Should I give this guy my Fishbone Earring?

[Droog007]

This is only my 3rd Fishbone Earring on P99 (or even on Live, for that matter), but what I've learned from my time camping him is this: If you don't know within a pretty narrow span of time that he is going to spawn, you're really camping a logged timestamp so you can be paying attention at the correct moment for the next spawn. This is what I've been doing these last few days, in an effort to score an earring for a new alt. During this time, I encountered Eivy, L60 epic ranger from <Fires of Heaven>, also trying to bag Hadden.


[Sun Jul 17 01:02:48 2016] Eivy regards you indifferently -- what would you like your tombstone to say?
[Sun Jul 17 01:09:37 2016] Eivy says, 'hello can I help you?'
[Sun Jul 17 01:32:44 2016] Eivy tells you, 'hadden is camped.'

[Sun Jul 17 02:50:58 2016] Hadden says 'Ah.. (spawn #1 engaged)
[Sun Jul 17 10:03:49 2016] Hadden says 'Ah.. (spawn #2 engaged)
[Sun Jul 17 16:26:57 2016] Hadden says 'Arrrhhh.. (spawn #3 killed, exact time of death known)


So I logged in at Hadden camp about 18 minutes prior to the spawn. I see Eivy is there again. I decided that since he was there first, I'll give him a 20-count before I start casting my 6.1 second nuke, and if he engages Hadden before I have the kill locked up with a second nuke, I'll cancel it and let him have the kill. This is more of a grace period than I would expect to be given if I were in his shoes - if you want exclusive access to a mob, you have to be actively camping it. This is what I've read from the CSR guys again and again, and I believe it's fair.

Hadden spawns, with no fishing pole, at the expected time:
(~Sun Jul 17 22:26:57 2016)

Here's the log of the battle:

[Sun Jul 17 22:27:32 2016] Hadden says, 'Ah.. Though you appear so puny, I'm sure your flesh will make good bait!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:32 2016] Hadden was hit by non-melee for 500 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:32 2016] Hadden's skin burns away.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:33 2016] Hadden bashes YOU for 6 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:33 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:33 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:35 2016] You begin casting Drain Soul.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:36 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:36 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:39 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:39 2016] Hadden hits YOU for 53 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:41 2016] Your spell is interrupted.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:41 2016] Hadden bashes YOU for 5 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:42 2016] Hadden hits YOU for 10 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:42 2016] You begin casting Drain Soul.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:43 2016] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:43 2016] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:45 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:47 2016] Your Ignite Bones spell has worn off.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:48 2016] Hadden tries to punch YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] Vaegar beams a smile at Hadden
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] Vaegar says 'Ahhh, I feel much better now...'
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] Hadden was hit by non-melee for 338 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] Hadden staggers.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] Hadden tries to kick YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:51 2016] Hadden tries to punch YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:51 2016] Eivy tries to slash Hadden, but misses! (54 seconds after the spawn, by my estimate)
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:51 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 15 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:51 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 41 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:51 2016] Eivy kicks Hadden for 24 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:52 2016] You begin casting Ignite Bones.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:52 2016] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:52 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:52 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:52 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:53 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:53 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:53 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 50 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:53 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 29 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:53 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Hadden tries to punch YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Hadden punches YOU for 5 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 62 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy tries to slash Hadden, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 51 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:55 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 37 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:56 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 31 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:56 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 36 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:56 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 11 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:56 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 13 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:56 2016] Eivy tries to kick Hadden, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 67 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Hadden has been slain by Eivy!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Your faction standing with AntoniusBayle got worse.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Your faction standing with CircleofUnseenHands got better.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Your faction standing with CoalitionofTradeFolk got worse.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Your faction standing with GuardsofQeynos could not possibly get any worse.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Your faction standing with MerchantsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Hadden says 'Arrrhhh.. The Merchants of Qeynos.. are many.. and powerful.. ..you won't get away.. with.. this.. hor.. orr.. rible.. .. ..'
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:58 2016] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:58 2016] You try to cast a spell on Haddenscorpse, but they are protected.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:03 2016] You receive 1 platinum, 4 gold, 5 silver and 3 copper from the corpse.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:04 2016] --You have looted a Fishbone Earring.--
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:22 2016] It will take you about 30 seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:25 2016] Eivy says, 'petitioned'
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:26 2016] It will take about 25 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:31 2016] It will take about 20 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:34 2016] You told Eivy, 'I gave you about 30 seconds ... just a little too AFK'
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:36 2016] It will take about 15 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:41 2016] It will take about 10 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:46 2016] It will take about 5 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:52 2016] Eivy tells you, 'camp stealing is frowned apon'

And the ensuing conversation, after I logged over to the rogue project:


