Raid Rules Summit Thread

[Herp]

http://i.imgur.com/LRvIngF.jpg


Sunday April 3rd at 2pm EST there will be a discussion regarding Raid Rules because they are severely out of date


What raid rules would YOU like to see changed?
How can your guild get more loot?

[Oleris]

quake it once a week

[Swish]

Don't let BDA run (then ruin) another rotation.

Take out duck cancel for classic.

[Freakish]

Deletion of raid discussion forum. Look at them bickering in there like children.

[Gimp]

whose dick has to be fondled for quakes to come back?

[Spyder73]

BDA to be disbanded and characters transferred to Red99

[Gimp]

but seriously, script in like a 10-14 day variance sim repop quake, make all kael shit fte races with a cap of 8ish per guild, and 90% of the problems go away.

i'm still not entirely sure how to make ntov more enjoyable, but i'd take anything over coth mage bullshit at this point.

[arsenalpow]

but seriously, script in like a 10-14 day variance sim repop quake, make all kael shit fte races with a cap of 8ish per guild, and 90% of the problems go away.

i'm still not entirely sure how to make ntov more enjoyable, but i'd take anything over coth mage bullshit at this point.

NToV foot races would be hilarious. Death everywhere.

[Skew]

16 hour variance on a weekly rumble repop. No single mob repops.
Would actually be more classic than what we have currently with 16 hour variance per mob (had regular server maintenance back then)

[Ella`Ella]

Get rid of variance and all these bullshit rules and let a single guild emerge the victor and run this server like intended. This server isn't meant to support multiple high end guilds - we're artificially trying to sustain a multi-guild environment that isn't supposed to exist and that's why we've had these problems for almost a decade now...

[Herp]

Getting rid of all variance would result in triceratops size poopsocks. Aint gonna happen.

I like +-4 hours

[Cecily]

The number of people socking a mob is inversely proportionate to the length of variance.
Asking for a short variance is almost the same as asking for no variance. It's just stupidity.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Leash them. Leash the dragons. Coth recast time 15 minutes. Nerf bards till they are basically rangers who can whistle and their weight increases to 5000 if they get aggro. Swap out current fail formula for FD and replace it with the fail formula for lull spells.

El solvo.

[Pokesan]

The number of people socking a mob is inversely proportionate to the length of variance.
Asking for a short variance is almost the same as asking for no variance. It's just stupidity.

What version of radiance would correctly punish someone the most for socking?

I don't really do the raid thing so I could be overlooking something obvious but the always-in-window idea seemed delightful.

[Pokesan]

Variance*

I know none of these nerds can handle radiance of any variety but especially sunlight.

[maskedmelon]

Set variance equal to respawn time. 5 day respawn, 5 day variance. Have fun with the sock.

[burkemi5]

Completely pull the plug on the entire "project" with no warning. Sit and laugh as the masses cry over years of wasted time.

[Cecily]

What version of variance would correctly punish someone the most for socking?

I don't really do the raid thing so I could be overlooking something obvious but the always-in-window idea seemed delightful.

The 96 hour timers with the later added extended variance would work marvelously. Extended variance, I don't remember the exact numbers, had a chance in bottom hour of a window to add either 8 hours or a day or something to the window. Pretty sure that could happen multiple times. Oh how we would laugh at Forceful Entry with 10+ for an entire week, only for it to go into extended and our single tracker would snatch the FTE from the anyway.

Extended variance, long spawn timers don't prevent tracking. They do encourage less people camping a single spawn in game. Less loot / immediate gratification, but far more relaxed and unlikely to burn your entire guild out.

[Pokesan]

extended is different than beginning the tracking window immediately

would you sickos actually track a target for 10-14 days?

[Pokesan]

I just want raiders to suffer as much as possible

[Cecily]

I just want raiders to suffer as much as possible

Possible 5am raid calls every day. None of this dragon pixel binge for 24 hours every Sunday crap like we have now. Just doesn't seem healthy.

[Kaezyr D`Shiv]

...Nerf bards till they are basically rangers who can whistle...

