Tranquil Staff Ban..Sickens me

[Taysh]

So here I am, a monk with lowly items in his hands as weapons, pulling vigorously for my group in Karnors Castle. I see a skeleton with a Tranq Staff, the pulling competition is savage, I know its a straight up upgrade, and have to tag it before anyone else does, I tag it, with excitement, bring it back to the group, where no loot rules were established AT ALL.

They immediately begin to roll, of course being greed driven creatures, I am the last one to roll, sitting there in confusion, I ignore it and begin dpsing away, while writing my petition. Ultimately, I am forced to roll, and lose to an Epic'd out Rogue in Venerate Named Kayyte.... EPIC'd...OUT...ROGUE.....ROGUE...ROGUE....STAFF = MNK ONLY...GIANT UPGRADE....GM STEPS IN, Acting like a child, while I am trying to discuss the situation with him. What does the Good monk who power levels the entire fucking world with any chance he can get, get in return? A Ban, removed from the game before even speaking my side, so the greedy rogue can have her way. Meanwhile, she would have never even seen the item if I didn't win the competitive pull to bring it back.....So Thanks Kayyte, for being another Greed driven EQ player, I even said to her, can I use it till I get a raid upgrade then Pass it? Nope....Bitch needed the money, over a godly staff in the hands of WELL DESERVING MONK WHO SERVED THE WORLD WITH GREAT LOVE AND CARE....I could have dropped the group and just killed the mob myself, that's the part that tears me up. Crazy, how pixels can make a man lay on the ground depressed.. I may never return to the realm, the world has lost a great monk who served all with any chance he got to give.

-Sincerely,
Ahngfei.

[silo32]

I lost a roll on a fungi to a rogue in a fungi he /corpse it

then I went and started on red and never looked back

you got cucked

and threw a fit its legal get a lawyer or insurance next time

lesson learned sit on your ban and think about how your acting

see you when you come back pal hopefully on red

[Pokesan]

Welcome to Project1999

e: typical Venerate bullshit

[Oleris]

you did this to someone that was streaming that won the roll. Be glad it's a short suspension.

[Pokesan]

you did this to someone that was streaming that won the roll. Be glad it's a short suspension.

streaming is irrelevant and you are part of the problem, chief

[Oleris]

You also called her a cunt because she won a roll.

[Pokesan]

You also called her a cunt because she won a roll.

Namecalling is not against the rules

[Cecily]

I was in a KC group as one of two rangers one night. We saw three, 3, T-staves between the two of us tracking / pulling and managed to snag two of them. I didn't win a staff.
Pretty mad about that now. Shoulda ninjaed all three and petitioned GMs for all of them.

[Uuruk]

Servers shit

[Taysh]

I WAS FORCED TO ROLL BY THE WAY.

[Pokesan]

I WAS FORCED TO ROLL BY THE WAY.

hi whats wrong with you

[Pokesan]

Greed before Need has as much value as a flat tax and only the malicious or the tremendously retarded endorse either

[Cecily]

Epic rogues stealing T-staves from monks. Kayyte, you monster. Give the staff back.

[Troubled]

You're welcome, for the opportunity you had to roll on the item that dropped from the mob you pulled back to your group.

[Taysh]

So I went into her stream, to try to talk to her, thinking maybe I could get this disgusting feeling trapped inside my body right now out, only to get ban by her, while trying to discuss the situation. She told me the realm is better off without someone like me. I can't tell you how many people I power leveled for free, and helped, camped items for etc...Why? Because I simply love helping people, building them up, getting them excited, and helping them save time while decking them out with whatever I have to offer. The realm doesn't need someone like that according to her. So she is implying it's better to be Greedy, and take anything you can get your hands on, instead of rightfully giving a person an item especially if it's class specific, that they deserve. Funny thing was, she would have never seen it if I didn't tag and pull that mob before anyone else did. A thank you would have even helped me calm down, instead she attacked me. Hurt me further, yeah it is just a game, but to some of us who don't have much in real life,EQ is more than a game. It's a bundle of happiness and fun. Even the Guide treated me rude, and ban me while i was facing her trying to start a trade. He acted like a child, and you would think, A GUIDE could make a better decision of who really deserves such an item. Funny thing was, she was the actual group leader, so since she was the group leader she got to decide the loot rule. HOW CONVENIENT! I had no choice but to roll, and the excitement clogged my mind up, I couldn't really function properly, and when i did roll, worst part was I thought I won, only to realize I didn't. Anyways.. I don't know if anyone will ever see it my way but, it just seems that a MNK ONLY item which is a massive upgrade should go to the monk who is busting his ass pulling for the rest. Moral of the story. Greed is wrong. Everyone took her side, I am left tonight to my dark room, feeling like complete shit, trapped in by snow. Tried to talk to my best friend about it who I power leveld her on 2 toons, maybe about 25-30 hours worth of power leveling for free, gave her every item I had in my bags, left myself with 9 platinum, gave her all my riches to help her new Enchanter out, out of kindness in my heart, whom is in the same guild as Kayyte, only to be called PETTY, And I AM NOT WHO She thought I WAS! I am so hurt, not like anyone probably really cares, I will probably be made fun, and laughed at further by writing this, but I need some way to express myself, even if 1 person hears me and understands, that will be enough. Kayyte told me, "It's just an item." OH ITS THAT SO, then let the MNK ONLY ITEM GO TO THE MONK, if it's "just" an item. Anyways...Don't be a greedy person, it's one of the most disgusting things to be in the world.

[Pokesan]

that about summarizes venerate. avoid in the future, it's a trash guild.

