Chest's new raid thread is retarded

[Pokesan]

hello i think streaming video is an exploit, my name is chest and I can barely tie my own shoes.

can't wait for the next idea from P99's self appointed moral busybody.

[Swish]

How do you stop it? You don't.

Welcome to the next level of online lawyer sim.

[iruinedyourday]

Holy shit yea that is sad.

[JayDee]

You should only be able to communicate with only players via morse code

[indiscriminate_hater]

chest: not another raid thread u can do better
pokesan: not another chest thread u can do better

[iruinedyourday]

I heard players are using UPDATED PC's on this box???

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT SHOW... i am ashamed.

[Pokesan]

chest: not another raid thread u can do better
pokesan: not another chest thread u can do better

wrong

[Efwan]

Just read it, and L O L

[maskedmelon]

Well it's certainly not classic, so he has a valid point there. On thenotherhand though if it gets some of these nerds away from their screens because they can track on rotation or at will instead of staring at a wall for 16 hours then praise be to Erollisi Marr.

[iruinedyourday]

I lost the dragon because of skype.

Project1999 yowl

I am lolling hard

[Pokesan]

fair warning to all twitch streamers, if chest and anichek get their way you will all be BANNED for boxing*

*anichek actually thinks this is boxing. sad!

[Shinko]

the real problem is someone tracked for 18 hours....

[Cecily]

It's using a 3rd party program to having an unlimited bind sight. That's an exploit!

[Goliathan]

I can't believe this is over the elf sim.

[Doctor Jeff]

is it out of the budget to just launch a second blue server?

[Cecily]

Think there's plans for a Green server, fresh start on a proper timeline. Eventually dumps the chars back to blue and starts over. Probably only new "blue" we'll get. Another server sounds like a CSR nightmare however and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the two forever + discord maybe.

[Shinko]

what about using gina or a voice to text when shit spawns?

[JackFlash]

Just watched my wife bake me a hot pocket on skype then I went downstairs and got it when it was ready.

Technology these days is amazing.

Did you watch her bake it on skype so you knew when it was ready in real time?

[Ele]

Warping eyeballs is legal now?

Plenty of people ate suspensions and zone kicks for eye balls shenanigans in VP over the last 4 years.

We got kicked out of kedge for that on live (pro-tip eyeball at zone-in corner pulls phinny add-free to zone in on live or at least did during classic).

[Ele]

Just watched my wife bake me a hot pocket on skype then I went downstairs and got it when it was ready.

Technology these days is amazing.

what you couldn't see was what was stuffing her hot pocket

[Pokesan]

what you couldn't see was what was stuffing her hot pocket

was it your avatar?

very naice

[Prismaticshop]

The best part in this is that all ex-rampage are in BDA under Chest's leadership lal

[JayDee]

We got kicked out of kedge for that on live (pro-tip eyeball at zone-in corner pulls phinny add-free to zone in on live or at least did during classic).

And you won't make a stink about that because it improves QoL?

[ArumTP]

Someone used twitter to alert to me that a mob spawned instead of me logging in game to receive a tell, HAX!

[Ele]

And you won't make a stink about that because it improves QoL?

I have, just not in public channels tho.

[Fael]

You can thank me for the bind site + Skype idea.

Unless IB/Rampage did it first, which I suspect but don't have any proof of.

Either way, you are welcome.

[Legday]

Just watched my wife bake me a hot pocket on skype then I went downstairs and got it when it was ready.

Technology these days is amazing.

HOT POCKET POP GO GO GO GO GO

[k2summit]

It makes it harder to play on blue with people like chest around imo. It's not an original idea. Hay guyz, ill just leave my Skype on muh screen all night!. How could you possibly enforce this. I lold a little, but I also cringed at what might be going through the mind of chest.

[Gimp]

The best part in this is that all ex-rampage are in BDA under Chest's leadership lal

Swing and a miss

[trite]

hello i think streaming video is an exploit, my name is chest and I can barely tie my own shoes.

can't wait for the next idea from P99's self appointed moral busybody.

I know right, has this guy never heard of the spell bind sight?!?! People can just drop eyes through walls and invite anyone in the zone to their group and those people can then bind sight on that person...Also completely ridiculous to try and enforce no screen sharing with stuff like Skype / VNC / Remote Desktop / Twitch etc etc out there

[trite]

The best part in this is that all ex-rampage are in BDA under Chest's leadership lal

All active Rampage members who still raid are in awakened...the exception being the infamous malcontent Gimpster...

[arsenalpow]

The Rampage players that came to BDA had to sign a Declaration of Casualness and denounce their hardcore raiding ways.

[Spyder73]

the real problem is someone tracked for 18 hours....

There are no winners in ElfQuest

[arsenalpow]

There are no winners in ElfQuest

[Man0warr]

All active Rampage members who still raid are in awakened...the exception being the infamous malcontent Gimpster...

Raid *hardcore. I see them at raids all the time.

[Ravager]

I know right, has this guy never heard of the spell bind sight?!?! People can just drop eyes through walls and invite anyone in the zone to their group and those people can then bind sight on that person...Also completely ridiculous to try and enforce no screen sharing with stuff like Skype / VNC / Remote Desktop / Twitch etc etc out there

A while back Lorean was talking about the possibility of setting up automated tracking bots using a screen capture program that would send out a batphone as soon as a mob spawned without the need of a person being at the computer. I think the GM response was don't do that, but it's not like that would be enforceable, unless guides started punting trackers who didn't respond to a tell within a certain amount of time.

[arsenalpow]

A while back Lorean was talking about the possibility of setting up automated tracking bots using a screen capture program that would send out a batphone as soon as a mob spawned without the need of a person being at the computer. I think the GM response was don't do that, but it's not like that would be enforceable, unless guides started punting trackers who didn't respond to a tell within a certain amount of time.

Would just need an actual face tracker and a program that looks for the specific pixel color of the target. Someone sitting in Hoshkar's lair and the program is looking for green pixels instead of all the red.

[Man0warr]

Might be tough to code a color recognizer, and you'd have to change it for every target.

Instead, you could program a constant left click where the target spawns - when the target comes up as whatever you set it to, it sends out the batphone.

[Legday]

Can't post in Raid Discussion so I'll say this here, in the always cordial depths of RnF:

Chest, you are toxic. Your post in Raid Discussion is such a very, very cringeworthy attempt. Screen sharing seems fine and we were under the assumption that everybody does this. Awakened certainly does whether they admit it or not. You saying that the reason we do it to bend the rules and get a leg up is the exact mentality that causes casual players on this server to look at guilds like mine and draw the conclusion that we are assholes trying to cockblock you. We are not.

BDA: We end rotations to make sure guilds that are less casual can't skate to win content..but we also need to make sure that guilds that are more hardcore than us can't use legal tactics that we aren't willing to do in order to beat us.

[arsenalpow]

Tactics trickle down, so this now becomes the new defacto strat for anyone that wants to employ trackers. The envelope constantly gets pushed, and by doing so it makes the raid scene more and more absurd, more and more impossible to break into, unless of course someone wants to join Aftermath or Awakened.

I bring it up so every single raid guild can be aware of the strat and I'm the toxic one. Got it.

[Man0warr]

You don't know what you are talking about.

