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jcr4990
07-27-2016, 07:54 PM
What do you think the easiest class in EQ is?

http://www.strawpoll.me/10849665

phacemeltar
07-27-2016, 08:05 PM
magician

Sweettouch
07-27-2016, 08:07 PM
What do you think the easiest class in EQ is?

http://www.strawpoll.me/10849665

He hates rogue since they outdps him in everything but Dain,you should be ashamed if you vote rogue

jcr4990
07-27-2016, 08:09 PM
He hates rogue since they outdps him in everything but Dain,you should be ashamed if you vote rogue

Oh look its a Rogue trying to skew the vote :P

Be objective in your voting. If you think standing behind a mob hitting backstab is harder than what other classes have to do then vote for other classes. I want genuine opinions even if they don't align with mine.

indiscriminate_hater
07-27-2016, 08:59 PM
how is BDA going to exploit this information?

Nitsude
07-27-2016, 09:02 PM
No one told him bush/towers yet? Server is dying.

Ahldagor
07-27-2016, 09:05 PM
Cleric.

Baler
07-27-2016, 09:22 PM
magician

As a Magician I can tell you that they're not the easiest to play. Despite being one of the laziest. There is a lot of targeting and micromanaging involved that other classes with utilities spells don't have to worry about.

I would say cleric because they are very, very group oriented. Grouping dramatically lowers the difficulty of the grind. It is possible to solo as a cleric, mainly undead. But where they shine is sitting(meditating) in a group and tossing a heal when needed. I guess a stun too if they're ambitious.

Raev
07-27-2016, 09:34 PM
Easiest: any class other than Monk or Warrior while raiding. Most classes use about 10% of their abilities. It doesn't take much micromanaging to drop mod rods, for example. Clerics sit and CH/Aegolism rather than using their calms, blurs, and roots. And so on and so forth.

Amyas
07-27-2016, 09:48 PM
Rogue

Cecily
07-27-2016, 09:57 PM
Brain dead / assist auto attack rogues yeah. Good rogues, naw.

jcr4990
07-27-2016, 10:04 PM
Rogue winning poll pretty handily atm. @Cecily what do good rogues do besides stand behind mob with attack on and hit backstab when it pops up and evade if ur tanks bad?

jcr4990
07-27-2016, 10:05 PM
Not being a smartass I really don't really know what separates a good from a mediocre rogue

Expediency
07-27-2016, 10:08 PM
Rogue winning poll pretty handily atm. @Cecily what do good rogues do besides stand behind mob with attack on and hit backstab when it pops up and evade if ur tanks bad?

I dont know how to explain it, but some people are just much better at roguing than others. Give two players the exact same gear and the better player will top the other in DPS every time. Positioning, starting to attack at the right time, etc. Little things that add up. It is an easy class but some are for sure better than others.

jcr4990
07-27-2016, 10:10 PM
I dont know how to explain it, but some people are just much better at roguing than others. Give two players the exact same gear and the better player will top the other in DPS every time. Positioning, starting to attack at the right time, etc. Little things that add up. It is an easy class but some are for sure better than others.

All that I can think of is having the proper buffs/bard and attacking early + managing aggro. But those things can really be applied to any dps class.

Cecily
07-27-2016, 10:13 PM
Rogue winning poll pretty handily atm. @Cecily what do good rogues do besides stand behind mob with attack on and hit backstab when it pops up and evade if ur tanks bad?

Awareness of and control of push, mainly. A rogue is every bit as responsible as a warrior for where the mob you're fighting ends up. A good rogue breaks gates and CHes. A bad rogue causes them.

Pulling agro off casters w/o breaking mezzes. NOT breaking mezzes. Being able to pull. Efficiently finding and returning corpses to camp. There's more to it than auto backstab evade.

phacemeltar
07-27-2016, 10:19 PM
As a Magician I can tell you that they're not the easiest to play. Despite being one of the laziest. There is a lot of targeting and micromanaging involved that other classes with utilities spells don't have to worry about.

I would say cleric because they are very, very group oriented. Grouping dramatically lowers the difficulty of the grind. It is possible to solo as a cleric, mainly undead. But where they shine is sitting(meditating) in a group and tossing a heal when needed. I guess a stun too if they're ambitious.

i meant which one can be the easiest.

