Open Invitation

[Heebo]

I'd like to reach out to the pals I made while I played on this server. I know some of you are disillusioned by the raid scene and rules put in place to keep the competition "fair". In short, it's been a disaster.

This server is comprised of way to many high end raiders participating in an arms race. People are pushing the envelope of what's acceptable and creating an amazing razor's edge of competition. Unfortunately, this is often at the expense of new rules being created to stifle creativity and encourage more time invested into preparing for raids, tracking, and logging in instantly at any hour of the day.

At this point, it's pretty clear. You're not playing a game anymore. Some of the most fun I've had were the rush of those old PD races. It was exhilarating, but it came at the cost of sitting at your chair with your hand hovering on your keyboard for up to 16 hours at a time. This just seems insane to me now.

I left this server just over a year ago to start fresh on red. I joined at a time when cross server transfers were legal but I didn't really utilize them. I started fresh on a server without any gear on a class I've never played before (Necromancer) and without any clue how to PvP.

It was more rewarding than I can even express. Seeing the game in a whole new way without the stress of petition quest was amazing.

I joined a small guild and we leveled up quickly. I was level 35 before I even upgraded my starter level 1 robe. Yes, we came across fungi twinks. Yes, they killed a few of us but the xp rate was so accelerated that you never had to worry about the same twink for more than a day before you had leveled beyond their range (+ or - 4 levels).

I had a blast. Level 30 pvp was just as thrilling as any PD race. I died. I learned. I made more friends with the people fighting me than any random groups on blue. I felt like I did playing eq for the first time 15 years ago. I just saw PvP as a method to resolve disputes without GMs. A red friend who came from blue said, "it's like trying to describe what sex is like to someone whose never had it."

I'm not going to say it's perfect but I will say it's nothing like the toxic community these forums make it out to be. It's the same as blue - there's good and bad but overwhelmingly more good people. The absence of variance or insane raid rules more than makes up for a handful of Crushbone griefers.

If a group of people were to come from blue and form up on red, you would be surprised at how easily you could establish a foothold on the raid scene. I know you guys have seen this thread a thousand times in a thousand ways but being able to raid at set times 3 hours a night, 4 nights a week is something that everyone should be able to do in velious, even without joining the top guild. Here's a writeup from Gongshow in empire on the topic:

Sleepless in Norrath: Thoughts on Blue, Red, Competition and more. (http://www.empirer99.com)
Posted by Admin on February 9, 2016
Posted in: Uncategorized.
(Also a shameless plug for our great server!)

Hi.

Let me preface this by saying that this is in no way a troll, or an attempt to slander our Blue brothers. What I want this to be is a spark. A catalyst that ignites a more intelligent discussion on the age old debate: Blue vs. Red.

Why now? The answer is obvious. The Sleeper is now awake on Blue. The community is at each other’s throats. Guild suspensions are rampant. Red stands to offer everyone a new way of life. One that is free from the constraints of insane rules, 16 hour variance windows, and a primal-less and Warder-less future. That’s right – I want those of you who are jaded and confused to look to Red. Start fresh. Control your own destiny. Play EverQuest how it was meant to be played.

UNDERSTANDING RED

The biggest roadblock to the Red server has always been misunderstanding. Red is played up to be a toxic server full of trash talking and training and griefing. It is viewed as a prison of sorts, to “keep those players off of Blue.” This could not be further from the truth. Sure, you will find your share of griefers and trash talking, but overall, the server is in a great place.

The rules on Blue and the rules on Red are night and day. Blue has variance. Red does not. Blue has FTE. Red does not. Blue has convoluted raid rules that require a law degree to understand. Red does not.

What does this mean in terms of real gameplay?

Variance: On Blue, guilds need to be ready within a 16 hour window to engage their raid targets. This generally requires a raid force on standby, a person ducking Call of the Hero for up to 15+ hours, and a person waiting to spam a Mallet on a mob. Often times this is done with the help of autofire programs. On Red, there is no variance. The mob spawns exactly 3, 5, 7 days from when it was killed. Everyone knows the timers. You can show up and prepare however you see fit, and the winner gets the dragon. No bullshit.

First to Engage: On Blue, once a guild is in position, the FTE is the deciding factor on who gets to kill the dragon. On Red, you claim your dragons by winning the PVP and being ready for the spawn. No bullshit.

Raid rules: On Blue, Variance and FTE and numerous other factors including “stalling”, training, not having sufficient forces on FTE, camping in the wrong part of the zone for a mob, etc. can affect whether or not you actually get to keep the loot from the dragon you just killed, or whether your guild will be suspended from raiding for a week. On Red, the only thing stopping you from another dragon is your enemy. No bullshit.

Notice the common theme: No bullshit. Red offers you the ability to play EverQuest and take matters into your own hands without asinine rules and hoops to jump through. You secure the zone, you take your targets, and you leave. No bullshit.

THE RAID SCENE

Empire currently reigns supreme, and there is no end in sight. We make no bones about that. To be blunt, the uphill battle for a number 2 to overthrow Empire at this point, is extremely steep. That being said, number 2 is currently a mixture of Friends and Casual Scum (and sometimes both), though neither have the leadership or solid reputation to make big enough waves. This is where Blue could come into play.

With a solid game plan and some thick skin, a crew of 150 players from Blue could come over and be level 60 in a month, work on epics and Growth gear, Kunark targets, weaker Velious targets, etc. and be well ingrained into the raid scene within 3 months tops. All it requires is some level headed leadership and willingness to succeed, two things the Red server guilds outside of Empire severely lack.

LEAVING BLUE BEHIND

If you are worried about starting over, realize that outside of the few legacy items, everything can be obtained on Red. The XP rates are faster, more camps are open, and even if they aren’t – you have the ability to literally take ANY camp that you want, at ANY time. Pretty great right?

Another issue that is always a hot topic is the population. Sure, Red is never going to be as dense as Blue. It never was on Live, it never will be here. That being said, do not let the numbers fool you. On average, say Blue has 1000 players online. Red has 250. How many of those players on Blue are AFK, or sitting in EC spamming sales? 250-300? How many are just logging on and chatting in /gu, or sitting in a zone not really “playing” EQ? Another 100? How many are boxing? Subtract some of the bullshit, and you are left with maybe 600-700 people actively engaged in EverQuest. On Red, everyone is ALWAYS actively engaged because you can’t AFK. If you log into Red, you need to be ready to fight at any given time. The population difference isn’t as bad as it seems at a glance, and is certainly nothing to worry about.

Lastly, the grief. You have our word that we will not grief or disrupt your raids, just as we did not grief TMO’s when they came to Red. Sure, we may show up and fight you, probably kill you here and there, but we will always rez you up and allow you to continue your raid, possibly even help you with it. We will also help fend off “real” grief from the other guilds on the server until you are comfortable standing on your own. There are plenty of mobs for the taking here due to the nature of our schedule and the incompetence of current competition – come seize the opportunity.

