The Sleeper to be awoken tonight in Rampage's final raid.

[Lazie]

Would be pretty cool if we had classic.

No binding in ToV.
Sirken decides to ban the use of CotH in Velious raid zones for FTE purposes like he did in VP.
Full repops replace 16 hour variance

Everyone had fun on Sunday after the repop. No one stared at a wall for 16 hours straight to fizzle 1 CotH and be a second late to FTE. It was cool.

You know me. I'm on board with this. Although I dunno about full repops. Just put the live variance in place. It would still make it impossible for one guild to kill everything.

[Bill Tetley]

The expression "I'm going to take my ball and go home" when directed at an individual is used to illustrate the individual's immaturity when that person can't get his way and no longer wants to be a participant in the conversation or a contributor to solving a problem.

[Pheer]

We will see since we weren't contacted about any of this. Seems strange doesn't it that your guild mentions these scripts. Why aren't you asking the questions we are ? How does your guild have knowledge about scripts that does these things and how to set them up ? We obviously didn't this is new to us and something everyone should be asking about.

Nobody in your guild has ever heard of a script or knows of the existence of mq2?

http://i.imgur.com/bYO8bJA.gif

[Lazie]

One would expect a redneck to use the "he who smelt it dealt it" defense

Yeah, I'd try to use that reply as a distraction as well.

"Don't look too closely behind the Rampage curtain guys! Lazie is just a redneck I swear"

[Lazie]

Nobody in your guild has ever heard of a script or knows of the existence of mq2?

http://i.imgur.com/bYO8bJA.gif

Mhm, seems you guys seem to have this knowledge. It is your claims. It's where this claim came from. Follow the bread crumbs to find the true culprits.

[khanable]

We will see since we weren't contacted about any of this. Seems strange doesn't it that your guild mentions these scripts. Why aren't you asking the questions we are ? How does your guild have knowledge about scripts that does these things and how to set them up ? We obviously didn't this is new to us and something everyone should be asking about.

Already pointed out that sodak sold y'all out on Nalken's fte scripts

[portbitch69]

im gonna script ur mom

[khanable]

I'm gonna script your dad

How you like that

[Lazie]

Already pointed out that sodak sold y'all out on Nalken's fte scripts

You keep saying this like it's something legitimate. Post the conversation. No one used scripts for FTE's in our guild. I'm sure Sodak got a good laugh when trolling you when you guys mentioned scripts.

[Bill Tetley]

What is all this talk about scripts? Don't people just use macro functions in the mice/keyboard drivers to spam for FTE?

[Charm]

Its funny how you guys are claiming this game is competitive but both of you guys are arguing how the rules are still a 50/50 doesnt sound to competitive to me sounds like you guys are just fucking clowns for sitting at your computer starring at the wall waiting for a mob to spawn. Good job on being competitive lmfao idiots

[Vianna]

What is all this talk about scripts? Don't people just use macro functions in the mice/keyboard drivers to spam for FTE?

Exactly what I was thinking.

[arsenalpow]

im gonna script ur mom

http://i.imgur.com/FCDz1ij.jpg

[Charm]

We all know both guilds cheat who fucking cares end of story they both just have 100 people to stare at a wall in ToV to wait for a mob to spawn and call it competitive

[Lazie]

What is all this talk about scripts? Don't people just use macro functions in the mice/keyboard drivers to spam for FTE?

It is odd as I was saying that no one even heard of "Scripting for FTE" until Rampage brought it up. No one did this in any other guild for sure. Gotta look at the source.

[Juevento]

Thanks for the memories (and trains) Rampals.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yBpphUQJ124

[SamwiseRed]

p99 is full of cheaters, anyone saying their whole guild is clean is probably cheating themselves.

[Erati]

Catches you off guard enough to also throw a Jav at :13 seconds? Arguably the best monk on the server, minus Florid of course, wouldn't make that mistake right?

My comment was about Florid's Lord Fesh story killing Mahavishu not the Cekenar fraps.

again the Cekenar fraps looks like spamming NPC name with an action ( mallet ) - I dont really know what I am suppose to be looking for that would look different than any Lodizal or Noble engage I have seen where 10+ cancel magic sticks and root nets get clicked in the same .5 second

[Daldaen]

You know me. I'm on board with this. Although I dunno about full repops. Just put the live variance in place. It would still make it impossible for one guild to kill everything.

You fail to know me then.

The goal of full repops is to have a situation where no one EVER has to sit and track a mob staring at a wall, refreshing 10 second track Windows, refreshing 5 min TL boxes, duck casting 12 second CotHs for hours and hours on end. Having many individuals willing to do those things shouldn't be the determining factor for participating in the raid scene on this server.

The goal is not to prevent guilds from having a clean sweep of 80-90% of the raid targets. That's merely a byproduct of the repop and in my eyes a good one that promotes the health of the server by allowing many guilds to raid and enjoy their raiding.

A global message goes out. Everyone knows everything is up. No need to field a 5 man FTE group from 1AM-7AM on a god damn Wednesday morning. Just one Euro or Aussie dude in your guild online able to send a batphone is sufficient if sim repops replace respawns.

CSG for example got to kill their first Dain and their first Dracoliche and were damn close to pulling in their first Cazic Thule attempt too. That's what sim repops should be about.

The hardest core people should be shuffling around fighting over ST keys, Vulak, KT, AoW, etc. While they do that every other guild can step up outside of their previous comfort zone and take shots at the Dains, Statues, WToV and NToV targets of their choice, mostly uninterrupted if they go quickly.

If you want to go as classic as possible (which I'm in favor of)... go back through server patch history and you see how many patches they put out in 2001 (Velious era), they were averaging about 1 every 2 weeks. Every single patch they did took down the server and brought it back up with full respawns. This doesn't even include server outages for other reasons which were somewhat common as well.

Sim repops twice monthly that update all respawn timers. The normal respawns have 0 variance (which is mostly classic for most of these targets), so that the 3-day mobs spawn with correct frequency and so that the more casual guilds can pick a target on a respawn and plan around sniping that mob the when it respawns. Probably honing their strategy of pulling or killing that specific target, before moving onto a new target the following week with the next sim repop. The hardcore guilds can battle each other for their high end targets. Then after 1 respawn cycle with known respawn times for the 7 day targets you can expect another sim repop and the cycle repeats itself.

[Halfelfbard]

All this Forum rage brings back some delicious memories.

I'm not clean...i got the clap. Damn bar sluts.

[Pheer]

It is odd as I was saying that no one even heard of "Scripting for FTE" until Rampage brought it up. No one did this in any other guild for sure. Gotta look at the source.

So you thought autofire just meant "a magical button that makes you get fte" ?

You never thought maybe that making a computer do something like that required some kind of set of instructions to tell it what to do?

Maybe I gave you too much credit when I said you weren't that dumb.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Fippy prog server, normal mega-hack Venril Sathir kill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HAEq1F0kX8

That's what it looks like.




ps: surprised at the bitterness about Rampage waking the Sleeper. Life is not like your last birthday party, where your Mom made sure you had the piece of cake with the most frosting on it.

[heartbrand]

Tonight at 7pm we will be clearing all of the Lords and Lady's and then Vulak and Eashen. The raid will last approximately 2 hours. Everyone is welcome to join us. Thanks.

[Lazie]

So you thought autofire just meant "a magical button that makes you get fte" ?

You never thought maybe that making a computer do something like that required some kind of set of instructions to tell it what to do?

Maybe I gave you too much credit when I said you weren't that dumb.

I just want you to keep telling the server all the scripts your FTE'rs used. You are doing so well informing us. I think everyone is learning a lot about Rampage's raiding tactics in this thread. Thanks.

:)

[Lazie]

You fail to know me then.

The goal of full repops is to have a situation where no one EVER has to sit and track a mob staring at a wall, refreshing 10 second track Windows, refreshing 5 min TL boxes, duck casting 12 second CotHs for hours and hours on end. Having many individuals willing to do those things shouldn't be the determining factor for participating in the raid scene on this server.

The goal is not to prevent guilds from having a clean sweep of 80-90% of the raid targets. That's merely a byproduct of the repop and in my eyes a good one that promotes the health of the server by allowing many guilds to raid and enjoy their raiding.

A global message goes out. Everyone knows everything is up. No need to field a 5 man FTE group from 1AM-7AM on a god damn Wednesday morning. Just one Euro or Aussie dude in your guild online able to send a batphone is sufficient if sim repops replace respawns.

CSG for example got to kill their first Dain and their first Dracoliche and were damn close to pulling in their first Cazic Thule attempt too. That's what sim repops should be about.

The hardest core people should be shuffling around fighting over ST keys, Vulak, KT, AoW, etc. While they do that every other guild can step up outside of their previous comfort zone and take shots at the Dains, Statues, WToV and NToV targets of their choice, mostly uninterrupted if they go quickly.

If you want to go as classic as possible (which I'm in favor of)... go back through server patch history and you see how many patches they put out in 2001 (Velious era), they were averaging about 1 every 2 weeks. Every single patch they did took down the server and brought it back up with full respawns. This doesn't even include server outages for other reasons which were somewhat common as well.

Sim repops twice monthly that update all respawn timers. The normal respawns have 0 variance (which is mostly classic for most of these targets), so that the 3-day mobs spawn with correct frequency and so that the more casual guilds can pick a target on a respawn and plan around sniping that mob the when it respawns. Probably honing their strategy of pulling or killing that specific target, before moving onto a new target the following week with the next sim repop. The hardcore guilds can battle each other for their high end targets. Then after 1 respawn cycle with known respawn times for the 7 day targets you can expect another sim repop and the cycle repeats itself.

That isn't however classic. Which is what this server thrives for. You don't have to stare at a screen too long with Classic Live timers. Raiding would largely still happen one day a week. Sorry you guys hitched your wagon to a sinking ship btw.

[Ele]

If you want to go as classic as possible (which I'm in favor of)... go back through server patch history and you see how many patches they put out in 2001 (Velious era), they were averaging about 1 every 2 weeks. Every single patch they did took down the server and brought it back up with full respawns. This doesn't even include server outages for other reasons which were somewhat common as well.

Not just an average of 2 patches a month, but weekly maintenance down time AND random server/zone crashes causing additional pops.

[Lazie]

I do agree that simulating the patches would be cool and exciting.

[Gorillas]

Can all these Rampage losers stop posting now?

[Lanuven]

Can all these Rampage losers stop posting now?

Its our thread, get over it.

[Tuljin]

Its funny how you guys are claiming this game is competitive but both of you guys are arguing how the rules are still a 50/50 doesnt sound to competitive to me sounds like you guys are just fucking clowns for sitting at your computer starring at the wall waiting for a mob to spawn. Good job on being competitive lmfao idiots

These same people have been the same people shitting up this server for years. Everybody here, IB and TR and TMO, everybody. Detoxx, Hoku, everybody. Everybody. There are no "sides" they all fucking suck and nobody can "play nice."

Same shit, different year. Its just the constant new influx of koolaid-drinking nubs that makes it all possible. The guild recruitment on this box has become so pathetic and desperate its laughable really.

The first five months of Velious had no "competition" at all, just like the last 5 months of Kunark in VP. IB and pals went to great lengths to ensure this was the case through a skillfully timed "assimilation" and rebranding coupled with being in cahoots with server staff.

To call what happened between IB and "The A-Team" a "merger" is downright insulting. There was no collaboration between the "officers" of the guilds, just direct assimilation. And comically enough only -one- of the officers from The A-Team remains an officer to this day, and he only joined "the guild formerly worthy of being known as The A-Team" at the tail end of 2014. Our beloved gif-creator recently got into a little spat with Emperor Hoku and quit his officer position/got kicked out (who the fuck knows or cares) and took his ball and went home, behavior that The Omnipotent had been informed of personally. Hey Hoku ----- "atoadaso"

Im glad there are at least a few people who can see it for what it is. That's really how we start "fixing" this box. These people are so insane that educated, intelligent, and altruistic people are ostracized and what you're left with are neckbeard mouth-breathers with a tenuous grip on their mental stability. No thanks dude, I'll just keep soloing and playing with my friends and chipping away at quests and gear that don't require taking advantage of legions of nubs to finish. There is no negotiating, there is no "winning."

[Daldaen]

That isn't however classic. Which is what this server thrives for. You don't have to stare at a screen too long with Classic Live timers. Raiding would largely still happen one day a week. Sorry you guys hitched your wagon to a sinking ship btw.

Having monks locket bound, mages in every corner of NToV, TL Boxes sitting on monk, every monk and rogue carrying an instant gate potion and DA Idol, and staring at a wall for 16 hours...

Sounds way more classic...

[Gorillas]

Its our thread, get over it.

It's your entitled circle jerk attitude that makes you so pathetic. You guys are done, right? Or you're gonna linger around because you've invested so much of your life into this EMU that it's unhealthy?

[Nirgon]

Shot some air out of my nose a few times reading thx all

[Lazie]

It's people like Ele and you Daldaen I respect the most honestly. You guys care about the server and want to see it thrive in it's Classic glory regardless of the end game. A lot of people throw shade your way for some of the changes that get made. However, one thing is for sure you guys will be here working to help this server be what everyone remembers. You don't show up and try to destroy it or rage out and quit. I commend you both.

