Common sense poll..

[sukekleosaur]

So.. Imagine this scenario.. pretend if you will, that this actually took place..

You join a Chardok Proxy group.. ( the going rate is 2k per pull) and your proxy agrees to said terms. You pay him in advance for a pull..

During the pull, half of the EXP group gets wiped out due to botched containment. You survive this mishap by gating and coming back in. In which the pull continues, and you soak up extra XP from the others being dead.

Those who got left out are upset, and dont feel like they should pay their proxy for a botched pull and dont want the rotation to advance. ( 1 person has to sit out each round due to the mechanics of the pulls)

You agree to be the one who sits out next round just to make things right witht hose who didnt want to pay for a pull they never benefited from, but your proxy doesnt agree. In fact, he's demanding you pay an extra 2k for the bonus XP you obtained. Now you were willing to give your proxy an additional 1k, until they started demanding you give them the extra compensation, and when you question it, they then remove you from the group.

Replying with a YES or NO and followed up with an explanation, ( if you feel so inclined) Do you think the person who got bonus EXP due to the rest of the group dying, should be FORCED to pay extra for that pull, when the agreed upon price was 2k per PULL?

MY personal opinion on this "hypthetical" situation would be that you are NOT responsible for the other members of the EXP group, and are NOT obligated to pay extra just because they died and you didnt.

(This is not saying you can't be nice and give them extra if you FEEL like it. This is a matter of, should you be FORCED to pay extra)


/end rant, begin discussion

[Cecily]

http://i.imgur.com/tPLv8vz.jpg

[big_ole_jpn]

http://i.imgur.com/tPLv8vz.jpg sorry about this Lune, yikes

[Cecily]

If you agreed on 2k a pull, it's 2k a pull. I'd argue you owe nothing, honestly, due to the pull being botched. You're not responsible for their screw ups. Guy doubling up the price is a scum bag. But Chardok AE and anyone who supports it are ruining / have ruined the server, so I sincerely hope you paid the 4k.

[Valura]

when people ask me to go dps for them in chardok i say yes but actually go afk

[Sodors Finest Poster]

http://i.imgur.com/lLs6QPl.jpg

[Metalopolis]

Let's see here.....when the Cdok group fucks up and only brings in one of those half-pull, do they only charge you 1k?

Also, the payment seems to be in exchange for services rendered (the pulling and killing of the mobs). If they wanna charge based on experience gained, like a Bard PL, then fine; but ya can't have it both ways.

[azeth]

You should have just perma-trained them til a GM removed you from the game. Eat a 7 day, go outside, come back.

[Redstars]

You're the person paying for the pull, how much exp you get or don't get is literally not in your hands. whoever was selling you that proxy spot is a complete dumbass. Start paying him in condoms so he cant reproduce please! <3

[Pokesan]

when people ask me to go dps for them in chardok i say yes but actually go afk

fantastic

[t3kn34k]

You should have just perma-trained them til a GM removed you from the game. Eat a 7 day, go outside, come back.

This sounds an awful lot like your raid strategy. How long until you guys get to take another vacay, i wonder?

http://i.imgur.com/Wnvcw5b.jpg

[Loke]

You could have made this an actual poll.

[maskedmelon]

You could have made this an actual poll.

[100percentanon]

This is rnf. Get off your back, pull your pants up and give us a name.

[The Prez]

Name and shame demanded.

Your proxy person sounds like scum. Fuck him.

[Nihilist_santa]

This sounds an awful lot like your raid strategy. How long until you guys get to take another vacay, i wonder?

http://i.imgur.com/Wnvcw5b.jpg

lol

[bspa0700]

2k a pull is 2k a pull. you're fault if you paid extra. guy asking is a douche.

[t3kn34k]

More chardok bloopers! This story just in, Reporting live from within the heart of the 'dok.

http://i.imgur.com/iEy1GyV.png

Somebody gotta be rustled rite about now. this has gotta be one of the better trolls i have seen in my day

[Merekai]

Name and shame demanded.

Your proxy person sounds like scum. Fuck him.

Please

[EQsale]

Well for one u should just shutup and not aggree to "sit out" when ur there for XP
You have no right too make that call the guy selling you the proxy does.

You should have just soaked up the xp and since it was a botched pull the rotation would have not moved you would have not had to pay anything and got free XP.

Sometimes its better too just shut ur mouth and get free XP then run ur mouth and be asked to pay double :eek:

[Ele]

get a group and set up camp at the castle entrance

[Cecily]

So an update on a related note. I got a PM earlier:

"Could you help me camp in chardok for my pipe? Been totally blocked by the aoe group for days now. It finally dropped once and someone grabbed it for a friend to MQ.. I just want to friggin camp it and get it myself normally grrr"

This is fucking pathetic that people have no option other than buying MQs to get their epic pieces because no one wants to deal with the AE groups. Yes, I would like to help.