[Sun Jul 17 22:37:49 2016] You told eivy, 'if a GM rules that I didn't wait long enough before engaging Hadden to respect your camp, then I'll give you the earring. But I gave you a 20 count and then started casting a 6-second spell... you engaged 19 seconds later '
[Sun Jul 17 22:39:24 2016] You told eivy, 'which makes you about 40 seconds late to the party... the rules I've read state that if you want to lay claim to a mob you have to engage them quickly... if that's quick enough in their eyes, then so be it.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:41:25 2016] You told eivy, 'Hadden's been killed many times when I was AFK at that camp, I didn't petition any of those folks ;)'
[Sun Jul 17 22:41:39 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you stole the mob ive been camping and if you gonna try to throw the rule book well you have to wait 20 mins then you can engage if not taken'
[Sun Jul 17 22:42:00 2016] You told Eivy, 'where's 20 minutes documented?'
[Sun Jul 17 22:42:26 2016] Eivy tells you, 'Its that way for stormfeather'
[Sun Jul 17 22:42:39 2016] Eivy tells you, 'and any other mob thats being held as a camp'
[Sun Jul 17 22:43:04 2016] You told Eivy, 'see, I don't really think that's the case .. it needs to scale with the spawn time'
[Sun Jul 17 22:43:23 2016] Eivy tells you, 'if not engaged the next person in line has the right to take it.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:43:46 2016] Eivy tells you, 'not after 20 or 30 seconds. you basicly stole my mob which is petitionable'
[Sun Jul 17 22:43:59 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you have to wait longer .'
[Sun Jul 17 22:44:02 2016] You told Eivy, 'that's fine, if you get a response direct them to me'
[Sun Jul 17 22:44:40 2016] You told Eivy, 'I would expect the same treatment ... it's a 0 variance timer. It's not difficult to get the timer and know exactly when to be paying attention'
[Sun Jul 17 22:48:25 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you think you can just come and sit in someone camp and kill there mob theyve been camping you got another thing comming. '
[Sun Jul 17 22:48:59 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you are wrong so ill be speaking to your GL aswell'
[Sun Jul 17 22:49:06 2016] You told Eivy, 'lol ... you can't be AFK in the vicinity of a spawn point and call it "camping" now, can you? In that case I had my Hadden stolen about 5 times in the last few days'
[Sun Jul 17 22:49:41 2016] Eivy tells you, 'so you think cause yours got stolen you can do that to other people? what a prick.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:50:11 2016] You told Eivy, 'I saw you there. I knew you were attempting to get the spawn - but you were not paying attention at the critical moment. This is a burden that is upon the camper. Camping a spawn comes with responsibilities'
[Sun Jul 17 22:50:30 2016] You told Eivy, 'no, I'm saying it's not theft if the "camper" is AFK.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:50:50 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you dont be a prick and steal someones mob theyve been camping that just plain out fucked up and rude shows what kinda of a person you are'
[Sun Jul 17 22:51:38 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you shouldnt even of been near my camp at all . you saw I was here so you should of left not stayed to gank my mob'
[Sun Jul 17 22:51:39 2016] You told Eivy, 'I've also been "camping" it for a few days now... I just played it smart and knew when to be on the ball.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:01 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you shouldnt even of been near my camp at all . you saw I was here so you should of left not stayed to gank my mob!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:03 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you shouldnt even of been near my camp at all . you saw I was here so you should of left not stayed to gank my mob!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:06 2016] You told Eivy, 'no... people AFK there all the time to obtain the timer'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:14 2016] You told Eivy, 'that does not entitle them to the next spawn'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:30 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you shouldnt of even been here at my fucking camp !'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:44 2016] Eivy tells you, 'only reason you were is to steal the mob cause you had the timer !'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:55 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you are wrong!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:53:04 2016] You told Eivy, 'I can be anywhere in Norrath ... you don't get exclusive rights to an area of the world.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:53:05 2016] Eivy tells you, 'thats camp stealing ! period!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:53:30 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you came in and took a mob that was being camped by someone . you are wrong period!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:53:42 2016] You told Eivy, 'I gave you what I would consider to be enough time to engage the mob if you were actually "camping" it, by my definition of camping.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:54:11 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you gave me shit and killed my mob! 20 or 30 seconds are you kidding me? you are wrong'
[Sun Jul 17 22:54:23 2016] You told Eivy, 'as I've said - if someone did the same thing to me, I would not be the slightest bit rankled'
[Sun Jul 17 22:54:23 2016] Eivy tells you, 'thats camp stealing !'
[Sun Jul 17 22:54:36 2016] You told Eivy, 'that's for GMs to decide'
[Sun Jul 17 22:55:16 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you have made yourself and your guild look bad. good job ! ill be getting to the bottem of this. '
[Sun Jul 17 22:55:26 2016] You told Eivy, 'even if you had engaged the mob within a few seconds of spawning, I would have wanted to be there so that I could know the precise time of death for the next cycle.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:57:06 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you stole the mob and earring ive been camping. you are wrong for doing so return the earring before I make your eq life hell.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:58:34 2016] You told Eivy, 'sorry ... as I've said, if the GMs think I didn't wait long enough - that's fine.'


So what do you guys think? Eivy turned this over to the GMs via a petition, and also /tellblasted my guildleader (Dulas of Azure Guard) just like he indicated he would - but if the community can convince me I was in the wrong, I'll hand the earring to Eivy and resume the hunt.

[Evia]

I don't think Eivy was actively camping the mob. Therefore the mob was fair game imho.

[Pokesan]

this is disgusting

[Spyder73]

I think you are both sick men for still camping Hadden

[Sodors Finest Poster]

We need a new subforum category for lawyer questing.

Maybe add polls that would lead to a community-lead arbitration ruling.

[FatMice]

Whoever has a paler skin complexion wins.

Commence posting pictures.

[Cecily]

I had the name Eivy on my first ranger here. Deleted her at like level 14 or so. I'm inclined to back OP on this, but would side with Eivy if she got the KS. Should always keep calefaction loaded for this type of stuff.

[Sorn]

Turning this over to community 'decision' after it's already a petition is bad form.

Let the GMs and your guild leader sort it out.

[gprater]

Since you asked for opinions:

If i come to a camp and someone is there, I leave. That person was there first. I wouldnt try and take by using a time limit (real or imagined) I would move on and play the game.

/only comment on this

[Jay F Kay]

You're all just ONE Pabst Blue Ribbon away........




http://i.imgur.com/jHtJse3.png

[Bionic]

Dude, you gave them 20 seconds. If they can't sit at their computer and pop-sock that 6 hour timer like real gamerz, they don't disserve to gain any platz.

Well done. Killin' it, brah!

[Izmael]

Give him the earring and reroll on Red.

[Muggens]

Why act like this at all? Why not msg Eivy to check if he is afk when Hadden popped. Id give it a least a couple of mins of no reply then Id engage. Eivy is a nice guy/gal, and why not because of the community? Seems to me ur fingers was trembling over a fishbone earring... He despawns after 20 min btw if im correct.

[Jauna]

Eivy is a nice guy/gal

I dunno, anyone who throws a temper tantrum by saying "DO WHAT I SAY OR UR GONNA BE IN SO MUCH TROOOOUUUUBLLLLLLLLLLE!" does not really deserve anything. And the "im telling daddy" part right before the end was great.

[Shodo]

I don't know what the technical time limit might be, but twenty seconds definitely seems a bit quick. I'd wait at least a minute or two, after sending them a tell. Sure, they have to be present and not just afk-camping it, but shit happens. Shouldn't have to lose a 6-hour spawn just because the phone rang/door knocked/etc.

[Cecily]

I think Eivy is under the mistaken impression that someone camping a mob has twenty mins to engage. That's absolutely incorrect and I'm happy we have a chance to clear that up. The 20 min engage rule applies to triggered spawns involving item turn-ins. Ragefire, Xenovorash, Scout Charisa, etc. In this case your mob spawned and you weren't there to kill it. It sucks but OP didn't do anything wrong imo.

[azeth]

so you're lawyer questing your way into a fishbone earring huh?

summary of events

1. eivy has been camping hadden seemingly for days
2. OP shows up and decides to be a buttchugging creeper and big brother the camp
3. eivy drops some hot pocket on his lap and misses the hadden spawn by 52 seconds
4. buttchugger steals his shit and here we are

[Muggens]

so you're lawyer questing your way into a fishbone earring huh?

summary of events

1. eivy has been camping hadden seemingly for days
2. OP shows up and decides to be a buttchugging creeper and big brother the camp
3. eivy drops some hot pocket on his lap and misses the hadden spawn by 52 seconds
4. buttchugger steals his shit and here we are

Yeah, and as some dude above me mentioned, Eivy couldve been answering a doorbell or whatever. Its just a game for 30+ year old fellas/gamergals that wanna relax sometimes, I mean com'on.

[Cecily]

I don't think anyone from a high end raiding guild should be shaming someone for lawyer questing. It's not about whether it's the nice or right thing to do. Lawyer quest never is. It's about whether his action was legal according to our server rules.