[Zugsmash]

So I went into her stream, to try to talk to her, thinking maybe I could get this disgusting feeling trapped inside my body right now out, only to get ban by her, while trying to discuss the situation. She told me the realm is better off without someone like me. I can't tell you how many people I power leveled for free, and helped, camped items for etc...Why? Because I simply love helping people, building them up, getting them excited, and helping them save time while decking them out with whatever I have to offer. The realm doesn't need someone like that according to her. So she is implying it's better to be Greedy, and take anything you can get your hands on, instead of rightfully giving a person an item especially if it's class specific, that they deserve. Funny thing was, she would have never seen it if I didn't tag and pull that mob before anyone else did. A thank you would have even helped me calm down, instead she attacked me. Hurt me further, yeah it is just a game, but to some of us who don't have much in real life,EQ is more than a game. It's a bundle of happiness and fun. Even the Guide treated me rude, and ban me while i was facing her trying to start a trade. He acted like a child, and you would think, A GUIDE could make a better decision of who really deserves such an item. Funny thing was, she was the actual group leader, so since she was the group leader she got to decide the loot rule. HOW CONVENIENT! I had no choice but to roll, and the excitement clogged my mind up, I couldn't really function properly, and when i did roll, worst part was I thought I won, only to realize I didn't. Anyways.. I don't know if anyone will ever see it my way but, it just seems that a MNK ONLY item which is a massive upgrade should go to the monk who is busting his ass pulling for the rest. Moral of the story. Greed is wrong. Everyone took her side, I am left tonight to my dark room, feeling like complete shit, trapped in by snow. Tried to talk to my best friend about it who I power leveld her on 2 toons, maybe about 25-30 hours worth of power leveling for free, gave her every item I had in my bags, left myself with 9 platinum, gave her all my riches to help her new Enchanter out, out of kindness in my heart, whom is in the same guild as Kayyte, only to be called PETTY, And I AM NOT WHO She thought I WAS! I am so hurt, not like anyone probably really cares, I will probably be made fun, and laughed at further by writing this, but I need some way to express myself, even if 1 person hears me and understands, that will be enough. Kayyte told me, "It's just an item." OH ITS THAT SO, then let the MNK ONLY ITEM GO TO THE MONK, if it's "just" an item. Anyways...Don't be a greedy person, it's one of the most disgusting things to be in the world.

Step back.

1st. Admit you have a problem.
2nd. Realize you can do better.
3rd. Roll Red and never look back!

[Pokesan]

that's a cool anal rape avatar you have my man

[Turd]

So what I gathered from this is that there's a Tstaff for sale?

[xKoopa]

bring it back to the group, where no loot rules were established AT ALL.

unfortunately this is the problem

greed is generally the rule unless otherwise specified, as that tstaff is worth x amount of plat and can go to an upgrade for whoever wins

if you won somethin in another group worth 30k and sold to buy a tstaff, is that any different in the end?

[Zerol]

Yea because epic rogues got so many options for plat farming... oh wait, rogues cant solo any notable shit....

Get to 60 and find a nice shaman to duo millions of plat with.. She will never have that option and will always be rolling against 5 other players..

[Cecily]

It does really suck to get your hopes up on an item and have things work out completely different than you expected. As someone who has every item they want, I can honestly say pixels aren't important in the grand scheme of things for you to get this worked up about them. T-staves aren't that expensive and you'll get one eventually if you don't get permabanned by being a idiot to the staff. Just take a deep breath, say fuck it, and try to salvage some dignity. Because otherwise your venting is just gonna be entertainment for RnF.

[Pokesan]

weapon upgrade for the monk, armor upgrade for the rogue

do you understand how this game works in the least?

[Cecily]

And Zerol raises a very good point. Rogues are the absolute worst solo class in the game. The only way for a high level rogue to earn plat is to win rare drops from, usually, 1 in 6 odds. I had saved about 3k by the time I was 57 on Cecily. If that person is a main rogue hunting in KC, I assure you she needs the platinum. Badly.

Instead of being happy for her, you... yeah.

[Pokesan]

And Zerol raises a very good point. Rogues are the absolute worst solo class in the game. The only way for a high level rogue to earn plat is to win rare drops from, usually, 1 in 6 odds. I had saved about 3k by the time I was 57 on Cecily. If that person is a main rogue hunting in KC, I assure you she needs the platinum. Badly.

Instead of being happy for her, you... yeah.

So how did the "main rogue" farm the plat for a rogue epic MQ ms smartypants?

[Cecily]

If you quest your own, like I did at 47, you're only farming ~10k for the robes if you're unlucky. Whether or not the person needs the plat is irrelevant, but in the case of a main rogue it's almost certain they do.

[Taysh]

And Zerol raises a very good point. Rogues are the absolute worst solo class in the game. The only way for a high level rogue to earn plat is to win rare drops from, usually, 1 in 6 odds. I had saved about 3k by the time I was 57 on Cecily. If that person is a main rogue hunting in KC, I assure you she needs the platinum. Badly.

Instead of being happy for her, you... yeah.

I just want you to know, that it's even harder for a monk, since I can only carry friggen 16-17 pounds my whole life. You know how much I have total? under 50 platinum...Anytime I need a port, I have to pay..At least rogues can hold items and pick pocket, and I can't solo either, at least anything that is going to upgrade me.

[Pokesan]

If you quest your own, like I did at 47, you're only farming ~10k for the robes if you're unlucky. Whether or not the person needs the plat is irrelevant, but in the case of a main rogue it's almost certain they do.

now you're just being dishonest

tell me with a straight face you think this rogue in a <Dark Winter>-esque guild quested their own epic

I dare you

[Cecily]

Everyone here who wasn't a RMTer started out dirt poor. You aren't going to get much sympathy. Therein lies the whole fun of EQ, going from rags to riches. It takes time. Try to have some empathy for other people, like I'm trying to have for you. Just realize that to pretty much everyone you're the bad guy in this situation. You should probably publicly apologize.

[Cecily]

now you're just being dishonest

tell me with a straight face you think this rogue in a <Dark Winter>-esque guild quested their own epic

I dare you

I quested mine unguilded.

[Pokesan]

I quested mine unguilded.

How long ago was that?

Do you think your experience is at all relevant to the current situation on the server?

[Oleris]

I think you need to clear pohate now to finish your quest because of shit on 3rd level instantly eating ya.

