FYI

[citizen1080]

Just a heads up that Sommoner and Susanne are both scammers. Just took me for 20k. Fucking douchebags

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c321/ronin1080/scam3.png

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c321/ronin1080/scam2.png

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c321/ronin1080/scam1.png

[Orov]

Sucks bro =/

[tj218]

Just a heads up that Sommoner and Susanne are both scammers. Just took me for 20k. Fucking douchebags

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c321/ronin1080/scam3.png

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c321/ronin1080/scam2.png

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c321/ronin1080/scam1.png

I thought WinEQ was taboo on P99....

Bob cheating?

[citizen1080]

MQ is taboo..wineq just make it not run like shit on new processors

[Orov]

Unrelated note: Couldn't get wineq to work for me.

[Tippett]

Lynch the douche.... No one screws with our Bob !!!

[Kavanah]

Susane or Sussane?

[Alawen Everywhere]

Sorry you got jacked but it was kind of a fun read even with the tiny text.

[citizen1080]

Susane or Sussane?

The one running the casino

[Kavanah]

The one running the casino

Ah I got some screenshots to show you!!!

I figured out what was wrong with my screenshots folder finally!

[mipstien]

why would people do something like this on a server with soooo few people?

[Fourthmeal]

Scammers gonna scam

[Anderdale]

why oh why did you give him the PP first bob. of anyone on this server you should never have to go first. you have a flawless track record. I am sorry for your loss man, Sommoner was trying to get me to buy his account also for 30k. when he told me to give his friend the PP first then he would give me the info i quit answering his tells.

[citizen1080]

You sir are smarter than I...the part that really pissed me off..tho i just laughed when he did it..is he put the 20k in trade and then just ran off taking advantage of the trade/weight bug. And being the overweight bastard that I am..my 13k lb mass could not run after =(

[M.Bison]

WTB screenshot of bobs 13k WT

[citizen1080]

k only...11,812lbs atm...my bad =p

[Mardur]

Weird, my client never shows me going above 1800 no matter what I add on after.

[rugerx]

Considering the fact that Rogean and crew have this down to the most minute transaction being grabbed by the database, you can sit and stand, and they will know it. Open your spellbook and close it, they will know it.

You can 2box and they can sort by field and row and see that you actually never controlled both characters at the same time via query, this is database finesse at its finest, and this jackwad thinks they can pull this?

In this case a refund to the bob syndicate, and massive application of the ban hammer is warranted.

Sorry it happened bob, you seem like a good chap.

[citizen1080]

Considering the fact that Rogean and crew have this down to the most minute transaction being grabbed by the database, you can sit and stand, and they will know it. Open your spellbook and close it, they will know it.

You can 2box and they can sort by field and row and see that you actually never controlled both characters at the same time via query, this is database finesse at its finest, and this jackwad thinks they can pull this?

In this case a refund to the bob syndicate, and massive application of the ban hammer is warranted.

Sorry it happened bob, you seem like a good chap.

Thank you sir I appreciate the support =)


For an update to this whole shitstorm....Fearshade is also sommoner...multiple people have him admitting this in their logs and fearshade was also trying to sell the same mage to another person to scam them.

He also admitted to spending my 20k that he stole from me in say in front of half the tunnel...I dont understand why he thinks nothing can be done to him by the staff.




Please don't take this thread as whining..I am just trying to save the rest of you from getting shit on like me.

[Kavanah]

Thank you sir I appreciate the support =)


For an update to this whole shitstorm....Fearshade is also sommoner...multiple people have him admitting this in their logs and fearshade was also trying to sell the same mage to another person to scam them.


Please don't take this thread as whining..I am just trying to save the rest of you from getting shit on like me.

Thus I got fearshade to bet his GEBS and promptly turned them into Bob! MWAHAHA!!

DONT MESS WITH MY FRIEND!

[Curmudgen]

I like the term Jackwaggon

[Mardur]

Interesting, pretty sure Fearshade was the naked necro at EC tunnel a couple days ago saying he just started on this server begging for hand outs.

[citizen1080]

Interesting, pretty sure Fearshade was the naked necro at EC tunnel a couple days ago saying he just started on this server begging for hand outs.

And the plot thickens...

[Kavanah]

And the plot thickens...

Well he is also the Leader of Venom's sister guild, Poison? Pycoba is a friend of mine, waiting to talk to him about Fearshade. Pycoba is pretty loaded with money too, though I don't think he knows whats going on with this guy.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

BUM BUM BUUUUUUM!

[Kavanah]

Kavanah <3's bob tag. Rofl.

I <3 bob.

[senna]

I think kavanah is ovulating bob, get'r'done.

[Uthgaard]

Considering the fact that Rogean and crew have this down to the most minute transaction being grabbed by the database, you can sit and stand, and they will know it. Open your spellbook and close it, they will know it.

http://i52.tinypic.com/accqic.jpg

Play with your mushroom, and we will know it.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

*bows down to those we serve*

[Slade_the_Slide]

Wait so Fearshade is the scammer O_o

I was there during the creation of <Poison> seems awfully interesting here.

[karsten]

stop playing with your mushroom

[Anderdale]

has this been taken care of yet Bob?

[Alawen Everywhere]

If you play with your mushroom too much, it will cry.

[citizen1080]

So quick update for those still following this.

Susane logged in today and explained that he was not in on the scam, he did screw up by giving the money to the seller before I said he could, kinda missed the point of being a middle man...but anyways he gave me 5k out of his pocket and I have it on good authority that he gave my money to the scammer already so he wasn't just giving me some of my own money back, it was a nice gesture.

