Tell me why Red sucks

[Videri]

Hi P99, please post the reasons people don't play on Red99. Later, I'm going to make a poll to identify the most popular reasons. I hope to use that data to help the population on Red grow - not necessarily by recruiting from Blue, but from other games as well. No need to rage; just inform me, as though I were new around here.

[Nirgon]

free epics worked

now you need to hand out free primal

its really that simple

[SamwiseRed]

As a red player, my biggest gripe is lack of ports and binds. I find myself stuck all the time on my alts. Offering 200p is sometimes the only way to get around. The server needs dial a port or a fuck ton more main wizards who dont sit in CoM all day dropping ice comets on newbs.

One non-classic feature I would love to see on Red is soulbinders though. It is retarded you need a caster to bind you in a city after you spend 40 minutes takings boats and shit to a new leveling spot. Being a melee sucks on red, plain and simple.

[mr_jon3s]

My biggest problem with red was if you made a group of friends at lvl 1 by the time you hit 40 half of them quit.

[Pokesan]

i always feel like i'm talking to a bunch of drug addicts while on red

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Confirmed Red 99 Player checking in.

http://i.imgur.com/jDST1vn.png

[Jauna]

The extra added stressful probability of dying while exping.

Thats pretty much it, I hate the idea of always looking over my shoulder, or constantly watching /who to keep an eye out on potential or well known threats and sometimes just not trusting group members.

And that, is probably the biggest reason people do not and will not play Red99.

Yeah sure the devs pretty much did everything they could aside from add Plane of Knowledge ports, soulbinders, boat translocators, spawning with your gear after death, not making pvp a thing until 60, free gear packs at 60.

People just do not want the added stress of constantly worrying while exping.

[Barkingturtle]

As a red player, my biggest gripe is lack of ports and binds.

[Splade]

i always feel like i'm talking to a bunch of drug addicts while on red

Dude I swear most of the people I meet in general on p99 are unemployed and stoned

[arsenalpow]

The extra added stressful probability of dying while exping.

Thats pretty much it, I hate the idea of always looking over my shoulder, or constantly watching /who to keep an eye out on potential or well known threats and sometimes just not trusting group members.

And that, is probably the biggest reason people do not and will not play Red99.

Yeah sure the devs pretty much did everything they could aside from add Plane of Knowledge ports, soulbinders, boat translocators, spawning with your gear after death, not making pvp a thing until 60, free gear packs at 60.

People just do not want the added stress of constantly worrying while exping.

If a group wanted to go off the grid and XP they could, but if you want to hunt in the normal spots (MM, CoM, KC, Seb) you will absolutely get ganked.

[fan D]

The extra added stressful probability of dying while exping.

Thats pretty much it, I hate the idea of always looking over my shoulder, or constantly watching /who to keep an eye out on potential or well known threats and sometimes just not trusting group members.

And that, is probably the biggest reason people do not and will not play Red99.

Yeah sure the devs pretty much did everything they could aside from add Plane of Knowledge ports, soulbinders, boat translocators, spawning with your gear after death, not making pvp a thing until 60, free gear packs at 60.

People just do not want the added stress of constantly worrying while exping.

The added stress is exactly what i want and appeals to me about red99. I had been on a PvE server on live, and played on blue here for years. I was in casual and the most hardcore guilds here on blue99, I felt like I did all there was to do on Everquest after a couple years. When I first on started on project1999 I had a simple goal, and thatl was to do dungeon crawls in the zones I hadn't explored on live, such as Uguk, Lguk, Unrest basement, Mistmoore Castle, Runnyeye, Droga/Nurga, Howling Stones, kaesora and Splitpaw. After I done all that I wanted to see all of the raid content I hadn't seen on live. I raided everything Kunark/Classic had to offer. I felt like the game that use to feel infinite and overwhelming was now simple and small.

red99 is like a whole new everquest, a new challenge and added element of the game and once I experienced it there is absolutely no chance I could ever play everquest without it. I understand when my friends explain to me they have no interest in pvp and don't want to deal with it, but I genuinely feel sorry for them because they can not see what I do in red99 everquest

[Sage Truthbearer]

I don't think PvP in EQ is fun compared to PvP games that I already play. When I want to get my PvP fix, there's a lot more interesting options for me.

I think EQ PvP was more interesting on live when you had a choice of large population PvP servers with different rulesets to choose from. But an emulator with a FFA ruleset, low population, and no cycled wipes isn't very appealing.

[derpcake]

i can't invest time on a 150 pop server thats bleeding to death, that seems silly

that feeling where you are invested is gone for me, since the server is in a downward spiral population wise, further facilitated by the ban of x-server trades

along with the discord story and other recent events, the lack of updates and effort has me fearing for the entire p1999 project

could just be me

I don't think PvP in EQ is fun compared to PvP games that I already play.

this doesn't make sense

you like PVP, and you like EQ, but somehow you dislike EQ pvp?

I remember the first time I was in mistmoore, like 30ish people in the zone (server thriving), since our group didn't find a camp, we trashed the pond group and took theirs

1 hour later we did the same to GY

EQ pvp is fun and rewarding, not in R99's current state though

[derpcake]

People just do not want the added stress of constantly worrying while exping.

I will 100% of the time take this "extra stress" since it means no queues, no rotations, no FTE-bullshit, no shamans poopsocking tranix for months on end, ...

Losing a small bit of plat and xp is meaningless when compared to the blue bullshit one avoids

Do note I did not understand this before I made the jump myself.

[brecon]

Red is worth a shot. It's funny how different the xp grind and item farming is from the Blue server. Some very popular camps on Blue are rarely occupied on Red, either due to the items stats being less useful on Red, or due to the difficulty to hold the camp due to PVP.

What's cool about Red is that at level 60, you still have lots of things left to accomplish for your toon. Even if you don't actively PVP (ie search it out), you can still be a target for PVP. There is a lot of worn gear, clickies, and consumables that can help you survive. You may raid because you want great gear that you can't get from solo or single grouping - but the gear serves a purpose besides simply killing the same dragon with slightly better stats next week. The gear makes you more robust in PVP, better able to defend your camp or deal with PVP that you encounter.

