Low level chat filters are retardedly strict

[Xaanka]

How is a new player even supposed to figure this game out anymore? I know why the chat filters are in place, but they are overly strong and make the game unplayable for a new player.

Since the filter was implemented, I've tried to get 3 different rl friends to try p99 and each time it's the same. You're over at their house, so you can't log in without an IP exemption that takes weeks to get, so they roll a fresh level 1 on their own. "See that guy in the druid guild? That's another player. You should send him a message and ask if he has some money you can get spells with"

But they can't, because of the chat filter. They get frustrated and log out. Then I have to explain the greengrocer thing. Then they question if a GM ever even made a level 1 to play test this new "feature" to see how it affected gameplay. Hint: nobody ever did.

TL;DR Chat filter is retarded and discourages new players from trying the game. It should not affect the /tell channel, nor should it be as strict as it is. Strong filters make sense for red /ooc and only in the EC zone on blue, there's no reason to have such strict filters on local or private channels.

Posting because somebody has to be a voice for new players, this is fucked.

[Gimp]

You can thank Greengrocer for that.

[Tupakk]

You can't send tells at lvl 1?

[Swish]

I'm surprised you can still run at level 1

[Goliathan]

You can't send tells at lvl 1?

I wanna say you can. But the chat functionality is totally off putting for sub level 5 characters. The sentence has to be short and be like 70% lower case. So if you write a solid message it gets deleted. You have to basically sound like a toddler till level 5.

"hi am new buff?"

"So how are you enjoying p99"

Message not sent due to chat filter restrictions.
Message not sent due to chat filter restrictions.
Message not sent due to chat filter restrictions.

Person leaves. You're now alone again.

It doesn't even tell you how long till you can send a message again. Sometimes it seems like 10 seconds. Other times it feels like 5 minutes. It's kinda rubbish. Could be streamlined a heck of a lot better.

[Tupakk]

I send tells all the time on my lvl 1 EC mule. I guess I will have to load it up and talk a lot more.

Not to start a fight but if you are introducing a friend to EQ and playing with them use a voice chat. Also getting to lvl 5 isn't that hard even if you have no idea what you are doing.

Smack mobs get exp.

If your starting to beg already at lvl 1 then maybe EQ isn't for you.

[Xaanka]

You can't send tells at lvl 1?

/t player hi i'm new to this game
/t player I was wondering if i could get some platinum to help me buy my starting spells.
Message not sent due to chat filter restrictions.

[Tupakk]

[QUOTE=Rogean;2178785]
[B]Rogean: Accounts with characters under level 5 will now be subject to the following chat limits across all public channels:

2 Messages per 10 seconds.
Messages must be under 80 characters.
Messages must contain 70% Lowercase alphabet.

/QUOTE]

Shouldn't take long to hit level 5.

EDIT: Not to mention, 80 characters is plenty for NPCs. 2 messages every 10 seconds is also plenty to do just about any interaction you need til level 5. Yeah, it sucks that we have to have a filter in the first place, but I was one of the people suggesting they implement something of this nature to combat the recent spammer we've had.

Level 5 comes quickly, and you don't actually -need- to interact with, well... anything in the EC tunnel to get there. If you're worried about selling stuff, you could either just bank it til 5, or wait for someone to auction WTB the item you have (Under level 5 is probably bone chips and pelts, so it happens often) and just /tell them.

[Swish]

Whatever anyone else says, surely one of the best moments on P99 is day 1 when you realize everything is as you remember it from 17 years ago and you want to talk to others or say something in ooc or shout (more than what you'd put in an eBay feedback comment).

[Swish]

On the flipside, you can roleplay an ogre really well with those restrictions.

[Xaanka]

I send tells all the time on my lvl 1 EC mule. I guess I will have to load it up and talk a lot more.

Not to start a fight but if you are introducing a friend to EQ and playing with them use a voice chat. Also getting to lvl 5 isn't that hard even if you have no idea what you are doing.

Smack mobs get exp.

If your starting to beg already at lvl 1 then maybe EQ isn't for you.

If you have a character over level 5 on the account the filters don't apply. Starting out in Everquest without being able to ask players questions is a bit rough. Asking for starting plat for spells was just one of many examples I could make. Imagine trying to find a group. You have to keep in mind, I'm talking about how this filter affects brand new players, not people like yourself and I who have played this game for 17 years and know how to smack mobs in the first place.