[Tecmos Deception]

20 minutes. Lol.

[Sage Truthbearer]

√ See someone is clearly camping hadden
√ Get spawn timer
√ Log back right before next pop, count 20 seconds and kill
√ Post thread on public forums

Totally cool and normal behavior

[Ele]

You didn't even say hello?

[beel]

I'd give it to Eivy, he/she was obviously not any more AFK than being under a minute away.

[indiscriminate_hater]

√ See someone is clearly camping hadden
√ Don't say anything
√ Get spawn timer
√ Log back right before next pop, count 20 seconds and kill
√ Post thread on public forums

Totally cool and normal behavior

Seriously. Does Azure Guard condone this type of behavior? OP - regardless of GM decision, save yourself and your guild some face and hand over the earring. This story is one of the most pathetic rule-lawyering attempts I've ever seen

[Jauna]

Does Azure Guard condone this type of behavior?
Why does every argument always come down to whos in what guild?

[Ele]

Why does every argument always come down to whos in what guild?

because if they aren't with me, they are against me


tl;dr tribalism

[Gumbo]

I don't know either of the two players so I can't say anything about them but I will leave this comment...

A level 60 Ranger who has been camping Hadden for days? The earring sells in the tunnel for like 2-3K. Go buy it!

I'm sure a level 60 Ranger can make a few thousand in less than a day and not waste all that time, hoping the right spawn pops.

[Pokesan]

Why does every argument always come down to whos in what guild?

no guild should support dickishness

[Zorlon]

This server is such a shit hole.

[Jauna]

no guild should support dickishness

So basically, if you are not winning an argument, go tattle on them to their parents?

Or, if you cant win, let them burn as well?

Maybe both?

[Pokesan]

So basically, if you are not winning an argument, go tattle on them to their parents?

Or, if you cant win, let them burn as well?

Maybe both?

Do you consider that a reasonable description of what occurred here, based on the logs posted?

[Jauna]

Do you consider that a reasonable description of what occurred here, based on the logs posted?

Not the point, I am just wondering why people pull the "guild card" in every argument.

Infact, this needs a name like Godwin's Law..

[Pokesan]

Not the point, I am just wondering why people pull the "guild card" in every argument.

Infact, this needs a name like Godwin's Law..


Seems like an irrelevant tangent - what guild are you in?

[Jauna]

Seems like an irrelevant tangent - what guild are you in?

Does your guild know you are dodging a question on an online forum?

You bring much shame to yourself and the people who are not involved in this in any way.

Omg I feel a weird sense of accomplishment like I got the upper hand somehow

SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS FEELING

[Pokesan]

Does your guild know you are dodging a question on an online forum?

You bring much shame to yourself and the people who are not involved in this in any way.

Omg I feel a weird sense of accomplishment like I got the upper hand somehow

SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS FEELING

It's called delusion.

[Hasbinbad]

OP is in the right. Eivy lost their camp when they did not immediately engage popped static outdoor mob.

20 min? LOL

[Crawdad]

Should I give this guy my Fishbone Earring?

No. Whether or not you said hello/sat around for kill timer, duder took too long. Every single 29+er who runs through QHills checks Hadden and would've killed him in less than the 20 seconds you gave the ranger.

Whining to a guild leader over a Fishbone earring ruined any sympathy I might have had.

[Vandil]

I think both players need to step back for a moment and contemplate that they are fighting over pixels that render an item in a database, that's hosted on a fan-made server of a fan-made recreation of a game from a 2001 patch level.

Calm down. Go outside and take a deep breath. P99 is to enjoy the nostalgia of the game back in the day, but don't let this game ruin your life by taking it seriously.

[Crawdad]

I think both players need to step back for a moment and contemplate that they are fighting over pixels that render an item in a database, that's hosted on a fan-made server of a fan-made recreation of a game from a 2001 patch level.

Calm down. Go outside and take a deep breath. P99 is to enjoy the nostalgia of the game back in the day, but don't let this game ruin your life by taking it seriously.

The 'fight' seems awfully one sided to me. OP keeps a rational tone in the wall-of-text and clearly feels bad for how it went down. Ranger duder seems to be wigging out though.. you're 60, go farm named in TT and just buy the damn FB earring.

[mtkoan]

I think both players need to step back for a moment and contemplate that they are fighting over pixels that render an item in a database, that's hosted on a fan-made server of a fan-made recreation of a game from a 2001 patch level.

Calm down. Go outside and take a deep breath. P99 is to enjoy the nostalgia of the game back in the day, but don't let this game ruin your life by taking it seriously.

http://i.imgur.com/jfqfLUA.gif

[Droog007]

In Eivy's (and my own) defense, I have access to multiple L60 characters with which I can farm plat to buy things in EC. That's not how I like to play the game, though. I like to camp what I "need", and get it solo if at all possible. Part of that challenge is doing the prep work to get dialed in on a static camp like Hadden rather than waste hours staring at the spawn point (or being distracted and missing it).

I really just don't think that someone standing around AFK at a spawn point qualifies as camping something. It's entirely possible that Eivy only engaged when he did because he was alerted by the sounds of me blowing it up.

[mtkoan]

... I like to camp what I "need", and get it solo if at all possible. ...

I don't need these pixels, I can quit at anytime LOL.

(counts to seconds on watch to justify flagrant ass-wipery)

[Droog007]

Now now, there was no stopwatch. Just a 20-count. I said that's what I'd do, and I did it.

Again, I'd expect the same treatment if I was AFK at Hadden, even if I was "there for hours".

[Destron]

This server is such a shit hole.

so you're lawyer questing your way into a fishbone earring huh?

summary of events

1. eivy has been camping hadden seemingly for days
2. OP shows up and decides to be a buttchugging creeper and big brother the camp
3. eivy drops some hot pocket on his lap and misses the hadden spawn by 52 seconds
4. buttchugger steals his shit and here we are

[Droog007]

[Fri Jul 15 19:37:06 2016] Kubos tells you, 'are you there?'
[Fri Jul 15 19:37:07 2016] You told Kubos, 'AFK Message: Yes, I am camping Hadden. I don't have the timer yet, so if he pops when I'm AFK, lucky you!'

[Jauna]

It's called delusion.

I require more of this feeling.

[mtkoan]

Now now, there was no stopwatch. Just a 20-count. I said that's what I'd do, and I did it.

Again, I'd expect the same treatment if I was AFK at Hadden, even if I was "there for hours".

Counting to 20 instead of watching your clock decreases your level of autism from a quantifiable 9 to an 8. So that's great.

I would give it back because I'm not a piece of shit.

But I also know where I am. If there is a warm center to the internet, p99 is the farthest place from it. What's the point of pixels if you can't poop on someone else's face AMIRITE

[maskedmelon]

So much venom towards OP. Honestly, wow. I hadn't really thought about this rule and personally wouldn't have taken it, but can also say it wouldnt have been taken from me. I'd have stared at the damn screen and been on Hadden as soon as he spawned. That's part of the reason I don't camp things^^ 20 seconds seems really short, but when you stop and think about it, what was she doing???? :( Sux that she lost it, but can't blame anyone when had she just followed custom, she'd have won.