As far as the scammer goes I am not sure what the status on him is but I know he scammed me and at least one other guy on the mage, and screwed someone over on a Jboot MQ.

Till this blows over I am willing to escrow jboots for free...so buyer can give me the funds and I will pay out the seller once the buyer has his jboots.

[Cars]

and thats about as classy a move as you will see on P99 folks.

/cheer to Bob

[ownrage]

I would like to chime in and let you guys know I'm the guy that got scammed by Sommoner out of the jboots...his Alt, Fearshade, sold it to me for 5k i gave it to his main Sommoner and he said he'd go farm shadowed rapier...then stopped responding to tells on both alt and main.

Scammed me outta my 5k...ARGGG

I WANT My JBOOTS!

I HOPE YOU DIE SOMMONER OVER AND OVER AGAIN IPBAN PLZ

[Baa]

Think Fearshade is trying to jump chars now anyway.

He was in the tunnel trying to trade all his gear for a full SK set! He can run but he can't hide!

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Anyone else surprised he's even been able to log back on? Can't you see him playing with his mushroom mods? Maybe hang up some wanted posters in Freeport or something, get the server population in on the chase... I'm gonna go roll "Dogthebounty Hunter" and let you know when I've leveled him to 50.

[Airdefier]

lulz. new sig

[Nuggie]

*waiting to cheer till I see the ban, till then I await anxiously*

[citizen1080]

This wasn't really a flame...more of a public service announcement but whatever =p

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

more of a public service announcement

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[Uberom]

So, Bob needed a broker.

[Tiggles]

So, Bob needed a broker.

Bob takes the risk so the customer does not need too

So fuck you


also scammers should be banned

[citizen1080]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c321/ronin1080/Sommoner.png


People need to petition this fuck till he is gone. He is back in the tunnel trying to scam people with his mage. And when i call him out on it and warn people in the tunnel he admits to doing it and then sends me a tell saying he will continue to scam and no one is going to do shit about it.

[Arescorp]

LOL Okay, I have to admit, all this complaining and flaming is very enjoyable to read, especially when its about me.. Who says im running? who says im hideing? im still here mother fuckers, lets do this.

[Extunarian]

in the pic you blocked out names in tells received...did not block out names when replying to tells. This reeks of a breach of the 14th amendment.

[citizen1080]

Rush job..nothing sensitive in there however =)


Problem Solved, he won't bother anyone again. Thanks for the fun Arescorp!

[AexDestroy]

Rush job..nothing sensitive in there however =)


Problem Solved, he won't bother anyone again. Thanks for the fun Arescorp!

Wait what problem is solved?.....

[Ripcord]

Arescorp
Banned

haha

[BobSmith]

Rush job..nothing sensitive in there however =)


Problem Solved, he won't bother anyone again. Thanks for the fun Arescorp!

So, since he admitted it and all that, did the GM's put the money back on your character or anything?

[citizen1080]

No, they do not refund lost pp or items. I was told to not trust people with my money. Thankfully between kavanah scamming the scammer outta gebs and giving them to me and susane giving me 5k im only out about 7kpp after all is said and done. Thanks to everyone who helped track him and his various alts down. And thanks to kavanah for the gebs!

[Lazortag]

http://i52.tinypic.com/accqic.jpg

Play with your mushroom, and we will know it.

Hilariously, I didn't see this post until now. I was wondering why random people in game were telling me to stop playing with my mushroom. Great screenshot, totally appropriate for this thread.

[Badmartigan]

Btw if anyone is i'n need of jboots mq I do about 1mq a day.. I camp the ring around the clock...and I an more than happy to work with bob on this as well..

Also glad to see a resolution to this issue i'n that bob got most his cash back.

Cheers

[Slathar]

Cool man. You CLEARLY need the cash more than anyone else on the server needs Jboots.....really, you do.

he mad that he po'

[bizzum]

LOL Okay, I have to admit, all this complaining and flaming is very enjoyable to read, especially when its about me.. Who says im running? who says im hideing? im still here mother fuckers, lets do this.

i lol`d irl when i saw banned under his forum name.

also, i thought this post was about scammers, not monopolizing AC.

Then again I skipped pages 1-4...

[Badmartigan]

Cool man. You CLEARLY need the cash more than anyone else on the server needs Jboots.....really, you do.

Yes, I do need it.. And I want it as well.. I provide a service... Sometimes camping the AC can run 10+ hours...just like Bob, the casinos, or anyone that farms anything that the population desires!!

5.5k w/o rapier or 6k and I camp the rapier is payment for my time spent... Not 1 person has been unhappy with their purchase....infact my customers are always extremely ecstatic to receive their jboots(remember not everyone is capable of camping this as well)

I hope this clears things up for you.

[YendorLootmonkey]

(remember not everyone is capable of camping this as well)

.... uh.... yeah... because you're camping one of the AC ring sources round the clock.... ;)

[Omnimorph]

Really? a tag in chinese?

And yeah, if you want to camp the AC you have to put time in it. So sitting for x hours until the person infront of you gets it is part of it. Whether it's someone camping the ring for themselves or to sell, they can only get one so you can have it after them.

Also alot of people can make 5k farming seafuries quicker than it might take them to get the ring, so i have no problem with it.

[sero]

lol, Badmartigan has got to be the biggest douche on the server

[Mardur]

So Badmartigan is a douche because he camps jboots for profit? If I'm camping the FBSS and you want one does that make me a douche too?

[sero]

Yeah, camping JBoots every single day for ~10 hours a day for profit is douche behavior. Why is this hard for you to understand?