[Cecily]

Absolutely lol. And it was 4 years ago. I've explained how to do it plenty of times. When I rolled on red, a rogue there thanked me for my advice b/c it got him his epic. I know "talking" to people is frightening, but that's all it takes.

[Pokesan]

I find it unlikely the rogue in an RMT guild quested their own epic, but I guess we can agree that they recovered the spent plat by stealing OP's T-staff.

[Cecily]

Then we can take solace knowing that Braknar will ban the hell out of her in 2017.

[Pokesan]

Then we can take solace knowing that Braknar will ban the hell out of her in 2017.

That's not 9 months from now!

Girls are bad at math so I forgive you

[thebutthat]

Watched this stream. OP was being shady from the get go. He rolled, lost. Then said NEED BEFORE GREED, and looted. Then ignored everyone for a while. Then after the group pressured him, he said he petitioned. OP was being a tool bag about it, then got banned. Good riddance.

[Colgate]

real shame you couldn't have solved this by killing the rogue and claiming the tstaff as your own

[Meep]

OP's character name is stupid. Doesn't deserve a T-staff.

The end.

[JackFlash]

op confirmed rustled

[thebutthat]

Just lol. Watched the stream. T-staff dropped, everyone rolled. Monk lost roll, said NEED BEFORE GREED and looted the staff. Wouldn't acknowledge group for 10 minutes when trying to discuss. After petition, got banned. OP is a toolbag and good riddance.

[snirke]

S-A-L-T-Y

[sonicjoose]

Didn't you ninja the staff and leave or something. Just hearsay maybe

How long is the ban for hopefully not too long

[Oleris]

Didn't you ninja the staff and leave or something. Just hearsay maybe

How long is the ban for hopefully not too long

2 weeks, suspended live on stream while still in group.

[Coopdeloop]

To the OP:

This is not about the T-staff nor the rog. It's about you and ure unwillingness of battling ure real life hardships.

With that said the deserving part is the interesting one.

Since the item isn't no drop, it is just platinum, and we all need platinum.

You and five strangers put in time, equal amounts of time. Hence the equal right to the loot.

There are diffrent ways of measuring a grp members right to a loot reward. A person doing damage with a high end dmg weapon compared to one without clearly has an advantage in some of those views.

In your world you deserve that T-staff for all kinds of reasons.
To bad....
None of those grp members live in your world.
I don't either.

This time try to not escape.
Fight back! Fight for ure right for a decent life.
So what if u lose...ure already dead! After all, ure reacting this way due to a lost T-staff.

/Coopdeloop

[EQsale]

So here I am, a monk with lowly items in his hands as weapons, pulling vigorously for my group in Karnors Castle. I see a skeleton with a Tranq Staff, the pulling competition is savage, I know its a straight up upgrade, and have to tag it before anyone else does, I tag it, with excitement, bring it back to the group, where no loot rules were established AT ALL.

They immediately begin to roll, of course being greed driven creatures, I am the last one to roll, sitting there in confusion, I ignore it and begin dpsing away, while writing my petition. Ultimately, I am forced to roll, and lose to an Epic'd out Rogue in Venerate Named Kayyte.... EPIC'd...OUT...ROGUE.....ROGUE...ROGUE....STAFF = MNK ONLY...GIANT UPGRADE....GM STEPS IN, Acting like a child, while I am trying to discuss the situation with him. What does the Good monk who power levels the entire fucking world with any chance he can get, get in return? A Ban, removed from the game before even speaking my side, so the greedy rogue can have her way. Meanwhile, she would have never even seen the item if I didn't win the competitive pull to bring it back.....So Thanks Kayyte, for being another Greed driven EQ player, I even said to her, can I use it till I get a raid upgrade then Pass it? Nope....Bitch needed the money, over a godly staff in the hands of WELL DESERVING MONK WHO SERVED THE WORLD WITH GREAT LOVE AND CARE....I could have dropped the group and just killed the mob myself, that's the part that tears me up. Crazy, how pixels can make a man lay on the ground depressed.. I may never return to the realm, the world has lost a great monk who served all with any chance he got to give.

-Sincerely,
Ahngfei.

Time to Reoll and use another name cause you just blacklisted urself right off this server GJ

[Nitsude]

Default is greed before need. If you expect to receive an item that everyone in the group can either use or gain plat from, you need to get their consent beforehand. Helping people and being a good person does not earn you the right to an item over the rest of your group.

Kayyte recently finished her epic from the help of her guild on General. She did not MQ it.

In the future, if you want to farm an item with the expectation of no competition on it make some friends or get the consent of the group before you start pulling.

[Taysh]

You also called her a cunt because she won a roll.

Uhhh yeah no I called her a cunt because it should have been a need before Greed situation, and everyone was sucking on her little rogue epic'd tit. Fuck off.

[Taysh]

Time to Reoll and use another name cause you just blacklisted urself right off this server GJ

Time to not really care anymore, don't wanna play with a bunch of greedy pieces of shit anyway.

[Kaight]

Hi there! Kayyte here. So, here's my side:

Mob with tstaff is pulled. Group is like, "HOLY SHIT. IT HAS A STAFF IN ITS HAND. IT'S... IT'S..." As soon as it's killed, Ahngfei here ninja loots it. Within the second. A bit of a red flag, right? So, we hadn't established need before greed rules within the group and quite frankly, when a 30k item drops, I think that's a bit different than a Kunzar Cloak, right? Had NBG rules been firmly established, I would have gladly let him take it. But they weren't.

