Most Dominant Guild Ever? VOTE

[Tankdan]

Who is the most dominant guild ever and why?

Uncontested raiding with 485 server population doesnt count, so lets keep it in the last 3 years.

[Juevento]

Shit poll, BDA isn't an option.

PS just the mention of BDA in this thread will bring out the haters, thus enforcing the fact that we were the most dominate guild ever on p99.

[Teako]

typing in BDA basically tags Swish in the post.

[Ravager]

It's a tie between the Free Masons and the Stonecutters.

[Kushie]

Saying BDA in a thread guarantees 10 pages of replies.

[Cecily]

Toss up between TMO and Rampage. One made epics virtually impossible for years and the other dealt the death blow to the server.
Anyone voting for Awakened is oblivious to server history and forgetting that Ramp won the game.

[Pokesan]

vote awakened to be obnoxious and really cheese off nerds who post spergtext like this:

Toss up between TMO and Rampage. One made epics virtually impossible for years and the other dealt the death blow to the server.
Anyone voting for Awakened is oblivious to server history and forgetting that Ramp won the game.

[Cecily]

So an accurate assessment is spergtext? K.

guess he(she?) didn't like my post http://i.imgur.com/qQ2PbPP.png

http://i.imgur.com/7uzbRjP.png

[FatMice]

I hope this is a ploy to get Awakened members to dock dkp. if they vote on a poll in RnF; counts. Would be best troll ever.

[Signal]

I'd say the 2 best were TMO and IB. Those guys were on equal footing and traded the top spot back and forth for a while.

Rampage after their merger/creation along with the formation of Forsaken splitting TMO members gave Rampage a numbers advantage for a large portion of early Velious. When guilds started working together to even those numbers up or surpass them Rampage struggled.

Awakened and Aftermath are too early to tell really. They haven't had the lifespan of the other guilds mentioned yet.

Twist my arm...IB 1rst with TMO in a close 2nd if we are talking last 3 years. TMO did outlast IB though and killed more of the Top mob in that era (PD). But the kill count would probably slightly favor IB overall over the span they competed against each other.

[maskedmelon]

shit poll, no fire melt bush steel option

I agree with her ^

Downboat inc...

[Dottedup]

Obviously Forsaken, We finished off TMO and absorbed numerous other Guilds till we became #1.

[FatMice]

Obviously Forsaken, We finished off TMO and absorbed numerous other Guilds till we became #1.

Troll account or are you for real bro?

[Cecily]

You did kill TMO! That counts for something.

[FatMice]

Technically didn't TMO kill itself?

[Pokesan]

So an accurate assessment is spergtext? K.



http://i.imgur.com/7uzbRjP.png

whats ur point?

[Kushie]

http://i.imgur.com/PRy6ZA2.jpg

[Lojik]

Don't see blackout option

[Signal]

I think if Velious didn't take so long to come out after beta was opened... TMO and IB would have had a heck of a battle against each other for the content. Those 2 guilds had a pretty even split of awesome players From mid june on after the TMO/FE merge.

Both guilds experienced burn out waiting and eventually IB turned into Rampage and TMO got split between Forsaken/Rampage as well as players just not playing on the server anymore or staying unguilded. I really wish Velious would have released sooner. We hated each other at times but that really was some fun competition when we got past the bitterness. Getting an FTE just felt so rewarding because you knew you were beating great players to get it.

[Juevento]

I think if Velious didn't take so long to come out after beta was opened... TMO and IB would have had a heck of a battle against each other for the content. Those 2 guilds had a pretty even split of awesome players From mid june on after the TMO/FE merge.

Both guilds experienced burn out waiting and eventually IB turned into Rampage and TMO got split between Forsaken/Rampage as well as players just not playing on the server anymore or staying unguilded. I really wish Velious would have released sooner. We hated each other at times but that really was some fun competition when we got past the bitterness. Getting an FTE just felt so rewarding because you knew you were beating great players to get it.

Uh oh, someone is taking RnF seriously...

[Cecily]

I think he made a good post. TMO vs IB woulda been so much fun in Velious and I wish both guilds survived that long.

[JurisDictum]

Toss up between TMO and Rampage. One made epics virtually impossible for years and the other dealt the death blow to the server.
Anyone voting for Awakened is oblivious to server history and forgetting that Ramp won the game.

Obviously TMO...Rampage didn't dominate for 1/3 the time and they didn't need the gms to disband them.

[quido]

VP Train Wars required the highest skill/coordination threshold of all blue activities. And you know how those went.

[Zekayy]

TMO beat all because they had the man Necrious king of vp.

[Gimp]

Anyone that doesn't vote Rampage is wrong

[Teako]

3 pages without a Swish reply. Dude must be biting every finger nail he's got off to resist the urge.

Don't fight it Swisher. Come spam your god awful red 99 crap, and condescend on BDA members.

TMO got my vote simply because literal years of denying epics to any/everyone that wasn't TMO.

[Tankdan]

I'd say the 2 best were TMO and IB. Those guys were on equal footing and traded the top spot back and forth for a while.




Agreed. Neither were dominating per say, but god damn that was good equal footing for a long time in especially 2014 before IB/Rampage took control.

The current raid rules are interesting but we'll never seen good competitive battles outside of a few select mobs.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

INGLORIOUS BASTARDS. CLASSIC AS FUCK. OG NECKBEARDS. REST WERE LATE TO THE PARTY. IB 2.0 DOESNT COUNT. EKTAR THE SEXTAR WAS A BRO

[Colgate]

3 pages without a Swish reply. Dude must be biting every finger nail he's got off to resist the urge.

Don't fight it Swisher. Come spam your god awful red 99 crap, and condescend on BDA members.

TMO got my vote simply because literal years of denying epics to any/everyone that wasn't TMO.

this is a very weird and obsessive post

[Troxx]

vote awakened to be obnoxious and really cheese off nerds who post spergtext like this:

[Swifty]

TMO, and by far.

I do not believe any guild farmed 99.9% of the server for 1+ year ?

This

[pathius41]

I voted other because you didn't specify on p99 or live or both or even pinpoint a specific game

[Detoxx]

The answer is obvious. There's only one guild on this list that for over two years, people could not compete. Also only one guild that was so dominant it took the big man to stop it.

Then again, Forsaken did kill TMO and Rampage...

[Tasslehofp99]

Forceful Entry.


Slayers of TMO and only guild to challenge them at their height.

[Gimp]

The answer is obvious. There's only one guild on this list that for over two years, people could not compete. Also only one guild that was so dominant it took the big man to stop it.

Then again, Forsaken did kill TMO and Rampage...

TMO farmed uncontested because TR/IB left.

When IB came back, it was neck and neck, and when Ramp formed, TMO lost like 60 VP dragons in a row.

[Detoxx]

TMO farmed uncontested because TR/IB left.

When IB came back, it was neck and neck, and when Ramp formed, TMO lost like 60 VP dragons in a row.

Nah when IB came back it was 10 of em with fe. Then FE went to TMO and IB was on the verge of disbanding until Hoku made Rampage.

[Cecily]

TMO farmed uncontested because TR/IB left.

When IB came back, it was neck and neck, and when Ramp formed, TMO lost like 60 VP dragons in a row.

IB was not neck and neck initially. They did slowly and steadily gain power, but it was a long, long war of attrition. 15 second from spawn trak engages, 16 hours? of javelin spamming spawn points... Wort pots, reapers, and soulfires becoming required raiding items. These were the horrible things that IB returning brought to the raid scene which sucked to deal with and people already burnt from years of farming didn't feel like putting up with w/o the end of Kunark in sight. TMO a month from Velious was such a skeleton crew.

[Detoxx]

Cecily talked to me the other day. It was a win

[Fael]

TMO post froovygate and raid rule changes was not the same TMO. In fact, many of the players contributing in Rampage were from TMO: Snackies, Kegulas, Internode, etc. Many of the old guard quit: Zeelot, DD, Happy, etc quit.

So you can't really say early and mid Kunark TMO ever competed with end of Kunark IB/Rampage.

[Bardalicious]

No Dark Ascension? Shit poll.

[Lanuven]

Rampage obvious winner. Made Detoxx cry like a little girl in OOC when we woke the sleeper.

[Legday]

We hated each other at times but that really was some fun competition when we got past the bitterness.

Damn I wasn't a part of the IB v TMO good ole days but it sounds a lot like the way FA v. Rampage went in the months leading up to #gharnsgate.

I miss Rampage. There, I said it.

Also anybody not voting TMO or Rampage is a troll.

[Ragnaros]

Looking for Nihilum but can't see it

[Detoxx]

Damn I wasn't a part of the IB v TMO good ole days but it sounds a lot like the way FA v. Rampage went in the months leading up to #gharnsgate.

I miss Rampage. There, I said it.

Also anybody not voting TMO or Rampage is a troll.

I miss my Rampage pals too. I'd rather compete against people who earned it than people who rode coattails of all the top guilds :x

[zanderklocke]

I vote TMO before the class system and Rogean laying down the law. Probably then Rampage at its formation through the first few months of Velious.

TMO definitely denied more loot over the long term though. Epics selling for upwards of a million platinum, and everyone just went along with the idea of not being able to obtain epics or having to farm about a million platinum. Rampage never set a precedent like that.

