Aftermath eating a full 10 days raid suspension

[TMBLOW]

they didn't break shit. the rules of kael is foot race > get FTE > take a casual amount of time to setup and kill the mob you won the rights to have first attempt. its not a stall. it doesn't even come close to that rule.


Since when does 'setup' involve mobilizing to ToV and killing Dragons there while leaving 0 people in Kael?

[lookoutfrog]

First post ever. First, when I used to play on server considerably more than I currently do, I thought it was absolutely ridiculous when I found out my monk would not be able to get far into epic without paying some guys for a pipe because they somehow had dibs on an entire zone, Chardok. That was my first clue that some people take this game too far. About 3 weeks ago I started playing a little with a friend who still plays a little, it was my first time playing since kunark. I just wanted to post and let you all know that I think you are all fucking ridiculous. I'm absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and a little worried for humanities sake that some of you care so much about this game that you play the amount you do, literally "sit in a spawn point for 16 hours" and then create so many problems for people just trying to play Everquest. What really blows me away is the shit the owners and GMs must go through to keep you guys happy. If I were them I would have banned all of you. I guarantee you'd all start new accounts, but at least I wouldn't have to put up with your shit, cause you'd know the price. Just remember that the eventual decline in new players that will inevitably occur, partly because they will have to deal with you dipshits eventually if they do level up, will be the demise of this server. When there is no one left to show off your pretty items to, what will you do? Keep in mind you faggots are the minority on this server. Sent from iPhone didn't proof read grammar, maybe I'll check back in a few years and see if I can complete my epic without having to pay you guys. Good luck with whatever it is you guys do.

[nicemace]

Since when does 'setup' involve mobilizing to ToV and killing Dragons there while leaving 0 people in Kael?

as I said. shitty defined rules. they didn't break any rules because the rules are so fucking shit.

[Ella`Ella]

First post ever. First, when I used to play on server considerably more than I currently do, I thought it was absolutely ridiculous when I found out my monk would not be able to get far into epic without paying some guys for a pipe because they somehow had dibs on an entire zone, Chardok. That was my first clue that some people take this game too far. About 3 weeks ago I started playing a little with a friend who still plays a little, it was my first time playing since kunark. I just wanted to post and let you all know that I think you are all fucking ridiculous. I'm absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and a little worried for humanities sake that some of you care so much about this game that you play the amount you do, literally "sit in a spawn point for 16 hours" and then create so many problems for people just trying to play Everquest. What really blows me away is the shit the owners and GMs must go through to keep you guys happy. If I were them I would have banned all of you. I guarantee you'd all start new accounts, but at least I wouldn't have to put up with your shit, cause you'd know the price. Just remember that the eventual decline in new players that will inevitably occur, partly because they will have to deal with you dipshits eventually if they do level up, will be the demise of this server. When there is no one left to show off your pretty items to, what will you do? Keep in mind you faggots are the minority on this server. Sent from iPhone didn't proof read grammar, maybe I'll check back in a few years and see if I can complete my epic without having to pay you guys. Good luck with whatever it is you guys do.

Dude types all this on his iPhone and calls us immersed? Am I right??

[Endonde]

The real travesty of this whole situation is that somehow Gimpster was able to get an FTE, the player skill level must have really fallen off since I've been gone.

[FatMice]

Dude types all this on his iPhone and calls us immersed? Am I right??

:):D:p:D

[VANVEM]

they didn't break shit. the rules of kael is foot race > get FTE > take a casual amount of time to setup and kill the mob you won the rights to have first attempt. its not a stall. it doesn't even come close to that rule.

the rules are retarded. they were just playing by the rules. no rules are going to fix this server. the raid scene needs a change in dynamic away from classic... but the staff wont do that so enjoy.

ps im not in aftermath

Are you fucking retarded? i posted the rules, the kael rules are posted here as well, no where does it change the the rule of stalling, it said you had one attempt.

But it did not say that the part of about not FTEing just to prevent another guild from engaging was rescinded, and whether your stupid fucking ass can understand it or not, that does not mean that it doesnt exist. Actually it's opposite, the existed and recorded rule would take precedant. thanks for playing

[arsenalpow]

Dude types all this on his iPhone and calls us immersed? Am I right??

That's a legit TLDR. Have some respect and used a line break.

[dafier]

Dude types all this on his iPhone and calls us immersed? Am I right??

http://i.imgur.com/Ju0Rddw.gif

[FatMice]

Haha. Great gif.

[Maner]

A. Nobody is reaching:

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

This was from Sirken's latest update, even a 1st grader like yourself should be able to understand this. I can hear you arguing already that the "Kael rules don't state that, the Kael Rules were about FTE and 1 attempt, which may have taken some guilds longer than others, but it did not allow for stalling.