[Lanuven]

It's your entitled circle jerk attitude that makes you so pathetic. You guys are done, right? Or you're gonna linger around because you've invested so much of your life into this EMU that it's unhealthy?

Not sure what a "circle jerk attitude is". And no, "We" are not done. The guild tag < Rampage > is done.

[Lazie]

Having monks locket bound, mages in every corner of NToV, TL Boxes sitting on monk, every monk and rogue carrying an instant gate potion and DA Idol, and staring at a wall for 16 hours...

Sounds way more classic...

As I said I agreed with your original post sans all of it being repops.

Take out binds.

Take out Mages (However mages were parked in ToV during Velious for ease of access to setup your raids).

Implement the classic variance.

DA idols were used in classic as well. So that is a tough one. Guess it was different whichever server you played on with this.

Implement classic patch day repops

[Endonde]

My favorite part of that Cekenar fraps is where your guild members try to attack it into summoning range when you don't get FTE.

[falkun]

That isn't however classic. Which is what this server thrives for.

Since when was bi-weekly patches (that included full repops) not classic? I took the patch dates posted to Baldio from 4/6/1999-12/4/2001 (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php) and found the mean time between patches to be 12.01 days and the median 8 days.

Patches had server downtime, downtimes had repops, and some even had multiple recycles so guilds would get multiple resets on super lucky (or unlucky if you'd just raided 8 hours) days.

[Lazie]

Since when was bi-weekly patches (that included full repops) not classic? I took the patch dates posted to Baldio from 4/6/1999-12/4/2001 (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php) and found the mean time between patches to be 12.01 days and the median 8 days.

Patches had server downtime, downtimes had repops, and some even had multiple recycles so guilds would get multiple resets on super lucky (or unlucky if you'd just raided 8 hours) days.

I didn't say they weren't. I was talking largely about the 0 variance he mentioned. I am for the simulated patches.

[Gorillas]

Not sure what a "circle jerk attitude is". And no, "We" are not done. The guild tag < Rampage > is done.

This mine, this is mine, this is my end game content, this is my server. You can't have it boo hoo hoo.

Members of Rampage, or any guild, that actively try to restrict content from other gamers are pathetic. There's no 2 ways about it. Waking the sleeper on an Emu server is an asshole move. There's no sense of accomplishment and there's no reward, it's being a selfish prick to the extreme.

How do you people remember game names from someone who hurt your feelings in VP 2 years ago? Good riddance to all you toxic terds!

[Daldaen]

As I said I agreed with your original post sans all of it being repops.

Take out binds.

Take out Mages (However mages were parked in ToV during Velious for ease of access to setup your raids).

Implement the classic variance.

DA idols were used in classic as well. So that is a tough one. Guess it was different whichever server you played on with this.

Implement classic patch day repops

Mages CERTAINLY were used in ToV. In the hallway to doubles and the walkway to trips there were safe locations to camp out mages and CotH in Raid forces.

I would absolutely love if the server removed the non-classic Flurry drakes who path those halls now and make those spots unsafe.

Maybe a true NToV crawl could exist, rather than the current situation it has now.

[Tuljin]

Not sure what a "circle jerk attitude is". And no, "We" are not done. The guild tag < Rampage > is done.

The saga continues...

[Lazie]

Mages CERTAINLY were used in ToV. In the hallway to doubles and the walkway to trips there were safe locations to camp out mages and CotH in Raid forces.

I would absolutely love if the server removed the non-classic Flurry drakes who path those halls now and make those spots unsafe.

Maybe a true NToV crawl could exist, rather than the current situation it has now.

There are still completely safe spots to summon raids and clear trash. You just have to time the pather's routes. I agree though the Flurries should go.

[Ele]

How do you people remember game names from someone who hurt your feelings in VP 2 years ago?

Because we all have gigabytes of log text files and terabytes of FRAPs/Youtube/Twitch videos trying to capture that one special moment of someone doing something maybe against the server rules.

[Lazie]

It still to me leaves one thing out Daldaen. You put players in a box that they were never in in Velious. Live didn't change rules to suit raiding. The players used emergent gameplay to dictate the way they did things. If SoE didn't like what they were using they simply patched in things to stop it. The players then again would come up with new ways to do things.

That was the fun of classic that is missing in the raid scene here. Here you are in a box and you will get punished if you don't play inside that box. A lot of the problems we run into and the fighting with each other we have is the result of the rules and the box you have to play in. It's so easy for the game to turn into petitionquest and lawyerquest when the rules are their to petition and lawyer. Don't get me wrong I am not calling for a "Wild West". Just more classic solutions for these things.

[Ele]

It still to me leaves one thing out Daldaen. You put players in a box that they were never in in Velious. Live didn't change rules to suit raiding. The players used emergent gameplay to dictate the way they did things. If SoE didn't like what they were using they simply patched in things to stop it. The players then again would come up with new ways to do things.

That was the fun of classic that is missing in the raid scene here. Here you are in a box and you will get punished if you don't play inside that box.

The GMs banned players and disbanded guilds for questionable raiding tactics. See, e.g., Conquest and the Warder bridges.

[Lazie]

The GMs banned players and disbanded guilds for questionable raiding tactics. See, e.g., Conquest and the Warder bridges.

Well in extreme cases of course they did. Especially when exploits were used to avoid the game mechanics of the encounters. They however did not "raid suspend". They did not keep a list of raid infractions and have them cumulatively adding up. They had the Play Nice Policy and they rarely stepped in unless things were being exploited or the Play Nice Policy was not being followed.

[Ele]

They however did not "raid suspend". They did not keep a list of raid infractions and have them cumulatively adding up. They had the Play Nice Policy and they rarely stepped in unless things were being exploited or the Play Nice Policy was not being followed.

True. I would like to have seen more outright bans, whether character or guilds, instead of suspensions-in-name-only over the last 5 years. Giving people something to lose instead of a time-out likely would have straightened things out.

[maurilax]

You fail to know me then.

The goal of full repops is to have a situation where no one EVER has to sit and track a mob staring at a wall, refreshing 10 second track Windows, refreshing 5 min TL boxes, duck casting 12 second CotHs for hours and hours on end. Having many individuals willing to do those things shouldn't be the determining factor for participating in the raid scene on this server.

The goal is not to prevent guilds from having a clean sweep of 80-90% of the raid targets. That's merely a byproduct of the repop and in my eyes a good one that promotes the health of the server by allowing many guilds to raid and enjoy their raiding.

A global message goes out. Everyone knows everything is up. No need to field a 5 man FTE group from 1AM-7AM on a god damn Wednesday morning. Just one Euro or Aussie dude in your guild online able to send a batphone is sufficient if sim repops replace respawns.

CSG for example got to kill their first Dain and their first Dracoliche and were damn close to pulling in their first Cazic Thule attempt too. That's what sim repops should be about.

The hardest core people should be shuffling around fighting over ST keys, Vulak, KT, AoW, etc. While they do that every other guild can step up outside of their previous comfort zone and take shots at the Dains, Statues, WToV and NToV targets of their choice, mostly uninterrupted if they go quickly.

If you want to go as classic as possible (which I'm in favor of)... go back through server patch history and you see how many patches they put out in 2001 (Velious era), they were averaging about 1 every 2 weeks. Every single patch they did took down the server and brought it back up with full respawns. This doesn't even include server outages for other reasons which were somewhat common as well.

Sim repops twice monthly that update all respawn timers. The normal respawns have 0 variance (which is mostly classic for most of these targets), so that the 3-day mobs spawn with correct frequency and so that the more casual guilds can pick a target on a respawn and plan around sniping that mob the when it respawns. Probably honing their strategy of pulling or killing that specific target, before moving onto a new target the following week with the next sim repop. The hardcore guilds can battle each other for their high end targets. Then after 1 respawn cycle with known respawn times for the 7 day targets you can expect another sim repop and the cycle repeats itself.

I would love to play on this server.

[FatMice]

Lazie while I agree with you because we share the same perspective. You are barking up the wrong tree at this point. I wish we could write our perspective to our hearts content in order to change other peoples perspective or tell them our truths, but most are easily tricked by mindless posts and single minded interpretation all due to the shit flung around on these boards.

[Lazie]

True. I would like to have seen more outright bans, whether character or guilds, instead of suspensions-in-name-only over the last 5 years. Giving people something to lose instead of a time-out likely would have straightened things out.

I agree. For better or worse this would have kept petitions and lawyering from having a huge impact on this server. People would understand that when the GM's step in the hammer will be dropped.

[Daldaen]

They didn't have a server of 1000s of level 60s though. That is the primary difference.

5-10 guilds on this server could, if given a day or two, kill a few NToV Dragons.

On live though, each server only had 2-3 capable of doing so and they would stick to certain factions often times, so 1 guild went giant and 1 went dragon for example. So they rarely competed for the same targets.

I agree that players figuring out the best way to do things is great, but the problem is so many are capable of killing raid targets on this server that it boils down to who is willing to spend the most time waiting around for a mob to spawn. That to me is dumb. That's why variance has always been dumb (and not classic).

The thing I miss the most about raiding on other EQ servers was my guilds would have raid nights, starting at 6:30 or 8:30, then we'd send some Rangers and Druids to random zones, see what is up, and then raid for 2-3 hours and camp for the night. Do this maybe 2-3-4 times a week, and be happy with ourselves.

I don't see that ever happening on P99 so long as guilds remain as huge as they are and people have such lust for their pixels.

But maybe eventually a few more guilds will follow in Rampage's footsteps and quit and the server may be left with a situation that allows that to occur.

[Lazie]

They didn't have a server of 1000s of level 60s though. That is the primary difference.

5-10 guilds on this server could, if given a day or two, kill a few NToV Dragons.

On live though, each server only had 2-3 capable of doing so and they would stick to certain factions often times, so 1 guild went giant and 1 went dragon for example. So they rarely competed for the same targets.

I agree that players figuring out the best way to do things is great, but the problem is so many are capable of killing raid targets on this server that it boils down to who is willing to spend the most time waiting around for a mob to spawn. That to me is dumb. That's why variance has always been dumb (and not classic).

The thing I miss the most about raiding on other EQ servers was my guilds would have raid nights, starting at 6:30 or 8:30, then we'd send some Rangers and Druids to random zones, see what is up, and then raid for 2-3 hours and camp for the night. Do this maybe 2-3-4 times a week, and be happy with ourselves.

I don't see that ever happening on P99 so long as guilds remain as huge as they are and people have such lust for their pixels.

But maybe eventually a few more guilds will follow in Rampage's footsteps and quit and the server may be left with a situation that allows that to occur.

Yep. Can't agree with everything but respect your viewpoint. This server needed a split off a long time ago to another viable server. People just have the 1 option for the gameplay P99 presents. in 2001 they had a lot of servers.

[Ele]

They didn't have a server of 1000s of level 60s though. That is the primary difference.

5-10 guilds on this server could, if given a day or two, kill a few NToV Dragons.

On live though, each server only had 2-3 capable of doing so and they would stick to certain factions often times, so 1 guild went giant and 1 went dragon for example. So they rarely competed for the same targets.

I agree that players figuring out the best way to do things is great, but the problem is so many are capable of killing raid targets on this server that it boils down to who is willing to spend the most time waiting around for a mob to spawn. That to me is dumb. That's why variance has always been dumb (and not classic).

The thing I miss the most about raiding on other EQ servers was my guilds would have raid nights, starting at 6:30 or 8:30, then we'd send some Rangers and Druids to random zones, see what is up, and then raid for 2-3 hours and camp for the night. Do this maybe 2-3-4 times a week, and be happy with ourselves.

I don't see that ever happening on P99 so long as guilds remain as huge as they are and people have such lust for their pixels.

But maybe eventually a few more guilds will follow in Rampage's footsteps and quit and the server may be left with a situation that allows that to occur.

Ah I remember the days of running around for a few minutes on my druid between classes/work checking various zones to see what dragons/bosses to add to the MotD for that evening's raid time.

Also, there were servers that had geographically distinct populations that had little cross-over with other time zones or interaction with other guilds. A lot of US-based guilds got scraps on patch day by the time US Primetime came around due to the Asian/Pacific/Australian guilds sweeping in and getting the good stuff.

[Jarnauga]

We got dominated on ST key mobs until ironically you merged (all those Taken guys falling asleep) but apart from the early months in ToV (when we lost some of our more loot hungry pixel whores to you) that zone was on a way one trend to being owned by FA. See year to date kill lists.
Removing mallet- spamming on spawns seems to be the straw that broke Hokushin and thus rampages back. He made his displeasure obvious on Sirkens stream.

Necro'ing that: didn't you app to Rampage before being offered a DKP package to stay in Forsaken..?

[FatMice]

Necro'ing that: didn't you app to Rampage before being offered a DKP package to stay in Forsaken..?

If you're going to start this shit again, have proof. This shit is getting absurd. Didn't you guys claim to quit? Cold turkey is hard to do man.