[Harrison]

FBSS isn't nodrop.

[quellren]

So Badmartigan is a douche because he camps jboots for profit? If I'm camping the FBSS and you want one does that make me a douche too?
It would if you did it 'round the clock' (as he so proudly pointed out) and effectively locked down the market of an item entering the economy.

[Mardur]

FBSS isn't nodrop.

So? Neither is the shadow rapier or money, so you're able to sell jboots just as easily as an FBSS.

It would if you did it 'round the clock' (as he so proudly pointed out) and effectively locked down the market of an item entering the economy.

This is ridiculous. Some dude is a douche because he spends a lot of time playing EQ to make money? In your eyes, after how many hours of EQ should we log off before we become douchebags like our friend here Badmartigan?

[sero]

Some dude is a douche because he spends a lot of time playing EQ to make money?

"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[Mardur]

So it doesn't matter how long someone plays EQ, as long as they play by your specifications?

[sero]

So it doesn't matter how long someone plays EQ, as long as they play by your specifications?

"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[sero]

I can do this all day.

[Evilbob]

You guys are getting a little off topic.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Can players who are equipped with a poopsock as large as yours get in line for the next drop? or is the spawn just yours forever? Thats the issue here.

[Tumdumm]

Can players who are equipped with a poopsock as large as yours get in line for the next drop? or is the spawn just yours forever? Thats the issue here.

well he's gotta run and hand in the multiquest at some point right?

[YendorLootmonkey]

So, some enterprising young doctor should just poopsock Hasten 24/7, killing him until Brother Z spawns. And charge Badmartigan and his customer (and anyone else) 5k to let them MQ the next Hasten spawn before he's engaged again. That shouldn't be considered douchebaggy -- I mean, it's all about making money however one wants, right?

[rugerx]

So, some enterprising young doctor should just poopsock Hasten 24/7, killing him until Brother Z spawns. And charge Badmartigan and his customer (and anyone else) 5k to let them MQ the next Hasten spawn before he's engaged again. That shouldn't be considered douchebaggy -- I mean, it's all about making money however one wants, right?

Point, match, game.

[atropine]

^

Haha, Yendor. I love you! Let's meet up in game and work on this! ;)




~ Kerrilea

[AexDestroy]

Yes, I do need it.. And I want it as well.. I provide a service... Sometimes camping the AC can run 10+ hours...just like Bob, the casinos, or anyone that farms anything that the population desires!!

5.5k w/o rapier or 6k and I camp the rapier is payment for my time spent... Not 1 person has been unhappy with their purchase....infact my customers are always extremely ecstatic to receive their jboots(remember not everyone is capable of camping this as well)

I hope this clears things up for you.

I just spent 20 hours on AC the other day. Wont ever do it again. 5.5k is chump change, and if you dont think so you don't play this game correctly. I'd pay 10k for this shit just to not have to camp it again.

[Mardur]

So, some enterprising young doctor should just poopsock Hasten 24/7, killing him until Brother Z spawns. And charge Badmartigan and his customer (and anyone else) 5k to let them MQ the next Hasten spawn before he's engaged again. That shouldn't be considered douchebaggy -- I mean, it's all about making money however one wants, right?

1 dude camping a mob for an AC ring = playing EverQuest
1 dude killing hasten whenever he spawns and forcing people to pay him to stop = griefing

[Harrison]

1 dude camping a mob for an AC ring = playing EverQuest
1 dude killing hasten whenever he spawns and forcing people to pay him to stop = griefing

By whose definition, yours?

I consider someone camping a nodrop item just to sell it (due to an exploit of mechanics, AKA MQing) equally as retarded as scenario 2.

The only reason you accept the first is because it's common and has always been done.

[Mardur]

How is it an exploit of mechanics when MQ was specifically implemented by the devs for this one sole quest?

[Mardur]

By the way, here is my stance on multi-quest:

Don't sweat it Rogean, the less MQable quests the better. Jboots have turned into a plat camp, making it a very long wait for anyone who actually needs to camp the AC for the boots themselves. This is one classic feature that we can definitely go without. The implications of opening up multi-questing to other quests aren't worth the effort. For example, the entire shaman epic was MQable on live, and people actually sold MQs of the epic.

So it's not like I'm a huge proponent of multiquesting or anything, but it's silly to attack some dude profiting off camping a mob in EverQuest, since we've all done it. It's even more silly to dictate which camps, how often, and for how long someone should monopolize said camps.

[Kassel]

By whose definition, yours?

I consider someone camping a nodrop item just to sell it (due to an exploit of mechanics, AKA MQing) equally as retarded as scenario 2.

The only reason you accept the first is because it's common and has always been done

Its not an exploit, Jboots is the only quest on p99 where you can MQ. Dev's coded it like that for this specific purpose.

Working as intended

[KilyenaMage]

The guy camps the mobs 24/7 dumbass....there's a difference.

Too bad you're all too pussy to play pvp.

[KilyenaMage]

1 dude camping a mob for an AC ring = playing EverQuest
1 dude killing hasten whenever he spawns and forcing people to pay him to stop = griefing

No. Go fuck yourself.

[Mardur]

The guy camps the mobs 24/7 dumbass....there's a difference.

Too bad you're all too pussy to play pvp.

Strange definition of 24/7 ... since he obviously can't camp a ring in between getting one to drop and finding someone to buy. I've also been to AC multiple times over the past couple weeks and have never seen Badmartigan there. Actually, I usually find TMO groups camping AC and pulling seafuries to AC island for exp. Lols.