[arsenalpow]

You don't know what you are talking about.

This is so much funnier when you forget to quote legday lol

[LostCause]

raid rules not classic.

p99 a custom classic server.

[JackFlash]

Warping eyeballs is legal now?

Plenty of people ate suspensions and zone kicks for eye balls shenanigans in VP over the last 4 years.

We got kicked out of kedge for that on live (pro-tip eyeball at zone-in corner pulls phinny add-free to zone in on live or at least did during classic).

On live you could get an eyeball from seb zone in to trak by casting into the wall and dropping in :)

[Fifield]

The guy who won the KT FTE doesn't even use skype sooo get good, strafe better, and practice the fastest route to Statue and KT and you too can enjoy these mobs.

The whole your FTE your attempt is the best thing that could of happened to anyone that isnt Awakened/Aftermath. You no longer need to insta pull with an insta chain made. You can casually clear up and kill a mob. I am a huge fan of this and hope you guys will practice this run up over and over again to compete on these races. GL

[Legday]

Tactics trickle down, so this now becomes the new defacto strat for anyone that wants to employ trackers. The envelope constantly gets pushed, and by doing so it makes the raid scene more and more absurd, more and more impossible to break into, unless of course someone wants to join Aftermath or Awakened.

I bring it up so every single raid guild can be aware of the strat and I'm the toxic one. Got it.

What makes you toxic is the way you draw your own conclusion that people are knowingly breaking rules and passing them off as facts.

Keep your own agenda out of these things. The raid scene would be much better if more guild leaders went to the table with unbiased opinions. That goes for everybody.

[Ele]

don't know about CT2.0, but CT1.0 shouted at some point after spawning. There were people that used log parsers and auto sent batphones based on his shout.

[Gimp]

The Rampage players that came to BDA had to sign a Declaration of Casualness and denounce their hardcore raiding ways.

Hoku was screen sharing for Tormax FTE the other day.

Makes your raid thread even more laughable.

[arsenalpow]

What makes you toxic is the way you draw your own conclusion that people are knowingly breaking rules and passing them off as facts.

Keep your own agenda out of these things. The raid scene would be much better if more guild leaders went to the table with unbiased opinions. That goes for everybody.

Where's the bias? I want to experience classic Everquest just like you. So if someone isn't in Awakened or Aftermath, when should that guild get to experience Velious content? I'm not trying to be snarky, it's a legitimate question. If your answer is "croot and contest" then there isn't much else of a conversation to have right?

You're playing the game your ways, and you're doing so because it's always an arms race, both of the top two guilds are constantly pushing each other. The result is it sets the standard for everyone else. Now I get to tell my raiders what new crap we have to do in order to compete, which forces CSG to adopt them, and then Anon/Div, and then whomever else. We either adapt and try or just give up on that content where we can't/won't employ those strats, or just quit the server.

So back to my question, when does everyone else get to experience some velious content, because right now Phinny is sounding like a goddamn paradise compared to the extremes we're going to now.

[arsenalpow]

Hoku was screen sharing for Tormax FTE the other day.

Makes your raid thread even more laughable.

He's brought it up before as the old Rampage/IB strat, but I've refused to implement it mostly because I felt it was grimy and also because I assumed it was tantamount to 2-boxing. So I think you're wrong.

[Samoht]

As Haynar explained, though, if someone has an unattended computer logged in and tracking, if someone else connects to that computer and also has EverQuest running on an FTEer, that constitutes two boxing. Which is already against the rules. Using a remote desktop sharing application to circumvent IP exemptions is not anything new.

Chest is right and the rest of you are rules lawyering no-lifers.

[Gimp]

He's brought it up before as the old Rampage/IB strat, but I've refused to implement it mostly because I felt it was grimy and also because I assumed it was tantamount to 2-boxing. So I think you're wrong.

You don't get off the line first against screen sharers unless you're doing the same thing.

Don't be intentionally dense to promote your agenda.

[Troubled]

go back 2 phinny fuckboi

[ArumTP]

Where's the bias? I want to experience classic Everquest just like you. So if someone isn't in Awakened or Aftermath, when should that guild get to experience Velious content? I'm not trying to be snarky, it's a legitimate question. If your answer is "croot and contest" then there isn't much else of a conversation to have right?

You're playing the game your ways, and you're doing so because it's always an arms race, both of the top two guilds are constantly pushing each other. The result is it sets the standard for everyone else. Now I get to tell my raiders what new crap we have to do in order to compete, which forces CSG to adopt them, and then Anon/Div, and then whomever else. We either adapt and try or just give up on that content where we can't/won't employ those strats, or just quit the server.

So back to my question, when does everyone else get to experience some velious content, because right now Phinny is sounding like a goddamn paradise compared to the extremes we're going to now.

Nobody got a free and easy walk into the high end content that was VP, during the kunark era of this server. Why would the high end content of NTOV be treated differently? Is it the lack of key requirements or easy to get out of it make it special?

[arsenalpow]

You don't get off the line first against screen sharers unless you're doing the same thing.

Don't be intentionally dense to promote your agenda.

Arms race.

[arsenalpow]

Nobody got a free and easy walk into the high end content that was VP, during the kunark era of this server. Why would the high end content of NTOV be treated differently? Is it the lack of key requirements or easy to get out of it make it special?

So your argument is "it's always been like this, croot and contest" so we don't need to discuss it any further, got it.

[Legday]

Where's the bias? I want to experience classic Everquest just like you. So if someone isn't in Awakened or Aftermath, when should that guild get to experience Velious content? I'm not trying to be snarky, it's a legitimate question. If your answer is "croot and contest" then there isn't much else of a conversation to have right?

You're playing the game your ways, and you're doing so because it's always an arms race, both of the top two guilds are constantly pushing each other. The result is it sets the standard for everyone else. Now I get to tell my raiders what new crap we have to do in order to compete, which forces CSG to adopt them, and then Anon/Div, and then whomever else. We either adapt and try or just give up on that content where we can't/won't employ those strats, or just quit the server.

So back to my question, when does everyone else get to experience some velious content, because right now Phinny is sounding like a goddamn paradise compared to the extremes we're going to now.

Your bias is where you directly call out Aftermath as a guild that knowingly uses illegal tactics. It's an incorrect opinion and it shapes the way casual players on this server view our guild. Have you ever been falsely accused of anything? It's not the greatest thing.

As Haynar explained, though, if someone has an unattended computer logged in and tracking, if someone else connects to that computer and also has EverQuest running on an FTEer, that constitutes two boxing. Which is already against the rules. Using a remote desktop sharing application to circumvent IP exemptions is not anything new.

Chest is right and the rest of you are rules lawyering no-lifers.

I've been a part of many screen shares, on both the sharing side and the watching side, and I can say with the exception of the screen sharer getting up to use the bathroom, the screen always has a real live player behind it ready to call the pop. If you look at both of Haynar's posts he does say it is only tantamount to two boxing if there is nobody playing that character. That's not the case here. Let's move along.

[Gimp]

The "we play this game too, so we deserve some dragons" argument is so tired. Just go to Phinny, instances seem right up your alley.

[Whirled]

https://i.imgflip.com/m5h7a.jpg
Having fun playing games these days?

[JackFlash]

I'm sure nobody knows how to remote desktop or install free teamviewer.