Anyway, I start the roll. A 55. Pretty sure I'm not going to get it. Then the rest of the group rolls a 2... 3... 23... 34... low numbers. Holy shit, did I win? Monk is last to roll. Does he mention needing it? Does he mention NBG rolling system? No. He rolls a 35 and loses. (Meanwhile, I am streaming this on Twitch.) Somehow he forgets that he owes me the thing due to the roll that just occurred. Doesn't respond to tells or group chats about giving it to me. The rest of the group was in support of me getting staff, by the way. Ahngfei keeps pulling... or just stands around... plays dumb... etc. I tell him I am going to /petition. He says HE is going to /petition (???) Claims he's speaking to a GM. After help from people watching my stream and fellow streamers, Braknar appears in zone, asks who is owed the staff. He sends me a tell that I will get it as soon as a GM can. The monk goes LD, presumably banned (or suspended, or whatever it was that happened to him.) But not before calling me a greedy epic'd rogue and a cunt! :D

Just for the record, since apparently having a Rogue epic means I'm twinked or something? - I've been playing for about three months. Kayyte is my only character (aside from a failed level 11 Bard and level 2 Cleric) and is not twinked. I just got my epic about four days ago by questing it through the help of my guild, Venerate, which I love and am very proud to be a part of. The RMT'er that got banned last week only recently joined the guild and we barely knew him.

​Lastly, here are screenshots (http://imgur.com/a/2Ua04) I took while all of this was happening, including my winning roll and this supposed saint of a player calling me a cunt. (Note that my group consisted of myself, Chevalyer, Drzhivago, Killemall, Aleinan, and Ahngfei. The other rolls are presumably from a group nearby.)


Hope that clears things up. Happy gaming!​

Kayyte

[Llodd]

Everyone in the group rolled. So why are you only trashing the person that won?

[Taysh]

Hi there! Kayyte here. So, here's my side:

Mob with tstaff is pulled. Group is like, "HOLY SHIT. IT HAS A STAFF IN ITS HAND. IT'S... IT'S..." As soon as it's killed, Ahngfei here ninja loots it. Within the second. A bit of a red flag, right? So, we hadn't established need before greed rules within the group and quite frankly, when a 30k item drops, I think that's a bit different than a Kunzar Cloak, right? Had NBG rules been firmly established, I would have gladly let him take it. But they weren't.

Anyway, I start the roll. A 55. Pretty sure I'm not going to get it. Then the rest of the group rolls a 2... 3... 23... 34... low numbers. Holy shit, did I win? Monk is last to roll. Does he mention needing it? Does he mention NBG rolling system? No. He rolls a 35 and loses. (Meanwhile, I am streaming this on Twitch.) Somehow he forgets that he owes me the thing due to the roll that just occurred. Doesn't respond to tells or group chats about giving it to me. The rest of the group was in support of me getting staff, by the way. Ahngfei keeps pulling... or just stands around... plays dumb... etc. I tell him I am going to /petition. He says HE is going to /petition (???) Claims he's speaking to a GM. After help from people watching my stream and fellow streamers, Braknar appears in zone, asks who is owed the staff. He sends me a tell that I will get it as soon as a GM can. The monk goes LD, presumably banned (or suspended, or whatever it was that happened to him.) But not before calling me a greedy epic'd rogue and a cunt! :D

Just for the record, since apparently having a Rogue epic means I'm twinked or something? - I've been playing for about three months. Kayyte is my only character (aside from a failed level 11 Bard and level 2 Cleric) and is not twinked. I just got my epic about four days ago by questing it through the help of my guild, Venerate, which I love and am very proud to be a part of. The RMT'er that got banned last week only recently joined the guild and we barely knew him.

​Lastly, here are screenshots (http://imgur.com/a/2Ua04) I took while all of this was happening, including my winning roll and this supposed saint of a player calling me a cunt. (Note that my group consisted of myself, Chevalyer, Drzhivago, Killemall, Aleinan, and Ahngfei. The other rolls are presumably from a group nearby.)


Hope that clears things up. Happy gaming!​

Kayyte

I rolled because the group said IT"S GREED BEFORE NEED, Of course it is, because everyone is GREEDY. Everyone had 25k-30k on their mind, I had damage on my mind. I STOOD STILL FOR A WHILE BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WON THE ROLL, I did not even SEE your role because it got blasted out of my chat box by other rolling. I knew NONE OF YOU were going to go through with giving a monk a T STAFF that he is going to actually use, so I was forced to roll, and upon doing so I immediately sent a tell to a GM, who soon replied after I was barraged by your little followers spamming, I lost major concentration, and was trying to hold composure in the group and not let anyone die, as well as trying to talk to a GM. WHEN I Realized you had won, I was just about to hand you the staff, if you noticed I was standing right in front of you trying to trade as the GM said to GIVE IT TO YOu or i'm suspended...BEFORE I EVEN COULD, lack of patience on the GUIDES side, Lets not even call him a GM, i Was suspended....Disgusting....

[Zugsmash]

Everyone in the group rolled. So why are you only trashing the person that won?

Because he didn't win and fails to realize he is deep in addiction. Hopefully this suspension will help him.

[Zugsmash]

I rolled because the group said IT"S GREED BEFORE NEED, Of course it is, because everyone is GREEDY. Everyone had 25k-30k on their mind, I had damage on my mind. I STOOD STILL FOR A WHILE BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WON THE ROLL, I did not even SEE your role because it got blasted out of my chat box by other rolling. I knew NONE OF YOU were going to go through with giving a monk a T STAFF that he is going to actually use, so I was forced to roll, and upon doing so I immediately sent a tell to a GM, who soon replied after I was barraged by your little followers spamming, I lost major concentration, and was trying to hold composure in the group and not let anyone die, as well as trying to talk to a GM. WHEN I Realized you had won, I was just about to hand you the staff, if you noticed I was standing right in front of you trying to trade as the GM said to GIVE IT TO YOu or i'm suspended...BEFORE I EVEN COULD, lack of patience on the GUIDES side, Lets not even call him a GM, i Was suspended....Disgusting....

Seek help! Gamers Anonymous

[iruinedyourday]

2011 and still after that blue tstaff yikes

[Taysh]

Because he didn't win and fails to realize he is deep in addiction. Hopefully this suspension will help him.