We've been farming AC here and there for our guild lately and have gotten at least half a dozen rings without incident... yall are making this out to be a bigger deal than it actually is.

[KilyenaMage]

So? Neither is the shadow rapier or money, so you're able to sell jboots just as easily as an FBSS.



This is ridiculous. Some dude is a douche because he spends a lot of time playing EQ to make money? In your eyes, after how many hours of EQ should we log off before we become douchebags like our friend here Badmartigan?

LOL. The fact you're friends with Karsten only cements my point. Go fuck yourselves.

[Kassel]

The guy camps the mobs 24/7 dumbass....there's a difference.

You have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe that lol.

[Badmartigan]

Strange definition of 24/7 ... since he obviously can't camp a ring in between getting one to drop and finding someone to buy. I've also been to AC multiple times over the past couple weeks and have never seen Badmartigan there. Actually, I usually find TMO groups camping AC and pulling seafuries to AC island for exp. Lols.

We've been farming AC here and there for our guild lately and have gotten at least half a dozen rings without incident... yall are making this out to be a bigger deal than it actually is.

By the way.. Thanks mardur.. I didn't see all this till now.

Theres 2 ac spawns.. I wait i'n line... I sometimes get the ac i'n 6 mins sometimes 2 hours...

Tons of people camp the ac and sell the ring.. And all of you nooks saying I'm a deuche and that I lock it down 24/7 are completely wrong..

My point was that I "often" have an ac ring for sale.. Necros can solo the 6 min lot ac camp the most efficiently(and mages)... I was merely offering an HONEST way to receive jboots for play sincE obviously some people have ben ripped off..

Theres alot of BS being said on this thread... And you guys should think before you bash someone for playing a game and trying to honestly help others who don't have time or know how to campa specific item..

Fools.

[sero]

Mardur's argument this entire time has been manufacturing obvious strawmen and then refuting them. It's pretty funny that when I pointed out his defense was obviously a strawman argument, his response was... to post another obvious strawman.

I didn't say issue any orders, didn't say he wasn't allowed to do it, and I didn't issue any position on MQing. I just called him a douche. What he's doing is a classic illustration of douche-bag-like behavior. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend, but clearly I'm far from alone in that opinion.

[Harrison]

How is it an exploit of mechanics when MQ was specifically implemented by the devs for this one sole quest?

Look, EQ designers did NOT intend people to be able to turn in items from separate entities and the final turn in get the rewards. That is an unintentional result of bad design being exploited, by definition.

I'm not saying all MQing is bad, by far. This example however is.

[bizzum]

This thread was far superior when there was more mushroom playing talk going on.

[Mardur]

sero is almost as annoying as hasbinbad.

[karsten]

very similar in style, that is definitely true

[Stibe]

"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Young wikipedia doctor.

[Harrison]

Which I don't understand because since the first time we shot the shit in Lguk you've been nothing but helpful and pleasant *shrug*

I can be a dick so I understand where my hate comes from lol (that and I have zero tolerance for pieces of shit and/or stupidity)

[YendorLootmonkey]

1 dude camping a mob for an AC ring = playing EverQuest
1 dude killing hasten whenever he spawns and forcing people to pay him to stop = griefing

Both are monopolizing content from other players in order to make money. Somehow one is acceptable and one isn't?

So now we can't kill the Avenging Caitiff in Mistmoore in case someone wants to turn in the fangs?

Where do we draw the line here?

[Mardur]

Both are monopolizing content from other players in order to make money. Somehow one is acceptable and one isn't?

So now we can't kill the Avenging Caitiff in Mistmoore in case someone wants to turn in the fangs?

Where do we draw the line here?

There's no line to draw, as long as you possess basic common sense. People who camp the AC ring to sell are doing it to profit and progress their character, they're not doing it with the intention to piss people off. However, there's no gain in kill Hasten so that others can't turn in their ring, the only point in doing that would be to piss people off (griefing). Killing the avenging caitiff offers experience and loot, again to progress your character. However, if someone shows up and requests you wait a minute to kill the caitiff so they can perform a turn in, it'd be pretty shitty not to fill that request.

So yes, I guess these issues can be quite complicated for those without basic thinking skills.

[Badmartigan]

Mardur's argument this entire time has been manufacturing obvious strawmen and then refuting them. It's pretty funny that when I pointed out his defense was obviously a strawman argument, his response was... to post another obvious strawman.

I didn't say issue any orders, didn't say he wasn't allowed to do it, and I didn't issue any position on MQing. I just called him a douche. What he's doing is a classic illustration of douche-bag-likbehavior. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend, but clearly I'm far from alone in that opinion.

Sorry you feel that way.. But you don't even know me.. Calling me a douche for playing everquest is about as awesome as playing an everquest messageboard..

Kan we still be frendz? Lol

[Badmartigan]

Both are monopolizing content from other players in order to make money. Somehow one is acceptable and one isn't?

So now we can't kill the Avenging Caitiff in Mistmoore in case someone wants to turn in the fangs?

Where do we draw the line here?

I'm not monopolizing content.. There's 2 ac spawns and I can only loot 1 ring.. I also raid full time ^^so it's open alot.

Also, if someone wants to camp hasten/a drake/maldyn to try and get BZ that's fine..people can come back the next day and do the turn i'n .. No biggie..

Theres no douchebaggery at hand.. No one is depriving other players of camps.. It's all gravy baby...

What Mardur said about someone killing hasten and not letting someone do a MQ turn is a douche bag move.. If it's done to ONLY block the progression of other players..'but if the legitamitly camping BZ I'll happily come back the next day..