[Fire Beetle]

This just in! BDA claims 3rd party programs and modern technology a false.

Read all about it! BDA no longer using cable internet and Ventrilo.

[thewrush]

You all need to "Get a F****** Life." Seriously, quit living inside a video game. I bet you refer to yourselves as your character names outside this game too.

[Samoht]

I've been a part of many screen shares, on both the sharing side and the watching side, and I can say with the exception of the screen sharer getting up to use the bathroom, the screen always has a real live player behind it ready to call the pop. If you look at both of Haynar's posts he does say it is only tantamount to two boxing if there is nobody playing that character. That's not the case here. Let's move along.

Prove it.

[Fire Beetle]

You all need to "Get a F****** Life." Seriously, quit living inside a video game. I bet you refer to yourselves as your character names outside this game too.

You should see Legday's legs. Massive I tell you.

[Troubled]

You all need to "Get a F****** Life." Seriously, quit living inside a video game. I bet you refer to yourselves as your character names outside this game too.

It's on the back of my cloak.

[Fire Beetle]

Prove it.

Define proof.

[Samoht]

Define proof.

If it cannot be proven that the tracker has a player 100% of the time, then it is two-boxing for anybody else viewing the screen. Furthermore, the tracker should never AFK without logging out. Since it cannot be proven that the character is never unattended, it should not be allowed. End of discussion.

[derpcake]

Prove it.

seems silly to argue the useage of skype

what if i want to set up a twitch channel which is only open to guildmates? I can't be afk while streaming?

people already box the shit out of p1999, lets not pretend skype or any other tool will be detected often if at all

[Tuljin]

Nobody got a free and easy walk into the high end content that was VP, during the kunark era of this server. Why would the high end content of NTOV be treated differently? Is it the lack of key requirements or easy to get out of it make it special?


The answer is yes, the lack of keys and ease of leaving the zone does make NToV special. Anybody can go, everybody wants to go. No more Trak Teeth to cockblock.

If it weren't for VP keys the whole "raid" scene likely would have evolved a bit differently.

[Pokesan]

oh samoht is here

how do i close thread?

[Samoht]

I can't be afk while streaming?

If you're AFK while tracking, and someone uses a RDP program to track through your computer, that is by definition circumventing the IP exemption rules and two-boxing.

It's already against server rules.

[Swish]

So if you need a drink while streaming you have to camp out? rofl... can't make this shit up

[arsenalpow]

Twitch has a delay though right? Like 60 seconds or something? In racing situations people using Skype only have delay limited to their connection.

[Fire Beetle]

What if I create a stream on youtube that is a private view only link?

With your definition of proof I will make sure I change my ankle sock to a knee high and also tighten the shackle around my ankle so I never leave my desk!

[Samoht]

What if I create a stream on youtube that is a private view only link?

With your definition of proof I will make sure I change my ankle sock to a knee high and also tighten the shackle around my ankle so I never leave my desk!

Or you could just follow the rules and log out when you AFK.

[Ravager]

This just in! BDA claims 3rd party programs and modern technology a false.

Read all about it! BDA no longer using cable internet and Ventrilo.


I'd ban all of this if it were possible and if I were in charge. Not classic stuff not classic.

I'd still like to see a server-side throttle to dial-up speeds of all traffic as well as more randomized DC's of all clients, regardless of ping and connection. Frequent, unexplained disconnects is a feature of classic EQ.

[Ravager]

The "we play this game too, so we deserve some dragons" argument is so tired. Just go to Phinny, instances seem right up your alley.

The "hardcore" raiders can't possibly like the way the raid scene is right now, but if anyone else says it's shitty, they're entitled.

[bktroost]

Ladies and gentleman of The Uninformed RnF, your guild leaders all agree the scene is bad and are disenchanted by the mechanics. RnF is boring without hate speech, I understand. But for those who don't realize that 100% of what is said in here is vitriol for the sake of entertainment, please recognize that no one thinks what we have is good and the first step to fixing them is bringing all the crap to light.

[Fire Beetle]

The answer is yes, the lack of keys and ease of leaving the zone does make NToV special. Anybody can go, everybody wants to go. No more Trak Teeth to cockblock.

If it weren't for VP keys the whole "raid" scene likely would have evolved a bit differently.

Kill Sontalak... they want a classic progression but don't want to kill the guard to the dungeon they want to enter.

[Fire Beetle]

Ladies and gentleman of The Uninformed RnF, your guild leaders all agree the scene is bad and are disenchanted by the mechanics. RnF is boring without hate speech, I understand. But for those who don't realize that 100% of what is said in here is vitriol for the sake of entertainment, please recognize that no one thinks what we have is good and the first step to fixing them is bringing all the crap to light.

You're looking to enter a brothel, not pay for the entry fee, and be rewarded like a high paying customer; all while toting a moral high ground.

[bktroost]

You're looking to enter a brothel, not pay for the entry fee, and be rewarded like a high paying customer; all while toting a moral high ground.

I value my worth on this server by how much vitriol gets thrown at me when I step into RnF. +1

[Samoht]

You're looking to enter a brothel, not pay for the entry fee, and be rewarded like a high paying customer; all while toting a moral high ground.

That's not quite how this works. It's more like everybody paid the entrance fee, but a select few continue forcing themselves on the workers after they've used up all their passes. Detoxx is literally raping the server.

[Juevento]

please recognize that no one thinks what we have is good and the first step to fixing them is bringing all the crap to light.

That actually is the first step to solving issues. I am not sure what world you live in where if you keep your head in the sand, all of your problems will magically go away.

[Fire Beetle]

I value my worth on this server by how much vitriol gets thrown at me when I step into RnF. +1

So vitriol can still be fact. Also you're not denying my accusation. So +2?

That's not quite how this works. It's more like everybody paid the entrance fee, but a select few continue forcing themselves on the workers after they've used up all their passes. Detoxx is literally raping the server.

Detoxx raping the server, literally, when he and the officers of FA notified CSG of a mob they can go for and then defended them when Awakened tried to train over them more than once. But hell facts right?

How exactly is Detoxx and crew raping the server? Playing a 17 year old elf sim to the highest level of competitive edge? This is an argument over perspective.

Sirken even said himself, many times on his stream, that he supports the idea that not everyone got to see all the current content of expansions. Yes, I understand this server is now content locked, so would be true that the guild who can't compete with the competition on the server is suck in the proverbial raid/mob rut.

[Legday]

Detoxx is literally raping the server.

Singling out Detoxx is exactly the kind of toxic thought that is going to keep this conversation from going anywhere.

[Doctor Jeff]

(pro-tip eyeball at zone-in corner pulls phinny add-free to zone in on live or at least did during classic).

that worked on red in the past but is fixed now.

[Samoht]

Playing a 17 year old elf sim to the highest level of competitive edge? This is an argument over perspective.

My perspective is that you're delusional if you think there's any kind of actual competitive edge to this content. Listening to Detoxx defend his stall tactic on Yelinak and defend his agreement with Awekened on using the tactic made me cringe. That's not competitive edge. That's breaking the rules with collusion not to report each other. And nobody else wants to play that way.

[Samoht]

Singling out Detoxx is exactly the kind of toxic thought that is going to keep this conversation from going anywhere.

