This game, this community... holy crap.

[ludovician]

So, I play here super casually. I played with the hope of raiding on here someday, but having been browsing the forums for the past few months I can honestly say no-fkn-way.

The argument in the guild summit meeting thread about move speed getting to Tormax was enough to turn me off to this game forever. Is the high end community really THAT nitpicky over every single rule and how every single statement written by the staff is worded? I don't want to hang out with people who are going to try to twist everyone else's words so that they favor one individual.

Then I read about how every guild needed a bat phone to be competitive. So I'm on the same page: You want to text me at 3am on a work night to wake me up to log onto a game to push some buttons to kill an e-monster to have a 1/60 chance of getting some loot? That doesn't fit into my life and I'm surprised it fits into so many other people's lives.

For a casual like me I guess there's no hope of playing. What are you guys even competing so hard for? Those same monsters are going to spawn -forever- and future progression is pretty uncertain. You're literally just rushing to min maxing a character so you can look at some slightly bigger numbers in your stats screen and you're killing the enjoyment of the game for a ton of people.

I don't play here really so I guess my word is pretty much crap to all of you and I expect a pretty unfriendly response, but from the outside looking in - how the hell do people play this game?

[Whirled]

Cheers brother! I'm also supoer-casual (dont have any 60 characters) +I still log in from time to time to goof around but ya.. too many take this stuff waaay too seriously. Chalk me up for one of the friendly responses + if you do decide to log in for a bit, lmk.

[Pokesan]

yep!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

So, I play here super casually. I played with the hope of raiding on here someday, but having been browsing the forums for the past few months I can honestly say no-fkn-way.

The argument in the guild summit meeting thread about move speed getting to Tormax was enough to turn me off to this game forever. Is the high end community really THAT nitpicky over every single rule and how every single statement written by the staff is worded? I don't want to hang out with people who are going to try to twist everyone else's words so that they favor one individual.

Then I read about how every guild needed a bat phone to be competitive. So I'm on the same page: You want to text me at 3am on a work night to wake me up to log onto a game to push some buttons to kill an e-monster to have a 1/60 chance of getting some loot? That doesn't fit into my life and I'm surprised it fits into so many other people's lives.

For a casual like me I guess there's no hope of playing. What are you guys even competing so hard for? Those same monsters are going to spawn -forever- and future progression is pretty uncertain. You're literally just rushing to min maxing a character so you can look at some slightly bigger numbers in your stats screen and you're killing the enjoyment of the game for a ton of people.

I don't play here really so I guess my word is pretty much crap to all of you and I expect a pretty unfriendly response, but from the outside looking in - how the hell do people play this game?

Devs are soon implementing high end content that takes 43 minutes to complete, start to finish, and is triggered by the player so no batphone. Plus, make sure to visit the p99 store for exp potions and other unique items!

[zanderklocke]

Yep. Raiding in EverQuest is a total joke on this server. There's a reason why most future games invented instancing. Actually getting to engage the mob on this server is multitudes harder than the actual mechanics of defeating the mob.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Join a casual raiding guild that does lightly-contested content. Or don't even raid. Go group in high-level dungeons and explore the crazy shit out in western wastes, etc.

Also, pretty much every single epic can be bought, and generally the time it takes to obtain an epic via farming platinum is less than the equivalent raiding time required, assuming you have some degree of competency in the game.

[khanable]

Just don't raid or join a casual raiding guild with lax batphone rules.

And yes, the end-game scene here is absolute shit. And yes, you're right - there isn't much left here but the "get this and the other guys don't get this" mentality is strong enough to continue the extreme measures needed to raid/win.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

ToV on Sunday is more busy than Knapford station at rush hour.

[Spyder73]

raid scene isn't that bad - gets over blown on the fourms.

There is this imagined image of eighty 30-40 year old men all staring at a computer screen with drool dripping out of the corner of their mouths sh!tting into socks. Its simply not the case.

[Pokesan]

post the last week of raid alerts

[Famas1171]

raid scene isn't that bad - gets over blown on the fourms.

There is this imagined image of eighty 30-40 year old men all staring at a computer screen with drool dripping out of the corner of their mouths sh!tting into socks. Its simply not the case.

I call Bullshit.

[thufir]

So, I play here super casually. I played with the hope of raiding on here someday, but having been browsing the forums for the past few months I can honestly say no-fkn-way.

The argument in the guild summit meeting thread about move speed getting to Tormax was enough to turn me off to this game forever. Is the high end community really THAT nitpicky over every single rule and how every single statement written by the staff is worded? I don't want to hang out with people who are going to try to twist everyone else's words so that they favor one individual.

Then I read about how every guild needed a bat phone to be competitive. So I'm on the same page: You want to text me at 3am on a work night to wake me up to log onto a game to push some buttons to kill an e-monster to have a 1/60 chance of getting some loot? That doesn't fit into my life and I'm surprised it fits into so many other people's lives.

For a casual like me I guess there's no hope of playing. What are you guys even competing so hard for? Those same monsters are going to spawn -forever- and future progression is pretty uncertain. You're literally just rushing to min maxing a character so you can look at some slightly bigger numbers in your stats screen and you're killing the enjoyment of the game for a ton of people.

I don't play here really so I guess my word is pretty much crap to all of you and I expect a pretty unfriendly response, but from the outside looking in - how the hell do people play this game?
Because much of EverQuest is the journey, not the destination. The end game was never awesome and is even less awesome on this server than Live. I am of the opinion that end games for mmos are generally not awesome, which is why it makes me sad so many of them have the mindset of "get to the level cap and now the REAL game will begin" (which is usually dull).

The meat of this game during this era was always in the exploration of new areas, bringing your group to dark corners of Norrath, killing mobs that few people ever saw. You can still do that on p99. To me that's the reason to play. No matter what anyone says there's still things to do here that few people ever do, and things to see that few people ever see, even 17 years later. I know because I bring my static group to these areas and very few people are ever there, if anyone.. The population concentrates itself in a few zones, leaving a lot for others to see.

I've been playing for close to three years on p99 now, on and off, taking my time. It's a long trek to 60, and it can be quite enjoyable if you do it right. People who rush to 60 just so they can sit at the firepots in NToV and wait for the pull team to give them a dragon to kill confuse me. On one level I get it, people like having the best pixels, and this is one of the easier ways to get them. But that isn't me.

