TMO, Bluebies who tried Red! Give me your horror stories of grief and despair

[Smedy]

Hi Blue pals,

I know it's disgusting that Gongshow is trying to lure you into their red server only to grief you, your pal smedy has your back though!

I am making a top 10 reasons not to join Red. As a avid promoter of everquest and pvp i think i'd be doing both you and people looking for pvp a favor by creating this video so no un expecting new player put their foot on red thinking it's going to be:

1. blue
2. red

Share your stories with your pal Smedy and i will include the best ones, lets help save peoples time and sometimes quiet possibly their life

Signed, your pal Smedy

[quido]

I became the most powerful player ever.

[Smedy]

I became the most powerful player ever.

ur good at sports and host the leaderboard which has allowed me to shut down countless of warm bodies arguments, i'll allow it and thank you for your services

[fan D]

reason not to come to red
Fandango Empire Beastagor Friends Lake of Ill Omen 3.75 May 10 2015 2:36:04 PM

u have 2 deal w/ me

[snow_man]

Red is not for the feignt of heart... I haven't played here, but did on live. PVP servers are just brutal by nature.
1) Leveling sucks - nothin like a griefer popping you down to 5% and letting a mob finish you off
2) There goes your loot - If your moving slow, that griefer will save you the exp death just to take that plat off your hands
3) What corpse? - If you want your stuff, wait for said griefer to get bored enough to walk away from your body.
4) No economy - No one pays plat, because its easier to just kill you and loot that plat off of you (sometimes before the trade, sometimes after).
5) What raids? - Your initial guild raids are going to get smashed, usually by the top guild, insisting if you want to kill a mob, you join them.
6) Join or Die - Every live PvP server had 1 dominate guild, if you don't like their rules or their players, sucks to be you.
7) You get level 60 and get in with that top guild, the re-griefing gets boring really fast.
Couldn't come up with 10, I fail.

Pros: Its just fun to make a character get him up the level and be better than that top guilds worst player... Nothin like spoiling the fun for that poor sap. It's a great waste of time, as long as after picking the wrong "poor sap" you don't take someone camping your corpse for 24 hours too personally.

[Evia]

I tried red. I actually liked it for a little while. I liked the thrill of having to watch my back all the time and it added a new social dynamic to the already great social game EQ has to offer. What eventually turned me away though honestly was the toxic community. So much racism, ignorance, hatefulness, bashing and trolling. I mean, being competitive is one thing but being a straight up douchebag all the time and by the great majority of people I ran into quickly turned me off from the server.

I couldn't even auction an item off without someone trying to rip into me about something. It honestly (and I'm not saying this to try to be mean, really being honest here) reminded me of middle school. A bunch of people just yelling obscenities at one another as if they just learned how to swear and talk shit.

Eventually I just got tired of hearing/reading/dealing with it. It wasn't even the pvp just the people there. Pvp must just attract some trashy individuals.

[Kevynne]

tbh i cant think of reasons to not join red other then being unable to roll an alt when you're getting corpse capmed and you're too proud to LNS

[Ella`Ella]

Red is not for the feignt of heart... I haven't played here, but did on live. PVP servers are just brutal by nature.

1) Leveling sucks - nothin like a griefer popping you down to 5% and letting a mob finish you off
- This rarely ever happens. Also, being PvP'd is not the same as being griefed. Being griefed is having a player or group of players continually harass you over and over. A player PvPing you, wants the kill, they don't want a mob to get it...

2) There goes your loot - If your moving slow, that griefer will save you the exp death just to take that plat off your hands
- No one carries plat, you carry gems. You have a level 1 trader in NFP that is PvP protected.
3) What corpse? - If you want your stuff, wait for said griefer to get bored enough to walk away from your body.
- Most people don't corpse camp and you always have the option of Loot and Scoot which allows you to call LNS in /ooc and get your corpse and progress to another zone for 1 hour.
4) No economy - No one pays plat, because its easier to just kill you and loot that plat off of you (sometimes before the trade, sometimes after).
- ... see 2.
5) What raids? - Your initial guild raids are going to get smashed, usually by the top guild, insisting if you want to kill a mob, you join them.
- For a guild starting up, Empire really has no interest in interfering with a new guild's raid. Empire is in ToV on set hours every night and leave quite a bit of content up for any other guild to go after.
6) Join or Die - Every live PvP server had 1 dominate guild, if you don't like their rules or their players, sucks to be you.
- Duh?
7) You get level 60 and get in with that top guild, the re-griefing gets boring really fast.
- I still don't think you know the difference between PvP and griefing

[snow_man]

@Ella sounds like your stuck on #7 trying to get new potentials to grief =p

[Xaanka]

1) Leveling sucks - nothin like a griefer popping you down to 5% and letting a mob finish you off

red has a boosted exp rate, and global ooc chat for organizing groups. i regularly level alts to 60 without powerleveling or any twinking beyond 6/65 rings and hit 60 in a week or two casually.