[Detoxx]

I guess I was just hallucinating all those times Hoku would speak on teamspeak and id hear his keyboard keys in the background getting slaughtered huh?

This whole narrative you've created in your head where coth racing saved you guys from the evil autofirers of Rampage is fucking hilarious. You realize Detoxx fought to keep ToV rules the way they were right? Him and Hoku agreed to some shit like 1 representative max at a spawn or something and Pint wouldn't agree to it so finally Sirken said fuck it, back to regular ruleset.

Rofl. The blatant lies are just hilarious at this point. You guys literally went like 28/30 for 2 weeks in ToV. Think about that. Read back in Rampages updates on guild threads. TWENTY EIGHT FOR THIRTY. Yea, obviously you were doing it legitimate. And after that Hoku Fraps, anyone who believes that is dillusional.

Keep spinning away Feign. Keep spinning.

[Morlaeth]

^ Wow a Detoxx post without horrendous spelling/grammar? Color me surprised!

[Morlaeth]

So, Detoxx, was your wizard account banned or just suspended, by the way?

[Lazie]

Necro'ing that: didn't you app to Rampage before being offered a DKP package to stay in Forsaken..?

Skew left TMO when Forsaken split off and was in Rampage. He wasn't in Forsaken until he left Rampage. I sent him a tell when I came back and started playing again and talked to him. Me and him have been friends for long while in game. We've been in 4 guilds together now. He came to the decision that he wasn't happy in Rampage with the amount of time he had to play. He was very complimentary about some things you guys did and not so complimentary about others. He is however and always will be an asset to anyone who calls him a friend. I will always nag him until he is guilded with me if needed.

The guy is simply class and a fun guy to have around any guild.

[Jarnauga]

If you're going to start this shit again, have proof. This shit is getting absurd. Didn't you guys claim to quit? Cold turkey is hard to do man.

App thread been moved since, but a simple search on our forums show that he was tagged Rampage in july 2015 and got dkp for some raids

How hypocrite to then shit on the "loot whores that jumped ship" amirite ?

[Tuljin]

Remember when you were a kid in the 80s/90s and Kool Aid was about the best tasting thing ever??? P99 Remembers

(Insert Pepperidge Farm meme here)

[khanable]

Remember when you were a kid in the 80s/90s and Kool Aid was about the best tasting thing ever??? P99 Remembers

(Insert Pepperidge Farm meme here)

Tang, dawg

[Tuljin]

Tang, dawg

Rofl

[Ele]

Tang, dawg

Nectar of the Astronauts!

[Daldaen]

Nectar of the Astronauts!

NASA made it, you know it's healthy for you. They do science and shit.

[khanable]

From the wiki:

Tang was used by earlier NASA manned space flights.[6] In 1962, when Mercury astronaut John Glenn conducted eating experiments in orbit, Tang was selected for the menu;[2] it was also used during some Gemini flights. In 2013, Buzz Aldrin, said: "Tang sucks".[7]

Oh buzz

[Legday]

When the sole goal of your existence is to "beat" or "crush" another guild, then you are playing the game in a way I just can't subscribe to.

Just catching up here so forgive the old quote...

Think about what you are saying. Rampage just woke the sleeper for the sole purpose of spiting their competition and laying bragging rights over them. Sound familiar? Oh yeah right...

"When the sole goal of your existence is to "beat" or "crush" another guild, then you are playing the game in a way I just can't subscribe to."

Rampage was without question the best at one thing - PR campaigns to make the rest of the server think they were helpful big brothers to all.

Deal with them in direct competition for a single weekend and you'll see that they were no different than the impressions people have on FA.

[khanable]

Shut up legday were talking about sugary drinks now

[Daldaen]

Let's be honest here. They did it because they wanted to experience a special event they never had and to put their name in the server first books.

Sleeper will get put back to sleep and you will get your SoDs and Shrouds. Don't worry about that.

Less than half of the servers on live woke the sleeper during Velious. One could argue a non-Warder filled Velious isn't classic. Considering this is the final frontier it wouldn't make sense to keep them down permanently anyways.

[raitheon]

Cucumbers; where will you go?

[Raev]

Its funny how one sided Sirken is, if hes going to suspend Detoxx's wizard for some questionable fraps then surely Hokushin and Mahavishnu should have been suspended for using autofire on Cekenar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJKo2QpKZc

Wait, THIS is the vaunted Moosejaw fraps that you guys have been talking about? It looks like every noble engage ever. You can see about 5-10 of your players attack instantly as well. So Rampage had a 25-30% chance based on numbers alone, and Hokushin and Cal both live in the north east (very low ping) and have a few FTE tricks that you may not know about. I mean, they COULD have been autofiring but the only thing that fraps really proves is that Forsaken/Asgard tried to get Cekenar into summoning range by malleting him and then attacking him for 20 seconds.

The Detoxx autofire fraps aren't 100% clear either, IMO, but you can see that he fills two chatboxes with spam in less than a second. That simply isn't possible with keyboard spamming. Try it yourself.

Anyway, I tried for 2 years to get the GMs to implement a respawn system rather than FTE/COH idiocy and failed. I believe Sirken was in favor but Rogean didn't want to give up control. It would make raiding on this server WAY more fun, but it's just not going to happen.

[Endonde]

Shut up legday were talking about sugary drinks now

http://i.imgur.com/e5S15FI.png

[Lazie]

Wait, THIS is the vaunted Moosejaw fraps that you guys have been talking about? 1. It looks like every noble engage ever. You can see about 5-10 of your players attack instantly as well. So Rampage had a 25-30% chance based on numbers alone, and Hokushin and Cal both live in the north east (very low ping) and have a few FTE tricks that you may not know about. I mean, they COULD have been autofiring but the only thing that fraps really proves is that Forsaken/Asgard tried to get Cekenar into summoning range by malleting him and then attacking him for 20 seconds.

The Detoxx autofire fraps aren't 100% clear either, IMO, but you can see that he fills two chatboxes with spam in less than a second. 2. That simply isn't possible with keyboard spamming. Try it yourself.

Anyway, I tried for 2 years to get the GMs to implement a respawn system rather than FTE/COH idiocy and failed. I believe Sirken was in favor but Rogean didn't want to give up control. It would make raiding on this server WAY more fun, but it's just not going to happen.

1. No it looks nothing like a Noble engage. Hokushin pulls aggro and his automation throws a jav. He isn't as his keyboard at the time and dies instead of hitting a gate potion,discing,or FD'ing. He just randomly chose to throw a Jav.

2. Yes you can. Very easily.

[khanable]

Cucumbers; where will you go?

<idiots and savages>, duh

Batphoning argh as we speak

Watch out ec tunnel

[Daldaen]

If we are continuing on sugary drinks... I don't want a Sunny D, I want that Purple Stuff.

Aww screw this new image code.

[Raev]

1. So he hit the wrong button? Clearly the javelin wasn't part of an autofire script, because everyone gets FTEs with clickies.

2. Prove it. They might unban Omnia if you show them how <shrug>

[Skew]

Necro'ing that: didn't you app to Rampage before being offered a DKP package to stay in Forsaken..?

TMO broke up. I stayed guild less for a month. Appped Rampage I guess early July (you already had a fair few ex TMO by then and a good bloke in Franswa I wanted to guild with) and did some Velious Beta with you.
Was impressed with your guild , zero problems but when ghost Lazie came back i joined Forsaken later that month. I think I told him something about how you guys were going to dominate Velious - I'd have been decked out by now if I stayed assuming your LC was fair even with a dozen Rogues per raid and I knew a new guild was going to be rough but the pull of old friends and a challenge mate.
I jumped ship from the pixel cruise to the life raft.

[Lazie]

Let's be honest here. They did it because they wanted to experience a special event they never had and to put their name in the server first books.

Sleeper will get put back to sleep and you will get your SoDs and Shrouds. Don't worry about that.

Less than half of the servers on live woke the sleeper during Velious. One could argue a non-Warder filled Velious isn't classic. Considering this is the final frontier it wouldn't make sense to keep them down permanently anyways.

As soon as the Sleeper woke members from Rampage sent out tells to multiple people in other guilds linking loot from Sleepers. Most of us were just trying to get to a place to see the Sleeper Rampage. Not a lot of Rampage members. They were busy sending tells to gloat. Just the truth.

/shrug

[khysanth]

Let's be honest here. They did it because they wanted to experience a special event they never had and to put their name in the server first books.

Probably.

Sleeper will get put back to sleep and you will get your SoDs and Shrouds. Don't worry about that.

Hopefully not. Devs putting the Sleeper back to sleep would be one of the most un-classic things to happen on this classic emulation server.

[Ele]

As soon as (mob died) members from (killing guild) sent out tells to multiple people in other guilds linking loot from (dead mob). Most of us were just trying to get to a place to (kill the same mob). Not a lot of (killing guild) members. They were busy sending tells to gloat. Just the truth.

Sounds like every single raid on the server from the last 5 years.

[Endonde]

As soon as the Sleeper woke members from Rampage sent out tells to multiple people in other guilds linking loot from Sleepers. Most of us were just trying to get to a place to see the Sleeper Rampage. Not a lot of Rampage members. They were busy sending tells to gloat. Just the truth.

/shrug

To be completely fair people probably wouldn't have rubbed it in your faces if Detoxx wasn't in ST talking shit the entire time we were waking the sleeper.

[snow_man]

Gawd, half this thread is decent... other half needs to get moved over to RnF.

Sadly, I miss the days of Raid Mob rotation. 95% of the server could just ignore the TMO/IB threads bashing each other because it didn't matter. They had their 2 cycles (FFA/Competitive) and the rest of the server had their one week...

Sure, we didn't go into VP, only got every 9th spawn (2 lock outs in between), but the game was so much more enjoyable. I remember the sole dilema for most guilds was, "think we can do this solo?" not can we power level 3 more mages for this spot and 5 for this one...etc.

I would love to see a CSG vulak attempt (and I'm not even in a CSG).

[Lazie]

1. So he hit the wrong button? Clearly the javelin wasn't part of an autofire script, because everyone gets FTEs with clickies.

2. Prove it. They might unban Omnia if you show them how <shrug>


1. With audio triggers for FTE messages and supposedly staring at his screen spamming a button. I doubt in the 4 seconds it took for the mob to get to him he didn't have time to correct a wrong button push. The guy was AFK.

2. You can bind 2 keys to any macro. You can also choose to mouse click the clicky at the same time. You can bind multiple things to one key. In the sit on spawn days in VP as a Monk I had a Brazier pet(/pet attack macro), /target macro, a clicky, and target npc all bound to 2 keys. DA idol and discs were bound to keys right next to it. My window spam was 4 times worse than what you saw in that fraps and I can guarantee you I didn't use anything that automated it.

[Legday]

Wait, THIS is the vaunted Moosejaw fraps that you guys have been talking about? It looks like every noble engage ever. You can see about 5-10 of your players attack instantly as well. So Rampage had a 25-30% chance based on numbers alone, and Hokushin and Cal both live in the north east (very low ping) and have a few FTE tricks that you may not know about.

I have (without AF) won a 100 man Noble FTE in the past, contested late window RF click fests, etc. My technique on spam clicking is fine. I live in the NE as well with very low ping. There are a handful of other FA members in that screenshot that I know use the right spam technique. There is just no possible way that Hoku and Cal can start their casting spell graphic in unison 1/4 seconds before any of us even moved. It's as clear cut AF as I can imagine. Ask any Asgardian who was in vent when these fraps were first being discussed. Before I watched them I was trying to talk everybody off the ledge because it most likely was impossible to prove. Then I watched the fraps.

the only thing that fraps really proves is that Forsaken/Asgard tried to get Cekenar into summoning range by malleting him and then attacking him for 20 seconds.

I've heard that this is an actual opinion that you guys countered with when we called you on AF originally. I lost a lot of respect for you guys when I found out this thought actually inhabited your collective brains.

A&W cream soda.

[Charm]

Each week set each guild to do a certain zone like week 1

Rampage - ToV
Forsaken - Kael + Dain + Yelinak
N/A - VP
N/A - all Kunark Dragons
N/A - ST (Depends on Keys)

so each week a raiding guild has something to do and they can make their own times

Mon- Sunday Probem solved no more poopsocking

[Endonde]

I have (without AF) won a 100 man Noble FTE in the past, contested late window RF click fests, etc. My technique on spam clicking is fine. I live in the NE as well with very low ping. There are a handful of other FA members in that screenshot that I know use the right spam technique. There is just no possible way that Hoku and Cal can start their casting spell graphic in unison 1/4 seconds before any of us even moved. It's as clear cut AF as I can imagine. Ask any Asgardian who was in vent when these fraps were first being discussed. Before I watched them I was trying to talk everybody off the ledge because it most likely was impossible to prove. Then I watched the fraps.



I've heard that this is an actual opinion that you guys countered with when we called you on AF originally. I lost a lot of respect for you guys when I found out this thought actually inhabited your collective brains.

A&W cream soda.