The point is that EverQuest is what you make of it. Don't worry if you are not planning on being a top end raider. There's tons to do even if you're not.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Trackers are for sure.

The rest just log when they hear the phones. Some of them will stop their real lives for this call and be on high alert. Others will log in if convenient.

The last most reasonable group of people often get blocked from bidding because they do not meet the holy number of raid attendance in order to spend the dkp THEY EARNED.

[Ravager]

Raiding here sucks. Not raiding here doesn't suck. There's a lot of great content that gets ignored in everyone's rush to get to raiding.

[Danth]

So, I play here super casually. I played with the hope of raiding on here someday...

...but from the outside looking in - how the hell do people play this game?

Most the players on P1999 don't like the present high-end raid scene, and participate instead in other parts of the game. It's a fairly extensive game, after all. Only a small portion of the population here does high-end raids. As Zanderklocke posted--welcome to a reminder of why newer games typically make liberal use of instancing. Everquest demonstrated why it's bad for a small minority of nolifers to be able to dictate what content everyone else can or can't do; later games fixed that problem. Most the folks who stick with P99 year after year simply try to avoid the bad while enjoying the good.

Danth

[zanderklocke]

"Once Velious is released, all of the problems in the raid scene will be fixed because you can't just mow down mobs with more than 32K HP." :rolleyes:

[Vallanor]

The raid scene on p99 is pretty bad, but there are many casual raid guilds you can join in which batphones are totally optional and raids are never required. Join one of those and raid as little or as often as you want to maximize your fun.

[Fountree]

Those who still raid competitively on this server must have some sort of chemical imbalance. There's little point since the content progression is over.

[JayDee]

Make your own server and summon anything you want with GM commands

[Spyder73]

Those who still raid competitively on this server must have some sort of chemical imbalance. There's little point since the content progression is over.

There was a point in WoW where I had full tier 2 and all the goodies I needed out of BWL for my shaman - I looted my mace off of Nefarian and was full of joy. I went to Org after the raid and did all my town sh!t and then I stood there looking at my character, reveling in my glory. Enough of that I told myself, time to get back to work....only there was nothing left to do. My character was full BiS. Feelings of joy turned to feelings of wasted time, little Tekilya was crushed. I vowed to myself from that point forward that I would never get caught in a gear grind again.

At least with progression being locked your BiS char will always be shiny, expansions are what turn your gear to crap.

There is plenty to do in EQ without worry about Vulak loot

[Ravager]

Make your own server and summon anything you want with GM commands

Some people like to play in their own sandbox. Which is fine. Other people like to play in a public sandbox, which is fine too. Even more people like to play in public sandboxes that aren't pissed in by few special buddies who think it's fun to piss in a public sandbox and then tell people to go find their own sandbox if they want a piss-free sandbox. Why isn't that fine?

[RDawg816]

Even more people like to play in public sandboxes that aren't pissed in by few special buddies who think it's fun to piss in a public sandbox and then tell people to go find their own sandbox if they want a piss-free sandbox. Why isn't that fine?
That would be fine with me. Realistically, we can only hope those neckbeards and lawyers quit before Sirken and them do, eh?

[Cecily]

Not a chance. We've been camping the GM spawn for years and you need to gtfo of our area or we'll petition you.

[Nadril]

Don't waste your time even thinking about raiding. Great game. Awful community. You have to realize, most of the high end raiders on here have a life that revolves around fighting over the 300th Trakanon spawn for their 4th level 60. The point at which I realized how pathetic these people are is when someone explained duck/coth casting to me....Wow.

[Kekephee]

Let's all go back to Archeage

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/3CaBaT5.gif

[Swish]

Don't waste your time even thinking about raiding. Great game. Awful community. You have to realize, most of the high end raiders on here have a life that revolves around fighting over the 300th Trakanon spawn for their 4th level 60. The point at which I realized how pathetic these people are is when someone explained duck/coth casting to me....Wow.

[Cecily]

Let's all go back to Archeage

Why wasn't that game good? Dammit. I looked like Lineage II reborn, come to take me, once again, from Everquest hell to the PVP holy land. F2P cash shop ruined shit game.

[Nerrp]

So, I play here super casually. I played with the hope of raiding on here someday, but having been browsing the forums for the past few months I can honestly say no-fkn-way.

The argument in the guild summit meeting thread about move speed getting to Tormax was enough to turn me off to this game forever. Is the high end community really THAT nitpicky over every single rule and how every single statement written by the staff is worded? I don't want to hang out with people who are going to try to twist everyone else's words so that they favor one individual.

Then I read about how every guild needed a bat phone to be competitive. So I'm on the same page: You want to text me at 3am on a work night to wake me up to log onto a game to push some buttons to kill an e-monster to have a 1/60 chance of getting some loot? That doesn't fit into my life and I'm surprised it fits into so many other people's lives.

For a casual like me I guess there's no hope of playing. What are you guys even competing so hard for? Those same monsters are going to spawn -forever- and future progression is pretty uncertain. You're literally just rushing to min maxing a character so you can look at some slightly bigger numbers in your stats screen and you're killing the enjoyment of the game for a ton of people.

I don't play here really so I guess my word is pretty much crap to all of you and I expect a pretty unfriendly response, but from the outside looking in - how the hell do people play this game?

It's not that bad - the FORUMS are the worst of p99. Players on p99 are generally good people (generally being an important caveat).

Join a guild without manditory raid attendance. I was in Anonymous, and it was a great community. Yes, they batphoned their kills. Turn your notifications off for batphone when you don't want to be bothered. Don't want to batphone a 3am target? great. Turn off batphone.

TL/DR - Raid scene is bad, but if you join the right guild, it's still fun, and won't consume your life pooping in socks.

[kagrobb]

ToV on Sunday is more busy than Knapford station at rush hour.


You have caused confusion and delay!

[Xaanka]

glad u made it all the way to lvl 60 before you realized that you're not playing warcraft this game isn't designed to cater to casual players

[Brontus]

Because much of EverQuest is the journey, not the destination. The end game was never awesome and is even less awesome on this server than Live. I am of the opinion that end games for mmos are generally not awesome, which is why it makes me sad so many of them have the mindset of "get to the level cap and now the REAL game will begin" (which is usually dull).