[Tasslehofp99]

Hypothetical: I was camping Skeletal warlord PH's in Karnors for 2 days straight, and one spawned with a staff but was pulled before I could get to it. Do I have any right to that T-staff? Of course not.


Pretty much same thing going on here. I can sit anywhere I want in norrath while AFK, that doesn't give me camping rights of something and never has in the history of p99.



OP should have just camped as soon as he looted earring, not responded to the butthurt newb that stupidly went AFK while camping a long respawn mob, and went about his business.

[mtkoan]

... but can't blame anyone when had she just followed custom, she'd have won.

Blaming OP works pretty good too.

[dallow2345]

you lawyerquested the rules down to the millisecond. Of course you completely missed the point of the play nice policies is to play nice.

[Gumbo]

I wouldn't worry about this too much since I just saw Eivy in the EC tunnel trying to sell the earring for 3K.

[Droog007]

I wouldn't worry about this too much since I just saw Eivy in the EC tunnel trying to sell the earring for 3K.

Haha ... case closed. Thanks everyone.

[maskedmelon]

Blaming OP works pretty good too.

no that is irrational. Should have had a "she" in there before cant blame anyone and and an else. I know I'd have blamed myself and it wouldn'thave happened again because I refuse to be trampled.

[NegaStoat]

In my humble opinion, there's two ways that are acceptable in dealing with taking over a camp.

1) All the spawns of a camp are present and not waiting on respawn, and no players are present to camp them. Assume that this is about 1-4 mobs within LOS of your standing point indoors, or only a single spawn outdoors as per GM's making the ruling that one player can only 'camp' one outdoor spawn point. Which is a crap rule but it's what I've been told and what I've seen enforced.

2) The location is camped, but a mob has just respawned. Send a /tell to the camper saying "spawn is up" and do a /time check for the chat scroll, and take a screenshot. Wait 2 full minutes. Do another /time and take a screenshot, and then kill the mob if the camper is still silent and immobile. Congrats, you did your duty with the "Play Nice" server rule and no one's going to scream at you.

What you did with only waiting less than 30 seconds to engage is going to become subject to different GM speculation on what is 'right'. Covering your ass with the above removes the time variable from question. So in short, hand the earring over.

[Teppler]

I don't know this camp but if it's multiple hours and the person was waiting multiple hours and you didn't even give him 1 minute to engage, that's pretty rough.

[Faywind]

you lawyerquested the rules down to the millisecond. Of course you completely missed the point of the play nice policies is to play nice.

This...

The mob is technically OP's, however, he is still kind of a dick for taking it after 20 seconds. Just sayin. :p

Sometimes I am embarrassed playing here because of how bad our name is. I have friends who won't play here because "They hear it's a shithole". This behaviour just clearly adds to that.

Carry on!

[Pogslammer]

OP was in the wrong imo. Giving the person less than a minute is just crap.

[Tycoon]

Keep the earring. Eivy can kick rocks.

[Lunababy]

why is there even elf simulator pixel drama over such a low-tier item?

[Tingowingo]

My respect was lost when OP mentioned FoH and it reminded me of how their guild leader, officers, and members turned a blind eye when Lunatick was doing his fiasco in PoM. So meh on any FoHs deserving an earring that they lost FTE on on a camp that is not bound to a player-made agreement but to the established 'camp policy' that rules over these small camps. Just gotta be more not AFK.

[Nuffwin]

I've camped countless of Haddens for months and seen countless douche moves.

Not giving 1 min to engage is by the book. But not nice. And you should play nice.

[Jimjam]

OP, what's you're character name? Only seems fair to name both parties if either party is named.

[spikeviking]

Total dick move taking it when I was in discord talking about the following weeks raids. No tells, no being nice, no respect. Just greed in your eyes cause you hadnt gotten one all weekend. Makes me sick. I was gone for 10 15 secs. He sat there and took the mob cause he had the timer. I threw the 20min to engage thing out cause I thought it was something like that in a sense, no need to be LOLing at that. He got the kill cause I was gone. oh well. I lost 2k plat I dont give a shit life goes on.

[Phenyo]

Total dick move taking it when I was in discord talking about the following weeks raids. No tells, no being nice, no respect. Just greed in your eyes cause you hadnt gotten one all weekend. Makes me sick. I was gone for 10 15 secs. He sat there and took the mob cause he had the timer. I threw the 20min to engage thing out cause I thought it was something like that in a sense, no need to be LOLing at that. He got the kill cause I was gone. oh well. I lost 2k plat I dont give a shit life goes on.

Your triggered rant implies otherwise. Don't act like you or your guild mates wouldn't leap frog a noob to a cracked staff.

[spikeviking]

OP, what's you're character name? Only seems fair to name both parties if either party is named.
Vaegar is the necro who did the ks and Shaylah a 23 rog of AG his alt. who knows what his other chars names are, hes just gonna hide out and cower, trying to justify his actions by putting the logs of me annoyed out there to make himself look good.

[spikeviking]

Your triggered rant implies otherwise. Don't act like you or your guild mates wouldn't leap frog a noob to a cracked staff.

Are you another one of those nerds who just reads the forums all day and post smart ass comments after every post, just to up your post stats and go up from a scrawny gnoll to a orc. To flex your ego cause you can word stuff all fancy and what not. Do you even play the game. Prolly not. If any of my guild mates did that to someone and this issue came across my path, Id tell them to do the right thing and give the item to the person who was camping it, but thats not how this server works is it? He can have the earring, I just thought some people here and who have played live would show the respect to others who are holding a camp. Not just sit there and wait gank a mob someone else is camping.

[Phenyo]

Are you another one of those nerds who just reads the forums all day and post smart ass comments after every post, just to up your post stats and go up from a scrawny gnoll to a orc. To flex your ego cause you can word stuff all fancy and what not. Do you even play the game. Prolly not. If any of my guild mates did that to someone and this issue came across my path, Id tell them to do the right thing and give the item to the person who was camping it, but thats not how this server works is it? He can have the earring, I just thought some people here and who have played live would show the respect to others who are holding a camp. Not just sit there and wait gank a mob someone else is camping.

Didn't read but platinum mad LOL

[Ravager]

Didn't read but platinum mad LOL

Why is it funny that someone gets mad because someone else is wasting their time? Seems like very normal human behavior. Laughing at someone for that, however, is kind of abnormal.

[Phenyo]

Why is it funny that someone gets mad because someone else is wasting their time? Seems like very normal human behavior. Laughing at someone for that, however, is kind of abnormal.