This right here is a gem of a comment. I can't stop periodically chuckling about it

[Herp]

Most of us come from classic servers with GM enforced rotations. 1 guild getting over 90% of available raid targets in the entire game was never intended and never allowed on live and it's absurd that it was ever allowed here. We aren't going back kkthx.

Waaaaaat? I thought rotations were agreed upon by the server, and some servers did have monopolies. Whats this GM enforcement u speak of?

[radditsu]

Sa Da Tay

[FatMice]

Sine your pitty on the runny kine.

[Gorillas]

Delete all the toons for the no lifers ruining the server. If you've been playing here for more than a couple years, it's time to move on with your life

[ArumTP]

RIP 2 guild monopoly on all important targets. Inc rules to allow lesser guilds to get their foot in the door. Pras all around.

P.S. Unbrella go fuck yourself. We had a 1 guild monopoly on raids in the past and it blew. Most of us come from classic servers with GM enforced rotations. 1 guild getting over 90% of available raid targets in the entire game was never intended and never allowed on live and it's absurd that it was ever allowed here. We aren't going back kkthx.

You already have gotten your foot in the door. You got 2 klands and cenkenar. Aim higher, a yelinak encounter plays out just the same a trakanon why not try this?

[bktroost]

You already have gotten your foot in the door. You got 2 klands and cenkenar. Aim higher, a yelinak encounter plays out just the same a trakanon why not try this?

4 Kland kills and a Cekenar. Why not Yelinak? We tried CT last monday AM too, but you can only do so much and stay casual right? EQ is about more than raiding and life is about more than EQ.

We have faaaar less bandwith than current raid guilds. I tell ya, if you opened NToV to us and said "take what you think is fair" we'd probably kill one of those and a ST mob from somewhere each week and call it good.

^--- that's why we arn't hardcore.

[arsenalpow]

NToV footrace for FTE (http://i.imgur.com/yDfKIH2.gifv)

[Tupakk]

NToV footrace for FTE (http://i.imgur.com/yDfKIH2.gifv)

To funny, lol

[Juevento]

Does fte even need to be a thing? I feel like that's the biggest problem with raiding. If there were a different option for determining kill rights to a dragon other than the person who stooped the lowest to get yellow text, that might make things a little easier to manage.

Also why do dragons have to die the instant they spawn?

[Cecily]

So we can kill them again faster. It's honestly pretty sick.

[Ravager]

Remove all raid content. Drop the level cap to 30. Wipe it clean.

[burkemi5]

Remove all raid content. Drop the level cap to 30. Wipe it clean.

[Swish]

Does fte even need to be a thing? I feel like that's the biggest problem with raiding. If there were a different option for determining kill rights to a dragon other than the person who stooped the lowest to get yellow text, that might make things a little easier to manage.

Also why do dragons have to die the instant they spawn?

Can my guild's 12 wizards beat your guild's 11 wizards in a dps contest? Sounds like a great way to raid eh? BDA thinking it through as always.

[Oleris]

It's not hard guys. Supply and demand. Limited supply and high demand. Those that are willing to pay the most with their time (tracking, waking up at 3 am etc) are getting the loot. Increase the supply (quakes, lower variance, lower spawn times) and there will be more pixels to go around and.

[Star]

I honestly can believe people are still playing Velious

[Sodors Finest Poster]

I honestly can believe people are still playing Velious

http://i.imgur.com/OtBmGYw.jpg

[Juevento]

Can my guild's 12 wizards beat your guild's 11 wizards in a dps contest? Sounds like a great way to raid eh? BDA thinking it through as always.

That's not quite what I was thinking. Closer examination of my post hopefully will show you that I said determine kill rights for a dragon, not kill steal groups. But good job by you beating that dead horse.

[arsenalpow]

That's not quite what I was thinking. Closer examination of my post hopefully will show you that I said determine kill rights for a dragon, not kill steal groups. But good job by you beating that dead horse.

Why would it be groups of 11 and 12 anyways? That doesn't even make sense.

[Spyder73]

Why would it be groups of 11 and 12 anyways? That doesn't even make sense.

I think his point is that DPS races are not the answer on this server, it would devlolve into a sh!t show immediately. BDA leadership once again showing a lack of cognizance and bogging down on irrelevant details.