The meat of this game during this era was always in the exploration of new areas, bringing your group to dark corners of Norrath, killing mobs that few people ever saw. You can still do that on p99. To me that's the reason to play. No matter what anyone says there's still things to do here that few people ever do, and things to see that few people ever see, even 17 years later. I know because I bring my static group to these areas and very few people are ever there, if anyone.. The population concentrates itself in a few zones, leaving a lot for others to see.

I've been playing for close to three years on p99 now, on and off, taking my time. It's a long trek to 60, and it can be quite enjoyable if you do it right. People who rush to 60 just so they can sit at the firepots in NToV and wait for the pull team to give them a dragon to kill confuse me. On one level I get it, people like having the best pixels, and this is one of the easier ways to get them. But that isn't me.

The point is that EverQuest is what you make of it. Don't worry if you are not planning on being a top end raider. There's tons to do even if you're not.

This is one of the best insights I have ever seen about P1999 and MMORPGs in general. It is indeed all about the journey. Savor it and enjoy it. Stop and smell the roses. Think about the good friends you'll meet along the way as you explore Norrath.

Don't fall sway to the siren song of the empty promises of the raiding culture and let the ultra-achievers dictate your pace and what you can and can't enjoy.

Look at all the acrimony these raiders are experiencing on these forums and in-game as they squabble over a few pixels. Why would anyone ever want to race to level 60 just to be unhappy?

Nobody wants to rush to age 60 in the real world, why then is everyone rushing to level 60 in EQ?

[Cecily]

It's better to be a lv 60 non-raiding casual with a sow sword than it is to be a lv 60 non-raiding casual without one. Besides that, it's better to not be lv 60. Or lv 60 on your alt or lv 60 on your alt's alt.

[thewrush]

Yep, you could be like that schnickasaurus guy and live in EC with 50 mil plat ripping people off and have no life except in a game where you makes lots of money. It's totally the way to be.

[maskedmelon]

I am angry about other people behaving as I do not.

I am fully aware such actions are perpetrated with the sincere intent of slighting me.

End this travesty of my well-founded preconceived notions of how the world ought to work!




ME!

[Swish]

Yep, you could be like that schnickasaurus guy and live in EC with 50 mil plat ripping people off and have no life except in a game where you makes lots of money. It's totally the way to be.

Not a fan of that guy at all - what did he overprice you on?

I like his attempts at giving "guild discounts" and when you look up the price he's offering it to them for, actually it's the going rate according to www.p99auctions.com

[Goliathan]

Not a fan of that guy at all - what did he overprice you on?

I like his attempts at giving "guild discounts" and when you look up the price he's offering it to them for, actually it's the going rate according to www.p99auctions.com

Isn't that exactly what that weird lichx/brawlx guy does and when you disagree he goes off the handle and insults you like crazy?

[Spyder73]

It's not that bad - the FORUMS are the worst of p99. Players on p99 are generally good people (generally being an important caveat).

Forums are the best part of P99 you cuckhold b!tch. FIGHT ME IRL

[iruinedyourday]

It's better to be a lv 60 non-raiding casual with a sow sword than it is to be a lv 60 non-raiding casual without one. Besides that, it's better to not be lv 60. Or lv 60 on your alt or lv 60 on your alt's alt.

level 54 is the sweet spot for red

[arsenalpow]

Forums are the best part of P99 you cuckhold b!tch. FIGHT ME IRL

You've used up your cuck forum allotment for this week. It will reset on Monday.

[Spyder73]

I'll start using "BDA" in place of "Cuck" - i encourage the entire server to do this

[Kevris]

So if the people in the raiding guilds don't like the way it works with the rule lawyering, why don't you all just work out a god damned rotation?

[Cecily]

Whatever gets people to stop using that word.

[Swish]

So if the people in the raiding guilds don't like the way it works with the rule lawyering, why don't you all just work out a god damned rotation?

Because nobody is believing BDA when they say "we're sorry about last time, it won't happen again" lol

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

thufir said it all, frankly. You gotta just enjoy the game world, ultimately. If you play eq for some end game payoff, you are setting yourself up for frustration and disappointment. It's a good goal, but ya gotta also just enjoy...... goofing off in Norrath.

[Fame]

Consider the red server, myself and others have found it to be incredibly fun, mainly because of the community.

[Troubled]

Because nobody is believing BDA when they say "we're sorry about last time, it won't happen again" lol

^obsessed weirdo

[Pokesan]

^obsessed weirdo

^plays on the drug addict server

[Ravager]

^plays on the drug addict server

You'll have to be more specific.

[Kekephee]

^obsessed weirdo

http://i.imgur.com/Gdhoms1.jpg

[arsenalpow]

Because nobody is believing BDA when they say "we're sorry about last time, it won't happen again" lol

Get fucked you weird cunt.

[Swish]

^obsessed weirdo


http://i.imgur.com/Gdhoms1.jpg

^ mad that I'm shitting on their plans to use and abuse another rotation.

It's np guys, you talk about community building but when it comes down to it you don't run any community events and dunk on smaller guilds while playing the numbers game.

It's quite embarrassing the double standards on show.

[Kekephee]

I had this dream when Swish went away that he'd come back more interesting


I guess we all have to wake up sometime

[Doors]

The argument in the guild summit meeting thread about move speed getting to Tormax was enough to turn me off to this game forever. Is the high end community really THAT nitpicky over every single rule and how every single statement written by the staff is worded?


Welcome to blue. The servers more toxic than red and the community more dogshit than anything else I've ever seen on the internet.

I've played end game blue and red and red hands down was/is the better server to play on. Staff just hate on their own server (lol why even pay to host it) so the player base has never been high there.

If you want tormax loot on blue prepare to quit your lob lose your wife/kids and abandon your social life.

[Swish]

Doors is right. A+

[Pokesan]

cool cheerleading post in a thread where you already got BTFO

[Martin]

The only thing more pathetic than a zerg guild dominating the high end on this server is when they finally figure out what a pointless quest they are on, they wake the sleeper and ruin the game for the rest of the server before they bow out.

[Man0warr]

The only thing more pathetic than a zerg guild dominating the high end on this server is when they finally figure out what a pointless quest they are on, they wake the sleeper and ruin the game for the rest of the server before they bow out.