The blue equivalent, for me, is lvl 60 toons that do "solo artist challenges." That's a real reason to get certain gear, consumables, and clickies that the average blue player doesn't experience. On Red, you learn early on the value of pumices and how to stack your buffs, and how buff stacking works on other players and mobs. You start to really think about your encounters.

The bonus for those who enjoy PVE challenges (like me) is that the Red population is lower, so it is far easier to get access to those mobs to practice - solo, duo, whatever. My high 40s xp group took down tranix because he was just up and we were alone in the zone. The downside (if you can call it that) is that you can't recharge or use some of the clickies like puppet strings, bladestoppers, and soulfires which trivialize so many of the solo artist challenges.

[Jauna]

The added stress is exactly what i want and appeals to me about red99.

And if more people thought like you, we would not be having the daily "Come play with me" threads, but most do not.. and that is the point.

[korilla]

I played on red. i had a lvl 60. at a certain point i had an epiphany that even after winning raid loot that there isn't a point because 1/2 the server is in one guild and the other 1/4 of the population is outside of my range.

[Jauna]

I will 100% of the time take this "extra stress" since it means no queues, no rotations, no FTE-bullshit, no shamans poopsocking tranix for months on end, ...

Losing a small bit of plat and xp is meaningless when compared to the blue bullshit one avoids

Do note I did not understand this before I made the jump myself.

Doesnt Red only have one guild that monopolizes the server and if you dont get in, you dont raid?

That seems stressful to me.

[fan D]

Doesnt Red only have one guild that monopolizes the server and if you dont get in, you dont raid?

That seems stressful to me.

No.

There are 3-4 other guilds that raid and do planars.

[derpcake]

Doesnt Red only have one guild that monopolizes the server and if you dont get in, you dont raid?

That seems stressful to me.

its impossible not to get in unless you already have a long history

beats blue really

No.

There are 3-4 other guilds that raid and do planars.

man u such a laugh

[SamwiseRed]

Don't join zergs then.

[derpcake]

Don't join zergs then.

friends somehow is hard to get into, can't deny they very clique

so is empires core but at least they tag people

heck i offered to join friends just for pvp and fun, never even got a reply. I find that funny as a neutral reputation shm that likes to support

never did shit to you guys so whatever right, lets just not pretend they are trying to grow into a competitor

[Daywolf]

I don't think PvP in EQ is fun compared to PvP games that I already play. When I want to get my PvP fix, there's a lot more interesting options for me.

I think EQ PvP was more interesting on live when you had a choice of large population PvP servers with different rulesets to choose from. But an emulator with a FFA ruleset, low population, and no cycled wipes isn't very appealing.
I dig pvp, but hardly if ever play FFA, not even in the 90's on Quake servers. I generally go with faction pvp, or at least team based pvp like in CTF mode etc. I've spent tons of time in PSide1, the SWG GCW, WWII Online, EVE factional warfare, GW1 tournaments, GW2 WvWvW, Classic UO where we did red vs blue and then later this huge pvp/rp alliance warfare thang. Not even counting all my shooters etc. Really? EQ1 FFA? meh...

My experience with FFA, usually not very good communities. Too much anger and hostility.

[fan D]

And if more people thought like you, we would not be having the daily "Come play with me" threads, but most do not.. and that is the point.

What is the point?

The point is, whether its blue or red, it's Everquest. And everyone posting here loves Everquest. We share a special bond, and I want everyone who loves Everquest to have as much fun as possible. If all that requires for you to have fun is post threads like this - I would tell you KEEP POSTING - NEVER STOP. Consequently, I would never be bothered, annoyed or tired of the threads, i'd be happy for you.

[derpcake]

I dig pvp, but hardly if ever play FFA, not even in the 90's on Quake servers. I generally go with faction pvp, or at least team based pvp like in CTF mode etc. I've spent tons of time in PSide1, the SWG GCW, WWII Online, EVE factional warfare, GW1 tournaments, GW2 WvWvW, Classic UO where we did red vs blue and then later this huge pvp/rp alliance warfare thang. Not even counting all my shooters etc. Really? EQ1 FFA? meh...

My experience with FFA, usually not very good communities. Too much anger and hostility.

its not FFA since people have guild tags and respect those pretty much always

[derpcake]

The point is, whether its blue or red, it's Everquest. And everyone posting here loves Everquest. We share a special bond, and I want everyone who loves Everquest to have as much fun as possible.

can u borrow me some plat pls

[brecon]

its not FFA since people have guild tags and respect those pretty much always

?

[Bionic]

The problems that I see with Red 99 are:


Low population - There isn't a whole lot of grouping going on if you aren't in a guild. You may have to traverse a few contents to get to the zone your group has chosen to level. Keep your eyes open as you travel.


Lack of ports and binds - If you're just starting out I'd highly suggest you play a caster to at least overcome the lack of gear / bind issue. You will die on Red99 more than you do on Blue99.


Economy - You have to put more effort into buying gear on Red. There isn't 500 people sitting in one zone all day selling everything you need. Brightside is that the prices are lower (on average) for most items. On the other hand, any camps are wide open so making plat to gear up is much easier on Red.


OOC conversations - A percentage of the population is salty and only seeks to antagonize their foes in the global OOC. Nightly arguments, insults, and linking of gear that "so-and-so will never have" can be expected. I'd recommend you put OOC in a separate window as, if you're like me, you'll probably be minimizing it to avoid such nonsense.


Even with all these issues, I have a great time on Red. I'm not in a guild and I play casually a few days a week. I've managed to gear up 3 characters pretty decently and enjoy the server so much that my 60 Shaman on Blue (full spellbook minus Canni 4) rarely sees any playtime these days.

[Jauna]

There are 3-4 other guilds that raid and do planars.

Holy shit I never even once considered planar corpse runs with pvp on. That just send chills down my spine knowing that if the monopoly guild ever thought or tried it, they will not allow you to get your corpse back.

Thanks for another bullet point for tomorrows "Im so alone" thread

[brecon]

Holy shit I never even once considered planar corpse runs with pvp on. That just send chills down my spine knowing that if the monopoly guild ever thought or tried it, they will not allow you to get your corpse back.

Thanks for another bullet point for tomorrows "Im so alone" thread

Most guilds will offer to rez you up if you get wiped from PVP in a hard to reach place.

[derpcake]

Holy shit I never even once considered planar corpse runs with pvp on. That just send chills down my spine knowing that if the monopoly guild ever thought or tried it, they will not allow you to get your corpse back.