Baler
07-27-2016, 10:28 PM
i meant which one can be the easiest.
But that wasn't the question. :(
Solo mage is not the easiest. No heals, No roots, nothing. They have to rely on pets and targeting to control the battlefield.

Easiest class in Everquest must be the class that is easiest in all areas of EQ. Solo, Grouped or Raiding etc...

Kagey
07-27-2016, 10:37 PM
overall evaluation would be EXP an Raid duty.

rog out does mag in exp roles and greatly in Raid duty, CRing/sneak hide scouts/FTE racing while mags do none of that and drop mod rods.

Rog is actually harder to play then a bunch of other classes in my opinion. Those who think all rogs do is stab are not playing the character to its fullest potential.

Kagey
07-27-2016, 10:40 PM
But your question is EVERQUEST not p99

so the answer is Beastlords.

Baler
07-27-2016, 10:41 PM
Maybe it's Necro who is the easiest.
Great solo ability, always welcome in groups, twitching during raids isn't too tough.

jcr4990
07-27-2016, 10:42 PM
overall evaluation would be EXP an Raid duty.

rog out does mag in exp roles and greatly in Raid duty, CRing/sneak hide scouts/FTE racing while mags do none of that and drop mod rods.

Rog is actually harder to play then a bunch of other classes in my opinion. Those who think all rogs do is stab are not playing the character to its fullest potential.

Rogues definitely have a little more complexity to them on P99. Things differ a little on Phinny and that's where the discussion originated and I was primarily talking about raiding but overall view is cool too. On phinny though rogues don't have automatic godmode stealth like they do on P99 it doesn't come til they get shroud of stealth or whatever its called AA. CRing is mostly handled by FD classes and FTE racing isn't a thing. Rogues are pretty much strictly stand behind mob hit backstab here from what I can tell.

Rygar
07-27-2016, 10:44 PM
Awareness of and control of push, mainly. A rogue is every bit as responsible as a warrior for where the mob you're fighting ends up. A good rogue breaks gates and CHes. A bad rogue causes them.

Pulling agro off casters w/o breaking mezzes. NOT breaking mezzes. Being able to pull. Efficiently finding and returning corpses to camp. There's more to it than auto backstab evade.

Totally random thought, but do deathly strikes provide any value? I have the vaguest recollection of them beefing it up on live where it could generate half the power of a backstab or something. Not sure if AAs were involvedout if you needed a throwing boulder or something.

Cecily
07-27-2016, 11:07 PM
None whatsoever unless you're deadly striking someone w/ a boulder running from you in PvP. Poisons are like that too. Near useless in PvE, but invaluable for PvP.

One thing you can do is assassinate w/ throwing from behind on valid assassinate targets.

Matalus
07-27-2016, 11:18 PM
Soloing?
Grouping?
Raiding?

gtfo with vague question poll

Gimp
07-27-2016, 11:19 PM
Bard hardest

Everything else is easy money

Matalus
07-27-2016, 11:20 PM
Bard hardest

Everything else is easy money

cause clicking 3 buttons in grouping is HARD

Matalus
07-27-2016, 11:20 PM
not to count soloing, hey let me run in circles till everything dies

Gimp
07-27-2016, 11:30 PM
cause clicking 3 buttons in grouping is HARD

The difference between a durrhurr click 3 buttons bard and a good bard is the biggest gap in all classes, Enchanter being a distant second.

Don't question my expertise Matalus, Gimp knows all

Sodors Finest Poster
07-28-2016, 07:43 AM
wth kind of hide do rogues get on phinny then?

It should be better than invis by default. SoS made it ridiculous where they could party in places like NTov without ever being seen.

Spyder73
07-28-2016, 08:23 AM
EQ is not a hard game - time consuming yes, but difficult no

GreldorEQ
07-28-2016, 08:38 AM
... are not playing the character to its fullest potential.

Your role in groups and raids can drastically change if you choose to use all of the tools in your toolkit.

The easiest class to play is the class played by the lazy player.

