CSG at it again

[Maner]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242172

So now that they realize they were even more uniformed about how tov worked than originally thought, they are asking for even more accommodations. Unlimited time to kill a mob once you get FTE? Youre guil dies are claiming its them figuring these encounters and such out, out of aftermath and awakened which guilds had unlimited time to try and kill dragons in tov? None, if you wiped or messed up the pull you lost your shot. The amount of self entitlement is sickening, go play on a TLP if you want to take a day to clear to a dragon. You were told from the very beginning that 1 hour wasn't going to be long enough but you refused to listen. Now you and the rest of the casuals are even claims that you are putting in the effort which is also a joke. Not surprising that the Europa cuckolds show up to parrot the ignorance coming from nemce.

Perhaps in the future you should refrain from demanding changes be made to a situation you clearly don't comprehend. At least until you are willing to test the changes you are asking for before hand. How many times did CSG go into ToV before they demanded the rule changes to see exactly what is feasible? I'm willing to guess they never went into ToV to see how long clearing to sev or even iki would take?

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/VWkvJoJ.png

[FatMice]

http://i.imgur.com/4CfZP6f.png

[Nibblewitz]

Maner, you are cool and not even remotely fat.

[xexbis0]

Incredible. Those leaderships basically want ToV to shut down so they can go crawl to their Sevalak kill. Why don't they work on an actual suggestion that would help them like, I don't know, Scale of the Wolf? Breaken and Detoxx admitted they'd still have to use SoW for the NToV mobs anyways, Scale would allow them an advantage off the blocks for mobs that are actually clearable to in an hour such as Telk/Gozz/LTK/Eashen/Ikky (ok lol maybe not Ikky)/Doze. Even if A/A were to use "some runners" as Scalers to combat those mobs, they sure as hell aren't putting their Diamondfists, Gimps, Nalkens, Bruizes (where is Bruize btw? if someone sees him can they tell him to PM me?) on Scale duty.

How do people that have so little understanding of the mechanics and reality have power over hundreds? It's incredible.

In Summary - Realistic Class R Goal
Scale of Wolf - IN

[Maner]

Maner, you are cool and not even remotely fat.

You have no idea how long it took me to type that out on my phone with these stupidly fat fingers...

[burkemi5]

How dare the casual scum of this server try to kill something different than I want REEEEE

[Spyder73]

I guess i just don't see the problem with taking a few hours to clear to and kill a dragon...who gives a sh!t? Progression is over, enjoy yourself, once you get BiS everything you are just going to have feelings of overwhelming shame and stop playing anyways.

#NoTimeLimits

[ArumTP]

All I read is they want a class system that separates A/A from them so they get free shots at BiS item dragons.

Unlimited time what a joke, just begging to be exploited. Just create some new alt guild for the purpose of obtaining FTE, and leave that dragon up, just to fuck other pulls and guilds moving around TOV

Here is your fucking rotation, we don't care so much about sevelak, he may or may not be left up depending on whats in window.

[gummab]

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[gummab]

Epic fail...

[Samoht]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242172

So now that they realize they were even more uniformed about how tov worked than originally thought, they are asking for even more accommodations. Unlimited time to kill a mob once you get FTE? Youre guil dies are claiming its them figuring these encounters and such out, out of aftermath and awakened which guilds had unlimited time to try and kill dragons in tov? None, if you wiped or messed up the pull you lost your shot. The amount of self entitlement is sickening, go play on a TLP if you want to take a day to clear to a dragon. You were told from the very beginning that 1 hour wasn't going to be long enough but you refused to listen. Now you and the rest of the casuals are even claims that you are putting in the effort which is also a joke. Not surprising that the Europa cuckolds show up to parrot the ignorance coming from nemce.

Perhaps in the future you should refrain from demanding changes be made to a situation you clearly don't comprehend. At least until you are willing to test the changes you are asking for before hand. How many times did CSG go into ToV before they demanded the rule changes to see exactly what is feasible? I'm willing to guess they never went into ToV to see how long clearing to sev or even iki would take?

Your mentality is exactly what's wrong with this server.

[Pokesan]

entitled
cuckolds

that post really hits all the key points of modern internet discourse

[JoeBob]

I guess i just don't see the problem with taking a few hours to clear to and kill a dragon...who gives a sh!t? Progression is over, enjoy yourself, once you get BiS everything you are just going to have feelings of overwhelming shame and stop playing anyways.

#NoTimeLimits

The problem is that it keeps the rest of the guilds from pulling their FTE'd mobs the way they want to. If CSG is trying to clear up from 4 way, no one can pull mobs to ent or LTK. Their 1 hour timer starts counting the second their FTE goes off.