DISCLAIMER: For those that are appalled at the ability to kill other players in game, let us remind you and reassure you: EverQuest is a PVE game first and foremost. It always has been, and always will be. The Red server is still PVE-centric. It’s not “Counter Strike with Elves” – it’s just EverQuest. EverQuest that gives you the opportunity to take matters into your own hands and resolve disputes without the need for GM intervention and threads dedicated to guild suspensions.

TL:DR

Come to Red.

There is no better time than right now. Talk it over with your friends and your guild(s) and take the plunge. I guarantee once you get your footing, you will never look back – just ask any of the many Blue to Red converts that make up the Red server today.

Hope to see some of you in the future.

Project 1999 Red: No bullshit. Just EverQuest.

If you're interested in starting on red please shoot me a PM. I can help out with some starter weapons or plat for spells.

Thanks for reading,

Heebo/Yibz

[indiscriminate_hater]

tldr

[Ella`Ella]

Cringe

[arsenalpow]

This all made sense, and I'm not even trying to troll here, but let's assume an entire blue guild moved to red, and let's even use BDA as the example (we're talking a 150 person casual roster, 40-50 usually for a scheduled raid) - what's to stop Empire from just mollywhopping them?

Empire is going to have a MASSIVE advantage in gear, in numbers, and in pvp experience. If the allure of red is that it's this place to pvp sometimes and raid casually what's the difference between what BDA is doing right now on blue versus attempting to crack the very high end content on red and getting summarily crushed? I could maybe see something like this working if /movelog was a thing, but I can't see any entire guild moving from blue and grinding through levels and gear only to know that a full NToV/ST geared army of Unsullied awaits.

[Pokesan]

"it's like trying to describe what sex is like to someone whose never had it."

[Ella`Ella]

But on the real, Red IS infinitely better than this sewer.

[iruinedyourday]

But on the real, Red IS infinitely better than this sewer.

[iruinedyourday]

This all made sense, and I'm not even trying to troll here, but let's assume an entire blue guild moved to red, and let's even use BDA as the example (we're talking a 150 person casual roster, 40-50 usually for a scheduled raid) - what's to stop Empire from just mollywhopping them?

Empire is going to have a MASSIVE advantage in gear, in numbers, and in pvp experience. If the allure of red is that it's this place to pvp sometimes and raid casually what's the difference between what BDA is doing right now on blue versus attempting to crack the very high end content on red and getting summarily crushed? I could maybe see something like this working if /movelog was a thing, but I can't see any entire guild moving from blue and grinding through levels and gear only to know that a full NToV/ST geared army of Unsullied awaits.

Id be totally fine with people /movelog but maybe we'll just haev to wait till RE99 lets you choose which server to send your alt to when it resets.

I mean we've been playing the long con here, as in 5 years of kunark... whos to say we wont have 15 of vel!

[ridiculousmoose]

you have the ability to literally take ANY camp that you want, at ANY time. Pretty great right?

Got a good laugh about this part... yes and at ANY time anyone can just come right in with their better gear and take ANY camp from you! Sounds like so much fun!

Stopped reading... it's just your bullshit utopian view of eq pvp to try and recruit. There is a reason the server has so little population.

[arsenalpow]

Id be totally fine with people /movelog but maybe we'll just haev to wait till RE99 lets you choose which server to send your alt to when it resets.

I mean we've been playing the long con here, as in 5 years of kunark... whos to say we wont have 15 of vel!

I honestly believe that movelog is the only legitimate option to get people on red. Blue players don want to start from scratch, especially when they have resources on the blue server to twink an alt or play with all their blue friends. Even PvP is the goal why isn't some sort of battle server available? You can move a copy of your blue or red toon into the battle server and have some fun. Crushbone battle arena was a fun distraction, same kinda concept would work.

[Nirgon]

Raid mobs are left up all the time on red

With some bard know how and that group xp bonus/open camps, rerolling there is very painless

[Heebo]

I honestly believe that movelog is the only legitimate option to get people on red. Blue players don want to start from scratch, especially when they have resources on the blue server to twink an alt or play with all their blue friends. Even PvP is the goal why isn't some sort of battle server available? You can move a copy of your blue or red toon into the battle server and have some fun. Crushbone battle arena was a fun distraction, same kinda concept would work.

I'd love a movelog option personally.

[Heebo]

Got a good laugh about this part... yes and at ANY time anyone can just come right in with their better gear and take ANY camp from you! Sounds like so much fun!

Stopped reading... it's just your bullshit utopian view of eq pvp to try and recruit. There is a reason the server has so little population.
Like I said in OP, I started with nothing. With a couple pals I was able to farm whatever I wanted. Got pushed out a few times, sure but more often than not we were taking what we wanted.

[ridiculousmoose]

Like I said in OP, I started with nothing. With a couple pals I was able to farm whatever I wanted. Got pushed out a few times, sure but more often than not we were taking what we wanted.

See but I see that from the other side.. then you were taking from some other poor soul that was just trying to have a good time.

That said, nice post. First well thought out intelligent 'try red' post I've seen... but the unbalanced eq pvp scene just isn't for most people. Your solution to it's problems are 'travel with a group'...

[Nibblewitz]

Like I said in OP, I started with nothing. With a couple pals I was able to farm whatever I wanted. Got pushed out a few times, sure but more often than not we were taking what we wanted.

I don't think anyone should move from blue to red. These red players have a good thing going for them and things might change if there are 2 or more people in each zone.

[maskedmelon]

See but I see that from the other side.. then you were taking from some other poor soul that was just trying to have a good time.

That said, nice post. First well thought out intelligent 'try red' post I've seen... but the unbalanced eq pvp scene just isn't for most people. Your solution to it's problems are 'travel with a group'...

I understand where you are coming for because that is how I viewed red... Until I tried it. The number or obstacle for blue players will be adopting the mindset needed to have fun on a pvp server. Even many players on red struggle with it. The key is to not be a poor sport. Someone pushes you out of a camp? Get better. They are higher level? Level up. They have better gear? Get better gear. They brought friends? Bring some friends. There is always a solution. Like pve those solutions require time investment. Unlike pve you can't cry to an authority or attempt to lawyer your way out of defeat. You lost? Accept it and resolve to do better ^^ Ask the person who defeated you for pointers. Invite them to your group. Have fun.

There are jackasses for sure, but I would say in no greater proportion (and likely lower) than on blue.