The guy who lost the fishbone wasted his own time by going afk at a camp and losing his mob. You know what would be the smart thing to do? Take it to petitions and not make themselves look like an angry nerd sperging out on the forums.

There's nothing to be gained by getting vexed on here and ultimately the guides (if they could even the slightest shit about this) are the ones that will sort it out. Think its time some people took a little break away from the poopsocking and got some sunshine!

[fadetree]

Ha, you know, over the years I've read countless flame threads over this kind of issue. They always follow the exact same pattern, with people raising the same points and objections, right down to lawyering and guild attacks. Seems like there ought to be a sociology or psych paper in here somewhere if you do some statistics.

I looked deep within myself about how I feel about the dramatic incident being discussed here, and I found that I just don't give a crap.

[maskedmelon]

Eivy is not a nice person. I no longer have any pity for herm.

[Laugher]

Did not read much of anything here, but fte is fte OP, gj in that sense hehe

[JackFlash]

If you are sitting at hadden not paying attention you deserved to get ganked by the people who know the timer. If you have the timer then dumb.

[Pokesan]

Why is it funny that someone gets mad because someone else is wasting their time? Seems like very normal human behavior. Laughing at someone for that, however, is kind of abnormal.

because phenyo is a garbage poster

[Atmas]

So 20 minutes was laughable but 20 seconds is just ludicrous. That is just some greedy scavenging. I'm sure there has been a ruling on an issue like this before, I'm too lazy too look it up, but I'm pretty sure it was something in the minutes not seconds.

No matter what all the trolls say on here, camps are recognized. FTE only applies to raid targets. This thread is 9 pages too long because it was made.

[Hasbinbad]

*wall of text explaining why i give a shit*

I dont give a shit life goes on.

[Hasbinbad]

After reading eivy's replies:

1.) keep the earring. fuck eivy.
2.) LOL
3.) eivy mad af. slamming keyboard while typing.

[Thulack]

So 20 minutes was laughable but 20 seconds is just ludicrous. That is just some greedy scavenging. I'm sure there has been a ruling on an issue like this before, I'm too lazy too look it up, but I'm pretty sure it was something in the minutes not seconds.

No matter what all the trolls say on here, camps are recognized. FTE only applies to raid targets. This thread is 9 pages too long because it was made.

Camps are recognized. You also cant be AFK at a camp though with mobs up and try and claim it. Smart people set timers for before something pops so you know your at the pc when it does. 20 second was too short but we dont know how long Eivy would have been afk if it wasnt probably for the sound of the battle happening.

[Cecily]

because phenyo is a garbage poster

Phenyo is fantastic poster who has great taste in music. (https://youtu.be/PWmfNeLs7fA)

[Amyas]

So 20 minutes was laughable but 20 seconds is just ludicrous. That is just some greedy scavenging. I'm sure there has been a ruling on an issue like this before, I'm too lazy too look it up, but I'm pretty sure it was something in the minutes not seconds.

No matter what all the trolls say on here, camps are recognized. FTE only applies to raid targets. This thread is 9 pages too long because it was made.

I could pet my dog and miss 20 secs of watch the screen time.

[Vandil]

There was a joke me and a few friends would play on Live (pre-Luclin). We had a toon named "Haddon" who looked just like Hadden and had him standing right on the spawn spot. He would be Invis'd and would click off the Invis to "spawn".

Watching people trying to attack him was hilarious.

We had dialogue macros all set up to say things like:

"As you see, things have changed."
"Many people want to fight me for my earring, but I did not bring it today! Be gone!"
"You have ruined your own lands, but you won't ruin my fishing! Get lost!"

The only time we got in trouble for it was when the real Hadden spawned while we were messing around and our toon was superimposed on him, preventing proper targeting.

[Spyder73]

How about I give each of you 1.5k to buy one in EC and we delete this thread? Message me on Pint, Aziraphael, Innie, or Ginfizzie for payment.

[Phenyo]

How about I give each of you 1.5k to buy one in EC and we delete this thread? Message me on Pint, Aziraphael, Innie, or Ginfizzie for payment.

Karma doesn't bend that way, can't trick the universe into getting your name back.

[Jimjam]

My favourite part of this is how OP gave away a fix on Hadden's timer, which could have made it more difficult for E to subsequently get his own Fishbone earring.

[Rygar]

There was a joke me and a few friends would play on Live (pre-Luclin). We had a toon named "Haddon" who looked just like Hadden and had him standing right on the spawn spot. He would be Invis'd and would click off the Invis to "spawn".

Watching people trying to attack him was hilarious.

We had dialogue macros all set up to say things like:

"As you see, things have changed."
"Many people want to fight me for my earring, but I did not bring it today! Be gone!"
"You have ruined your own lands, but you won't ruin my fishing! Get lost!"

The only time we got in trouble for it was when the real Hadden spawned while we were messing around and our toon was superimposed on him, preventing proper targeting.

This is freaking hilarious. Totally makes me want to do that. Maybe even make a Hasten Bootstrutter or whatever the jboots guy is and run around and have people hailing me to try and get me to stop so they can give me their gold.... but they will be so encumbered they can't keep up! MUWAHAHAHAHA!! Can see the /ooc now... 'Is Hasten bugged?' or 'Someone hail Hasten please!'.

Thank you for this.

[Cecily]

This is freaking hilarious. Totally makes me want to do that. Maybe even make a Hasten Bootstrutter or whatever the jboots guy is and run around and have people hailing me to try and get me to stop so they can give me their gold.... but they will be so encumbered they can't keep up! MUWAHAHAHAHA!! Can see the /ooc now... 'Is Hasten bugged?' or 'Someone hail Hasten please!'.

Thank you for this.

It's alot easier to just lock people in NFP bank.

[Tasslehofp99]

How about I give each of you 1.5k to buy one in EC and we delete this thread? Message me on Pint, Aziraphael, Innie, or Ginfizzie for payment.

rofl.

[beyondinfin]

There was a joke me and a few friends would play on Live (pre-Luclin). We had a toon named "Haddon" who looked just like Hadden and had him standing right on the spawn spot. He would be Invis'd and would click off the Invis to "spawn".

Watching people trying to attack him was hilarious.

We had dialogue macros all set up to say things like:

"As you see, things have changed."
"Many people want to fight me for my earring, but I did not bring it today! Be gone!"
"You have ruined your own lands, but you won't ruin my fishing! Get lost!"

The only time we got in trouble for it was when the real Hadden spawned while we were messing around and our toon was superimposed on him, preventing proper targeting.

Messing around in EQ, and having ....FUN!? Now That's Classic!

[Hasbinbad]

It's alot easier to just lock people in NFP bank.
on live I had blocks of [quest text] set up to get people to enter that room, lol.

[Droog007]

Thanks, but I got the earring that I wanted. No EC required. Eivy was selling one in EC the following day, so apparently he got lucky on a subsequent spawn.