It would be a fallacy to not allow people to name the perpetrators and the cheaters. Name and shame IMO.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

flood the raid zones and desync until the gm's actually gm. Because this is not about the guilds. It is about the staff not wanting and/or having the balls to manage the server and implement fixes.

Everyone is unhappy with this system. Traditionally, that is when a GM would step in, or, modifications would be made to encounters.

Both of those options were ruled out by Sirken. Basically, telling the high end, "We do not care."

Maybe these guys started working for Daybreak? because they got the attitude down.

[Legday]

It would be a fallacy to not allow people to name the perpetrators and the cheaters. Name and shame IMO.

And reciprocate the same problem you think you're trying to fix.

[Samoht]

And reciprocate the same problem you think you're trying to fix.

We have Detoxx on tape admitting to a stall tactic and Awakened colluding with it. That's the problem we're trying to fix. It is unclear to what you're referring, though. Can you please elaborate?

[Swish]

So when's the next 6 hour summit?

[Legday]

We have Detoxx on tape admitting to a stall tactic and Awakened colluding with it. That's the problem we're trying to fix. It is unclear to what you're referring, though. Can you please elaborate?

The Kunark raid rules are out of date to Velious. The mechanics are different. So far the only two guilds to have killed most of these mobs have an agreement not to petiton one another in certain scenarios because they agree it's not what is realistically fair.

The message from both Awakened and Aftermath at that meeting was that raid rules are out of date. We want to get things clearly defined for encounters like Yelinak. Before it can be ironed out you are here crying foul. Calling out a single player for being corrupt and a cheater.

You're the problem. You and players like you that have overdeveloped opinions on players and guilds and don't give anybody a chance to make good or meet in the middle. For you, it's all about blaming those players and guilds.

[r0xx0r]

It would be a fallacy to not allow people to name the perpetrators and the cheaters. Name and shame IMO.

You're right- so let's entertain another rotation proposal that Chest will just not follow again? Awe.. too soon? World of Warcraft is offering uncontested raid encounters and they have EMU versions as well.
Don't get me wrong- I was part of Asgard and the majority of us were pro rotation etc. But it wasn't fair for us to get free shots just because we wanted to. Mobilize, compete, preperation- all things we were lacking as a whole and hence my thinking of us not deserving equality. High End guilds have been sitting and waiting on spawns since the beginning as well as preparing with strats/gear/quick response, you don't think that merits for time put in at least?
The screen sharing thing is a joke. Another shoddy attempt at stirring the pot and while it worked nothing will come of it except another long thread.

[Pokesan]

i wanna be the very best like noone ever was

[Kushie]

http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2011/Photoshop_Phriday/defectivepokemon2/Dick_Danger_01.png

[Kushie]

fuck

[manguard]

i wanna be the very best like noone ever was

you teach me and i teach you, poke-e-san

[Samoht]

The message from both Awakened and Aftermath at that meeting was that raid rules are out of date. We want to get things clearly defined for encounters like Yelinak. Before it can be ironed out you are here crying foul. Calling out a single player for being corrupt and a cheater.

You're the problem. You and players like you that have overdeveloped opinions on players and guilds and don't give anybody a chance to make good or meet in the middle. For you, it's all about blaming those players and guilds.

So I'm the problem for calling out the corruption and the cheating? It's not the corruption and the cheating that's inherently the problem? jenniferlawrenceokay.gif

Don't get me wrong- I was part of Asgard and the majority of us were pro rotation etc. But it wasn't fair for us to get free shots just because we wanted to. Mobilize, compete, preperation- all things we were lacking as a whole and hence my thinking of us not deserving equality. High End guilds have been sitting and waiting on spawns since the beginning as well as preparing with strats/gear/quick response, you don't think that merits for time put in at least?

There are a lot of people who mobilize, compete, and prepare. And then there are those that do it 24/7. The problem is that the 24/7 people think that they then have the right to stomp all over the people who don't do it 24/7 when it comes to competing on the same targets. This includes training, stalling, lying about having evidence of infractions, illegal FTEs, and more. All because of their sense of entitlement from socking 24/7. Nobody cares about the mobs that they don't compete for, like the ones that spawn in the morning on work days, but that's not enough to satiate the hunger of the entitled ones.

The screen sharing thing is a joke. Another shoddy attempt at stirring the pot and while it worked nothing will come of it except another long thread.

It's no excuse to allow them to two-box, though. It's another line that we have to draw between cheating and not cheating. Naturally, we're going to have people that fall on both sides of the discussion, but it's almost always going to play out that the ones in favor of cheating are the ones benefiting from it.

[dafier]

This thread is craptastic. So glad I can post.

VOTE FOR TRUMP!

[r0xx0r]

If I was playing/socking 7 days a week, I think I should get more benefits than say Tom over here who socks/plays 1 to 2 days a week. Sounds like basics of life- you get what you put in. Now before more shit is twisted, that is not me saying only those who put in the time should get away obvious wrong things. I don't think any should- yes let's manage the fte problem together, the stalling, and the training. Not sure what to do about the entire watching another screen though skype or wtfever. Make rules about it and watch the false accusations fly maybe? Because that's already worked out so well.

I've seen lots of guilds over the years benefit a huge amount from doing the 24/7 poop sock- it's how it should be. Do I like it? Maybe not but it's right. Can I live with it? I'm still here. What to do if I just can't take it? Join server that has instances, play another game that has what I'm looking for, or remain here and explode so that others can get a ruined experience too in case they haven't yet.

There should be enforced consequences for illegal actions: I agree, it'd be nice to see some great rules come about from this- but from the tear stained path that I see leading to this, it's about getting pixels for nothing and I do not support this. Other things mentioned are just flare to make it look like it's about something else.

[quido]

jesus christ blue is fucking stupid

[Samoht]

If I was playing/socking 7 days a week, I think I should get more benefits than say Tom over here who socks/plays 1 to 2 days a week. Sounds like basics of life- you get what you put in.

No. You're not entitled to anything more than you're actually socking. You don't get to shit all over competition or break the rules just because you socked something else twelve hours ago.

There should be enforced consequences for illegal actions: I agree, it'd be nice to see some great rules come about from this- but from the tear stained path that I see leading to this, it's about getting pixels for nothing and I do not support this.

Once again, you're posting under the assumption that just because someone socks through the middle of the night on target that they should not have competition on other targets. That's just not the case. If someone puts in preparation and tracking half the time, they're still doing their preparation and tracking. You cannot just call their effort "pixels for nothing" as you train them. It's against the rules.

[r0xx0r]

half doesn't equal whole - is that hard to depict?

[r0xx0r]

Once again, you're posting under the assumption that just because someone socks through the middle of the night on target that they should not have competition on other targets. That's just not the case. If someone puts in preparation and tracking half the time, they're still doing their preparation and tracking. You cannot just call their effort "pixels for nothing" as you train them. It's against the rules.

never said it was ok to train them. Try again

[Samoht]

never said it was ok to train them. Try again

That's just one of the methods that the entitled 24/7 raiders use to counter legitimate competition. Sorry I didn't pick the one that would allow you focus on the subject of my post rather than the example of the infraction used.

half doesn't equal whole - is that hard to depict?

You're actually making less and less sense with every post.