[arsenalpow]

I understand where you are coming for because that is how I viewed red... Until I tried it. The number or obstacle for blue players will be adopting the mindset needed to have fun on a pvp server. Even many players on red struggle with it. The key is to not be a poor sport. Someone pushes you out of a camp? Get better. They are higher level? Level up. They have better gear? Get better gear. They brought friends? Bring some friends. There is always a solution. Like pve those solutions require time investment. Unlike pve you can't cry to an authority or attempt to lawyer your way out of defeat. You lost? Accept it and resolve to do better ^^ Ask the person who defeated you for pointers. Invite them to your group. Have fun.

There are jackasses for sure, but I would say in no greater proportion (and likely lower) than on blue.

So you basically said "git guud"

It still doesn't answer my question of what happens when you cap out and Empire is the barrier? Is "get better" still applicable? That's going to be the mindset of people coming from blue. If anything this is an advertisement for Empire life. High end uncontested raiding on a friendly schedule with PvP in your spare time wearing best in slot gear. That's the allure of red. Troubledour told me so.

[Nibblewitz]

It seems 5 years of Kunark has done more damage to red than blue.

[Legday]

Some virgin created Legday on red already. I'm not rerolling name.

[Heebo]

So you basically said "git guud"

It still doesn't answer my question of what happens when you cap out and Empire is the barrier? Is "get better" still applicable? That's going to be the mindset of people coming from blue. If anything this is an advertisement for Empire life. High end uncontested raiding on a friendly schedule with PvP in your spare time wearing best in slot gear. That's the allure of red. Troubledour told me so.

Same thing that happens on blue when you cap out but rampage or forsaken is the barrier. Keep playing casually or contest. Plus, I imagine it would be pretty satisfying sinking an axe into Hokushin, Detoxx, or Chest instead of petitioning your next dispute.

[Ella`Ella]

Some virgin created Legday on red already. I'm not rerolling name.

And the person who plays Legday is terrible.

[maskedmelon]

So you basically said "git guud"

It still doesn't answer my question of what happens when you cap out and Empire is the barrier? Is "get better" still applicable? That's going to be the mindset of people coming from blue. If anything this is an advertisement for Empire life. High end uncontested raiding on a friendly schedule with PvP in your spare time wearing best in slot gear. That's the allure of red. Troubledour told me so.

Well "have fun" is the ethos of success on red, though if your fun is hampered by being pk'd the , yes "git guud" is the mantra. That doesn't differ markedly from Blue.

NToV/ST gear does have an impact on pvp, but it's not an I win button. Clickies in general have more impact.

[Stormfists]

@OP,

Next time just type "Join Red" and save me the hassle of thinking this thread was serious.

[Freakish]

But I don't want to pvp.

[Legday]

And the person who plays Legday is terrible.

A terrible, try-hard virgin.

I guess Russell Wilson plays p99.

[Redi]

This all made sense, and I'm not even trying to troll here, but let's assume an entire blue guild moved to red, and let's even use BDA as the example (we're talking a 150 person casual roster, 40-50 usually for a scheduled raid) - what's to stop Empire from just mollywhopping them?

Empire is going to have a MASSIVE advantage in gear, in numbers, and in pvp experience. If the allure of red is that it's this place to pvp sometimes and raid casually what's the difference between what BDA is doing right now on blue versus attempting to crack the very high end content on red and getting summarily crushed? I could maybe see something like this working if /movelog was a thing, but I can't see any entire guild moving from blue and grinding through levels and gear only to know that a full NToV/ST geared army of Unsullied awaits.

Yeah, you're right. Better to just not try in fear of trying because of "maybe" and "would if" and "what's to stop x from y".

You're the typical beta faggot that is happy to wake up when your phone rings for a 3am muster and try to be the first jav throne.

It's truly pathetic and is the train of thought of both blue and reds "other" guilds.

[Heebo]

But I don't want to pvp.

PvP on one side.

Petitions, tracking, variance, rule lawyering and absurd GM rulings on the other. I know which one I'm picking every time.

PvP is scary the first few times you do it. So is training fear for a CT engage. Or running up to pull Phara Dar with everyone counting on you. It gets easier each time you do it and eventually becomes the most fun part of the game.

[Colgate]

This all made sense, and I'm not even trying to troll here, but let's assume an entire blue guild moved to red, and let's even use BDA as the example (we're talking a 150 person casual roster, 40-50 usually for a scheduled raid) - what's to stop Empire from just mollywhopping them?

Empire is going to have a MASSIVE advantage in gear, in numbers, and in pvp experience. If the allure of red is that it's this place to pvp sometimes and raid casually what's the difference between what BDA is doing right now on blue versus attempting to crack the very high end content on red and getting summarily crushed? I could maybe see something like this working if /movelog was a thing, but I can't see any entire guild moving from blue and grinding through levels and gear only to know that a full NToV/ST geared army of Unsullied awaits.

quite honestly i don't really care enough to try and grief a new group of players unless they act like douchebags/shitheads to us

ask aalpha, darkdeath, and zeelot about their interactions with Empire while they played on red99 as a new, up-and-coming guild

[Ella`Ella]

You're the typical beta faggot that is happy to wake up when your phone rings for a 3am muster and try to be the first jav throne.

It's truly pathetic and is the train of thought of both blue and reds "other" guilds.

They don't Jav throw anymore, Redi. Now, they sit at a spawn point for 20 hours repeatedly casting and ducking CoTh.

[Redi]

Gross

[magician]

They don't Jav throw anymore, Redi. Now, they sit at a spawn point for 20 hours repeatedly casting and ducking CoTh.

this is pathetic if true.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

http://i.imgur.com/ye7HMZe.jpg

[Hiragawa]

PvP on one side.

Petitions, tracking, variance, rule lawyering and absurd GM rulings on the other. I know which one I'm picking every time.

PvP is scary the first few times you do it. So is training fear for a CT engage. Or running up to pull Phara Dar with everyone counting on you. It gets easier each time you do it and eventually becomes the most fun part of the game.

Why is this always the response? I've never liked PvP combat in MMO games. Has nothing to do with it being "scary" or "hard" etc, it's just not appealing to me. The older I get, the less desire I have to partake in it as well.

I'm glad there are people that enjoy it, and certainly happy that you folks have the option to do so. But why is it so hard to accept that there are those of us that simply don't care for it? And yes, I tried it back on PvP servers waaaaaaay back in the day for EQ. It was just meh to me.

[Uuruk]

I just got a sex change, voice changer and Autofire program installed. Am I qualified?

[Troubled]

So you basically said "git guud"

It still doesn't answer my question of what happens when you cap out and Empire is the barrier? Is "get better" still applicable? That's going to be the mindset of people coming from blue. If anything this is an advertisement for Empire life. High end uncontested raiding on a friendly schedule with PvP in your spare time wearing best in slot gear. That's the allure of red. Troubledour told me so.

Ew gross I never mentioned anything about pvp.