[arsenalpow]

I think his point is that DPS races are not the answer on this server, it would devlolve into a sh!t show immediately. BDA leadership once again showing a lack of cognizance and bogging down on irrelevant details.

And yet at no point did anyone from BDA say a DPS race was the answer. Reading comprehension equivalent to p99 warmbody raiding.

[kilmoll]

Half the problem with this raid scene is the bypassing of most zone trash by using things that were pure exploits on Live, or using CotH races which is pure gayness. On real servers, the rules were first in force. We had GM's imported to Veeshan to make sure the peace was kept and to keep everyone playing by the rules. The way people gimp the content here is just pure utter shit.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

And yet at no point did anyone from BDA say a DPS race was the answer. Reading comprehension equivalent to p99 warmbody raiding.

Thanks for ruining server literacy, BDA.

[Juevento]

Thanks for ruining server literacy, BDA.

Your comma is wrong bro.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Half the problem with this raid scene is the bypassing of most zone trash by using things that were pure exploits on Live, or using CotH races which is pure gayness. On real servers, the rules were first in force. We had GM's imported to Veeshan to make sure the peace was kept and to keep everyone playing by the rules. The way people gimp the content here is just pure utter shit.

this

[Pokesan]

Your comma is wrong bro.

Don't be bossy. Let the reader decide.

[derpcake]

i'd like to see red wiped next weekend

wipe blue in two weeks, without announcement

this is in the best interest of both servers, while also ensuring great FQ ahead

thx for consideration

[derpcake]

if you need reasons to wipe blue you haven't read this thread, obviously

[thufir]

Half the problem with this raid scene is the bypassing of most zone trash by using things that were pure exploits on Live, or using CotH races which is pure gayness. On real servers, the rules were first in force. We had GM's imported to Veeshan to make sure the peace was kept and to keep everyone playing by the rules. The way people gimp the content here is just pure utter shit.
this is a large part of why the top end raid scene has absolutely no interest to me here. I didn't mind raiding on Live but nothing about how the current scene is described strikes me as fun or even healthy. I dream of the day when ntov mobs get permarooted.

[Aesop]

<Tempest> from red will be joining this to discuss with themselves what the new raiding scene on red looks like for themselves.

[Man0warr]

Training is the preferred method because the GMs made FTE king. Everything that's happened to the raid scene is because of FTE being more important and not wanting to get leap frogged.

[Ravager]

The way people gimp the content here is just pure utter shit.

[Wabic]

Can my guild's 12 wizards beat your guild's 11 wizards in a dps contest? Sounds like a great way to raid eh? BDA thinking it through as always.

Actually, that does seem like an improvement.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

I'm here for the trains.

[beyondinfin]

You people, sheeeeeesh! Apparently shame is not an issue here.

[Legday]

nothing about how the current scene is described strikes me as fun or even healthy.

It is fun.

It is not healthy.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I'm here for the trains.

Same here! I joined the server because I heard at the high end, it is all about sitting around watching monks and bards. Glorious!

Now excuse me, I just finished painting a room and it is almost dry, and I don't want to miss it.

[thufir]

It is fun.

It is not healthy.

Same here! I joined the server because I heard at the high end, it is all about sitting around watching monks and bards. Glorious!

Now excuse me, I just finished painting a room and it is almost dry, and I don't want to miss it.

I guess some people are having fun. I suspect those people are part of the pull team, and everyone else just plays Firepot Bingo and activates themselves when yelled at.

[pod1992]

Get rid of yellow text, and DPS race.... Also make VP and ToV Non CSR Zones. The strong will survive.

[ArumTP]

Half the problem with this raid scene is the bypassing of most zone trash by using things that were pure exploits on Live, or using CotH races which is pure gayness. On real servers, the rules were first in force. We had GM's imported to Veeshan to make sure the peace was kept and to keep everyone playing by the rules. The way people gimp the content here is just pure utter shit.

Pulling a train that includes a named , and then pulling a named out of the train, and training other mobs away that would be in the way of the named. That is all that is going on here. These principles can be used anywhere in the game, and I'm certain has even been applied in KC, as someone takes on too many mobs, zones, and someone ganks out some choice juicy mobs as they path by. This is not an exploit, people that don't play that way find it unnerving to see northwing mobs in the entrance being fought.