Yeah, Empire is pathetic.

[Herp]

The only thing more pathetic than a zerg guild dominating the high end on this server is when they finally figure out what a pointless quest they are on, they wake the sleeper and ruin the game for the rest of the server before they bow out.

What guild were you in? One guild had 85% of all Sleeper Keys. The other guild had majority of the other 15%, so unless you were in either of those 2 guilds, you are talking out of your ass and would not be killing in Sleepers Tomb for another 10 years at the current rate.

[Martin]

What guild were you in? One guild had 85% of all Sleeper Keys. The other guild had majority of the other 15%, so unless you were in either of those 2 guilds, you are talking out of your ass and would not be killing in Sleepers Tomb for another 10 years at the current rate.

Maybe be a man and just quit the game and let others build up sleepers keys? Instead the leftovers will form a new zerg guild and claim there is skill involved in the high end raiding instead of just patience, time, and the most numbers willing to commit that time.

[Herp]

Maybe be a man and just quit the game and let others build up sleepers keys? Instead the leftovers will form a new zerg guild and claim there is skill involved in the high end raiding instead of just patience, time, and the most numbers willing to commit that time.
I sense hostility in your text.

[Pokesan]

What guild were you in? One guild had 85% of all Sleeper Keys. The other guild had majority of the other 15%, so unless you were in either of those 2 guilds, you are talking out of your ass and would not be killing in Sleepers Tomb for another 10 years at the current rate.

you have 100% of gay autistic posts in this thread

my good chum

[LostCause]

forums are full of the same 10-20 people pretty much don't judge by forums.

that's like watching twitch saying o I don't see this game on there must be dead.

[Lowako]

stuff
raid scene isnt as bad as forums portray. either way its better than playing SoD

[Thulack]

raid scene isn't that bad - gets over blown on the fourms.

There is this imagined image of eighty 30-40 year old men all staring at a computer screen with drool dripping out of the corner of their mouths sh!tting into socks. Its simply not the case.

I mean the drool dripping is the only untrue thing you said in that sentence.

[Hangerbaby]

The best part of P1999 is that it's full of no-lifers who literally play all day long. I periodically log in when working from home and it's crazy to see the same dozen people or so (speaking about red specifically) trash talking call each other no-lifer permavirgins or just spamming up OOC with their PvP threats.

Truly the most entertaining aspect of all this is imagining just exactly how pathetic one's life has to be to be able to put in 40 hour weeks minimum on fuckin P1999

[Tuljin]

glad u made it all the way to lvl 60 before you realized that you're not playing warcraft this game isn't designed to cater to casual players

The problem with this statement is that what the "raid scene" has evolved into ~~~is~~~ accessible to casuals because they have transformed essentially transformed P99 into WoW. This is a direct result of the perennial neckbeard "raid" cabal that for years has dictated what the "raid scene" according to their own terms exactly.

Everybody keeps bringing up exclusivity and barrier of entry when the "raid scene" is discussed. What exactly is the barrier of entry? Time. Time and only time. Well, time and how much bullshit you're willing to put up with from your overlords.

In EQ time is not the sole variable in the barrier of entry for high level play. This is unlike WoW where you never lose XP on death, never have to do a corpse run, and you carrot-on-a-stick your way all the way to 60.

The other EQ variable for high level play? Ability/skill/whatever the neckbeards want to use for the term that describes your competence as an EQ player.

WoW is intentionally designed to carebear everybody to 60. "You get lvl 60, you get lvl 60, you get lvl 60" (cue Oprah meme)

In EQ, ~~~~~level 60 is not guaranteed~~~~~. Yes, it does take a shit load of time to get a toon to 60. However, if you don't make friends with fellow adventurers, learn game mechanics and how to play your class with others, and learn the idiosyncrasies of specific zones and camps, you won't get to 60. If you don't cultivate the necessary knowledge, relationships, and resources to successfully play the high level content of the game (these elements combined are what we call "skill") you will die repeatedly and ~~~~~you will not reach level 60~~~~~.

In WoW, every class can solo, every class can heal, you carrot-on-a-stick your quest log and minimap, and you never lose XP. All getting to 60 takes is time.

Back in 2011/2012 when the VP train wars were happening was really the development of the poopsock system due to the implementation of variance. During this time, there was a stranglehold on Trak Teeth and there was very limited access to VP. TMO and IB were the only guilds with access to VP (and I guess FE too but who the hell can even keep track of the guild "merges" anymore.) What they did to try to one-up each other and maintain their edge is secretly and exclusively run guild AOE groups in Fear and Chardok to crank their alts to park at raid targets.

Back then, there was no steady Chardok AOE machine at all. AOE groups were very irregular and required a good bit of coordination to find enough people available to do them. The knowledge of how to successfully pull the entire zone and kill the mobs back then was quite esoteric and in fact the knowledge was deliberately withheld in order for one guild to maintain their advantage over the other. They were keeping their exploit under tight wraps. (120 mobs at a time is only theoretically "classic")

When the class C/R guild rotation was implemented in the beginning 2014 is when Chardok AOE opened up and became the machine it is today. Everybody wanted to jump into the alt leveling race to maintain an edge. All you needed to do was join a guild that had a steady Chardok presence, or RMT plat to pay for proxies. Or save your plat and proxy your way to 60...like that ever happens...

Essentially what you've done is completely remove the "hardest" part of the game - the grueling path from 55-60. ~This~ is the barrier of entry. Yes it does take a shit load of time, but it also takes not dying and being able to play your way out of a three-mob encounter, something very few players on this server can barely do anymore without a mini-"raid." It also takes your guildmates and friends actively playing together to move the XP bar, not sitting around like a bunch of warmbodies at Chardok waiting for the next pull.

So now what you end up with is not only an easy and fast way to get to 60, you get an easy and fast way to earn obscene amounts of plat with no "skill" required at all, and with that plat you can proxy more alts. Before the AOE machine, generating a lot of plat required a lot of "skill", i.e. having a level 60 toon in the first place and subsequently having the ability and time to successfully kill difficult targets that drop lucrative loot without dying. The real "hardcore" players who had the time and "skill" to do this successfully were the people who could generate said amounts of plat. With Chardok AOE, the "skill" is taken out, and all you're left with is time.