Thanks for another bullet point for tomorrows "Im so alone" thread

At the very worst case you'll have to let your corpse rot.

Meaning you can get it back 7 days later in EC after a free GM summon

Can't remember anyone being corpse camped into decay really, you think empire people would squander time camping fear? They might do the effort for some key opposition players, but not for joe-random-thunderdome (which is me!)

[Jauna]

its impossible not to get in unless you already have a long history

beats blue really

How is zero chance of getting loot on red unless you are in the inner circle less stressful..

Actually you are right, that is not stressful. But that does remove the carrot on the stick to play on Red, which is so much worse.

[fan D]

Holy shit I never even once considered planar corpse runs with pvp on. That just send chills down my spine knowing that if the monopoly guild ever thought or tried it, they will not allow you to get your corpse back.

Thanks for another bullet point for tomorrows "Im so alone" thread

It is called Loot and Scoot. You say that in /ooc and you are allowed to get your corpse back.

Besides, what made EQ great and fun back on live was the mystique and thrill of the unknown. Now a days most people have a high level toon and know exactly what to expect on every raid, in every zone, on every encounter. Being genuinely afraid again while traveling Norrath is what keeps the game interesting in 2016.

[Jauna]

What is the point?

You quoted my own post with the point a few posts back

People do not want the added stress of PvP added to leveling.

[brecon]

How is zero chance of getting loot on red unless you are in the inner circle less stressful..

Actually you are right, that is not stressful. But that does remove the carrot on the stick to play on Red, which is so much worse.

Lots of very good raid loots are on rot status already for Empire. You will get gear if you join, and melee classes may get gear their first day. Of course, you need to put in your time to get the top-tier raid drops that core members don't already have, but isn't that how it should be?

Don't expect to get Vulak loot in a month, but with a single guild taking down every single Vulak, your chances are higher than starting fresh on Blue (where every guild is Empire sized, and they compete for each Vulak).

[fan D]

You quoted my own post with the point a few posts back

People do not want the added stress of PvP added to leveling.

Some people don't. Some people do and have not yet realized it. They just need to try it ;)

[derpcake]

How is zero chance of getting loot on red unless you are in the inner circle less stressful..

Actually you are right, that is not stressful. But that does remove the carrot on the stick to play on Red, which is so much worse.

can you explain how empire maintains such a large roster, if they don't award loot to everyone?

i can, since with a glorious 3% RA i was still awarded various spells and an item or two

you won't find faster / fairer loot then there, just don't expect to pass up the veterans while on trial .. seems reasonable no?

[SamwiseRed]

friends somehow is hard to get into, can't deny they very clique

so is empires core but at least they tag people

heck i offered to join friends just for pvp and fun, never even got a reply. I find that funny as a neutral reputation shm that likes to support

never did shit to you guys so whatever right, lets just not pretend they are trying to grow into a competitor

Dunno I'm not friends.

[Jauna]

Besides, what made EQ great and fun back on live was the mystique and thrill of the unknown. Now a days most people have a high level toon and know exactly what to expect on every raid, in every zone, on every encounter. Being genuinely afraid again while traveling Norrath is what keeps the game interesting in 2016.

We are going in circles here, before I said if more people thought like you we would not have these daily red threads.

[derpcake]

@sam

makes 2 of us

[derpcake]

We are going in circles here, before I said if more people thought like you we would not have these daily red threads.

some of us believe there is some competition left on blue

not you but there is always someone

there must be someone

[Jauna]

can you explain how empire maintains such a large roster, if they don't award loot to everyone?

i can, since with a glorious 3% RA i was still awarded various spells and an item or two

you won't find faster / fairer loot then there, just don't expect to pass up the veterans while on trial .. seems reasonable no?

Thats nice, but you said it is impossible to get in unless you have a history with them and I took that as an inner circle type deal and to someone like me who is not in the inner circle I see no point in trying since end game is locked down unless you have permission from said inner circle.

[derpcake]

Thats nice, but you said it is impossible to get in unless you have a history with them and I took that as an inner circle type deal and to someone like me who is not in the inner circle I see no point in trying since end game is locked down unless you have permission from said inner circle.

i said that about friends, not empire, i even posted its kind of impossible not to get into empire

also

http://i.imgur.com/wPBO4Z1.png

[coldslaw]

When the PVP general forum is more toxic than the Blue RnF, you're not really enticing people to give it a try.

Not to mention the red recruitment posts in almost every single thread which is annoying and a turn-off to wanting to associate more with individuals like that.

From a newer players perspective, red server a) appears toxic as fuck b) seems to ahve a declining population. Whats the point of investing time there?

[jcr4990]

Biggest reason Red sucks is just cause the population sucks. If the server had enough people to support like 3-4 Empire's instead of 1 it would be infinitely more enjoyable. An avg nightly pop of like 600 people would make Red amazing. Unfortunately that will never happen cause the vast majority of people that try Red get frustrated by the degenerates with ~300k geared twinks sitting in lvl 5-50 dungeons ruining everyones day all day long. If you manage to get past that into your 50's then your options become either join Empire or get crushed/raid meaningless shit to avoid getting crushed. That's another one of the huge issues is that 1 guild basically controls everything through zerg tactics. If Empire was forced to split into 2 separate guilds somehow and the rest of the server just picked sides it would automatically be better than it is now. I used to think "Why the hell are ppl so excited about stupid "Teams PvP" server when we already have Red that blows ass? But then it all made sense when I stopped to think about it. A Teams server kind of discourages a single zerg guild at the top. Much higher probability of there being multiple high end guilds when the mechanics of the game force people to not pile into 1 zerg.

Red has potential to be a great thing but human scumbag nature seems to repeatedly get in the way.

[fan D]

When the PVP general forum is more toxic than the Blue RnF, you're not really enticing people to give it a try.

Not to mention the red recruitment posts in almost every single thread which is annoying and a turn-off to wanting to associate more with individuals like that.