Kruel
07-28-2016, 09:15 AM
I would say magician. They are easy mode. If you cant get a group you simply go solo. If you get a group then you literally make an assist key while not worrying about anything at all. The hardest thing they need to do is /petgetlost if they have a problem with their pet.

Rogues cannot solo at all. They need to fend for themselves even getting to certain zones etc. If they get exp it is because they sat and went LFG and finally got something. Once in the group rogues will need to worry about over agro management - just being on your toes at all times.

Mages literally sit were the cleric does and pet attacks. Randomly getting up to nuke sometimes. If there is an issue they can gate. Rogues will eat it.

Just my thoughts. When I have a new player wanting to learn the game and they aren't the best at games I would start them on a mage lol.

Amyas
07-28-2016, 09:43 AM
Bard, pulling,CC,swarm Kiting,charm killing, song juggling.

Easy to play hard to master no way its bard.

Cecily
07-28-2016, 09:52 AM
Mana song -> AFK. 90% of group role fulfilled.

Kutsumo
07-28-2016, 10:13 AM
This depends on your definition of hard... Some classes are a lot more busy/tedious or require a lot more attention to play near 100% of their potential. Even those classes can be easy/lazy if you just chill and don't worry about everything you can do. Necro and Enchanter come to mind. Monk doesn't require much input, but you're expected to pull and pulling means no downtime to grab a drink between pulls or watch TV. That's hard for me because I can't focus for more than a couple of hours without a break on that class. Rogue on the other hand, I can grind for 6 hours no problems b/c all I have to do is hit assist, position myself, and press evade/backstab hotkeys.

Baler
07-28-2016, 01:45 PM
I would say magician. They are easy mode. If you cant get a group you simply go solo. If you get a group then you literally make an assist key while not worrying about anything at all. The hardest thing they need to do is /petgetlost if they have a problem with their pet.

Except this is literally the thing that doesn't make them the easiest class. Solo magician is not as easy as solo necromancer. Mages get no root, fear, etc. So if they can't keep the mobs of their pet it's either gate out or game over.

Baler
07-28-2016, 01:48 PM
Except this is literally the thing that doesn't make them the easiest class. Solo magician is not as easy as solo necromancer. Mages get no root, fear, etc. So if they can't keep the mobs of their pet it's either gate out or game over.

On the topic of rogues,. how well do they solo? Seems like they might have some trouble there.

I've officially changed my mind from cleric to necro, specifically iksar necro.

Izmael
07-28-2016, 02:10 PM
Easiest - rogue. Most straightforward class ever, and sneak/hide is so OP.

Hardest - magician. Very small toolbox.

Izmael
07-28-2016, 03:14 PM
Not being a smartass I really don't really know what separates a good from a mediocre rogue

Not being a borderline retard.

Also zone knowledge from sneak and/or hide point of view.

Dunno what else, really.

dafier
07-28-2016, 03:21 PM
During this era? Paladins.

Buff + pretend tank/dps.

Pretty easy.

JurisDictum
07-28-2016, 03:55 PM
Rogue. To play a rogue well in conventional EQ (i.e. not FTE related stuff), you mostly have to master press backstab on cooldown and your evade maco. You also have to stay on the right spot of the target like any other DPS.

Dragging corpses is a fun way to learn a zone, rather than being the one dying. It's all part of the character of the class.

paulgiamatti
07-28-2016, 03:57 PM
Rogue is the easiest. Granted, there are rogues who just wait to be spoon-fed mobs and then push buttons for 30 seconds, and there are rogues who are playmakers and take on much more difficult tasks. But overall, definitely rogue.

Bard: Not as easy as rogue, unless you're playing dishonestly and AFKing the majority of the time. You still have to juggle songs and stuff.

Cleric: Sounds easy on paper, but it's actually one of the more difficult jobs. Clerics have to announce their AFKs with a megaphone, or the raid wipes. Compensating for bad clerics in a CH chain is also pretty damn hard.

Druid: Somewhat similar to bard in that it's easy if you're doing the bare minimum. If you're keeping up on every utility - the half dozen buffs to keep up, the sunders, the snares, the dots, the nukes, the heals - then it's no simple task.