AND B. The only People laughing is Aftermath, because they got one over on the server. But did they? we'll see by the staff's response. but here is a quote to prove the Deliberate intent of this gesture.



funny I notice Detoxx edited that particular quate but failed to indicate that that assumption was no longer valid, wonder why?

Multiple people asked for clarification and for a consensus to be reached in regards to how much time after the FTE. No one was willing to come to an agreement so now you can kick rocks pretty much.

[nicemace]

Are you fucking retarded? i posted the rules, the kael rules are posted here as well, no where does it change the the rule of stalling, it said you had one attempt.

But it did not say that the part of about not FTEing just to prevent another guild from engaging was rescinded, and whether your stupid fucking ass can understand it or not, that does not mean that it doesnt exist. Actually it's opposite, the existed and recorded rule would take precedant. thanks for playing

yeah and there is nothing defined about what goes on between that one attempt. the FTE in kael specifically gives you time to engage. its not like FTE's in other zones where its FTE and pull.

stall is in relation to preventing other guilds from engaging. when no other guild is entitled to engage, you're not stalling you can take your merry old time.

don't get me wrong. aftermath fucked the raid scene completely after they whinged about autofire and had all these shitty rules introduced. but they have not broken any rule with their actions in kael. sure they might be scumbags but they are still operating by the awfully defined rules that have been awfully imposed.

as I said. shitty defined rules = shitty ruleset.

[Maner]

[QUOTE=FatMice;2234542]

Dude! Read what I am typing and understand it, I have (for the sake of this discussion) conceded the fact that Detoxx, Pint, and the rest of aftermath are all sincere in what they are saying. and that they may VERY WELL have the best intentions here,but......

BUT YOU BROKE THE MOTHER FUCKING RULES! that fact hasn't changed, and in the most disrespectful way possible, if in fact you wanted to change things what they SHOULD have done is brought this very scenario up in the summit, they had the chance and if you go back and listen to it now, after the fact. it is blatantly obvious that they already had this planned. IF they had it would have been addressed, everyone of the GL's would have made damn sure they had. But by doing it this way, Pint is saying "see, I warned you"

Yep thats a great way to get people to trust in your motives, if Aftermath wants to Prove to the entire server that they mean what they are saying the Detoxx should approach the other GL's and offer a concession for stalling before a ruling comes down and ask that they all come back to the table to work out some real rules

In regards to the FTE races, it is basically a stall according to our rules as soon as one guild drops FTE and that same guild then clears to the mob. As the rule states you don't get an FTE message if you are not ready to engage the mob right then. The stalking rule is moot as the race up rule set superseded it.

[Maner]

We've got two infractions against Aftermath, though. 1) leaving the start too early (before KT popped) and 2) stalling (not allowed to leave the zone after you FTE). Even though they clearly broke two different rules on the same engage, I would settle to punish them as one infraction together. Agree to sit out next two KTs or eat 10 day ban and have loot deleted.

Where in the stalling rules does it state you are not allowed to leave the zone? Once you zoned out it would drop FTE. The race up rules overwrote the stalking rules in this case.

[Maner]

I'll take your word on the FTE, but you or anyone of the people here from aftermath please show me where in the "new" kael rules it changes:

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

Please do not respond with They didn't answer or they said unlimited time, neither of those addresses the fact that FTE was gained with no intent to engage. Which according to Sirken's raid rule is The spirit of the rule

so with that said, what they did was NOT entirely legal. Again I don't think it warrants a 10 day suspenson, but allowing someone to "teach the server a lesson" by Blatantly breaking the Spirit of the Rule. has to be the Absofuckinglutley worst thing we could do to try and make the server a better place.

According to the race up rule, you don't even need your force in the zone when the FTE goes off. How does this stall rule still have any bearing?

[JurisDictum]

I'm a member of aftermath but have been a little ghosty lately, so I'm a bit removed from the current drama. Some advice ill give guilds trying to break into the NToV/Kael scene:

1) Sirken has been accused of bias by players in every top guild on the server. IB, TMO, Rampage, Aftermath whatever. The only bias this guy has is a tendency to keep the status quo and listen to the party with the most hard evidence. This tends to favor the currently most powerful guild(s).

2) Its not as easy to create rigged rules as you think. EQ is a surprising complicated game, evidenced by how guilds continue to innovate in this 17 year old game filled with fanatics that really should know everything by now. I remember we thought we were being cleaver by allowing instant FTEs by trackers vs Rampage...it didn't work out very well.

3) This server's raid scene will never be casual friendly. The staff has historically been very clear that there needs to be a place in the server for no-lifers that want to play 12 hours everyday...its classic.

[Stormfists]

How have you nerds thudded out 28 pages to SirkenQuest...

Go outside.

[Gimp]

The real travesty of this whole situation is that somehow Gimpster was able to get an FTE, the player skill level must have really fallen off since I've been gone.

I loves u

[bspa0700]

I'm only 18 pages in...