I probably would have given more slack to a true noob, but a L60 epic ranger in a guild that raids should know how this stuff works. I felt a tiny bit bad until I found out that he's just farming Hadden for plat. I'm sorry if some of you guys do that too, but I just think it's a little lame.

I'm an officer in Azure Guard. My principal characters are Grizluk and Drogun, but I play many others. Most people in Azure Guard are genuinely gracious and kind, but I tend a bit more toward the anti-social. I only expect people, including myself, to play by the rules.

[Jimjam]

It's alot easier to just lock people in NFP bank.

I did something similar to this... to myself :S

I was playing my wizard, and was pretty happy having just handed in a set of four gnoll scrolls in Qeynos. Naturally I grab 100pp as small change for any adventures before gating out to North Karana.


When I got in zone I couldn't move. Checked auto run... nope. Checked esdf... nope. Checked mouserun... nope. Checked inventory... oops.

Unfortunately I deposited that 100pp into my copper instead of my plat and was encumbered in place in NK just where the griffons like to pass.

Fortunately, I had a cunning plan!

Luckily I was bound in a zone with a bank. My plan, cunning as it was, was to gate back to that zone and spam shadowstep until I could find an NPC to open a trade window with. Then, whilst the trade window held the weight I could run out of trade distance in the direction of the bank.

I continued like this for some time, spamming shadowstep and hope to end up at an NPC closer to the bank than the previous, opening a trade window with it then running as far as I could to the bank until the trade window closed and I was once again encumbered.

It was quite the adventure, taking quite some time. Fortunately I didn't have to destroy that 100000 copper as the plan in the end worked!

[Hasbinbad]

AG confirmed a good and decent guild.

[Skinned]

Definitely should belong to the guy camping Hadden, even if he had to use the bathroom. This looks like a KS to me.

If he was there when you got there, yes for sure.

[drktmplr12]

We need a new subforum category for lawyer questing.

Maybe add polls that would lead to a community-lead arbitration ruling.

this is actually a fantastic idea

[snergle]

this type of thing happens and is endemic of the server.

I was on my lvl 40 alt duoing the ss camp in droga. We were clearing the entire circle around ss's room and ss's room. aftermath necro ran by while we were in the pool room pulling / killing goblins. tell us that we lost the camp because we left. gms take to long to respond and we eventually leave for the night despite still killing everything we were but the ss room.

I was leveling my main and was duoing frenzy and ce and lower frenzy pops venerate shm and monk runs in and says its his and we can get fucked because we were fighting spiders we pulled from the very top for xp. I argue with them and they eventually leave but he still got a bracer off frenzy.

I can go on but those are the most recent. Happens like once a month to me so its annoying but not a big enough problem to get upset about. I never rules lawyer people out of their camp and I have had opportunities to. I just ask when they think they will be gone and to let me know when they leave so I can take the camp.

[drktmplr12]

tell us that we lost the camp because we left.

pretty certain that isn't how it works. i believe they are supposed to ask you which area you would like to keep..

where do people get this idea that they can pick for someone else? :confused:

[Jauna]

this is actually a fantastic idea

Because everyone going every which way with their own interests and the fact people love to troll just to troll makes this such a wonderful idea, right?

[Cecily]

pretty certain that isn't how it works. i believe they are supposed to ask you which area you would like to keep..

where do people get this idea that they can pick for someone else? :confused:

The server is overrun with people that have poor understanding of the rules. Then those people use their own wrong interpretations to kick others out of camps, take their named spawns, etc like what happened to snergle. This is why a community poll of illiterates might not be in the best interest of anyone.

[Jimjam]

The server is overrun with people that have poor understanding of the rules. Then those people use their own wrong interpretations to kick others out of camps, take their named spawns, etc like what happened to snergle. This is why a community poll of illiterates might not be in the best interest of anyone.

Jury is out.

[Bristlebaner]

Eivy is wrong. End of thread.

[Hasbinbad]

Eivy is wrong. End of thread.
tru

[Lojik]

I think an afk autoboot feature could potentially solve some of these dilemmas.

[maskedmelon]

I think an afk autoboot feature could potentially solve some of these dilemmas.

Could make EC fun again ^^

[Alanus]

If Eivy killed the most recent spawn, he/she should know when the repop was due. So a 20 minute AFK is a bit long. You also engaged first.

However, camping long spawns sucks and everyone goes AFK between spawns. So it was kind of a dick move to do that over a 2k fishbone earring.

So, legally, I think you are in the right, but it was still somewhat of a dick move.

[Ravager]

The server is overrun with people that have poor understanding of the rules. Then those people use their own wrong interpretations to kick others out of camps, take their named spawns, etc like what happened to snergle. This is why a community poll of illiterates might not be in the best interest of anyone.

Cecily for Guide 2016!

[georgie]

This is only my 3rd Fishbone Earring on P99 (or even on Live, for that matter), but what I've learned from my time camping him is this: If you don't know within a pretty narrow span of time that he is going to spawn, you're really camping a logged timestamp so you can be paying attention at the correct moment for the next spawn. This is what I've been doing these last few days, in an effort to score an earring for a new alt. During this time, I encountered Eivy, L60 epic ranger from <Fires of Heaven>, also trying to bag Hadden.



So I logged in at Hadden camp about 18 minutes prior to the spawn. I see Eivy is there again. I decided that since he was there first, I'll give him a 20-count before I start casting my 6.1 second nuke, and if he engages Hadden before I have the kill locked up with a second nuke, I'll cancel it and let him have the kill. This is more of a grace period than I would expect to be given if I were in his shoes - if you want exclusive access to a mob, you have to be actively camping it. This is what I've read from the CSR guys again and again, and I believe it's fair.

Hadden spawns, with no fishing pole, at the expected time:
(~Sun Jul 17 22:26:57 2016)

Here's the log of the battle:



And the ensuing conversation, after I logged over to the rogue project:



So what do you guys think? Eivy turned this over to the GMs via a petition, and also /tellblasted my guildleader (Dulas of Azure Guard) just like he indicated he would - but if the community can convince me I was in the wrong, I'll hand the earring to Eivy and resume the hunt.
Join red

[Smurflogik]

People who think OP didn't give enough time should try Seafuries some time. Those things rarely stand for more then 3 seconds before being tagged.

I mean, yes it sucks to camp something for hours, and lose it because you looked away for a moment, but that's kinda of the nature of the beast that is p99. It's sort of the reason the term "poopsocking" even exists, right?

[Hasbinbad]

Overall this thread has been fantastic, but not quite up to its potential.

6.5/10, would recommend to new forumquesters for minimum-acceptable reference.

---for the future---

+1 more for screenshots

+1 more for posting in r&f so that we could have real fun.

+1 more for staying after they lost their shit to collect more tears in your logs / screenshots, for additional lulz.

+0.5 for snark tone / pizzazz

[Hasbinbad]

not bad for a first battle, welcome to The Community.