[sukekleosaur]

This is rnf. Get off your back, pull your pants up and give us a name.

Proxy was a Chanter named Dudethechick and some guy named Sarl were the two who took serious issue with me not paying extra

[sukekleosaur]

Well for one u should just shutup and not aggree to "sit out" when ur there for XP
You have no right too make that call the guy selling you the proxy does.

You should have just soaked up the xp and since it was a botched pull the rotation would have not moved you would have not had to pay anything and got free XP.

Sometimes its better too just shut ur mouth and get free XP then run ur mouth and be asked to pay double :eek:

I offered to sit out next round to be nice. They were all arguing over if they should move the rotation or not.

This particular proxy had me pay for pulls in advance. I was only paying him per pull

[Aviann]

I'd be glad to help dismantle the hold over epic pieces from chardok groups. 60 paladin or rogue... Count me in. Scumlord Chardok group's time to kneel down before gods is now.

[sukekleosaur]

You could have made this an actual poll.

maybe late, but there's one now. lol

[sukekleosaur]

Proxy was a Chanter named Dudethechick and some guy named Sarl were the two who took serious issue with me not paying extra

CORRECTION: chanter is named Dudethegirl

[Faywind]

If you agreed on 2k a pull, it's 2k a pull. I'd argue you owe nothing, honestly, due to the pull being botched. You're not responsible for their screw ups. Guy doubling up the price is a scum bag. But Chardok AE and anyone who supports it are ruining / have ruined the server, so I sincerely hope you paid the 4k.

This...

[Hasbinbad]

http://i.imgur.com/tPLv8vz.jpg

[pathius41]

Time to dismantle the whole Chardok proxy crap and make epics non MQable. and before anyone cries that it's not classic, there is a lot about this server that's not classic. There is no excuse to let small groups of people hold epics hostage for money. NONE

[big_ole_jpn]

What epics are held hostage specifically? Never heard of any such thang.

[Spyder73]

This is why people hate Chardok/Proxy - everything in OP's post makes me want to vomit on my keyboard

[joppykid]

You're the person paying for the pull, how much exp you get or don't get is literally not in your hands. whoever was selling you that proxy spot is a complete dumbass. Start paying him in condoms so he cant reproduce please! <3

You know that dude doesn't fuck, lets be real.

[Nitsude]

This is fucking pathetic that people have no option other than buying MQs to get their epic pieces

TMO?

[Rattle Squirrell]

Dudethegirl? Probably a guy named Matt lol

[Nirgon]

Time to dismantle the whole Chardok proxy crap and make epics non MQable. and before anyone cries that it's not classic, there is a lot about this server that's not classic. There is no excuse to let small groups of people hold epics hostage for money. NONE

those fucks and their farming things for money, when will it end

[Cecily]

TMO?
TMO was a benevolent organization that provided epic MQs for a reasonable price to people in guilds that were unable to kill the raid bosses themselves.

[trite]

Just proxies should always agree up front to the minimum number of mobs you want exp from before you pay the full price. Say "if its only such and such number I'll pay 1k and below that number i'll pay nothing."...everyone present should be in agreement on minimum pull size to advance the @....if it advances and you didn't get exp...well at least you didn't pay

[Ravager]

If you agreed on 2k a pull, it's 2k a pull. I'd argue you owe nothing, honestly, due to the pull being botched. You're not responsible for their screw ups. Guy doubling up the price is a scum bag. But Chardok AE and anyone who supports it are ruining / have ruined the server, so I sincerely hope you paid the 4k.

I concur.

[maskedmelon]

Just proxies should always agree up front to the minimum number of mobs you want exp from before you pay the full price. Say "if its only such and such number I'll pay 1k and below that number i'll pay nothing."...everyone present should be in agreement on minimum pull size to advance the @....if it advances and you didn't get exp...well at least you didn't pay

Solution oriented, I like it.


I funk we need a pay-per-view model here. 100pp per viewed xp message, verified via fraps and logs, uploaded immediately following each pull.

[Amyas]

So an update on a related note. I got a PM earlier:

"Could you help me camp in chardok for my pipe? Been totally blocked by the aoe group for days now. It finally dropped once and someone grabbed it for a friend to MQ.. I just want to friggin camp it and get it myself normally grrr"

This is fucking pathetic that people have no option other than buying MQs to get their epic pieces because no one wants to deal with the AE groups. Yes, I would like to help.

I will help to =)

[Shadowfist]

I'd love to camp bridge w/ you. Torpor shaman reporting in!

[maker]

Dudethegirl here, I actually have this whole thing recorded, because of the wipe they decided not to move the @, which OP offered me only 1k for the pull since it was apparently free for me(she got 24% exp that pull instead of her regular 12%). After they decided to move the @ right on to me instead because OP got twice the exp, the group was asking her to pay an extra 1k for it since she was trying to rip me off in the beginning, and I was moved to the @ when it wasn't suppose to be to me for another 3 rounds, I honestly didn't care whether or not she paid but was a pain in the ass to deal with since the start. After she cried and got in drama with the group, she claimed we were all on the banned list in Chardok from now on, so we kicked her and I brought a friend in for the proxy.