Point I'm trying to make is GM's lost touch with new players and didn't look into how this filter would affect them, which is the same thing you're doing. It's easy to do. My point is, the chat filter only needs to exist on the red /ooc channel and in the EC zone on blue. It simply isn't necessary in any other zones and much lighter filters could block GG's spam if it ever became an issue in local chat channels.

Why shouldn't I be able to go over to a friend's house and introduce them to this game? Seems weird & antisocial to me.

[Tupakk]

They aren't going to change it Because getting to 5 isn't that hard.

And again there are more than just in game messages to help you get there. If you are over at the dudes house you can help hm get to 5 that much faster by saying hey go smack mobs.

As far as IP exempt think ahead if you want to go to a friends house or run the risk and VPN.
If you don't want to voice chat , sit behind him, talk to him on the phone, text, send him tells without him responding more than ok, ask questions below 70 chars and every 10 seconds.

I really don't see the issue. If I got a friend started he would be 5 in an hour and could talk like a hen in a hen house.

The amount of effort you put in this thread you could of gotten him to 5.

The amount of time I spent typing all this up while smacking mobs I've gotten 70%

[Swish]

This isn't about new players anymore though.

Nobody has time to do GM events for them, they're all stuck in conference calls with zerg guilds trying to lawyer up and move the goalposts for more pixel opportunities.

[Xaanka]

The amount of effort you put in this thread you could of gotten him to 5.

The amount of time I spent typing all this up while smacking mobs I've gotten 70%

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

[AzzarTheGod]

Its been raised before but 'gean doesn't seem to care about this one.

[Tupakk]

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

So give him lvl 5 and teach him after that.

[Pokesan]

yeah go ahead and ruin the best part of the game for him

[Pokesan]

This isn't about new players anymore though.

Nobody has time to do GM events for them, they're all stuck in conference calls with zerg guilds trying to lawyer up and move the goalposts for more pixel opportunities.

think they're still on the skype call? hours upon hours of hammering out the rules and regulations of internet dragons?

:eek:

[ridiculousmoose]

If you can't get to 5 without talking I don't want you on my server.

[Swish]

think they're still on the skype call? hours upon hours of hammering out the rules and regulations of internet dragons?

:eek:

I think if Sirken didn't try to end the call, they would be.

[Jimjam]

People who roll a new character and feel they need to ask for spell money...

I can never decide if they can't EQ (because even Erudites can melee a level 1 mob most of the time) or if they are actually good at EQ (because they know to ask for help and give themselves a leg up over other starting characters).

[maskedmelon]

EQ us actually brutal if you don't have 17+ years of mmo experience. Yeah, you can kill decaying skeletons and large rats, but plague rats and fire beetles will fuck you up, while spiders will gang bang you. And don't forget to press enter before typing when talking to your guildmaster after you've wandered the city for an hour or more looking for them.

[Xaanka]

EQ us actually brutal if you don't have 17+ years of mmo experience. Yeah, you can kill decaying skeletons and large rats, but plague rats and fire beetles will fuck you up, while spiders will gang bang you. And don't forget to press enter before typing when talking to your guildmaster after you've wandered the city for an hour or more looking for them.

i'm wondering if any of these posters have ever helped a truly new player. its a wonder if they can figure out how to auto attack without asking someone.

[Baa]

I had a friend who was fresh to EQ (and mmo's in general) and I taught him what to do through text, probably took him better part of a week to hit level 5 due to him taking the time to figure out the game and enjoy himself - he probably wouldn't have hung around with this being in place (RQ king). There was much messaging back in forth with simple stuff like:
Him - "Why the hell is it so foggy and I cannot see 5m infront of me"
Me - "Go to options blah blah blah"

[LostCause]

how many people that are "new" never played everquest.. bet almost none unless a friend got them to play which in that case they have help already.

[Jimjam]

i'm wondering if any of these posters have ever helped a truly new player. its a wonder if they can figure out how to auto attack without asking someone.

I forgot that this server doesn't enforce the classic 'reading the kunark manual and playing the tutorial for many hours before actually being able to log into the game' that I went through when I first started EQ.

iirc the current client doesn't even come with the original tutorial in working order.

[Swish]

People who roll a new character and feel they need to ask for spell money...

I can never decide if they can't EQ (because even Erudites can melee a level 1 mob most of the time) or if they are actually good at EQ (because they know to ask for help and give themselves a leg up over other starting characters).

I always find those level 1 human wizards believable when they come up to me in the tunnel asking for plat (lol)

[trite]

What percentage of people were actually affected by the serial spammer. I admit I don't spend much time in EC...how persistent could he have been. Was it a bot that automatically created new accounts and wandered around proxy servers logging in and auto spamming. Or was it just one guy who spammed EC for like 3 nights one time....

