that a tracker got FTE and dropped the dagron. The race then proceeded as normal with Aftermath securing a second FTE, but the original fracker FTE disqualified them.

Wow iphone ass-sucking ftl. Corrected post above ^^

[Kodim]

Awakened conceded Dozekar. The person tracking for Aftermath then left the zone, came back in and pulled.

They should have just used someone else but that's what happened.

[Gimp]

Awakened conceded Dozekar. The person tracking for Aftermath then left the zone, came back in and pulled.

They should have just used someone else but that's what happened.

Uhhhh

[Gimp]

Accidentally hit submit, but there has to be more to the story than that

[Signal]

Such a relief not raiding on this server anymore. Try Al'kabor Project bros if you are tired of the drama filled idiocy that is P99 raiding. Velious releasing there tomorrow.

[baue1446]

Accidentally hit submit, but there has to be more to the story than that

and yet there is not.. thats EXACTLY how it happened... 100%

[Kodim]

Accidentally hit submit, but there has to be more to the story than that

The only part more is AM then dropped Dozekar while it was in camp to "reset" it, but you also can't do that apparently.

[Ella`Ella]

[4/19/2016 1:18:56 AM] sirken eLanti .: if no one is contesting anything that you guys are fine
[4/19/2016 1:20:08 AM] sirken eLanti .: the rule exists to give all guilds a fair shot. if your guild is the only guild contesting, then it really doesnt matter. its kinda like how faydedar was, in the sense that if no other guild was there to contest, you were allowed to kite him around until you were ready to kill. but as soon as another guild shows up to contest, then its no longer ok

[Ella`Ella]

For context - no other guild was there to contest.

Awakened will be eating a suspension for frivolous petitions, duplicity and manipulation.

[maskedmelon]

Hahaha, wow ok, so super retarded, but still consistent ... except for the tell which seems to speak contrary. Interesting and tbh, even though utterly retarded given the context, actually super glad with the blank and white application. If we can all expect this going forward that makes everything superly simpler ^^

[maskedmelon]

To clarify, I am super happy with the approach ^^ not sure about the particulars ^^

[AzzarTheGod]

[4/19/2016 1:18:56 AM] sirken eLanti .: if no one is contesting anything that you guys are fine
[4/19/2016 1:20:08 AM] sirken eLanti .: the rule exists to give all guilds a fair shot. if your guild is the only guild contesting, then it really doesnt matter. its kinda like how faydedar was, in the sense that if no other guild was there to contest, you were allowed to kite him around until you were ready to kill. but as soon as another guild shows up to contest, then its no longer ok

The plot thickens.

If its true that no one was available to contest, then this suspension should be commuted or overturned, no? Rules do change and the spirit of the rules matters more than the written rule itself.

Is it possible Aftermath was found in violation of the spirit of the rules?

The particulars aren't clear and I am sure its under review.

[Stormfists]

I don't believe in spirits, ghosts or even polteirgeists.

Swallow that ban scumlords.

[Bones]

Rules do change and the spirit of the rules matters more than the written rule itself.

this is what I told a cop one time who pulled me over for rolling through a stop-sign when nobody else was even on the street

didn't work out for me then either

[AzzarTheGod]

this is what I told a cop one time who pulled me over for rolling through a stop-sign when nobody else was even on the street

didn't work out for me then either

Thank god for no traffic cameras outside of the major city turnpike.

I regularly run red lights after checking for cars past 9 PM or so.

[Ella`Ella]

Thank god for no traffic cameras outside of the major city turnpike.

I regularly run red lights after checking for cars past 9 PM or so.

You plebs still drive yourselves? Haven't driven myself since 2012 - Viva Uber!

[azeth]

For context - no other guild was there to contest.

Awakened will be eating a suspension for frivolous petitions, duplicity and manipulation.

you're the dumbest girl on the planet

[Freakish]

I just can't believe someone would do this.

[Zemus]

For context - no other guild was there to contest.

Awakened will be eating a suspension for frivolous petitions, duplicity and manipulation.

True. I was there thinking it would be a good opportunity to grab a doze fte after awakened conceded and aftermath wiped. Decided against it as we had no way to muster the force before aftermath recovered and it was dead. No one was there to contest except a few randoms like me getting timers.

[Gimp]

I'm just confused how you can consider someone a tracker if the mob spawns and they gate out of the zone and come back in. You're still passing the "start" line that the racers are supposed to start at, and you gain zero advantage.

Very interesting ruling.

[Raev]

I'm just confused how you can consider someone a tracker if the mob spawns and they gate out of the zone and come back in. You're still passing the "start" line that the racers are supposed to start at, and you gain zero advantage.

I'm wondering the same thing.

If I was GM I'd be dropping the 'frivolous hammer' petition tbh; it's pretty remarkable to get a full 10 day suspension on what is at best a strange technicality.

[Raev]

god damn it, frivolous petition hammer

[Ella`Ella]

I'm just confused how you can consider someone a tracker if the mob spawns and they gate out of the zone and come back in. You're still passing the "start" line that the racers are supposed to start at, and you gain zero advantage.

Very interesting ruling.

It's because the GMs were not given this information. They were duped as a result of Awakened (in true Taken fashion) manipulating the actual series of events for their benefit without presenting the actual facts.

This will come with serious consequence when resolved and I truly feel for the innocent members of Awakend that will and continue to suffer from reckless, deceitful, unscrupulous leadership.

How can so many Awakened go from following the leadership of Rampage to following Breaken and Scum (minus Eratani). You owe it to yourselves to seek greener pastures.

[kotton05]

thats scummy AS FUCKKKKKKKK hope this turns on awakened, not like AM was trying to break the rule , their fte'r even zoned out and back in to pull....

[paulgiamatti]

Awakened conceded Dozekar. The person tracking for Aftermath then left the zone, came back in and pulled.

They should have just used someone else but that's what happened.

I'm kinda confused. Why did Awakened concede? Did they initially have FTE and make an attempt and fuck things up, then concede, or did they not even mobilize or make an attempt?