[quido]

A blue startup could overcome Empire's advantage with sheer numbers. Honestly, the quality of a person's gear doesn't matter hugely when it comes to mass PvP - it's all dispell via pumice and golem wand, lures, tstaffs, and windstrikers. A blue startup would have the opportunity to farm all of these items with near impunity. Even people with poor Everquest skills and even worse PvP skills can learn to be 90% as effective as the best PvPers very quickly by learning to assist the MA, spam a pumice, and then follow up with whatever role they fulfill. There's a certain point where the numbers overwhelm the advantage, and this threshold decreases as your players' skills improve. Empire is still going very strong, but you would be coming in at a time when we're not always at our strongest - it's just the nature of the game that people start to fizzle out, though our leaders have done a nice job recruiting. Being a part of a #2 guild attempting to give the #1 a run for their money is one of the most rewarding experiences playing Everquest, I think. Starting on red would be a great opportunity for a credible group of people to grit their teeth and muster up some strategery and make some plays.

[slappytwotoes]

A blue startup could overcome Empire's advantage with sheer numbers.

But that's the problem.. if BDA (hypothetically) decided to move over, how many of their 150 members would quit or change guilds on blue? Probably lots.. pvp just doesn't appeal to many people and Red's had a huge stigma for years now.

The most realistic scenario is what TMO tried to do and failed. Don't see any guild bringing over 'overwhelming numbers'.

[Jazzy]

more likely that a very good number of the BDA members would just join empire eventually.

I would bet 90% of all blue converts are in empire.

just look at this thread for proof.

[Heebo]

But that's the problem.. if BDA (hypothetically) decided to move over, how many of their 150 members would quit or change guilds on blue? Probably lots.. pvp just doesn't appeal to many people and Red's had a huge stigma for years now.

The most realistic scenario is what TMO tried to do and failed. Don't see any guild bringing over 'overwhelming numbers'.
There were only about 12 people who were not playing red at all and joined up with <TMO> and they still accomplished an incredible amount. If their leadership hadn't stopped logging in they would still be the undisputed #2 guild. If they had brought 50 they would be going back and forth for #1 in my opinion.

[Pokesan]

did TMO declare victory when they lost on red or only when they lost on blue?

[Soandso]

See the population is the main problem for me, the place really is a ghost town and thats just not fun, if i wanted that I would just go play Live. ATM there is only 137 people on Red compared to Blue's 946. Even if you take 200 people out of that there is still triple the amount of people on Blue. Not to mention most of those 137 are probably all 60s spread across a few high end zones. I've leveled so many chars I'm not interested in doing it again alone. Crushbone being empty is just a sad sight.

[snufzaimoverlord]

See the population is the main problem for me, the place really is a ghost town and thats just not fun, if i wanted that I would just go play Live. ATM there is only 137 people on Red compared to Blue's 946. Even if you take 200 people out of that there is still triple the amount of people on Blue. Not to mention most of those 137 are probably all 60s spread across a few high end zones. I've leveled so many chars I'm not interested in doing it again alone. Crushbone being empty is just a sad sight.

All the usual leveling paths (Unrest, Mistmoore, SolB etc) have groups in them.

[Soandso]

IDK then, In my time leveling to 35 I grouped once in Unrest. Every other time it was like me and 1 other person if that and it wasnt wierd off peak hours.

[Fame]

Same thing that happens on blue when you cap out but rampage or forsaken is the barrier. Keep playing casually or contest. Plus, I imagine it would be pretty satisfying sinking an axe into Hokushin, Detoxx, or Chest instead of petitioning your next dispute.

Next time you're typing up an essay about dragons, think back to this post

[JurisDictum]

The OP has presented a better argument than most join red posts. But he still misses the fact that most people on blue don't actually petition. There is a handful of guild lawyers that deal with all that. If your guild does get suspended for something -- it is usually 1 mob for 2 weeks. Not really worth quitting the server over -- especially in Velious.

You also seem to think that petitions defeat the whole purpose of the game (which is competition of course). If the whole point of the game is to bully people out of the zone through PvP...than yea petitions are antithetical to that. However, blue players might not inherently hate petition solutions with the same fervor.

I played before there were barely any raid rules on blue, it was tremendously improved after the rules were introduced. When petitioning was low and TMO insta engaged everything -- the server was a lot worse than when petitioning was high a few years later and multiple guilds competed.

Finally, the OP assumes that petitioning wont ever become an issue on red -- not matter how many people join the server and how much competition is created. I have already heard people bitching about Empire petitionquesting last time they had any competition.

[Damn]

I'd like to reach out to the pals I made while I played on this server. I know some of you are disillusioned by the raid scene and rules put in place to keep the competition "fair". In short, it's been a disaster.

This server is comprised of way to many high end raiders participating in an arms race. People are pushing the envelope of what's acceptable and creating an amazing razor's edge of competition. Unfortunately, this is often at the expense of new rules being created to stifle creativity and encourage more time invested into preparing for raids, tracking, and logging in instantly at any hour of the day.

At this point, it's pretty clear. You're not playing a game anymore. Some of the most fun I've had were the rush of those old PD races. It was exhilarating, but it came at the cost of sitting at your chair with your hand hovering on your keyboard for up to 16 hours at a time. This just seems insane to me now.

I left this server just over a year ago to start fresh on red. I joined at a time when cross server transfers were legal but I didn't really utilize them. I started fresh on a server without any gear on a class I've never played before (Necromancer) and without any clue how to PvP.

It was more rewarding than I can even express. Seeing the game in a whole new way without the stress of petition quest was amazing.

I joined a small guild and we leveled up quickly. I was level 35 before I even upgraded my starter level 1 robe. Yes, we came across fungi twinks. Yes, they killed a few of us but the xp rate was so accelerated that you never had to worry about the same twink for more than a day before you had leveled beyond their range (+ or - 4 levels).

I had a blast. Level 30 pvp was just as thrilling as any PD race. I died. I learned. I made more friends with the people fighting me than any random groups on blue. I felt like I did playing eq for the first time 15 years ago. I just saw PvP as a method to resolve disputes without GMs. A red friend who came from blue said, "it's like trying to describe what sex is like to someone whose never had it."

I'm not going to say it's perfect but I will say it's nothing like the toxic community these forums make it out to be. It's the same as blue - there's good and bad but overwhelmingly more good people. The absence of variance or insane raid rules more than makes up for a handful of Crushbone griefers.

If a group of people were to come from blue and form up on red, you would be surprised at how easily you could establish a foothold on the raid scene. I know you guys have seen this thread a thousand times in a thousand ways but being able to raid at set times 3 hours a night, 4 nights a week is something that everyone should be able to do in velious, even without joining the top guild. Here's a writeup from Gongshow in empire on the topic:



If you're interested in starting on red please shoot me a PM. I can help out with some starter weapons or plat for spells.