2) There goes your loot - If your moving slow, that griefer will save you the exp death just to take that plat off your hands

PVP servers force you to become a better player. If you ever become encumbered, you are a bad player, and other players are going to take advantage of your weakness.

3) What corpse? - If you want your stuff, wait for said griefer to get bored enough to walk away from your body.

You can Loot and Scoot on red

4) No economy - No one pays plat, because its easier to just kill you and loot that plat off of you (sometimes before the trade, sometimes after).

Global OOC chat, there's definitely an economy and if anything it beats the shit out of blue because you can auction things while you're actually playing the game. Everyone trades on alt characters of random levels, so you can't get PKed due to the +/-4 level range PVP. Just camp over to your freeport mule it's as simple as that.

5) What raids? - Your initial guild raids are going to get smashed, usually by the top guild, insisting if you want to kill a mob, you join them.

this is a pretty solid point. top guild on red lets anyone apply who isn't a sperger or server reject, but there aren't any real viable alternative guilds on the server. there's an extremely casual guild, and then a pvp guild that's trashcan at raiding.

6) Join or Die - Every live PvP server had 1 dominate guild, if you don't like their rules or their players, sucks to be you.

dominant guild on red pretty much only cares about killing dragons, they could care less what other guilds are doing tbqh

7) You get level 60 and get in with that top guild, the re-griefing gets boring really fast.

its all in the eye of the beholder


would agree with more of your points if the p99 pvp server was like the live pvp servers, but its not.

[Xaanka]

Hi Blue pals,

I know it's disgusting that Gongshow is trying to lure you into their red server only to grief you, your pal smedy has your back though!

I am making a top 10 reasons not to join Red. As a avid promoter of everquest and pvp i think i'd be doing both you and people looking for pvp a favor by creating this video so no un expecting new player put their foot on red thinking it's going to be:

1. blue
2. red

Share your stories with your pal Smedy and i will include the best ones, lets help save peoples time and sometimes quiet possibly their life

Signed, your pal Smedy

http://i.imgur.com/xrGyPOJ.png

[mjbcb0717]

They need to just make a green server....everyone's naked you level to 60 naked do quests naked and form a human cintipeede in EC tunnel

[Phantasm]

My time on red:

Got to level 15 in no time! My initial experiences with PvP were fun and exciting. Usually wound up grouping with them afterwards. A group was formed in Kurns yielding the fattest of xp... until the twin twinls arrived. For minutes we sparred, our group of 5 hard pressed to fight off the twinks. But we prevailed, causing them to zone multiple times and eventually limp away.

That was when it all changed. Shortly after a level 60 monk arrived in our camp announcing that we lost after all. They proceeded to slay every mob in our camp for the next hour and a half.

Such is red

[Xaanka]

how can a 60 monk keep up with killing all the spawns in kurns? doesn't add up. sounds like you were really stuck in that blue "gotta stay at my camp!!!!" mentality. there's more dungeon you could have crawled to.

[heartbrand]

My time on red:

Got to level 15 in no time! My initial experiences with PvP were fun and exciting. Usually wound up grouping with them afterwards. A group was formed in Kurns yielding the fattest of xp... until the twin twinls arrived. For minutes we sparred, our group of 5 hard pressed to fight off the twinks. But we prevailed, causing them to zone multiple times and eventually limp away.

That was when it all changed. Shortly after a level 60 monk arrived in our camp announcing that we lost after all. They proceeded to slay every mob in our camp for the next hour and a half.

Such is red

That's a failure on the staff's part

[joppykid]

how can a 60 monk keep up with killing all the spawns in kurns? doesn't add up. sounds like you were really stuck in that blue "gotta stay at my camp!!!!" mentality. there's more dungeon you could have crawled to.

All the Monk would have to do is follow them around and kill their mobs they are fighting. Wouldn't be hard at all to cock block a group in Kurns with a 60 monk.