But has it been mentioned yet that both Awakened AND Aftermath ran up in Kael immediately on rumble to secure FTE on both? There seems to be alot of hate for Detoxx and Aftermath right now, but all that happened is we won a run up, that only 2 guilds were contesting...

[Ravager]

Detoxx knows he got away with breaking the rules, otherwise he wouldn't be melting down over an imaginary petition in raid discussion.

[snots]

http://i.imgur.com/6UPqRy8.jpg

[Gimp]

http://i.imgur.com/6UPqRy8.jpg

that's awesome

[Pezy]

I'm only 18 pages in...

But has it been mentioned yet that both Awakened AND Aftermath ran up in Kael immediately on rumble to secure FTE on both? There seems to be alot of hate for Detoxx and Aftermath right now, but all that happened is we won a run up, that only 2 guilds were contesting...

Witness it in all its glory right here! (https://gfycat.com/BabyishConsciousGannet)

[Herp]

The real travesty of this whole situation is that somehow Gimpster was able to get an FTE, the player skill level must have really fallen off since I've been gone.
The problem was, unlike Kunark, the mobs didn't spawn when the earthquake happened. It took 2-3 minutes for a lot of the shit to spawn.

[Freakish]

I'm only 18 pages in...

But has it been mentioned yet that both Awakened AND Aftermath ran up in Kael immediately on rumble to secure FTE on both? There seems to be alot of hate for Detoxx and Aftermath right now, but all that happened is we won a run up, that only 2 guilds were contesting...

I assumed it was the other guilds such as the CSG alliance that were most put out. They were the ones who formed up and were going to attempt Tormax. But I really don't know who is who unless they include a sig with a guild tag.

I don't know why any awakened would care that it was left up in a safety bubble for aftermath, except that they couldn't put it on their kill list. Really the people most hurt by this situation were the ones not stepping foot in tov.

[xexbis0]

Pint, Gimp, and everyone else from Aftermath...no one is buying what you're selling so just stop. It was a scummy move. Just admit you took advantage of a stupid rule, and it was selfish and move on. Those 2 mobs probably cost you more in server PR just by how you went about it and are trying to defend it in this thread. You truly exposed your true colors. As the dust settles and Awakened doesn't shit the bed on the next repop, all that will be remembered was how big of a bag of dicks you were after the rule summit. Kudos. You did get some unbelievable AoW loot though.

[trite]

The problem was, unlike Kunark, the mobs didn't spawn when the earthquake happened. It took 2-3 minutes for a lot of the shit to spawn.

You're right but it wasn't that long....it wasn't instant and they didn't spawn immediately most likely because the earthquake script is written with a spawn delay based on the old raid rules so people could get the fuck out of the zone and not disqualify themselves from attempting the mob (no one could be in plane of hate or fear when the gods spawned).....now that we have these rules where you can be in the zone things are different...every guild was full of ignorant people, especially after fake april fools quake. Half the members were probably saying "its fake right mobs didn't spawn"....the other half ran straight to targets....you can't run to a target that hasn't spawned yet....it's against the rules.....bottom line, earthquake script needs to be updated and raid rules need to explicitly account for earthquakes

[Gimp]

Pint, Gimp, and everyone else from Aftermath...no one is buying what you're selling so just stop. It was a scummy move. Just admit you took advantage of a stupid rule, and it was selfish and move on. Those 2 mobs probably cost you more in server PR just by how you went about it and are trying to defend it in this thread. You truly exposed your true colors. As the dust settles and Awakened doesn't shit the bed on the next repop, all that will be remembered was how big of a bag of dicks you were after the rule summit. Kudos. You did get some unbelievable AoW loot though.

I'll take "things unlikely to happen for 500, Bob"

ps, get my name out ya mouth, lil boy

[Cochonou]

Yikes. You anonymous forum accounts are doing such a bad job that you inadvertantly caused Chest to come on here and take Aftermath's side. Take a lap.

Who came here and took Aftermath's side ?

[Prismaticshop]

Who came here and took Aftermath's side ?

Here's the bottom line, and everyone knows I hate Detoxx, but Aftermath didn't do anything illegal this time. It may have been grimy to ice Tormax after getting FTE but it was within the rules because the rule was shitty. It's perfectly normal to take off the second the ground shakes. I've seen multiple VP footraces under those exact same circumstances.

I don't like the ruling, I don't like Detoxx and his short bus crew, but they are legally in the clear on this one.

Chest himself.

Suck a dong Cochonou :D

[Cochonou]

Chest himself.

Suck a dong Cochonou :D

[quido]

Just here for my daily reminder to you all about how much blue sucks and how big of maggots you all are for raiding there still.

[quido]

p.s. I truly hate you both and wish you would die.

[Prismaticshop]

^ played 3000 hours on blue,

confirmed fat and still caring

[Cochonou]

p.s. I truly hate you both and wish you would die.