When there are 8+ mobs in window you don't get all day to clear to them. Quickest pull and kill gets you back in line to go FTE another. If you remove time limits completely you have what was going on in Kael before. Someone FTE's Statue then leaves it up for ? hours cause its theirs. You could just FTE whatever and leave it up till you wanted. #dumb

[bktroost]

The problem is that it keeps the rest of the guilds from pulling their FTE'd mobs the way they want to. If CSG is trying to clear up from 4 way, no one can pull mobs to ent or LTK. Their 1 hour timer starts counting the second their FTE goes off.

When there are 8+ mobs in window you don't get all day to clear to them. Quickest pull and kill gets you back in line to go FTE another. If you remove time limits completely you have what was going on in Kael before. Someone FTE's Statue then leaves it up for ? hours cause its theirs. You could just FTE whatever and leave it up till you wanted. #dumb

And you can't fte anything else until you do. Think it through. All the way through. You are only hurting yourself. You don't get to FTE something else afterwards and give up your previous fte on dagarn when vulak shows up. Pick your ftes. Clear to the mob. Enjoy actually playing EQ again.

[Maner]

And you can't fte anything else until you do. Think it through. All the way through. You are only hurting yourself. You don't get to FTE something else afterwards and give up your previous fte on dagarn when vulak shows up. Pick your ftes. Clear to the mob. Enjoy actually playing EQ again.

The problem is you taking 6 hours to clear to sev negatively impacts everyone else that is capable of pulling a dragon and killing it. As soon as another target spawns your raid which is no on hour 3 just passing koi is in the direct path for even the run up FTE people. Basically people would be forced to wait until you finished your "adventure".

You have exactly the same opputinity to do exactly as A/A does however you have admittedly said you don't want to put forth the effort. So now you want accommodations that force them to play to your leve, how can you justify that as even remotely fair?

The races are already burning people out because while CSG and anon/div may think they require less manpower, they are incredibly mistaken. They should see how many more tracking hours have been added since run up started.

[Colgate]

man imagine if you could just kill the other guilds trying to kill dragons and then kill the dragons in whatever way you want without internet lawyers getting involved

welp, that's a stupid idea

*stares at a wall for 15 and a half hours*

[khanable]

The problem is you taking 6 hours to clear to sev

shits classic

[Gimp]

How do people that have so little understanding of the mechanics and reality have power over hundreds? It's incredible.

Once you step back and realize this is the sad truth of raiding on this server, it makes it much easier to say goodbye to p99

[Swish]

man imagine if you could just kill the other guilds trying to kill dragons and then kill the dragons in whatever way you want without internet lawyers getting involved

welp, that's a stupid idea

*stares at a wall for 15 and a half hours*

That would require actual skill outside of not having a job.

[bktroost]

Once you step back and realize this is the sad truth of raiding on this server, it makes it much easier to say goodbye to p99

Death of WoW (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/there-will-never-be-another-world-of-warcraft?trk_source=recommended)


It's happening everywhere. Adapt to a less hardcore mentality not because CSG is a thorn in your side, but because, realistically, you don't have the juice. No one does. Relax, the server will still be here if AG takes 65 minutes to kill Sevalak instead if 60. ( btw we cothed up and killed everything from PoM to Sevalak other than the wurms which we ran out of time and botched).



I don't think the goodwill that's keeping players in the game will last forever. After all, we still have months until the next expansion, Legion. In the past it was relatively easy to deal with these long "content droughts" by fighting our way through harder versions of the existing dungeons, but for World of Warcraft's increasingly older and comparatively devoted "old guard," that's simply not possible anymore. So many of us are approaching middle age now. Many others have already reached it. Ain't nobody got time for that.

It's partly why Taulbee quit earlier this year. He finds he just can't stomach the commitments necessary for his former achievements. When his current guild asked him to start raiding four nights a week to progress through one of Warlords of Draenor's raid instances, he just walked away and started devoting his time to games he could enjoy to their fullest on his free time. It's a mindset that's shared by Michael, our former guild leader, who hasn't played World of Warcraft since 2012 and who spends much of the free time he formerly devoted to games like World of Warcraft in shorter, match-based multiplayer games like League of Legends.

"I have time for raiding, to be honest," he says, "but there's a difference between having time and being able to say 'Yes, you can rely on me to be on from 7 to 11 on this night.'"

World of Warcraft's future thus depends on its ability to adapt to these circumstances

[bktroost]

That bottom section should be in quotes. Sorry I'm bad at forums.

[FatMice]

...thus depends on its ability to adapt to these circumstances

WoW Adapted. Rogean's attitude is answer to none. It shouldn't surpsie you of the mentatility this server has with it's host and creator with a well documented mindset as such. Then again you would just say you're not surprised, you would twist you're reasoning as a justified hero for the common man. Clearly Sirken has been as much of an advocate for the casual mindset. Answer my question.