[r0xx0r]

Flare...how many pieces of it do you have?

[Spyder73]

It's no excuse to allow them to two-box, though. It's another line that we have to draw between cheating and not cheating. Naturally, we're going to have people that fall on both sides of the discussion, but it's almost always going to play out that the ones in favor of cheating are the ones benefiting from it.

I would assume that people screen sharing are not actually in game - they are watching Skype and then alert the Wake-Up-Channel when a mob pops and then log into the raid force after they close Skype down.

I see where you are trying to go with this, but it ain't gona happen.

[Samoht]

I would assume that people screen sharing are not actually in game - they are watching Skype and then alert the Wake-Up-Channel when a mob pops and then log into the raid force after they close Skype down.

So which is it? Your way or his way:

I've been a part of many screen shares, on both the sharing side and the watching side, and I can say with the exception of the screen sharer getting up to use the bathroom, the screen always has a real live player behind it ready to call the pop.

Either way, using an RDP program to connect to an unattended character is nothing more than circumventing the IP exemption rules. It's already against the rules of the server.

[Fire Beetle]

With respect to Tekilya I don't think he tracked or screen-shared with anyone during his residency in ToV, on top of which, Ii doubt he has seen anything in ToV other than the entrance room.

[arsenalpow]

So how about this, I'm at work right now. What if before I had left this morning I had flopped Chest in Hoshkar's lair facing his spawn, and then setup skype, and left that link for my guild. Now we don't need a ranger, we don't need bind sight classes, we don't have to sacrifice anyone to face track, it's all done through screensharing. Does that seem ok? My view is it isn't and it's essentially two boxing.

Assuming we draw that conclusion, that it is in fact boxing, how do you prove to the staff that your competition is screen sharing aside from them admitting it? You don't. That's why it's legal, because it's impossible to police.

[iruinedyourday]

So how about this, I'm at work right now. What if before I had left this morning I had flopped Chest in Hoshkar's lair facing his spawn, and then setup skype, and left that link for my guild. Now we don't need a ranger, we don't need bind sight classes, we don't have to sacrifice anyone to face track, it's all done through screensharing. Does that seem ok? My view is it isn't and it's essentially two boxing.

Assuming we draw that conclusion, that it is in fact boxing, how do you prove to the staff that your competition is screen sharing aside from them admitting it? You don't. That's why it's legal, because it's impossible to police.

how bout this, you do this on red and you die.

[Fire Beetle]

Devil's Advocate: "What if I left my toon there AFK with logs running so next week I have an idea of his window."

Yes there is no way to police this. Shit's classic bro?

[Batso]

Using Skype is simply playing smarter. We also use teamspeak and twitter.

[Samoht]

So how about this, I'm at work right now. What if before I had left this morning I had flopped Chest in Hoshkar's lair facing his spawn, and then setup skype, and left that link for my guild. Now we don't need a ranger, we don't need bind sight classes, we don't have to sacrifice anyone to face track, it's all done through screensharing. Does that seem ok? My view is it isn't and it's essentially two boxing.

Assuming we draw that conclusion, that it is in fact boxing, how do you prove to the staff that your competition is screen sharing aside from them admitting it? You don't. That's why it's legal, because it's impossible to police.

That was Haynar's view, too!

Using Skype is simply playing smarter. We also use teamspeak and twitter.

Only one of these three actually allow you to enter the other players computer through screen sharing.

[Danth]

So how about this, I'm at work right now. What if before I had left this morning I had flopped Chest in Hoshkar's lair facing his spawn, and then setup skype, and left that link for my guild. Now we don't need a ranger, we don't need bind sight classes, we don't have to sacrifice anyone to face track, it's all done through screensharing. Does that seem ok? My view is it isn't and it's essentially two boxing.

If my wife were to park her character somewhere and go AFK and I look at her screen to monitor things it *is* boxing according to the rules here. It's not ambiguous at all; that's about as flagrant as things get. People have been banned for much less. If I run through skype to do the same thing suddenly it's supposed to be okay? What a laugh.

If skype cannot be effectively policed, the most rational solution is to implement a system where doing the above confers no appreciable advantage.

Danth

[Samoht]

If my wife were to park her character somewhere and go AFK and I look at her screen to monitor things it *is* boxing according to the rules here. It's not ambiguous at all; that's about as flagrant as things get. People have been banned for much less. If I run through skype to do the same thing suddenly it's supposed to be okay? What a laugh.

Exactly.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

What if John Wilkes Booth had a camera set up in Lincoln's private box, so that he could tell when Lincoln was not paying attention and his security detail had left the room?

Would that make him any less guilty of murder?

No, it would not.

[Samoht]

If my wife were to park her character somewhere and go AFK and I look at her screen to monitor things it *is* boxing according to the rules here. It's not ambiguous at all; that's about as flagrant as things get. People have been banned for much less. If I run through skype to do the same thing suddenly it's supposed to be okay? What a laugh.

In this vein, using Skype to track is basically using a cell phone to do a near field connection separate from your home connection to log into a second account for two-boxing purposes. And we all know that only Jeremy is allowed to do this.

[bktroost]

I hope you guys can figure it out soon. Stakes just got much higher if you are wrong....

"A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the 10 day suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioned guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). The staff strongly encourages players to concede/forfeit targets as soon as possible if they break a rule, and of course to also take a Screenshot of the concession/forfeiture, just in case another guild tries to say it never happened." -- Sirken's new rule.

[bktroost]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189856

[Fire Beetle]

I am too lazy to listen to the entire 6 hours of your meeting but wasn't there mention of Rampage having over 30 petitions to Forsaken? Wouldn't this deemed as wasting the time of the GMs/Staff of the server?

Also, I would really like clarity when it comes to what happens to a guild if they merge when it pertains to petitions or suspensions.

[Troubled]

Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?*
A: If you feel that your guild/party has violated a rule, then you need to attempt to make it right. If you forfeit/concede the target being contested within a reasonable amount of time (before the target is killed and looted), the staff will recognize this and not take action against the guild/party in question. The concession or forfeiture of a target should be made by an officer or leader, and should be made in a public channel like “/shout” or “/ooc”, to ensure that everyone sees it. At this point the concession or forfeiture is official and cannot for any reason be rescinded by the offending guild/party, nor can any other guild/party refuse to accept a concession or forfeiture. If you have conceded or forfeited a mob, and another guild petitions you for that mob anyway, they will be punished for wasting the staff’s time. The staff strongly recommends that players take Screen Shots of the text proving the concession or forfeiture of a target has taken place (Note: if any guild/party tries to manipulate the concession or forfeiture of a target for any reason, ie: GuildA kites Dragon1 away from GuildB, then concedes Dragon1 when GuildC is ready to engage the mob, preventing GuildB from engaging, this will be punished. The point of this rule is to correct an error that your guild makes, not to help your pals, or hurt your foes. It is strictly to avoid a raid/guild punishment).