Thanks for reading,

Heebo/Yibz

Tldr you joined the zerg ruined the server and want a blue guild to fix the mess you helped create

[Heebo]

Tldr you joined the zerg ruined the server and want a blue guild to fix the mess you helped create

I didn't join empire until well after I was 60 and there were no other guilds interested in raiding or contesting.

[Speedi]

This all made sense, and I'm not even trying to troll here, but let's assume an entire blue guild moved to red, and let's even use BDA as the example (we're talking a 150 person casual roster, 40-50 usually for a scheduled raid) - what's to stop Empire from just mollywhopping them?

Empire is going to have a MASSIVE advantage in gear, in numbers, and in pvp experience. If the allure of red is that it's this place to pvp sometimes and raid casually what's the difference between what BDA is doing right now on blue versus attempting to crack the very high end content on red and getting summarily crushed? I could maybe see something like this working if /movelog was a thing, but I can't see any entire guild moving from blue and grinding through levels and gear only to know that a full NToV/ST geared army of Unsullied awaits.


Chest, from what I gather on the boards this has already happened bro. TMO tried Red, and Empire griefed them off the server once they was a few months away from possibly being a threat. That's what I find funny though. These Red99 guys BEG people to come over to their server just to have fresh meat to troll and grief. It's a never ending cycle over there. People buy into their "Try Red" BS, after they start to level and gear up some they grief people off the sever before they can be a threat to their zero competition pixels.

[Soandso]

So much for never waking the sleeper?

[Aviann]

Maybe Red should try a closed invitation, and it might make people feel special enough to go.

[vouss]

Hi there, I co-lead one of the "2nd" tier guilds on red 99 <Friends> and I am here to tell you that if any guild from blue wants to roll here and try and raid with 40-50 people my guild will destroy your guild's raids 100% of the time with a 0% chance of failure on our part. We did it to TMO and we will do it to you!

[Damn]

Hi there, I co-lead one of the "2nd" tier guilds on red 99 <Friends> and I am here to tell you that if any guild from blue wants to roll here and try and raid with 40-50 people my guild will destroy your guild's raids 100% of the time with a 0% chance of failure on our part. We did it to TMO and we will do it to you!

Nothing gets me more excited then murdering helpless pathetic smurfs you have my sword master

[TheBiznessTZ]

Hi there, I co-lead one of the "2nd" tier guilds on red 99 <Friends> and I am here to tell you that if any guild from blue wants to roll here and try and raid with 40-50 people my guild will destroy your guild's raids 100% of the time with a 0% chance of failure on our part. We did it to TMO and we will do it to you!

Anyone who says <Empire> griefd <TMO> off the server is dumb. it was <Friends>. <Friends> made it a priority to disrupt <TMO> raids and make them log off where <Empire> only wanted to succeed. <Empire> came after <TMO> a few times cause tiggles tried thumping his chest and flexing his ego in a really stupid way and a really bad time for this guild.

[vouss]

Yeah this is 100% true we wiped TMO day after day on every mob/raid they tried and forced them to loot and leave, after a few short weeks the guild collapsed and mostly everyone joined Empire.

If a new guild were to start on Red coming from Blue I can assure you it would be hell.

[Xaanka]

you give yourself too much credit. you actually spent months, not "short weeks" doing such, and it really did have minimal impact to our morale. what killed the guild were internal factors for the most part. darkdeath burned out on being shoehorned into single handedly leading the guild, and no other leadership figures stepped up to lessen the burden. gotta keep in mind the guy never signed up to lead the guild, he just stepped up out of necessity.
but ya the only people who believe that empire griefed tmo off the server were either
>not in tmo
>warmbody nonfactors who had no clue what was going on with the guild internally
>not in tmo long enough to know, or only in the guild right after the good guys absortion

[Xaanka]

and b4 you try to give yourself credit for griefing DD off the box, without doxxing anything personal about him, he was making some big moves in his RL and he just didn't have time to be single handedly leading a guild anymore. DD's a really successful person IRL who had a lot on his plate.

[vouss]

i've heard from X-TMO sources that Xaanaka was absolutely cringe worthy to be with in teamspeak/guild so you might of had something to do with the disbanding of guild as well.

[TheBiznessTZ]

i've heard from X-TMO sources that Xaanaka was absolutely cringe worthy to be with in teamspeak/guild so you might of had something to do with the disbanding of guild as well.

Anime doesn't really talk much on raids... The primary TS shitters are currently filled by engelburt, fandango, dazed and decibel.

[Xaanka]

i've heard from X-TMO sources that Xaanaka was absolutely cringe worthy to be with in teamspeak/guild so you might of had something to do with the disbanding of guild as well.

i would be disappointed in myself if they said anything less of me. used to love trolling cringers like sickpuppy on the reg

[vouss]

Can't wait to dunk on the next wave of blue players to try and play on my server

[Xaanka]

Can't wait to dunk on the next wave of blue players to try and play on my server

blue players u gotta keep in mind when this guy says he co-leads the #2 guild, he means a guild that struggles to clear halls of testing trash mobs and has to joint raid with 1-2 other guilds to down vindi

can't wait to log in every monday through thursday to cuck you guys on every single velious raid target. must be boring to get dominated so hard on the red server without any little guys to pick on

[Aviann]

Can't wait to dunk on the next wave of blue players to try and play on my server

When was the last wave? When the server opened?

[Xaanka]

When was the last wave? When the server opened?

june last year

[Aviann]

june last year

Sounds right, lol

[vouss]

blue players u gotta keep in mind when this guy says he co-leads the #2 guild, he means a guild that struggles to clear halls of testing trash mobs and has to joint raid with 1-2 other guilds to down vindi

can't wait to log in every monday through thursday to cuck you guys on every single velious raid target. must be boring to get dominated so hard on the red server without any little guys to pick on

Anime 3 44

[Speedi]

Not dumb Biznezz, misinformed.

But really what's the difference? Some new blood tried Red99. Even moved their entire guild there. And once they as a threat, established guilds griefed them off.

Here I will change one word in my statement ...

TMO tried Red, and an established red99 guild griefed them off the server once they was a few months away from possibly being a threat. That's what I find funny though. These Red99 guys BEG people to come over to their server just to have fresh meat to troll and grief. It's a never ending cycle over there. People buy into their "Try Red" BS, after they start to level and gear up some they grief people off the sever before they can be a threat to their zero competition pixels.

Is that better?

But this Vouss guy in this thread proves my point. Stop posting your BS threads trying to get blue99 players to come to red99 when all your going to do is troll and grief them.