This is the 7th most viewed thread on the EC Tunnel section of the forums: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81892

[Gimp]

Nah when IB came back it was 10 of em with fe. Then FE went to TMO and IB was on the verge of disbanding until Hoku made Rampage.

IB wasn't on the verge of disbanding before Rampage you dummy. We were still getting most FTEs, but had issues with numbers sometimes.

[trite]

Shit poll, BDA isn't an option.

PS just the mention of BDA in this thread will bring out the haters, thus enforcing the fact that we were the most dominate guild ever on p99.

lol, well someone can start a thread about the most hapless guild ever and I'm sure BDA will be an option.

[Cochonou]

IB/TMO were the two most dominant guilds. IB when Kunark was launched and then TMO for the longest period of domination this server has ever known when there was no to poor competition (IB exodus).

[Spyder73]

shit poll, no fire melt bush steel option

There is a crew of about 50 neckbeards that run all these guilds and have been playing on the server for the last 5 years.

People who were TMO, then Rampage, now Awakened. Its the same no life sh!t d!cks keeping content locked down - all they do is change guild tag form time to time

[Freakish]

Glass houses and throwing stones.

[Detoxx]

IB wasn't on the verge of disbanding before Rampage you dummy. We were still getting most FTEs, but had issues with numbers sometimes.

I heard the TeamSpeak meeting gimp. Hoku and getsome both saying something to the tune of "if we don't do something, we're fucked now and in velious.

Alas, Rampage was born.

[getsome]

This is why I love Visceral. Such passion.

TMO, and by far.

I do not believe any guild farmed 99.9% of the server for 1+ year ?



So, I can :

- Farm and make RMT $ (but it's illegal)

- <s>Raid</s> , join TMO and fuck everyone else, train and be the e-king of the wild wild west with me shiny over pharmed VP toys.

- Pray to have GMs eventually react to improve the current state of the server...(rotation)..............

...........Then I thought it's not fair since TMO ate so much shit during the TR year, got so tired during the IB/TR/VD wars (hell you boys would stay 18 hours straight in VP, who had sex during that raise your hand ! - Yourporn not valid -)...So afterall their hegemony is deserved.

Wouldn't TR have dreamed to be on their own pharming shit with no competition ? I guess they just did it for a year getting 95% of the boss for what, 11 months straight WITH COMPETITION? So there is anger and there is grudge on the TMO side so dear boys and girls, it's legit !

It's like you would swing for 11 months a dildo in front of a mid 40 single chick, guess what happens once you throw it at her ? Damn boy it's getting in there faster than ethiopians on a bacon cheeseburger. TMOs are ramming themselves with that big toy and who are you to take it away from them !

So is there anything to change ? Nope.

Will anything change ? Nope.

Is TMO the absolute bad ass boss of them pixels killing it all and saying fuck to everyone - training and getting suspended ? Yep.

I just stole 2 mins of your life that you won't get back.

Have a lovely day!

Visc



https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=674412&postcount=1

[getsome]

I heard the TeamSpeak meeting gimp. Hoku and getsome both saying something to the tune of "if we don't do something, we're fucked now and in velious.

Alas, Rampage was born.

Can you provide me with a copy please. I would like to hear what I said.

[quido]

Let's not forget why IB RMTed off the server in the first place =)

[Gimp]

I heard the TeamSpeak meeting gimp. Hoku and getsome both saying something to the tune of "if we don't do something, we're fucked now and in velious.

Alas, Rampage was born.

Getsome had been gone for months before we even started entertaining a merger lol

[Cecily]

Just so we're clear, most dominate could be synonymous with biggest assholes to the rest of the server. I'm proud of what we did in TMO, but don't really feel good about it at the same time.

[Detoxx]

Can you provide me with a copy please. I would like to hear what I said.

I'll see if I can find it but I doubt it. Was a while ago

[Signal]

Getsome was gone when they had that meeting Detoxx... This was the funny audio made from snippets from that meeting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPS9-y43oo

[Bruno]

Good troll Dannyl. Detoxx doubling up on his antihypertensives and anxiolytics for this one.

[Signal]

As Detoxx said and that video demonstrates...The officers of IB admitted they were losing and would lose Velious without the merge. One member said they would get steamrolled. I think they overestimated the strength of TMO at the time. It was still pretty even between the 2. But yeah IB had issues and problems and were losing a lot at the time.

[Signal]

IB wasn't on the verge of disbanding before Rampage you dummy. We were still getting most FTEs, but had issues with numbers sometimes.

Yes they were Gimp. And no you weren't as far as FTE's. The audio I linked above demonstrates that during their merger meeting.

[Loke]

IB without a doubt, and I've been in most of the guilds on that list. TMO dominated stale Kunark content for a couple years, but look at who won when content was new. IB in classic, TR (IB and a few darkwind) in Kunark, and Rampage (IB and Ateam) in velious. How is this even a question? TMO was wiping to Gore with 70+ when IB was getting server firsts. Whatever DA was calling themselves during late PoSky era has a better claim than TMO, they at least had a server first major kill that wasnt handed to them by GMs, and legitimately out played IB on new content at times.

[Bruno]

Getsome was gone when they had that meeting Detoxx... This was the funny audio made from snippets from that meeting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPS9-y43oo

That's not even getsome that's bdk and the shaman is lofted lol.

[Signal]

That's not even getsome that's bdk and the shaman is lofted lol.

I know. I just used stock images when I made that video. Getsome had been gone awhile.

[Frieza_Prexus]

IB without a doubt, and I've been in most of the guilds on that list. TMO dominated stale Kunark content for a couple years, but look at who won when content was new. IB in classic, TR (IB and a few darkwind) in Kunark, and Rampage (IB and Ateam) in velious. How is this even a question? TMO was wiping to Gore with 70+ when IB was getting server firsts. Whatever DA was calling themselves during late PoSky era has a better claim than TMO, they at least had a server first major kill that wasnt handed to them by GMs, and legitimately out played IB on new content at times.

But the question isn't who was the most skillful or best. It's who dominated the most. IB as an organization was always strongly skilled across the board. However, TMO, had undeniably deeper resources over a much longer time and they were far more resilient to outside attrition. But, TMO's skill was mostly held in the hands of 25ish people and the rest were less involved. IB went for high selectivity so that every man could pull his weight X2, but they needed that individual strength because the pool of qualified people was so small. TMO had a lot of people that were also highly skilled, but they decided to go for a deeper resource pool with less selectivity to resist attrition better.

P99 has always been a meat grinder at the high end. TMO played a better metagame strategy here, in my opinion. I'm not downplaying anyone's skill or commitment; I simply think that one strategy was a better choice given the environment, thus TMO is the answer to the question asked. Unlike the question of who is the greatest of all time, I think this one is somewhat more answerable objectively.

[Loke]

Uncontested raiding with 485 server population doesnt count, so lets keep it in the last 3 years.

Also, not sure how someone with a 2014 join date can comment on the competitiveness of the server in classic. DA vs IB was probably the most competitive time this server has seen, and before that Transcendece kept it interesting. At one point in classic there were 7 guilds all competing for raid mobs, IB just happened to win most of the time.

[Rusl]

http://oi45.tinypic.com/qp32oz.jpg

See graph <3 Swarws

[Signal]

Also, not sure how someone with a 2014 join date can comment on the competitiveness of the server in classic. DA vs IB was probably the most competitive time this server has seen, and before that Transcendece kept it interesting. At one point in classic there were 7 guilds all competing for raid mobs, IB just happened to win most of the time.

Just a grossly false statement. Nothing was more competitive than IB vs TMO in the VP FTE days. That is just a fact. TMO before those days were a good guild. However, they also had the benefit of being able to train with the larger raid force in VP to keep competition at bay. The other guilds weren't on equal footing with them because of the time they had for uncontested mobs. A great guild yes. But they really didn't have an equal raid force contesting them for much of that time. So we will never know if they could have matched up without that training ability in place.

[Loke]

Just a grossly false statement. Nothing was more competitive than IB vs TMO in the VP FTE days. That is just a fact. TMO before those days were a good guild. However, they also had the benefit of being able to train with the larger raid force in VP to keep competition at bay. The other guilds weren't on equal footing with them because of the time they had for uncontested mobs. A great guild yes. But they really didn't have an equal raid force contesting them for much of that time. So we will never know if they could have matched up without that training ability in place.

Were you around for DA vs IB? Because your join date indicates you weren't. DA got competitive around april/may of 2010, a full year before your join date. Not sure how you can compare two time periods when you didn't experience one of them.

[Detoxx]

Thanks Signal. I'd have never found that lol

[Signal]

Were you around for DA vs IB? Because your join date indicates you weren't. DA got competitive around april/may of 2010, a full year before your join date. Not sure how you can compare two time periods when you didn't experience one of them.
Forum accounts are a dime a dozen. The dates aren't a very big indicator of when people started on the server moran. You are entitled to your bad opinion. It just isn't a valid opinion if competitiveness is the discussion,

[Loke]

Forum accounts are a dime a dozen. The dates aren't a very big indicator of when people started on the server moran. You are entitled to your bad opinion. It just isn't a valid opinion if competitiveness is the discussion,

Fair enough, although you did kind of deflect from answering if you were actually around. I only questioned it since it seems like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You said TMO was a good guild before VP, but before merging with DA "TMO break fear yet?" was literally a server wide joke. Also IB and TMO only really competed in VP for a month or two before IB left te server, where as DA (and the subsequent DJ david deere guilds) competed for like a year and a half.