As far as the whole you can't spam that fast, you absolutely can, as far as your technique is concerned based off what Lazie, and other have said it isn't optimal and is probably why you lost the jav spam competitions, but based off that fraps from Detoxx I don't think his clicking speed was what got him the autofire suspension.

As far as the getting Cekenar into summoning range thing is concerned, it looks fairly clear that a decent amount of F/A went to attack Cekenar after Rampage had gotten FTE. Not saying your entire guilds tried to do it, but a decent amount of people went and attacked Cekenar for no real reason, I can only assume that their plan was to get it into summoning range to summon our FTE'er.

[Lazie]

Sounds like every single raid on the server from the last 5 years.

Daldaen said they did it solely for a guild first and for the enjoyment of the accomplishment. I was pointing out that was not true. Again there was one reason that some of the officers in Rampage chose to Wake the Sleeper and it wasn't because of the claims being made. I for one know you were a huge proponent of not waking it in TMO. There is only one reason to do so with the knowledge we all have of Velious and that is spite and to limit others. We all already knew the results of him wakening.

EDIT: Anyone watching Hokushin's stream heard the Teamspeak and the people constantly talking about Detoxx and the things they were going to stop him from getting.

[Lazie]

As far as the whole you can't spam that fast, you absolutely can, as far as your technique is concerned based off what Lazie, and other have said it isn't optimal and is probably why you lost the jav spam competitions.

As far as the getting Cekenar into summoning range thing is concerned, it looks fairly clear that a decent amount of F/A went to attack Cekenar after Rampage had gotten FTE. Not saying your entire guilds tried to do it, but a decent amount of people went and attacked Cekenar for no real reason, I can only assume that their plan was to get it into summoning range to summon our FTE'er.

I was around 50/50 with that technique. /shrug

Again it is down to ping and timing unless something outside the game mechanics is being used. No one person in those situations can consistently win. You want as many button pushes as possible to time when the mob spawns. The more you have and the more ways you can aggro the mob the better chance you have. Pets won a lot of FTE's in VP.

[Morlaeth]

Still waiting to hear from Detoxx regarding his wizard. Banned or suspended?

Heard he is blaming it on account sharing? Sure looked like his UI in that fraps.

[Raev]

You can bind 2 keys to any macro. You can also choose to mouse click the clicky at the same time. You can bind multiple things to one key. In the sit on spawn days in VP as a Monk I had a Brazier pet(/pet attack macro), /target macro, a clicky, and target npc all bound to 2 keys. DA idol and discs were bound to keys right next to it. My window spam was 4 times worse than what you saw in that fraps and I can guarantee you I didn't use anything that automated it.
How about you fraps yourself doing it. As I said, they might unban Omnia. I don't pretend to be an FTE jav spam master though, my attention span is way too short.

There is just no possible way that Hoku and Cal can start their casting spell graphic in unison 1/4 seconds before any of us even moved.
I don't think you understand how autofire works. I didn't bother to download the fraps and step through them frame by frame, but if your claim is true then it couldn't be autofire, which is incapable of generating a 1/4 second lead time (unless your guild, collectively, was hitting keys less than 4x per second, which seems very unlikely).

I lost a lot of respect for you guys when I found out this thought actually inhabited your collective brains.

I mean, its impossible to prove intent, what exactly were you doing attacking it for 20 seconds?

[Endonde]

I was around 50/50 with that technique. /shrug

Again it is down to ping and timing unless something outside the game mechanics is being used. No one person in those situations can consistently win. You want as many button pushes as possible to time when the mob spawns. The more you have and the more ways you can aggro the mob the better chance you have. Pets won a lot of FTE's in VP.

You're only using half the buttons you could be pressing.

[Detoxx]

Wait, THIS is the vaunted Moosejaw fraps that you guys have been talking about? It looks like every noble engage ever. You can see about 5-10 of your players attack instantly as well. So Rampage had a 25-30% chance based on numbers alone, and Hokushin and Cal both live in the north east (very low ping) and have a few FTE tricks that you may not know about. I mean, they COULD have been autofiring but the only thing that fraps really proves is that Forsaken/Asgard tried to get Cekenar into summoning range by malleting him and then attacking him for 20 seconds.

The Detoxx autofire fraps aren't 100% clear either, IMO, but you can see that he fills two chatboxes with spam in less than a second. That simply isn't possible with keyboard spamming. Try it yourself.

Anyway, I tried for 2 years to get the GMs to implement a respawn system rather than FTE/COH idiocy and failed. I believe Sirken was in favor but Rogean didn't want to give up control. It would make raiding on this server WAY more fun, but it's just not going to happen.

1. Slow it down to .25x
2. 25 to 30% chance? Lol you're delusional. 50 FA, 2 Rampage on that spawn point.

[Gorillas]

When are all you Rampage assholes gonna shut up and leave? You already pissed in the pool.

[Euth]

I thought Rampage all got butthurt and quit, why are you all still posting?

[Lazie]

You're only using half the buttons you could be pressing.

Yeah. Still doesn't matter. I am still getting the same amount of inputs of anyone else spamming keys. That is where ping comes into play. A players ability to hit the keys can only go so fast. Unless of course you are using automation. Which takes us in a circle.

[Legday]

I mean, its impossible to prove intent, what exactly were you doing attacking it for 20 seconds?

I remember trying to explain in vent/ts how to bind 2 commands (clicky,target) to a single keyboard stroke, and spam that. It doesn't mean everybody took the advice. The method most people casually attempted was turn auto attack on and spam nearest target.

20 seconds is extreme. More like 3-4 seconds. There was so much text spam that people who used the auto attack method probably didn't see that Cal got FTE and just started wacking the dragon until it was called clearly in vent to stop.

I feel like this all very self explanatory. I'm confused why you think it was some evil plan to exploit summon mechanics and illegally (obviously illegal, would be petitioned and won by you) win a mob and get loot deleted and raid suspended?

[reborn649]

Sleeper woke up and Rampage Tag is essentially no more, but not all Rampage members quitting server obviously.

Sleeper was gonna wake up before everyone on server had a chance to get their jollies in there. Someone was bound to be upset even if it was 10 years from now.

Raid environment has always been a shit show every time the top guild at the time has competition, nothing new there. Stop acting surprised.

Some people in this thread need a hug.

Also, Yoohoo greatest childhood drink.

[Ele]

Daldaen said they did it solely for a guild first and for the enjoyment of the accomplishment. I was pointing out that was not true. Again there was one reason that some of the officers in Rampage chose to Wake the Sleeper and it wasn't because of the claims being made. I for one know you were a huge proponent of not waking it in TMO. There is only one reason to do so with the knowledge we all have of Velious and that is spite and to limit others. We all already knew the results of him wakening.

It doesn't necessarily make it false either.

There can certainly be multiple reasons, even competing reasons, for waking him within a single guild. EQ is whatever each person makes it. Some people play to make friends. Some people play to see dragons. Some people play to craft things. Some people play the bazaar game. Some people play to BIS. And yes, some people play to actively deny/hinder other people's progression. There are all kinds of people in all the different guilds. TMO had some people that played solely to deny other's entry into VP. FE had some people that played solely to deny other's entry into VP. BDA ruled the rotation list with an iron fist. Based on my prior experiences, the people in the active pixel-denial crowd were usually the most vocal and spent the most time tracking/FTEing, so I guess they could say they had a vested interest in maintaining that position.


I am still a proponent for leaving him be; however, I can certainly understand why people would want to have that title of "first and only." To be real though it was simply a matter of time before someone woke him. People couldn't even leave OOA alone for a few weeks even though it massively benefited everyone interested in Noble loots.

[Freakish]

I find it funny everyone cries autofire on both sides. For the record, I don't think omnia autofired nor do I think hoku did.

The raid scene devolved back into the kunark cothquest style of raiding that I despise. That's what burns me out. Not whether I win the mob or lose it, because it will always be there next week.

The only mob I was really salty on was when FAT killed yelinak with 120+. They engaged and their clerics ran out of mana around 50% but a rez the dead and send bodies strat in was enough to zerg him down. Don't need tanks, just eat a round and keep rezzing.

[Raev]

1. Slow it down to .25x
2. 25 to 30% chance? Lol you're delusional. 50 FA, 2 Rampage on that spawn point.

No, 80% of your guys were AFK. In The A-Team we used to actually measure who was FTE spamming for noble, and it started at 25% and gradually worked its way up to 75%. People weren't facing the right way, weren't close enough, didn't want to die, were just lazy, etc. And that was when we had the timer and only had to spam for 2-3 minutes, not hours.

A players ability to hit the keys can only go so fast. Unless of course you are using automation. Which takes us in a circle.

Question: if I write a program that somehow manages to generate 10000 keypresses per second, can I get FTE 0.25 seconds before a guild of people spamming keys?

[Endonde]

Yeah. Still doesn't matter. I am still getting the same amount of inputs of anyone else spamming keys. That is where ping comes into play. A players ability to hit the keys can only go so fast. Unless of course you are using automation. Which takes us in a circle.

Unless you have a physical limitation that prevents your from hitting 4 keys, there really is no way 2 keys is as good as 4.

https://youtu.be/uFtGB6NGKXk

At the start of this video I use 2 keys, then I switch to 4 and you can see a very clear difference in how fast the chat scrolls.

[Lazie]

No, 80% of your guys were AFK. In The A-Team we used to actually measure who was FTE spamming for noble, and it started at 25% and gradually worked its way up to 75%. People weren't facing the right way, weren't close enough, didn't want to die, were just lazy, etc. And that was when we had the timer and only had to spam for 2-3 minutes, not hours.



Question: if I write a program that somehow manages to generate 10000 keypresses per second, can I get FTE 0.25 seconds before a guild of people spamming keys?

No that is too many inputs. Mouse wheel scrolling would give too many inputs as well. The thing is to be consistent and have great ping. Don't have anything overwriting one action you are trying to do. Sending out all those inputs wouldn't get them all registered by the server.

[Raev]

20 seconds is extreme. More like 3-4 seconds.

I mean, people actually ran over to Cekenar while he was running up the steps and started attacking and continued attacking for more than 3-4 seconds. I mean, as I said no one can prove intent, and you can always employ the incompetence defense (as long as you pay BDA royalties) but I'm surprised that no one had a better audio trigger to tell people to stop attacking.

Anyway, I don't take all this stuff so seriously. I've never FTE spammed anything for more than 2 minutes in my time on this server, and most of my 'tracking' DKP was for trainups or COH fte that don't require being glued to the screen, which is something that I'm terribly bad at. I just like analyzing things after the fact, and I'm pretty sure that this fraps indicates that Hoku & Cal have a better technique than you guys do. He's mentioned at least one thing to me that hasn't come up in this thread yet.

Regardless, time for me to stop forumquesting and get some breakfast.

PS Thanks for the fraps toggin, I see I have to retract my statement about chatbox spam!

[Lazie]

Unless you have a physical limitation that prevents your from hitting 4 keys, there really is no way 2 keys is as good as 4.

https://youtu.be/uFtGB6NGKXk

At the start of this video I use 2 keys, then I switch to 4 and you can see a very clear difference in how fast the chat scrolls.

Then you are setting up your hotkeys differently. As long as the action you are trying to get registered registers the extra keys do not matter. You just can't do anything that overwrites the actions you are trying to get registered via macros/hotkeys.

I do however thank you for showing there is nothing special about Detoxx's spam.

[Endonde]

Then you are setting up your hotkeys differently. As long as the action you are trying to get registered registers the extra keys do not matter. You just can't do anything that overwrites the actions you are trying to get registered via macros/hotkeys.

I do however thank you for showing there is nothing special about Detoxx's spam.

Yea I don't really think it's the spam that did him in, there are some other interesting parts of the video that lead to the autofire conclusion, but honestly that shits over my head.

[Daldaen]

Sirken can I be a GM to fix the raid scene?

[khanable]

Just make chest a GM

He will rule justly

[mrmop520]

Take it easy Rampage / IB, most of us will miss the fierce competition.
The times when everything wasn't determined by petition quest or jav-spam, i'm sure the competition was enjoyable for everyone. Sure CoH FTE racing isn't as fun as clearing trash and racing to pull and / or debating how many adds you can handle with the dragon, but it surely beats jav / mallet spamming the spawn points.

Hey at least Velious so far has not been as heavily based on petition quest as the last year or so in Kunark and VP, although recently it has definitely been a bigger factor.

[azeth]

Way to fix the raid scene -

1. Root every Velious raid mob


That's it. That's the fix.

[zanderklocke]

http://i.imgur.com/oA1n0NI.png

[Lazie]

Way to fix the raid scene -

1. Root every Velious raid mob


That's it. That's the fix.

Nah...People would just kite the trash for each mob and kill it on spawn with the current binds in ToV. It's easy to Ping Pong the trash back and forth. It would probably trivialize it further as you can guarantee mobs are solo without pulling them.

[Ele]

and that pre-slow/debuff

[Lazie]

and that pre-slow/debuff

Mhm.

[Vorkon]

Vyemm knocking people into the lava would be pretty epic/classic.