[Smedy]

this has inspired me to make a 10 reasons to not go to red video.

who woulda though that gongshow would want competition now that he has looted every single best in slot item norrath has to offer.

red is dead, hear it from the guy who has recruited more people to red than anyone else... stay away

[Xaanka]

Anime 3 44

how many times have you killed aow? ring 10 war? hows it feel that i'm going to have primals on my alts and you'll never get one?

http://i.imgur.com/cXqb88L.png

[Smedy]

Can't wait to dunk on the next wave of blue players to try and play on my server

you an me pal, ill delevel my epic wizard to 52 to keep em at bay, time to man the harpoons boys

[Damn]

how many times have you killed aow? ring 10 war? hows it feel that i'm going to have primals on my alts and you'll never get one?

http://i.imgur.com/cXqb88L.png

Great I'll dunk on your alts too no primal needed

[vouss]

TMO tried Red, and an established red99 guild griefed them off the server once they was a few months away from possibly being a threat. That's what I find funny though. These Red99 guys BEG people to come over to their server just to have fresh meat to troll and grief. It's a never ending cycle over there. People buy into their "Try Red" BS, after they start to level and gear up some they grief people off the sever before they can be a threat to their zero competition pixels.

Is that better?

But this Vouss guy in this thread proves my point. Stop posting your BS threads trying to get blue99 players to come to red99 when all your going to do is troll and grief them.

Yeah man I'm an honest guy. I don't care if you come to our server or not I have enough punching bags (Xanaaka type people, or Xanaaka) but if you do I will fucking grief you so hard

[Smedy]

who is this anime cuck xanaka in game? with his 3 kills 40 death ratio he surely is a cuck of the highest order, it takes a special kind of bad to be that bad

[Jazzy]

Heres an idea - stop recruiting

nobody else wants to play red.

Time to work with what we have.

[Xaanka]

who is this anime cuck xanaka in game? with his 3 kills 40 death ratio he surely is a cuck of the highest order, it takes a special kind of bad to be that bad

Yeah man I'm an honest guy. I don't care if you come to our server or not I have enough punching bags (Xanaaka type people, or Xanaaka) but if you do I will fucking grief you so hard

i dont think either of you have ever killed me tho. and i afk regularly at my bind its not very hard or anything

[Xaanka]

http://i.imgur.com/V3he75A.jpg

feels good to completely disregard the pvp aspect of the game and still be beating these 2 nerds on the server, seeing content and receiving items that they will never have a shot at every week

[Bazia]

"guys plz come play red my guild has been farming uncontested since velious launch and we have nothing to do and no one to kill"

[Xulia]

So how long before the remaining population of Red just starts eating each other for sustenance?

[Uton]

ask aalpha, darkdeath, and zeelot about their interactions with Empire while they played on red99 as a new, up-and-coming guild

before they decided to harbor enemies of the Empire

[Malbolshia]

Got a good laugh about this part... yes and at ANY time anyone can just come right in with their better gear and take ANY camp from you! Sounds like so much fun!

Stopped reading... it's just your bullshit utopian view of eq pvp to try and recruit. There is a reason the server has so little population.

This is the crux of why red is so barren.

Sure, sounds great for the established, but in trying to get established, you are on the receiving end.

Why would anyone want to subject themselves to this? How is this 'fun'?

Its the reason why I wont try red, and by the looks of the disparity between the servers populations, I'm not the only one.

[Troubled]

Yeah man I'm an honest guy. I don't care if you come to our server or not I have enough punching bags (Xanaaka type people, or Xanaaka) but if you do I will fucking grief you so hard

Thanks <Friends> for keeping Empire on top.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Finally, the OP assumes that petitioning wont ever become an issue on red -- not matter how many people join the server and how much competition is created. I have already heard people bitching about Empire petitionquesting last time they had any competition.

Where's The Duke and Nihilum?

[iruinedyourday]

Where's The Duke and Nihilum?

https://youtu.be/ydjnPheTIhQ

[jcr4990]

The ability to copy blue chars to Red is literally the ONLY chance Red has at ever being a healthy competitive server. Many many many guilds have tried to rise up and overthrow Nihilum/Holocaust/Empire and none of them have succeeded. It's an impossible to win uphill battle unless the guild is forcibly disbanded by GM's and leadership banned for RMT shenanigans. TMO is the most recent example. How did that pan out?

Let people copy their chars to Blue that are already 60 with gear and let's see what happens. Willing to bet that Empire's superior PvP skills won't save them.

[Troubled]

The ability to copy blue chars to Red is literally the ONLY chance Red has at ever being a healthy competitive server. Many many many guilds have tried to rise up and overthrow Nihilum/Holocaust/Empire and none of them have succeeded. It's an impossible to win uphill battle unless the guild is forcibly disbanded by GM's and leadership banned for RMT shenanigans. TMO is the most recent example. How did that pan out?

Let people copy their chars to Blue that are already 60 with gear and let's see what happens. Willing to bet that Empire's superior PvP skills won't save them.

You're targetting the wrong guild. You want the griefer guild, Friends. They're all over the thread telling you who the problem is. ;)

[iruinedyourday]

The ability to copy blue chars to Red is literally the ONLY chance Red has at ever being a healthy competitive server. Many many many guilds have tried to rise up and overthrow Nihilum/Holocaust/Empire and none of them have succeeded. It's an impossible to win uphill battle unless the guild is forcibly disbanded by GM's and leadership banned for RMT shenanigans. TMO is the most recent example. How did that pan out?

Let people copy their chars to Blue that are already 60 with gear and let's see what happens. Willing to bet that Empire's superior PvP skills won't save them.

All guilds fall under empire because of social retardation and an inability to integrate to the different play styles of red.

The experience is the only advantage empire has, strangely something <friends> has as much of... But some would say the experience of staying far the fuck away from that guild is half the battle.

[Pokesan]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with every red player ever being willing to break every rule possible if they can win just one moment of PRAS in ooc

[TheBiznessTZ]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with every red player ever being willing to break every rule possible if they can win just one moment of PRAS in ooc

no one cares about pras.....

[Pokesan]

no one cares about pras.....

maybe it's different now but when i played everyone in ooc would lose their fucking minds whenever a YT went out

[TheBiznessTZ]

maybe it's different now but when i played everyone in ooc would lose their fucking minds whenever a YT went out

we only really care when <Friends> dies.

[Pokesan]

we only really care when <Friends> dies.

that makes sense, red having become an anti-pk server and all

[vouss]

It's hard to get excited over the death of someone who dies as routinely as gasoline

[stonez138]

But on the real, Red IS infinitely better than this sewer.

This coming from one of the biggest pieces of shit floating in the sewer.