Waiting on your packets of death then

[quido]

Damn I posted that in the wrong thread. And I was off to such a beautiful start - the start of a day spent forumquesting at work.

Luckily my favorite times on blue were spent engaging in train wars in VP, something actually fun that actually has a real skill threshold.

[Cochonou]

Tortue and Yapas too were engaging train wars, without many success

[Phantasm]

Guys they broke the rules!
- salty losers

We need more rules
- shady winners

Nerds, fucking nerds

[trite]

First post ever. First, when I used to play on server considerably more than I currently do, I thought it was absolutely ridiculous when I found out my monk would not be able to get far into epic without paying some guys for a pipe because they somehow had dibs on an entire zone, Chardok. That was my first clue that some people take this game too far. About 3 weeks ago I started playing a little with a friend who still plays a little, it was my first time playing since kunark. I just wanted to post and let you all know that I think you are all fucking ridiculous. I'm absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and a little worried for humanities sake that some of you care so much about this game that you play the amount you do, literally "sit in a spawn point for 16 hours" and then create so many problems for people just trying to play Everquest. What really blows me away is the shit the owners and GMs must go through to keep you guys happy. If I were them I would have banned all of you. I guarantee you'd all start new accounts, but at least I wouldn't have to put up with your shit, cause you'd know the price. Just remember that the eventual decline in new players that will inevitably occur, partly because they will have to deal with you dipshits eventually if they do level up, will be the demise of this server. When there is no one left to show off your pretty items to, what will you do? Keep in mind you faggots are the minority on this server. Sent from iPhone didn't proof read grammar, maybe I'll check back in a few years and see if I can complete my epic without having to pay you guys. Good luck with whatever it is you guys do.


This guy is a newb without a clue, first of all Chardok groups make it easier to get pipe not harder. Any of your guildies that are in chardok for any amount of time will happily MQ this pipe for you, I've had one in the bank forever and can't give it away.

Secondly, almost no one tracks for an entire 16 hours, you take turns with your friends a couple hours at a time.

Third, this implementation of everquest has had a good of run as any of the original servers. 6 and a half years in and the population is as high or higher than it ever was...6 and a half years into original everquest and i was done forever with that shit

[Thana8088]

This guy is a newb without a clue, first of all Chardok groups make it easier to get pipe not harder. Any of your guildies that are in chardok for any amount of time will happily MQ this pipe for you, I've had one in the bank forever and can't give it away.

Secondly, almost no one tracks for an entire 16 hours, you take turns with your friends a couple hours at a time.

Third, this implementation of everquest has had a good of run as any of the original servers. 6 and a half years in and the population is as high or higher than it ever was...6 and a half years into original everquest and i was done forever with that shit


You may as well try to talk sense into a Trump supporter.

These people have made up their minds. Don't confuse them with the facts.

[Spyder73]

.

[Swifty]

Tortue and Yapas too were engaging train wars, without many success

both are french, doesn't count

[Swish]

Guys they broke the rules!
- salty losers

We need more rules
- shady winners

Nerds, fucking nerds

Or there's that wolf in sheep's clothing of "lets make a rotation", right? ;)

[Nibblewitz]

so pathetic

[xexbis0]

I'll take "things unlikely to happen for 500, Bob"

ps, get my name out ya mouth, lil boy

Are you just upset the only time you've done something productive for Detoxx was what seemed to everyone else an illegal jump on a Kael FTE?

No really. Sick FTE brother. You killed it. The competition was fierce. The blood was boiling. Racers were falling by the dozen and Gimp came out victorious.

[JurisDictum]

You may as well try to talk sense into a Trump supporter.

These people have made up their minds. Don't confuse them with the facts.

The pipe is easy on p99

The population has been about the same for half a decade

You haven't presented any real solutions, just bitching.

You lose sir.

[Gimp]

Are you just upset the only time you've done something productive for Detoxx was what seemed to everyone else an illegal jump on a Kael FTE?

No really. Sick FTE brother. You killed it. The competition was fierce. The blood was boiling. Racers were falling by the dozen and Gimp came out victorious.

About time someone recognized the immense amount of skill that took. Preach on brotha, preach on.

[quido]

Before I played P99 I used to think that your average European was a cultured intellectual with some renaissance-man-like skills.

Now I know better.

[Thana8088]

The pipe is easy on p99

The population has been about the same for half a decade

You haven't presented any real solutions, just bitching.

You lose sir.


Are YOU talking to ME?

[Swifty]

Before I played P99 I used to think that your average European was a cultured intellectual with some renaissance-man-like skills.

Now I know better.

Shots fired..

[Godefroi]

Are you just upset the only time you've done something productive for Detoxx was what seemed to everyone else an illegal jump on a Kael FTE?