Case closed.. Trolls be Trollin elsewhere nao

[karsten]

yeah, i mean, if you want to take it to the extremes of equating killing the ac to killing hasten, you would also logically have to say that anyone who kills anything is griefing everyone else on the server due to their potentially also having been able to kill the mob, it gets silly

[YendorLootmonkey]

No, I was just making a weird point...

Before the MQ fix... you camped AC, got your ring, and moved on, because once you got your jboots, since you couldn't MQ the ring, there was no point in continuing to camp the AC. Unless you wanted to camp the AC and lock down the corpse and sell "loot rights", which is kind of douchebaggy if you ask me... do your quest and move the fuck on so someone else can do it.

Now, after the MQ fix for this particular quest, there's no reason to move on. You can "monopolize" content because now there is no limit to the number of AC rings you can get and sell the MQ rights for. Instead of getting yours and moving the fuck on so someone else can get theirs, you deprive other people of that content in order to sell that content back to them at a reasonable rate of return for your time. Let the record show that BadMartigan originally stated:

"Btw if anyone is i'n need of jboots mq I do about 1mq a day.. I camp the ring around the clock"

and then backed down to:

"I'm not monopolizing content.. There's 2 ac spawns and I can only loot 1 ring.. I also raid full time ^^so it's open alot."

So there's at least 1 ring a day that should be going to someone else who would like to camp it, that it will not go to because now that the ring is MQ-able, he's right back at it instead of moving on.

So why can't someone sell him "the ability to MQ the ring" for a "fee" of 4-5K by permitting Hadden to live long enough for him and the client to do the MQ? I mean, it's all about playing the game however you want, right? Why would that be griefing? Hadden needs to die for BZ to spawn, so it's not like Hadden should be deemed "unkillable". He yields XP. He probably has some cloth cap and gold pieces for loot. It would be just as enterprising for someone to do that as it is enterprising for someone with the available time to camp the AC on a daily basis.

The argument might be that it's not depriving anyone of content, since he offers it up for sale. Tell that to a melee class that can't generate plat as easily as a caster, not to mention the melee has to spend huge amounts of plat to even be effective, when instead they could just camp the AC themselves. Except they can't because everyone who should have moved on after they got their ring is back there selling MQ rights.

Or maybe the argument is that he's providing a service to those who do not have the time to camp the AC themselves. But isn't that the meat of the entire casual player vs. hardcore argument? That the casual player needs to put in the time in order to get the same loot as the hardcore player? Or is it merely that the casual player needs to put in the time to get the same loot as the hardcore player, or just have enough plat to purchase said loot off of the hardcore player?

So what's the difference between a AC ring MQ'er depriving others of content for a fee, and someone charging that AC ring MQ'er a fee to not deprive them of the opportunity to turn the shit in with Hasten?

[Harrison]

So what's the difference between a AC ring MQ'er depriving others of content for a fee, and someone charging that AC ring MQ'er a fee to not deprive them of the opportunity to turn the shit in with Hasten?

There is none.

[Muzyn]

and thats about as classy a move as you will see on P99 folks.

/cheer to Bob

What's so classy about an RMT trader?

[Dentalplan]

So what's the difference between a AC ring MQ'er depriving others of content for a fee, and someone charging that AC ring MQ'er a fee to not deprive them of the opportunity to turn the shit in with Hasten?
How is camping the AC ring to sell it depriving someone of content? You can farm the plat to buy the MQ quicker than it takes to actually camp a ring a good portion of the time. Plus people selling the MQ makes it more available to people who either can't solo the camp due to their class or just don't care to put the time in. This is a ridiculous argument.

[YendorLootmonkey]

You can farm the plat to buy the MQ quicker than it takes to actually camp a ring a good portion of the time.

You know how I know you don't play a melee as your main?

[Badmartigan]

No, I was just making a weird point...

Before the MQ fix... you camped AC, got your ring, and moved on, because once you got your jboots, since you couldn't MQ the ring, there was no point in continuing to camp the AC. Unless you wanted to camp the AC and lock down the corpse and sell "loot rights", which is kind of douchebaggy if you ask me... do your quest and move the fuck on so someone else can do it.

Now, after the MQ fix for this particular quest, there's no reason to move on. You can "monopolize" content because now there is no limit to the number of AC rings you can get and sell the MQ rights for. Instead of getting yours and moving the fuck on so someone else can get theirs, you deprive other people of that content in order to sell that content back to them at a reasonable rate of return for your time. Let the record show that BadMartigan originally stated:

"Btw if anyone is i'n need of jboots mq I do about 1mq a day.. I camp the ring around the clock"

and then backed down to:

"I'm not monopolizing content.. There's 2 ac spawns and I can only loot 1 ring.. I also raid full time ^^so it's open alot."

S

I didnt think i would have to state the obvious dude... go ahead and pick at my minor discrepancy.. but obviously 1 person cannot camp 2 spawns around the clock on an item thats lore..

Whats your point here ? It's sad that i had to even point out that 1 person cannot "camp the ac around the clock" this was a statement to encourage people to send me tells to buy a MQ..

geez.. im getting off this thread now.. you people need to get a hobby other than messageboard nitpicking... damn

[Dentalplan]

You know how I know you don't play a melee as your main?
Those melees that have no options for farming plat generally can't handle the AC camp anyways. Sure they could get a friend to help, but they could get a friend to help them farm the plat too, so I think it's a pretty moot point.

Non-instanced mmo's are just like this. Is the guy camping Frenzy depriving me of content because I want an FBSS too? Is the raid guild that gets to Naggy first depriving the rest of the server of content? Depends on your outlook I guess, but attempting to deprive them of content by griefing them wouldn't be fair retribution, which is the basis of the silly argument you're making.