[fan D]

ive seen it done, but ive also knocked vyemm into the lava myself

[Daldaen]

Nah...People would just kite the trash for each mob and kill it on spawn with the current binds in ToV. It's easy to Ping Pong the trash back and forth. It would probably trivialize it further as you can guarantee mobs are solo without pulling them.

This has always boggled my mind. Forgetting for a moment they aren't classic and shouldn't have ever been allowed...

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189856

Are we allowed to bind at raid mobs? And/or camp out toons at raid mobs?
A: Absolutely not.

Every single ToV train-up that is done, is in violation of this rule. People bound in PoM cubby, triplets pools and doubles are all bound at or in the vicinity of raid mobs. And they gate there on every single train up. Not to mention I'm sure some Mage bots have gated to their binds at raid mobs to CotH people.

If only classic bind rules were in on day 1.

[arsenalpow]

Just make chest a GM

He will rule justly

You actually know I would.

[khanable]

That's why I said it!

[azeth]

Nah...People would just kite the trash for each mob and kill it on spawn with the current binds in ToV. It's easy to Ping Pong the trash back and forth. It would probably trivialize it further as you can guarantee mobs are solo without pulling them.

Okay, add one caveat.

Rule #2 - You cannot intentionally train mobs in ToV, Kael, DN or ThurgB.

Don't need much of a fraps to prove that even 1 single mob was trained for a purpose beneficial to a guild.

Not to speak like I'm sold wise old sage because of P99 ToV experience, but non-Rampage members completely missed the first few months of Velious where you actually CLEARED to mobs.

[Lazie]

Okay, add one caveat.

Rule #2 - You cannot intentionally train mobs in ToV, Kael, DN or ThurgB.

Don't need much of a fraps to prove that even 1 single mob was trained for a purpose beneficial to a guild.

Not to speak like I'm sold wise old sage because of P99 ToV experience, but non-Rampage members completely missed the first few months of Velious where you actually CLEARED to mobs.

Not true. We were in there clearing. Also Rampage would Coth North and train pull a lot of the dragons to Trips area. You guys did clear some trash though.

[azeth]

Not true. We were in there clearing. Also Rampage would Coth North and train pull a lot of the dragons to Trips area. You guys did clear some trash though.

naw, you werent there in August, September, October. Don't play like you were.

[Vorkon]

There were a couple of times we were leap frogging with you guys at the Arry drop off and caused a ton of issues when Eashan//ITV spawned. With the +/- 8 hour windows I don't know how we can avoid races and not train each other. Even making rooted mobs summon would cause issues. As bad as the current system is I don't know how it can be made better. <edit> in this scenario rooting the mobs yet still forcing guilds to race to them.

[Lazie]

naw, you werent there in August, September, October. Don't play like you were.

Uhm yes we were....What ?

[nhdjoseywales]

Maybe im crazy but i swear i remember forsaken going from killing ntov on test directly to ntov on launch

[Lazie]

there was a wonderful golden time when yall were not killing in north like at all. we would even leave mobs up until primetime and clear to them.

We only raided prime time hours. You guys would clear early afternoon. The revisionist history!

[Lazie]

Maybe im crazy but i swear i remember forsaken going from killing ntov on test directly to ntov on launch

Mhm. Those server first are there for people to see.

[Skew]

there was a wonderful golden time when yall were not killing in north like at all. we would even leave mobs up until primetime and clear to them.

Sounds like Red.

The Genius' that created this server wanted competition. Shame you guys didn't like competition.

[Lazie]

Competition was the only reason we had for killing every Ntov mob 25+ times, atleast for the majority of us, everyone plays this game for diff reasons.

No. Competition when it occurred fairly has forced your guild to quit. When you had everything uncontested during the midday hours you were very happy. The loot train slowed down so your members started to stay logged out. That is just reality man.

[Ele]

By "competition" you mean 150+ people staring at a wall for hours, while a half dozen people from each side play a mini-game of tag and record the other team's actions for the slight chance of a misstep, then either side can claim victory by the mere chance that their one person managed to press a hotkey first?

[Lazie]

By "competition" you mean 150+ people staring at a wall for hours, while a half dozen people from each side play a mini-game of tag and record the other team's actions for the slight chance of a misstep, then either side can claim victory by the mere chance that their one person managed to press a hotkey first?

Just like every other raid on this server up till Velious. That is the system that was allowed on this server. You know this.

[Ele]

Just like every other raid on this server up till Velious. That is the system that was allowed on this server. You know this.

Just making sure.

[Lazie]

Eh when your guild gets another 20-30 vulaks, acutally kills tunare?(whats up with that),and finished all the content this server has to offer im sure alot of ur memberbase will feel like they have beaten the game also.

Tunare with her 2 drops isn't worth the time and effort currently. I mean you guys conned the server to help you clear the trash.

[nhdjoseywales]

Just like every other raid on this server up till Velious. That is the system that was allowed on this server. You know this.

it's still only slightly less retarded than monkeys flinging shit at each other with mouths agape.

i will take a good old fashioned dps race over this fte trainfest any day of the week and twice on sundays

[Erati]

Looking forward to a new batch of Asgardian raiders this weekend while Forsaken is suspended !

Still confused how you guys are not suspended along with your allies when you certainly participated in the encounters that Forsaken got punished for. Will your leaders take the high road and acknowledge that they took part in those kills and serve the 2 mob suspension as an Allied force? Or will you ignore this oversight conduct business as usual? You will be raiding with Forsaken during the other windows when those impacted upon mobs come into window - it seems messy to randomly do a couple of them solo.

[Pokesan]

Looking forward to a new batch of Asgardian raiders this weekend while Forsaken is suspended !

Still confused how you guys are not suspended along with your allies when you certainly participated in these encounters that Forsaken got punished for. Will your leaders take the high road and acknowledge that they took part in those kills and serve the 2 mob suspension as an Allied force? Or will you ignore this oversight conduct business as usual? You will be raiding with Forsaken during the other windows when those impacted upon mobs come into window - it seems messy to randomly do a couple of them solo.

so you're saying Asgard should concede?

[Lazie]

it's still only slightly less retarded than monkeys flinging shit at each other with mouths agape.

i will take a good old fashioned dps race over this fte trainfest any day of the week and twice on sundays

See this is the misconception (While I agree there are better ways). 90% of the time there were no "bad trains". They also were never intentional from either side I am sure. It's just the stakes that people on this server push raiding to to get a kill.

Funny but true story. The Dozekar pull is the fastest in the zone. It's relatively hard to pull him to zone in on an FTE race before he hits West door. If he takes one step through that door at all people would scream "Kite". One step. It was insanely picky but the thin line people tried to push the execution to with TL box pulling. You have no room to make a mistake and be a little slow on the tag and fix it.

[Lazie]

You do know our first Tunare kill was like a 10hr clear/kill as a solo guild correct? Everyone there on the future clears was HAPPY to be there and got gear they normally would not of, win/win for all involved and ur jelly.

Did you seriously just use the word Jelly ? Interesting.

[Lazie]

This statement also shows me the different mindset our 2 guilds actually have, Rampage was more about actually DOMINATING the content itself, yes the pixels were a nice +, but ya....(FYI Tunare can drop only 1 item confirmed) XD

No they weren't. Hokushin was literally about server firsts and getting the loot he wanted. How many Tunare kills happened after he got his fist ? Serious question.

[Ele]

Did you seriously just use the word Jelly ? Interesting.

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

[Lazie]

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

It's good on bread with peanut butter.

[Lazie]

Ya I guess you did not know that, nice deflection. ;)

It isn't a deflection. Just the mindset of the person using it proves a lot of what people are saying about people in your guild in this thread.

[Detoxx]

Looking forward to a new batch of Asgardian raiders this weekend while Forsaken is suspended !

Still confused how you guys are not suspended along with your allies when you certainly participated in the encounters that Forsaken got punished for. Will your leaders take the high road and acknowledge that they took part in those kills and serve the 2 mob suspension as an Allied force? Or will you ignore this oversight conduct business as usual? You will be raiding with Forsaken during the other windows when those impacted upon mobs come into window - it seems messy to randomly do a couple of them solo.

Think you're mistaken. Well be there on Sunday, friend. Well be there.

[Erati]

Think you're mistaken. Well be there on Sunday, friend. Well be there.

No i meant on the impacted mobs and I was too Lazie to clarify.

I know you guys will be there :)

[Jarnauga]

Well be there on Sunday, friend. Well be there.

Cringe

[Detoxx]

No they weren't. Hokushin was literally about server first and getting the loot he wanted. How many Tunare kills happened after he got his fist ? Serious question.

Game. Set. Match.

[Lazie]

No i meant on the impacted mobs and I was too Lazie to clarify.

I see what you did there sir.

[Lazie]

Game. Set. Match.

He served it right up for the spike.

[colicab]

I wonder if Omnia should be removed from that signature =(.

[Erati]

No ports for you!!! Come back 1 year!!!!

[Detoxx]

I wonder if Omnia should be removed from that signature =(.

Ill never give up on the best Wizard to grace Project 1999!

[stront]

By "competition" you mean 150+ people staring at a wall for hours, while a half dozen people from each side play a mini-game of tag and record the other team's actions for the slight chance of a misstep, then either side can claim victory by the mere chance that their one person managed to press a hotkey first?

boom

[Gimp]

Game. Set. Match.

We had been doing Tunare every other Saturday.

Hoku got his fist on 12/19. There was a repop the following Sunday (12/27), putting everything on a weekend timer.

There's your reason. Nobody was going to do a 7 hour PoG clear then have the motivation to start tracking 6+ mobs at 3AM Sunday.

So, keep reaching.

[Fountree]

Most of these guys in Rampage got their loot (their number one priority), 10th rings, legacy ST items and are now leaving the server. They probably never really enjoyed the game of EverQuest to begin with -- EQ is just another nerd competition for domination in a video game, doesn't matter what game it is whether its diablo or Starcraft or whatever. They beat it and then they move on. It's reminiscent of when IB left the server in Kunark.

Most of us who've been around awhile and have a real love of P99 and Classic EQ outgrew this mindset years ago. It sucks that the new players that discover this awesome server are constantly pushed into a toxic raid environment, and unfortunately they do what is asked of them because they're fresh, they're eager to raid, and there's no real alternative. I mean, I haven't tracked a raid target seriously for DKP in years and to many of these players that is the definition of EQ and p99. To stare at walls and not actually play. It gets to the point where you have to question these people's sanity. Having a beer or 3 and staring at the screen for hours just doesn't mesh quite well -- maybe it does for some folks.

Rampage claimed to be the best but I watched a full group of theirs gets rustled and wipe in SG to an icy servant + 1 add the other day, with a lot of the group in velious BIS gear. As a guild they haven't been all that special, they had good clerics and raid leadership but this last repop they were raiding with around 150 players, far far more than TMO ever raided with. Along with the zerging they've utilized consumables to an unprecedented degree which trivialized most of these encounters anyway.

I think its a true statement that Rampage was "special", ahem, because they approached the game like work moreso than any guild before them -- and from my experience being in the guild, most of them (not all) were boring and socially inept. There was no funny guildchat, no players on non-raid times and no personality overall. Player behavior was strictly controlled to the point of hilarity. IB at least had some characters and laughs, and a tight knit community. Same with TMO and Forsaken.

Rampage was P99 competition taken to the point where it was completely devoid of fun and was strictly "business" at all times. If you weren't raiding or tracking you were recharging. If you weren't recharging you were getting your next consumable. They'll have that legacy for sure. Thanks for making this server so much fun for everyone - I think we're all very sad to see you go. The sleeper wakening was just icing on the cake.

[Daldaen]

Looking forward to a new batch of Asgardian raiders this weekend while Forsaken is suspended !

Still confused how you guys are not suspended along with your allies when you certainly participated in the encounters that Forsaken got punished for. Will your leaders take the high road and acknowledge that they took part in those kills and serve the 2 mob suspension as an Allied force? Or will you ignore this oversight conduct business as usual? You will be raiding with Forsaken during the other windows when those impacted upon mobs come into window - it seems messy to randomly do a couple of them solo.

This also boggles my mind...

Taken/Rampage eat a suspension for killing their train, while off tanking Dracoliche. They get the suspension together because they killed the mob together.

Forsaken eats 5 suspensions, for killing or training a variety of mobs stalled and such. All mobs were killed with Asgard. Yet only Forsaken gets the suspension??

What's the reasoning for suspending 1 alliance on one petition and only 1 guild of an alliance on 5 others?

And the 5-day suspension when 80% of the targets are 7-day respawns, 5% are 5-day respawns and 15% are 3-day respawns... Seems like a troll of a suspension. Why suspend for 5 days of raiding when the vast majority of targets won't spawn, and when the reason you're being suspended in the first place was exclusively your behavior on 7-day targets.

I see Sirken also deleted all posts in the petition thread and locked it. That seems constructive...

Should just make all repops so people spread out IMO.