Q4: If we feel another guild/party is breaking raid rules what actions may we take?
A: If you feel another guild/party is breaking a raid rule, it is standard procedure to attempt to work that dispute out with the other guild(s) in question. The staff has decided that the best way to do this is to request the concession or forfeiture of the target in question (if it is still alive) as well as the loots (if the offending party killed the target). We greatly encourage guilds to maintain open lines of communication so that a speedy and civil resolution can be reached during a dispute. If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit that target, then have one person gather up the evidence and submit it in a thread under the Petition/Exploit section of the forums. If a guild/party offers to concede/forfeit their attempt at the target, you must accept this. If the target is already killed and they offer up all of the loots to the guild that was wronged, you must accept this. Refusing to accept a concession of the target (pre-death) or forfeiture of the loots (post-death), and then just petitioning them anyway will likely result in action taken against your guild/party, and not theirs. Please always take screen shots of these conversations to prove they actually did occur.

Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged, but they will also be forced to not contest for the next two spawns of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next two spawns of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension. (Note* if the offending guilds actions effect another guild/party, but do not result in the offending guild getting the kill, they will still be expected to follow the above, except for the loot, as they wouldn’t have it) (Note* please remember items must be looted for us to have proof they existed, if an item is nodrop, a staff member can assist in the transfer to the wronged guild)

Q6: If we must bring a dispute to the GM's, how do we go about doing this?
A: If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit as described above, then have*one*officer or leader with the authority to negotiate disputes for your guild petition in the petition/exploit forum. Please use clear formatting, cohesive sentences, and paragraphs. A full and detailed description of the event must be submitted (if the video is more than a couple minutes then you should include timestamps of importance). Include fraps, screenshots, and logs where applicable. We also request you provide a brief summary of the negotiations that took place (and likely failed) prior to the dispute being escalated to the CSR staff.

Q11: What about training away trash mobs?
A: This is acceptable, but if you choose to use this tactic, you must keep in mind that you are responsible for your trains/mobs. Meaning if your trainer dies, and the mobs go wipe another guild, that’s still training. When the time comes to purposely drop the train, make sure to communicate and coordinate with any other guilds in the zone. This means actually communicate so that both parties have a fair amount of time to work out a safe place. or a safe time to drop the train

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the 10 day suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioned guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). The staff strongly encourages players to concede/forfeit targets as soon as possible if they break a rule, and of course to also take a Screenshot of the concession/forfeiture, just in case another guild tries to say it never happened.


also, expect a thread laying out rules specific to ToV and Kael

__________________

[r0xx0r]

possibly solution? Anti-AFK pop up for raid zones. If you are in zone for x amount of time a window will pop up with a question/link you must respond in x amount of time or you are kicked to server select? But r0xx0r! what about zones that have ppl just leveling? I dunno I just suggested the first part, maybe something can build off this. Does it fix the screen sharing? Not totally but maybe it's a good start. Or is this just another ploy for my friends and what not to just trample over more Chest-nuts?

[ArumTP]

I hope you guys can figure it out soon. Stakes just got much higher if you are wrong....

"A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the 10 day suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioned guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). The staff strongly encourages players to concede/forfeit targets as soon as possible if they break a rule, and of course to also take a Screenshot of the concession/forfeiture, just in case another guild tries to say it never happened." -- Sirken's new rule.

10 day suspension is junk for completely unrelated targets. Looks like you will force your way yet into NTOV. All I expect is guilds deliberately now frapsing and forcing themselves into terrible positions to petition out other guilds for 10 days.

[Lojik]

10 day suspension is junk for completely unrelated targets. Looks like you will force your way yet into NTOV. All I expect is guilds deliberately now frapsing and forcing themselves into terrible positions to petition out other guilds for 10 days.

Looking forward to our first Vulak kill!

[Troubled]

10 day suspension is junk for completely unrelated targets. Looks like you will force your way yet into NTOV. All I expect is guilds deliberately now frapsing and forcing themselves into terrible positions to petition out other guilds for 10 days.

Or just don't break one of the 200 raid rules or their sub-rules or amendments.

[Pokesan]

personally i think it's a really bad idea that guilds be punished for breaking the rules

[r0xx0r]

I hope you guys can figure it out soon. Stakes just got much higher if you are wrong....

"A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the 10 day suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioned guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). The staff strongly encourages players to concede/forfeit targets as soon as possible if they break a rule, and of course to also take a Screenshot of the concession/forfeiture, just in case another guild tries to say it never happened." -- Sirken's new rule.


could there be punishment for false petitions as well? The crying wolf story comes to mind- why do you think Admin/GM/Dev 's are not "being as involved" as some/many think they should be? I could only imagine some of the bullshit they deal with pertaining to this.

Petition Quest : Scars of Epeen

[arsenalpow]

10 day suspension is junk for completely unrelated targets. Looks like you will force your way yet into NTOV. All I expect is guilds deliberately now frapsing and forcing themselves into terrible positions to petition out other guilds for 10 days.

I brought that up in the summit. I personally don't want a bunch of people trying to take charges and/or flopping. Sirken defends anyone blocking Chardok from AEing, but saying anyone standing purposefully in the middle of a pull in ToV probably deserves it. It doesn't make sense.

[Juevento]

personally i think it's a really bad idea that guilds be punished for breaking the rules

Yeah if people can't grief to their hearts content, where is the fun?

[iruinedyourday]

Yeah if people can't grief to their hearts content, where is the fun?

lets be honest none of the 'people' in this level of the game are 'people'.

[Tuljin]

Petition Quest : Scars of Epeen

Rofl

[Nitsude]

lets be honest none of the 'people' in this level of the game are 'people'.

Corporations aren't people, too?

I know that wasn't what you meant, but I couldn't help it cause I know you're a libtard.

[Fire Beetle]

Corporations aren't people, too?

I know that wasn't what you meant, but I couldn't help it cause I know you're a libtard.
PS. I voted for Trump!

Fixed!

[derpcake]

lets be honest none of the 'people' in this level of the game are 'people'.

i'm pretty sure my dog has more relationships with people then most contributing to this discussion

even assuming all the parents still alive

[Nitsude]

Fixed!

I just felt the bern there, bro.

[Pokesan]

I just felt the bern there, bro.

you are the opposite of good at posting

[bktroost]

10 day suspension is junk for completely unrelated targets. Looks like you will force your way yet into NTOV. All I expect is guilds deliberately now frapsing and forcing themselves into terrible positions to petition out other guilds for 10 days.

If I was interested in bringing manipulation to the raid scene I'd be in awakened or aftermath already. You can expect the same fair play we've demonstrated for 5 years now.

[Spyder73]

I brought that up in the summit. I personally don't want a bunch of people trying to take charges and/or flopping. Sirken defends anyone blocking Chardok from AEing, but saying anyone standing purposefully in the middle of a pull in ToV probably deserves it. It doesn't make sense.


In a thread full of cringe worthy posting, the most cringe worthy of all is when this meeting of super dorks keeps getting referred to as a “summit”.

And Chardok AOE exploiting is not on the same level as 5 BDA members pretending to XP in ToV with the sole intent of disrupting raid pulls.