"Hardcore" used to mean time AND "skill." Now, "hardcore" only requires time and no "skill." Essentially, if you're a hardcore WoW player (you have lots of time) you can come over to P99 and be a hardcore EQ player (when really hardcore EQ players need time AND "skill")

The "raid" cabal has essentially lowered the barrier of entry over the years and completely removed the "skill" variable of getting to 60 in EQ, which is a fundamental part of the game design. Essentially, they have turned the endgame into WoW using their own guild specific carrot-on-a-stick quests for DKP as well as removing the big variable of having to be a player that can move the bar to 60 without being carebeared. Get to 55 and we'll take care of the rest so you can warmbody for scraps and we can keep collecting our phats.

Contrary to popular belief, its the warmbodies that make this "style" of play possible, not the pullers and trackers. A zerg could faceroll their way through "raid" trash and kill a dergan easily, however if there is no zerg to train the mob to that mob won't drop. This is a parasitic relationship, not symbiotic, unlike what they have led you to believe.

Add another dimension to the WoW-ification of endgame P99 by the "raid" cabal ------- the designation of "raid useful" toons. On Live, raids were not all level 60, and there weren't 20 Clerics and 20 Rogues. The "raid guilds" consisted of the few players that had both the time and "skill" necessary to get to level 55+, regardless of their class. WoW seriously watered down classes to carebear everybody and make the game "accessible" (easy) What the "raid" guilds have done by designating classes "raid useful" or not is pigeonhole the WoW nubs that have been leaking over the past few years into rolling a certain few classes to trivialize the raid content (consider in 09 at P99 launch WoW was very much in full swing.) The variety and diversity of classes in EQ and how they synergize is a major part of what makes EQ great. WoW watered everything down and it sucks. The new players to this server don't even want to roll non-"raid useful" classes. WoW much?

So what the "raid" cabal has essentially done is -

1. Trivialize the path to 60
2. Trivialize end game content
3. Change the definition of a "hardcore" player to a player that only has lots of time and not necessarily "skill"

Why does the end game suck? Not only because the "raid" cabal is a bunch of insufferable assholes, but because they have flooded this server with a bunch of people that should have never gotten to 60 in the first place and feed into all this bullshit because they know no different. Due to Chardok AOE not only do these players have one level 60, they have multiple. They dont go hunt in any of the deserted Velious zones that actually have great cash drops, they all line up at NToV every weekend.

The "raid" cabal has fucked up this server beyond all recognition, and its been happening for years. Its all their fault.

And guess what? We're all fucked and stuck here sitting and bitching about it while they ~~~~~~~~still collect their phats~~~~~~~~. They've been collecting phats the whole time. Everyone on P99 is getting gamed so fucking hard its laughable.


^ mad that I'm shitting on their plans to use and abuse another rotation.

It's np guys, you talk about community building but when it comes down to it you don't run any community events and dunk on smaller guilds while playing the numbers game.

It's quite embarrassing the double standards on show.

I would say this is quite accurate.

Maybe be a man and just quit the game and let others build up sleepers keys? Instead the leftovers will form a new zerg guild and claim there is skill involved in the high end raiding instead of just patience, time, and the most numbers willing to commit that time.



Not only has the "raid" cabal fucked the way guilds and players operate on this server, they smear shit all over the walls when they leave. A bunch of stand-up guys, really.

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.imgur.com/RUoZ8Mk.jpg

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Join red, experience content and leave this place satisfied.

Notice how the only real quitters are the ones who've seen everything? The eager neckbears are like mr meseeks just trying to help someone so they can end their life.

[Colgate]

wow i hope no one reads that dissertation a few posts above

i hope even more it was a copy/paste good god man

[Tuljin]

wow i hope no one reads that dissertation a few posts above

i hope even more it was a copy/paste good god man

Lol why dontcha jump over to the Raid Discussion thread, that's where the real "good God man" is

I just speak the fucking truth

[zanderklocke]

Was a little long Xoquil, but actually some of your points are somewhat true. However, I think apathy is probably a better way to deal with this server than frustration or anger. At the end of the day, nothing on this server that happens really matters, so it's really not worth getting angry about if you still have a social life and enjoy doing other things outside of the game.

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.imgur.com/42Fmpjs.jpg

[Tuljin]

Was a little long Xoquil, but actually some of your points are somewhat true. However, I think apathy is probably a better way to deal with this server than frustration or anger. At the end of the day, nothing on this server that happens really matters, so it's really not worth getting angry about if you still have a social life and enjoy doing other things outside of the game.

Yeah dude I tried to keep it short but my WoW hypothesis takes a little bit to spin out effectively =)

I definitely exercise apathy in the sense that I log in at night, I play and do my own thing, and I don't participate in the "raid" bullshit of this server. I don't contribute to the activities of any "raid" guild and I don't contribute the exploitation of every single rule as well as the exploitation of nubs just to get pixels. (Unlike the cabal)

I realize some of these people get their kicks from yelling at 100 other nerds in Teamspeak on a "raid," and I never had any interest in taking any part of that. I have a rich social and professional life which is why I can't/don't batphone. I can see why its "fun" for those people, however I've done the whole bite-my-tongue thing for loot and it fucking sucks.

The problem is -too- many people are apathetic, and yet they still bitch.

My message is "well fucking do something about it." If you line up for pixels every week you're part of the problem. If you're not speaking up because you're afraid of the pixel faucet getting turned off you're putting all the power into the cabal's hands and you are part of the problem (RnF gag, for example)

The cabal is why everybody is bitching today. Its not the server staff's fault for implementing variance, its the players' fault for letting it escalate to this point.

If I sound "angry" its because after playing here for 5 years (on and off, not goin' hard like these fucking maniacs) you realize that its just usual suspects and its the same shit, different day. Also, 5 years of the same bullshit morphing and evolving into even worse bullshit, you realize that having any type of reasonable, substantial discussion with any of "these people" is an exercise in futility and they only way to elicit any type of response from "these people" is to fucking bludgeon them with a verbal ball peen hammer.

Escalation is the name of the game here, friends.