Ughhhh no more like actually because the Guide said the goup leader chose the LOOT RULES, when LOOT RULES were never established of course until after a 25k item drops. Any greedy person will immediately SAY GREED BEFORE NEED. A generous person would notice a monk with bad gear, is in extreme need of a staff that is MNK ONLY, and still chose to take it for herself to convert it into platinum. If she has a guild that is helping her gear, and get her epic, aren't they going to also help her acquire a shit ton of other gear? Her weapon was already an epic. My weapon's combined are worth 5k. That is why.

[Taysh]

Seek help! Gamers Anonymous

Fan boys will be fan boys

[derpcake]

similar thing happened to me when i was a newb on red

first big group (the hole), and some nerd ninjaed the igs i won

he got camped off the server by some people that thought it was a shitty move

pras pvp justice

[Taysh]

similar thing happened to me when i was a newb on red

first big group (the hole), and some nerd ninjaed the igs i won

he got camped off the server by some people that thought it was a shitty move

pras pvp justice

Maybe it's time to go RED! >:)

[Gain]

Is it possible to see the video?

[Nitsude]

Ughhhh no more like actually because the Guide said the goup leader chose the LOOT RULES, when LOOT RULES were never established of course until after a 25k item drops. Any greedy person will immediately SAY GREED BEFORE NEED. A generous person would notice a monk with bad gear, is in extreme need of a staff that is MNK ONLY, and still chose to take it for herself to convert it into platinum. If she has a guild that is helping her gear, and get her epic, aren't they going to also help her acquire a shit ton of other gear? Her weapon was already an epic. My weapon's combined are worth 5k. That is why.

What does your individual damage have anything to do with it? The rest of the group isn't there to benefit just you. This whole argument of greed is laughable.

[Taysh]

Didn't you ninja the staff and leave or something. Just hearsay maybe

How long is the ban for hopefully not too long

No I did not leave, I stood there trying to figure the situation out before I gave a 25k item away, while standing there going to trade, the Guide who was there for about a a minute, decided to suspend me, before giving me proper chance to even trade. Terrible Guide, acted like a child, totally unprofessional.

[Taysh]

What does your individual damage have anything to do with it? The rest of the group isn't there to benefit just you. This whole argument of greed is laughable.

What don't you understand about NEED before Greed, compared to GREED before NEED. It's specifically a MNK item.

[Taysh]

I won't reply to this anymore, The project 1999 community is GREED driven anyway, in a game thats like what, friggen 16+ years old. We can't as a community put need before Greed when it's a direct class upgrade? If I saw a 25k ROGUE ONLY ITEM I Wouldnt dare try to roll on it. It just made it worse for me this rogue had an epic, and had HUGE support for gearing, when I do NOT, nor DO I HAVE the time to be raiding all the time. I don't care what people say, Need should always come before Greed when it comes to actually equipping an item and using it, especially if it's totally class specific.

[Nitsude]

What don't you understand about NEED before Greed, compared to GREED before NEED. It's specifically a MNK item.

I understand need before greed. I also understand that you didn't do what you needed to make that your group's ruleset. Sorry you learned the hard way. If you really believed it was greed before need, why roll? Rolling pretty much seals the deal that you're just upset you lost the roll, and you failed to convince everyone that they should just give it to you.

[Valura]

this server's never done nbg. idk why this is a surprise

[Widan]

If it's a droppable item it gets greed rolled. If its no drop then it's need before greed. How have you been on the server for five years and not figured this shit out yet? (That's rhetorical, it's because of the immense amount of autism you are inflicted with)

[sonicjoose]

How long are you suspended for? I have a T staff you can use till you get your epic

[Xerxes]

damnit bro ill give you my t staff and whatever else you need whyd you have to go and do that lol...didnt even know you were back

[LostCause]

should have droped group and solod it the mob is easy as fuck lol.

[Shadowlaw]

High Value items in a pick up group generally don't have a NBG rule set, it's generally an unspoken rule that it's GBN, you ninja'd the item, abused the person that won the item originally and now you're dealing with the punishment.

A lot of people did warn you and you didn't listen.

rekt

[AzzarTheGod]

No I did not leave, I stood there trying to figure the situation out before I gave a 25k item away, while standing there going to trade, the Guide who was there for about a a minute, decided to suspend me, before giving me proper chance to even trade. Terrible Guide, acted like a child, totally unprofessional.

Characterizations aside.

If what you say is accurate, then its possible the Guide reacted to soon.

I'd be looking for a review by another GM but you will need to remain calm and petition it.

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm skeptical.

But it is very possible the "Stream Factor" accelerated staff action when he was legitimately processing the situation and handing over the staff.

Sort of like how police act differently when cameras are rolling, except in reverse.

If you catch my drift.

[Troxx]

-You were in a pickup group in KC.
-Groups are, by default, greed before need (everyone's time is equally valuable)
-You ninja'd the most valuable item in the zone
-You rolled when they all rolled (after you'd already ninja'd what you had no right to loot)
-You failed to hand it over after you lost the roll.
-You called the winner a cunt.

In short? You're a ninja looter and a douche. You got suspended for being a ninja looter and a douche. Be thankful it wasn't a ban ... but after this whole episode ... good luck with the rest of your time on this server.

[rollin5k]

Your feeling of entitlement sickens me.
Enjoy your ban nerd

[Ipewp]

Your first problem was grouping with Kayyte. It's quite well known that she is fucking awful. Also, Venerate is fucking awful. Two huge mistakes.

[Aleinan]

I was the chanter in the group, and the only other member of Venerate in the group. My issues with your horrible NBG arguement is that:

1. I don't know you.
2. There is literally no caster gear in the zone, aside from the one caster ring that drops, so why would I ever group in the zone if it was NBG. Unfortunately for you, getting that specific dropable items and selling it to other monks who have farmed out 30k in plat, and saved up for a T-staff like you probably should have done instead of bitching, would be the only way I could continue to group in KC and have any chance of real gear upgrades.
3. It's the rule of the server that it has to be established by the group, and I for one won't group NBG in KC unless I'm in a group with my guildies.

In case you needed the reminder of how things work, read the rules in the forums.