Coth races exists to secure this method the fastest and ensure FTE, which secures rights to the mob.

As per the first in force nonsense, why do people insist "well this is how it was on live servers" nonsense. There were maybe like 40 servers at everquests peak. Not everyone had the same type of GM policing, server rotations, and raid scene. That being your reason for why things should be a certain way is no more vaild than the way things operate in the current.

Training is the preferred method because the GMs made FTE king. Everything that's happened to the raid scene is because of FTE being more important and not wanting to get leap frogged.

This is true, whomever kills the trash looses the raid target. Everyone likes to wag their finger at what goes on in TOV/kael as being the big problem; however nobody utters a word how absolutely nobody clears all the way to trakanon, VS, or VP dragons.

[thufir]

This is true, whomever kills the trash looses the raid target. Everyone likes to wag their finger at what goes on in TOV/kael as being the big problem; however nobody utters a word how absolutely nobody clears all the way to trakanon, VS, or VP dragons.
Trak and VS usually have dungeon groups killing the things in the way; it was this way on Live as well during this era. VS in particular is in KC, a zone that is usually more or less clear to VS's room. And after you cleared out the juggs and Tolapumj that was really it for the Trak clear.

With VP I read a ton of complaints about it during the Kunark era of p99. Many words were indeed uttered. The only reason why they are not uttered any more, I imagine, is because the people who would have been competing for VP targets have more or less moved on to ToV.

[Xaanka]

http://i.imgur.com/LRvIngF.jpg


Sunday April 3rd at 2pm EST there will be a discussion regarding Raid Rules because they are severely out of date


What raid rules would YOU like to see changed?
How can your guild get more loot?

consider red

[Lune]

The time has come for the Second Council of Sirken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KELnaC10yU)

[Whirled]

The time has come for the Second Council of Sirken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KELnaC10yU)

/applaud
Would buy drinks for any who made this^

[Man0warr]

With VP I read a ton of complaints about it during the Kunark era of p99. Many words were indeed uttered. The only reason why they are not uttered any more, I imagine, is because the people who would have been competing for VP targets have more or less moved on to ToV.

VP is different. Killing the trash is actively a bad decision because it respawns quickly and and/or trash spawns more mobs on death.

[Phantasm]

Starting VP group to fuck over BDA and anyone else who still gives a shit about VP

I mean,

whoops ?

[maskedmelon]

i'd like to see red wiped next weekend

wipe blue in two weeks, without announcement

this is in the best interest of both servers, while also ensuring great FQ ahead

thx for consideration

This is a good proposal. I second it, though I am immensely enjoying myself at the moment.

[Cecily]

Starting VP group to fuck over BDA and anyone else who still gives a shit about VP

I mean,

whoops ?

Hammering and on my way!

[ghakim]

The time has come for the Second Council of Sirken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KELnaC10yU)

ROFL

[Doors]

Just dropping by to say Freezi is always mad/bad/sad in every thread he posts in.

Go outside kid.

[Merekai]

Perma root the named NToV spawns already. I have just as much desire to have the best pixels available but the shit that goes on there disgusts me more than said desire. Clean it up.

Chev

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The time has come for the Second Council of Sirken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KELnaC10yU)

pure win

[Cecily]

I don't see why a non-classic problem can't have a non-classic solution.
http://i.imgur.com/gHXMJ09.jpg

[radda]

Completely pull the plug on the entire "project" with no warning. Sit and laugh as the masses cry over years of wasted time.

what is wrong with you?
leet my ass

[Comoc1]

All you casuals who think everyone should step back and let you stroll in to the end game are basically walking burlap sacks full of shit.

[Pokesan]

All you casuals who think everyone should step back and let you stroll in to the end game are basically walking burlap sacks full of shit.

how bout i fart in your mouth you uppity bitch

[Comoc1]

how bout i fart in your mouth you uppity bitch

You'd still be a burlap sack full of shit. Farting simply confirms this.

[Pokesan]

the bargain is struck

[Gorillas]

All you casuals who think everyone should step back and let you stroll in to the end game are basically walking burlap sacks full of shit.