Was the Aftermath tracker at Dozekar's spawn point and accidentally FTEd once it spawned, then zoned out and back in or died and got rezzed, then went back to pull once the force was ready (scenario A)? Or did the tracker wait until his force was ready and figured the no-tracker-FTE rule no longer applied at that point because pretty much anyone could've pulled and there was no competition (scenario B)? Or something else entirely?

[Ella`Ella]

I'm kinda confused. Why did Awakened concede? Did they initially have FTE and make an attempt and fuck things up, then concede, or did they not even mobilize or make an attempt?

Was the Aftermath tracker at Dozekar's spawn point and accidentally FTEd once it spawned, then zoned out and back in or died and got rezzed, then went back to pull once the force was ready (scenario A)? Or did the tracker wait until his force was ready and figured the no-tracker-FTE rule no longer applied at that point because pretty much anyone could've pulled and there was no competition (scenario B)? Or something else entirely?

1) Awakened breaks the no tracker FTE rule (as they've done multiple times - and have been suspended for).
2) Awakened is forced to concede for improper conduct.
3) Aftermath takes their tracker, zones the toon out of ToV and then zones back in, runs all the way to the target again and gets FTE with no other guild in zone contesting.
4) Awakened petitions using a manipulated and distorted version of the actual events.
5) Aftermath suspended by GMs based on false testimony.

[Pokesan]

wow.

justice is blind.

[paulgiamatti]

I'm just confused how you can consider someone a tracker if the mob spawns and they gate out of the zone and come back in. You're still passing the "start" line that the racers are supposed to start at, and you gain zero advantage.

Ah okay that sheds some light. I guess that's kind of a weird ruling. I can sort of understand why they'd want to make the rule apply across all lines considering A/A's penchant for using even the tiniest thing to their advantage in an effort to increase their pixel intake. Easier to just say "no, it was the same person that FTEd, end of story" instead of risking the possibility of insane neckbeards using it to their advantage in the future.

[Kodim]

At the end of the day, you should have used a different puller.

Mob was conceded and you had plenty of time to find someone else.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Just to be perfectly crystal clear, if one of your trackers are the first to engage the raid target, your guild is DQ'd from the encounter.

[Gimp]

Just to be perfectly crystal clear, if one of your trackers are the first to engage the raid target, your guild is DQ'd from the encounter.

At what point is someone no longer considered a tracker? What if I'm tracking a mob, someone comes to rep me, I zone out, zone back in, and the guy spawns as I get to the start line. I get FTE, am I still a tracker because I had been there previously?

This is about as vague of a ruling that I've seen on this server. The guy left the zone entirely and came back, that is negating his eyes on the target, thus he is no longer actively "tracking" the mob.

Again, really odd ruling.

[bktroost]

we had people in zone watching and were discussing moving on the target. We weren't racing for it but we have logs and watched the whole thing unfold. Once both conceded we were moving into action when we saw the second FTE. Just saying, it would have been dead to CSG hands otherwise.

[Gimp]

we had people in zone watching and were discussing moving on the target. We weren't racing for it but we have logs and watched the whole thing unfold. Once both conceded we were moving into action when we saw the second FTE. Just saying, it would have been dead to CSG hands otherwise.

You gave a guy enough time to zone out, sow, zone back in and go get FTE.

I'd hardly consider that contesting.

[bktroost]

not that we petitioned, but just saying.

[Gimp]

we had people in zone watching and were discussing moving on the target. We weren't racing for it but we have logs and watched the whole thing unfold. Once both conceded we were moving into action when we saw the second FTE. Just saying, it would have been dead to CSG hands otherwise.

just saying

[khanable]

lol aftermath also conceded it?

[Gimp]

lol aftermath also conceded it?

That would change my opinion on this, but I haven't seen anyone say AM conceded

[khanable]

we get new details every 4th or 5th post

this is like asking a room full of kindergarteners who shit on the floor

[bktroost]

just saying

racing=competing? Not racing=not competing?

So if you are not there for a ST golem spawn i'll make sure you inform your people that they cannot take FA while we are working a pull. Or Zlandicar. Or any other mob you don't have trackers in zone for.

[Gimp]

Racing = Competing in Kael and ToV, yes.

[khanable]

That would change my opinion on this, but I haven't seen anyone say AM conceded

Nemce just said both conceded

[Gimp]

Nemce just said both conceded

If that's true, then my bad, would be a warranted suspension. Can't forfeit a merb then kill it anyway.

[Ella`Ella]

If that's true, then my bad, would be a warranted suspension. Can't forfeit a merb then kill it anyway.

I'm unaware of this. Currently at a Don Henley concert, I can back to you between Hotel California and Witchy Woman.

[Tankdan]

lolz what a shitty way to eat a 10 day of all the things guilds do on this server to acquire pixels. Sirken u can do better.

[bktroost]

Nemce just said both conceded

The backchannels in skype got signals crossed. I have no steak in whether or not someone from AM ever said they conceded. All I'm saying is that to define contesting mobs as racing for them from before pop is not consistant. I recall my first ever ToV North kill on this server was sneaking up on my mage and cothing a raid in while no one noticed (prior to the 60 minute rule) and my second one being a sevelak that we fted 10 minutes after it was up because no one wanted to risk it with vuulak in window (after 60 minute rule).

Point being, contesting does not only mean racing.

[bktroost]

lol *stake, not steak. Skipped dinner, must be hungry.

[khanable]

nemce what the fuck

you just said both guilds conceded so you were going to move in

[Gimp]

The backchannels in skype got signals crossed. I have no steak in whether or not someone from AM ever said they conceded. All I'm saying is that to define contesting mobs as racing for them from before pop is not consistant. I recall my first ever ToV North kill on this server was sneaking up on my mage and cothing a raid in while no one noticed (prior to the 60 minute rule) and my second one being a sevelak that we fted 10 minutes after it was up because no one wanted to risk it with vuulak in window (after 60 minute rule).

Point being, contesting does not only mean racing.

Well of course, there's some mobs that don't really pertain to what I'm saying. There's a handful of mobs that both A/A will contest 100% of the time, even if Vulak is in window. Doze is one of those. Mobs like Iki, Sevelak, Gozz, Telk don't really count since you know both of those guilds hardly prioritize them (especially when big dude is in window). It's common sense, really.

