Raid Rules thread

[AnonymousFQ_099]

After all the exciting news from yesterday, I decided to revisit the raid rules thread and I found some things in there that are a little strange:

Q1: What is considered a "raid" on Project 1999?
A: A raid is any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal. This means that three people can be considered a raid if they intend to kill Dracoliche, or 20 people clearing fear trash. Most epic NPC's are not strictly considered "raid" mobs. The exception to this is Ragefire, which is considered a 'raid target' for the purposes of qualifying a group as a raid only. For all other intents and purposes, Ragefire is treated like an Epic NPC (IE, camp/poopsock rules do not apply). Please keep in mind that because of the need to clear to a raid target, trains enacted on players in the way of your raid are considered raid violations and action could be taken against your guild as a whole, regardless of whether the victims are part of a raid. It is in your best interest to be very careful when racing for a target, especially when it involves training away mobs..

Does this mean that 8 Awakened members cannot go into the following areas and kill mobs together in the goal of acquiring loot from those mobs? Kael arena/HoT/Siren's Grotto/Dragon Necropolis? But 1 single group would be fine?

Its pretty clear, regardless of what Awakened thinks, that going into a Planar zone is a big no-no. Unless they had 1 group maybe there could be a elite EQ P99 lawyer who saw it as an "exp" group on a golem in Fear.

The other thing I noted about this is, according to these rules, Temple of Veeshan is so screwed up on this server.

"...because of the need to clear to a raid target, trains enacted on players in the way of your raid are considered raid violations and action could be taken against your guild as a whole, regardless of whether the victims are part of a raid."

Its funny to see rules in the Raid rules thread that are broken status quo here.

That is all , carry on

[Swish]

subscribed lol

[FatMice]

Can we get one more thread about what zones are raid zones? I don't think it's clear yet.

[AnonymousFQ_099]

Don't get me wrong, I am honestly wondering if anyone can clear that up. I don't see in the raid rules anything about "raid zones" just that a raid is defined as:

any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal

I really did not go searching through all of the threads to find the answer, I do not have time for that I am afraid.

The other part is hopefully Rogean decides he hates what has happened to raiding in ToV due to the extreme competitiveness that that made it was it is today and the suspension hammers start flying around in TOV.

Also, make no mistake I am in no way part of any guild on P99 that took part in anything exciting that took place yesterday. My day was spent celebrating Father's day with my kids and my Dad.

[Loke]

Where does that rule imply 8 awakened couldn't go to HoT or DN? I think your missing the fact that raid infractions generally involve 2 factors: a raid (group working toward common goal) and a raid mob. I can't think of an instance where a full guild has been raid suspended that didn't involve a raid mob. So the HoT and DN examples don't really make a ton of sense since they don't include mobs classified as raid mobs.

[Danth]

I remember way back in 2009/early 2010 when it was decreed, for a time, that only raid guilds (and, hence, players tagged with them) were allowed in the Planes. This particularly affected Plane of Fear since Lustrous Russet was dropping at the time. Considering the old-world planar zones as a whole raid-only is not new precedent. Quite the opposite. It's such an old precedent many players here weren't around for it yet. Granted, Awakened's leadership includes some of the oldest and most established players on the server, and Inglorious Basterds was the greatest single beneficiary of that early ruling. By contrast, zones such as Sebilis or Soldungb were always regarded as group zones that happened to contain a raid target.

I neither support nor oppose the present ruling since I'm not impacted by it nor party to the full circumstances under which it was made. The above comments were for historical perspective only. On a side note, I think most sane folks can agree that Temple Veeshan's a trainwreck.


Danth

[AnonymousFQ_099]

Simply this:

The #1 rule from the raid rules thread says This OR that:

A raid is any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal.

... the OR being:

any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal

Nothing here is stating any particular ZONE as being off limits. Unless it is represented elsewhere in a prior case before, P99 Lawyers will have to dig those up for me to understand any better.

[Gapher]

Nothing train wreck at all about ToV ... It was wiped clean of any and all train wrecking mobs last night.. Rumble mother tucker .. do you speak it?