"2.61 Looting

Nowhere is etiquette more necessary than in the case of looting in a group. Ninja looting a valuable item is the ultimate black mark on your name.

Rare items can drop from specific difficult mobs. When such an item drops, the group will roll dice to see who takes it, absent an express understanding that it's need before greed. To roll dice type /random 1 100..."

Your time isn't more valuable then anyone else in your group, and for the fact that that TStaff could have bought ever single item on my LVL 54 Chanter, I definately don't feel bad that it was a greed roll, only that I lost it. If it was ever NBG in LCY or Hands, monks would never be invited in. Be glad you had a group at all, because in the future, you may find that hard to do. Hell the guy in your guild was embarrassed by you.

[Safon]

You really should have dropped the group and downed the mob yourself, the greedy tards sitting back at your group would have eaten a shit pie instead of their delicious t staff. Lesson learned for all future monks reading this thread.

[am0n]

You really should have dropped the group and downed the mob yourself, the greedy tards sitting back at your group would have eaten a shit pie instead of their delicious t staff. Lesson learned for all future monks reading this thread.

This, right here.

I got a Tstaff the other day. Wasn't on this server, but it was glorious none the less.

Maybe it's time to try a friendlier place, OP? One where people are A-Okay passing on upgrades for people?

[Exalt]

Next time drop group, and solo the easy bastard. Don't even let them know.

[Tuljin]

Time to not really care anymore, don't wanna play with a bunch of greedy pieces of shit anyway.

This guy just won P99

[Lojik]

Engage it for a bit, keep disarming until success, then pull back to your group, enter loot mode, drop group, loot staff. Say somethign like oops sorrry was greyish bonechips or whatever crap loot he drops.

[Ptull]

at first I felt a bit bad for the OP, but after reading his nonsense and seeing the chat logs, it seemed to be a well deserved ban. GG GM's. Grats on the staff!

[Aleinan]

Nothing like giving a dishonest person the advice "Be better at being dishonest." You are all the reason that GMs have to get involved in the first place. A bunch of assholes who are just thinking about themselves instead of the community. A bunch of douche little egomaniacs, who thinks they are the center of the universe. "You should have found a way to cheat the group that's been helping you clear a path to him from being able to roll on an item that could help them all out." What a joke.

[Safon]

Nothing like giving a dishonest person the advice "Be better at being dishonest." You are all the reason that GMs have to get involved in the first place. A bunch of assholes who are just thinking about themselves instead of the community. A bunch of douche little egomaniacs, who thinks they are the center of the universe. "You should have found a way to cheat the group that's been helping you clear a path to him from being able to roll on an item that could help them all out." What a joke.

Next time, and hopefully for many other starving monks reading this post, there will BE no gm involvement. Just monks with their shiny t staves, no fuss no drama.

OP doing good work at least with this thread spreading the word and the true path.

[Rufio]

Your title scared me, "Tranquil staff ban", I thought they banned T-staff, cause that's not classic.
As for you not getting your t-staff, "It's Classic"
You talking about some Kumbaya stuff here, We not talking about the game I love where Shams have to roll against the group for Torpor in Emp grps, cause that's Classic.
To sum it up, this stuff happens everyday, suck it up or set up loot rules before hand. Make some friends and group with only them. Don't bash the staff. And finally, DON'T LVL IN KC.
P.S. Rangers are better pullers than monks in KC, they deserve all the T-staffs.

[Tuljin]

Well the situation here is nub. KC has shit XP except for basement and shit loot and LCY is a shit camp. Despite Velious being launched of course KC is still somehow a crossroads for nubs to slowly move their XP bars, wipe unnecessarily and embarrassingly, have full groups for absolutely no reason, and bicker and call the GMs every single time a TStaff appears. Its history repeating itself.

The solution is to avoid KC pickup groups. Find a shaman and duo or find a couple buddies and have fun in a 3 4 or 5 man somewhere that isn't KC. KC pickup groups have been the butt of many a P99 joke for quite some time now.

If you don't hunt with friends and you can't get your shit together to herd some cats and go to a low population zone you're gonna have to deal with the PUG bullshit. All things considered the rogue is in the right here, however it didn't have to be this way.

If you want to get drops and make some plat and get your lvls you have to be intrepid and not ride the KC nub train. If you were in a duo or 3 man with friends you could have split the sale and each walked away happy.

Go to Velks and farm some Crystal Chitin if you want to make some plat. You don't even have to go deep into the zone. You'll get the same or better XP than shitty KC and actually get some sellable drops in a zone that has become relatively abandoned and its just port and a short run away.

Orrrrrrrrr you could post up /LFG in fucking........KC. The hivemind mentality on this server is absolutely fucking laughable at this point.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm still shocked op has a 2011 account and is berging out so hard over a fucking tstaff on a pve server..

Also shocked brak did not wait for you to return the item. From what I see here the winner never got your tstaff because of that? If so op is getting a suspension & his pixels so idk why he is freaking out. I'd be more upset for the roll winner not getting the item.

P99 is and always will be greed over need, anyone can get a t staff of they win a 20k item.

[Cecily]

I won my RBG from a mostly guild group of old VD / BDA years back. I didn't expect them to pass to me, but I politely inquired about it and they were all cool about it. If they had said no, which you kinda have to expect, I would have understood because I had learned my lesson before when an all guild group (Stillwater) greed rolled a FBSS instead of passing to the rogue (me) who seriously needed it. Omg I was so mad. Kinda how you know you're in a bad guild if that happens.

If people don't know you, like you, or have some bond with you, guild or otherwise, they aren't going pass on big money items. Ever. Just don't expect it and your idea of how things ought to be won't clash so hard with reality and make hilarious threads like this anymore.

[justin2090]

P99 is and always will be greed over need, anyone can get a t staff of they win a 20k item.

As it should be. Everyone can benefit from every camp.

[Cecily]

As it should be. Everyone can benefit from every camp.

No it shouldn't be. It should be a consensus of the people in the group, which is usually greed. Not always the case though.