From a newer players perspective, red server a) appears toxic as fuck b) seems to ahve a declining population. Whats the point of investing time there?


because even if both of those are true - it's still better than blue

[fan D]

i always thought it was funny that someone like me, who plays 20 hours a day for the past 2 years, has hardly ran into twinks/griefers on red. There was on in crushbone, one, and he hasnt been around in over a year. The griefers in unrest, mistmoore, highkeep, you seem them online maybe twenty minutes a week. You don't see those players on for hours on end, and there are no twink griefers past lvl 30 or so. That is the highest level theyll go, there is no one 40-50 that sits in solb and ruins peoples night as their sole goal in eq

[Jauna]

Because when you see toxic you wanna toxic while you toxic just because toxic is only toxic for the toxic toxicisistiy

Actually now that you mention it, the idea of Red is like viewing the dating profile of an attractive single mother.

Yeah sure it sounds fun, more experience, first few levels are protected, your gear is protected.

But at the end of the day you lose all your money.

[fan D]

Biggest reason Red sucks is just cause the population sucks. If the server had enough people to support like 3-4 Empire's instead of 1 it would be infinitely more enjoyable. An avg nightly pop of like 600 people would make Red amazing. Unfortunately that will never happen cause the vast majority of people that try Red get frustrated by the degenerates with ~300k geared twinks sitting in lvl 5-50 dungeons ruining everyones day all day long. If you manage to get past that into your 50's then your options become either join Empire or get crushed/raid meaningless shit to avoid getting crushed. That's another one of the huge issues is that 1 guild basically controls everything through zerg tactics. If Empire was forced to split into 2 separate guilds somehow and the rest of the server just picked sides it would automatically be better than it is now. I used to think "Why the hell are ppl so excited about stupid "Teams PvP" server when we already have Red that blows ass? But then it all made sense when I stopped to think about it. A Teams server kind of discourages a single zerg guild at the top. Much higher probability of there being multiple high end guilds when the mechanics of the game force people to not pile into 1 zerg.

Red has potential to be a great thing but human scumbag nature seems to repeatedly get in the way.

or when 1 side establishes a dominant guild that is superior to any on the opposing team, everyone joins that side. Eventually no one plays on the losing teams faction and all of those races/classes become non existent

[Jauna]

So we are all at a consensus then?

Remove the ability to kill another player on Red99 and keep the added experience.

But, one day a month PvP is enabled but have a 1 hour respawn time on every raid target

[Bill Tetley]

1. The community is more immature than Blue.
2. There is one massive zerg guild that rules the server.
3. EQ PvP is not balanced.

[jpetrick]

Teams servers don't prevent zergs. I played on tallon zek. Once pandemonium started recruiting players that were any race it didn't matter what team you were on. They were too big to overthrow.

[thufir]

When the PVP general forum is more toxic than the Blue RnF, you're not really enticing people to give it a try.

Not to mention the red recruitment posts in almost every single thread which is annoying and a turn-off to wanting to associate more with individuals like that.

From a newer players perspective, red server a) appears toxic as fuck b) seems to ahve a declining population. Whats the point of investing time there?

You wanted to know the reasons, here are the reasons.

Basically, the people who are most visible on Red are the kind of people you wouldn't interact with on Blue. You want a server like that, that's fine. But that doesn't entice people who aren't also assholes. Blue has its assholes too, but the general norm on Blue is that it's bad to be an asshole. On Red the norm is that being an asshole is A-OK. Or even preferable.

You could do a lot of things to turn this back. It's possible to achieve new norms. I don't think enough of you really want to do that though. It would require a concerted effort against your worst elements and I don't think most of Red would think that's fun.

[fan D]

1. The community is more immature than Blue.
2. There is one massive zerg guild that rules the server.
3. EQ PvP is not balanced.

Why is any of this a bad thing?

1. I am not sure that is true, look how petty and ridiculous the players on blue get over items that will literally not change anything about the game. I think it is immature to have raiding result in "CoTH ducking competitions" just to obtain pixels SOLELY for the use of killing raid targets that were defeated the first day of Velious launch. The high end community, which is the majority of blue, are so toxic and greedy over raid loot even though they all can kill every single raid boss the first of Velious came out. You don't need any of the new items to accomplish anything, yet look at the insane amount of time it requires to get these items. You people don't share with each other.

2. If you're not in the zerg, you get to have arguably more fun than those who spend many hours raiding. You get to pick off the warm bodies, weaklings and noobs. All of the warm bodies and high volume of players are close together and in one zone. You get lot's of pvp targets all huddled together.

3. Nothing in EQ is balanced. The classes aren't balanced in PVE, you could get rid of how many classes and nothing would change on the blue server. EQ is flawed and wonky and makes no sense often times and that's why we love it. Embrace how unbalanced the PvP is, find fun in playing a perceived weaker class, or play a strong class and challenge yourself against the best.

[Jauna]

All of the D's posts can be summed up by

"Red is just like Blue in every aspect, but on Red you can kill them. Blue is bad, please come play with me"

[arsenalpow]

Both servers have their problems, yet people would rather deal with the blue server. Focus on red's problems instead of listing blue's. How do you fix RnF in global chat, a monumentally one sided end game, fuxked up economy, super low population, and low level griefing? How do you sell the positives of the red server such as faster XP, pvp problem resolution, and an active sleepers tomb?

If the problem solving for red's issues is "they aren't really problems, we like our server like this, stop being a baby" then don't expect anyone to make the jump.

[fan D]

i just want both servers to have fun, i want both servers to have a healthy population, dats all chest

cut us some slack? we all luv everquest u feel

[thufir]

Yeah, fan_D doesn't get it. Don't respond to people's concerns by telling them they aren't concerns. That doesn't actually work if you're trying to get people to do something voluntary.

[arsenalpow]

i just want both servers to have fun, i want both servers to have a healthy population, dats all chest

cut us some slack? we all luv everquest u feel

So lots of people have listed issues they have with red. Care to address any of these issues? Not having the answers is fine too, Rome wasn't built in a day.

[nyclin]

1) Pvp in eq is pretty fucking terrible. As someone who played on VZ for 2 years, it has its moments but by-and-large it's basically just there to facilitate griefing or to deny someone a camp.
2) With only one serious raiding guild and and an already low pop that's hemorrhaging people, what's the point? If you want ez loot on an empty server, you can always install eqemu and #summonitem yourself a BiS char.
3) Culture seems pretty shit from the outside; one glance at the pvp forums was enough to deter me from rolling a character there. You guys might be totally awesome bros in reality, but the outward personas are insufferable.