[Xaanka]

All the Monk would have to do is follow them around and kill their mobs they are fighting. Wouldn't be hard at all to cock block a group in Kurns with a 60 monk.

could just fraps or /petition and that monk is b& though, if there's one thing that actually gets enforced on red it's don't fuck with noobs on your level 60

[joppykid]

could just fraps or /petition and that monk is b& though, if there's one thing that actually gets enforced on red it's don't fuck with noobs on your level 60

Well yeah, I was responding to you asking how a 60 monk could keep up with spawns in Kurns. Obviously the behavior is frowned upon.

[Xaanka]

ya fair, i got the vibes from that post that he was trying to imply the monk was clearing the entire zone but that's a reasonable explanation.

[Smedy]

My time on red:

Got to level 15 in no time! My initial experiences with PvP were fun and exciting. Usually wound up grouping with them afterwards. A group was formed in Kurns yielding the fattest of xp... until the twin twinls arrived. For minutes we sparred, our group of 5 hard pressed to fight off the twinks. But we prevailed, causing them to zone multiple times and eventually limp away.

That was when it all changed. Shortly after a level 60 monk arrived in our camp announcing that we lost after all. They proceeded to slay every mob in our camp for the next hour and a half.

Such is red

simply disgusting behavior , thanks for share. I will include the report in my upcoming promo vid

[Smedy]

That's a failure on the staff's part

thin ice my friend, i have a straight line to rogean technologies (http://coreserver.net/stuff/ROGEAN-TECH.mp3), i'm willing to look past those claims if you behave from here on out, thanks

[Xaanka]

man u must be really bored ever since the GM's told you guys that they'll start banning your mains for dispelling/training raids on level 50's.

wonder if they'll read one of your posts bragging about being a toxic piece of shit and just ban you to save themselves the effort later.

like lol half the people i know in your own guild don't even like you, talk mad shit about u in tells on the reg. nobody respects you.

[Smedy]

struck a nerve

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Checkmark.svg

keep the reports coming, together we make sure no one else has to suffer the grief, lets make this place a better place shall we?

[Xaanka]

dont see a check mark, your already shit post just became a total flop

man you're such a cuck. swedish and leading a guild who gets cucked 4 days a week monday thru thursday, full of players who don't respect u and talk shit on the regular behind your back.

[Smedy]

dont see a check mark, your already shit post just became a total flop

man you're such a cuck. swedish and leading a guild who gets cucked 4 days a week monday thru thursday, full of players who don't respect u and talk shit on the regular behind your back.

see here my blue friends, i don't even know this person and he makes both real life attacks against me and also makes up rumors, this is what could await you if you came to red, heed my warning

stay away.

[Seltius]

I don't know which is more disturbing..

The fact that Smedy is loose from the Red forums.

The fact that he and Xaanka are debating and bickering on Blue RNF. Obviously slow night on Red forums.

Or

The fact that there is so much misinformation going around about Red. Snow maybe you should try the server for a little while before posting things like that as if they are facts. Most of what you posted is inaccurate and may happen very rarely but isn't normal.


At this point try Red or don't try Red its up to you. You are either making the best or worst decision of your life on a 16yr old game. /shrug No one can make the decision for you.

[Xaanka]

see here my blue friends, i don't even know this person and he makes both real life attacks against me and also makes up rumors, this is what could await you if you came to red, heed my warning

stay away.

or maybe i'm just poking fun @ the fact that you were constantly making posts on the forums about cuckolding a couple months ago, when you're literally from sweden cuckold capitol of the planet

context ya feel me??

[Xaanka]

The fact that Smedy is loose from the Red forums.

The fact that he and Xaanka are debating and bickering on Blue RNF. Obviously slow night on Red forums.

we've been actively going at each other in like 5 different threads all night, its been pretty fun :]

[EatitNerd]

Lol @ people who think Empire cares about a start up guild, they've done nothing but help upstart guilds. TMO got hundreds of thousands of plat worth of items just given to them, also empire helped them down vindi a time or two because they were good sports about some pvp (was 8 empire vs 30 tmo mind you).

Our "casual" (lol they play more than anyone else on the server) called casual scum do plenty of raids with no interference, granted they do log out all 24 of them out if 1 empire zones in. Red is alot of fun to be honest, nerds, and honestly the FQ is alot better once you know who to ignore.