Honest question:
Why are you not interested in instance raiding? You seem to really want to play the game your way. In an instance you could do exactly. On top of which you wouldn't ever have to interact with the brothel going hardcore scum you detest of.

Now for my rant:
The whole training is against the rules is unfortunately a poor deflection from the real issue, because when we train mobs it isn't intended to train a person or guild. If this does happen, when we are caught, (yes I said caught) we concede. It's really that simple. You just don't want to deal. Or perhaps you are a masochist?

[Mistle]

Your mentality is exactly what's wrong with this server.

You have to keep in mind Maner literally said EQ was life. You cannot reason with an irrational person via rationality.

[Maner]

You have to keep in mind Maner literally said EQ was life. You cannot reason with an irrational person via rationality.

Nah kid. I said that as in life what you get out of a game like Everquest is directly proportionate to how much time and effort you put forth. That doesn't mean EQ is life it means that it shares that same principle with real life.

Now please learn to read and try not to take your liberally minded ignorance and spin what I say. Go back to phiny with the rest of BDA who couldn't cut it.

[Thiefboy777]

That would require actual skill outside of not having a job.

Well you got that no job part on lockdown.

[Danth]

I said that as in life what you get out of a game like Everquest is directly proportionate to how much time and effort you put forth. That doesn't mean EQ is life it means that it shares that same principle with real life..

'Cept that isn't particularly true either on P99 or out in the greater world. Progression on P99 is determined mostly by what guild a player chooses to join; success in the larger world depends primarily on the wealth of one's parents. The few exceptions to either simply serve to illustrate the general trend.

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As for the raid situation....I've said it before, I'll say it again, the folks who want change are going about it wrong when they try to work within the system. Leave, organize a mass exodus, have a sit-in, do *something*. They'll continue ignoring you until you make yourselves impossible to ignore. If change can be made--that's debatable at this point--it'll take some sort of shock to motivate it. Nice guys finish last. I don't much care one way or the other--I don't raid to any great degree and don't plan on doing so--but I feel bad when I see decent folks like CSG beating their heads against the probverbial wall.

Danth

[Swish]

Well you got that no job part on lockdown.

Sorry that you're jaded and having to resort to personal attacks. I have a job of course ;)

[manguard]

OP is one hardcore dude. God I wish I were that cool.

[Ella`Ella]

If Breaken and Pint stop responding to these disgusting casual rats, eventually they'll starve themselves out of the food chain. Right now A/A are giving them breadcrumbs and we all know the, "Give a cuck a cookie" saying...

[Ciroco]

we all know the, "Give a cuck a cookie" saying...

Please, go on

[JurisDictum]

Death of WoW (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/there-will-never-be-another-world-of-warcraft?trk_source=recommended)


It's happening everywhere. Adapt to a less hardcore mentality not because CSG is a thorn in your side, but because, realistically, you don't have the juice. No one does. Relax, the server will still be here if AG takes 65 minutes to kill Sevalak instead if 60. ( btw we cothed up and killed everything from PoM to Sevalak other than the wurms which we ran out of time and botched).



I don't think the goodwill that's keeping players in the game will last forever. After all, we still have months until the next expansion, Legion. In the past it was relatively easy to deal with these long "content droughts" by fighting our way through harder versions of the existing dungeons, but for World of Warcraft's increasingly older and comparatively devoted "old guard," that's simply not possible anymore. So many of us are approaching middle age now. Many others have already reached it. Ain't nobody got time for that.

It's partly why Taulbee quit earlier this year. He finds he just can't stomach the commitments necessary for his former achievements. When his current guild asked him to start raiding four nights a week to progress through one of Warlords of Draenor's raid instances, he just walked away and started devoting his time to games he could enjoy to their fullest on his free time. It's a mindset that's shared by Michael, our former guild leader, who hasn't played World of Warcraft since 2012 and who spends much of the free time he formerly devoted to games like World of Warcraft in shorter, match-based multiplayer games like League of Legends.

"I have time for raiding, to be honest," he says, "but there's a difference between having time and being able to say 'Yes, you can rely on me to be on from 7 to 11 on this night.'"

World of Warcraft's future thus depends on its ability to adapt to these circumstances

Yea I got sucked into competitive games, but found myself missing the more communal atmosphere of old MMOs. I look at p99 as having the potential to be a socially healthy thing like a bowling league or something. Right now, its more of a heroin alley -- where addicts chase dragons all night. I think there has to be some way out of the status quo.