I'm not denying TMO dominated late game Kunark for a huge period of time, just pointing out that every single time period in which IB was present they either were, or quickly became the #1 guild on the server. I'd consider that dominance.

[pickled_heretic]

Forum accounts are a dime a dozen. The dates aren't a very big indicator of when people started on the server moran. You are entitled to your bad opinion. It just isn't a valid opinion if competitiveness is the discussion,

*diamond dozen

[Signal]

Fair enough, although you did kind of deflect from answering if you were actually around. I only questioned it since it seems like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You said TMO was a good guild before VP, but before merging with DA "TMO break fear yet?" was literally a server wide joke. Also IB and TMO only really competed in VP for a month or two before IB left te server, where as DA (and the subsequent DJ david deere guilds) competed for like a year and a half.

I'm not denying TMO dominated late game Kunark for a huge period of time, just pointing out that every single time period in which IB was present they either were, or quickly became the #1 guild on the server. I'd consider that dominance.

DA competed in classic and were absorbed by TMO.

Kunark release date was March 2011

TMO absorbed DA June 2011

I mean if you call competing for 4 mobs in classic as competitive as competing in Kunark or Velious.. Your opinion is very flawed. I also am talking about TMO vs IB that lasted for over a year. You know the most competitive time the server has seen considering even Class R guilds were competing on FFA mobs. 2014-2015. Seems like you are the one who is confused here about what the discussion is or what is being discussed.

[Valura]

red guild names are much better than blue server's

[Alarti0001]

TMO farmed uncontested because TR/IB left.

When IB came back, it was neck and neck, and when Ramp formed, TMO lost like 60 VP dragons in a row.

How many dragon kills did IB get in VP post rotation (train wars) IB was ineffectual in VP without the rotation, which is why they left. Didn't rampage form years into VP farming after most of the core TMO players stopped playing from loot glut and boredom? Your points are really stupid.

[Loke]

You know the most competitive time the server has seen considering even Class R guilds were competing on FFA mobs. 2014-2015. Seems like you are the one who is confused here about what the discussion is or what is being discussed.

Do you mean FE? Yes, there was a short period of time prior to velious when a few IB came back in preparation for velious. No one gave a shit about competing for 5 year old kunark content at that point. Note those same IB people formed rampage and dominated velious, which was their entire goal all along. I was an officer of FE at the time and remember it well... competition for 5 year old kunark content was no where near as competitive as IB vs DA. You're delusional if you think people were playing at the top of their game at that point.. no one really cared about stale content.

[Alarti0001]

Just a grossly false statement. Nothing was more competitive than IB vs TMO in the VP FTE days. That is just a fact. TMO before those days were a good guild. However, they also had the benefit of being able to train with the larger raid force in VP to keep competition at bay. The other guilds weren't on equal footing with them because of the time they had for uncontested mobs. A great guild yes. But they really didn't have an equal raid force contesting them for much of that time. So we will never know if they could have matched up without that training ability in place.

Were you around for DA vs IB? Because your join date indicates you weren't. DA got competitive around april/may of 2010, a full year before your join date. Not sure how you can compare two time periods when you didn't experience one of them.

I can back up signal's statement. I was around.

TMO is clearly the most dominant guild by quite a lot. I'd put IB waaay ahead of Rampage though. IB dominated stale Classic and Early Kunark content before TMO was even made. VP was brand new when IB quit far far from stale content. (People still thought Velious was on the horizon too ROFL).

TMO didn't need a larger raid force to keep IB dead. Zeelot held IB(new TR) when you decided to break a rotation while TMO finished a sky raid. 1 person.

You're arguments are false and scream of some neckbeard trying to defend his "wounded video game honor". Facts are facts though.

[Loke]

You're arguments are false and scream of some neckbeard trying to defend his "wounded video game honor". Facts are facts though.

Bored and trying to kill time at work before the long weekend, but its nice to see some old faces shit posting on rnf again. Also you're wrong, but thats to be expected from TMO spin masters. Now we just need Tiggles and Eccezan to show up.

[Metalopolis]

Whichever guild I'm currently in is the correct answer. Obviously.

[Baler]

TMO for rmt.
Rampage for killing blue.
BDA for secretly hoarding loot on blue jacking up the price of items in the process. Which I suspect may have some rmt relations which caused them to move to that other live progression server.

The top 3 forum quest guilds is another topic.

None of the guilds on blue were/are dominant to be honest. They all had their place but none of them ran the entire server.

[Alarti0001]

Bored and trying to kill time at work before the long weekend, but its nice to see some old faces shit posting on rnf again. Also you're wrong, but thats to be expected from TMO spin masters. Now we just need Tiggles and Eccezan to show up.

Please point out where I'm wrong.. if you can? Like i did. Also, hide behind assumed "spin".

[Detoxx]

TMO taking a commanding lead. I'm honored though, I'm the only one who was the guild leader of 2 guilds on that list.

Also, dannyl must hate forsaken. Only ones out of alphabetical order

[Eponymous Anonymous]

That's because Forsaken is utterly forgettable.

[Loke]

Please point out where I'm wrong.. if you can? Like i did. Also, hide behind assumed "spin".

Well, first you show your bias by claiming IB dominated stale classic content, when in fact they dominated all classic content, even when it was fresh. Note, I was in DA at this point, so I have no reason to defend IB since they were dominating my guild (we were competitive, but IB was clear #1).

But mostly we just disagree on what constitutes dominance. I think the fact that IB and their offshoots dominated the vast majority of content (even if I concede VP) shows dominance more than being able to hold out until the number #1 group leaves and you assume the top spot. Literally the only period TMO won was late kunark (and I suppose arguably VP), where as IB had classic, sky (minus EoV), early Kunark, and Velious considering rampage was literally rebranded IB with Hoku at the helm. Seems pretty clear to me.

[getsome]

Let's not forget why IB RMTed off the server in the first place =)

Hi Malcolm, I hope you are well.

I am back in the US. Let me know if you need proof again.

[Detoxx]

That's because Forsaken is utterly forgettable.

Did you enjoy riding our coattails? 2 of you're best members left taken to join forsaken.

[getsome]

I know. I just used stock images when I made that video. Getsome had been gone awhile.

Why did you libel me?

[Alarti0001]

Well, first you show your bias by claiming IB dominated stale classic content, when in fact they dominated all classic content, even when it was fresh. Note, I was in DA at this point, so I have no reason to defend IB since they were dominating my guild (we were competitive, but IB was clear #1).

But mostly we just disagree on what constitutes dominance. I think the fact that IB and their offshoots dominated the vast majority of content (even if I concede VP) shows dominance more than being able to hold out until the number #1 group leaves and you assume the top spot. Literally the only period TMO won was late kunark (and I suppose arguably VP), where as IB had classic, sky (minus EoV), early Kunark, and Velious considering rampage was literally rebranded IB with Hoku at the helm. Seems pretty clear to me.

... No. I said it was stale classic content...to illustrate a point when you took the bait. Classic was no more stale than Early Kunark. IB/Tr fled the server shortly after VP was released. Epics weren't even out that long yet. IB had what a handful of PD robes? If that.


I think what shows dominance is being able to dominant content without your GM interference. TMO won Mid Kunark too. The only part IB was winning was Kunark up to maybe a month or two before VP. It's cute to see you claiming SKy has some kind of domination to pad your states. FE did that too. Loser mentality.


Kunark was out for how many years? Yet you claim IB dominated most of it? Dumb

Whatever you need to tell yourself at night so you sleep well I guess. Not even posting VP stats here because that's even more skewed to TMO.



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Wins: 83 Losses: 19

Lord Nagafen
Wins: 76 Losses: 15

Innoruuk
Wins: 79 Losses: 17

Severilous
Wins: 72 Losses: 24

Faydedar
Wins: 62 Losses: 23

Venril Sathir
Wins: 82 Losses: 36

[Fountree]

TMO obvs

[Loke]

early Kunark

most of it (Kunark)

And this is why you get accused of spin. I never claimed IB dominated most of Kunark, in fact I straight up admitted TMO dominated a huge portion of it. I'm simply pointing out IB dominated all fresh content with the possible exception of VP, which is what most competitive people actually care about. TMO never dominated new content. Not Kunark, not velious, and VP is debatable.

[TMBLOW]

TMO definitely caused the creation of most anon forum accounts.

Pretty good sign of their dominance.

[Loke]

Also, I hate to be a double poster, but how can you say Sky doesn't matter? Raiding Sky beyond isle 4 at L50 was one of the most difficult periods of raiding on this server. Bee was like Sontalak level difficulty. Sky at 50 was way harder than anything in Kunark at 60.