[Tingowingo]

If any of my guild mates did that to someone and this issue came across my path, Id tell them to do the right thing and give the item to the person who was camping it

So explain Lunatick, please, for the rest of the community who got shafted by his actions in PoM.

[Keary]

FoH snapped a Vaniki out of our pull once. Screw em, keep the earning.

[Hasbinbad]

So explain Lunatick, please, for the rest of the community who got shafted by his actions in PoM.
what happened in pom? isn't this sort of conversation better suited to its own post, say in rnf?

[Tingowingo]

Oh Lunatick is all over RnF and server chat if you want to go back on some of the past pages. So I think he rightly earns the reputation that he deserves on both 'server chat' and 'RnF' threads.

[Zemus]

what happened in pom? isn't this sort of conversation better suited to its own post, say in rnf?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244125

[Landylil]

Fuck'em

Wait how is this not in rant and flames yet?

[tristantio]

I had asked CSR's about this before, they mentioned (a few years ago) that a 'reasonable' time to engage Haden is around 10 seconds after pop.

[Valura]

i like when you think the camps open but theres actually someone in the hut, where you cant see them.

[Thulack]

Total dick move taking it when I was in discord talking about the following weeks raids. No tells, no being nice, no respect. Just greed in your eyes cause you hadnt gotten one all weekend. Makes me sick. I was gone for 10 15 secs. He sat there and took the mob cause he had the timer. I threw the 20min to engage thing out cause I thought it was something like that in a sense, no need to be LOLing at that. He got the kill cause I was gone. oh well. I lost 2k plat I dont give a shit life goes on.

/thread

[JackFlash]

Definitely should belong to the guy camping Hadden, even if he had to use the bathroom. This looks like a KS to me.

If he was there when you got there, yes for sure.

nah

[Saludeen]

This is what you get for playing on a carebear server instead of one where you can settle things like real alpha nerds.

[Nirgon]

ya 20 person mmo pvp server

[Bionic]

This is what you get for playing on a carebear server instead of one where you can settle things like real alpha nerds.

Says the guy who re-loads EQ, plays for 2 weeks, then quits every month or so.

And about playing on Red, where is Sufi at on the Leaderboard? 0/1 on season one but nothing on season 2? Alpha nerd indeed.

[Sweettouch]

p99 still toxic as fuck i see

[azeth]

People who think OP didn't give enough time should try Seafuries some time. Those things rarely stand for more then 3 seconds before being tagged.

I mean, yes it sucks to camp something for hours, and lose it because you looked away for a moment, but that's kinda of the nature of the beast that is p99. It's sort of the reason the term "poopsocking" even exists, right?

You can't use Seafury isle, aka The Isle of Gunslinging, as precedent/example of any rules.

Seafury has been FFA based on first to do 1 single point of damage for 7 full years.

[Cecily]

Fte has nothing to do with damage.

[Smurflogik]

You can't use Seafury isle, aka The Isle of Gunslinging, as precedent/example of any rules.

Seafury has been FFA based on first to do 1 single point of damage for 7 full years.


Don't think it's about damage, just who tags it first.

And I'm not saying it's the exact same situation, just that everything is relative, and the 30ish second grace period was (imo) more than enough, if the camper had been paying any attention.

[Speedi]

so you're lawyer questing your way into a fishbone earring huh?

summary of events

1. eivy has been camping hadden seemingly for days
2. OP shows up and decides to be a buttchugging creeper and big brother the camp
3. eivy drops some hot pocket on his lap and misses the hadden spawn by 52 seconds
4. buttchugger steals his shit and here we are

^^

[Gumbo]

How about I give each of you 1.5k to buy one in EC and we delete this thread? Message me on Pint, Aziraphael, Innie, or Ginfizzie for payment.

Someone stole my Fungi Tunic from me after only giving me 10 seconds. Can I have 50,000 platinum to buy one? ;):D

[Detoxx]

Just kill Koi`Doken

[georgie]

what do I look like a MT?

[khysanth]

Consider phinny

[mrquincy]

It seems that OP beat you to Hadden because they had the timer. Since OP acquired the earring because they had the timer, Eivy should use OP's kill to start his or her own timer. This gives Eivy the same opportunity that led to OP's success.

Rules exist for a reason, and that reason is that "nice" is subjective, as evidenced here over and over again. It seems like "lawyer-questing" is a way to trivialize the utility of rules. Rules are useful.

[JackFlash]

Has anyone even camped hadden? The only way to get him is by having the timer or sitting there until he spawns and hope you don't have to afk. In which case you will deal with people who do have the timer logging in right when he spawns. I always just sit right on his spawn point and make sure people know I'm there. Otherwise you're screwed. Been this way for years here..... I've also seen the same farmers locking up the spawn for weeks on end. Like Eivy.....

[Domo]

If both of you want to end this topic fast, do a /random 0 100

[azeth]

Fte has nothing to do with damage.

It does on slinger island. No one will let you kite at 100%

[Cecily]

No. If I shoot an arrow and miss, it's still my FTE. But if people wanna disagree, I'm happy to KS the mob. On a ranger for extra shame.

[Paleman]

you know guys this is a pretty important pivotal case in norrathian courts. It will make legal precedence for future camp stealing cases.

But do you think it will make it up to kangaroo court?

[Hasbinbad]

No. If I shoot an arrow and miss, it's still my FTE. But if people wanna disagree, I'm happy to KS the mob. On a ranger for extra shame.
rofl

[azeth]

No. If I shoot an arrow and miss, it's still my FTE. But if people wanna disagree, I'm happy to KS the mob. On a ranger for extra shame.

Thats the thing. GMs wont do shit to Seafury isle, so the law of the land in my experience is any dmg = yours.

Just getting prox aggro, traditional FTE, is meaningless. If its at 100% its fair game.

[Cecily]

It's real easy to visually see if something is agroed or not. Seafuries are not a special case. You leave mobs other people's mobs alone.

[azeth]

It's real easy to visually see if something is agroed or not. Seafuries are not a special case. You leave mobs other people's mobs alone.

false. welcome to the island.

[Pokesan]

azeth flexin nuts on cecily

[azeth]

i really am not though. its just how the fucking island works!

[azeth]

seafury isle makes its way to RNF once again.

the year? 2016

[Cecily]

false. welcome to the island.

And again, seafuries are not a special case. If you take my mobs, I will KS them back. On a ranger. Then I'll follow you around and FTE anything around you.

[BallzDeep]

Delete the fishbone earring. This is the only solution. Then both of you proceed to camp it again. Who ever wins must delete the fishbone earring again. This is fair punishment for both of you.

[azeth]

And again, seafuries are not a special case. If you take my mobs, I will KS them back. On a ranger. Then I'll follow you around and FTE anything around you.

ILL FOLLOW YOU AROUND

[Signal]

ILL FOLLOW YOU AROUND

Please don't embarrass yourself in RNF again. Just understand everyone is superior to you and move on.