[fan D]

RIP omnia she died like she lived, the galaxy is at rest

[Gimp]

Most of these guys in Rampage got their loot (their number one priority), 10th rings, legacy ST items and are now leaving the server. They probably never really enjoyed the game of EverQuest to begin with -- EQ is just another nerd competition for domination in a video game, doesn't matter what game it is whether its diablo or Starcraft or whatever. They beat it and then they move on. It's reminiscent of when IB left the server in Kunark.

Most of us who've been around awhile and have a real love of P99 and Classic EQ outgrew this mindset years ago. It sucks that the new players that discover this awesome server are constantly pushed into a toxic raid environment, and unfortunately they do what is asked of them because they're fresh, they're eager to raid, and there's no real alternative. I mean, I haven't tracked a raid target seriously for DKP in years and to many of these players that is the definition of EQ and p99. To stare at walls and not actually play. It gets to the point where you have to question these people's sanity. Having a beer or 3 and staring at the screen for hours just doesn't mesh quite well -- maybe it does for some folks.

Rampage claimed to be the best but I watched a full group of theirs gets rustled and wipe in SG to an icy servant + 1 add the other day, with a lot of the group in velious BIS gear. As a guild they haven't been all that special, they had good clerics and raid leadership but this last repop they were raiding with around 150 players, far far more than TMO ever raided with. Along with the zerging they've utilized consumables to an unprecedented degree which trivialized most of these encounters anyway.

I think its a true statement that Rampage was "special", ahem, because they approached the game like work moreso than any guild before them -- and from my experience being in the guild, most of them (not all) were boring and socially inept. There was no funny guildchat, no players on non-raid times and no personality overall. Player behavior was strictly controlled to the point of hilarity. IB at least had some characters and laughs, and a tight knit community. Same with TMO and Forsaken.

Rampage was P99 competition taken to the point where it was completely devoid of fun and was strictly "business" at all times. If you weren't raiding or tracking you were recharging. If you weren't recharging you were getting your next consumable. They'll have that legacy for sure. Thanks for making this server so much fun for everyone - I think we're all very sad to see you go. The sleeper wakening was just icing on the cake.

And yet, you were in IB and just reapped Rampage two weeks ago.

Pot, kettle, etc

[Lazie]

We had been doing Tunare every other Saturday.

Hoku got his fist on 12/19. There was a repop the following Sunday (12/27), putting everything on a weekend timer.

There's your reason. Nobody was going to do a 7 hour PoG clear then have the motivation to start tracking 6+ mobs at 3AM Sunday.

So, keep reaching.

Ok. Or Hokushin had what he wanted and didn't care to take the guild there anyone... Kinda like Waking the Sleeper after not getting the Gharns.


I mean why kill Lendinaria, Zlandicar and Klandicar as 3 of your first 4 targets on a repop if you are planning to Wake the Sleeper ? It's kinda paper thin ya know. These excuses.

[Gimp]

I just explained to you why we hadn't been doing Tunare in our normal schedule, or did that go over your head?

As far as target choices, youd have to ask him. I just go where I'm needed.

[Ashkari]

Are you guys just mad your Rampage didn't hang around long enough for you to finally beat them? On a long enough time line, with attrition being what it is, I'm sure you'd win. I'm sure whoever loses the Superbowl will say if only there were a 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th quarter, they would have won! And nobody will listen to them either.

It's happened in every 'cycle' of the game. Content gets released, IB/TR/Rampage beat it, people get bored of farming it over and over and quit, DA/TMO/Forsaken come along and claim they 'ran them off the server.' New content, old players come back, IB/TR/Rampage beat it, people get bored and quit, so on and so on.

There's a reason all the Server Firsts, Epic Firsts, First lvl 50's, First lvl 60's etc. were all IB/TR/Rampage. That was what they set out to do, beat the game and beat it first. They did it, so they won.

If your goal is to week in and week out for all eternity be the best guild, enjoy the rest of your life on P99, because until Rogean pulls the plug this will go on forever.

[Lazie]

This also boggles my mind...

Taken/Rampage eat a suspension for killing their train, while off tanking Dracoliche. They get the suspension together because they killed the mob together.

Forsaken eats 5 suspensions, for killing or training a variety of mobs stalled and such. All mobs were killed with Asgard. Yet only Forsaken gets the suspension??

What's the reasoning for suspending 1 alliance on one petition and only 1 guild of an alliance on 5 others?

And the 5-day suspension when 80% of the targets are 7-day respawns, 5% are 5-day respawns and 15% are 3-day respawns... Seems like a troll of a suspension. Why suspend for 5 days of raiding when the vast majority of targets won't spawn, and when the reason you're being suspended in the first place was exclusively your behavior on 7-day targets.

I see Sirken also deleted all posts in the petition thread and locked it. That seems constructive...

Should just make all repops so people spread out IMO.

I was at most of the raids that those "Infractions" occurred. There was literally 1 legit issue of the 5.

Klandicar- Nalken pulled him with 2 Mallet charges and said so in TS. Some of our pullers did not hear this. I tagged it off the train with 3 charges and brought it to the tunnel and setup to bleed the fear. Osirous tagged it with one Mallet charge and ran to the raid for when the fear went off and I either flopped or died. Bled the fear and died before I could flop. Klandicar turned back towards Nalken because Osirous didn't hear that it needed more than 2 mallet charges. It turned around and warped through the wall. So we told our raid to run out to the front of the tunnel and kill it. It was an honest mistake by one tagger. It was iffy and could be seen as a violation.

However, we did not stay inside ToV, stall it and then zone out. WE were already buffed and prepping for Sontalak. We zoned out immediately. So the wording on this is a little odd.

Hoshkar- BDA kited Hoshkar for over 1 minute ping ponging back and forth to their raid. They then wiped and were recovering. We had an issue on the pull while they were dragging corpses. Hoshkar AE'd their raid but did not train them. They attacked Hoshkars pet but we pulled Hoshkar back away and he never touched their raid. No clue how we got hit with training BDA here.

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

Ikatiar- We started a Lady N pull to zone in on a Repop. BDA 45 seconds into this pull pulls Ikatiar after we train up and engages it in the front Hallway. Their pull cross aggroed the pull we already had started before them. Their pullers did not clear their aggro and didn't /q. The train came back to them and wiped both guilds. Who is at fault here ? The guild that didn't clear their pull aggro while pulling after we did or us ? They literally trained us with the same pull. Yet we are in trouble for it.

[Legday]

I just explained to you why we hadn't been doing Tunare in our normal schedule, or did that go over your head?

As far as target choices, youd have to ask him. I just go where I'm needed.

And since that repop Tunare hasn't died. You act like it keeps depopping and repopping on sundays during the cycle. Nope it's been up for 2 months worth of Saturday's for you guys to go and put it back on a cushy Saturday timer.

Also nobody had fun with you guys in PoG, but not because of anything you did or didn't do. It's just impossible to have fun in that zone.

[Joyelle]

I was at most of the raids that those "Infractions" occurred. There was literally 1 legit issue of the 5.

Klandicar- Nalken pulled him with 2 Mallet charges and said so in TS. Some of our pullers did not hear this. I tagged it off the train with 3 charges and brought it to the tunnel and setup to bleed the fear. Osirous tagged it with one Mallet charge and ran to the raid for when the fear went off and I either flopped or died. Bled the fear and died before I could flop. Klandicar turned back towards Nalken because Osirous didn't hear that it needed more than 2 mallet charges. It turned around and warped through the wall. So we told our raid to run out to the front of the tunnel and kill it. It was an honest mistake by one tagger. It was iffy and could be seen as a violation.

However, we did not stay inside ToV, stall it and then zone out. WE were already buffed and prepping for Sontalak. We zoned out immediately. So the wording on this is a little odd.

Hoshkar- BDA kited Hoshkar for over 1 minute ping ponging back and forth to their raid. They then wiped and were recovering. We had an issue on the pull while they were dragging corpses. Hoshkar AE'd their raid but did not train them. They attacked Hoshkars pet but we pulled Hoshkar back away and he never touched their raid. No clue how we got hit with training BDA here.

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

Ikatiar- We started a Lady N pull to zone in on a Repop. BDA 45 seconds into this pull pulls Ikatiar after we train up and engages it in the front Hallway. Their pull cross aggroed the pull we already had started before them. Their pullers did not clear their aggro and didn't /q. The train came back to them and wiped both guilds. Who is at fault here ? The guild that didn't clear their pull aggro while pulling after we did or us ? They literally trained us with the same pull. Yet we are in trouble for it.

Lazie why was Asgard not suspended with you guys for these infractions?

[Tankdan]

And since that repop Tunare hasn't died. You act like it keeps depopping and repopping on sundays during the cycle. Nope it's been up for 2 months worth of Saturday's for you guys to go and put it back on a cushy Saturday timer.

Also nobody had fun with you guys in PoG, but not because of anything you did or didn't do. It's just impossible to have fun in that zone.
Hi!

I think you and Lazie forgot about Ring Wars being a thing now? We'd do up to 4 a week, which eats up a lot of time, usually on Fridays, sometimes Saturdays.

Gl on your ring wars and Tunare guild firsts if you haven't gotten them yet.

[colicab]

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.


Recovering someone else's botched pull would be pretty difficult near impossible for anyone. You know as well as anyone especially on Tormax, FTEer gets cothed in hits mallet and clicks yes on TL box. Can't really do that in the middle of a huge train of giants most of which are sowed.

This constant "warped" excuse is lame.

[Skew]

I was at most of the raids that those "Infractions" occurred. There was literally 1 legit issue of the 5.

Klandicar- Nalken pulled him with 2 Mallet charges and said so in TS. Some of our pullers did not hear this. I tagged it off the train with 3 charges and brought it to the tunnel and setup to bleed the fear. Osirous tagged it with one Mallet charge and ran to the raid for when the fear went off and I either flopped or died. Bled the fear and died before I could flop. Klandicar turned back towards Nalken because Osirous didn't hear that it needed more than 2 mallet charges. It turned around and warped through the wall. So we told our raid to run out to the front of the tunnel and kill it. It was an honest mistake by one tagger. It was iffy and could be seen as a violation.

However, we did not stay inside ToV, stall it and then zone out. WE were already buffed and prepping for Sontalak. We zoned out immediately. So the wording on this is a little odd.

Hoshkar- BDA kited Hoshkar for over 1 minute ping ponging back and forth to their raid. They then wiped and were recovering. We had an issue on the pull while they were dragging corpses. Hoshkar AE'd their raid but did not train them. They attacked Hoshkars pet but we pulled Hoshkar back away and he never touched their raid. No clue how we got hit with training BDA here.

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

Ikatiar- We started a Lady N pull to zone in on a Repop. BDA 45 seconds into this pull pulls Ikatiar after we train up and engages it in the front Hallway. Their pull cross aggroed the pull we already had started before them. Their pullers did not clear their aggro and didn't /q. The train came back to them and wiped both guilds. Who is at fault here ? The guild that didn't clear their pull aggro while pulling after we did or us ? They literally trained us with the same pull. Yet we are in trouble for it.

One of the worst things about Rampage core bailing is the vacuum it may leave in ToV. Rampage pullers at least knew their stuff.
Having Chest and his merry band of retards in ToV would be an absolute cluster fuck.
BDA , Please stay in VP training mobs into Hosh lair because "thats how you do it"

[Erati]

I was at most of the raids that those "Infractions" occurred. There was literally 1 legit issue of the 5.

Klandicar- Nalken pulled him with 2 Mallet charges and said so in TS. Some of our pullers did not hear this. I tagged it off the train with 3 charges and brought it to the tunnel and setup to bleed the fear. Osirous tagged it with one Mallet charge and ran to the raid for when the fear went off and I either flopped or died. Bled the fear and died before I could flop. Klandicar turned back towards Nalken because Osirous didn't hear that it needed more than 2 mallet charges. It turned around and warped through the wall. So we told our raid to run out to the front of the tunnel and kill it. It was an honest mistake by one tagger. It was iffy and could be seen as a violation.

However, we did not stay inside ToV, stall it and then zone out. WE were already buffed and prepping for Sontalak. We zoned out immediately. So the wording on this is a little odd.

Hoshkar- BDA kited Hoshkar for over 1 minute ping ponging back and forth to their raid. They then wiped and were recovering. We had an issue on the pull while they were dragging corpses. Hoshkar AE'd their raid but did not train them. They attacked Hoshkars pet but we pulled Hoshkar back away and he never touched their raid. No clue how we got hit with training BDA here.

Lady M- Pull went west and we immediately dropped it and let her start resetting for well over a minute. Rampage/Taken made no attempt to pull it. She got back to 4-way after this time and we repulled her after dropping the pull. Don't really understand the problem here. When you drop a pull and give the other guild an opportunity to pull and they don't. How long are you supposed to wait ?

Tormax- Same as Lady M. Pull warped and went towards EW. We dropped it and the other guild had an opportunity to pull and didn't. Again... How long are you supposed to wait ? No one has said anything clearly here. 1 minute ? 2 minutes ? No clue here. We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.