[Cecily]

From his tl;dr wall of text server chat thread:


... With this being said, I offer an apology to Kayyte, because she won the roll and did not get the staff immediately, but that is actually the Guide's fault for not being patient during a completely chaotic situation. The emotion that was in me at the time, going from so happy to Devastation, to be called a ninja and spammed by the streamers followers, slowed the situation DOWN A LOT. I was sorting through things, while trying to maintain form and pulls to the group ...

So basically he said I'm sorry and fuck the police. I'm satisfied. Move this rant to resolved.

[Gimp]

People are greedy as fuck on this server when it comes to pixels. Better get used to it OP, it only gets worse.

[Cecily]

Nothing like giving a dishonest person the advice "Be better at being dishonest." You are all the reason that GMs have to get involved in the first place. A bunch of assholes who are just thinking about themselves instead of the community. A bunch of douche little egomaniacs, who thinks they are the center of the universe. "You should have found a way to cheat the group that's been helping you clear a path to him from being able to roll on an item that could help them all out." What a joke.

Your sense of entitlement is just as bad as OP's. Had he soloed the T-staff, I'd be on his side 100%.

[Evia]

Lol dude are you for real? You just endlessly try to justify being a giant douche bag ninja looter with any excuses you can come up with. Then you try to paint this glorious image of you helping people as if it's relevant to the topic. It isn't.

Bottom line is this;

-Tstaff dropped
-You lost roll
-You kept tstaff anyway and tried to convince them to let you have it because it's an upgrade
-they said no
-you started throwing a tantrum
-guide gets involved and bans/suspends you
-you head to the forums to paint yourself a glorious martyr who has been wronged, horribly.


Its truly among the most disgusting things I've witnessed. I hope you stay banned.

[Tongpow]

ahh thanks OP, shit like this i why i still randomly check the p99 forums

[Taysh]

Yesterday, I was suspended over a loot situation involved with the Tranquil Staff, I just want to make it clear #1 I am not a ninja, I realized that the group would not be doing Need before Greed, and didn't care if I needed the staff, so I was forced to roll, in rolling, I actually thought I won the roll. I was the second highest roll, the first person to roll was the Highest Roller (Kayyte), but a series of rollling including a different groups also happened at the same time. My eyes deceived me, especially with the T-Staff in my hand, there was a lot of emotion. I was pulling to the group like normal with the T-STAFF! I thought I WON! I was telling them I wouldn't be selling it, that i would be using it ETC. Shortly after the highest roller was saying, "She won the roll". I investigated, had to scroll through tons of chat spam / spell spam etc, I had just come back from a reformat recently, and my chat boxes were not set up perfectly.

A guide was on the scene almost immediately, upon trying to find out if I actually lost the roll (scrolling through all the spam/ messages from the followers of the streamer) I saw that I did indeed lose the roll. From an instant overwhelming happiness, to being devastated, I knew even with a guide telling me to hand over the staff I had to do just that. I literally, TOOK the staff out of my hands, walked up to the high roller, and was going to trade it, as I DID this, my game disconnected and I saw that I was ban/suspended, I don't remember the exact message because an overload of emotion was within my mind, I could barely think straight, nor did I actually understand the fullness of the loot rule situation, mainly because I RARELY EXP anymore, i spend all my time power leveling random people and spending time with low levels, aiding them etc, because the grind became depressing for me, I found more joy in helping people. I am not a hardcore player, I didn't have a full understanding of the servers loot rules either, but this right HERE is where the Guide should have stepped in and filled me in more accurately, and given me a MOMENT to actually hand the staff over, observe my character and see that I actually MOVED right towards the highest roller, and removed the staff out of my hand. I was just ABOUT to trade it to her, (Don't believe me GM's? Log into my account, you will find that staff on my cursor.)

The guide here actually, hurt the situation even more, because the highest roller never got her staff, if the Guide waited literally 10 seconds longer she would have had the staff, and I would have been able to continue exping. No I DID not ninja the staff and log or run away, like I said I thought I actually won, then I was told I didn't, and had to investigate before handing over a T-STAFF when I didn't have to, I also thought since it being a MNK only item, really did not have to go to a rogue with an Epic and Guild support, but Loot Rules are loot Rules and I DID finally understand this, but before I had the chance to deliver, I was suspended. The guide was there for literally maybe 1-2 Minutes max, meanwhile while this is happening, I just confirmed he actually was a guide, I had around 10+ tells from other players, I thought maybe it was some player acting like a guide, so /who Braknar, and realize yes he is a guide, I better listen to him. So I GO TO TRADE, and before I could I am removed.

Yes I learned the hard way, yes I have been on this server for a long time, my first account was compromised and I lost literally everything, on my lvl 50 Rogue. It was just up until recently I got very serious about end game, and I did not fully understand the looting.

With this being said, I offer an apology to Kayyte, because she won the roll and did not get the staff immediately, but that is actually the Guide's fault for not being patient during a completely chaotic situation. The emotion that was in me at the time, going from so happy to Devastation, to be called a ninja and spammed by the streamers followers, slowed the situation DOWN A LOT. I was sorting through things, while trying to maintain form and pulls to the group.

This is actually why all my years through EQ I stayed away from heading towards end game content, I hated the competitive part, the raid wars etc etc, I used to watch my brother go through it, thus spending most of my time with lower levels, either grouping with them, or just aiding them with power leveling, spending time with them, camping them items, whatever it was, that's what warmed my heart and brought me joy. The reason I even brought that up is because when I tried to go talk to Kayyte about it, she told me the realm was better off without someone like me, which sent me into a rage, and then she immediately resulted to just banning me before letting me discuss the situation with her.

I will return to EQ, I won't let this hurt my love for the 17 year old game, after all it's just pixels, non the less these pixels can actually inject overwhelming joy into our human lives, especially if our human lives are severely hurting, and we can take that joy with us through the day, knowing we can return back to the dimension later for more adventure and excitement.