[getsome]

P99 has always been a meat grinder at the high end. TMO played a better metagame strategy here, in my opinion. I'm not downplaying anyone's skill or commitment; I simply think that one strategy was a better choice given the environment, thus TMO is the answer to the question asked. Unlike the question of who is the greatest of all time, I think this one is somewhat more answerable objectively.

The IB meta was server firsts, and when I and a few others came back in July of 2013 it was to wake the sleeper. The IB core took up the mantle when I went fishing and completed our goal. Gratz Rampage.

The TMO metagame dominated middle kunark, neither the end or the beginning. Mostly due to a 4+ year kunark cycle. and the timing and froovygate.

The TMO of 2014 was not the TMO of 2011/2/3.

I think both have merits. Personally I would have loved to be in a guild with zero competition on targets and just kill shit. And by playing on eqmac for 6 months I got to experience that.

I have buried any personal axes with 99.99% of the folks I have competed against, and have been guilded with most of them now at one time.

So gratz to everyone.

[Alarti0001]

And this is why you get accused of spin. I never claimed IB dominated most of Kunark, in fact I straight up admitted TMO dominated a huge portion of it. I'm simply pointing out IB dominated all fresh content with the possible exception of VP, which is what most competitive people actually care about. TMO never dominated new content. Not Kunark, not velious, and VP is debatable.

VP was fresh bruh.. also the hardest part of Kunark. Doesn't count tho!

TMO definitely caused the creation of most anon forum accounts.

Pretty good sign of their dominance.

LOL

Also, I hate to be a double poster, but how can you say Sky doesn't matter? Raiding Sky beyond isle 4 at L50 was one of the most difficult periods of raiding on this server. Bee was like Sontalak level difficulty. Sky at 50 was way harder than anything in Kunark at 60.

Not too hard with Hobby ching ya.. and charmed faeries tho amirite?

The IB meta was server firsts, and when I and a few others came back in July of 2013 it was to wake the sleeper. The IB core took up the mantle when I went fishing and completed our goal. Gratz Rampage.

The TMO metagame dominated middle kunark, neither the end or the beginning. Mostly due to a 4+ year kunark cycle. and the timing and froovygate.

The TMO of 2014 was not the TMO of 2011/2/3.

I think both have merits. Personally I would have loved to be in a guild with zero competition on targets and just kill shit. And by playing on eqmac for 6 months I got to experience that.

I have buried any personal axes with 99.99% of the folks I have competed against, and have been guilded with most of them now at one time.

So gratz to everyone.

hear hear! By late kunark the 2 guilds were completely intermixed anyways

[Rararboker]

Gonna say Necrious wins here. He'd solo a guild

[Ella`Ella]

I think a poll of most powerful players on P99 would be more interesting than a ranking of most powerful guilds.

[Gimp]

I think a poll of most powerful players on P99 would be more interesting than a ranking of most powerful guilds.

brella, when we gonna game bruh

[quido]

Hi Malcolm, I hope you are well.

I am back in the US. Let me know if you need proof again.

Glad to have you back hobbit man - hope life is good.

[Champion_Standing]

You forget Bilderbergs

[Detoxx]

Trakanon
Wins: 200 Losses: 54

Cazic Thule
Wins: 105 Losses: 13

Dracoliche
Wins: 210 Losses: 52

Lady Vox
Wins: 84 Losses: 13

Gorenaire
Wins: 84 Losses: 15

Talendor
Wins: 83 Losses: 19

Lord Nagafen
Wins: 76 Losses: 15

Innoruuk
Wins: 79 Losses: 17

Severilous
Wins: 72 Losses: 24

Faydedar
Wins: 62 Losses: 23

Venril Sathir
Wins: 82 Losses: 36

/thread?

[jcr4990]

Didn't read most of this thread. But imho what really matters is server firsts. Who neckbearded the longest during a 5 year lull in Kunark poopsocking Trak for the 28 millionth time doesn't impress me and it shouldn't impress anyone else either. There's no denying that TMO dominated the middle of Kunark but that's only because IB stopped giving a fuck after getting all the server firsts. Same thing happened with Velious when Rampage clearly dominated everyone then got burned out and Aftermath started gaining traction. History repeats itself. I wasn't in any of these guilds with the exception of a brief stint in IB during late Kunark so I really have no horse in this race. But I think IB/Rampage's server first count is significantly more impressive than TMO's 5 yr kunark poopsock kill list and we all know Rampage won Velious so /shrug

[LostCause]

world first o wait.

[Detoxx]

Didn't read most of this thread. But imho what really matters is server firsts. Who neckbearded the longest during a 5 year lull in Kunark poopsocking Trak for the 28 millionth time doesn't impress me and it shouldn't impress anyone else either. There's no denying that TMO dominated the middle of Kunark but that's only because IB stopped giving a fuck after getting all the server firsts. Same thing happened with Velious when Rampage clearly dominated everyone then got burned out and Aftermath started gaining traction. History repeats itself. I wasn't in any of these guilds with the exception of a brief stint in IB during late Kunark so I really have no horse in this race. But I think IB/Rampage's server first count is significantly more impressive than TMO's 5 yr kunark poopsock kill list and we all know Rampage won Velious so /shrug

Server firsts mean nothing when it comes to domination lol. Maybe you should look up the word domination...

[Shift]

Well you forgot the best The Faceless Order but they are not on p99,

[Uuruk]

Voted Empire

[zanderklocke]

Was Sentenza, Zeelot, or Necrious better in VP train wars?

I wasn't really involved in raid scene at that time, but those were the TMO names I always heard.

At the same time, wasn't Merrk the only FE guy fucking with TMO during middle Kunark? Was Sloan involved there too...or what?

[Detoxx]

Was Sentenza, Zeelot, or Necrious better in VP train wars?

I wasn't really involved in raid scene at that time, but those were the TMO names I always heard.

At the same time, wasn't Merrk the only FE guy fucking with TMO during middle Kunark? Was Sloan involved there too...or what?

Put it this way: if you tried to compete in VP during train wars, you didn't track mobs. You tracked Necrious.

[Doors]

Dark Ascension

[Alarti0001]

Voted Empire

Empire can't be a dominant guild because you had no one to dominate. A guild with 50-60% of the server isn't dominant

[jcr4990]

Server firsts mean nothing when it comes to domination lol. Maybe you should look up the word domination...

So winning by default is impressive to you? Interesting :P

There's only been 2 guilds of neckbeards pretty much all of P99's history and it's basically been IB and TMO the entire time under various guild names. Historically IB has always dominated the beginning of an expansion then gets burned out/bored and TMO takes over and pretends they scared IB off with their leet skillz and they continue to dominate til new content rolls around and IB shows up to shit on y'all.

But now that there won't be any new content likely ever its you guys time to shine! Keep showin everybody how dominant you are at permanent stale Velious content. We're all very impressed.

[Alarti0001]

So winning by default is impressive to you? Interesting :P

There's only been 2 guilds of neckbeards pretty much all of P99's history and it's basically been IB and TMO the entire time under various guild names. Historically IB has always dominated the beginning of an expansion then gets burned out/bored and TMO takes over and pretends they scared IB off with their leet skillz and they continue to dominate til new content rolls around and IB shows up to shit on y'all.



Historically? TMO wasn't even a raid guild until Kunark and most of us weren't even 50 when Kunark released? Your history is uninformed.

[Detoxx]

Historically? TMO wasn't even a raid guild until Kunark and most of us weren't even 50 when Kunark released? Your history is uninformed.

Dont bother with logic Alarti, this guy's been brainwashed by Chest and is beyond recovery.

[Pokesan]

theoretically, tmo got all the server firsts

[Uuruk]

Empire can't be a dominant guild because you had no one to dominate. A guild with 50-60% of the server isn't dominant

Dominated all the content [x]
Other guilds were denied content [x]
Cucked TMO off of red and forced them to RMT off the server [x] and [x]

[jcr4990]

Dont bother with logic Alarti, this guy's been brainwashed by Chest and is beyond recovery.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Server_Firsts

Count the TMO's then count the BDA's. Dominance levels are off the charts.

http://i.imgur.com/F0bRful.gif

[Pokesan]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Server_Firsts

Count the TMO's then count the BDA's. Dominance levels are off the charts.

http://i.imgur.com/F0bRful.gif

holy shit TMO got zero server firsts in velious!

[Detoxx]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Server_Firsts

Count the TMO's then count the BDA's. Dominance levels are off the charts.

http://i.imgur.com/F0bRful.gif

Again, server firsts mean nothing in an argument about dominance. Please try to pay attention, now.

[Ella`Ella]

Again, server firsts mean nothing in an argument about dominance. Please try to pay attention, now.

D-dawg, you didn't "dominate" shit in velious. You're toe-to-toe with awakened when they're not in time-out and you got man-handled hard by Rampage at the onset.

You gotta hype up the few server firsts that you have, bra.

[Freakish]

Leaving Vyemm up because nobody else could come close to killing him was domination.

[Detoxx]

D-dawg, you didn't "dominate" shit in velious. You're toe-to-toe with awakened when they're not in time-out and you got man-handled hard by Rampage at the onset.

You gotta hype up the few server firsts that you have, bra.

I haven't claimed we've dominated anything greg. Don't be salty cause FE isn't on there bro. Gone but never forgotten. ♡

[Maori]

The answer is IB, anybody that votes differently never went up against them in their prime and simply doesn't know better.