[Seaweedpimp]

No, I was just making a weird point...

Before the MQ fix... you camped AC, got your ring, and moved on, because once you got your jboots, since you couldn't MQ the ring, there was no point in continuing to camp the AC. Unless you wanted to camp the AC and lock down the corpse and sell "loot rights", which is kind of douchebaggy if you ask me... do your quest and move the fuck on so someone else can do it.

Now, after the MQ fix for this particular quest, there's no reason to move on. You can "monopolize" content because now there is no limit to the number of AC rings you can get and sell the MQ rights for. Instead of getting yours and moving the fuck on so someone else can get theirs, you deprive other people of that content in order to sell that content back to them at a reasonable rate of return for your time. Let the record show that BadMartigan originally stated:

"Btw if anyone is i'n need of jboots mq I do about 1mq a day.. I camp the ring around the clock"

and then backed down to:

"I'm not monopolizing content.. There's 2 ac spawns and I can only loot 1 ring.. I also raid full time ^^so it's open alot."

So there's at least 1 ring a day that should be going to someone else who would like to camp it, that it will not go to because now that the ring is MQ-able, he's right back at it instead of moving on.

So why can't someone sell him "the ability to MQ the ring" for a "fee" of 4-5K by permitting Hadden to live long enough for him and the client to do the MQ? I mean, it's all about playing the game however you want, right? Why would that be griefing? Hadden needs to die for BZ to spawn, so it's not like Hadden should be deemed "unkillable". He yields XP. He probably has some cloth cap and gold pieces for loot. It would be just as enterprising for someone to do that as it is enterprising for someone with the available time to camp the AC on a daily basis.

The argument might be that it's not depriving anyone of content, since he offers it up for sale. Tell that to a melee class that can't generate plat as easily as a caster, not to mention the melee has to spend huge amounts of plat to even be effective, when instead they could just camp the AC themselves. Except they can't because everyone who should have moved on after they got their ring is back there selling MQ rights.

Or maybe the argument is that he's providing a service to those who do not have the time to camp the AC themselves. But isn't that the meat of the entire casual player vs. hardcore argument? That the casual player needs to put in the time in order to get the same loot as the hardcore player? Or is it merely that the casual player needs to put in the time to get the same loot as the hardcore player, or just have enough plat to purchase said loot off of the hardcore player?

So what's the difference between a AC ring MQ'er depriving others of content for a fee, and someone charging that AC ring MQ'er a fee to not deprive them of the opportunity to turn the shit in with Hasten?


Badmartigan > you

PS: This is as rediculous as it gets.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I'm a ranger, like I'm really gonna get more than 3 swings in before Hasten smears me all over Rathe Mountains.

I'm just saying -- and I'm sorry for picking on BadMartigan, he was just a convenient target for proudly claiming he camps AC for MQ rights sales round the clock -- if AC MQ'ers can make their money by locking down the AC camp after they should have moved on, or Pegasus Cloak farmers can make their money locking down Quillmane corpses, why can't someone, in turn, make money off the AC MQ'ers by locking down Hasten? Sounds a bit Abacab-ish, I know. But more than anything, I was just curious how that one is different than the others. Or different than the same solo caster or two continuously handing off and farming the shit out of the FBSS to make plat and having it locked down out of the rest of the server's grasp for the majority of the time?

[Badmartigan]

I'm a ranger, like I'm really gonna get more than 3 swings in before Hasten smears me all over Rathe Mountains.

I'm just saying -- and I'm sorry for picking on BadMartigan, he was just a convenient target for proudly claiming he camps AC for MQ rights sales round the clock -- if AC MQ'ers can make their money by locking down the AC camp after they should have moved on, or Pegasus Cloak farmers can make their money locking down Quillmane corpses, why can't someone, in turn, make money off the AC MQ'ers by locking down Hasten? Sounds a bit Abacab-ish, I know. But more than anything, I was just curious how that one is different than the others. Or different than the same solo caster or two continuously handing off and farming the shit out of the FBSS to make plat and having it locked down out of the rest of the server's grasp for the majority of the time?

You answered your own question.. Igs "abacabbish"...it's classless,tasteless, and serves no purpose other than to punish one user.. If I have the ac camped.. I have a list.. I give the spawn up.. I go sell ring.. Then I come back and wait my turn to camp it again..

[Alawen Everywhere]

I'm a ranger, like I'm really gonna get more than 3 swings in before Hasten smears me all over Rathe Mountains.

I'm just saying -- and I'm sorry for picking on BadMartigan, he was just a convenient target for proudly claiming he camps AC for MQ rights sales round the clock -- if AC MQ'ers can make their money by locking down the AC camp after they should have moved on, or Pegasus Cloak farmers can make their money locking down Quillmane corpses, why can't someone, in turn, make money off the AC MQ'ers by locking down Hasten? Sounds a bit Abacab-ish, I know. But more than anything, I was just curious how that one is different than the others. Or different than the same solo caster or two continuously handing off and farming the shit out of the FBSS to make plat and having it locked down out of the rest of the server's grasp for the majority of the time?

Root. Snare. Arrows. L2P.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Root. Snare. Arrows. L2P.

I don't have the patience for that... Jesus Christ. I did that for 15 minutes arrow-kiting GrimFeather around back when I was level 32 while I had to shit so bad it felt like it was trying to come out sideways.