Ikatiar- We started a Lady N pull to zone in on a Repop. BDA 45 seconds into this pull pulls Ikatiar after we train up and engages it in the front Hallway. Their pull cross aggroed the pull we already had started before them. Their pullers did not clear their aggro and didn't /q. The train came back to them and wiped both guilds. Who is at fault here ? The guild that didn't clear their pull aggro while pulling after we did or us ? They literally trained us with the same pull. Yet we are in trouble for it.

Did Asgard receive loot from all these encounters?

I know they were on the encounter logs for all as well as taking part in the planning, tracking and pulling of those mobs. Even updated them as 'kills' on their own Asgard guild thread.

Detoxx never responded to me when I asked him this question in the raid dicussion forum post that is now deleted and locked for no reason. Nemce also asked a reasonable question as well which is also deleted.

If you shared all the responsibilities AND the spoils of those kills with your allied partners why does it make any sense for them to not also be suspended along side of you too?

[Lazie]

Lazie why was Asgard not suspended with you guys for these infractions?

Because the majority of those infractions as I just pointed out should not be punished ? I can see one and a long stretch at maybe 2. At least give a clear definition of how long you have to wait after you drop a pull. Because it seems giving 1 minute or longer isn't enough when it is us. However, the last Dain showed you could ping pong him back and forth from his spawn 2 or 3 times and train multiple people and it's legitimately ok to pull and kill the mob without punishment. Why is Dracoliche your only infraction ? We can name basically the same infractions for you guys that were that close.

Tracker FTE on Yelinak- Rampage pretends to be raiding alone and neither guild gets in trouble.

Trains by Rampage at Zlandicar- Multiple at these and no Zlandicar suspensions happened even with fraps presented.

Rampage and Taken- Zoned out a Lady N and trained it onto Detoxx when he had FTE on Vulak on Dracomir. No punishment. You guys literally zoned a mob you had killed down to 60% and trained a puller with it. You then pulled and failed on Vulak immediately after this.

[Erati]

We witnessed Taken and Rampage train Dain to zone in 2 times and train multiple people the last Dain. They dropped it and picked it up 3 times before killing it while killing other people with trains. They still pulled and killed Dain without the other guild having an opportunity to pull.


We alrdy conceded the next Dain for this error. Unlike other guilds who must utilize dat PetitionQuest to score wins.

[Erati]

Tracker FTE on Yelinak- Rampage pretends to be raiding alone and neither guild gets in trouble.



Taken not only did not participate in any part of the encounter but also completely exited the scene.

We in addition to that received no loot from Yelinak. The ST key + head he dropped did not count towards Rampage on our loot rotation ( you guys should know how allied loot works by now so this is significant to not count against your rotation )

We essentially never were at that Yelinak for all extensive purposes - however Asgard was certainly at all those encounters you listed AND shared loot.

Correct me if I am wrong however, did Asgard get loot from any of those encounters?

They added them as kills to their own guild thread - not Forsakens

[Lazie]

We alrdy conceded the next Dain for this error. Unlike other guilds who must utilize dat PetitionQuest to score wins.

We were never offered the opportunity to concede. Glad you were. Unlike Rampage we give guilds that opportunity before petitioning.

[Gimp]

We were never offered the opportunity to concede. Glad you were. Unlike Rampage we give guilds that opportunity before petitioning.

It's easy to say that considering we were asked to concede nearly every mob we touched

[khysanth]

This thread delivers

[Lazie]

Taken not only did not participate in any part of the encounter but also completely exited the scene.

We in addition to that received no loot from Yelinak. The ST key + head he dropped did not count towards Rampage on our loot rotation ( you guys should know how allied loot works by now so this is significant to not count against your rotation )

We essentially never were at that Yelinak for all extensive purposes - however Asgard was certainly at all those encounters you listed AND shared loot.

Correct me if I am wrong however, did Asgard get loot from any of those encounters?

They added them as kills to their own guild thread - not Forsakens

You were still one of the 2 trackers for the encounter. You were still heading into that encounter expecting to assist. When you disqualified yourselves they were disqualified too. Yet in this case somehow the rules got bent.

[colicab]

We were never offered the opportunity to concede. Glad you were. Unlike Rampage we give guilds that opportunity before petitioning.


This is a thing that constantly happens but our raid leadership goes ignored by FA. Probably for the best because we have all seen what communication is like with a certain over zealous leader.

[Lazie]

It's easy to say that considering we were asked to concede nearly every mob we touched

When you do shady shit like training a puller with a dragon you are killing of course you are going to get asked to concede. How do you not see that ?

[Joyelle]

Because the majority of those infractions as I just pointed out should not be punished ?

This is bullshit. Whether or not you think the charges are wrong does not negate the fact that another guild was there helping you kill the mob between last FTE and time of death, and thus are equally responsible. Did Asgard help you kill these mobs, or did they not?

Rampage and Taken- Zoned out a Lady N and trained it onto Detoxx when he had FTE on Vulak on Dracomir. No punishment. You guys literally zoned a mob you had killed down to 60% and trained a puller with it. You then pulled and failed on Vulak immediately after this.

Why was your puller with Vulak at WTOV exit when you guys set up camp at entrance? Is that not training the mob around? Perhaps your puller shouldn't have been training another mob around in west while we were attempting to kill a mob there.

[Lazie]

This is a thing that constantly happens but our raid leadership goes ignored by FA.

Not true. Your guild raided with us. All you have to do is send a tell before petitioning. If we mess up and kill the mob we usually have no problem conceding the next spawn of the mob. You guys really need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

[Erati]

You were still one of the 2 trackers for the encounter. You were still heading into that encounter expecting to assist. When you disqualified yourselves they were disqualified too. Yet in this case somehow the rules got bent.

Exactly - 1 of 2 trackers. Any guild ( if raiding solo ) can have up to 2.

Not only did we offer no advantage to Rampage but we actually HURT their chances by taking out 1 of the 2 trackers for COHing

You guys had Asgard/Forsaken versus 1 Rampage mage and Rampage yet lost

I am sorry you didnt beat Rampage to that Yelinak but Taken had nothing to do with that loss. Tracker FTE on a rooted mob hardly changes anything if the tracker immediately drops it and DQs them self which we did. Rampage did nothing wrong however according to any server rules. Taken broke the rule.

Show me how Asgard was not involved in those 5 kills you listed in that same light?

To me it looks like Sirken simply didnt want to add Asgard for some unknown reason bc it certainly is not consistent with the draco punishment that clearly demonstrates how to punish allied guilds that BOTH take part in the kill AND the loot.

[Lazie]

This is bullshit. Whether or not you think the charges are wrong does not negate the fact that another guild was there helping you kill the mob between last FTE and time of death, and thus are equally responsible. Did Asgard help you kill these mobs, or did they not?



Why was your puller with Vulak at WTOV exit when you guys set up camp at entrance? Is that not training the mob around? Perhaps your puller shouldn't have been training another mob around in west while we were attempting to kill a mob there.

Vulak never made it to West....haha. Nice attempt at spinning though. Why would you train pullers over there ? Why would you intentionally drop a summoning mob right near a puller ? Let's let the server actually see the shit that happens here. Who made that call ?

[Joyelle]

Vulak never made it to West....haha. Nice attempt at spinning though. Why would you train pullers over there ? Why would you intentionally drop a summoning mob right near a puller ? Let's let the server actually see the shit that happens here. Who made that call ?

Then please explain to me how we trained your puller when we were at West and zoned out from there

[Lazie]

Exactly - 1 of 2 trackers. Any guild ( if raiding solo ) can have up to 2.

Not only did we offer no advantage to Rampage but we actually HURT their chances by taking out 1 of the 2 trackers for COHing

You guys had Asgard/Forsaken versus 1 Rampage mage and Rampage yet lost

I am sorry you didnt beat Rampage to that Yelinak but Taken had nothing to do with that loss. Tracker FTE on a rooted mob hardly changes anything if the tracker immediately drops it and DQs them self which we did. Rampage did nothing wrong however according to any server rules. Taken broke the rule.

Show me how Asgard was not involved in those 5 kills you listed in that same light?

To me it looks like Sirken simply didnt want to add Asgard for some unknown reason bc it certainly is not consistent with the draco punishment that clearly demonstrates how to punish allied guilds that BOTH take part in the kill AND the loot.

We lost because we expected the normal act when this happens. The opposing guilds to concede. You guys are in full spin mode with your violations. Yet we are clearly guilty right ?

[nhdjoseywales]

Taken not only did not participate in any part of the encounter but also completely exited the scene.

We in addition to that received no loot from Yelinak. The ST key + head he dropped did not count towards Rampage on our loot rotation ( you guys should know how allied loot works by now so this is significant to not count against your rotation )

We essentially never were at that Yelinak for all intents and purposes - however Asgard was certainly at all those encounters you listed AND shared loot.

Correct me if I am wrong however, did Asgard get loot from any of those encounters?

They added them as kills to their own guild thread - not Forsakens

ftfm

[colicab]

Puller shouldn't have been in our raid. That exact situation has caused FA to pull huge trains of trash on us several times. Super fun.

[Lazie]

Then please explain to me how we trained your puller when we were at West and zoned out from there

Because that is where pullers are bound for all guilds in ToV. Rampage/Taken pulls the exact same way when Lendinaria is in Window. Stop with the spin and deflection and answer the question. WHO made the call to zone out a dragon onto another guilds pull ?

[Erati]

You were still one of the 2 trackers for the encounter. You were still heading into that encounter expecting to assist. When you disqualified yourselves they were disqualified too. Yet in this case somehow the rules got bent.

"Still heading to the encounter" lol

why are you not answering my simple question whether Asgard got any loot from those kills you listed?

Its not that hard to find out - check your loot rotation sheets and report back. Any other non response to this question is pure spin from the guild that most recently trained Europa/Taken with Traknon- conceded it- then procede to kill it LOL

[Lazie]

Puller shouldn't have been in our raid. That exact situation has caused FA to pull huge trains of trash on us several times. Super fun.

Really ? Oh wow. You guys got Dozekar CH'ed on us by moving cleric mobs close to our engage. Your pullers are in our camps all the time. We don't train them with mobs and Dragons. Guess the rules are different for you.

[Lazie]

"Still heading to the encounter" lol

why are you not answering my simple question whether Asgard got any loot from those kills you listed?

Its not that hard to find out - check your loot rotation sheets and report back. Any other non response to this question is pure spin from the guild that most recently trained Europa/Taken with Traknon- conceded it- then procede to kill it LOL

Why are you avoiding what I am asking ? Why spin and deflect your blame ?

[Joyelle]

Also, Taken immediately left the zone when we got DQ'd from Yelinak and did not in any way assist Rampage with that kill. We did not coth anyone, we did not heal or buff anyone, we did not do damage to or debuff Yeli at all, and we did not take a single pixel from the killing of that mob.

Prove that Asgard was not on any of the encounter logs for you suspended mobs, did not assist you in any way, and did not receive even one single pixel from each of them?

Maybe then we can talk about how the situations are comparable.

[Erati]

Really ? Oh wow. You guys got Dozekar CH'ed on us for moving cleric mobs close to our engage. Your pullers are in our camps all the time. We don't train them with mobs and Dragons. Guess the rules are different for you.

Yeah that was really shady - I dont remember who trained that near the door I was standing right there.

But look - still not answering the easier question about whether or not Asgard got any loot from those encounters

Asgard wanna answer?

[Naethyn]

New to the raid scene since November. The professionalism of Rampage was the biggest draw. It didn't take long at all to see Forsaken's leadership consistently act like children. I would be embarrassed to follow Detoxx and so should you.

[Lazie]

Also, Taken immediately left the zone when we got DQ'd from Yelinak and did not in any way assist Rampage with that kill. We did not coth anyone, we did not heal or buff anyone, we did not do damage to or debuff Yeli at all, and we did not take a single pixel from the killing of that mob.

Prove that Asgard was not on any of the encounter logs for you suspended mobs, did not assist you in any way, and did not receive even one single pixel from each of them?

Maybe then we can talk about how the situations are comparable.

Doesn't matter if you left the zone. YOU were one of THEIR trackers. The normal course of action is for both guilds to concede and leave. Rampage didn't in this situation. Yet somehow it was OK ? I mean you guys can't really be defending this in front of the server can you ?

[Erati]

Why are you avoiding what I am asking ? Why spin and deflect your blame ?

What are you asking I alrdy explained how those situations are completely different and provided an example of how it should function properly with the draco suspension of Taken/Rampage.

You insisting that 'we continued to the encounter' is false - we vacated the zone the second Breaken got FTE and believe me we were pissed about it. That was our Yelinak head on rotation!

and the other thing about tracking - I alrdy said we immediately vacated the encounter meaning Breaken didnt assist after that point of FTE so the tracking he did prior to the spawn time is irrelevant bc the violation occurred at the pop and we acted accordingly.

I am not trying to break down why or not why those Forsaken suspensions are just or not - I would just want to see consistency for guilds who take part in joint kills IE the encounter ( slaying ) and the spoils ( looting ) be punished as 1.

[Erati]

work flew by - see everyone in Norrath

move this to RnF

[Lazie]

What are you asking I alrdy explained how those situations are completely different and provided an example of how it should function properly with the draco suspension of Taken/Rampage.