[jcr4990]

The answer is IB, anybody that votes differently never went up against them in their prime and simply doesn't know better.

^ What he said

I'm sorry but "dominating" stale Kunark content for 5 yrs isn't an impressive feat to me. Who can poopsock the longest isn't a contest that has any validity in my book.

[Detoxx]

^ What he said

I'm sorry but "dominating" stale Kunark content for 5 yrs isn't an impressive feat to me. Who can poopsock the longest isn't a contest that has any validity in my book.

Good cause if you agreed with me I'd have to question myself

[MaksimMazor]

TMO Cares

[Zabekis]

<DOZEKAR>

[Doors]

Empire can't be a dominant guild because you had no one to dominate. A guild with 50-60% of the server isn't dominant

Dominated your ass pretty good Elarti. You guys got griefed off the box and barely lasted a month after non stop shit talk.

You are awful at this game.

[Signal]

Leaving Vyemm up because nobody else could come close to killing him was domination.

No that just means you were the only guild with a large enough raid force to kill the content at the time. When others teamed up to have similar numbers your guild crumbled. Just the facts.

[Freakish]

You don't know what a fact is. You just wrote an opinion, same as me. Should we post the sontalak 100 man kill in ten seconds clip? It wasn't Sont that went down.

[Signal]

You don't know what a fact is. You just wrote an opinion, same as me. Should we post the sontalak 100 man kill in ten seconds clip? It wasn't Sont that went down.

I could mention the times your guild wiped to Sontalak with 80+ as well. It happened to everyone.

[Tankdan]

No that just means you were the only guild with a large enough raid force to kill the content at the time. When others teamed up to have similar numbers your guild crumbled. Just the facts.

The spin on your posts, I won't take the bait m8.

[Detoxx]

You don't know what a fact is. You just wrote an opinion, same as me. Should we post the sontalak 100 man kill in ten seconds clip? It wasn't Sont that went down.

woah now bro, Aftermath is currently the only guild on server whos killed Sontalak

[quido]

TMO won when blue was its most difficult - you can't claim content burnout while contesting vigorously (and losing) for a couple of months. TR/IB put up a fight for a couple months, failed miserably, and RMTed off the server.

[Detoxx]

The thing about TMO was that it wasn't that other guilds didnt want to compete. They tried. Its that they couldnt compete. You call it farming stale content, I call it dominating current content to the point where guilds knew it was futile to even try to compete.

When Rampage was winning, all it took was matching their numbers to get on even ground. You could match TMO numbers all you wanted, it didnt matter, you werent getting anything.

Thats just my 2 cents tho.

[Paumad]

Youngspindoctors, all of you. <3

[Detoxx]

Also, the guild with Fauss always wins.

[Freakish]

I would argue it's more of the constant raid scene rule changes that kill guilds more than a competitor rising to compete. How long do you think TMO (old, crew that loved to train in non csr vp) would put up with coth ducking for sev after 5 years of Kunark? I doubt very long. If they made VP CSR years ago they would not have had the free reign there either. Basically, we are a product of our situations and TMO definitely played their situation well it doesn't grind your soul like coth duck fte at 3 am does.

(I voted TMO)

[Kushie]

call it dominating current content to the point where guilds knew it was futile to even try to compete.


Because you guys bought a ton of accounts

[Detoxx]

I would argue it's more of the constant raid scene rule changes that kill guilds more than a competitor rising to compete. How long do you think TMO (old, crew that loved to train in non csr vp) would put up with coth ducking for sev after 5 years of Kunark? I doubt very long. If they made VP CSR years ago they would not have had the free reign there either. Basically, we are a product of our situations and TMO definitely played their situation well it doesn't grind your soul like coth duck fte at 3 am does.

(I voted TMO)

VP was non CSR during the FE days. Until IB came around i think you guys killed 2 dragons, one of which was just a KS?

[Uuruk]

The thing about TMO was that it wasn't that other guilds didnt want to compete. They tried. Its that they couldnt compete. You call it farming stale content, I call it dominating current content to the point where guilds knew it was futile to even try to compete.

When Rampage was winning, all it took was matching their numbers to get on even ground. You could match TMO numbers all you wanted, it didnt matter, you werent getting anything.

Thats just my 2 cents tho.

So your first paragraph described empire.

[Ella`Ella]

The thing about TMO was that it wasn't that other guilds didnt want to compete. They tried. Its that they couldnt compete. You call it farming stale content, I call it dominating current content to the point where guilds knew it was futile to even try to compete.

When Rampage was winning, all it took was matching their numbers to get on even ground. You could match TMO numbers all you wanted, it didnt matter, you werent getting anything.

Thats just my 2 cents tho.

Except that FE beat TMO. We competed enough to burn out your top players, conspired behind the scenes to get the hammer dropped on TMO for cheating, infiltrated their ranks through a merger, replaced their officers with FE officers, corrupted Detoxx to sabotage the guild from within and then finally, gave Detoxx my blessing to pull the plug on TMO and form Forsaken.

[Tasslehofp99]

The thing about TMO was that it wasn't that other guilds didnt want to compete. They tried. Its that they couldnt compete. You call it farming stale content, I call it dominating current content to the point where guilds knew it was futile to even try to compete.

When Rampage was winning, all it took was matching their numbers to get on even ground. You could match TMO numbers all you wanted, it didnt matter, you werent getting anything.

Thats just my 2 cents tho.

FE competed with TMO and eventually TMO just gave up when that whole froovygate thing happened and when VP became a CSR zone. No one gives FE credit but if it wasnt for them TMO would probably still be dominating and rampage/Ib never would have been able to come back the way they did. I remember how mad zeelot was when we sniped that PD from TMO and then the froovygate thing must have sent him over the edge.

FE made the mistake of trusting IB in an alliance to take down TMO. This ended up failing and IB more or less told FE it was their way or the highway. Then FE made the fatal mistake of merging into TMO out of spite toward IB. TMO crumbled for the most part after that as there was left over drama from froovygate/zeelot going mental/old guard TMO not wanting to merge with the enemy. Now it seems that FE has been struck from the history books.

Everyone who was there remembers though!

[Freakish]

FE got a few kills, one of which was a Druushk that was a full kill. Then I think there was a silverwing KS and a Druushk KS. Then one full PD kill right before froovygate.

[quido]

TMO died because most of the ballers didn't want to play blue coth-fest maggotquest after having enjoyed the wonders of train wars.

[Pokesan]

TMO won when blue was its most difficult - you can't claim content burnout while contesting vigorously (and losing) for a couple of months. TR/IB put up a fight for a couple months, failed miserably, and RMTed off the server.

dave kreig had amazing stats when throwing into the wind, at home on a monday, facing teams from east of the allegheny river, on weekends where the auburn tigers scored three field goals.

[Arkanjil]

TMO. Duh. :)

[Signal]

The spin on your posts, I won't take the bait m8.

It isn't bait m8. It's facts jack.

[Tiggles]

TMO was the best guild on the server. We were the original underdog success story and we went from wiping in fear to destroying the no.1 guild on the server in the most glorious time in the server history (VP train wars)

Once we held the top spot we put our foot on the throats of the casual guilds. Making them farm shithole Kunark dungeons in order for them to afford the scraps our alts didn't want.

I like to think this server is so shitty now because the garbage that still plays here was the same garbage that when TMO ran the show made them buy overpriced epic pieces from.

They will never get over the shame of being treated like the trash that they are and they know deep down that they only reason they see content now is because the server staff decided to rules the server to death.

[Ella`Ella]

OH great, first atari now tiggles. :p

You shoul be grateful that he still trolls here. Show some god damn respect.

[Maori]

Pras Tiggles and Alarti

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Smells like meat sweats in here.

[Alarti0001]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Server_Firsts

Count the TMO's then count the BDA's. Dominance levels are off the charts.

http://i.imgur.com/F0bRful.gif

oh mah gawd.. You jumped the shark kiddo.

[Alarti0001]

Dominated your ass pretty good Elarti. You guys got griefed off the box and barely lasted a month after non stop shit talk.

You are awful at this game.

What? How did I get griefed? I stopped playing when I got suspended on Blue for training that I didn;t commit. Rogean griefed me off the server.... no one on red had any affect on my life. Sit down peon

[jcr4990]

oh mah gawd.. You jumped the shark kiddo.

http://i.imgur.com/Ic7cJSB.png

[Alarti0001]

TMO was the best guild on the server. We were the original underdog success story and we went from wiping in fear to destroying the no.1 guild on the server in the most glorious time in the server history (VP train wars)

Once we held the top spot we put our foot on the throats of the casual guilds. Making them farm shithole Kunark dungeons in order for them to afford the scraps our alts didn't want.

I like to think this server is so shitty now because the garbage that still plays here was the same garbage that when TMO ran the show made them buy overpriced epic pieces from.

They will never get over the shame of being treated like the trash that they are and they know deep down that they only reason they see content now is because the server staff decided to rules the server to death.

Log on steam more!