[Versus]

No, they do not refund lost pp or items. I was told to not trust people with my money. Thankfully between kavanah scamming the scammer outta gebs and giving them to me and susane giving me 5k im only out about 7kpp after all is said and done. Thanks to everyone who helped track him and his various alts down. And thanks to kavanah for the gebs!

Not to start shit here, but I see a problem with this logic.

How is it a ban-able offense when you get scammed, but Kavanah scams him FOR you, and he's fine? I mean I understand the fact that he was a bad guy, but come on...

[Versus]

Don't jump all over me for this, I am merely bored at work and playing Devil's Advocate.

Discuss.

[Chanus]

I agree with you.

So hah!

[Versus]

Just as an aside...

I made my living in The Realm Online by scamming. However over there it wasn't against the rules. There were no trade windows, so you could be crafty. I also played a thief, so I argued I was "roleplaying."

[Madigan]

...why can't someone, in turn, make money off the AC MQ'ers by locking down Hasten?

I can't see why someone can't or shouldn't for that matter. In the end, whether you are locking down Hasten (ransoming, if you will) or locking down the AC spawn with the claim of MQing it, you are affecting another players gaming experience. In my eyes, fundamentally, there is no difference.

[Kassel]

How is it a ban-able offense when you get scammed, but Kavanah scams him FOR you, and he's fine? I mean I understand the fact that he was a bad guy, but come on...

This

[YendorLootmonkey]

Not to start shit here, but I see a problem with this logic.

How is it a ban-able offense when you get scammed, but Kavanah scams him FOR you, and he's fine? I mean I understand the fact that he was a bad guy, but come on...

Those are just Bob's poorly chosen words. If you actually read shit, Kavanah got the scanner to bet the GEBs in his casino game. Which means the scanner willfully handed them over as a bet. There was no counter-scam, per se.

[Versus]

Those are just Bob's poorly chosen words. If you actually read shit, Kavanah got the scanner to bet the GEBs in his casino game. Which means the scanner willfully handed them over as a bet. There was no counter-scam, per se.

And the GEB's were given back to Bob regardless of the outcome of the "bet." With this, I can assume that I am allowed to do the same, so long as it is for a "just" cause. I think I'll log in and scam a FBSS, sell it, and spread the wealth to noobies all over Norrath! :confused:

[YendorLootmonkey]

And the GEB's were given back to Bob regardless of the outcome of the "bet." With this, I can assume that I am allowed to do the same, so long as it is for a "just" cause. I think I'll log in and scam a FBSS, sell it, and spread the wealth to noobies all over Norrath! :confused:

I dunno.. guess I assumed the SCAMMER (not scanner ... damn you autocorrect) gambled and lost, because Kav would not risk his reputation as a casino. If the /random was never done, or the scammer won the /random, then yes that was a counter-scam. So what happened, Kav?

[Versus]

I don't know, I was just bored and wanted to sling some shit. On the 2nd page, Kav says he "promptly" gave the GEBs back to Bob after the scammer bet them.

It's irrelevant. I just assumed that everyone thought it was OK to scam a scammer, and I thought it awfully hypocritical. Not trying to pick on Kav or discredit his rep, just wanted people to think about it.

[atropine]

An eye for an eye...




~ Kerrilea

[eriamjh]

You answered your own question.. Igs "abacabbish"...it's classless,tasteless, and serves no purpose other than to punish one user.. If I have the ac camped.. I have a list.. I give the spawn up.. I go sell ring.. Then I come back and wait my turn to camp it again..

This is so silly.. You move straight from the false premise that there is nothing wrong with a one man half monopoly to talking about how much more classy it is to camp and sell or destroy a rare, no drop item you can't use than to kill a rare spawn NPC you can't quest with.

...

It's like.. The ring was made no drop in the first place for a reason and it probably had a lot to do with discouraging this exact kind of behavior.

[Harrison]

This is so silly.. You move straight from the false premise that there is nothing wrong with a one man half monopoly to talking about how much more classy it is to camp and sell or destroy a rare, no drop item you can't use than to kill a rare spawn NPC you can't quest with.

...

It's like.. The ring was made no drop in the first place for a reason and it probably had a lot to do with discouraging this exact kind of behavior.

That was the exact purpose of making things nodrop.

Exploiting the bug in mechanics that allowed people to multiquest is getting around that.

[JackFlash]

This is so silly

^

[Chanus]

That was the exact purpose of making things nodrop.

Exploiting the bug in mechanics that allowed people to multiquest is getting around that.

It's not really a bug in the mechanics, though. It's been specifically coded to be allowed on this server.

[Harrison]

It's not really a bug in the mechanics, though. It's been specifically coded to be allowed on this server.

Yeah, here.

It's added to mimic that exploit. Trying to say it's not an exploit is outright lying, or simple ignorance.

[Stibe]

Yeah, here.

It's added to mimic that exploit. Trying to say it's not an exploit is outright lying, or simple ignorance.

On live it was an exploit. Here it isnt. To call it an exploit when it was coded and everyone was told it was going to work that way, is just plain stupidity.

[eriamjh]

It's not really a bug in the mechanics, though. It's been specifically coded to be allowed on this server.

The game mechanics in play on this server are intentionally derivative of 1999 classic EQ game mechanics of which this was, and still is, an unintended exploit.

You can go ahead and argue current (PEQ era) game mechanics and intentions but this is a classic server and you will go nowhere quickly. Please just accept the fact that MQ was re-enabled to be classic and NOT to let ass hats farm JBoots 24/7 because they know 4 in 5 classes NEED them eventually.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Nothing more classic then unaddressed exploits.