You have to be a stationary bag of shit to raid on this server

[Cecily]

I'm pretty casual and I could stroll into the end game literally whenever I wanted. So could anyone else. If raid guilds are good for one thing, it's constantly burning out their players.

[Gorillas]

I'm pretty casual and I could stroll into the end game literally whenever I wanted. So could anyone else. If raid guilds are good for one thing, it's constantly burning out their players.

Your forum account is 4 years old with 2,500+ posts. You aren't casual anything

[Swish]

Your forum account is 4 years old with 2,500+ posts. You aren't casual anything

She's casual :o

[Cecily]

I'm in TMO lol.

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm in TMO lol.

no u aren't tmo is ded

[AzzarTheGod]

You have to be a bag of shit to raid on this server

fixed.

[Cecily]

You filthy casuals. It's:

You have to have a bag of shit to raid on this server

[Danth]

I'm in TMO lol.
no u aren't tmo is ded

For what it's worth I saw Cecily just a few days ago wearing <The Mystical Order> beside his name. He said there's a few other folks who never dropped that tag, too. I also occasionally see other tags from near-defunct guilds running around now and then, like the occasional A-Team tag.

Wonder what came of the rules summit? Haven't seen any real discussion yet.

Danth

[Man0warr]

Because nothing productive happened.

[Pokesan]

Because nothing productive happened.

Were you on the call? Please post the highlights or tell whoever was to do so! :)

[Expediency]

The time has come for the Second Council of Sirken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KELnaC10yU)

[arsenalpow]

Were you on the call? Please post the highlights or tell whoever was to do so! :)

About 6 hours of talks, nothing came from it.

Source: I was there.

[Swish]

6 hours

6 hours

6 hours

6 hours

6 hours

http://i.imgur.com/GBh8ONH.gif





















nothing came from it.



http://i.imgur.com/oVficIg.gif

[waffel]

"Mom I can't come to dinner we're talking about RAID RULES! GAWD!"

[Pokesan]

six.

hours.

internet dragons.

[ArumTP]

TL/DR

Casuals wanted into ntov, but don't want to engage the way its currently done. Casuals didn't like the idea of training away, and want to leverage the raiding guilds into a dungeon crawl after establishing FTE in ntov. Casuals don't like the idea of constantly wanting to run fraps to catch wrongdoing. Casuals kept wanting to bring back rotations. Casuals wanted 10 day blanket raid suspensions for raid related infractions. Their claims it wasn't about the loot, but to experience of ntov. Their words more spoke of trying to get GM intervention to leverage themselves into ntov.

6 hours nothing changed.

[Ella`Ella]

Casuals are the millenials of P99 - over entitled and under deserving. If you want to be guaranteed pixels get, the fuck off my beloved raid scene and go play WoW.

[Pokesan]

Casuals are the millenials of P99 - over entitled and under deserving. If you want to be guaranteed pixels get, the fuck off my beloved raid scene and go play WoW.

you are the worst

[Pokesan]

TL/DR

Casuals wanted into ntov, but don't want to engage the way its currently done. Casuals didn't like the idea of training away, and want to leverage the raiding guilds into a dungeon crawl after establishing FTE in ntov. Casuals don't like the idea of constantly wanting to run fraps to catch wrongdoing. Casuals kept wanting to bring back rotations. Casuals wanted 10 day blanket raid suspensions for raid related infractions. Their claims it wasn't about the loot, but to experience of ntov. Their words more spoke of trying to get GM intervention to leverage themselves into ntov.

6 hours nothing changed.

one of these things is somehow more pathetic than the others! :cool:

[Cecily]

TL/DR

Casuals wanted into ntov, but don't want to engage the way its currently done. Casuals didn't like the idea of training away, and want to leverage the raiding guilds into a dungeon crawl after establishing FTE in ntov. Casuals don't like the idea of constantly wanting to run fraps to catch wrongdoing. Casuals kept wanting to bring back rotations. Casuals wanted 10 day blanket raid suspensions for raid related infractions. Their claims it wasn't about the loot, but to experience of ntov. Their words more spoke of trying to get GM intervention to leverage themselves into ntov.

6 hours nothing changed.