You insisting that 'we continued to the encounter' is false - we vacated the zone the second Breaken got FTE and believe me we were pissed about it. That was our Yelinak head on rotation!

and the other thing about tracking - I alrdy said we immediately vacated the encounter meaning Breaken didnt assist after that point of FTE so the tracking he did prior to the spawn time is irrelevant bc the violation occurred at the pop and we acted accordingly.

I am not trying to break down why or not why those Forsaken suspensions are just or not - I would just want to see consistency for guilds who take part in joint kills IE the encounter ( slaying ) and the spoils ( looting ) be punished as 1.

Yet, you can clearly see the infractions that happened and don't get punished correct ? Why not say "If you guys got punished for that so we should have been punished for this". It has to raise questions for why you weren't. All I want is consistency too and it isn't there.

[Lazie]

work flew by - see everyone in Norrath

move this to RnF

Same actually. See you guys later.

[Lanuven]

Yet, you can clearly see the infractions that happened and don't get punished correct ? Why not say "If you guys got punished for that so we should have been punished for this". It has to raise questions for why you weren't. All I want is consistency too and it isn't there.

You talk about consistency while we are eating 2 raid suspensions for a Draco in our camp engaged while we AE'd down the adds. We had plenty of people on the encounter log and we still got in trouble. While Asgard is free from punishment on said mobs when they clearly assisted in the kill and benefited from the loot.

[colicab]

Lets both admit that ToV is not designed for two raids of 100+ people each especially with the monstrosity of train ups/downs that have been created.

I know I am in the camp of root all the things... This server would fuck that up too though, I am quite sure of that.

[colicab]

You talk about consistency while we are eating 2 raid suspensions for a Draco in our camp engaged while we AE'd down the adds. We had plenty of people on the encounter log and we still got in trouble. While Asgard is free from punishment on said mobs when they clearly assisted in the kill and benefited from the loot.

Excellent point. Seeing as this is every single CT encounter... AoE adds while CT is tanked. Interesting...

[Argh]

<idiots and savages>, duh

Batphoning argh as we speak

Watch out ec tunnel

Glory awaits.

[Erati]

I dont mind draco suspension so long as its consistent all Alliances

but the truth is in encounter logs n loot- not player made agreements

Just bc Taken/Rampage raid as allies does not mean we acted as such on that encounter- thats called making assumptions

Asgard however clearly DID raid w Forsaken for those mobs and not only are on the real encounter logs, recieved real loot they still posses AND credited themselves for those kills on the guild page

Taken and Yelinak u mention cannot b found on encounter log or sharing loot- we were camped out tho, u got us there

[Seltius]

Shut up legday were talking about sugary drinks now

Hmmm Tang.....




So has the loss of ST warders affected the pop on Blue at all yet beyond of course the people from Rampage who retired?

[azeth]

He served it right up for the spike.

Yea except you can choose your loot on Tunare and we didn't choose the monk fist any time but the last.

Game. Set. You're a bunch of retards

[azeth]

Hmmm Tang.....




So has the loss of ST warders affected the pop on Blue at all yet beyond of course the people from Rampage who retired?

I dont see why it would. It's just Reep, Lazie and Detoxx who arent getting Shrouds & SoDs.

Sucks for them

[Euth]

I love all of these desperate references to Rampage DOMINATING the content..... You do realize you guys reformed with A-team just prior to Velious and cleared content for months with zero competition? As soon as any sort of real competition had enough warm bodies to actually show up, you steadily lost targets until you essentially rage quit and f'd over a locked server by releasing Sleeper 6mo. after launch.... Not really sure where all these delusions of grandeur actually come from..??? I guess my idea of domination is a bit different, but /clap you guys are all winners!

[azeth]

I love all of these desperate references to Rampage DOMINATING the content..... You do realize you guys reformed with A-team just prior to Velious and cleared content for months with zero competition? As soon as any sort of real competition had enough warm bodies to actually show up, you steadily lost targets until you essentially rage quit and f'd over a locked server by releasing Sleeper 6mo. after launch.... Not really sure where all these delusions of grandeur actually come from..??? I guess my idea of domination is a bit different, but /clap you guys are all winners!

Hey genius, do you know why we had 0 competition? Because we dominated them off the server.

Forsaken then reformed and started raiding with Asgard. These guilds COMBINED started getting 30-70% of kills weekly on FTE competitions.

Who in the FUCK do you think you are to even have an opinion on p99s raid scene? Really?

[azeth]

Fact:

Rampage members have a combined 1500 pieces of Velious raid loot.

[Pokesan]

Hey genius, do you know why we had 0 competition? Because we dominated them off the server.

Forsaken then reformed and started raiding with Asgard. These guilds COMBINED started getting 30-70% of kills weekly on FTE competitions.

Who in the FUCK do you think you are to even have an opinion on p99s raid scene? Really?


lol check out this guy.

[Lanuven]

I love all of these desperate references to Rampage DOMINATING the content..... You do realize you guys reformed with A-team just prior to Velious and cleared content for months with zero competition? As soon as any sort of real competition had enough warm bodies to actually show up, you steadily lost targets until you essentially rage quit and f'd over a locked server by releasing Sleeper 6mo. after launch.... Not really sure where all these delusions of grandeur actually come from..??? I guess my idea of domination is a bit different, but /clap you guys are all winners!


You calling Forsaken 0% competition is pretty accurate during Velious and before. You act like they weren't in the zone trying to get FTE's or kill mobs. Its just that they couldn't do either very well till they recruited 2 other guilds to help.

I think having 100ST keys to the 2 divinity and 16 FA keys says something about our Domination.

[Pokesan]

dear azeth what the hell is wrong with you hahaha

[azeth]

dear azeth what the hell is wrong with you hahaha

Tell me more about myself anonymous, nameless, reputationless poster

[Pico]

lot of severe mental illness in this thread

[azeth]

Lot of people who have never raided ToV on this server seem to have a lot of opinions about Rampage in this thread.

Everyone hates a winner, we know.

[Euth]

LOL All the rage "who the fuck do you think you are".. LOL eat a dick. Please talk more shit on computers it is TERRIBLY SCARY..... LOL

[Euth]

I played more EMU server than you guys so dude, I'm the shit.... Don't know if you knew that or not....

[Euth]

Lot of people who have never raided ToV on this server seem to have a lot of opinions about Rampage in this thread.

Everyone hates a winner, we know.

Hates a quitter I think is the term...

[Psionide]

Who in the FUCK do you think you are to even have an opinion on p99s raid scene? Really?

ROFL, you're so cool dude.

[azeth]

Euth please make yourself look more retarded and identify why and how you know a single thing about p99 velious raiding.

please do tell

[Psionide]

Please keep posting.

[Euth]

Euth please make yourself look more retarded and identify why and how you know a single thing about p99 velious raiding.

please do tell

Yes, this is the point where I explain myself to a fucktard forum whore.... You read my post. If it gets you so rustled, well that is too fucking bad I guess. More condescending nerd rage though please, I got popcorn.

[Tasslehofp99]

Hey genius, do you know why we had 0 competition? Because we dominated them off the server.

Forsaken then reformed and started raiding with Asgard. These guilds COMBINED started getting 30-70% of kills weekly on FTE competitions.

Who in the FUCK do you think you are to even have an opinion on p99s raid scene? Really?

Forsaken was around and competing on day 1 of velious, much to the dismay of rampage. You could tell it made certain rampage members mad that they didn't have a nearly clean sweep of server firsts this time around.

[azeth]

Yes, this is the point where I explain myself to a fucktard forum whore.... You read my post. If it gets you so rustled, well that is too fucking bad I guess. More condescending nerd rage though please, I got popcorn.

Okay so you don't have any basis to form an opinion on the latest raid-related server developments.

Good job on that one chief

[Pokesan]

what a fantastic self-immolation

[azeth]

Dude has anyone ever in the history of a forum been outed so quickly as a bullshitter? Holy fuck Euth that was fast.

I posted 3 times pressing you and you already admitted to it.

[Pokesan]

whoosh

[Euth]

Sorry I stepped on your "accomplishments" bro. Don't lose too much sleep over it =-)

[azeth]

Sorry I stepped on your "accomplishments" bro. Don't lose too much sleep over it =-)

oh please. you dont know dick and got trashed. good game douchebag

[Euth]

oh please. you dont know dick and got trashed. good game douchebag

Haha you are such a joke bro. Have fun DOMINATING the forums too with your buddies =-).

[azeth]

Haha you are such a joke bro. Have fun DOMINATING the forums too with your buddies =-).

itt lvl 30 first-roll paladin comments on legendary guild Rampage. Please go on.

How was your trip to the giant fort last evening? And how did that experience relate to TL box FTE races?

[Alarti0001]

Lot of people who have never raided ToV on this server seem to have a lot of opinions about Rampage in this thread.

Everyone hates a winner, we know.

ITT Never been a winner before.. reveling in the glory of finally being hated.

Also Hi Azeth :)

[Soandso]

itt lvl 30 first-roll paladin comments on legendary guild Rampage. Please go on.

How was your trip to the giant fort last evening? And how did that experience relate to TL box FTE races?

I really have to brush up on my resume, prolly should put down my adventures and conquests on a 17 year old elf sim. Does it matter that they were all originally done 15 years ago?

[azeth]

Look no further for proof of instinctual envy based hatred than the New England Patriots

[azeth]

I really have to brush up on my resume, prolly should put down my adventures and conquests on a 17 year old elf sim. Does it matter that they were all originally done 15 years ago?

You miss the point. P99 is so rule-laden that you actually have to be part of and play within the raid scene/ruleset to, in my opinion, have an opinion.

[Soandso]

Idk its pretty easy to make an opinion of the raid scene here rather quickly, having been a part of it and not been a part of it.

[Thana8088]

lot of severe mental illness in this thread

PICO!

Where the pug have you been?? :p

[Naethyn]

http://i.imgur.com/kFmtZ9h.jpg

[Pokesan]

I base my opinion of the P99 raid scene solely on posts like this



Who in the FUCK do you think you are to even have an opinion on p99s raid scene? Really?

it's bad

[fiveeauxfour]

Asgard wanna answer?

u mad bro?

[Lazie]

Yea except you can choose your loot on Tunare and we didn't choose the monk fist any time but the last.

Game. Set. You're a bunch of retards

Takes an hour for her to respawn in the tree each time. I'm sure after 8 hours of clearing people would wait around for that.


You lose again.

[azeth]

Takes an hour for her to respawn in the tree each time. I'm sure after 8 hours of clearing people would wait around for that.


You lose again.

Yea you're definitely the resident expert on Tunare since you've killed her 0 times

[khanable]

Takes an hour for her to respawn in the tree each time. I'm sure after 8 hours of clearing people would wait around for that.


You lose again.

takes 15 minutes

[azeth]

Also we chose our loot every single time. So that's actual proof of you, again, have literally no idea about the topic

[Legday]

Look no further for proof of instinctual envy based hatred than the New England Patriots

18-1

[Detoxx]

18-1

Lets go G-Men!

[Legday]

Pretty sure if you kite a mob you should let it reset to its spawn point before any further attempt to re-engage. When u pull all of northwing into west where our raid force is pretty much blocking anyone from running up to 4-way from LTK it does not surprise me that we could not get FTE off ur kited mob in a min.

Ramp is told mob is dropped in ooc.
Ramp notices that in fact kite/mob/fte is dropped in west.
Ramp wiz trains up from LTK gates to sisters/trips, triggers FTE.
Ramp tagger gets a TL box and mallets mob at 4 way - takes TL.

20 seconds tops.

[Kluwen1]

Lot of people who have never raided ToV on this server seem to have a lot of opinions about Rampage in this thread.

Everyone hates a winner, we know.

Let it out bud, everything is going to be okay. You guys folded under the pressure of the competition, just admit it. There is no shame in losing! It's just unfortunate Taken got dragged into your scheme to try to survive the relentless competition of Asgard and Forsaken. Just happy the casual scum guild that is Asgard could help take down the big bad Rampage.

[azeth]

Ramp is told mob is dropped in ooc.
Ramp notices that in fact kite/mob/fte is dropped in west.
Ramp wiz trains up from LTK gates to sisters/trips, triggers FTE.
Ramp tagger gets a TL box and mallets mob at 4 way - takes TL.

20 seconds tops.

Or maybe dont engage shit you're not prepared to kill? You know, like non-amateurs.

[azeth]

Euth here's a topic more up your alley

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227243

[Legday]

If the GMs let what you did slide it would be a slippery slope of future kiting/stalling. You know for a fact that your guild made a questionable call to retag that mob after you kited it. Should of just let it reset bro.

It's worth ironing out what a legit dropped kite looks like. Reset could be the answer. Seems like an awfully generous window to give though when the mob is dropped almost in your lap to begin with.

[Legday]

Euth here's a topic more up your alley

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227243

I'm kind of surprised you don't recognize Euth's name when you've probably seen a Vulak CH chain rolling on him before. Like 5 out of the 7 times I would guess.