[Aviann]

How many of these threads do we need before they start getting deleted?

[derpcake]

it depends on how much you support this one

[SamwiseRed]

Teams servers don't prevent zergs. I played on tallon zek. Once pandemonium started recruiting players that were any race it didn't matter what team you were on. They were too big to overthrow.

soft coded teams was retarded anyway. da fuck they think was gonna happen?

[derpcake]

soft coded teams was retarded anyway. da fuck they think was gonna happen?

tbh if it was hard-coded with 6-12 month federal prison time attached for violations, it would still happen on r99

[Lojik]

I played red as an enc until about level 30. Here's what I thought-

1) I play offpeak hours mostly, can't play on weekends at all for the most part. If you want a group during these hours, it's going to HAVE to be in the main spots: MM,unrest, etc. There are literally 0 people anywhere else. Thus, you'll run into some griefers. Truth be told it wasn't really that bad, but it was just annoying. As a gearless newb (and you will be gearless at first) there's 0 way to kill the SK with fungi, cos, who's assaulting your party. It's not even like a 90% chance that the guy will survive, its' 99.99%. He has to go LD or some crap to die.

Also if you wanna talk about how great the raid scene is on red, doesn't every raid mob spawn on Sundays with 0 variance? For someone who plays offpeak hours, again this ain't no boon at all, although for the majority of people this is prob great if you just join empire.

2) With the exp bonus, you don't even have to try while grouping. I ran into a LOT of bad players who didn't know wtf they were doing, but it didn't matter cause you got exp anyway. There are bad players on both servers, but on red you still get rewarded for being the worst pve'r on the planet.

3) With the fast xp, you don't really feel that invested in your character. He's just sitting there and I feel no urge to play him.

4) Itemization. With 4 years of kunark and now velious, there's been way too much time for people to gear for new people to wanna start. EQ is highly gear dependent, and there are way too many melee's floating around with equipment that would have been the best set on any server at this point in velious on live. This distorts any balancing that we're trying to implement from live (not to say live was balanced,) as very few people were as geared to the teeth as they are here. I really feel like this affects pvp way more than the blue server.

5) of course, the population. Like everyone else said, it's just a network problem that's a catch-22: No people play, so people don't wanna play. EQ is dumb when, like samwise said, you're waiting 2 hours for a bind or whatever. Kinda takes the first M out of MMORPG.

[Spyder73]

Rules to playing on Red

1) Childlike responses to any question asked
2) Over use of the phrases “Consider Red” and “This wouldn’t happen on Red”
3) Crutch phrases like “cuck” and “fuk boi” and “bluebie” must be used in EVERY post
4) AOL/AIM chat seems to be a big player in the Red community or a continual inside joke
5) Join <Empire>

[derpcake]

Rules to playing on Red

1) Childlike responses to any question asked
2) Over use of the phrases “Consider Red” and “This wouldn’t happen on Red”
3) Crutch phrases like “cuck” and “fuk boi” and “bluebie” must be used in EVERY post
4) AOL/AIM chat seems to be a big player in the Red community or a continual inside joke
5) Join <Empire>

you sure seem the angriest poster in this thread

notice how red players have behaved properly

anyway, wouldn't happen on red, fuk boi cuck like you would get stomped back to the bluebie server, aimchat agrees and your empire app is denied (pls don't get angry, this is a joke)

[fan D]

Rules to playing on Red

1) Childlike responses to any question asked
2) Over use of the phrases “Consider Red” and “This wouldn’t happen on Red”
3) Crutch phrases like “cuck” and “fuk boi” and “bluebie” must be used in EVERY post
4) AOL/AIM chat seems to be a big player in the Red community or a continual inside joke
5) Join <Empire>

this poster has never played on red

he also has never watched a movie or listened to a song, he just reads other peoples opinions and decides thats enough for himself

[derpcake]

he's that nerd making drama over Wu'tang being a proper EQ surname

A+ guy to call an entire server immature

[Spyder73]

this poster has never played on red

he also has never watched a movie or listened to a song, he just reads other peoples opinions and decides thats enough for himself

FanDOOOONNNGGGGOoooo circumventing his forum ban?

Sirken routinely says on his stream that Red is a festering dumpster fire that is polluting the internet. Arguably P99s biggest champion says the server is crap. What more do you need to know?

And I have a monk on Red named Colgate <Empire>

[fan D]

and so what, is Sirken the coolest guy in the world? Does Sirken know everything?

that kid can't speak 3 words on his stream without chewing his gushers mid sentence. Can't even hear what he's saying 90% of the time because of it

[Jauna]

I see most of Red99s PvP happens on the forums

[derpcake]

its just for the easy scores

[Spyder73]

he's that nerd making drama over Wu'tang being a proper EQ surname

A+ guy to call an entire server immature

Quick history lesson S head

The concept of a Monk is not unique to Norrath. The entire Monk class is HEAVILY based off existing lore. Shaolin Shadow Boxing and the Wu’Tang Sword style are both critical features of the Shaolin Monks. Everquest not only recognizes this obvious fact, they celebrate it in game (Master Ton Po, Master Wu). Saying that the combination of “Wu” and “Tang” somehow compromises the integrity of the game and violates the naming policy is - simply put - ignorant. There are a variety of reasons (that I have detailed in other posts) on why Wu’Tang is in fact the ultimate tip of the hat to classic EQ and the only reasonable surname for my character to have. It is actually quite confusing to new players who I am running through the Crypt of Dalnir when I DO NOT HAVE MY BIRTH RIGHT ATTACHED TO MY NAME

The fact that my requests are not only flat out ignored but openly laughed about by the staff only adds to my embarrassment for the staff (Fatnar). Not only is it immersion breaking for me NOT to have the surname, it also goes against the very reason this server exists – nostalgia and FUN.