[khysanth]

inb4 thread is moved to rnf

[r0xx0r]

inb4 thread is moved to rnf

too late lol

[Swish]

Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?*
A: If you feel that your guild/party has violated a rule, then you need to attempt to make it right. If you forfeit/concede the target being contested within a reasonable amount of time (before the target is killed and looted), the staff will recognize this and not take action against the guild/party in question. The concession or forfeiture of a target should be made by an officer or leader, and should be made in a public channel like “/shout” or “/ooc”, to ensure that everyone sees it. At this point the concession or forfeiture is official and cannot for any reason be rescinded by the offending guild/party, nor can any other guild/party refuse to accept a concession or forfeiture. If you have conceded or forfeited a mob, and another guild petitions you for that mob anyway, they will be punished for wasting the staff’s time. The staff strongly recommends that players take Screen Shots of the text proving the concession or forfeiture of a target has taken place (Note: if any guild/party tries to manipulate the concession or forfeiture of a target for any reason, ie: GuildA kites Dragon1 away from GuildB, then concedes Dragon1 when GuildC is ready to engage the mob, preventing GuildB from engaging, this will be punished. The point of this rule is to correct an error that your guild makes, not to help your pals, or hurt your foes. It is strictly to avoid a raid/guild punishment).

Q4: If we feel another guild/party is breaking raid rules what actions may we take?
A: If you feel another guild/party is breaking a raid rule, it is standard procedure to attempt to work that dispute out with the other guild(s) in question. The staff has decided that the best way to do this is to request the concession or forfeiture of the target in question (if it is still alive) as well as the loots (if the offending party killed the target). We greatly encourage guilds to maintain open lines of communication so that a speedy and civil resolution can be reached during a dispute. If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit that target, then have one person gather up the evidence and submit it in a thread under the Petition/Exploit section of the forums. If a guild/party offers to concede/forfeit their attempt at the target, you must accept this. If the target is already killed and they offer up all of the loots to the guild that was wronged, you must accept this. Refusing to accept a concession of the target (pre-death) or forfeiture of the loots (post-death), and then just petitioning them anyway will likely result in action taken against your guild/party, and not theirs. Please always take screen shots of these conversations to prove they actually did occur.

Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged, but they will also be forced to not contest for the next two spawns of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next two spawns of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension. (Note* if the offending guilds actions effect another guild/party, but do not result in the offending guild getting the kill, they will still be expected to follow the above, except for the loot, as they wouldn’t have it) (Note* please remember items must be looted for us to have proof they existed, if an item is nodrop, a staff member can assist in the transfer to the wronged guild)

Q6: If we must bring a dispute to the GM's, how do we go about doing this?
A: If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit as described above, then have*one*officer or leader with the authority to negotiate disputes for your guild petition in the petition/exploit forum. Please use clear formatting, cohesive sentences, and paragraphs. A full and detailed description of the event must be submitted (if the video is more than a couple minutes then you should include timestamps of importance). Include fraps, screenshots, and logs where applicable. We also request you provide a brief summary of the negotiations that took place (and likely failed) prior to the dispute being escalated to the CSR staff.

Q11: What about training away trash mobs?
A: This is acceptable, but if you choose to use this tactic, you must keep in mind that you are responsible for your trains/mobs. Meaning if your trainer dies, and the mobs go wipe another guild, that’s still training. When the time comes to purposely drop the train, make sure to communicate and coordinate with any other guilds in the zone. This means actually communicate so that both parties have a fair amount of time to work out a safe place. or a safe time to drop the train

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the 10 day suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioned guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). The staff strongly encourages players to concede/forfeit targets as soon as possible if they break a rule, and of course to also take a Screenshot of the concession/forfeiture, just in case another guild tries to say it never happened.


also, expect a thread laying out rules specific to ToV and Kael

__________________

Rudith <Empire>

What does this have to do with red?

[Fire Beetle]

You did forgot Detoxx got caught auto-firing I assume? I like the way Ella said it best (even though I don't really like the guy) "Its not cheating until you get caught." When your on the level of "I must download some program to win" in this game, you lose all the fun already.

If Braknar can replicate it, I wonder if Braknar also auto-fires?!?! :eek:

[Swish]

You did forgot Detoxx got caught auto-firing I assume? I like the way Ella said it best (even though I don't really like the guy) "Its not cheating until you get caught." When your on the level of "I must download some program to win" in this game, you lose all the fun already.

While not being GM endorsed, auto-fire is useable in the sense that Catherin and Detoxx didn't get banned...and on that precedent...

[Pokesan]

Everytime I think of Catherin I just think of losers who have spent every day on the box the last 6 years like Daldean Erati Chest etc. some grade a fucking losers.

your posts are bad stop writing them fuckass

[Shinko]

I would rather have bad posts than

1- Be a tranny/use a voice changer
2- Spend every waking moment sifting through Everquest patch notes for 6 years straight
3-Have 10 level 60s and raid on p99 for 6 years




lol

[Robbintha Hood]

I would rather have bad posts than

1- Be a tranny/use a voice changer
2- Spend every waking moment sifting through Everquest patch notes for 6 years straight
3-Have 10 level 60s and raid on p99 for 6 years

bigbard1: 1
Pokesan: 0

[Gorillas]

I would rather have bad posts than

1- Be a tranny/use a voice changer
2- Spend every waking moment sifting through Everquest patch notes for 6 years straight
3-Have 10 level 60s and raid on p99 for 6 years

This is really funny and really true. There's a dozen no lifers on this server that need to seek professional help. You guys should hang up your bedpans and head outside

[khysanth]

This is really funny and really true. There's a dozen no lifers on this server that need to seek professional help. You guys should hang up your bedpans and head outside

There are dozens and they mostly occupy two guilds that kill raids mobs at any hour of the day :D

[Cecily]

I don't like it because it circumvents an in-game mechanic, bind sight. For something to be OK simply because rules against it can't be enforced opens up a great big can of worms imo.

[Detoxx]

You did forgot Detoxx got caught auto-firing I assume? I like the way Ella said it best (even though I don't really like the guy) "Its not cheating until you get caught." When your on the level of "I must download some program to win" in this game, you lose all the fun already.

Omnia alive and well, thank you!

[waffel]

10 day raid suspension is a big deal? Why not do other things in game? Help noobs? Level an alt? Go outside? Try to see how many consecutive days in a row you can shower?

[Seltius]

Someone used twitter to alert to me that a mob spawned instead of me logging in game to receive a tell, HAX!

lol Arum you rabblerouser!

Arms race.

Thanks just blew coffee out of my nose at the sight of you posting that.

jesus christ blue is fucking stupid

Dont lie you know you miss it Jeremy.

Flare...how many pieces of it do you have?

Hmm hoping this is an Office Space reference. Loved that movie.

In a thread full of cringe worthy posting, the most cringe worthy of all is when this meeting of super dorks keeps getting referred to as a “summit”.

And Chardok AOE exploiting is not on the same level as 5 BDA members pretending to XP in ToV with the sole intent of disrupting raid pulls.


I am laughing at ^this guy posting about cringe worthy posting when can we expect your next tear soaked post about a surname no one but you cares about?


I would like to remind anyone using Skype with video to please disable your cam or shut it off if you get an itch you need to scratch and start surfing porn.

[Swish]

How many rules govern the raid scene at the moment?

(apart from "not enough")

[Lune]

http://i.imgur.com/M5hmexl.jpg

It's about god damn time; what a monumental shitposter.

Take this time away from these forums to think of some interesting things to write, so I can stop ignoring your posts.

[Seltius]

http://i.imgur.com/M5hmexl.jpg

It's about god damn time; what a monumental shitposter.