Enchanter: Definitely the hardest. Hardest to play at basic crowd control levels, and the hardest to master. So many different components and playstyles for this class, and a truly talented enchanter can accomplish insane feats that normally take an entire group of 60s.

Magician: Not necessarily hard, but not nearly as easy as rogue. Controlling a pet - while a mind-numbingly simple thing for most people - is still orders of magnitude more difficult than anything a rogue does. Not having a root spell ups the difficulty factor a ton.

Monk: Would be on par with rogue if it wasn't for the expectation of pulling and mastering feign death mechanics.

Necromancer: Similar to magician, but definitely easier due to much better soloability.

Paladin: The most difficult hybrid. Paladins get screwed in so many ways, but mastering Flash of Light snap aggro isn't hugely difficult. Very low DPS amounts to very low soloability.

Ranger: Similar to druids when it comes to keeping on top of utilities. Bad rangers will just attack and throw a snare here and there. Good rangers will keep up Strength of Nature on DPS classes, Call of Earth on tank classes, Chloroplast on tanks and pullers if needed, damage shield on the tank if needed, all while fulfilling a multitude of other jobs like pulling, tanking, and crowd control.

Shadow Knight: Way more soloability than paladins due to snare and fear and lifetaps, snap aggro on par with rangers, and feign death. The easiest hybrid, but still way more difficult than rogues.

Shaman: Shamans are a lot like enchanters but not nearly as difficult. A good shaman can do insane things like solo Lodizal and will fully buff their group before anyone asks while chain-cannibalizing and never run out of mana from slows, a bad shaman will begrudgingly buff people when asked and maybe slow a mob here and there before proclaiming "OOM".

Warrior: Should be a very easy class, but taunt mechanics require warriors to rely on procs for aggro so it can be frustrating. Definitely not as easy as rogue, but probably easier than monk. Bad warriors switch targets constantly and have no idea what proxy aggro means. Difficulty increases a ton for raiding due to having to understand all the different mob positioning and push mechanics, as well as using disciplines efficiently.

Wizard: Second easiest class after rogues. Rogues can evade and drop aggro, and a rogue's hate builds up much more incrementally. Wizards don't have it that easy, and they have to know which spells generate more hate than others, at what point they should start nuking as to not surpass the tank's aggro, and when a nuke is one nuke too many. They also have to know which mobs are bellycasters, and how to compensate for push during a bellycast. That said, their only job in groups and raids other than porting people is to nuke stuff, and they can easily solo up to level 60.

gummab
07-28-2016, 05:01 PM
The question really should be which is the busiest,lets face it all classes are easy.

Izmael
07-28-2016, 05:57 PM
Ease or difficulty of a class could be quantified as "room for error". Generally speaking, how many close or close-ish decisions you have to take per hour of average play of this class.

The more close decisions, the more room for mistakes, the harder the class is to play as the quality of your decision-making process and the speed thereof will decide the outcome of your endeavor (or the one of your group, or raid).

This is why I said rogue is the easiest. I mained a rogue on live back in classic-Velious and the only close decisions I can think of were of the kind "do I have enough time to sneak behind this see invis mob in Plane of Hate before it turns to roam that way" while CR'ing the guild. Rest of the time, it's so hard to do anything wrong, playing a rogue..

On the other hand, I put magician as hardest. I played a mage to 60 on P99 and I died on it literally all the time, when trying to do funky stuff solo or duo, because it involved close calls and inevitable mistakes (pet chaining, summoning mobs, mana mgmt, CoH timing, you name it). Of course the possibility that I simply was a retarded mage must also not be ruled out completely.

Someone said enchanter is hard. Yeah, it can be hard if you're attempting stuff that is hard - soloing/duoing stuff not meant to be soloed/duoed, PvP someone good.. But regular CC/buff work for an exp group with a puller not bringing more than, say, 5-6 mobs every time, face it, is dead straightforward.

paulgiamatti
07-28-2016, 06:42 PM
Totally. Now that I think about it, mages really get the short end. One of the hardest epics and very low desirability in groups. If you want a challenge roll a mage - it will force you to think creatively when it comes to soloing.

Rattle Squirrell
07-28-2016, 06:50 PM
I always thought Cleric was pretty easy. Just heal.......