Oh god it feels good to not care about any of this. I am looking forward to Lord of the Pixels 3 though. Think that's one Chest chews off Detoxx's finger and jumps into a volcano.

[AzzarTheGod]

For what it's worth I saw Cecily just a few days ago wearing <The Mystical Order> beside his name. He said there's a few other folks who never dropped that tag, too. I also occasionally see other tags from near-defunct guilds running around now and then, like the occasional A-Team tag.

Wonder what came of the rules summit? Haven't seen any real discussion yet.

Danth

Very interesting.

I guess Tigole (supreme elected leader of TMO) and the boys are on their way back and Cecily is just waiting on them!

[AzzarTheGod]

About 6 hours of talks, nothing came from it.

Source: I was there.

chestpal any tldr cliffs of how 6 hours of talks came to nothing?

[Man0warr]

Because GMs/Devs don't REALLY want to change anything meaningful (more earthquakes, changing variance, harsher penalties that would force trainquest to change) and Aftermath don't want to sacrifice any mobs.

[AzzarTheGod]

Because GMs/Devs don't REALLY want to change anything meaningful (more earthquakes, changing variance, harsher penalties that would force trainquest to change) and Aftermath don't want to sacrifice any mobs.

So Aftermath admitted to being greedy over the course of six hours.

Got it.

[Spyder73]

Oh god it feels good to not care about any of this. I am looking forward to Lord of the Pixels 3 though. Think that's one Chest chews off Detoxx's finger and jumps into a volcano.

Inspiration just smashed me square in the nose – Thanks Cecily, my next installment of P99 RP is already taking shape in my mind

[ArumTP]

So Aftermath admitted to being greedy over the course of six hours.

Got it.

Nobody gave Awakened or Aftermath anything. Nobody voluntarily gives up any mob in the game until they are done with it. You are using GM intervention to leverage yourself to kill mobs that you aren't killing currently, because you feel its to hard to compete. Causal greed is what drove this summit, where your so called leaders demanded rotations in any way they could phrase it.

[Juevento]

Nobody gave Awakened or Aftermath anything. Nobody voluntarily gives up any mob in the game until they are done with it. You are using GM intervention to leverage yourself to kill mobs that you aren't killing currently, because you feel its to hard to compete. Causal greed is what drove this summit, where your so called leaders demanded rotations in any way they could phrase it.

The vitriol and entitlement that you put on display here day after day is astounding to me.

Yet I remain hopeful that one of these days, you guys will remember that this only a game. Pixel denial stopped being cool 15 years ago when we were all still teenagers.

[Sweettouch]

So aftermath = new tmo is all I gathered here by their greedy narrow minded views and posters

[Pokesan]

you see, the casuals who want to share the content with everyone, they're greedy

[Ravager]

Nobody gave Awakened or Aftermath anything. Nobody voluntarily gives up any mob in the game until they are done with it. You are using GM intervention to leverage yourself to kill mobs that you aren't killing currently, because you feel its to hard to compete. Causal greed is what drove this summit, where your so called leaders demanded rotations in any way they could phrase it.

Pretty much all of the mobs those two guilds get were conceded to them by the rest of the server for the benefit of not playing in a shitty environment. It's not the other guilds' fault if AA can't see how stubborn/idiotic they are being for willfully playing like that. The trouble everyone has with it is that shitty playstyle AA perpetuates bleeds over into other areas of the game, and so you find yourself with a thousand different rules and as many interpretations as there are players.

Now if there were a way to separate the two types of players, those that want to compete for mobs and those that would rather share the content diplomatically, then everyone could have their cake and eat it too.


It's just too bad that there isn't another server currently running where cut-throat competition is the whole point.

[Swish]

It's just too bad that there isn't another server currently running where cut-throat competition is the whole point.

Are you saying BDA wouldn't play there? I thought you guys loved racing Omni/AG/Europa/Anonymous/Clue/etc.

Or is it a case of only competing if you think you're the favorites for FTE on the majority of spawns?

yikes

[iruinedyourday]

we need rules, people are p[laying dirty and its impossible to keep up, just look at this evidence of the despicable backhanded behavior of the blue raider:

http://i.imgur.com/sNhYL7W.gif

[Ravager]

Are you saying BDA wouldn't play there? I thought you guys loved racing Omni/AG/Europa/Anonymous/Clue/etc.

