Fruitdealer <Divinity> KSing $%&*

[ZxuluBandit]

I have been looking to get Stormfeather on my monk, so the other day i started hanging around the spawn looking for a timer. I hung out with the dude who was camping it and killed some cougars, then he got SF, i got timer, all good. came back later that night and flopped my monk right on spawn point... 10-12 hours later when window was open i was there at the pc waiting ready to go. about halfway thru the window Fruitdealer moves down closer to the spawn that im on top of.... hes a 60 rogue thats been hide/sneak on top of the hill near spawn loc... not on spawn loc where i was. SF pops, i start attacking, SF hits me a few times, Fruitdealer pulls agro off of me and KSs, i have it all on logs and its been petition/reported etc... im obviously pretty mad so i contact his guild <divinity> to tell an officer... they give me a sorry you had trouble with one of us, see what the GMs say cause the rules arnt clear for that camp....

we should all be able to agree you have to maintain a presence in a camp to claim a camp.... if we're considering SF a camp i dont think being hide snuck a few hundred loc away from spawn on a hill counts as having a presence in camp - so if thats the rules.... he KSd me

if we wanna consider SF FTE my logs show me attacking and getting hit before Fruitdealer - so if thats rules.... he KSd me

anyway, i hope you get suspended and your map piece broken, bastard

[Pokesan]

typical divinity bullshit

[MavstabYoudead]

pretty sure he was there before you as i had messaged him yesterday and he had already been there over 10 hours. You would have been the one attempting to ks as that is considered a camp now and there is a list.

[Lemonhead]

Ya, what time did this happen? Can possible confirm he was there. I've been selling him Root nets the last few days and dropping them off.

[Uuruk]

Ya he was there for past 11 days. You petitioned yourself.

[Ele]

so much missing information

[Meep]

I'm going to base my judgement of this situation solely on the OP's post, shame on the hidden guy.

[ZxuluBandit]

my arguement is not that Fruit douche wasnt in the zone... its that he was not at the spawn site, i watched him move down from his hiding spot to spawn loc where i had been the whole time right before the pop....

[Lemonhead]

You just came in, flopped on his camp as far as your proof goes I think. I really don't know who's right, but he's definitely not a douche from my extended conversations with him, seems like a very nice person in fact.

[ZxuluBandit]

yeah i came in and flopped on "his" camp that he didnt have a presence in and he didnt say anything to me about it for 12 hours, exactly

[Lemonhead]

Again, not saying you are wrong, you probably aren't, but it's hard to imagine you have proof as this is not a FTE camp. Logs wouldn't say much.

These afk long camps always have problems I would imagine. And good people make bad decisions when pixels are involved, especially when camping for multiple days without success.

One note, I never waited more that 15 minutes for a response from him on four occasions, so idk why there was no communication in 12 hrs.

What time did this happen? please

[Senies]

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3) Global Server Rules / Play Nice Policy

These rules apply to all Project 1999 servers unless otherwise specified.

Players are subject to these supplementary rules while playing on Project 1999. While these are by no means an all-inclusive list of the do's and don'ts on Project 1999, it provides a suitable foundation by which the player can determine what activities are appropriate.

Kill Stealing
Kill Stealing can be defined as the intentional engagement by a player to a mob that is already engaged by other un-allied players, or a mob that clearly belongs to a player/group's area of claim.

The intent of this rule is discourage and make note of habitual Kill Stealers, not to punish those who honestly try to work together or those who make an honest mistake. Its enforcement by the Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will reflect this philosophy.

Arbitration / Camps
In issues of disruptions or interference such as a camp dispute, players are required to work together to reach a compromise.

If this cannot be accomplished prior to the involvement of a Project 1999 CSR Staff Member, the CSR will mandate a solution. A CSR Solution is final and not open to debate. Refusal to abide by the direction of a CSR will result in account disciplinary for disruptive behavior.

Due to the busy nature of the CSR and possible lack of factual information, the solution reached may not be to the best interest of both parties (a "lose-lose" situation). It is for this reason that players are highly suggested to reach a compromise on their own.

The Project 1999 Staff does not define what constitutes a camp, and disputes are arbitrated on a case by case basis. A CSR's ruling may be different than previous rulings based on any number of circumstances, including (but not limited to) players involved and their history, behavior / attitude of the players, and facts gathered by the CSR.

In general, a player should maintain a presence at or very near the spawn of the camp they are intending to hold, while keeping the placeholders of any relevant spawns dead. It is allowed to 'camp' multiple areas if there are no other players interested in doing so, however if another party is interested in moving into one of your camps, you must chose which one to keep and maintain your presence there.