[coldslaw]

I see most of Red99s PvP happens on the forums

Quick history lesson S head

The concept of a Monk is not unique to Norrath. The entire Monk class is HEAVILY based off existing lore. Shaolin Shadow Boxing and the Wu’Tang Sword style are both critical features of the Shaolin Monks. Everquest not only recognizes this obvious fact, they celebrate it in game (Master Ton Po, Master Wu). Saying that the combination of “Wu” and “Tang” somehow compromises the integrity of the game and violates the naming policy is - simply put - ignorant. There are a variety of reasons (that I have detailed in other posts) on why Wu’Tang is in fact the ultimate tip of the hat to classic EQ and the only reasonable surname for my character to have. It is actually quite confusing to new players who I am running through the Crypt of Dalnir when I DO NOT HAVE MY BIRTH RIGHT ATTACHED TO MY NAME

The fact that my requests are not only flat out ignored but openly laughed about by the staff only adds to my embarrassment for the staff (Fatnar). Not only is it immersion breaking for me NOT to have the surname, it also goes against the very reason this server exists – nostalgia and FUN.

No

From the naming policy: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159515, 4.16

- Copyrighted or trademarked names of products, characters, services, or concepts (e.g. Bigmac, Marlboro, Sony).
- Names from popular media. These names can be either fictional (e.g. Rambo, Darthvader) or non-fictional (e.g. Garth Brooks, Pierce Brosnan, George Washington, Michael Jordan).


Wudang (Wutang) or Wu Dang (Wu Tang) may refer to:

Shaolin and Wu Tang, a 1983 Hong Kong martial arts film

The Wudang Sect, sometimes also referred to as the Wu-tang Sect or Wu-Tang Clan, is a fictional martial arts sect mentioned in several works of wuxia fiction.

Wu-Tang: Shaolin Style, a 1999 3D fighting video game

Wu-Tang Clan, a rap group from Staten Island, New York



Plus your forum avatar is the copyrighted logo for the Wu-Tang Clan rap group. https://trademarks.justia.com/773/35/wu-tang-77335438.html

You honestly cant see why it is not allowed? It's not because they just enjoy being assholes, it is so they cover their asses and can't be sued because of it.

*edit: expounding and grammar

[derpcake]

Quick history lesson S head

The concept of a Monk is not unique to Norrath. The entire Monk class is HEAVILY based off existing lore. Shaolin Shadow Boxing and the Wu’Tang Sword style are both critical features of the Shaolin Monks. Everquest not only recognizes this obvious fact, they celebrate it in game (Master Ton Po, Master Wu). Saying that the combination of “Wu” and “Tang” somehow compromises the integrity of the game and violates the naming policy is - simply put - ignorant. There are a variety of reasons (that I have detailed in other posts) on why Wu’Tang is in fact the ultimate tip of the hat to classic EQ and the only reasonable surname for my character to have. It is actually quite confusing to new players who I am running through the Crypt of Dalnir when I DO NOT HAVE MY BIRTH RIGHT ATTACHED TO MY NAME

The fact that my requests are not only flat out ignored but openly laughed about by the staff only adds to my embarrassment for the staff (Fatnar). Not only is it immersion breaking for me NOT to have the surname, it also goes against the very reason this server exists – nostalgia and FUN.

i quit reading when i read "history lesson" along with a wu-tang avatar

gtfo with your solid argument, maybe staff has time for your petty bullshit but i'd straight up suspend you for a month for wasting CS time

[derpcake]

You honestly cant see why it is not allowed? It's not because they just enjoy being assholes, it is so they cover there asses and can't be sued because of it.

lets not call it malice, it seems likely to be raw stupidity

[iruinedyourday]

How many of these threads do we need before they start getting deleted?

as many as it takes to exceed the population on red.

but seriously join red its the best! 3 years from now you wont regret it!

[Loke]

I think I've posted my views on Red else where, but might as well repeat them. First of all, I don't think Red sucks, it is just good/bad for different players. The main reason I returned to blue was because the end game on red as a support class was a huge pain in the ass if you didn't want to join one of the top guild(s). As a L60 cleric with some friends in the mid-late 50s, it was very hard for us to work on small group objectives (e.g. epics, gear, farming plat) without getting harassed. On blue me and a couple friends can take a couple hours and go farm Kael a bit for armor, on Red doing the same is just asking for some rogue to wait until you're engaged with mobs and then attack. Also, not being able to AFK is pretty annoying.

I also really don't like how a lot of people on that server expect you to inherit their grudges. On a number of occasions I had people bitch at me for not helping them kill someone, when both of the people were guys I got along with. That was probably the biggest thing that kept me from joining a guild. I actually app'd to a guild, but after a few days hanging out with some of their members I just quit associating with them. Random dudes I'd never talked to expected me to help them kill my friends simply because we shared a guild tag, and then threw a fit when I didn't. I actually had members of the guild I had app to grief my exp groups on a number of occasions simply because they were bored. Trying to level up so you can raid, only to have the people you're going to be raiding with waste hours of your time gets old really quick.

I think if I could have started out at 60, not knowing anyone on the server through leveling, and just joined a guild without any pre-existing friendships on the server, it could have been fun. However, by the time I reached 60 I disliked enough people from just about every guild on the server than I really had no desire to join any of them. I also definitely would have made a PvP class instead of a cleric. There is really no benefit to playing a support class, guilds might need them, but you'll spend all your time listening twink rogs and t-staff monks talk shit - either because they killed you, or because youre a pansy for running away, as if a cleric has any chance of winning that fight.

If you're really into PvP and raiding, red is a pretty solid server. Even if youre not that into pvp and only want to raid, it is still probably better than blue. However, if you like to solo harder content, or do small group stuff, or make new friends, red is kind of a hell hole. Blue is just a better experience if you want to play casually imo.

[Fawqueue]

Red has one fundamental problem: You can't go back in time. The server you see today was shaped by the miscues of the past. Cheating, corrupt admins, wonky resist code, the list goes on. This server was dead on arrival and has done a very admirable job of limping along for years. However, the current problem of low population is self-perpetuating. There aren't enough bodies to field multiple full-scale guilds, so everyone piles into one that is capable of completing their desired content. A few resistance groups pop up, beat their chests and try to create meaningful PvP, and then get burnt out when they realize their efforts do absolutely nothing to affect the state of the server. At that point some of their members join the very zerg they championed so hard to defeat, and the rest quit.

What could fix this? A hard wipe and a serious Blue guild making the jump while the playing field is even. It won't happen, and there might be other outside-the-box alternatives, but my personal opinion is that if the fault is in the foundation then you need to rebuild from the ground up. You can't just build on top of it and hope for the best, or you'll just run into problem after problem much like the server has.