HeyNomad
07-29-2016, 01:09 AM
This question's like a rorschach test. It all depends, right? It's as easy to be a shitty chanter as it is to be a shitty rogue.

Ease or difficulty of a class could be quantified as "room for error"

I like this measure, but even here it depends on the context. I main a druid. In a raid, assuming I don't accidentally port the tank or spam nukes at 98%, my room for error is huge. That's even true in groups, unless I'm main healer (rare, especially past 40ish) or an evac is needed (even rarer). But charming in Perma or Kedge, my room for error is pretty tiny.

When someone asks me about an easy class, I think of it as how quickly someone could become competent in everything normally required for success in groups and raids (and maybe solo, if they can solo at all). I've seen people do amazing things on just about every class, but that's more than competence; that's mastery. I guess I also discount gearing/spell requirements. If that's part of the ease of a class, druid or necro are about a hundred times easier than shaman or warrior.

By that measure, I'd go with wizard (agro management) and mage (agro management and pet control) as my top two, with maybe druid and shaman (buff, debuff, spot heal occasionally) tied for third. In my experience, any melee type is just more demanding. Rogues need more constant attention to positioning and agro management. Ditto warriors, and also situational awareness. Etc, etc.

Halfelfbard
07-29-2016, 01:51 AM
All depends on the player.

Bard hardest, and Rogue is the easiest. But a lazy player is just shitty all around.

maskedmelon
07-29-2016, 08:55 AM
Also depends heavily on clickquest. It's a whole different game if you are an habitual recharger.

Gilder
07-29-2016, 09:07 AM
Shaman: every shaman will begrudgingly buff people when asked and maybe slow a mob here and there before proclaiming "OOM".


There, that's fixed.

Kruel
07-29-2016, 09:22 AM
I have to respectfully disagree with everyone saying "rogue is the easiest class to play". You guys are just speaking of higher end raid or grouping. To play the character means to start at lvl 1 and go to lvl 60 and raiding can be a thought also. I would agree that in a high end group rogues are ezpz. Leveling up sucks and is hard.... you cant solo a single mob to get exp past what 20ish? Always needing to foot race to get any where and when doing that trying not to die since you cant out run any mob. To get loot you always need to compete with others since you cant kill it yourself. Rogues are easy once you get into a situation they are suited but other than that they suck to level up - that is what everquest is for most people - a constant push to level up.

Other classes are more involved - like for example mages. But they are much more suited to stay alive in everquest. They have way more tools in their belt (gate etc.). To say rogues are the easiest class to play -I can only agree if you are talking about high end content.

Loke
07-29-2016, 10:46 AM
I agree with Gimp that bard is probably the most difficult to play well. Playing a bard well requires knowledge of all classes more so than any other class imo. I've mained monk, war, bard, and ench, and bard was the most complex of those imo.

Easiest? Non-tanking warrior, dps monk, lazy rog, lazy wizard.

Druid is actually a pretty complex class imo, but due to low expectations and people under valuing druids I think most people who play them have it pretty easy. Most druids are horrible at using their mana efficiently, but people usually don't seem to care. Clerics are kind of the same. There is a big difference between a good cleric and a bad cleric, but most people just expect them to land CH on time, keep up buffs, and don't really care what they're doing otherwise.

Fabby
08-29-2016, 11:57 PM
Mage. Recycling pets solo...Assist macro grped...vending machine and coth on raids.

That enchanter, shaman, and bard got votes boggles my mind.

Trungep99
08-30-2016, 08:46 AM
Of course rogue is the easiest. You have like 5 buttons possibly fewer to utilize.

Kaziel
08-30-2016, 09:12 AM
But your question is EVERQUEST not p99

so the answer is Beastlords.

Beastlords can be pretty active if you're filling in for Shamans, keeping up Fero, positioning pet correctly. Certainly harder than other classes.

Videri
08-30-2016, 01:14 PM
Is the question being asked so somebody's kid(s) can play? That might help guide the voting. Also, kids are smart and can figure out stuff given time, opportunity, and support.

Chaboo_Cleric
08-30-2016, 01:36 PM
Katrik Is my girl

skarlorn
09-01-2016, 10:36 PM
any class with FD is easiest