I think P99 needs a few little birdies who have been around a while who are capable of calling the cabal on their bullshit. The problem is with all the constant fresh blood to the server "these people" do what they want with impunity because people buy into their bullshit and nobody offers a viable alternative.

This is why the "raid" bullshit has escalated to the meeting that will happen Sunday, which will quite possibly be the biggest summit of no-life idiots and assholes that the Internet has ever seen.

My "dissertation" I wrote is a fucking Curious George book compared to the tomes of EQ law that "these people" have come up with.

I welcome any and all correspondence regarding my thoughts and opinions, unlike the "raid" cabal. They'll just keep blowing hot air and listening to themselves talk and feel important, which has been their game all along and is the fundamental reason why "we all can't get along." They don't want to listen to anyone and they want to keep the loot for their co-conspirators. That mindset has been blatantly expressed on these boards for years.

I can't wait to hear who "takes their ball and goes home" on Sunday. I hope that the GMs spite all of you into the biggest care bear rotation conceivable.

You make the bed you sleep in.

[Pokesan]

PARTY at tuljin house

http://i.imgur.com/MlyOdl1.png

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I think we need to all follow Xoquil's protocol of always putting "raid" in quotation marks. BTW, I guess I should log in and see if a "raid" is happening.

[Knuckle]

Then I read about how every guild needed a bat phone to be competitive. So I'm on the same page: You want to text me at 3am on a work night to wake me up to log onto a game to push some buttons to kill an e-monster to have a 1/60 chance of getting some loot? That doesn't fit into my life and I'm surprised it fits into so many other people's lives.


Its not that many people at all, you already have to be half deranged to install this game in 2016.

[Cecily]

Knuckle, you said you were good at math and that duelist wasn't the best discipline. I am not good at math. Please help.

[Uomanrotyr]

Devs are soon implementing high end content that takes 43 minutes to complete, start to finish, and is triggered by the player so no batphone. Plus, make sure to visit the p99 store for exp potions and other unique items!

A bit off topic, but RnF and all... A lot of people around here love to bash on instances. Having played on live for years and years, both before and after instances, I get it. To an extent.

By no means did it make raiding easier. Just bc content reached a point it was designed to be beat in a specific amount of time didn't mean it would be easier content. For a long time, it was quite the opposite. It required a full 54 man raid force being able to react in an instant and at times even just the slightest falter by any member of the raid would cause a wipe. The problem is they failed to balance risk vs reward after death was no longer a real punishment for failure. You wipe a few times, go farm some easier content to gear up the weaker members of the raid and come back later.

The biggest thing I remember about instances is how they destroyed most of the end-game raiding guilds of the time. Why? Bc, before that point, it had never been about the best group of players being able to engage and beat the hardest content. It was about the biggest collective of people who could pop on at any time of day to prevent other collectives of people from engaging a mob necessary to advance to the next tier of content. Surprise, surprise, this servers raiding seems to consist of many of those people who couldn't cut it post-instanced raiding. Basing your skill as a player around your guilds ability to prevent other people from competing on a level playing field is pathetic. Instances proved that.

I'm not saying the raid scene on live is in a good place. When they literally started copy/pasting group instances and scaling them for 54 people and calling them raids, that was just pathetic. And not even that. It was scaled up group instances designed for 6-12 engaged players and a bunch of auto-attack bots when I finally quit.

The last thing I'll say about instances is this; they slowly eroded the social aspect of the game. Primarily grouping. There was a lot of good that came with them, but the way they were implemented forced people to create a bot army to farm them. Here, you might miss out on a named drop. There will still be even just a 2-6% chance he'll spawn and drop it again at any point in the next few cycles. With instances, you could be locked out for a day or more bc... reasons. So it literally awarded boxing while punishing people who couldn't box for any number of reasons.

As far as the community here, I'd say that the % of dbags is roughly the same as any other online community. That said, this server has more active players online at its low times than live servers do at their peak times. So while the % is probably the same, you have to deal w/ more of those people simply bc there are more people. There is also a lot loss content, so competition is exponentially higher.

[Phantasm]

What the fuck happened to wittyy, tongue in cheek sentences? Who the fuck invited the novelists?

Name your point, make fun of someone else, and move on!

Example - EQ sucks. Swish has finally been diagnosed with diabetes and started to roll down hills to lose weight. Have nice day

[Xaanka]

Yeah dude I tried to keep it short but my WoW hypothesis takes a little bit to spin out effectively =)

I definitely exercise apathy in the sense that I log in at night, I play and do my own thing, and I don't participate in the "raid" bullshit of this server. I don't contribute to the activities of any "raid" guild and I don't contribute the exploitation of every single rule as well as the exploitation of nubs just to get pixels. (Unlike the cabal)

I realize some of these people get their kicks from yelling at 100 other nerds in Teamspeak on a "raid," and I never had any interest in taking any part of that. I have a rich social and professional life which is why I can't/don't batphone. I can see why its "fun" for those people, however I've done the whole bite-my-tongue thing for loot and it fucking sucks.

The problem is -too- many people are apathetic, and yet they still bitch.

My message is "well fucking do something about it." If you line up for pixels every week you're part of the problem. If you're not speaking up because you're afraid of the pixel faucet getting turned off you're putting all the power into the cabal's hands and you are part of the problem (RnF gag, for example)

The cabal is why everybody is bitching today. Its not the server staff's fault for implementing variance, its the players' fault for letting it escalate to this point.

If I sound "angry" its because after playing here for 5 years (on and off, not goin' hard like these fucking maniacs) you realize that its just usual suspects and its the same shit, different day. Also, 5 years of the same bullshit morphing and evolving into even worse bullshit, you realize that having any type of reasonable, substantial discussion with any of "these people" is an exercise in futility and they only way to elicit any type of response from "these people" is to fucking bludgeon them with a verbal ball peen hammer.

Escalation is the name of the game here, friends.

I think P99 needs a few little birdies who have been around a while who are capable of calling the cabal on their bullshit. The problem is with all the constant fresh blood to the server "these people" do what they want with impunity because people buy into their bullshit and nobody offers a viable alternative.

This is why the "raid" bullshit has escalated to the meeting that will happen Sunday, which will quite possibly be the biggest summit of no-life idiots and assholes that the Internet has ever seen.

My "dissertation" I wrote is a fucking Curious George book compared to the tomes of EQ law that "these people" have come up with.