No really. Sick FTE brother. You killed it. The competition was fierce. The blood was boiling. Racers were falling by the dozen and Gimp came out victorious.

Half of our guild didn't want gimp to become a member. The only reason he got in is cause he's got 15 hours to throw here and then to get an FTE , then brag about it in RnF apparently.

[Nibblewitz]

Half of our guild didn't want gimp to become a member.

So Gimp is not a member of Aftermath?

[Ella`Ella]

Half of our guild didn't want gimp to become a member. The only reason he got in is cause he's got 15 hours to throw here and then to get an FTE , then brag about it in RnF apparently.

Is this the kind of comraderie one should expect from Aftermath? Yikes!

[khanable]

Gimp is an asset, ya'll dumb if you don't want him

Should be kissing the ground his silly enchanter paths along

[Godefroi]

Gimp is an asset, ya'll dumb if you don't want him

Should be kissing the ground his silly enchanter paths along

You can have him back in Rampage.

oh

[FatMice]

Awesome. Now this thread is much better.

[Gimp]

just couldn't help yourself, could you Visceral?

[Godefroi]

Never trust the french !

Ask chest about it

[Swish]

BDA is more like modern day Germany. They'll take anyone from anywhere... numbers are the only thing that matter, and there's never enough citizens there.

[Detoxx]

Pras Gimp

[fiveeauxfour]

who let all the causals out of their cages?

[rictus204]

!

[yeaboykk]

Gimp and Visceral need to join RnF forces

[thewrush]

Consider Real Life

[Sodors Finest Poster]

I'm not reading 33 pages. Anything good come of this?

http://i.imgur.com/JspGcCp.gif

[Fire Beetle]

I'm not reading 33 pages. Anything good come of this?

http://i.imgur.com/JspGcCp.gif

Aftermath owned the repop.
Awakened's green text became inner-guild hate propaganda.
Casual guilds lost their shit.
Casual guilds pushed Sirken to change raid rules.
ToV now will become even more of the std hell-hole Nemce wanted to avoid but simultaneously helped create it by crying for handouts.

[arsenalpow]

Aftermath owned the repop.
Awakened's green text became inner-guild hate propaganda.
Casual guilds lost their shit.
Casual guilds pushed Sirken to change raid rules.
ToV now will become even more of the std hell-hole Nemce wanted to avoid but simultaneously helped create it by crying for handouts.

Awakened conceded everything in North to get Vulak, Aftermath iced Tormax with a bad ruling, and I don't know who got other stuff. Not sure how that qualifies as "owned the repop" but ok. Also, the raid scene re-work had been in the making for a while. It's been a slow burn, there wasn't one single catalyst that suddenly frustrated everyone.

[Gimp]

Today is about to be the biggest clusterfuck.

Gonna be so retarded.

[Fire Beetle]

The single catalyst is the road block for new people to enter the raid scene without applying to the current end game guild on the server. But you know that, I don't have to tell you.

[Fire Beetle]

Today is about to be the biggest clusterfuck.

Gonna be so retarded.

Let's hope CSG and BDA and all the other guilds that want to compete are in full force during prime time.

[Gimp]

There's just so many small aspects of these rules that will pop up and have everyone frothing at the mouth to get someone gone for 10 days. I guess every guild is gonna wanna pull to LTK as well since people are already starting their prelawyering about a zone in pull, so that'll be a fun desync fest.

Like literally, this is gonna be worse than 300 people sitting under Traks spawn.

[Fire Beetle]

Lets bring back rotations am I right?! Let each guild get 1 day a week like the server did with Plane of Sky and make mob variance a total of 168 hours, or +/- 84 hours. It will be a casino style ToV! You never know what you're going to get!

[Man0warr]

I'm sure you guys will be fine. No one but you is gonna suck ToV on a Wednesday.

[Fire Beetle]

Chest does a good job at predicting the future. Also I appreciate him pointing out that the rules clearly aren't thought out well.

[Gimp]

Chest might be a self-righteous prick, but he's not dumb.

[arsenalpow]

Chest might be a self-righteous prick, but he's not dumb.

Solid sig material right there I'll tell you what.

[Fire Beetle]

I like the "what the fuck did you think was going to happen during this meeting" to Sirken when Sirken realized no common ground was found during the Great Summit of the Nerds.

[Legday]

There is really no need for hundreds of people to be logged in to ToV at once unless several dragons are up and being killed.

Racers race, everybody else at char select or playing alts. Hell, even mains if you're bound in ToV or nearby. When your guild secures the FTE, batphone>mobilize to ToV/log in and kill it.

All of the guilds need to subscribe to the mentality that there is no need to flood the zone logging in your raid force while the race is still happening.

This can also translate over to everybody killing at the west exit. If guilds can keep there people logged out most of the time and not logging in unless its time to pull - west kills can work for all.