[LostCause]

http://i.imgur.com/fw3SRor.jpg

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Blue is better
No, Red is best

Blue is better
No, Red is best

Blue is better
No, Red is best

Blue is better
No, Red is best

Blue is better
No, Red is best

Blue is better
No, Red is best

Blue is better
No, Red is best

Blue is better
No, Red is best

Blue is better
No, Red is best

http://i.imgur.com/QB1SqeS.jpg

[Jazzy]

meanwhile empire keep recruiting, and pinching players from other guilds

and its all our fault the server is so one sided :)

[krazyGlue]

i have a level 9 rogue with 190k in gear. + level 30 sk with 200k in gear + 49 wiz with 150k in gear . welcome to red i hope to see you soon

[Seltius]

Yibz and several others helped a lot of TMO and other Blue players that rerolled on Red last year. Was pretty awesome to start fresh and be able to hang with him and a few others while leveling. Thanks man again for everything you did for us.

Also ill try and get on this weekend and check on that for you. Ill either PM you here or if your online send you a tell.

[Tune]

Some virgin created Legday on red already. I'm not rerolling name.

lol virgin?

we really gonna do this Quasimodo?

[TheBiznessTZ]

lol virgin?

we really gonna do this Quasimodo?

It's a shame that monk is banned and the name will never be used ever again.

[Spit]

i have a level 9 rogue with 190k in gear. + level 30 sk with 200k in gear + 49 wiz with 150k in gear . welcome to red i hope to see you soon


Can level out of those ranges so damn fast and there's tons of twinks willing to level up as well without griefing

Not saying to join red and ditch blue, just try it out + you can play both at once

[Ragnaros]

I do not recommend this server, stay far away from it. There is no raid pvp and its currently peaking at 100 people primetime. The top guild raids with 150 people uncontested and the next thing to competition is lower guilds that cant even field 20. Server is dead and not worth rolling, the community is also very toxic. Stay far away.

[Nirgon]

warder loot still dropping

not as toxic as blue

god bless

[iruinedyourday]

I do not recommend this server, stay far away from it. There is no raid pvp and its currently peaking at 100 people primetime. The top guild raids with 150 people uncontested and the next thing to competition is lower guilds that cant even field 20. Server is dead and not worth rolling, the community is also very toxic. Stay far away.

all raid pvp got griefed off the box, starting with this guy ^^

[Speedi]

Lookout! Red99 is @ 140 people primetime. Probably just empire raid night.

[Ragnaros]

all raid pvp got griefed off the box, starting with this guy ^^

Yeah man your Worship 0 37 0.03 XXX record griefed me off
everyone believes you sick troll dude

[Pokesan]

Yeah man your Worship 0 37 0.03 XXX record griefed me off
everyone believes you sick troll dude

ruthled

[EQsale]

To be honest they should just delete red and make a team server no one with a brain wants too play on this pos red server

[iruinedyourday]

Y don't use the avatar I made for you rag

[fiveeauxfour]

warder loot still dropping

not as toxic as blue

god bless

blue isnt toxic u piece of shit

[maerilith]

This server is comprised of way to many high end raiders participating in an arms race. People are pushing the envelope of what's acceptable and creating an amazing razor's edge of competition.

Everyday...

People ride, the edge, the RAZORS edge.

What will you do today.

Thx OP, I now will have this echoing in my head for all eternity.

[Slathar]

Hi everyone. I'm the head of Human Resources of <Friends>.

I can promise you with 100% certainty that my guild will do the following to any new guild starting on Red:

1. Grief you at every single level range possible.
2. Force you to Loot and Scoot in all PvP engagements.
3. Sit in your TS to spy so that we can wipe your raids more effectively.
4. Play way, way more than you to farm clickies.
5. Fuck ur fuking shit guild back to EC tunnel, fuckboys.

PRAS SALEM FOR 10,000,000 YEARS
PRAS TUNE
PRAS GINGERR OF HOUSE PUBES

FOR TEN MILLION YEARS

[Jazzy]

Iruinedyourday really got zero kills??

Even ive got 3

[Speedi]

Hi everyone. I'm the head of Human Resources of <Friends>.

I can promise you with 100% certainty that my guild will do the following to any new guild starting on Red:

1. Grief you at every single level range possible.
2. Force you to Loot and Scoot in all PvP engagements.
3. Sit in your TS to spy so that we can wipe your raids more effectively.
4. Play way, way more than you to farm clickies.
5. Fuck ur fuking shit guild back to EC tunnel, fuckboys.

PRAS SALEM FOR 10,000,000 YEARS
PRAS TUNE
PRAS GINGERR OF HOUSE PUBES

FOR TEN MILLION YEARS

Attitudes like that is exactly why your box will slowly die. Empire needs to step up and run these <Friends> off the box.

[Colgate]

<friends> is relegated to playing with less than 10 players at their peak (asian primetime)

they basically don't exist

[Uuruk]

Friends would fit in great on Nostalrius

[Aviann]

I wish they could make a copy of characters so I can own all you red fuckboys. Just like I did with my noobish necromancer I made on red, but instead with a geared paladin... Because for god's sake, I don't want to level a paladin again, nor go through the trouble of dealing with the neanderthals it would take to gear him.

TRY BLUE TODAY, fuck boys.

[Ragnaros]

<friends> is relegated to playing with less than 10 players at their peak (asian primetime)

they basically don't exist

yikes dawg all those hours spent on a server that will have 50 people within a few months
sucks u cant trade that gear for all those college credits u failed to get

[SamwiseRed]

friends mentioned in every thread, must be doing somethin right

[Uuruk]

friends mentioned in every thread, must be doing somethin right

There is literally 100 people that play on the server.

[thufir]

warder loot still dropping

not as toxic as blue

god bless
constantly bringing this up makes me giggle, it's like a serial killer saying at least he didn't rob his victims. the epitome of "I Don't Get It"

[Ragnaros]

There is literally 100 people that play on the server.

weird coulda swore i saw u die on the leaderboards the other day
hehe raiding on a dead server (-:

[Uuruk]

weird coulda swore i saw u die on the leaderboards the other day
hehe raiding on a dead server (-:

I know, poor Krazy going to eat a suspension for that. Feels bad man.

[Ragnaros]

yikes dude u went from getting kicked from empire and quitting while bashing everyone on the forums for playing a dead server, just to return and chain die on dead server
feels bad man.jpg

[Uuruk]

constantly bringing this up makes me giggle, it's like a serial killer saying at least he didn't rob his victims. the epitome of "I Don't Get It"

yikes dude u went from getting kicked from empire and quitting while bashing everyone on the forums for playing a dead server, just to return and chain die on dead server
feels bad man.jpg

I logged on to give someone an item and participated in no raids? You think I care about fantasy land leaderboard as a cleric????

Udumbman.jpg

[Damn]

I wish they could make a copy of characters so I can own all you red fuckboys. Just like I did with my noobish necromancer I made on red, but instead with a geared paladin... Because for god's sake, I don't want to level a paladin again, nor go through the trouble of dealing with the neanderthals it would take to gear him.