[Doors]

So just grind out to level 5. Takes like an hour or less.

[jolanar]

Maybe a better solution is to just change the error message to let newbies know what the restrictions are and when they will be removed.

"Your message did not go through because it was over 80 characters, this restriction will be removed at level 5. Thank you."

[Tupakk]

Maybe a better solution is to just change the error message to let newbies know what the restrictions are and when they will be removed.

"Your message did not go through because it was over 80 characters, this restriction will be removed at level 5. Thank you."


That is prolly the best advice that has come out of this thread.

[thufir]

If your starting to beg already at lvl 1 then maybe EQ isn't for you.

[Lieslana]

I don't know for tells , but IP exemptions... Weeks ?
It's maybe because you don't follow how to correctly. I did it twice so far , last year and this year and it took 48-72h max. Which is pretty reasonable for a free service.

[Xaanka]

I don't know for tells , but IP exemptions... Weeks ?
It's maybe because you don't follow how to correctly. I did it twice so far , last year and this year and it took 48-72h max. Which is pretty reasonable for a free service.

I've had them be quick & slow about it. Point is, if you're at a friends house trying to show someone the game, it's not like you can just log on and help them.

[Xaanka]

this isn't a rant about the staff, it's a rant about a poorly implemented feature that wasn't properly tested and makes this game even more difficult for new players to get into.

[AzzarTheGod]

this isn't a rant about the staff, it's a rant about a poorly implemented feature that wasn't properly tested and makes this game even more difficult for new players to get into.

its been mentioned, hes posted in threads where its been mentioned.

hes aware of the problems, he had no further comment.

[AzzarTheGod]

rather, its assumed that he read the complaints. he didn't acknowledge them and left the thread after the negative feedback rolled in a few months ago.

[Safon]

What is the story with this Greengrocer guy, and how he got this restriction put in place?

[maskedmelon]

What is the story with this Greengrocer guy, and how he got this restriction put in place?

The story of the grocer is a tragedy regardless of whom you may ask of it. However disagreement and speculation flourish around the subject of said tragedy.

It all started when an enterprising young halfling entered norrath's food service industry. Working out of the Eastern Commonlands, the grocer channeled his creative energies to forge a premiere catering firm Nomsanto Industries, specializing in rare meats and derivative products. Rumors of shady dealings and questionable sourcing of select ingredients swirled behind the scenes, but did not impede his rise to fame.

He enjoyed unparalleled popularity both in The world of Norrath as well as on his marketing platform of choice: Elfsim Forums. And he delighted in it. Encourages by his success, the grocer launched other ventures: a pants business and a simulation game based on his catering business. Things were going well for the grocer.

He applied to the great Elfsim courts for a seat at the bench and was welcomed to their council as Guide Morgan, where he continued the tradition of mischief and merrymaking that had propelled him to the rank of Elfsim celebrity.

Then, something happened. No one knows for sure all the details as the truth lies at the heart of an impregnable mountain of tinfoil and bergers. The grocer was dismissed. And then, he snapped. He waged war on the highest powers of Norath and lambasted the community who had loved him with wild shitstorms unlike any seen before or since.

His fall from glory was swift and sudden, but his fury could not be quelled. The battle spilled beyond Elfsim and ultimately fizzled as our dear leaders enacted reforms. The grocer's legacy is still with us, though sadly not in the form of fine meats or legwear. The delayed new user authentication process and the bizarre user profile visitor names that lead to its implementation are all that remains.

[Safon]

The story of the grocer is a tragedy regardless of whom you may ask of it. However disagreement and speculation flourish around the subject of said tragedy.

It all started when an enterprising young halfling entered norrath's food service industry. Working out of the Eastern Commonlands, the grocer channeled his creative energies to forge a premiere catering firm Nomsanto Industries, specializing in rare meats and derivative products. Rumors of shady dealings and questionable sourcing of select ingredients swirled behind the scenes, but did not impede his rise to fame.

He enjoyed unparalleled popularity both in The world of Norrath as well as on his marketing platform of choice: Elfsim Forums. And he delighted in it. Encourages by his success, the grocer launched other ventures: a pants business and a simulation game based on his catering business. Things were going well for the grocer.

He applied to the great Elfsim courts for a seat at the bench and was welcomed to their council as Guide Morgan, where he continued the tradition of mischief and merrymaking that had propelled him to the rank of Elfsim celebrity.