[Spyder73]

What you are saying is completely irrelevant. #1 my avatar has nothing to do with in-game…and I only have it on as my avatar as a protest against the censorship that I am currently enduring.

Additionally, the Wutang (Wudang) Mountains are an actual place in China and have a rich cultural history that is deeply rooted in martial arts. It’s a pilgrimage site for people the world over who follow Taoism. The Five Dragons Temple for example, was constructed at the behest of Emperor Taizong of Tang. In 1994 the Wutang Gardens were made a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

You cant copy right an entire region of the world – it doesn’t work like that. If I had a character named “Atlantic” or “Appellation” or “Antarctica” would I be censored? My contention is that no, no I would not be.

In martial arts the skill qinggong translate to “Inner Flame” – SOUND FAMILIAR? LEVEL 56?

In no way am I infringing on the copy rights of the RZA, the GZA, Ol' Dirty Bastard, Inspectah Deck, Raekwon the Chef, U-God, Ghostface Killah and the Method Man. These guys have nothing to do with Wu’Tang in the context and cultural sense that I am using the term Wu’Tang. You insinuating that I am intentionally breaking the rules is appalling and quite rude. Wu’Tang is traditional martial arts surname that has meaning in Norrath. Not only does it pay homage to an entire region of the world for which we as Americans take for granted, it also pays homage to Master Wu of Norrath.

If you want to go further down the rabbit hole I will post you my entire reasoning why I am being unfairly targeted and why this whole thing is a big misunderstanding and that my name should be restored

I grouped with a guy named “Weedlord Bonerhitler” in game not so long ago, yet god forbid we use names that are both culturally and historically relevant (Both in EQ and in the Lore the class is based on) to the class I am playing.

[iruinedyourday]

ITT the left brain boring posts of blue players vs the right brain party posts of red players

[Thugnuts]

I tried red. The only sociable and well adjusted players I met there were folks like me who were also trying red for the first time. They all quit almost immediately once they hit 50+ because reasons that have already been listed.

For me, it happened in Gfay. Some random guy just ran up to us while we were forming up a guild group and started talking lots of hateful autism spectrum shit. He couldn't attack us, so we ignored him. He logged and came back with another character, saw that he still couldn't attack us, talked more shit, and logged out. Then he came back with ANOTHER character that was in range to attack us AND red con and fungi twinked, and then faceplanted our entire group.

Guild group broke up after that.

Asked our guildy druid if he could port the rest of us so that we could XP somewhere else. He said he was available to port, but that it'd cost us 150p each.

Logged out and rolled a new blue character. Having fun ever since.

[Tann]

Additionally, the Wutang (Wudang) Mountains are an actual place in China and have a rich cultural history that is deeply rooted in martial arts. It’s a pilgrimage site for people the world over who follow Taoism. The Five Dragons Temple for example, was constructed at the behest of Emperor Taizong of Tang. In 1994 the Wutang Gardens were made a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

You cant copy right an entire region of the world – it doesn’t work like that. If I had a character named “Atlantic” or “Appellation” or “Antarctica” would I be censored? My contention is that no, no I would not be.

In martial arts the skill qinggong translate to “Inner Flame” – SOUND FAMILIAR? LEVEL 56?

http://i.imgur.com/qokABwG.png

*trigger warning as above image is not related to any mountainous regions in China*

[beta]

Pras R99

[TheDuck]

I tried red. The only sociable and well adjusted players I met there were folks like me who were also trying red for the first time. They all quit almost immediately once they hit 50+ because reasons that have already been listed.

For me, it happened in Gfay. Some random guy just ran up to us while we were forming up a guild group and started talking lots of hateful autism spectrum shit. He couldn't attack us, so we ignored him. He logged and came back with another character, saw that he still couldn't attack us, talked more shit, and logged out. Then he came back with ANOTHER character that was in range to attack us AND red con and fungi twinked, and then faceplanted our entire group.

Guild group broke up after that.

Asked our guildy druid if he could port the rest of us so that we could XP somewhere else. He said he was available to port, but that it'd cost us 150p each.

Logged out and rolled a new blue character. Having fun ever since.

lol, sounds like that could have been me, since you obviously have the bergs. jesus.

[Jazzy]

What would really help is if empire would stop recruiting.

The already small number on the opposing side have nobody to recruit from as they lose players

Cant hate on empire for needing to recruit if they truly need more to do content.

Just a sorry state of affairs on red99. There is not enough new players to have a chance of real guild vs guild pvp.

it would be refreshing to see somebody like fandango who i assume is pretty much bis now to stop taking the easy route and walk the walk by switching sides and enjoying a new challenge.

[Ragnaros]

What would really help is if empire would stop recruiting.

The already small number on the opposing side have nobody to recruit from as they lose players

Cant hate on empire for needing to recruit if they truly need more to do content.

Just a sorry state of affairs on red99. There is not enough new players to have a chance of real guild vs guild pvp.

it would be refreshing to see somebody like fandango who i assume is pretty much bis now to stop taking the easy route and walk the walk by switching sides and enjoying a new challenge.

pretty much this
people like colgate and gongshow were getting raped for the first 3 years of the server and then got handed server by corrupt staff (derubael, FIRED) so now they are on a quest to get their revenge!!!111

[Spyder73]

it would be refreshing to see somebody like fandango who i assume is pretty much bis now to stop taking the easy route and walk the walk by switching sides and enjoying a new challenge.

Fandango is definitely a multi-time BiS’er

“Bathed In Sweat” due to obesity and poor life decisions. “Basement-dwelling in SouthCarolina” because that’s where his ma lives. “Born into Shame” with the micro pen!s disorder.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Red would be more entertaining if BDA moved to red 99.

[maerilith]

In this order?

1. Pixel Lust
2. No Roleplay
3. Everyone betrays their true nature for the pixels, see #1
4. Asperaguz

[Nirgon]

pretty much this
people like colgate and gongshow were getting raped for the first 3 years of the server and then got handed server by corrupt staff (derubael, FIRED) so now they are on a quest to get their revenge!!!111

was not there then, has no idea

[Borak]

Originally Posted by Thugnuts View Post
I tried red. The only sociable and well adjusted players I met there were folks like me who were also trying red for the first time. They all quit almost immediately once they hit 50+ because reasons that have already been listed.