And I'm not attacking you or accusing you of anything, just making an observation homie

[bktroost]

nemce what the fuck

you just said both guilds conceded so you were going to move in

cucs, i was not even online at the time. Our guys said double tracker FTE, looks like both are conceding. So we got people online and started the move and then i get a message saying "uhh aftermath FTEd it. They are killing it looks like." So we called it off.

[khanable]

nemce, I like you, but you're making it real fuckin hard to armchair GM this

[bktroost]

nemce, I like you, but you're making it real fuckin hard to armchair GM this

hahaha well i hear they need some new ones on their staff! You been around a long time, how about you turn in that ST Rod for a ban hammer? Braknar tells me ban hammers look real good on Iksars.

[khanable]

i'd rather die than mediate angry virgins

[Raev]

It's also an interesting question: if one guild's tracker trains another, are both DQed due to multiple FTE messages?

If so, deals can be arranged . . . .

[bktroost]

off to watch netflix. enjoy the very little insight i brought. mazel tov.

[Tankdan]

It's also an interesting question: if one guild's tracker trains another, are both DQed due to multiple FTE messages?


Thats been done a lot especially in kunark. It doesnt DQ the one who got trained.

[Skew]

Full Definition of frivolous
1
a : of little weight or importance
b : having no sound basis (as in fact or law) <a frivolous lawsuit>
2
a : lacking in seriousness
b : marked by unbecoming levity



If Katierakel was tracking and zoned out without getting YT then zoned back in and ran up to get YT , this would be a frivolous petition.
The zoning out is crucial. There is nothing stopping a tracker zoning out / in and becoming an FTEr at any point in a mobs window even without any concession and regardless of other guilds competing.

If this is the case shouldn't a frivolous petition be punished more severely than an honest mistake as you make the GMs look foolish. 20 day ban inc? Or is it 30 as Awakened already had a 10 dayer.
Crikey.

[khanable]

enjoy the very little insight i brought

http://i.imgur.com/7YDIHUU.jpg

<3

[Ella`Ella]

Someone asked about spirit of the rule versus the literal rule - as the author of this rule, the rule was created to eliminate Autofire abuse. If a tracker zones out, zones back in, runs up and then secures FTE uncontested (meaning no one ran against them before, during, or after they began running up) this wouldn't violate the spirit of the rule.

[kotton05]

give it time, i can't wait for them to see the blatant train by Awakened in sleepers the other night.

[skarlorn]

Sirken, you should ban Dozekar for being a dirty little slut for multiple raid guilds

[khysanth]

consider phinny

[Signal]

consider phinny

No. Al'kabor Project. Legit Classic and going to PoP.

[khanable]

No. Al'kabor Project. Legit Classic and going to PoP.

Do most people box over there (i.e., is server population actually 1/3 of the eqemu numbers)?

[fan D]

unbrella do somethin with your life kid jesus

[Signal]

Do most people box over there (i.e., is server population actually 1/3 of the eqemu numbers)?

Some do and some don't. More 2 box than 3 box. Pretty chill server. Definitely a step up from some of the stuff on here the last year.

[colicab]

Luclin is coming out next Wednesday on Phinny! Come on over!

[entruil]

the hyperbole is unprecedented... i made a friend once... should of seen it... lmao

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Someone asked about spirit of the rule versus the literal rule - as the author of this rule, the rule was created to eliminate Autofire abuse. If a tracker zones out, zones back in, runs up and then secures FTE uncontested (meaning no one ran against them before, during, or after they began running up) this wouldn't violate the spirit of the rule.
Umbrella did you not say this?
Those 2 characters that you did log in are considered trackers and are subject to all the limitations of a tracker, which includes basically not being able to take any part in the encounter.
from this thread http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1883013&postcount=31

[Ella`Ella]

I did. But, the circumstances I stated above are not the same as the circumstances below.

In the event below, if I remember correctly goes back to a similar situation (I'm referencing a Rampage suspension when they were past the blue pad in VP and engaged PD and then just ran back to the starting line), the "trackers" did not "die/gate/gate pot/zone out as per the acceptable methods (of breaking FTE/reesetting) set forth by both Derubael and Sirken in the case of FE vs TMO vs CT. This standards held throughout all of kunark and throughout all of Velious with TMO/Foresaken vs Rampage with no change ever being made by a player agreement or GM ruling.

[Ella`Ella]

Yes, I'm a virgin.
Yes, I live in my mother's basement.
Yes, she's a good cook.

[Gimp]

If gating out, SoW'ing, zoning in, and then running up and FTE'ing the mob doesn't turn you from a tracker to a FTE'r then wtf does?

[maskedmelon]

If gating out, SoW'ing, zoning in, and then running up and FTE'ing the mob doesn't turn you from a tracker to a FTE'r then wtf does?

3 espresso shots and a blunt

[maskedmelon]

Damn, tough crowd.

[Signal]

If gating out, SoW'ing, zoning in, and then running up and FTE'ing the mob doesn't turn you from a tracker to a FTE'r then wtf does?

The real question is... Why is everyone worrying about all this ?

Guys. Velious has been out over a year and all the Velious changes still haven't been implemented. The game is over on this server except for a few changes to mechanics and a Chardok revamp. Don't keep giving this idiotic raid scene hours of your damn lives.

[toosweet]

Yes, I'm a virgin.
Yes, I live in my mother's basement.
Yes, she's a good cook.

Do she like the anal?
I might want to meet her

[Eponymous Anonymous]

I did. But, the circumstances I stated above are not the same as the circumstances below.

In the event below, if I remember correctly goes back to a similar situation (I'm referencing a Rampage suspension when they were past the blue pad in VP and engaged PD and then just ran back to the starting line), the "trackers" did not "die/gate/gate pot/zone out as per the acceptable methods (of breaking FTE/reesetting) set forth by both Derubael and Sirken in the case of FE vs TMO vs CT. This standards held throughout all of kunark and throughout all of Velious with TMO/Foresaken vs Rampage with no change ever being made by a player agreement or GM ruling.

That's not what that thread was about but I only linked the post and not the whole thread, my apologies. It was actually BDA vs AG at CT and it calls into question whether or not a person camped out in the zone (considered a tracker) can assist in the fight if logging in after the target has spawned. I would be interested in seeing the documentation of the case you mentioned if it exists.