[Tasslehofp99]

TMO was the best guild on the server. We were the original underdog success story and we went from wiping in fear to destroying the no.1 guild on the server in the most glorious time in the server history (VP train wars)

Once we held the top spot we put our foot on the throats of the casual guilds. Making them farm shithole Kunark dungeons in order for them to afford the scraps our alts didn't want.

I like to think this server is so shitty now because the garbage that still plays here was the same garbage that when TMO ran the show made them buy overpriced epic pieces from.

They will never get over the shame of being treated like the trash that they are and they know deep down that they only reason they see content now is because the server staff decided to rules the server to death.

haha good to see you're still alive old pal

[Cochonou]

TMO died because most of the ballers didn't want to play blue coth-fest maggotquest after having enjoyed the wonders of train wars.

TMO died because TMO kicked its most valuable player ever out of the guild: Lenfer ;)

Lenfer tells you: "You LFG HS?"

[Turp]

Except that FE beat TMO. We competed enough to burn out your top players, conspired behind the scenes to get the hammer dropped on TMO for cheating, infiltrated their ranks through a merger, replaced their officers with FE officers, corrupted Detoxx to sabotage the guild from within and then finally, gave Detoxx my blessing to pull the plug on TMO and form Forsaken.

The current / new clique calls You "tinfoil":eek: if you believe this stuff still happens...

It is more plausible that they are just gullible and or dumb.

[Detoxx]

Disagree entirely - it's the opposite way around. There were far more contested and competitive mobs before Velious then after (by the top guilds). Velious saw less socking, which means less 24/7 crews; and Rampage had the really heavy stuff locked down (or called for an alliance to help them with targets).

I wouldn't say there's been really any competition..and there's no where in Velious that equates to the shit storm that was Veeshan's Peak.

lol what? There's the entirety of all of Kunark and classic mobs combined in one zone heavily contested every week...

[Detoxx]

That's what you call contested? Please..
So racing to mobs not in tov means their contested, but racing to mobs in tov means they arent...got it.

[Turp]

IB/Rampage were dominant in two different eras of the server, but eventually that core always seemed to get "fatigued" and walk away. No matter how many pixels it consumed month after month, TMO didn't seem to get fatigued in that way.

IB (+a team)was Rampage minus Getsome right? That is what I remember. The officers and raiders seemed to be the same people. I know Rogean considered you a new guild but I think he got *both times wrong.

*With TMO - Forsaken it was new leader and officers , new system and a total revamp so you couldn't consider them the same... (yet lord Rogean did lol).

TMO was fatigued in the end. True it was not by the pixel consumption.
but pixels do not burn out people...ever. It's new rules , petition quest , 16 hour variance - etc.
Now...
If RNF plays a role in the most "Dominant" , then TMO wins.
because You do not see many IB still working the forum quest angle.
)which is not a bad thing(

http://wiki.project1999.com/Server_Firsts >-< lol BUT...
who will be server lasts?
can Getsome and crew take over from start to finish... very possible.
http://i.imgur.com/Xf7Itwu.jpg

It would change my vote if they did. Can't argue with #1 Server first and server last. That is the definition of total domination for a EQ server.

[Arteker]

longer domination and succes TMO 2,0(1 was original pre da merger, and 3 the ginger thing wich was born from the breed with certain other guild).

most skilled guild by far rampage without doubts .

[maskedmelon]

I don't understand why anyone would vote anything other than TMO here, even if you weren't a fan. I mean, come on...

[maerilith]

Sorry peeps but how did TMO win this? All they did was pick up the pieces after IB/TR got bored and quit. Then they had a glorious gravy train of uncontested pixels for their zerg.

That's not influential. They just road the wave.

[Alarti0001]

Sorry peeps but how did TMO win this? All they did was pick up the pieces after IB/TR got bored and quit. Then they had a glorious gravy train of uncontested pixels for their zerg.

That's not influential. They just road the wave.

Your statement isn't congruent with fact :)

[Redi]

Alarti and Tiggles are the furthest things from dominant in my opinion

[Secrets]

IB/Divinity/Transcendence days pale in comparison to the complete lockdown of the server TMO did.

TMO by far was the best, they were the single guild that had classic EQ rules changed for them. That's how good they were; variance was introduced to counter TMO, and it only favored them in the end because they were the only guild that could follow the asinine rules presented.

I'd say #2 goes to Empire on Red99 - they kept new players out of the game so they didn't have to compete with anyone else and get free raid targets. They ultimately killed their own server proving multiple people's points: EQ PvP is fun for about a month, and ultimately, EQ PvP is an exercise in futility.

[quido]

96-hour variance was implemented before TMO existed - they added the possible variance extensions during our reign.

[Alarti0001]

96-hour variance was implemented before TMO existed - they added the possible variance extensions during our reign.

This... variance was introduced because DA(or whatever it was called) started poopsocking mobs and were winning here and there against the GM's in IB. Big backfire.

[quido]

Anyone remember the ridiculous 15-man rule and the lawyerquesting over it?

[Alarti0001]

Anyone remember the ridiculous 15-man rule and the lawyerquesting over it?

First to 15 coupled with too much gm intervention = broken raid scene.

[quido]

So far the only ruleset that hasn't resulted in a fucktarded amount of work for the GMs is non-CSR train wars.

[getsome]

Anyone remember the ridiculous 15-man rule and the lawyerquesting over it?

We got a nice Donals BP from that rule.

[quido]

Yeah it seemed though that anytime someone tried to get the GMs to enforce the fact that a group dropped below 15 they would say "don't lawyerquest."

[getsome]

So far the only ruleset that hasn't resulted in a fucktarded amount of work for the GMs is non-CSR train wars.

Non CSR was a farce.

Eyes got banned during our summer of 2012 love fest.

Rogean warned IB with a ban if we looted a TMO kill after killing anyone who could loot it.

[Alarti0001]

Yep. The fact that TMO 2.0 is still so despised by so many that they would vote anything else is further proof of that dominance, really. A spite vote against TMO is actually a vote for TMO, which means TMO is currently winning 338 to zero.

I'm in BDA on Phinny... and not a day goes by that TMO isn't mentioned in some form in guild chat. IN THEIR HEADS.

[Arteker]

Sorry peeps but how did TMO win this? All they did was pick up the pieces after IB/TR got bored and quit. Then they had a glorious gravy train of uncontested pixels for their zerg.

That's not influential. They just road the wave.

quite incorrect.
chain of events (if you are from TR please add feedback ).
scenario - kunark launch -

1- TR ( was u getsome the leader ?), dominates server.his actual competitor is Dark ascension(was durison?).

2- tmo 1.0 is a smaller guild with few raid kills at this point leader is loly.

3- TMo+da fusion after a few joint raids(that massive wipe at gore in dl ice cave)

4- tmo starts challengin TR - and break TR dominance over Trak(back then it was both raids camped at trak spawn point for hours for a fte).

5- TR holds , but key momment happen.Durison , steals the guild shit. zeelot and new officers form up. few old da members move to TR .

6-TMo streak begins . agressive reforms , alot of people hitting 60 , the feud with TR, goes red hot with multiple TR key members found guilty of using 3 party softwares for raid scene . at this momment TMo holds a 17 kill streak over TR.(broken when jabroni trains his own guild , and left for TR).

7- TR start to be less seen in raid scene not competing for alot of mobs, rumour in the street is they focus in a private server for the incoming vp release .

8- vp opens and hell break loose

to be continued

[Arteker]

I'm in BDA on Phinny... and not a day goes by that TMO isn't mentioned in some form in guild chat. IN THEIR HEADS.

u were always a bda scum in your heart alartikus

[Alarti0001]

quite incorrect.
chain of events (if you are from TR please add feedback ).
scenario - kunark launch -

1- TR ( was u getsome the leader ?), dominates server.his actual competitor is Dark ascension(was durison?).

2- tmo 1.0 is a smaller guild with few raid kills at this point leader is loly.

3- TMo+da fusion after a few joint raids(that massive wipe at gore in dl ice cave)

4- tmo starts challengin TR - and break TR dominance over Trak(back then it was both raids camped at trak spawn point for hours for a fte).

5- TR holds , but key momment happen.Durison , steals the guild shit. zeelot and new officers form up. few old da members move to TR .

6-TMo streak begins . agressive reforms , alot of people hitting 60 , the feud with TR, goes red hot with multiple TR key members found guilty of using 3 party softwares for raid scene . at this momment TMo holds a 17 kill streak over TR.(broken when jabroni trains his own guild , and left for TR).

7- TR start to be less seen in raid scene not competing for alot of mobs, rumour in the street is they focus in a private server for the incoming vp release .

8- vp opens and hell break loose

to be continued

I forgot about Jabroni, part of his app was to train Trak on us before he left for TR. Hilar! Think the Trak kill streak was 14 though.

u were always a bda scum in your heart alartikus

I was in BDA before Chest or TMO was even on the server. I left because in part TMO started and also because the guild was super cliquey and operated like a bunch of high school kiddies.

[JurisDictum]

If Rustle and Aftermath joined it would be the most dominate guild on the server. Unfortunately, the leaders of Rustle like their loot council...how did that work out for everyone last time?

[Ivory]

<Archers Vow> ....we even mini raided a sand giant!! A level 10, a level 15, and a level 20! There were many arrows fired that day....but in the end, we were victorious!!