Also, I understand some of the guilds newer to North might prefer to clear to the dragon, but that's a recipe for disaster the way the rules are now written. It might not be so bad once the windows spread out 3-4 days (puke), but this week and next there is a very high probability that dragon 1 spawns and guild A is clearing there, somewhere in North, and dragon 2 spawns and the race trains the absolute sh*t out of guild A.

The disaster scenarios are far fewer when the mob gets train pulled to west, or even the entrance.

Raid discussion post has some good direction to it. Props to all the GL's posting there, even Chest.

[Nibblewitz]

Who wants to pull north dragons to west? Sounds lame.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Who wants to raid on project 1999? Sounds lame.

[maskedmelon]

Good post.

[Ciroco]

Also, I understand some of the guilds newer to North might prefer to clear to the dragon, but that's a recipe for disaster the way the rules are now written. It might not be so bad once the windows spread out 3-4 days (puke), but this week and next there is a very high probability that dragon 1 spawns and guild A is clearing there, somewhere in North, and dragon 2 spawns and the race trains the absolute sh*t out of guild A.

Racers are still responsible for their trains, no?

[Fire Beetle]

Racers are still responsible for their trains, no?

Past ZoneIn probably not. Train wars 2.0 about to happen.

[maskedmelon]

Past ZoneIn probably not. Train wars 2.0 about to happen.

[Enter Sodor's Finest Poster]

[Gimp]

Racers are still responsible for their trains, no?

Almost impossible to enforce. Its gonna be a shitshow lol

[Legday]

Its gonna be a shitshow

Its gonna be a shitshow

Its gonna be a shitshow

Its gonna be a shitshow

[Sodors Finest Poster]

You'll see more trains in Tov this week than watching 16 hours of Thomas and Friends.

[skipdog]

Sirken's mouth directly to our officer.

That is just enraging.

Why play on this server at all?

I've already found a new home. I can't even mention the server by name or my post will get deleted and I'll get banned. I'll bet most of the playerbase isn't even aware that there is a classic server that CANNOT BE NAMED in these forums. Quite sad what this server's staff has become.

[Tuljin]

I like the "what the fuck did you think was going to happen during this meeting" to Sirken when Sirken realized no common ground was found during the Great Summit of the Nerds.

Rofl

[Pokesan]

That is just enraging.

Why play on this server at all?

I've already found a new home. I can't even mention the server by name or my post will get deleted and I'll get banned. I'll bet most of the playerbase isn't even aware that there is a classic server that CANNOT BE NAMED in these forums. Quite sad what this server's staff has become.

I'm glad you're gone if you think that's a good server. It was 100% founded by butthurt cheaters who got banned, it exists only to troll the the server theyre banned from, offers incompetently polished content, PEQ level accuracy, and is highly rated among the weirdest assholes ever to grace everquest emulation.

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm glad you're gone if you think that's a good server. It was 100% founded by butthurt cheaters who got banned, it exists only to troll the the server theyre banned from, offers incompetently polished content, PEQ level accuracy, and is highly rated among the weirdest assholes ever to grace everquest emulation.

man in the hole shots fired in this very thread.

u tried to dunk on a ruling n got dunked 7 days ago. would u make the same choice again?

[Swish]

I'm glad you're gone if you think that's a good server. It was 100% founded by butthurt cheaters who got banned, it exists only to troll the the server theyre banned from, offers incompetently polished content, PEQ level accuracy, and is highly rated among the weirdest assholes ever to grace everquest emulation.

not to mention they already wiped it once

[skipdog]

I'm glad you're gone if you think that's a good server. It was 100% founded by butthurt cheaters who got banned, it exists only to troll the the server theyre banned from, offers incompetently polished content, PEQ level accuracy, and is highly rated among the weirdest assholes ever to grace everquest emulation.

You are clearly eating up all of the bullshit you've been fed. Your claims are just absolutely false. You can keep spouting all the BS you want though. I'm the one who will get forum banned for bringing it up at all. Censorship is fun!! Heck, the staff will probably quote your post and praise it. Well I'm off to enjoy my forum ban and go get some buffs from greengrocer!

[AzzarTheGod]

he who shall not be named was named omfg

[Pokesan]

man in the hole shots fired in this very thread.

u tried to dunk on a ruling n got dunked 7 days ago. would u make the same choice again?

I understand it being taken the way it was, but I'll work on my phrasing instead of complaining about it! ;)

[Doors]

Just read this entire thread. Can't believe you fucking idiots think this is more enjoyable than red, but hey, can't teach stupid I guess.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Just read this entire thread. Can't believe you fucking idiots think this is more enjoyable than red, but hey, can't teach stupid I guess.

http://i.imgur.com/dRh3Xdm.jpg

[Merekai]

Just read this entire thread. Can't believe you fucking idiots think this is more enjoyable than red, but hey, can't teach stupid I guess.