Do you remember when Lord Bob guild was in Hate when Maestro spawned and they all ported out and back in again before they killed it? They still got suspended for that and it's no different from AM's tracker zoning out and then back in to acquire an FTE. If a person is in the vicinity of a raid target when it spawns they are labeled a tracker, and thereby precluded from engaging or assisting in the encounter, especially obtaining FTE.

AM could have sent one of the myriad of people they had at the zone in who were not tracking to secure a legal and unambiguous FTE. They had plenty of time to do so - 6 minutes! Instead they decided to poke around the gray area of the rule which is never a good idea when Sirken is the adjudicator. What's the old saying? You play with fire you're gonna get burned.

Live and learn, see you in 10 days.

[skarlorn]

Yes, I'm a virgin.
Yes, I live in my mother's basement.
Yes, she's a good cook.

Excellent work here

[AzzarTheGod]

It's because the GMs were not given this information. They were duped as a result of Awakened (in true Taken fashion) manipulating the actual series of events for their benefit without presenting the actual facts.

This will come with serious consequence when resolved and I truly feel for the innocent members of Awakend that will and continue to suffer from reckless, deceitful, unscrupulous leadership.

How can so many Awakened go from following the leadership of Rampage to following Breaken and Scum (minus Eratani). You owe it to yourselves to seek greener pastures.

Huge post.

The beefs about to really cook.

[fan D]

dear umbrella

seek help

[Tankdan]

Guys. Velious has been out over a year and all the Velious changes still haven't been implemented. The game is over on this server except for a few changes to mechanics and a Chardok revamp. Don't keep giving this idiotic raid scene hours of your damn lives.

Can confirm, I'm 4 months sober. feels amazing not having to log in for raid targets and shit, would highly recommend.

[Kushie]

blue99 is pretty dumb

[Hamedore]

@ Aftermath members : get back to your real lives, oh sorry u don't have one !
Enjoy RL without EQ ;)

[radda]

@ get back to your real lives, oh sorry u don't have one !
Enjoy RL without EQ ;)

Tak project fay gate..

[Flux]

If gating out, SoW'ing, zoning in, and then running up and FTE'ing the mob doesn't turn you from a tracker to a FTE'r then wtf does?

Awakened's tracker got FTE on naggy.
The tracker camped out and Naggy stayed up for 30 more minutes until they killed him.
This lead to a 10 day ban, followed by a wave of abuse toward Awakened for thinking that they can step all over the rules.

Is your argument that Awakened's tracker should have zoned out to lavastorm, zoned back in, and somehow the Tracker FTE would be "cleared"? (no, that sounds absurd)

In both cases, A and A both assumed that they had adequately mitigated the Yellow Text of their tracker. However, Yellow Text on a tracker has 100% strikethrough. It is un-mitigatable!

Sirken's ruling is one of consistency. If a character is past the FTE line when a mob spawns, that character is considered a tracker for the duration of that mob's lifespan.


Aftermath now have the opportunity to do what Awakened didn't do, and take this ban with good grace. However, this thread is full of nothing but bad jimmies and finger-pointing.
Accept the mistake, take a timeout for 10 days and come back next cycle ready to smash some incredibly old raid content.

[skarlorn]

Try to track and then FTE some pussy this weekend, Aftermath.

No failure in real life can diminish the shame you should feel about yourself, for being a part of this incident



Posted at 2:51 AM.

Have a great night in prison big Japan!!!

[khanable]

If a character is past the FTE line when a mob spawns, that character is considered a tracker for the duration of that mob's lifespan.

This is more or less where I'm at. Having a tracker move to the FTE line and become an FTEr prior to the mob spawning seems perfectly valid and no longer makes them the tracker as long they are not passed the starting line at time of spawn. However, once the mob has spawned, the person tracking at the time of spawn is now considered the tracker until the mob is dead, regardless of them zoning, camping, starting from the line, whatever.

Though I do think (read: imo) it's pretty silly to petition a guild for something that has 0 impact on you. Would be another story if it was CSG petitioning..

[Gimp]

Awakened's tracker got FTE on naggy.
The tracker camped out and Naggy stayed up for 30 more minutes until they killed him.

Yeah, that's not what happened.

Guy logs in his naggy/vox alt in lair (break #1), sets off YT when he loads in (break #2), then they tried to play the "that was an accident, we didn't know you couldn't do that defense. Plus, Naggy was contested, this Doze wasn't. The two situations couldn't be more different.

[Pokesan]

please no cringey soulfire spam AM

[Raev]

Is your argument that Awakened's tracker should have zoned out to lavastorm, zoned back in, and somehow the Tracker FTE would be "cleared"? (no, that sounds absurd)

It seems to me like there is a huge difference between having a tracker get FTE and having a tracker zone out, become a racer, and get FTE.

[Raev]

also still waiting for A/A to realize that spending this much time on FTE/tracking on a server that will never reach luclin is pretty insane

[FatMice]

also still waiting for A/A to realize that spending this much time on FTE/tracking on a server that will never reach luclin is pretty insane

[Endorra]

this is like asking a room full of kindergarteners who shit on the floor

Lost it here. A+

[Kushie]

FTE is dumber than Detoxx

[Spyder73]

we get new details every 4th or 5th post

this is like asking a room full of kindergarteners who shit on the floor

This comment needs to be getting more attention.

FTE is dumber than Detoxx

This user needs more Krono to buy Fungi Tunics and T Staffs – Seriously Kushie you are the worst, a true cuck through and through.

As for the suspension – frankly you’re retarded if you care. The server isn’t going anywhere. Sadly the same set of neck beards will be hording all the loot no matter what rules are put in place so the point is moot. EQ is all about exclusion and schadenfruede, sh!ts classic

[Bruno]

Cats on the moon releasing next week on Phinny. 10 days is plenty of time to catch up. Just sayin'.

PST for buffs.