[getsome]

If Rustle and Aftermath joined it would be the most dominate guild on the server. Unfortunately, the leaders of Rustle like their loot council...how did that work out for everyone last time?


We do open DKP bid atm. L2ChkFaxts

IB loot council worked great.

[Halfelfbard]

Ahh the memories, and yes i've fucked during a track sock...it was pretty great. She was riding and i was still twisting 4.

I was sober 10% of my playing time...740 something days played.

[Tasslehofp99]

Yep. The fact that TMO 2.0 is still so despised by so many that they would vote anything else is further proof of that dominance, really. A spite vote against TMO is actually a vote for TMO, which means TMO is currently winning 338 to zero.

I wouldn't describe 2-ish years of uncontested pixel farming as dominant. Nor would I describe a guild as dominant who fled in the face of competition or when their members were caught duping or cheating in some way or another.


So, I voted other. There is only one guild who stood up to this supposed competitive titan everyone is voting for at their height and they're not even on the list.

[Tipsyer]

What was this place like after the server opened? How long did it take for Kunark to launch?

We always hear about TMO and IB, but it's rare to hear about the earlier ones. Except in this thread of course.

One of you OG's should tell us a story or two.

[Alarti0001]

I wouldn't describe 2-ish years of uncontested pixel farming as dominant. Nor would I describe a guild as dominant who fled in the face of competition or when their members were caught duping or cheating in some way or another.


So, I voted other. There is only one guild who stood up to this supposed competitive titan everyone is voting for at their height and they're not even on the list.

Perpetually butthurt.

[Halfelfbard]

Fuckin Lol'd

[getsome]

quite incorrect.
chain of events (if you are from TR please add feedback ).
scenario - kunark launch -


1- TR ( was u getsome the leader ?), dominates server.his actual competitor is Dark ascension(was durison?).

Xzerion & Mady were guild leaders of TR when it formed, Mady mia'd and Xzerion passed me leadership when he decided he had moved enough Icy Terrors. I was just a disgruntled member when TR started up, cause i got shafted on my HS key. Uthgaard knows though, xzerion = getsome


2- tmo 1.0 is a smaller guild with few raid kills at this point leader is loly.


they were in ferrot trying to break fear.



3- TMo+da fusion after a few joint raids(that massive wipe at gore in dl ice cave)



DA was not a guild anymore, it was fusion, dozekar and ascension during kunark.



4- tmo starts challengin TR - and break TR dominance over Trak(back then it was both raids camped at trak spawn point for hours for a fte).



we never camped @ trak, we actually would gate our casters and clear down to kill him. tmo putting 90 on poop mt, started that. tiggles doing fake batphones back in the day for promised rogue loots from TR was a highlite.

IB Bitter vp is not open.


5- TR holds , but key momment happen.Durison , steals the guild shit. zeelot and new officers form up. few old da members move to TR .



no clue about this shit, did not follow tmo or ascension politics. one of the earliest DA folks i remember joining was baubarian. not sure on timeline.

IB bitter vp is not open



6-TMo streak begins . agressive reforms , alot of people hitting 60 , the feud with TR, goes red hot with multiple TR key members found guilty of using 3 party softwares for raid scene . at this momment TMo holds a 17 kill streak over TR.(broken when jabroni trains his own guild , and left for TR).


The list is out there. Perun only used it once, to make maps. The other 5 people were farmers. You did not need showeq for Kunark raiding. who the fuck was jabroni?

tmo wiping to gore and talendor with 70+

IB bitter vp is not open


7- TR start to be less seen in raid scene not competing for alot of mobs, rumour in the street is they focus in a private server for the incoming vp release .



Dev server VP screen shots were a troll and got Uthgaardd hella mad.

IB bitter vp is not open.



8- vp opens and hell break loose


VP opens up 8 months late, I am still bitter, we had about 100 trak teeth before tmo had any. all that uncontested loot that we never could rmt when we left the server.



to be continued

[JurisDictum]

I wouldn't describe 2-ish years of uncontested pixel farming as dominant. Nor would I describe a guild as dominant who fled in the face of competition or when their members were caught duping or cheating in some way or another.


So, I voted other. There is only one guild who stood up to this supposed competitive titan everyone is voting for at their height and they're not even on the list.

dom·i·nate
ˈdäməˌnāt/
verb
verb: dominate; 3rd person present: dominates; past tense: dominated; past participle: dominated; gerund or present participle: dominating

have a commanding influence on; exercise control over.
"the company dominates the market for operating system software"
synonyms: control, influence, exercise control over, command, be in command of, be in charge of, rule, govern, direct, have ascendancy over, have mastery over; More
informalhead up, be in the driver's seat, be at the helm of, rule the roost (in), wear the pants (in), have someone in one's hip pocket;
literarysway
"the Romans dominated the parts of Britain that became England and Wales"
predominate, prevail, reign, be prevalent, be paramount, be preeminent;
informalkick butt
"it dominates the sports scene"
be the most important or conspicuous person or thing in.
"the race was dominated by the 1992 champion"
(of something tall or high) have a commanding position over; overlook.
"a picturesque city dominated by the cathedral tower"
synonyms: overlook, command, tower above/over, loom over
"the village is dominated by the viaduct"

TMO was the most dominate guild to ever exist on this server, because they most fit the definition for the longest time. Most impressive competitors is a different topic, where both Forsaken and Asgard would be big contenders IMO.

[Alarti0001]

quite incorrect.
chain of events (if you are from TR please add feedback ).
scenario - kunark launch -

1- TR ( was u getsome the leader ?), dominates server.his actual competitor is Dark ascension(was durison?).

2- tmo 1.0 is a smaller guild with few raid kills at this point leader is loly.

3- TMo+da fusion after a few joint raids(that massive wipe at gore in dl ice cave)

4- tmo starts challengin TR - and break TR dominance over Trak(back then it was both raids camped at trak spawn point for hours for a fte).

5- TR holds , but key momment happen.Durison , steals the guild shit. zeelot and new officers form up. few old da members move to TR .

6-TMo streak begins . agressive reforms , alot of people hitting 60 , the feud with TR, goes red hot with multiple TR key members found guilty of using 3 party softwares for raid scene . at this momment TMo holds a 17 kill streak over TR.(broken when jabroni trains his own guild , and left for TR).

7- TR start to be less seen in raid scene not competing for alot of mobs, rumour in the street is they focus in a private server for the incoming vp release .

8- vp opens and hell break loose

to be continued

Xzerion & Mady were guild leaders of TR when it formed, Mady mia'd and Xzerion passed me leadership when he decided he had moved enough Icy Terrors. I was just a disgruntled member when TR started up, cause i got shafted on my HS key. Uthgaard knows though, xzerion = getsome






they were in ferrot trying to break fear.


We had one partial wipe. Just happened to be when BDA was trying to break simultaneously. We actually wiped to fear alot more years later than we did pre-kunark.


DA was not a guild anymore, it was fusion, dozekar and ascension during kunark.



and Blackwater and Fused and....


we never camped @ trak, we actually would gate our casters and clear down to kill him. tmo putting 90 on poop mt, started that. tiggles doing fake batphones back in the day for promised rogue loots from TR was a highlite.

IB Bitter vp is not open.


Leaving out that IB had illegal members Bound at poop mountain for easy cothing even though it wasn't allowed.

Also the poop didnt start at 90... we knew you had coth chains bound there so we started leaving the same... TR countered by trying to match numbers and escalation happened.



The list is out there. Perun only used it once, to make maps. The other 5 people were farmers. You did not need showeq for Kunark raiding. who the fuck was jabroni?

tmo wiping to gore and talendor with 70+

IB bitter vp is not open



Perun only used it once....the most common lie. Hunny it only happened once, Officer I only had 1 drink etc. You don't need ShowEQ for any raiding. It is helpful though as perun knew.


Dev server VP screen shots were a troll and got Uthgaardd hella mad.

IB bitter vp is not open.


Yet it's still true that xzerion fed you exact spawn coordinates and other privileged info. Cyrius/Uuaellaen(sp?) banned members of TMO on a whim (then dismissed), and Hobby/Virtuosos would use Soulfire charges to CH you and them GM power recharge them on raids. Even other GM's currently on the staff allowed members in your guild to 2-box and fed members like Eashan bug information allowing your guild to camp on the east side of WK to insta succor to the west side. (Pre-succor) But ya that one screenshot was fake.


VP opens up 8 months late, I am still bitter, we had about 100 trak teeth before tmo had any. all that uncontested loot that we never could rmt when we left the server.



Too bad TMO didn't start raiding 8 months earlier... all those mortgage payments that wouldn't have been made.

[JurisDictum]

We do open DKP bid atm. L2ChkFaxts

IB loot council worked great.

That was a pretty fast response

[Computer Blue]

What was this place like after the server opened? How long did it take for Kunark to launch?

We always hear about TMO and IB, but it's rare to hear about the earlier ones. Except in this thread of course.

One of you OG's should tell us a story or two.

[getsome]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Server_Firsts

[Alarti0001]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Server_Firsts

denotes 1 kill :) The hollowness of so many of those though. Grats Hobby/Charm bug/no competition

[Secrets]

Lanys T'Val event was fucking amazing though.

RAINBOWSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Secrets]

I also miss the 'cab, who was the single most dominant player on P99

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32617

[JurisDictum]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Server_Firsts

Do you remember someone beating you to Verina Tomb about 3 years ago? That was me. That and you creeping around my leveling group's Lguk camps are the only two times I encountered you in game.

But I look forward to whatever plans you have with <Rustle>

I suppose once Awakened implodes you guys will pretty strong. There guild has declined greatly already so ill see you soon <3.

[Halfelfbard]

Kunark Kills
First to kill Venril Sathir: Fusion
First to kill Faydedar: Fusion

I was apart of these, and i won the selo's drum from Fay...Server first.

[Shinko]

TMO- Most Dominant Guild Ever?

the Dominated for the longest,

sure IB quit, blablabla
FE tried when no csr
all other guilds don't matter since they forced raid rules, you FGTS

[Ravager]

Yep, things were way better when two people skipping their community college pottery classes could disrupt another raid and indefinitely stall by ping-ponging FTE.

[Teako]

I hadn't taken into the sheer amount of lawyerquest TMO delved in to when considering my answer.. Definitely sticking with TMO now.

Even that bit where they were paying for FTE's on VS just to fuck other guilds. They weren't fun to play with, against, or around.. but you can't deny the hell it was.

Also, fuck Eccezan. Alarti gets an honorable mention fuck you as well.

[Rusl]

[QUOTE=Alarti0001;2315923]
bug information allowing your guild to run into the river on the east side of WK to insta succor to the west side. (Pre-succor)
QUOTE]

ftfy, learn to classic.

[Zeelot]

Miss you guys :) We'll always be around for anyone who wants to join us in other games or just hang out on forums/teamspeak. www.themysticalorder.net

[Shinko]

Miss you guys :) We'll always be around for anyone who wants to join us in other games or just hang out on forums/teamspeak. www.themysticalorder.net

Zeelot Vs Shinko 2017?

[Arteker]

Zeelot Vs Shinko 2017?

shinko vs lonegin 2016? our lst 2015 still valid with a 3-0 for the troll:D

[Arteker]

Kunark Kills
First to kill Venril Sathir: Fusion
First to kill Faydedar: Fusion

I was apart of these, and i won the selo's drum from Fay...Server first.

u still afraid of spiders?:p

[mropey]

TMO hands down.

[Argh]

A lot of people coming out of the woodwork to prove that they were the shittiest shitlord to lord over the server.

[Kruel]

IB/TR dominated... with only Dark Ascension to contest. When DA was defeated they merged with TMO and had 100 person raids, while TR was still rollin with 40-50ish. Those were the days. I remember we engaged Trak with 17 players back early Kunark just hoping others would login. That was my favorite kill.

Time is what hurt IB/TR... players leaving with tons of skill

[heartbrand]

didn't see Nihilum or Empire so didn't vote

[Arteker]

IB/TR dominated... with only Dark Ascension to contest. When DA was defeated they merged with TMO and had 100 person raids, while TR was still rollin with 40-50ish. Those were the days. I remember we engaged Trak with 17 players back early Kunark just hoping others would login. That was my favorite kill.

Time is what hurt IB/TR... players leaving with tons of skill

can you elaborate? after reading ur post i been digging into the old tmo web i have stored and seems we never break more than 68 players (wich seems was our fist raid after merguer and we indeed failed to kill gorenaire ).

17 people using ivandyr hops ( how ironic those low number kills stoped happening when it got nerfed and u had to tap into vessica die )in trak per usual my guess :):):):):):):). well, tmo did kill pd with 17 people a euro morning (i won the earring)

honestly u dont know how much Eccehomo was pissed at it .

[Alarti0001]

IB/TR dominated... with only Dark Ascension to contest. When DA was defeated they merged with TMO and had 100 person raids, while TR was still rollin with 40-50ish. Those were the days. I remember we engaged Trak with 17 players back early Kunark just hoping others would login. That was my favorite kill.

Time is what hurt IB/TR... players leaving with tons of skill

TMO merged and had 100 players for 1 weekend... it quickly dropped to the 70-80's that TR was running with constantly. TR even had raids with 90's in those days.... Just truth.

[Alarti0001]

can you elaborate? after reading ur post i been digging into the old tmo web i have stored and seems we never break more than 68 players (wich seems was our fist raid after merguer and we indeed failed to kill gorenaire ).

17 people using ivandyr hops ( how ironic those low number kills stoped happening when it got nerfed and u had to tap into vessica die )in trak per usual my guess :):):):):):):). well, tmo did kill pd with 17 people a euro morning (i won the earring)

honestly u dont know how much Eccehomo was pissed at it .

No Hoop No Loot. That's how TR got kills at all. Once TMO got Hoops too that shit got conveniently nerfed and necros along with it. GG

[Arteker]

No Hoop No Loot. That's how TR got kills at all. Once TMO got Hoops too that shit got conveniently nerfed and necros along with it. GG

poor trakanot he got hooped , def was the lol momment for the whole kunark raiding era

[Shinko]

i hate TMO

but they win

[Tiggles]

A lot of people coming out of the woodwork to prove that they were the shittiest shitlord to lord over the server.


Back in my prime. My dick couldn't get hard unless I made someone rage out on me online.

I like to think I'm responsible for griefing more players off this server than raid rotations and RMT combined.

[Arteker]

Keep thinking, obviously you are delusional, but maybe you will think:

I am you are king of the world

not realy , but several witness hear him cry on ventrilo . he lost his battle agaisnt knix .

[Kushie]

pitiable tiggles

[Fael]

Beta cucks too stupid to realize targeting Tiggles only makes him stronger. Then again, only a cuck would still be playing p99--no offense Detoxx.

[Fael]

What can I say, Tiggles makes me chortle.

And you don't. It is what it is.

[azxten]

I voted for TMO due to their strangle hold of the server when nothing else was happening. Whenever server firsts were around they got their ass kicked but once better guilds left to play more interesting games they would mercilessly no life it at every high level location. You'd try to get in some casual EQ doing a planes clear, Seb camp, or whatever and TMO would be there no lifing it usually cheating or breaking rules in some manner or another. I suppose no one really cared including the server staff so for sheer totality of time spent no life griefing in EQ they were clearly dominate.

Really about mid way through Kunark we ended up with an incestuous guild membership where its been more or less the same people restarting guilds over and over trying to pretend they're something new. So anything after this long period of desperate TMO dominance in order to prepare for Velious only to lose to Rampage is more or less meaningless.

[azxten]

Also to expand on the "why" and defend my cheating accusations against TMO. Lets all recall the massive MQ2 ban wave that caught nearly the entire guild and yet everyone was let off. Quite insulting to people like myself who were banned for MQ2 for briefly verifying server integrity with no second chance.

[Alarti0001]

I voted for TMO due to their strangle hold of the server when nothing else was happening. Whenever server firsts were around they got their ass kicked but once better guilds left to play more interesting games they would mercilessly no life it at every high level location. You'd try to get in some casual EQ doing a planes clear, Seb camp, or whatever and TMO would be there no lifing it usually cheating or breaking rules in some manner or another. I suppose no one really cared including the server staff so for sheer totality of time spent no life griefing in EQ they were clearly dominate.

Really about mid way through Kunark we ended up with an incestuous guild membership where its been more or less the same people restarting guilds over and over trying to pretend they're something new. So anything after this long period of desperate TMO dominance in order to prepare for Velious only to lose to Rampage is more or less meaningless.

TMO wasn't even around for server firsts :P

[azxten]

That depends on what you consider TMO.

[Arteker]

Also to expand on the "why" and defend my cheating accusations against TMO. Lets all recall the massive MQ2 ban wave that caught nearly the entire guild and yet everyone was let off. Quite insulting to people like myself who were banned for MQ2 for briefly verifying server integrity with no second chance.

let me get this right . u admit urself used 3 party shit, got caugh and got a ban .:p

i will give u the name of the 2 tmo players wich got hit by it.

Svenn , and woopie .

[Arteker]

let me get this right . u admit urself used 3 party shit, got caugh and got a ban .:p

i will give u the name of the 2 tmo players wich got hit by it.

Svenn , and woopie .

lets not forget the most banned people hit by it was bda . maybe u can ask rogean to post that shit again .

[captain]

The consensus is that "most dominant" means the longest time period in which a guild was on top of the food chain.
Aka who was unemployed the longest, or spent the longest finishing community college. Grats to TMO on that title!

[Alarti0001]

The consensus is that "most dominant" means the longest time period in which a guild was on top of the food chain.
Aka who was unemployed the longest, or spent the longest finishing community college. Grats to TMO on that title!

I graduated from University in less than 3 years. Thanks P99.

[Redi]

Kirkland packs of knee highs required for total domination

[Endorra]

<Dial a Port>


Name one competitor they haven't crushed.

[Halfelfbard]

u still afraid of spiders?:p

Deathly afraid my brotha!

[Pokesan]

Deathly afraid my brotha!

spoiler: im gay

[Mead]

Anyone with a serious reply in this thread is a virgin for life

[Halfelfbard]

spoiler: im gay

Im happy, you?