TRY BLUE TODAY, fuck boys.

You're not killing anyone on a paladin dog

[Qtip]

Let blue players copy 1 character to red with everything they have. Make every item no drop so it doesnt kill the economy. Let people mess around on lvl 60s they're use to. While people are sitting in ec they can mess around on red and so on.

[SamwiseRed]

Char copies and transfers is a terrible idea.

[iruinedyourday]

yikes dude u went from getting kicked from empire and quitting while bashing everyone on the forums for playing a dead server, just to return and chain die on dead server
feels bad man.jpg

This literally will be you're bio when you decide irl isn't what you expected and log back in.

[Colgate]

well his character is suspended for at least 8-12 months so he probably already rerolled anonymously to try and get back into friends after being kicked out

[Qtip]

Char copies and transfers is a terrible idea.

Why exactly?

[SamwiseRed]

If people want to play red then play red. Might as well enable insta 60s if you allow copies/ transfers. You've basically ruined the servers integrity at that point. You also destroy the leveling population as there would be no reason to not level on blue then transfer over. On phone or I would write a novel Noone read

[iruinedyourday]

You've basically ruined the servers integrity at that point.

integrity

integrity
integrity


integrity

integrity


integrity

[Pokesan]

If people want to play red then play red. Might as well enable insta 60s if you allow copies/ transfers. You've basically ruined the servers integrity at that point. You also destroy the leveling population as there would be no reason to not level on blue then transfer over. On phone or I would write a novel Noone read

mescaline?

[iruinedyourday]

178 online maaad house!

[Qtip]

If people want to play red then play red. Might as well enable insta 60s if you allow copies/ transfers. You've basically ruined the servers integrity at that point. You also destroy the leveling population as there would be no reason to not level on blue then transfer over. On phone or I would write a novel Noone read

It takes 2 weeks to get 60 here . Integrity? This will boost population. Do you really think 200+ people are going to roll here brand new at this point and start new guilds? Whats the worst that could happen? A 100 people log on there main and try pvp?

Twink pvp sucks. If people want to /copy over to here at 60 to challenge empire or just dick around who cares?

[Ragnaros]

well his character is suspended for at least 8-12 months so he probably already rerolled anonymously to try and get back into friends after being kicked out

You are misinformed, my shaman only got suspended for a week.
I also left friends after i realized they had no intentions of progressing
alot of lashing out for someone who raids a 16 year old elf emu 7 hours a day ( it has 100 people lol)

[iruinedyourday]

You are misinformed, my shaman only got suspended for a week.
I also left friends after i realized they had no intentions of progressing
alot of lashing out for someone who raids a 16 year old elf emu 7 hours a day ( it has 100 people lol)

a lot of replies for someone who has "moved on" from the server.

[jcr4990]

You've basically ruined the servers integrity at that point. You also destroy the leveling population as there would be no reason to not level on blue then transfer over.

Funniest post I've seen in a while. Integrity? Red Server? Pls send me some of the drugs u are on. Also "no reason to not level on blue then transfer over" ...... what? You mean besides the xp bonus that lets you 1-60 in like 2 weeks? I have mixed feelings of laughter and anger at the stupidity of this post.

[Pokesan]

a lot of replies for someone who has "moved on" from the server.

forums =/= server

shitposting takes seconds

[Ragnaros]

forums =/= server

shitposting takes seconds

[Colgate]

forums =/= server

shitposting takes seconds

writing up emotional posts about how the server is awful does not at all support the idea that you have moved on

[Ragnaros]

I am kergan status

[Colgate]

kergan ACTUALLY just doesn't play tho

it's not like kergan got suspended for a year, kicked out of his guild, and still logs into an alt regularly while trying to buy things that i'm selling

i mean jesus u pm'd me just today about buying a narandi's lance

goog god dude

[Ragnaros]

I haven't logged on since January 18th
you regularly raid a 100 pop elf sim for 7 hours a day
whos really the winner here

[Colgate]

it's clearly the guy who literally lost in-game and also is banned but still hangs around

[jcr4990]

Gotta side with Colgate on this one

[TheBiznessTZ]

Ragnaros prob gonna start mace questing people irl.....

[iruinedyourday]

Gotta side with Colgate on this one

hate to break it to you, but technically you just sided with ME.

[jcr4990]

hate to break it to you, but technically you just sided with ME.Even a blind squirrel eventually finds a nut.

In all seriousness I don't have any problem with you really. I think a lot of stuff you say is super dumb but doesn't mean I hate you or would be ashamed to agree with you on something.

[iruinedyourday]

Even a blind squirrel eventually finds a nut.

In all seriousness I don't have any problem with you really. I think a lot of stuff you say is super dumb but doesn't mean I hate you or would be ashamed to agree with you on something.

hah same pal, just sent you a pm to say basically same thing.

[Uuruk]

IRYD is he worst poster on the forums. I miss Filthy Pagan.

[iruinedyourday]

this faggot fucking chats with me in whatsapp

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.imgur.com/rFpvgJg.gif

[Pokesan]

writing up emotional posts about how the server is awful does not at all support the idea that you have moved on

even colgate, the mighty colgate, with all his everquest skills and accomplishments, has been undone by the power of the shitpost

mad

[Uuruk]

this faggot fucking chats with me in whatsapp

This fucking guy sent me nudes over whatsapp.

[iruinedyourday]

This fucking guy sent me nudes over whatsapp.

http://i.imgur.com/QXIgHKp.gif

[Uuruk]

Also has whatsapp notifications turned off so my pals and I can trash talk him all day and he never knows HEHE

[iruinedyourday]

Also has whatsapp notifications turned off so my pals and I can trash talk him all day and he never knows HEHE

your pals, who gasso and gayzazy? no thanks.

[George_Costanza]

even colgate, the mighty colgate, with all his everquest skills and accomplishments, has been undone by the power of the shitpost

mad

i have rl pics of colgate and hes a fox

step off

[George_Costanza]

he does look kinda feminized though im not gonna lie, bottom fox not a top fox

[Ragnaros]

it's clearly the guy who literally lost in-game and also is banned but still hangs around

vs the guy who raids a dead box 7 hours a day
ya I agree dude u R the loser

[quido]

I'm gonna take you to McDonald's, champ.

[shokar]

Lastly, the grief. You have our word that we will not grief or disrupt your raids.

I will. :D

[Platexchange]

vs the guy who raids a dead box 7 hours a day
ya I agree dude u R the loser


If anyone checks the blue main forums this is what I mean by trolling. Raid are around 2-3 hours typically. Also will reiterate if anyone needs a power level I have a 60 shaman I can power level with on weekends. Join thunder dome and don't worry about the trolling people on the boards.