[Llodd]

'Cept that isn't particularly true either on P99 or out in the greater world. Progression on P99 is determined mostly by what guild a player chooses to join; success in the larger world depends primarily on the wealth of one's parents. The few exceptions to either simply serve to illustrate the general trend.

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As for the raid situation....I've said it before, I'll say it again, the folks who want change are going about it wrong when they try to work within the system. Leave, organize a mass exodus, have a sit-in, do *something*. They'll continue ignoring you until you make yourselves impossible to ignore. If change can be made--that's debatable at this point--it'll take some sort of shock to motivate it. Nice guys finish last. I don't much care one way or the other--I don't raid to any great degree and don't plan on doing so--but I feel bad when I see decent folks like CSG beating their heads against the probverbial wall.

Danth

Nilbog has said he won't ever make changes to his vision of classic and if that means people leave the server so be it. He's not here to make people happy. No reason not to think the current shitshow raidscene falls into the same category.

Having said that there is precedent for change in the form of the class system that came in. Unfortunately that silver lining is a few years down the line.

[Turp]

You are only hurting yourself. .
no u
by not pushing for lower variance. which would help both sides.

enjoy the races and the fight for more repops and rotations...gl

[Gorillas]

man imagine if you could just kill the other guilds trying to kill dragons and then kill the dragons in whatever way you want without internet lawyers getting involved

welp, that's a stupid idea

*stares at a wall for 15 and a half hours*

Aren't you in college yet still play 80 hours? Get a life fatass

[Sodors Finest Poster]

http://i.imgur.com/nSo2943.jpg

[Gorillas]

Nah kid. I said that as in life what you get out of a game like Everquest is directly proportionate to how much time and effort you put forth. That doesn't mean EQ is life it means that it shares that same principle with real life.

Now please learn to read and try not to take your liberally minded ignorance and spin what I say. Go back to phiny with the rest of BDA who couldn't cut it.

Couldn't cut it? Lol this isn't some prestigious accreditation or test, it's about a central gang of about 200 players without lives who control a server of 1000 because they bitch and whine the most.

You're not doing anything impressive by sitting in NToV waiting for some bullshit COTH pull, you're doing NOTHING

[Lammy]

Nah kid. I said that as in life what you get out of a game like Everquest is directly proportionate to how much time and effort you put forth. That doesn't mean EQ is life it means that it shares that same principle with real life.


the only thing that real life and eq have in common is that your government subsidies pay for both

[Swish]

Turn on pvp in raid zones

[Sodors Finest Poster]

I say let the hardcore raiders keep their pixel faucet. Its the only source of wealth in their life that they have.

I often feel sorry for them as I think about it while I bang hot Sodor chicks every other night.

[Spyder73]

Sorry that you're jaded and having to resort to personal attacks. I have a job of course ;)

Yea because you would never make personal attacks...especially not about going to Los Vegas and hanging out with minor celebrities

[maskedmelon]

How much do you think raid spawns could sell for?

[Spyder73]

Ask Rampage/Awakened - Lots of high level toons available for RMT still...and they arn't coming from Aftermath

[Swish]

Yea because you would never make personal attacks...especially not about going to Los Vegas and hanging out with minor celebrities

That's not personal. I never said anything specific about an individual.

Also there's a difference between hanging out with Tito Ortiz and seeing Tito Ortiz across a room.

[Trungep99]

http://i.imgur.com/VWkvJoJ.png

this is amazing

[Tuljin]

^^^^^ definitely bumpworthy

Ill also further take advantage of the bump with a pretty solid piece of advice pertaining to the "raid scene" on P99

Go the fuck outside

I'm talking especially to the nolifers with shit attitudes who for some reason unbeknownst to me want to continue "competitively" "raiding" Velious dargonz for the rest of their sad, pathetic lives. Its not cute anymore and now actually really fucking pathetic.

Its people like CSG bringing new people to the server and keeping it going. The "hardcores" cause burnout and turnover. The only people who dont burn out are the same assholes who have been making this server a shitty place for years. Years.

Also, there are far too many nubs who claim to be "hardcore" till theyre blue in the face just because they poopsock and batphone yet can't even fucking actually play EQ.

[Gimp]

To be fair, there's probably only 20 people between A/A that are 100% full immersion neckbeards. The rest aren't nearly as bad.

[FatMice]

To be fair, there's probably only 20 people between A/A that are 100% full immersion neckbeards. The rest aren't nearly as bad.

Imagine if these people just made their own guild. What would the raid scene look then?

[maerilith]

If you are unhappy playing on blue, mabye you should try red and also vote about your experience on blue (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243510).

[Ravager]

To be fair, there's probably only 20 people between A/A that are 100% full immersion neckbeards. The rest aren't nearly as bad.

The rest are just neckbeard enablers, which is as detrimental to the server as full neckbeardery.