P.s. this is coming from a former Taken member (pm me if you want some pixels on red, rings of lightning, mithril boots etc all going to alts, this is the type of stuff that'd be given to a startup guild prolly on day 1)

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Best bet for a good time of red is to go over, talk to empire and express interest in joining them once leveled, get help from them, join them and raid, get ur bis, then join one of the smaller guilds to pvp with

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

If a blue player comes over with a different plan you probably won't make it to 60 before you quit

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Also the raid scene on red isn't totally different from Blue, if a guild pops up that poses a real threat of competition unrelenting RLY attacks and petition questing will ensue until bans n software crumble the lesser guild. That's just p99 raiding tho. Gotta have an ultra clean whistle and super thick skin otherwise gtfo

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

RL *

[mjbcb0717]

I used to go find higher groups and would follow them around knowing they couldn't kill me and tell them story's of my travels trough the lands and seas And narrate their pulls and deaths as we went along lol. I might do this again it was fun

[Troubled]

I don't know which is more disturbing..

The fact that Smedy is loose from the Red forums.

The fact that he and Xaanka are debating and bickering on Blue RNF. Obviously slow night on Red forums.


Red RNF is garbage with billy and azure posting again.

[bktroost]

Global spam of PRAS. I feel like the only sentient life form in a sea of squeaking lemmings.

[Fame]

Global spam of PRAS. I feel like the only sentient life form in a sea of squeaking lemmings.

PRAS is a cultural element of red99, all of those people know each other and are simply sharing a joke. Think of it as a ongoing group conversation you chose to not be part of instead opting to complain about it on 27 year old elfsim forums in a thinly veiled attempt at making yourself seem better than others. Pathetic.

[derpcake]

praise the sun

[Aviann]

I'm not a TMO kid but when I tried Red I make an iksar necromancer and had a good time leveling up to 21 until I found out I couldn't find my level 20 pet spell on Kunark and got discouraged. I killed a few people in Kurns but it got boring because they would zone in and attack you while medding, and then when you best them, they'd constantly zone in and out until you either outsmart them or get tired.

Would do again in the future when I can smoke weed again.

[snow_man]

The fact that there is so much misinformation going around about Red. Snow maybe you should try the server for a little while before posting things like that as if they are facts. Most of what you posted is inaccurate and may happen very rarely but isn't normal.

Maybe you should learn to read before being allowed to use forums. No where in there did I say that was red facts, I said quite the opposite. "I haven't played here, but did on live."

I wish I could blame some peoples special ed skills on common core, unfortunately it wasn't even started yet when Seltius started reading.

For those that feel "Red is Great!" Why spend so much time recruiting on the Blue RnF?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55 You have your own.

[Archalen]

When I joined red, this notion that there were superior PVPers there was unproven. As a simple blueblie, I transferred about 3k there, made an SK, and had a roughly 8:1 KD ratio. I would have killed a Tstaff monk with my shitty Green Jade Halberd if he wouldn't have plugged.

There are a handful of extremely talented PVPers there, and the rest are garbage who only win through huge gear advantage and/or a numbers advantage.

It's a pick your poison scenario between red and blue. I give blue the edge slightly because of more normal people.

[Videri]

Best bet for a good time of red is to go over, talk to empire and express interest in joining them once leveled, get help from them, join them and raid, get ur bis, then join one of the smaller guilds to pvp with

Do people really do this? I might make an anonymous poll.

[Arteker]

I became the most powerful player ever.

u still lost to me old pal .
hows ur cokking skill nowdays.

[Kevynne]

PRAS is a cultural element of red99, all of those people know each other and are simply sharing a joke. Think of it as a ongoing group conversation you chose to not be part of instead opting to complain about it on 27 year old elfsim forums in a thinly veiled attempt at making yourself seem better than others. Pathetic.

^ pras to box, good shit

Do people really do this? I might make an anonymous poll.

yes. many flowers would do it back before dayze died and chewie got banned. I'm confident that many CS/Friends did the same thing but i could be wrong.

[nhdjoseywales]

I tried red. I actually liked it for a little while. I liked the thrill of having to watch my back all the time and it added a new social dynamic to the already great social game EQ has to offer. What eventually turned me away though honestly was the toxic community. So much racism, ignorance, hatefulness, bashing and trolling. I mean, being competitive is one thing but being a straight up douchebag all the time and by the great majority of people I ran into quickly turned me off from the server.

I couldn't even auction an item off without someone trying to rip into me about something. It honestly (and I'm not saying this to try to be mean, really being honest here) reminded me of middle school. A bunch of people just yelling obscenities at one another as if they just learned how to swear and talk shit.