I welcome any and all correspondence regarding my thoughts and opinions, unlike the "raid" cabal. They'll just keep blowing hot air and listening to themselves talk and feel important, which has been their game all along and is the fundamental reason why "we all can't get along." They don't want to listen to anyone and they want to keep the loot for their co-conspirators. That mindset has been blatantly expressed on these boards for years.

I can't wait to hear who "takes their ball and goes home" on Sunday. I hope that the GMs spite all of you into the biggest care bear rotation conceivable.

You make the bed you sleep in.

A bit off topic, but RnF and all... A lot of people around here love to bash on instances. Having played on live for years and years, both before and after instances, I get it. To an extent.

By no means did it make raiding easier. Just bc content reached a point it was designed to be beat in a specific amount of time didn't mean it would be easier content. For a long time, it was quite the opposite. It required a full 54 man raid force being able to react in an instant and at times even just the slightest falter by any member of the raid would cause a wipe. The problem is they failed to balance risk vs reward after death was no longer a real punishment for failure. You wipe a few times, go farm some easier content to gear up the weaker members of the raid and come back later.

The biggest thing I remember about instances is how they destroyed most of the end-game raiding guilds of the time. Why? Bc, before that point, it had never been about the best group of players being able to engage and beat the hardest content. It was about the biggest collective of people who could pop on at any time of day to prevent other collectives of people from engaging a mob necessary to advance to the next tier of content. Surprise, surprise, this servers raiding seems to consist of many of those people who couldn't cut it post-instanced raiding. Basing your skill as a player around your guilds ability to prevent other people from competing on a level playing field is pathetic. Instances proved that.

I'm not saying the raid scene on live is in a good place. When they literally started copy/pasting group instances and scaling them for 54 people and calling them raids, that was just pathetic. And not even that. It was scaled up group instances designed for 6-12 engaged players and a bunch of auto-attack bots when I finally quit.

The last thing I'll say about instances is this; they slowly eroded the social aspect of the game. Primarily grouping. There was a lot of good that came with them, but the way they were implemented forced people to create a bot army to farm them. Here, you might miss out on a named drop. There will still be even just a 2-6% chance he'll spawn and drop it again at any point in the next few cycles. With instances, you could be locked out for a day or more bc... reasons. So it literally awarded boxing while punishing people who couldn't box for any number of reasons.

As far as the community here, I'd say that the % of dbags is roughly the same as any other online community. That said, this server has more active players online at its low times than live servers do at their peak times. So while the % is probably the same, you have to deal w/ more of those people simply bc there are more people. There is also a lot loss content, so competition is exponentially higher.

does anyone even read these posts?

[Swish]

What the fuck happened to wittyy, tongue in cheek sentences? Who the fuck invited the novelists?

Name your point, make fun of someone else, and move on!

Example - EQ sucks. Swish has finally been diagnosed with diabetes and started to roll down hills to lose weight. Have nice day

Vetus ~ Tyrs ~ Draoi ~ Audios
<Bregan D'Aerth>

Was that a "please Loot Council notice me, i want some pixels" post?

[Cecily]

Sick burn on Swish, bra. Heads up! *throws him an AoN*

[Troubled]

Was that a "please Loot Council notice me, i want some pixels" post?

^creepy stalker weirdo

[Phantasm]

Actually when my name is discussed for items I am temporarily removed from guild and berated in vent for being so stupid

[Swish]

^creepy stalker weirdo

"Troubled"

[Morgander]

Wait, you're judging the server based on rants and flames?

Wat.

[Troubled]

"Troubled"
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230743

[Swish]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230743

https://www.project1999.com/forums/member.php?u=108039 :o

[Troubled]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/member.php?u=108039 :o

Use your words.

[Kaziel]

So what the "raid" cabal has essentially done is -

1. Trivialize the path to 60


I don't really have any interest in doing 55-60 in Chardok so it's certainly not everyone that takes that route.

[burkemi5]

Good thread to bump.

[Mistle]

What are you guys even competing so hard for? Those same monsters are going to spawn -forever- and future progression is pretty uncertain. You're literally just rushing to min maxing a character so you can look at some slightly bigger numbers in your stats screen and you're killing the enjoyment of the game for a ton of people.

I don't play here really so I guess my word is pretty much crap to all of you and I expect a pretty unfriendly response, but from the outside looking in - how the hell do people play this game?

There are a few people on this server, like Maner, who say that "EQ is life" and believe that it was actually intended to be competitive, despite all evidence to the contrary. I can only assume they failed at every other ACTUALLY competitive activity or game in their lives and have fallen back to this one, which rewards either having utterly no life to the point of sitting still and watching a door open sixteen straight hours a day, or mooch off of those who do while being nothing more than a warm body required to fulfill the dps or heal numbers required.

Believe me, there are a LOT of people out there either experienced or familiar with P99 who look at the people you are referring to and just shake their heads. There is a depth of neckbeardery that no words can sufficiently describe.

[JurisDictum]

I don't really have any interest in doing 55-60 in Chardok so it's certainly not everyone that takes that route.

The truth is it is rare for someone to level there first character in Chardok. It's usually only those that have a good amount of platinum and played the server for years. I've only Chardok'd for money myself, and once when I was raiding a lot and working a lot and didn't have time to beef my mains' exp.

Unless you plan on paying a 200k (which takes most people months to farm), you need to a certain class at a level in the mid-late 50s (1 cleric being the exception). Chardok are one of those things not intended by Variant that people love to bash, but the impact on this server is less than you might think. It tends to concentrate in high turn-over populations (hence, they were too impatient to level normally).

[korilla]

http://i.imgur.com/RUoZ8Mk.jpg

my mom watches these old korean flicks.

[EQBallzz]

I'm new to P99 but played EQ back when it released. Can someone explain what the crux of this argument is about? I read this whole thread and nothing described sounded really any different than EQ was back in the day.

A handful of guilds dominated the choice raid spawns/dungeons. People had alts parked and continuously scouted for spawns and engaged in forum espionage and such to get the jump on guilds (when mobs died, when guilds might be assembling to do Vex Thal or whatever).

The whole batphone thing was SOP but whether it was mandatory that you participated depended on guild. We were a "casual" guild (casual then was raiding 4-5 nights per week) and still used the whole batphone technique to try and take advantage of spawns in off-hours but couldn't always assemble enough people.