[bktroost]

So explain Lunatick, please, for the rest of the community who got shafted by his actions in PoM.

Is he still doing that stuff?

I was thinking about that self dispel sword. You could disarm the Bren and Grenn and equip them with a two hander that is not the dispel sword and then hand them the dispel sword so the graphic wouldn't show and then when they engage a puppet or whatever then it would dispel itself and break charm over and over again.


anyway, made me laugh thinking about someone counter attacking lunatick's antics.

[Jimjam]

ILL FOLLOW YOU AROUND

Did you guys just arrange a date?

[Hasbinbad]

ILL FOLLOW YOU AROUND
cecily has my axe

[Tewaz]

Try red pals.

[Gremmy]

FoH snapped a Vaniki out of our pull once. Screw em, keep the earning.

The same Vaniki that FoH cleared down to deep inside the rat caves including the Construct that was in the way?

The same Vaniki our monk pulled from its spawn point and FD split while your druid (Nuffwin) tagged it and gated to zone? (same druid failed earlier and aggro'd some rats whom he trained onto our raid and gated btw)

The same Vaniki that Llandris said was a clean pull by FoH after Vaniki had reset to his bind point because your druid had somehow lost aggro? (died/zoned)

For a guild whose Officers are such strong advocates for clearing to the intended targets and killing mobs on their spawn point your actions sure prove otherwise. Case of when the shoe fits... you're not exactly a shining beacon of light yourselves

[ridiculousmoose]

Fires is just the current "trash of the server" guild... they are always a passing thing.

[spikeviking]

I'm an officer in Azure Guard. My principal characters are Grizluk and Drogun, but I play many others. Most people in Azure Guard are genuinely gracious and kind, but I tend a bit more toward the anti-social. I only expect people, including myself, to play by the rules.[/QUOTE]

Your anti social, I can tell by how your trying to justify and lawyerquest ever little aspect of it all thinking you were right. You arnt gracious and kind, like a small handful of AG. Have you even read the rules? You did not go by the play nice policy. You did not respect the person camping a camp, therefore you are a prick. The end.

[spikeviking]

So 20 minutes was laughable but 20 seconds is just ludicrous. That is just some greedy scavenging. I'm sure there has been a ruling on an issue like this before, I'm too lazy too look it up, but I'm pretty sure it was something in the minutes not seconds.

No matter what all the trolls say on here, camps are recognized. FTE only applies to raid targets. This thread is 9 pages too long because it was made.

[Phenyo]

I'm an officer in Azure Guard. My principal characters are Grizluk and Drogun, but I play many others. Most people in Azure Guard are genuinely gracious and kind, but I tend a bit more toward the anti-social. I only expect people, including myself, to play by the rules.

Your anti social, I can tell by how your trying to justify and lawyerquest ever little aspect of it all thinking you were right. You arnt gracious and kind, like a small handful of AG. Have you even read the rules? You did not go by the play nice policy. You did not respect the person camping a camp, therefore you are a prick. The end.[/QUOTE]

The point


Your head

[spikeviking]

The point is phenyo needs something to do besides play forum quest.

[Phenyo]

The point is phenyo needs something to do besides play forum quest.

Yikes you might be right, the excess post count clearly reflects my addiction.

Is there a support group?

[Droog007]

You did not go by the play nice policy.

If playing "nice" means that I need to notify AFK spawn squatters that their mob is up and it's holding the rare drop, then... guilty as charged. I had every right to be there so that I could continue getting TODs and continue playing smart.

People keep throwing around the "20 seconds" interval, but in reality it was at least 50 seconds from the time Hadden spawned to your first swing - and it's unknown how long it would have taken you to get your act together if I was not exploding the mob 10 feet away from you. Nevertheless, if you had attacked before my second nuke landed, I would have let you have it.

Now that I've gotten to know you better - I'm really glad it worked out the way it did.

[Pokesan]

TIL <Azure Guard> and <Fires of Heaven> are both retarded guilds for assholes

[Skinned]

Any good mannered player would have just left when they seen someone sitting there.

[Droog007]

Any good mannered player would have just left when they seen someone sitting there.

In the few days I was keeping tabs on Hadden, the timer slipped about 3 hours. That very likely means that kindly folk such as yourself saw someone "camping" Hadden and went on their merry way at least one time, and then Hadden spawned when no one was actually watching.

It's entirely possible that this happened when I was AFK at the camp, and all I wanted was the timer - not exclusive rights to mob to which I was paying no real attention.

I say that if these people were truly interested in the camp, then they were fools for passing on it just because someone was in the area.

[BallzDeep]

Dude EQ is supposed to be like RL and in RL if you were in line waiting at the bar and chatting up one of your gaijin bros, my homies will straight up skip you.

[Pokesan]

In the few days I was keeping tabs on Hadden, the timer slipped about 3 hours. That very likely means that kindly folk such as yourself saw someone "camping" Hadden and went on their merry way at least one time, and then Hadden spawned when no one was actually watching.

It's entirely possible that this happened when I was AFK at the camp, and all I wanted was the timer - not exclusive rights to mob to which I was paying no real attention.

I say that if these people were truly interested in the camp, then they were fools for passing on it just because someone was in the area.

autism speaks

[fash]

Solution is red server.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Enjoy this now cause soon A/A will have locked all other content and will resort to batphoning Hadden repops.

http://i.imgur.com/1F4YieP.gif

[AgentEpilot]

Lol idk, 40 seconds might be cutting it a bit fine, but if its a on the dot spawn mob she shoulda been ready.

[phacemeltar]

i think you are supposed to contact the player, asking if its ok, before taking their camp

[Mobb Deep]

20 minutes for stormfeather made me LOL. I know people who waited about 10 seconds before they sniped the kill.

[JackFlash]

No pained soul drama yet?

[Mobb Deep]

love the drama over a 3K item between two level 50+'s lol.

if i saw some guy camping a 3K item for several hours, I would give him like 5-10 minutes honestly. fishbone earring isn't something you sprint to your computer for from the living room when your timer goes off.

now, if it was something like a stormfeather, i'd give the guy 1 min because you should generally be at your computer when there's variance, but i've seen some people snipe a stormfeather under someone's nose if he didn't engage for 20 seconds.

[Nihilist_santa]

love the drama over a 3K item between two level 50+'s lol.

if i saw some guy camping a 3K item for several hours, I would give him like 5-10 minutes honestly. fishbone earring isn't something you sprint to your computer for from the living room when your timer goes off.

now, if it was something like a stormfeather, i'd give the guy 1 min because you should generally be at your computer when there's variance, but i've seen some people snipe a stormfeather under someone's nose if he didn't engage for 20 seconds.

Thats how you pet em dey place.

[Csihar]

Despite the fact that you came across as reasonable and calm in the conversation (and Eivy came across as a child) and that you may technically be in the right, you're an asshole.

In RL I'd worry that you were a sociopath or even worse an Objectivist.