Obviously you didn't realize that this was a sneaky fucking trap we set! JUST FOR YOU. Hope you enjoyed the read!

Chev

[Swish]

37 pages

http://i.imgur.com/w1KgnMO.gif

[Trungep99]

Hey meow; the lack of rules means there isn't a rule on something and no ban can occur.

[Faywind]

Just read this entire thread. Can't believe you fucking idiots think this is more enjoyable than red, but hey, can't teach stupid I guess.

Well enjoy single player everquest while reading blue forums! :D

[Swish]

Well enjoy single player everquest while reading blue forums! :D

Say that next time you're camping some pixels lol

[Cecily]

You gotta pick what you hate about the server and stick with it, Swish. "Camping pixels" is something you do on both servers. If your point is that you're unlikely to have to deal with a contested camp, it follows that you're unlikely to actually have to fight over it or even see anyone on the dying server. Meaning blue is more competitive than red. It's not a strong selling point. Stick with TunnelQuest, because that's disgusting. Just don't mention what it's like to actually try to buy / sell anything on a server with no centralized economy.

[Redi]

EEEEEEEEEE 10 DAY SUSPIE

[Swish]

You gotta pick what you hate about the server and stick with it, Swish. "Camping pixels" is something you do on both servers. If your point is that you're unlikely to have to deal with a contested camp, it follows that you're unlikely to actually have to fight over it or even see anyone on the dying server. Meaning blue is more competitive than red. It's not a strong selling point. Stick with TunnelQuest, because that's disgusting. Just don't mention what it's like to actually try to buy / sell anything on a server with no centralized economy.

It's not about hate, it's about people's double standards... doing stuff "alone" doesn't just apply to red server.

[Cecily]

That's a fair point. It takes quite bit of effort to be antisocial on Blue, which really is a whole meta game for me.

[Redi]

Please refer to page 36 of your rules manual for clarification on the issue.

[Cecily]

Thanks for the assistance, but we're good on shit posting for at least another 12 hours. After I go to sleep you can take over.

[Qtip]

You gotta pick what you hate about the server and stick with it, Swish. "Camping pixels" is something you do on both servers. If your point is that you're unlikely to have to deal with a contested camp, it follows that you're unlikely to actually have to fight over it or even see anyone on the dying server. Meaning blue is more competitive than red. It's not a strong selling point. Stick with TunnelQuest, because that's disgusting. Just don't mention what it's like to actually try to buy / sell anything on a server with no centralized economy.

Sitting in line for a mob or having a foot race to a dragon is competition?

[Crescend]