[khysanth]

are you in your 30s?

do you have a job?

how about a wife or significant other / friends?

want to experience EQ content without having to "compete" (lol) by tracking and poopsocking for 16 hours?

consider phinny

[Bruno]

are you in your 30s?

do you have a job?

how about a wife or significant other / friends?

want to experience EQ content without having to "compete" (lol) by tracking and poopsocking for 16 hours?

consider phinny

If no to most of those questions, AoS is a pretty competitive guild on that server. They basically dominate most of the open world content. Not quite at the neckbeard/poopsock levels that are reached here, but you can still destroy your real life there if necessary.

[bktroost]

Though I do think (read: imo) it's pretty silly to petition a guild for something that has 0 impact on you. Would be another story if it was CSG petitioning..

doesn't really help us to petition anyone in this scenario. AM will work with us on dividing mobs so no one has to track and deal with poopsocking for 10 days. The only one that benefits here is Awakened.

[Tasslehofp99]

I'm unaware of this. Currently at a Don Henley concert, I can back to you between Hotel California and Witchy Woman.

I don't know why but this made me lol

[skarlorn]

doesn't really help us to petition anyone in this scenario. AM will work with us on dividing mobs so no one has to track and deal with poopsocking for 10 days. The only one that benefits here is Awakened.

it alaways helps to petition

Trust me, i'm best friends with all the GMs

[Kushie]

are you in your 30s? Yes

do you have a job?Yes

how about a wife or significant other / friends? Yes

want to experience EQ content without having to "compete" (lol) by tracking and poopsocking for 16 hours? Yes

consider phinny

http://i.giphy.com/YmmE9V8roaMAU.gif

[Nyrod]

what a fucking headache, so glad that when we want a mob, we just go take it, on our time. no fte, no tracking, no variance. how you guys put up with that shit i dont know.

Apex Guild (http://apexr99.wordpress.com)

[Flux]

Yeah, that's not what happened.

Guy logs in his naggy/vox alt in lair (break #1), sets off YT when he loads in (break #2), then they tried to play the "that was an accident, we didn't know you couldn't do that defense. Plus, Naggy was contested, this Doze wasn't. The two situations couldn't be more different.

This is just trying to turn a black and white issue into a grey issue.

In both instances, a character designated to tracking a certain mob ended up with Yellow Text for that mob, thus disqualifying their respective guilds from that encounter.

Any other details are just RNF filler.

[Fragged]

This is just trying to turn a black and white issue into a grey issue.

In both instances, a character designated to tracking a certain mob ended up with Yellow Text for that mob, thus disqualifying their respective guilds from that encounter.

Any other details are just RNF filler.

Except AM dident get FTE until after the tracker went to freeport and maxed his pottery, then he went and killed Emperor Crush, and only after a short fishing trip in Lake of Ill Omen he went back got a sow and zoned back in and RAN FROM THE ZONE LINE TO THE MOB AND GOT FTE.

[Fragged]

Oh and, the mob was conceded.. With no other guilds in the zome but AM.

[bktroost]

Oh and, the mob was conceded.. With no other guilds in the zome but AM.

And a CSG watching and a raid force otw.

[skarlorn]

Don't break the law and you wont go to elf prison. Clearly, AM leadership is fucking retarded

[Gimp]

This is just trying to turn a black and white issue into a grey issue.

In both instances, a character designated to tracking a certain mob ended up with Yellow Text for that mob, thus disqualifying their respective guilds from that encounter.

Any other details are just RNF filler.

[4/19/2016 1:18:56 AM] sirken eLanti .: if no one is contesting anything that you guys are fine
[4/19/2016 1:20:08 AM] sirken eLanti .: the rule exists to give all guilds a fair shot. if your guild is the only guild contesting, then it really doesnt matter. its kinda like how faydedar was, in the sense that if no other guild was there to contest, you were allowed to kite him around until you were ready to kill. but as soon as another guild shows up to contest, then its no longer ok

[Gimp]

Rule = No kiting mob after YT

Grey area = Kiting is fine if nobody else is contesting.

Every rule on this server has, and always will have grey areas just because of the nature of the meta game here. To say/think otherwise is being intentionally daft.

[Signal]

And a CSG watching and a raid force otw.

Like he said. No one contesting.

[Signal]

Don't break the law and you wont go to elf prison. Clearly, AM leadership is fucking retarded

A couple of them are retarded. They came over from Asgard. They cause drama over HoT drops and Hate minis. It is ridiculous.

[kotton05]

And a CSG watching and a raid force otw.

...just give up now plz. yall scum tried to call tracker fte on gore. i can't take you serious.

[Susano]

A couple of them are retarded. They came over from Asgard. They cause drama over HoT drops and Hate minis. It is ridiculous.

This is what happens when a lot of the talent leaves and more and more warm bodies have to fill the gap. The problem will only get worse. The rules on this server are so convoluted because at one time there were some crafty motherfuckers jumping through loopholes. Now most of the people running the show are just average Joe's hamfisting their way through all this red tape.

This server will eventually have GM enforced rotations in the form of bi weekly raid suspensions for the two top guilds.

[kotton05]

A couple of them are retarded. They came over from Asgard. They cause drama over HoT drops and Hate minis. It is ridiculous.

but their 6th alt doesnt have a mage epic yet!

[JurisDictum]

A couple of them are retarded. They came over from Asgard. They cause drama over HoT drops and Hate minis. It is ridiculous.

I'm on a break and I really don't think ill ever play this server again. But speaking as someone that used to give a shit, don't air your guilds dirty laundry in RnF you fucking idiot.

That's all.

[bktroost]

...just give up now plz. yall scum tried to call tracker fte on gore. i can't take you serious.

Merkk, you used to be my favorite iksar /tear

[Signal]

I'm on a break and I really don't think ill ever play this server again. But speaking as someone that used to give a shit, don't air your guilds dirty laundry in RnF you fucking idiot.

That's all.

I'm not in the guild. Left it over the drama I witnessed and mentioned.

[Zekayy]

This really doesn't affect me as I'm not currently playing as is, too busy enjoying having a life and spending it with my family p99 isn't going anywhere it will always be here.

[Izmael]

When two guilds contest a spawn, both guilds should just name their Champion, and they would duke it out in a /duel.

Winner's guild gets the spawn. No CSR required, no suspensions, no drama.