For me, it happened in Gfay. Some random guy just ran up to us while we were forming up a guild group and started talking lots of hateful autism spectrum shit. He couldn't attack us, so we ignored him. He logged and came back with another character, saw that he still couldn't attack us, talked more shit, and logged out. Then he came back with ANOTHER character that was in range to attack us AND red con and fungi twinked, and then faceplanted our entire group.

Guild group broke up after that.

Asked our guildy druid if he could port the rest of us so that we could XP somewhere else. He said he was available to port, but that it'd cost us 150p each.

Logged out and rolled a new blue character. Having fun ever since.

lol, sounds like that could have been me, since you obviously have the bergs. jesus.

Wow, Thugnuts was griefed by TheDuck (or someone like him) who had multiple toons ready to grief him because by god he must be able to grief people no matter what level they are and then this fucknut thinks HE'S the well adjusted one? Yeah, I can't imagine why more people don't want to play on Red.

[derpcake]

was not there then, has no idea

the steps some here go through to rationalize things makes me sad

should have went for psychiatry, good future in that

[solutionx]

I've always been a blue player, but I've seen a friend play his enchanter on RZ at his house years ago during kun/vel.

Didn't look very fun, rewarding, or balanced.

To each their own, really, but if I want a feeling of danger, of risk and reward, there's a better PvP-focused MMO I play for that, with a core design that actually makes it feel like a PvP game, not a PvE game.

[TheDuck]

Wow, Thugnuts was griefed by TheDuck (or someone like him) who had multiple toons ready to grief him because by god he must be able to grief people no matter what level they are and then this fucknut thinks HE'S the well adjusted one? Yeah, I can't imagine why more people don't want to play on Red.

stay off my server, you are to mad to play on red. go back to EC tunnel.

[thufir]

Hi P99, please post the reasons people don't play on Red99. Later, I'm going to make a poll to identify the most popular reasons. I hope to use that data to help the population on Red grow - not necessarily by recruiting from Blue, but from other games as well. No need to rage; just inform me, as though I were new around here.

stay off my server, you are to mad to play on red. go back to EC tunnel.

[TheDuck]

cry more nerd.

[Xaanka]

these threads are always shitthatdidnthappen.txt

[Sillyturtle]

I'd give it a go right now except the population is too small to convince me that it will last.

[maerilith]

In this order?

1. Pixel Lust
2. No Roleplay
3. Everyone betrays their true nature for the pixels, see #1
4. Asperaguz

[maerilith]

^ I lied about this above post, Ever since I started red again, my wood elf has gotten mad respect from all the other elves in game.

[Csihar]

The reason why I don't play on a PVP server is because it's a PVP server. I have never really enjoyed PVP in any capacity. Maybe fast-paced/no loss PVP games like in multiplayer shooters. I don't really know what people get out of it. If it's the enjoyment of defeating someone else then that's something I lack. It's the negation of a negative when someone I fight dies rather than a positive.

Perhaps PVE players generally don't like the added stress and lack of 'peace' and want to fight within a challenging but controlled and predictable setting. They want to defeat the game rather than another person.

I haven't played red but in general I dislike the attitude of a significant amount of PvP'ers. I don't very often get the impression that people are searching for a challenge and attack others because of it. Or attack people in a 'the best defence is a good offence' type of way. Rather it seems they get off simply through the knowledge that they bested someone else.

I played a WoW emulator a little while back. I quit after 2 weeks because it bored me to death but it only had a PvP server and that influenced my decision as well. I absolutely hated trying to gather some quest items but being killed 20 times trying to grab it. It would mostly be people much higher level than I was or groups of people against myself. The odds were in their favour to the point where I could do everything right and I would still die. Eventually I'd just sit down in order to speed up the dying process and try to convey that I had no interest in PvP'ing at that moment. Safe for certain situations I would think that would be enough to deter others but it doesn't. I don't understand the pleasure in it from their side. The thought of them getting enjoyment from killing someone who stood no chance and accomplishing nothing but annoying the other person annoys me.

Now, WoW generally speaking has a much more childish fanbase than EQ but this type of attitude is always present in PvP in some degree.

I guess I can understand the appeal in actually fighting for a camp and it could be quite interesting in a raiding scene but I'd want to turn off PvP for 95% of the game. I'd just want people to leave me the fuck alone. I'm not looking to fight, kindly fuck off.

[Xaanka]

The reason why I don't play on a PVP server is because it's a PVP server. I have never really enjoyed PVP in any capacity. Maybe fast-paced/no loss PVP games like in multiplayer shooters. I don't really know what people get out of it. If it's the enjoyment of defeating someone else then that's something I lack. It's the negation of a negative when someone I fight dies rather than a positive.

Perhaps PVE players generally don't like the added stress and lack of 'peace' and want to fight within a challenging but controlled and predictable setting. They want to defeat the game rather than another person.

I haven't played red but in general I dislike the attitude of a significant amount of PvP'ers. I don't very often get the impression that people are searching for a challenge and attack others because of it. Or attack people in a 'the best defence is a good offence' type of way. Rather it seems they get off simply through the knowledge that they bested someone else.

I played a WoW emulator a little while back. I quit after 2 weeks because it bored me to death but it only had a PvP server and that influenced my decision as well. I absolutely hated trying to gather some quest items but being killed 20 times trying to grab it. It would mostly be people much higher level than I was or groups of people against myself. The odds were in their favour to the point where I could do everything right and I would still die. Eventually I'd just sit down in order to speed up the dying process and try to convey that I had no interest in PvP'ing at that moment. Safe for certain situations I would think that would be enough to deter others but it doesn't. I don't understand the pleasure in it from their side. The thought of them getting enjoyment from killing someone who stood no chance and accomplishing nothing but annoying the other person annoys me.

Now, WoW generally speaking has a much more childish fanbase than EQ but this type of attitude is always present in PvP in some degree.

I guess I can understand the appeal in actually fighting for a camp and it could be quite interesting in a raiding scene but I'd want to turn off PvP for 95% of the game. I'd just want people to leave me the fuck alone. I'm not looking to fight, kindly fuck off.

thats sure a lot of words to say "im a pussy"

[iruinedyourday]

I'd give it a go right now except the population is too small to convince me that it will last.

this is what people were saying 6 years ago about blue.

[Csihar]

thats sure a lot of words to say "im a pussy"

And there you are. Thank you :)