[Senies]

aka you cant just stand anywhere and claim a camp because your to stupid to know what its loc is. And your welcome you all should read the rules jesus....

[Doors]

Honestly, this is exactly what you get with Divinity. Not surprised.

[bktroost]

THIRD THEY OPENLY SUPPORT KSING STORMFEATHERS


In my sleep deprived haze, I thought this read "THIRD THEY OPENLY SUPPORT KISSING STORMFEATHERS." I was really hoping the rest of the post was going to somehow explain how stormfeathers was a metaphor for homosexuals or some such obscurity.

other than that, my post here is irrelevant.

[Achromatic]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to interpret the rules or figure out what kill stealing means.

If a person has engaged a mob, you can't go outdps them and claim that wasn't a KS.

Second of all if your char is not physically in the spawn location then you can't claim the camp....

[Pokesan]

just another example of divinity thinking the rules don't apply to them

[Ikabod]

Ya he was there for past 11 days. You petitioned yourself.

No, he definitely wasn't there for the past 11 days.
I was the dude camping stormfeather before OP. I saw the shadowknight, Azazel I believe, kill stormfeather as I waited in line for camp. I took over camp. I killed cougars with OP while I waited for my stormfeather to pop. I killed stormfeather. OP took over camp. I checked in with OP the next day and killed a few panthers with him at SF camp while it was in window. SF popped and OP engaged...Fruitdealer then engages the mob and killsteals. That pretty much sums it up.

Neezy <Forsaken>

[mackenzie]

1.) I can back Neezys claim, as I was at camp 2 days ago and only Paz/Neez were there.
2.) Sad to see Divinity rep went down hill. Back in TMO/DA days I always considered Divinity to be nice players that played by the rules :(. shame shame

[CmCKiller]

The guy who got stormfeather and gave u the timer was me. Fruitdealer has been camping it for ages too even the whole cycle at times 18hrs.
I dont believe he ksed you. I believe he was already camping it when you arrived, why else was he on that hill. No need to be on the exact spot where storm feather spawns.
Hes already in the vicinity way before you arrived.
You cant just move closer to the exact spawn spot and take his camp because you are closer.

I got your back fruitdealer. You know who i am.

[Stormfists]

Fruitdealer is a really nice guy.

Must be some sort of mistake here...

[am0n]

typical divinity bullshit

Divinity; BDA 2.0!

[Troxx]

Per the somewhat recent GM ruling, it's a camp so whoever was there first has the rights and FTE is irrelevant.

If he was up on the hill physically in the zone before you and there with the express purpose of stormfeather and never left, it was his bird. It doesn't matter if you were 1, 5, or 15 feet "closer" to the exact spawn.

If he was there first in zone, you were in the process of stealing his camp.

If you were there first in zone and the general vicinity, he straight up KS'd you.

Should be easy to figure out for the GMs.

On a related note, why didn't you guys send a tell to each other before the bird popped??

He has every right to hide near the spawn just like you can fd there.

[Baler]

my 2 cents...
If you want one of the highly contested camps you'd better be willing to park your butt on it for several hours. Logging in before something pops is not camping.
I've sat on a camp for 8-9+ hours just so it was clearly mine when it finally popped.

I see the same people come to the camp over the course of those hours several times to check if 1. anyone is there and 2. if it's popped. If you're sitting on it for that long people won't be tempted to try and pull any bullshit. And everyone in that zone will be aware that you're camping that shit.

Don't log in 1-2 hours before you expect a pop and think that you all of a sudden own a camp. Technically sure, sitting on a camp for 1 hour I would say you own that camp at then particular moment in time. And its wrong of other people to come and go and expect to get the camp.

Also if you petition something don't make a public thread about it. It makes you look like a jack. Even if you were the person who was "right".

[maskedmelon]

Damn OP just can't get a break. First his TStaff stolen by some bitch rogue and now this Divinity bullshit? What next?

[Spyder73]

I came to post some love for Fruitdealer, Over the years, I've had one interaction(s) with him and he's always been honest and fair -- each and every one time. But now that I see he's supported by RaNDoMCAPitaliZation here, I'm beginning to rethink my position. Turds of a feather and such.

Divinity raid suspension definitely in order.

I came here to rebuke Kayso's testimony. I have first hand experience that Kayso is a scum lord of the highest order. Several times he has been temp banned from vent for leaving his mic open while fapping (sounded like man-on-man porn), he drops the N bomb in guild chat regularly, GMs have banned him from unrest for training the zone (while he is level 60), and there was a rumor going around that he killed a man in a hit and run when drunk one night. Anything that Kayso says should be taken with a grain of salt.

The real question is what do the GMs do if OP is making false accusations? If we do not police ourselves then we are no better than animals

[Ele]

^ lol