[AzzarTheGod]

When two guilds contest a spawn, both guilds should just name their Champion, and they would duke it out in a /duel.

Winner's guild gets the spawn. No CSR required, no suspensions, no drama.

uthgaard style I like it.

[raato]

It is rather funny that AM eats 10d ban from something that clearly was not illegal tracker FTE. And in other hand CSG arent allowed to concede illegal "tracker" FTE on Telk (which was btw trained on our guy at PoM orb) and are forced to suffer the 1 hour FTE timer on repop night and Awakened is allowed to KS LTK that was supposedly CSGs FTE timer after we conceded illegal tracker FTE on Telk.

I guess rules are meant to be read like devil reads the bible.

TBH, as casual, I rather enjoy the company I play with more than the pixels. I do not care if we lose raid boss because we play bad or if we lose because we don't care enough to stare the wall. But I do care if we lose raid bosses because some dicks like to take the system and turn it around and proceed to penetrate its asshole without lube, and instead of system fighting back the abuse it actually seems to enjoy it.

Good job everyone involved. You are exactly what is wrong with humanity.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Word on the street is <Aftermath> are docking dkp for RNF posting.

Two things of interest here:

1) They actually care what is said on RNF.
2) Something something like <Awakened>

http://i.imgur.com/EDv5VVB.jpg

[xKoopa]

Word on the street is <Aftermath> are docking dkp for RNF posting.

Two things of interest here:

1) They actually care what is said on RNF.
2) Something something like <Awakened>

http://i.imgur.com/EDv5VVB.jpg

I checked forums and didnt see anything about no rnf

[Sodors Finest Poster]

I checked forums and didnt see anything about no rnf

http://i.imgur.com/Pbd9un3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ydQmxWA.jpg

[Spyder73]

Word on the street is <Aftermath> are docking dkp for RNF posting.

If this was true I would be negative DKP…turns out I am still quite rich in dragon coin

[Sodors Finest Poster]

If this was true I would be negative DKP…turns out I am still quite rich in dragon coin

Its ok.

You will lose Detoxx Bux but I'll award you Sodor Pounds for your excellent RNF posting services.

[xKoopa]

http://i.imgur.com/Pbd9un3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ydQmxWA.jpg

Oh ok

I dont ever log in so no idea what happens in game anymore

[Ravager]

Raiding on blue is still shit. Nothing to see here.

[BallzDeep]

Wonder when the Gimp comments will start.

[Gimp]

Your infatuation with me is so cute

[BallzDeep]

My infatuation is about your infatuation about the RnF ban and how I knew you would only make a comment when it beneficial to AM. It's funny to watch you eat your words.

[khanable]

whatever you guys are talking about is stupid

[Heebo]

When two guilds contest a spawn, both guilds should just name their Champion, and they would duke it out in a /duel.

Winner's guild gets the spawn. No CSR required, no suspensions, no drama.

Love when these bluebies realize PvP is the answer to all their problems then go straight back to staring at a wall for 16 hours

[Fifield]

and you guys still play here...

[skarlorn]

Great detective work Sodor. I'm nominating you for the Fire Giant Bravery Award

[kotton05]

http://i.imgur.com/Pbd9un3.jpg


no posting in rnf... what kind of rule is that. rnf used to be the weekly update where you could just let it all go. now its just butt hurts doing underhanded shit talking in guild threads.

still waiting on AM to petition that train doe.

[Gimp]

Gimp is on a Swish-level of patheticness.

I wish he'd post more GIFs so he could elevate his forum status and have some substance to his post.

Also, it's cute how much AM dick Gimp gobbles.

Gobble Gobble Gobble

Gimpsessed

Seems to be a few of you these days. Who's leader of the fam club?

[Deji]

When two guilds contest a spawn, both guilds should just name their Champion, and they would duke it out in a /duel.

Winner's guild gets the spawn. No CSR required, no suspensions, no drama.

We have a winner.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

So when you get all that loot , what do you do with it? Sit in EC for people to inspect and marvel at you?

Seriously....

[paulgiamatti]

There's this whole thing called playing and enjoying the PvE game - you know, the thing it was primarily designed for.

[AzzarTheGod]

So when you get all that loot , what do you do with it? Sit in EC for people to inspect and marvel at you?

Seriously....

My bros red as Fuck. My bitch red as fuck.

They get the loot and go oooo lalala in the tunnel. They ain't neva pay the Iron Price for nada.

Ask what I feel? Nada. Give a bitch yellow fever with these gold bottles (red lifestyle)

[paulgiamatti]

Man, blue RnF might actually be readable if you braindead red server wastes of oxygen didn't post here.

[skarlorn]

Man, blue RnF might actually be readable if you braindead red server wastes of oxygen didn't post here.

>can't parse poetry
>takes RNF seriously
>calls other people braindead

[botrainer]

Proposal to bring windows back together
In an effort to bring timers closers together, Aftermath would like to propose a one week, your FTE your mob. Starting Monday at midnight EST till midnight est Saturday, if your guild gets an FTE on a raid mob, you get claim to it. On Saturday all mobs that have been FTE'ed throughout the week will be killed in an effort to bring windows back together to give all guilds a better shot at getting mobs and most of all reduce the burden of tracking 24/7.

It's apparent we won't be getting any hard resets any time soon so taking it upon the community to fix it is the best chance we have. Contrary to popular belief, we here do have lives and do not want to continue tracking 5/7 days a week.

Thoughts?

Detoxx posted this...the top 2 guilds created this server to be like this, rather than work together on a common and reasonable 4 guild rotation (once a week rotate zones for raid targets) you made it a foot race, 24/7 tracking effort to be "the best of the best". Detoxx and every member of the high-end uber loser dry humper guilds supported and created this mess. Im glad he is seeing the error of his ways, sadly not enough players have. There should be a rotation of the high end zones to allow guilds to do a crawl on a weekend at a set time which would do a way with the need for hardcore socking. It's easier to get attendance when raid mobs are already up and primed for the kill.