Then, something happened. No one knows for sure all the details as the truth lies at the heart of an impregnable mountain of tinfoil and bergers. The grocer was dismissed. And then, he snapped. He waged war on the highest powers of Norath and lambasted the community who had loved him with wild shitstorms unlike any seen before or since.

His fall from glory was swift and sudden, but his fury could not be quelled. The battle spilled beyond Elfsim and ultimately fizzled as our dear leaders enacted reforms. The grocer's legacy is still with us, though sadly not in the form of fine meats or legwear. The delayed new user authentication process and the bizarre user profile visitor names that lead to its implementation are all that remains.

Holy fuck, you are a lvl 60 forum master. I couldn't have hoped for a better response lol, ty mate

[maskedmelon]

Holy fuck, you are a lvl 60 forum master. I couldn't have hoped for a better response lol, ty mate

Happy to help ^^

[Thana8088]

Holy fuck, you are a lvl 60 forum master. I couldn't have hoped for a better response lol, ty mate

Going to have to agree with this.

Afucking+ maskedmelon

[Expediency]

Why does it have to be level 5? Level two would be a good compromise, anyone wanting to spam would have to level each character to level two and that does take time, especially untwinked.

[Baler]

How long does it take you people to get to level 5?
Didn't take me all that long.

Hell in the time it took this thread to hit page 5 I could have leveled several characters to 5.

[Pokesan]

How long does it take you people to get to level 5?
Didn't take me all that long.

Hell in the time it took this thread to hit page 5 I could have leveled several characters to 5.

you done jerking yourself off about how good you are at leveling to 5? :eek:

[Baler]

yeah I'm sorry :(

[Riddar]

I've got to admit, it is very annoying for new players.

Started playing for the first time since 2004 with a friend, both practically complete newbies. The issues we had communicating from different zones before we could group was a nightmare.

Today, I was hanging around with a Necro named Ozzer, really nice guy. I looked so rude not being able to reply most of the time.

It really is an issue hence why I checked the board for when the restriction lifts.

[Swish]

It's supposed to be a social game after all. If new players start with the mindset that they can't communicate... imagine what'll happen when they start leading guilds and entering the raid scene :p

[Splade]

The story of the grocer is a tragedy regardless of whom you may ask of it. However disagreement and speculation flourish around the subject of said tragedy.

It all started when an enterprising young halfling entered norrath's food service industry. Working out of the Eastern Commonlands, the grocer channeled his creative energies to forge a premiere catering firm Nomsanto Industries, specializing in rare meats and derivative products. Rumors of shady dealings and questionable sourcing of select ingredients swirled behind the scenes, but did not impede his rise to fame.

He enjoyed unparalleled popularity both in The world of Norrath as well as on his marketing platform of choice: Elfsim Forums. And he delighted in it. Encourages by his success, the grocer launched other ventures: a pants business and a simulation game based on his catering business. Things were going well for the grocer.

He applied to the great Elfsim courts for a seat at the bench and was welcomed to their council as Guide Morgan, where he continued the tradition of mischief and merrymaking that had propelled him to the rank of Elfsim celebrity.

Then, something happened. No one knows for sure all the details as the truth lies at the heart of an impregnable mountain of tinfoil and bergers. The grocer was dismissed. And then, he snapped. He waged war on the highest powers of Norath and lambasted the community who had loved him with wild shitstorms unlike any seen before or since.

His fall from glory was swift and sudden, but his fury could not be quelled. The battle spilled beyond Elfsim and ultimately fizzled as our dear leaders enacted reforms. The grocer's legacy is still with us, though sadly not in the form of fine meats or legwear. The delayed new user authentication process and the bizarre user profile visitor names that lead to its implementation are all that remains.
Please tell me you didn't waste your time and type all of that out and you copy and pasted it from some other neckbeard

[Baler]

http://i.imgur.com/dtSvVCd.gif

Yeah it really sucks that the spam filter is blocking stuff like this. (sarcasm)
Because now we have one less thing to complain "talk" about on the forums.

[thufir]

Please tell me you didn't waste your time and type all of that out and you copy and pasted it from some other neckbeard
"all of that out"? it was like, 100 words. prob took him 3 minutes.

http://i.imgur.com/dtSvVCd.gif

Yeah it really sucks that the spam filter is blocking stuff like this. (sarcasm)
Because now we have one less thing to complain "talk" about on the forums.
people don't want to waste their valuable hour leveling up to 5

[Tupakk]

How is this thread still alive. If OP hasn't gotten to 5 now, I think he needs help.

[myriverse]

I don't read chat longer than 80 chars anyway.