[Chanus]

Please just accept the fact that MQ was re-enabled to be classic and NOT to let ass hats farm JBoots 24/7 because they know 4 in 5 classes NEED them eventually.

I'm having trouble accepting this as it doesn't make any sense in the context of what you wrote.

Kiting in pretty much all implementations is an unintended exploit. Where's the fuss?

Feign Death pulling is an intended exploit. Where's the fuss?

There are ZERO classes in the game that "NEED" Jboots. It's a convenience to have them, and you pay for that convenience by either waiting in line for the camp or paying for the MQ. The only difference is this is a situation where "It's not fair because I can't get what I want when I want it!".

MQ existed in the game and was never removed, just like the ability to kite and the ability to use FD as a tool for splitting camps. "Unintended exploit" is a meaningless phrase.

[Chanus]

What is the difference in paying for an MQ for JBoots or paying someone who farmed GEBs or any other item?

Trade is an integral part of the game and its economy.

[jilena]

*shrug* this is the same need before greed argument as always. For most people it looks better for a melee class to claim they need an fbss than for a caster to claim they need it to sell so they can buy GEBs they will actually wear. I'm not really sure why MMO players feel that camping something you can sell to buy something you need is more despicable than camping something you need directly. It has always been the case though for as long as I can remember.

[Chanus]

I agree it's less-than-courteous to block someone from getting an item they can use so that you can make money off them, but that doesn't make it wrong.

And I don't equate it to a caster looting an FBSS when there's a melee class in the group that doesn't have one. That's just bad form (though also, not wrong in a "legal" sense, for lack of a better term).

[jilena]

Point being all items have some value to all players. Whether it's to sell and buy something they like, or to use directly. Why is having money to buy a nicer item more greedy than just having a nicer item? I have personally never rolled on an item to sell when someone in the group "needed" it. I just see both sides of the argument. No melee can solo an FBSS or SSoY. However all of them can solo the AC for a ring or Pyzjn for a GBS to sell. Does that make them bastards because some random caster wanted to camp Pyzjn or some random noob wanted to camp a ring? Obviously demanding an equal chance at such loot in a group is more immediate... But it's the same thing really. If you put in the same amount of time camping an item why are you a greedy bastard if you want to sell it for cash to buy, or directly trade it for something you would use? Maybe the person who is gonna equip the item is being more greedy because they feel that their being able to use it directly is more important than your need to use the cash from it to buy something else!! *shrug*

[xshayla701]

Point being all items have some value to all players. Whether it's to sell and buy something they like, or to use directly. Why is having money to buy a nicer item more greedy than just having a nicer item? I have personally never rolled on an item to sell when someone in the group "needed" it. I just see both sides of the argument. No melee can solo an FBSS or SSoY. However all of them can solo the AC for a ring or Pyzjn for a GBS to sell. Does that make them bastards because some random caster wanted to camp Pyzjn or some random noob wanted to camp a ring? Obviously demanding an equal chance at such loot in a group is more immediate... But it's the same thing really. If you put in the same amount of time camping an item why are you a greedy bastard if you want to sell it for cash to buy, or directly trade it for something you would use? Maybe the person who is gonna equip the item is being more greedy because they feel that their being able to use it directly is more important than your need to use the cash from it to buy something else!! *shrug*

agree with this

but I thought the point of this argument against selling the Jboots ring MQ was because those who monopolize the AC camp and don't leave it for people who don't want to buy it but do want to camp the spawn for themselves? I don't think it would be bad to camp it when it's open (but really... when is it ever just open?), but there are people who switch off the spawn with their friend so that either themselves or their friend always has the camp.

[xshayla701]

okay I wish I could delete that post, I feel like it makes no sense lol. SORRY

[Chanus]

but there are people who switch off the spawn with their friend so that either themselves or their friend always has the camp.

Pretty easy to defeat that method, even assuming it actually happens.

As it is obviously not the case that two people have permanently monopolized the camp, get on the list and once you acquire the camp, publicly announce the list when people are added. Ask the next person on the list to do this as well.

This would ensure the list is honored, and would prevent such behavior as just passing the camp to a friend and having that friend pass it back to the first person as there should always be someone else on the list in between them.

[Harrison]

Pretty easy to defeat that method, even assuming it actually happens.

As it is obviously not the case that two people have permanently monopolized the camp, get on the list and once you acquire the camp, publicly announce the list when people are added. Ask the next person on the list to do this as well.

This would ensure the list is honored, and would prevent such behavior as just passing the camp to a friend and having that friend pass it back to the first person as there should always be someone else on the list in between them.

As per GM statements: Camps are handled by players, and can give them to whoever they want. Regardless of "lists" or anything.

If I want to forego the list entirely and give the camp to my friend, I can. It's up to the camp holder, not some arbitrarily chosen time of arrival.

[Chanus]

As per GM statements: Camps are handled by players, and can give them to whoever they want. Regardless of "lists" or anything.

If I want to forego the list entirely and give the camp to my friend, I can. It's up to the camp holder, not some arbitrarily chosen time of arrival.

Sure, you can.

If you want to risk your reputation and possibly end up blacklisted from future lists, go right ahead and discard a publicly announced list in favor of your own greed.

(I realize you're not necessarily saying you would do this, yourself)

Frontier justice that does not break any existing rules might be the way people need to go with things like this.

[Harrison]

My guild got pissed off at me for handing off camps to non-guildies because they were higher on the list.

I honor my spoken or unspoken deals. *shrug*

I'm one in a million it appears, however.

[Chanus]

I don't see the "honor" in disregarding the community for the sake of yourself/friends/guild.

Shrug.