[skarlorn]

Proposal to bring windows back together
In an effort to bring timers closers together, Aftermath would like to propose a one week, your FTE your mob. Starting Monday at midnight EST till midnight est Saturday, if your guild gets an FTE on a raid mob, you get claim to it. On Saturday all mobs that have been FTE'ed throughout the week will be killed in an effort to bring windows back together to give all guilds a better shot at getting mobs and most of all reduce the burden of tracking 24/7.

It's apparent we won't be getting any hard resets any time soon so taking it upon the community to fix it is the best chance we have. Contrary to popular belief, we here do have lives and do not want to continue tracking 5/7 days a week.

Thoughts?

Detoxx posted this...the top 2 guilds created this server to be like this, rather than work together on a common and reasonable 4 guild rotation (once a week rotate zones for raid targets) you made it a foot race, 24/7 tracking effort to be "the best of the best". Detoxx and every member of the high-end uber loser dry humper guilds supported and created this mess. Im glad he is seeing the error of his ways, sadly not enough players have. There should be a rotation of the high end zones to allow guilds to do a crawl on a weekend at a set time which would do a way with the need for hardcore socking. It's easier to get attendance when raid mobs are already up and primed for the kill.
I don't read text walls from ppl who had to go through four raid guilds and two expansions to get his mage epic

[ridiculousmoose]

So when you get all that loot , what do you do with it? Sit in EC for people to inspect and marvel at you?

Seriously....

sad attempt at troll

[Ravager]

The only things that can fix the shit raiding here are linked respawns, more frequent spawns with lower drop rates, or a rotation. The better half of a decade has shown that player made agreements don't ever work and that the devs aren't about to change any mechanics, so the solution is stop arguing about this shit and step in the golden shower of a raid scene here or go somewhere else where you don't feel like someone else is wiping their ass with your time.

[Kodim]

Ring war, VP, Tunare, and Trakanon all rotated. ST used to be.

It works, when it wants to.

[skarlorn]

The only things that can fix the shit raiding here are linked respawns, more frequent spawns with lower drop rates, or a rotation. The better half of a decade has shown that player made agreements don't ever work and that the devs aren't about to change any mechanics, so the solution is stop arguing about this shit and step in the golden shower of a raid scene here or go somewhere else where you don't feel like someone else is wiping their ass with your time.

Another alternative: stop raiding.

Do u feels me nurga

[ZiggyTheMuss]

what a fucking headache, so glad that when we want a mob, we just go take it, on our time. no fte, no tracking, no variance. how you guys put up with that shit i dont know.

Apex Guild (http://apexr99.wordpress.com)

Yet red is so boring and desolate that you feel the need to come sully our forums! Honestly I just refuse to raid anything where there is a window over an hour. I agree with you, I don't know how they put up with it either. Must be a sad life.

[botrainer]

I don't read text walls from ppl who had to go through four raid guilds and two expansions to get his mage epic

The driving force behind leaving any guild is when it turns into the shit fest I didn't sign up for. To help correct the record(for those who dont know), I didn't start playing here until well after Kunark was out. started: Sunday, August 12, 2012 13:03 hours just over 4 years. This date coming from the first toon I ever created on the server doesn't mean I was active by any means.

It wasn't because I had to go through four guilds as well. Each guild turn into something I didn't want from...A FREE ONLINE GAME(OMG SHOCKER!).

TMO was my first exposure of the shit show, didnt know what I was getting into (On top of that they gave epics to alts of players who never played them but in chardok aoe groups) then turned into Forsaken then Aftermath.

Asgard; went from causal into what's now known as Aftermath.

Taken; turned into whats now known as Awakened.

My statement has held true each time. I was always clear upon joining, I don't want hardcore, i don't want endless batphones, I don't want the shit fest that is the "High end raiding" that's on this server. If you felt I was trying to hide that fact I'm sorry I didn't make it anymore clear when I said it.

The raiding and all it's raid rules on this server are not classic, the lawyer questing on this server is not classic, the endless amount of cheaters who re-offend near 3 to 5 times a year never get suspended any longer then a few days, the guild see's a 1 week suspension from raiding and they are back on it, again. All those signs are what's unhealthy about this server. Bottom line is this. Cheaters keep cheating, get busted, always come back. The high end raiding on this server is terrible and only made worse by the 2 top end guilds. So, for me as a player, I want more out of the game than what the "high end raiding" has to offer. Sorry to disappoint, but feel free to mock away. Only goes to show how much of a shmuch you are.

[skarlorn]

The driving force behind leaving any guild is when it turns into the shit fest I didn't sign up for. To help correct the record(for those who dont know), I didn't start playing here until well after Kunark was out. started: Sunday, August 12, 2012 13:03 hours just over 4 years. This date coming from the first toon I ever created on the server doesn't mean I was active by any means.

It wasn't because I had to go through four guilds as well. Each guild turn into something I didn't want from...A FREE ONLINE GAME(OMG SHOCKER!).

TMO was my first exposure of the shit show, didnt know what I was getting into (On top of that they gave epics to alts of players who never played them but in chardok aoe groups) then turned into Forsaken then Aftermath.

Asgard; went from causal into what's now known as Aftermath.

Taken; turned into whats now known as Awakened.

My statement has held true each time. I was always clear upon joining, I don't want hardcore, i don't want endless batphones, I don't want the shit fest that is the "High end raiding" that's on this server. If you felt I was trying to hide that fact I'm sorry I didn't make it anymore clear when I said it.

The raiding and all it's raid rules on this server are not classic, the lawyer questing on this server is not classic, the endless amount of cheaters who re-offend near 3 to 5 times a year never get suspended any longer then a few days, the guild see's a 1 week suspension from raiding and they are back on it, again. All those signs are what's unhealthy about this server. Bottom line is this. Cheaters keep cheating, get busted, always come back. The high end raiding on this server is terrible and only made worse by the 2 top end guilds. So, for me as a player, I want more out of the game than what the "high end raiding" has to offer. Sorry to disappoint, but feel free to mock away. Only goes to show how much of a shmuch you are.

http://i.imgur.com/pZA8uyc.jpg

once again, did not read!

thanks for trying.

[arsenalpow]

Botrainer was kicked from BDA for being a psychopath. He was mad that someone slightly undercut his ring of the ancients price so he went to rathe mountains and killed Hasten to teach that undercutter a lesson.