[Gimp]

What's so hard about not raiding or pushing these rules for 2 weeks? Just take your punishment and move on with your life. Farm some PoM or fungis or something

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Better solution:

All characters holding the guilty parties guild tag will be forcibly removed from blue 99 and exiled to red 99.

[Cecily]

VP offlimits. Hate / fear off limits. You're not allowed to be in these zones, period, under a raid suspension.

[Gimp]

VP offlimits. Hate / fear off limits. You're not allowed to be in these zones, period, under a raid suspension.

By these same rules, I'd assume ToV would probably be a no/no as well. I'm sure you could try, but why risk even harsher penalties when Rogean dropped the hammer down yesterday?

[khanable]

I remember on past suspensions guilds were given a time frame to get heir toons out of vp

Shouldn't be in a raid zone while suspended at all

[Cecily]

The potatoes in charge of Awakened should probably stay away from ToV.
Well, actually I'm sure it's fine to just go raid HoT or something. Go ahead...

[AnonymousFQ_099]

I came up with a new one, If 2 members of Awakened are in Chardok AoE does this go against the rule? Chardok is typically 1 full group mostly proxies, and then 4-5 others outside of that group right?

any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal

inquiring minds want to know. Is this rule even enforced or just written poorly and everyone basically just means stay out of the zone's Cecily mentioned and your fine?

[Tenlaar]

Also, make no mistake I am in no way part of any guild on P99 that took part in anything exciting that took place yesterday.

Which is why you decided to make a new, anonymous forum account in order to make this thread?

[Tenlaar]

Use a new, anonymous forum account rather.

[Cecily]

This is just a thread about pedantic rules lawyering and it's super irritating. Take it from someone from TMO who's been raid suspended often, stay out of raid zones. Don't play characters in other guilds on raids. Don't drop tag and change guilds in order to raid. And also don't send hate tells to anyone who controls the duration of your suspension (idiots).

[Danth]

Poking a tiger with a stick to see whether it bites is never a good idea.

Danth

[AnonymousFQ_099]

Swish, can we get a tiger and stick clip now? thx

[drktmplr12]

I came up with a new one, If 2 members of Awakened are in Chardok AoE does this go against the rule? Chardok is typically 1 full group mostly proxies, and then 4-5 others outside of that group right?



inquiring minds want to know. Is this rule even enforced or just written poorly and everyone basically just means stay out of the zone's Cecily mentioned and your fine?

jfc dude. you are trying way too hard. Let's explain this with a couple stories:

In 1997, Larry Harris of Illinois broke into a bar owned by Jessie Ingram. Ingram, the victim of several break-ins, had recently set a trap around his windows to deter potential burglars. Harris, 37, who was under the influence of both alcohol and drugs, must have missed the warning sign prominently displayed in the window. He set off the trap as he entered the window, electrocuting himself. The police refused to file murder charges.

In September 1988, two Akron, Ohio-based carpet layers named Gordon Falker and Gregory Roach were severely burned when a three and a half gallon container of carpet adhesive ignited when the hot water heater it was sitting next to kicked on. Both men felt the warning label on the back of the can was insufficient. Words like "flammable" and "keep away from heat" didn't prepare them for the explosion.

do you understand now? ignoring warnings has consequences-regardless of whether you think the warning is adequate.

made your bed-now sleep in it.

[AnonymousFQ_099]

In reference to my post, I don't follow? Is Chardok AOE the warning? or playing on Project 1999 at all the warning?

by the way, I cannot stress anymore how this doesn't effect me, I am just really curious about these rules, and looking to see if any of you forum questers have answers to better clear it all up is all. Making for some interesting reading on a slow work day for sure.

[wwoneo]

In reference to my post, I don't follow? Is Chardok AOE the warning? or playing on Project 1999 at all the warning?

by the way, I cannot stress anymore how this doesn't effect me, I am just really curious about these rules, and looking to see if any of you forum questers have answers to better clear it all up is all. Making for some interesting reading on a slow work day for sure.

Your level of common sense is astounding.

[Nibblewitz]

I don't see the "golden rule" mentioned anywhere on these boards. Guess we shouldn't follow it.