[douglas1999]

Serious question: what the fuck is a "proxy"?? What does it mean? I've never done a chardok group cause I'm not a dirtbag loser so I don't know.

[Pokesan]

Dudethegirl here, I actually have this whole thing recorded, because of the wipe they decided not to move the @, which OP offered me only 1k for the pull since it was apparently free for me(she got 24% exp that pull instead of her regular 12%). After they decided to move the @ right on to me instead because OP got twice the exp, the group was asking her to pay an extra 1k for it since she was trying to rip me off in the beginning, and I was moved to the @ when it wasn't suppose to be to me for another 3 rounds, I honestly didn't care whether or not she paid but was a pain in the ass to deal with since the start. After she cried and got in drama with the group, she claimed we were all on the banned list in Chardok from now on, so we kicked her and I brought a friend in for the proxy.

well are you???

OP did you ban this man?

[Amyas]

I'd love to camp bridge w/ you. Torpor shaman reporting in!

yes LETS FORM A REAL cHARDOK GROUP =p

[Zorlon]

Serious question: what the fuck is a "proxy"?? What does it mean? I've never done a chardok group cause I'm not a dirtbag loser so I don't know.

6 dirtbag losers get together and decide they want to AE Chardok down, so they zone in and do it.

While waiting for repop, one of the guys says "Hey, wait a second, I'm max level 60. I bet some sucker would pay me like 2k to just sit in the group and leech the XP while I sit outside the group. I'm going to call him my Proxy."

Thus the list, the secret blacklist, the 12 pages of unwritten rules, and the greatest platinum laundering scheme ever imagined was born.

[EQBallzz]

Didn't vote. Don't care. Anyone participating in these Chardok proxies deserves anything bad that happens to them. Why even play EQ at all if you are going to pay someone to progress your character for you? I don't get it.

[sukekleosaur]

Dudethegirl here, I actually have this whole thing recorded, because of the wipe they decided not to move the @, which OP offered me only 1k for the pull since it was apparently free for me(she got 24% exp that pull instead of her regular 12%). After they decided to move the @ right on to me instead because OP got twice the exp, the group was asking her to pay an extra 1k for it since she was trying to rip me off in the beginning, and I was moved to the @ when it wasn't suppose to be to me for another 3 rounds, I honestly didn't care whether or not she paid but was a pain in the ass to deal with since the start. After she cried and got in drama with the group, she claimed we were all on the banned list in Chardok from now on, so we kicked her and I brought a friend in for the proxy.

This is so much lol. Post the recording. Let's see how me putting you on ignore, and telling you I was blacklisting you from MY proxy has evolved into me saying i was banning you all? Secondly, don't forget to include the part where you admitted to it being a flop. That the others didn't have to pay anything.. oh and don't forget to post the original conversation where we agreed to a 2k PER PULL. last time I checked, there wasn't a exception to how much exp you made per pull...

[sukekleosaur]

I'd like to know how having paid in advance you think I could have ripped you off, I'd like to see what my other proxy say about me, cause chances are you are the only one to have an issue with me.

[thufir]

Why even play EQ at all if you are going to pay someone to progress your character for you? I don't get it.
even worse, they're rushing to get to a raiding endgame that is widely agreed to be the worst part about playing p99

[maker]

and this is why you make people pay up front.. she tried to screw me twice. She got full xp on a pull with only 3 people still alive (she got 24% of her level instead of 12%) and tried to pay me half the money for it, then was trying to say that she had pulls she didn't pay for yet. Then blasts me on the forums for it lol, what an odd duck.

http://imgur.com/a/4Jrwa

[maker]

OP = Coinstarr

[sukekleosaur]

Lol... Post the agreement of it being per pull.. look at the other chat in those screens hots as people decide whether or not that pull counts and they move the @. Look at the text where 1, I paid in advance, how am I supposed to stiff you on an advance, and 2, I even said I was kidding and to calm down. Shady ass proxy. Talk to lifelock, abraxia, peacefully, etc. But hey, simple point of this whole thing.. is that our agreement was PER PULL. the exp group dying was not my fault or my responsibility to keep alive and that you tried to extort extra money from me for the botched pull. Regardless of what you think I tried to do or said, and the majority of everyone here agrees.

[Tasslehofp99]

This is fucking pathetic that people have no option other than buying MQs to get their epic pieces because no one wants to deal with the AE groups. Yes, I would like to help.

TMO?

TMO was a benevolent organization that provided epic MQs for a reasonable price to people in guilds that were unable to kill the raid bosses themselves.


hahahah this was the funniest thing I've seen in rnf in a long time.

[Valura]

You should only be able to Chardok while listening to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cVlTeIATBs)