Take this time away from these forums to think of some interesting things to write, so I can stop ignoring your posts.

Probably just a suspension. I know people were rejoicing about another ban last week and it was probably one of the shortest lived suspensions on these forums.

[Prismaticshop]

LOL 10 day suspensions for all raid targets when you break the rules? Holy mother of god I hope Sirken sticks to his guns on this one. This is exactly the kind of shit we need to fix a lot of the bullshit that goes on daily specifically with the top tier raid guilds.

I bet Aftermath is shitting their pants right now. Their entire strategy just got hit with a huge nerfbat. Wouldn't be surprised to see that guild RIP In Pepperoni's in like 2 months. Eat like 3x 10 day suspensions and your members will all start peacing the fuck out to different guilds. It just might be the funniest thing I've ever seen when it happens. Can't wait.

You seem upset that Aftermath's move was approved by the lead GM on the box, which will thus have no consequences.

Moreover I don't want to shit on your parade, but AM just gave a free statue to another guild, they not only conceded but killed it for them which clearly shows they are very aware of what is allowed and what's not.

[AzzarTheGod]

I would rather have bad posts than

1- Be a tranny/use a voice changer
2- Spend every waking moment sifting through Everquest patch notes for 6 years straight
3-Have 10 level 60s and raid on p99 for 6 years

lol

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/M5hmexl.jpg

It's about god damn time; what a monumental shitposter.

Take this time away from these forums to think of some interesting things to write, so I can stop ignoring your posts.

[khysanth]

Empty quote means a lot less from a guy who "retired" after nearly 20k posts on elfsim forum

[Phantasm]

Swish says Pokesan was a shit poster

Lolololololololol

[Swish]

Dear Chest, please reward Phantasm 1/4 portion of pixels... I think this is his 2nd/3rd post Swish related post now, he's becoming the new Ravager (yikes) :o

[Gimp]

I liked your dogs in the pool gif 10x more than this one

[Swish]

There you go, add it to yours <3

http://i.imgur.com/KHbduuD.gif

http://i.imgur.com/KHbduuD.gif

[Phantasm]

You still focusing on rolling down hills or have you finally gotten a job to pay for your own WiFi instead of whatever McDonalds your stomach guides you to?

Either way, chests raid discussion post *is* retarded

[Swish]

I'm mad that you're calling me out for my attempted pixel gains so I'm going to get personal.

Better play it cool and stick to the circlejerk recipe, we are "the bad guys" after all.

[Troubled]

I tried Red last night there was like 52 ppl on entire box. Empire disbanded and server is even more ghost town than its ever been. U gonna need to step ur red recruitment up big time to salvage that dead server pal.

He's the one who killed it.

[Swish]

Rudith <Empire>

think you were part of the problem old chum

[Troubled]

think you were part of the problem old chum

http://i.imgur.com/gdKKN1o.jpg

[Mistle]

Empty quote means a lot less from a guy who "retired" after nearly 20k posts on elfsim forum

[Swish]

Sirken makes sacks of hammers look like mensa candidates. Rogean, whatever pictures he has of you to keep his job throuh this much gross incompetence cant be THAT naughty.

Didn't have to look far down the guy's post history to find some shit. Bashing staff and you're still here somehow.

Love these anon accounts, however that's Fieldfare in game if anyone wants to sin bin him.

[Tuljin]

How about not talking shit from anon accounts? That's what's cucky

[jcr4990]

Swish abusing GM powers to unveil anon account identities confirmed

What a cuckFreezi banned less than 30 min after calling out Swish for abusing powers. Things that make ya go HMMMMMM.

[Swish]

Nothing to do with me, he had it coming tho

[jcr4990]

Nothing to do with me

http://i.imgur.com/G8QCMP2.gif

[Cecily]

Omg you're so pretty.

[Mistle]

Didn't have to look far down the guy's post history to find some shit

Taking the time to go through post histories? Jimmies confirmed rustled.

[Nibblewitz]

Maximum rustle whenever we post on these forums.

Retire better you ripe cunt.

[Swish]

Maximum rustle whenever we post on these forums.

Retire better you ripe cunt.

1/4 pixel ration for this guy too Chest, I hope you or someone from the loot council is writing this down.

Also breaking BDA's code of conduct, I'd have a word with him about that.

:o

[AzzarTheGod]

Lots of BDA conduct violations in this thread.

[Seltius]

http://i.imgur.com/G8QCMP2.gif

No longer valid if she isn't naked in the gif.. Now that anyone who can Google has seen her naked or pictures claiming to be of her naked.

[Ravager]

1/4 pixel ration for this guy too Chest, I hope you or someone from the loot council is writing this down.

Also breaking BDA's code of conduct, I'd have a word with him about that.

:o

What's wrong with you? Serious question.

[Troubled]

1/4 pixel ration for this guy too Chest, I hope you or someone from the loot council is writing this down.

Also breaking BDA's code of conduct, I'd have a word with him about that.

:o

Stalkin hard now brew. Try to relax. You're fuckin weird.

[AzzarTheGod]

Stalkin hard now brew. Try to relax. You're fuckin weird.

its not cool to hate on BDA anymore? DAMN IT.

[arsenalpow]

1/4 pixel ration for this guy too Chest, I hope you or someone from the loot council is writing this down.

Also breaking BDA's code of conduct, I'd have a word with him about that.

:o

Get fucked you weird cunt

[jcr4990]

Get fucked you weird cuntWait is BDA allowed to RNF in RNF again? Why didn't I get this memo?

Fuck you Swish you dumb cuck. Please do us all a favor and retire for real. We all breathed a collective sigh of relief at your retirement post and the forums were a slightly better place for a whole like.. 2 weeks? Til your retarded ass couldn't deal with the withdrawal symptoms of Forumquest anymore and came crawling back to continue posting 150x a day saying nothing anyone has ever cared about. Go censor more "uncut" subreddits or something.

Oh god that felt goog. Was holding that in for a while.

[Troubled]

its not cool to hate on BDA anymore? DAMN IT.

It's always cool, but it has to come from the heart. Coming from a place of ignorance every single time gets boring and redundant.

[quido]

you seem very upset by Swish

[Troubled]

http://i.imgur.com/GVygj39.gif

[Swish]

Look at all these BDA mads, you guys are hilarious haha

[Ravager]

Swish thinks stalking is cool. Explains quite a bit.

[Seltius]

Swish love the new signature.

Now there is some real rage being shown in this thread. The pent up anger, angst, and attitude. Let your anger flow!

If you are being stalked or feel like your being stalked by Swish then its time to do something about it.

You can

A) Unplug go out into the sunshine knowing you are safe once again from Swish.
B) Rage, petition, and ultimately have a stroke. Knowing in those last moments you are free from Swish once again.
C) Ignore it or consider it flattering that some odd person on the internets is so interested in you and feel like you actually have someone who likes you.
C+) Mirror everything he does become the troll you were always meant to be and beat him at his own games.
F) Post whining about him stalking you and beg for help getting the bully to stop.
Z) Cover your windows, add an additional deadbolt to the front door, and amass a stockpile of weapons, food, and socks. Knowing that one day Swish will find you and the zomb...err swish apocalypse will begine.

[Ciroco]

Swish love the new signature.

http://i.imgur.com/jYMJD9Y.gif