Eventually I just got tired of hearing/reading/dealing with it. It wasn't even the pvp just the people there. Pvp must just attract some trashy individuals.


i like how no one disputes this post.

[Uuruk]

i like how no one disputes this post.

That's because it's Eunomia.

[nhdjoseywales]

That's because it's Eunomia.

or because red is a toxic piece of shit even worse than blue (altho its hard to believe thats actually possible)

[nhdjoseywales]

On Phinny, the biggest drama we have had was last night when someone yelled at someone else for eating in mumble during sky raid. its just a nice place to play.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Do people really do this? I might make an anonymous poll.

Nah, most people go join empire and stay with them, then just join saying there isn't enough competition or pvp. Not knocking them as I did the same thing with nihilum. I left blue and followed a blue pal to nihilum, made more friends once in the guild and became attached, I was part of the no competition problem in that era, most blue players that go over only do it for the easy path to raiding and getting best in slot, some of them end up getting into pvp and being pretty good. I ended up enjoying pvp a lot more than I thought I would but had a hard time staying interested after nihilum got disbanded as many of my friends never came back, the ones that stayed mostly joined empire and I didn't want to since they were responsible for getting nizzar banned and breaking up nihilum.

[veemoda]

Are you a drug dealer in real life and/or been to prison? If yes, join Red. You will like it. You'll understand it.


Otherwise don't.




Drug addicts and alcoholics are welcome as well.

[Muggens]

I like the Red server, but Ive not played all that much on it.
I made a character there with the idea of trying to stay alive and roleplay myself out of dangerous situations, which was quite funny and immersive. I made a bunch of /say macros Id could flash out quick when attacked by crazies. My erudite would not attack other people without a provocation, would stay on the toes around trolls, ogres and other folks of suspicious nature and I managed to not stay alive in CB area for 15 levels at least.
But alas, one day I stepped out of the treehouse platform and some geared up Elf Paladin attacked my back, I couldnt do anything to him either because of the guards was on his side. I said "Hold it brotha Paladin, what have come into you, attacking your bretheren instead of giving a helping hand!?" Well, lets say that didnt help and he kept killing me over and over again before I camped. Will check in some day maybe, but havent gotten the urge yet.
I did also get the Gitmo treatment once, you know where you get blinded and raped and left with just a sliver of hp to just feel the shame take over. It happened in CB, he zoned out, perhaps embarresed, but I sent him a tell, asking him if these kinda things also happened to him when he came to these lands, and that he forever after just had the urge to drop into Crushbone and do the same to other younglings, if it helped his trauma? Dunno, maybe something triggered in his brain because he returned and healed my wounds and gave me some buffs.
I would recommend Red sure.

[Tewaz]

I got to 57 on Red and enjoyed it a decent amount. The server really is full of some of the saddest humans I have ever encountered. High unemployment rate and an attitude of absolute deprivation toward healthy and meaningful lives abounded. I would guess half the server are very depressed and lonely individuals. It was fun being able to meet some great people to really bond with and have each others backs, but the low population made it brutal when you couldn't play with those people.

The people that play are the best pvpers I've seen in any game and they are incredibly creative in the ways they will try to attack you. I really liked the idea of raiding with pvp as a possibility since blue raiding is one of the most frustrating things I ever witnessed. The reality is that the same factor that governs raids on blue applies to red: he with the least real life responsibilities gets the raid target. I would love to pvp your raid, but I'm not getting up at 3 AM on a Tuesday to do it.

I recommend red. It is one of the most unique gaming experiences available, but I recommend you leave when you hit level 52+ to avoid interacting with humans that are stuck in eternal neckbeard purgatory.

[veemoda]

The people that play are the best pvpers I've seen in any game and they are incredibly creative in the ways they will try to attack you.





This.

[Heebo]

I would love to pvp your raid, but I'm not getting up at 3 AM on a Tuesday to do it.

This is not the case. ALL raid mobs are left up for a minimum of 48 hours and all raids occur between 7pm and 11pm EST allowing any smaller guilds unrestricted access to any raid encounter.

[brecon]

The biggest problem for a leveling character is if a 'PVPer' finds you, they will make sure you leave the zone. They don't really care how - they want the kill, but if you take an xp death or plug, they are okay with that too. If they start losing the encounter, they will just train your group and kill everyone. Beastagor is famous for fearing your pets (even OOR characters), then trying to snipe a YT during the confusion...nevermind the fact that the entire group will wipe as a result.