Or is it a case of only competing if you think you're the favorites for FTE on the majority of spawns?

yikes

I never said BDA loves racing Omni/AG/Europa/Anonymous/Clue/etc. Show me the post where I did.

Also show me the post where I said BDA loves competition.

Also show me the post where Chest nominated me the representative of BDA and its ideals.

You can't, you just like to make stuff up to run your little smear campaign for whatever reasons you think you need to. You're a sad, sad person with a very pointless agenda.

yikes indeed

[Phantasm]

Swish, do me a favor and post on your fat.txt so I have more self esteem for the upcoming beach season

Thanks

[Swish]

I never said BDA loves racing Omni/AG/Europa/Anonymous/Clue/etc. Show me the post where I did.

Show me where I said "Ravager thinks (anything)" ?

Ravager doesn't think, he just gets angry.

:o:o

[Ravager]

Show me where I said "Ravager thinks (anything)" ?

Ravager doesn't think, he just gets angry.

:o:o

Insults from a mouthy asshole do tend to make people angry.

[Tuljin]

Casuals are the millenials of P99 - over entitled and under deserving. If you want to be guaranteed pixels get, the fuck off my beloved raid scene and go play WoW.

"Your beloved raid scene" fucking sucks and news flash, "your beloved raid scene" turned this server ~into~ WoW

These "raid" guilds are full of so many new blood warmbodies from WoW that can't play EQ to dave their lives that make the mob spankdowns even possible.

These people are worse than the casuals because not only are they also casuals, but they suck at EQ and shit up the server and ~also~ feel "entitled" to loot because they park a toon at ToV entrance yet don't even know basic EQ mechanics.

Its a loot piñata just like WoW and you want to shut everybody else out but there's no such chance without a bottleneck like Trak Teeth. What year is it again, 2012 or 2016?

[Phantasm]

Circa 2001 Tuljin!

P99 offers a lot of these nerds a chance to be someone or something they otherwise wouldn't be. If it takes them 16 hours to consider themselves a winner then you better believe they are going to be there, mob after mob.

I mean, they are putting in work. The guy that stays late at work and picks up shifts is the one you'll see moving up. Its the same in EQ.

But seriously, you guys should just do drugs instead. The fix is more enjoyable and you don't need to rely on 7days +/- variance and the planets aligning for another one

[arsenalpow]

A makeshift 50 man raid force of people playing alts because we were strapped for clerics and mages and whatever else for BDA in ToV.

Over 110 people from Aftermath just melting dragon faces.

This game is so much fun.

[Man0warr]

Detoxx/Pint/Afterbirth pulled a new low last night.

[Tuljin]

If it takes them 16 hours to consider themselves a winner then you better believe they are going to be there, mob after mob.

I mean, they are putting in work. The guy that stays late at work and picks up shifts is the one you'll see moving up. Its the same in EQ.



Yeah well the real ironic thing about all of it is that P99 players seem like the ~last~ personality type to be complacent with "working for the man" which is exactly what you do in a "raid" guild.

And we all know the people who ~actually~ make bank ~never~ "worked for the man." Much like your raid cabal overlords, who egregiously take advantage of nubs and manipulate "raid" rules to further their own agenda. They never worked for anybody, and they get all the loot (for their 3rd alt)

Just want to give a massive shoutout to this guild. Great group of folks, where you get out of it what you put in.


Names have been withheld because I dont want to make anything personal, but you can see the blatant Kool-Aid drinking going on. Its like a Silicon Valley corporate pep rally, where the few people who actually make a livable wage give their cute little presentation with music and a projector and the rest of the peons get one hour paid to view the spectacle.

I worked at EA for a summer in college as a games tester, this is precisely what happens. If you post any info about any game you're testing on a forum (or to RnF?) they find out and you're fired. Oh yeah, and EA fucking sucks and their product is absolute shit. Do I need to draw more parallels?

I just think of losers who have spent every day on the box the last 6 years like Daldean Erati Chest etc. some grade a fucking losers.

I mean we're all EQ addicts in one way or another, but yeah tough to argue with this one.