[Wed Apr 20 16:20:13 2016] Welcome to EverQuest!
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:13 2016] Players on EverQuest:
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:13 2016] ---------------------------
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:13 2016] [60 Sorcerer] Dolemite Chromecaster (Erudite) <Dial a Wank>
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:13 2016] [60 Hierophant] Tubby Teabaggins (Halfling) <Gnome Fondlers>
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:13 2016] AFK [60 Grave Lord] Evilshadow Darkheartbadness (Dark Elf) <Nektulos Beardery> LFG
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:13 2016] There are 3 players in Temple of Veeshan.
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:18 2016] Dolemite says out of character, 'sorry, kreizenn warped, not trying to stall'
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:25 2016] Tubby says out of character, 'it's cool we don't have a full force anyways'
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:36 2016] Tubby says out of character, 'they really need to fix the pathing'
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:40 2016] You say out of character, 'pathing works fine just that dolemite's mom spawns under the zone and you know every mob is stopping by LOL'
[Wed Apr 20 16:20:48 2016] Dolemite says out of character, 'not even funny dude'
[Wed Apr 20 16:21:33 2016] You told Dolemite, 'still want to do lodi later? we got the timer'
[Wed Apr 20 16:21:50 2016] Dolemite tells you, 'prob, gf might want to watch a movie but i dno'
[Wed Apr 20 16:22:09 2016] You told Dolemite, 'k lemme know otherwise giving your spot to tubby'
[Thu Apr 21 10:37:13 2016] Welcome to EverQuest!
[Thu Apr 21 10:37:33 2016] King Tormax engages Evilshadow!
[Thu Apr 21 10:37:45 2016] Tubby tells you, 'hey aren't you tracking?'
[Thu Apr 21 10:37:51 2016] You told Tubby, 'yeah sorry didn't mean to fte that'
[Thu Apr 21 10:38:03 2016] Tubby tells you, 'no worries man, our mage was beating it or something anyways, like 5 sec behind you on the coth'
[Thu Apr 21 10:38:08 2016] You told Tubby, 'lmao thanks'
[Thu Apr 21 10:38:14 2016] You told Tubby, 'tell your mages to wait to /afk until after engage amirite'
[Thu Apr 21 10:38:22 2016] Tubby tells you, 'haha ur rite'
[Fri Apr 22 22:56:13 2016] Welcome to EverQuest!
[Fri Apr 22 22:56:59 2016] You say out of character, 'that's a kite man, you got two other guilds ready to go here at zone'
[Fri Apr 22 22:57:13 2016] Dolemite says out of character, 'not a kite, monk is new and took a wrong turn'
[Fri Apr 22 22:57:20 2016] Tubby says out of character, 'more than one wrong turn, you've had like 12 people show up since he started'
[Fri Apr 22 22:57:32 2016] You says out of character, 'yeah that's an unfair advantage'
[Fri Apr 22 22:57:45 2016] Dolemite tells you, 'i'm not telling 70 people to go home or my monk that he lost us the mob dude. i'm sorry, honest mistake'
[Fri Apr 22 22:57:53 2016] You told Dolemite, 'seriously? that sucks man, i feel ya, but we're all here too and that's not cool at all'
[Fri Apr 22 22:57:58 2016] Dolemite tells you, 'i'm sorry dude, this one's ours'
[Fri Apr 22 22:58:12 2016] Tubby says out of character, 'dial concede or no?'
[Sat Apr 23 13:32:13 2016] Welcome to EverQuest!
[Sat Apr 23 13:32:25 2016] Dolemite tells you, 'hey man i thought about last night, that was shitty of me'
[Sat Apr 23 13:32:30 2016] You told Dolemite, 'yeah i know'
[Sat Apr 23 13:32:40 2016] Dolemite tells you, 'seriously i'm trying here'
[Sat Apr 23 13:32:51 2016] You told Dolemite, 'that was shitty though'
[Sat Apr 23 13:33:13 2016] Dolemite tells you, 'i know dude... i talked to the guild tho'
[Sat Apr 23 13:33:20 2016] Dolemite tells you, 'what we're going to do is concede the next 2'
[Sat Apr 23 13:33:33 2016] Dolemite tells you, 'also we're not going to put new players on tracking until we show them how to do it right so it doesn't happen again'
[Sat Apr 23 13:33:40 2016] You told Dolemite, 'ok, right on. that sounds fair, i appreciate it man'
[Sat Apr 23 13:33:48 2016] Dolemite tells you, 'of course. we're all here to play the same game'
[Sat Apr 23 13:33:55 2016] You told Dolemite, 'see that's why i love this server'
[Sat Apr 23 13:33:59 2016] You told Dolemite, 'i've played on some servers where it's so bad sometimes the gm's get involved'
[Sat Apr 23 13:34:06 2016] You told Dolemite, 'i don't know why they even play at that point'
[Sat Apr 23 13:34:20 2016] Dolemite tells you, 'ikr? like what's the point even'
[Sat Apr 23 18:03:13 2016] Welcome to EverQuest!
[Sat Apr 23 18:03:25 2016] Tubby says out of character, 'lol guys know what weird thing i just thought of because i have an unhealthy obsession with minutiae?'
[Sat Apr 23 18:03:31 2016] Dolemite says out of character, 'i don't like where this is going but i also don't want to make this awkward so ok'
[Sat Apr 23 18:03:36 2016] You say out of character, 'i've been following this wood elf chick through like 10 zones i don't understand why she won't /tell me back'
[Sat Apr 23 18:03:45 2016] Tubby says out of character, 'with the new raid rules someone could technically engage a mob they have no intention of immediately killing and then come back later'
[Sat Apr 23 18:03:55 2016] Dolemite says out of character, '...why'
[Sat Apr 23 18:04:13 2016] Tubby says out of character, 'well then other guilds couldn't kill it'
[Sat Apr 23 18:04:20 2016] Dolemite says out of character, 'still not following you'
[Sat Apr 23 18:04:26 2016] Tubby says out of character, 'they could kill other mobs instead, get that loot, come back before the hour is up, and get the first loot too!'
[Sat Apr 23 18:04:31 2016] You says out of character, 'lol ur right, that obsession does sound unhealthy'
[Sat Apr 23 18:04:37 2016] Dolemite says out of character, 'lol technically true, but no one would do that'
[Sat Apr 23 18:04:42 2016] Dolemite says out of character, 'the point of the rule is to establish clear mob ownership without socking'
[Sat Apr 23 18:04:49 2016] You says out of character, 'yah and besides it's just sort of assumed that it ruins the game when you focus more on winning than on having fun with the people ur playing with'
[Sat Apr 23 18:04:59 2016] Tubby says out of character, 'i know it's just funny to think about lol'

[stonez138]

The most amusing part of this thread to me is how proud Gimp is that his guild pulled an obvious cunt move and once again took a big shit on the server's raid scene!

[Gimp]

The most amusing part of this thread to me is how proud Gimp is that his guild pulled an obvious cunt move and once again took a big shit on the server's raid scene!

Hi, I'm Gimp.

And you are?