Also, most PVPers don't care about taking an xp death (ex: Rogues). They'll get a rez. The YT is more important to them than the pain of moving over a cleric to get a rez.

Knowing that these are the scum you are dealing with, any tactic is legitimate. Don't force yourself to play by anyone else's rules. Camping to avoid PVP, running away, snaring mobs at the ZL are all legit tactics. I think these are the important things for a Blue player to know coming over: PVPers only attack when the odds are in their favor, so never allow them to take advantage of that.

The most fun I had was one day I was in a full xp leveling group with a druid, and this group of Empire wouldn't stop wandering around Norrath trying to prevent us from xping. They even came to Kedge Keep. We were all sub-60, most sub-56, and outmatched. So every time this group found us, we just ported out to our next XP location. They must have wasted 4 hours running around without a single engage.

[brecon]

edit: even when OOR characters are present. You can't fear an OOR toon's pet obvi.

[Juevento]

Population aside, the rule set on red is really poorly conceived. It should be absolutely forbidden to attack someone while they are engaged on a mob. If you cause someone exp loss, you ought to eat a ban or suspension for griefing.

The loot and scoot rule is backwards, should be the killer enforcing it not the dead person invoking it.

Finally, the no teams thing is really unfortunate. As someone who only played Live on VZ, the no teams thing is really a killer.

Fix those things, then come begging for people to play there.

[derpcake]

Population aside, the rule set on red is really poorly conceived. It should be absolutely forbidden to attack someone while they are engaged on a mob. If you cause someone exp loss, you ought to eat a ban or suspension for griefing.

The loot and scoot rule is backwards, should be the killer enforcing it not the dead person invoking it.

Finally, the no teams thing is really unfortunate. As someone who only played Live on VZ, the no teams thing is really a killer.

Fix those things, then come begging for people to play there.

as a casual in thunderdome, ex-empire, no

engaging people in raid gear while they are quad-kiting is an A+ strat for casuals

[Raev]

The 10 reasons are all 'the toxic community'. When I tried Red I really wanted to like it if only to escape the idiocy known as variance. I even transferred like 200k blue pp over. But I concluded I would rather stab my eye out with a sharp pencil then spend significant time with the people that inhabit that server.

[veemoda]

I would guess half the server are very depressed and lonely individuals.

[maskedmelon]

The 10 reasons are all 'the toxic community'. When I tried Red I really wanted to like it if only to escape the idiocy known as variance. I even transferred like 200k blue pp over. But I concluded I would rather stab my eye out with a sharp pencil then spend significant time with the people that inhabit that server.

May I have your stuff?

[Speedi]

Serious question: What is a cuck?

[veemoda]

A cuck is an insult, aimed at calling someone a bitch. It's really ironic to see it used on a forum for ghouls and elves.

[maskedmelon]

Serious question: What is a cuck?

A man who is aroused by watching another man have sex with his (the first man's) significant other.

[Pokesan]

A cuck is an insult, aimed at calling someone a bitch. It's really ironic to see it used on a forum for ghouls and elves.

Super Dorks 'n Goblins

[JurisDictum]

I don't know exactly how to put my finger on it. When I was younger I loved EQ PvP. Those feelings evaporated sometime after I played Vanilla WoW. One of the things I loved about WoW when it came out -- what that people actually would fight you! Skill was more important than gear. There wasn't so much BS insta-gating, plug-pulling, warping (it was really bad on SZ with the warps).

It just was never that good of a PvP game. I am also vaguely suspicious one of the reasons some people never quit EQ PvP -- is because that is the game they know how to hack on. EQ always had a huge problem with hacks that is completely absent in modern MMO PvP.

[Arteker]

I don't know exactly how to put my finger on it. When I was younger I loved EQ PvP. Those feelings evaporated sometime after I played Vanilla WoW. One of the things I loved about WoW when it came out -- what that people actually would fight you! Skill was more important than gear. There wasn't so much BS insta-gating, plug-pulling, warping (it was really bad on SZ with the warps).

It just was never that good of a PvP game. I am also vaguely suspicious one of the reasons some people never quit EQ PvP -- is because that is the game they know how to hack on. EQ always had a huge problem with hacks that is completely absent in modern MMO PvP.

untill u meet a enhacement shaman with windfury and all ur skill was moot when orc shamay force of nature or adamantite axe your face