I really don't get the Chardok reference. I remember that being a choice spot to grind because a well geared/skilled group with a good puller could pull huge numbers of mobs and AE them down continuously. I never recall that ever being looked down on or considered any sort of exploit (or maybe I'm not understanding what is being described here).

I only just started playing around on this server so none of this is that relevant to me as a lowbie but I was just curious. Based on this thread alone it *seems* the classic EQ experience has been pretty accurately achieved. lol. GMs almost never interfered with guild squabbles or disputes. Everything was hashed out on the forums in high drama fashion in a rant forum called "The Shit List" much like this one. As far as the classic EQ experience goes this all seems par for the course. :D

[Spyder73]

I really don't get the Chardok reference. I remember that being a choice spot to grind because a well geared/skilled group with a good puller could pull huge numbers of mobs and AE them down continuously. I never recall that ever being looked down on or considered any sort of exploit (or maybe I'm not understanding what is being described here).

On P99, the entire zone of Chardok is pulled in 1 pull and AoE’d down. The standard procedure is to assemble a group of wizards/enchanters/clerics and have the wizards outside of group AoE the shit down to low life and then gate out of the zone. At this point the “inside DPS” wizard will finish the mobs off and get XP for every single mob. The entire time chanters are stun locking the zerg of mobs and the cleric uses divine aura and heal agro to get the mobs grouped up properly.

The problem is that these guys sell “proxy” spots (where you just sit in group and leech XP…you pay a premium platinum price for this)…So you can imagine that continuously pulling the entire zone every 20 minutes and selling group spots for 2k per pull equals a lot of levels and money changing hands. It’s a RMT cesspool and it has made it where people can level from 50-60 in one weekend (NOT CLASSIC). heaven forbid if a Monk needs to go camp the Pipe for his epic - you must buy for 3k from some Wizard sh!tlord who has the zone on lock down or sit and patiently wait for one to drop and then buy it.

Classic Charok AoE is killing like 10-20 mobs at once, not 200

[khanable]

On P99, the entire zone of Chardok is pulled in 1 pull and AoE’d down. The standard procedure is to assemble a group of wizards/enchanters/clerics and have the wizards outside of group AoE the shit down to low life and then gate out of the zone. At this point the “inside DPS” wizard will finish the mobs off and get XP for every single mob. The entire time chanters are stun locking the zerg of mobs and the cleric uses divine aura and heal agro to get the mobs grouped up properly.

The problem is that these guys sell “proxy” spots (where you just sit in group and leech XP…you pay a premium platinum price for this)…So you can imagine that continuously pulling the entire zone every 20 minutes and selling group spots for 2k per pull equals a lot of levels and money changing hands. It’s a RMT cesspool and it has made it where people can level from 50-60 in one weekend (NOT CLASSIC). heaven forbid if a Monk needs to go camp the Pipe for his epic - you must buy for 3k from some Wizard sh!tlord who has the zone on lock down or sit and patiently wait for one to drop and then buy it.

Classic Charok AoE is killing like 10-20 mobs at once, not 200

Chardok straight up ruined this server

[Trungep99]

regarding the batphone: many people have mute settings on for when they do not want it to wake them up or for work hours. most high end raiding guilds wont mind if you choose to sleep at night like most people do. It just means you will miss a kill. No raiding guild expects everyone to be awake 24/7. but those who happen to be available are prepared to raid. I'm in Aftermath and i cannot attend all the raids, it is not expected for everyone to make 100% of the raids, heck i usually dont make 50%.

but you have a point about the arguments over the raiding rules. people will fight over them because there is wiggle room and some people wont have a productive conversation with other people.

[Raev]

Chardok straight up ruined this server

Well, I don't think it RUINED the server but it's definitely been one of the worst parts that has contributed to the massive overcrowding / alt armies at the high end.

[EQBallzz]

On P99, the entire zone of Chardok is pulled in 1 pull and AoE’d down. The standard procedure is to assemble a group of wizards/enchanters/clerics and have the wizards outside of group AoE the shit down to low life and then gate out of the zone. At this point the “inside DPS” wizard will finish the mobs off and get XP for every single mob. The entire time chanters are stun locking the zerg of mobs and the cleric uses divine aura and heal agro to get the mobs grouped up properly.

The problem is that these guys sell “proxy” spots (where you just sit in group and leech XP…you pay a premium platinum price for this)…So you can imagine that continuously pulling the entire zone every 20 minutes and selling group spots for 2k per pull equals a lot of levels and money changing hands. It’s a RMT cesspool and it has made it where people can level from 50-60 in one weekend (NOT CLASSIC). heaven forbid if a Monk needs to go camp the Pipe for his epic - you must buy for 3k from some Wizard sh!tlord who has the zone on lock down or sit and patiently wait for one to drop and then buy it.

Classic Charok AoE is killing like 10-20 mobs at once, not 200

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I understand now. When we did it we might have up to 50 mobs at any one time but certainly not the entire zone and nobody ported out or anything. It was just a monk rounding up huge groups and bringing them to group to kill. By the time we killed that group the monk would have another group so it was constant killing.

Has there been any public comments from P99 indicating if they approve of this behavior or if they might take any action at some point? How long has that been going on? I must say that sounds a bit disappointing to hear if it's allowed to just go unchecked.

[Spyder73]

sounds a bit disappointing to hear if it's allowed to just go unchecked.

The staff is fully aware of what's going on and gives 0 shits.

Only the wealthy of P99 can afford proxy though, so its not really in play for new players and doesn't typically ruin the "first" play through. It is essentially an alt leveling puppy mill.

I will admit I burned through all of level 59 buying proxys - thats how I know this process is not how EQ was intended to be played

[EQBallzz]

So I been wondering about this since my last post. Does this activity happen constantly? Is Chardok completely off-limits for a group to XP in or does it just happen from time to time? I will be sad if I can't ever XP in Chardok with a regular group due to this disruption because that was one of my favorite dungeons in EQ. Are there other dungeons this happens in as well like Seb or is this confined to Chardok?

[Kileras]

if you wanna take a exp group in there go ahead, they will have to shut down chardok AoE if you go park a group in their path.