[khanable]

botrainer did make some nice pathing nodes tho

[maskedmelon]

So when you get all that loot , what do you do with it? Sit in EC for people to inspect and marvel at you?

Seriously....

I go kill Da'Vinn every time I get a new piece of loot. Let that blue bastard know he can't just walk all over young adventurers, 'cause one day, the gonna be somethin' and then they be comin' back to whoop that blue ass. Again, and again, and again....

[Eponymous Anonymous]

My statement has held true each time. I was always clear upon joining, I don't want hardcore, i don't want endless batphones, I don't want the shit fest that is the "High end raiding" that's on this server. If you felt I was trying to hide that fact I'm sorry I didn't make it anymore clear when I said it.


You sure didn't have a problem ringing that batphone nonstop all day for hate minis.

[paulgiamatti]

Ohh shit called OUT

[khanable]

You sure didn't have a problem ringing that batphone nonstop all day for hate minis.

dayyyyym

[Pokesan]

Botrainer was kicked from BDA for being a psychopath. He was mad that someone slightly undercut his ring of the ancients price so he went to rathe mountains and killed Hasten to teach that undercutter a lesson.

LOL this is too good to be real

[khysanth]

Another alternative: consider phinny.

Do u feels me nurga

ftfy

[Rygar]

When two guilds contest a spawn, both guilds should just name their Champion, and they would duke it out in a /duel.

Winner's guild gets the spawn. No CSR required, no suspensions, no drama.

I'm not sure if you thought this through, but I think it will lead to more drama and grey area. I could see it now... They used an illegal clickie! Their guild spammed innate clicks to lag me out! He /q'd and cried LD so we would have to re-duel! Not to mention that the barrier to entry is tough for up and coming guild to get a shot when they have to fight someone with BiS all over the place.

A good idea at first, but tons of loop holes for the same shady shit that goes on.

[Rygar]

Innate = insta. Damn phone

[Nibblewitz]

I'm not sure if you thought this through, but I think it will lead to more drama and grey area. I could see it now... They used an illegal clickie! Their guild spammed innate clicks to lag me out! He /q'd and cried LD so we would have to re-duel!

Yep. You belong here.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Man, blue RnF might actually be readable if you braindead red server wastes of oxygen didn't post here.

^^^Angry cause he can't sit in the tunnel and have people marvel at his pixels he waited in line for 16 hours to attain.

Sorry I told it how it is

[Pokesan]

the dueling idea is good because it reflects what EQ devs intended the game to be about - PvP

[Tuurin]

the dueling idea is good because it reflects what EQ devs intended the game to be about - PvP


From an interview of Brad McQuaid regarding the design origins of Everquest: (link (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?game=9&feature=5971))

MMORPG.com: Ultima Online launched within 2 years of EverQuest - did Origin's release influence your design choices, and conversely did it give you any cues as not what to do?

Brad McQuaid: Absolutely. First, it gave us confidence that an MMORPG could be commercially viable. It also reinforced our belief that unrestricted PvP was a bad thing. We'd played PvP MUDs in the past and were not fans of them. The wanton PvP in UO confirmed for us that we wanted to make a primarily PvE game.

[botrainer]

You sure didn't have a problem ringing that batphone nonstop all day for hate minis.

:eek::eek:So using a hardcore batphone while IN a hardcore guild...shocker!
:eek::eek:

...shit I'm there, I didnt sign up to join, I was already a member. I maybe sent out 4 to 6 total over a 8 month span and never once got enough to go up. There was 3 other non mage epiced mages at that time..be reasonable to think they could have sent out some too...since one of them did get their epic (and referring to your post i would have gotten that epic and not Redstars(awakened mage) if i was nonstop all day ringing that batphone). Clearly i wasn't batphoning as often as one might think. as shown below that staff came later and from a good crew of folks who enjoy the game not the lawyer questing :p

http://imgur.com/a/QD5RH

:D:p:D:p:D

[Eponymous Anonymous]

So using a hardcore batphone while IN a hardcore guild...shocker!

...shit I'm there, I didnt sign up to join, I was already a member. I maybe sent out 4 to 6 total over a 8 month span and never once got enough to go up. There was 3 other non mage epiced mages at that time..be reasonable to think they could have sent out some too...since one of them did get their epic (and referring to your post i would have gotten that epic and not Redstars(awakened mage) if i was nonstop all day ringing that batphone). Clearly i wasn't batphoning as often as one might think. as shown below that staff came later and from a good crew of folks who enjoy the game not the lawyer questing :p

http://imgur.com/a/QD5RH

:D:p:D:p:D

I'm glad you finally got a guild to put up with you long enough to get your staff, congrats. You had a choice when Awakened was formed to refuse the guild invite and go to a casual guild. You knew we were a hardcore raid guild before you clicked yes on each and every one of your characters, unless you really are a complete idiot. You left in a fit because you realized we had other things to do besides go to Hate for you every 8 hours.

:rolleyes::eek::rolleyes::eek:

[botrainer]

Thought I'd give it a chance, leadership said we(awakened) didnt need to be hardcore, it was understood its not required to be hardcore, then it turned hardcore, adding cert alts winning over mains, needing min RA to win on DKP biding bah bah bah weekly loot changes to ensure the hardcores could gear up 2 or 3 toons at once.

If you wanted your epic, or help with exping, how Awakened replies is pay for epic MQ, pay for chardok AOE and not actually play the char. Got old.

[Breaken]

10% Raid Attendance has always been required in Awakened. It was also required in Taken.

The term "required" is not even correct because you can still bid on many items with under 10% Raid Attendance. We have an extensive loot policy that does allow some.. next to best.. BIS items go to your 2nd Main. No BiS items though.

Check us out, www.awakenedguild.com. We are currently raiding.

[AzzarTheGod]

the dueling idea is good because it reflects what EQ devs intended the game to be about - PvP

Just found it odd that a bullshit duel suggestion in RNF, and follow-up mock-support post for duels to solve problems, was purged from the thread.

I don't see the angle. I guess they don't want the suggestion to gain any traction at all (as if it would gain traction), or uthgaard's name needs a trigger warning...

Real head-scratcher though either way.