A lot of people have come against me in this situation for understandable reasons, with just a night passing I was able to see the situation a little clearer from the outside. I thought about it for so long, tossed and turned, I get it. The thing that bothers me most was the Guide interaction, the fact that he contributed to tarnishing my reputation instead of helping me come to a clarity as to why the item did not belong to me. With all of this being said, everyone who bashed me and sent negative comments my way, you are entitled to your opinion, but the thing that touched my heart most was the people who were kind to me, and tried to either explain why this happened, and educate me. Funny thing is about being a monk, we do work very hard, pulling for 8 hours or so straight at times while the rest of the group literally sit's still.

Pullers are a special kind of people, some have a love for it, some become a slave to it. I know this does not at all effect the actual loot rules, but like I said I wasn't educated on all of that, and in my mind I felt an entitlement to the MNK only Staff, as it was a pure upgrade to my current weapons. That is why I was struggling so much with the roll system being Greed before Need which I consulted the GM's ABOUT INSTANTLY upon drop of the item, and even with the roll system I THOUGHT I WON. So this was my apology, all I want out of this is for the select few people who now know of the situation, is to find forgiveness in their mind for me. I am a good person, and a good force in the realm especially to new players with lack of time trying to get to end game, to be seen the opposite over 1 mistake, is what truly bothers me.

I hope you all have a wonderful day, and safe hunting. (since my apology thread was closed. Last thing I will say about this!)

[Cecily]

"How's our prose these days?" Colonel Cargill decided to inquire while he had ex-P.F.C. Wintergreen on the phone. "It's much better now, isn't it?"

"It's still to prolix," ex-P.F.C. Wintergreen replied.

[Uuruk]

Does anyone else not like trannies?

[SamwiseRed]

who cares about a tstaff on blue lol.

[Oleris]

denial.... anger......bargaining.....depression....acceptance

[Achilles93]

The GMs have access to the logs and had the other group members right there. There is a stream of the events. So there is no question you are in the wrong, that is established.

You had multiple chances to do the right thing and balked at every turn.

Actions like these deserve bans and I am very happy it was resolved quickly and fairly. I hope this thread gets another 100 pages of replies and everyone on the server sees it in the hopes that it stops people like you from doing crap like this in the future.

The server is better off without you.

Ligeiia

[Merekai]

Quality entertainment here. As a rogue who like Cecily quested their own Ragebringer at lvl 47, would you like to know how I mainly made platinum during this time frame? Being a lucky fucking bastard and winning 6 person randoms on a few nice items. Grats to the winner the only thing the group didn't do correctly was petition immediately after the soandso looted message lol, knew douchebag-itis would set in on Ahngfei then.

Chev

[Safon]

OP just remember to solo the mob in the future, same with all other monks reading this. Issue solved.

/thread

[Taysh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmq6VVNqPz4

[beyondinfin]

Dont mind me, just posting in an glorious thread!

[Safon]

Dont mind me, just posting in an glorious thread!

lmao isn't it though?

[Troxx]

KC has shit XP except for basement and shit loot and LCY is a shit camp.

I've participated in fast xp groups on 3 different classes now in most all viable xp zones, and have not found the above quote necessarily to be true. MOST pickup groups on KC will have shit xp.

But ... even considering the most rocking seb group, none have held a candle to a few KC groups I've had, LCY camp taking the cake for best xp. During non prime time, a very high dps group with adequate support will have a hard time beating the LCY camp in an empy KC. You have literally endless easy, low hit point mobs to mow down with reckless abandon.

The fastest xp in the game at any given level range (massive zone xp mods aside) is and will always be finding the lowest level dark blue cons you can find and plowing through them (solo/duo/trio or hell ... even a full group). I have not yet found a group that could match the xp rate of my bard + cleric + 2 rogues, and a chain pulling monk dumping 3-8 mobs at a time on top of us in LCY while I cc'd then on the bard (aoe snare + group haste + regen). Hell, even yesterday in KC ... 2 epic/fungi monks + 1 cleric (levels 56/56/59) got some really insane xp keeping all of basement and half of turnkey down before repops. KC has its charm ... but that charm doesn't involve the 4pm-12am CST/EST prime time or the weekends where 30+ goobers are trying to smash themselves into too few camps.

But sorry to derail.

OP is a fuckwit who got a well deserved time out.

[Troxx]

From his tl;dr wall of text server chat thread:



So basically he said I'm sorry and fuck the police. I'm satisfied. Move this rant to resolved.

Uh no, he looted it and failed to immediately hand it over when he lost.

He also called the winner a cunt.

The bastard only offered a 0.03% lame ass apology AFTER he got banned, and after his thread went sour.

[Taysh]

I've participated in fast xp groups on 3 different classes now in most all viable xp zones, and have not found the above quote necessarily to be true. MOST pickup groups on KC will have shit xp.

But ... even considering the most rocking seb group, none have held a candle to a few KC groups I've had, LCY camp taking the cake for best xp. During non prime time, a very high dps group with adequate support will have a hard time beating the LCY camp in an empy KC. You have literally endless easy, low hit point mobs to mow down with reckless abandon.

The fastest xp in the game at any given level range (massive zone xp mods aside) is and will always be finding the lowest level dark blue cons you can find and plowing through them (solo/duo/trio or hell ... even a full group). I have not yet found a group that could match the xp rate of my bard + cleric + 2 rogues, and a chain pulling monk dumping 3-8 mobs at a time on top of us in LCY while I cc'd then on the bard (aoe snare + group haste + regen). Hell, even yesterday in KC ... 2 epic/fungi monks + 1 cleric (levels 56/56/59) got some really insane xp keeping all of basement and half of turnkey down before repops. KC has its charm ... but that charm doesn't involve the 4pm-12am CST/EST prime time or the weekends where 30+ goobers are trying to smash themselves into too few camps.

But sorry to derail.

OP is a fuckwit who got a well deserved time out.


Well I was second highest roll and didn't see the first roll because my chat box was being blasted spell spam etc, I was actually under the impression i won the roll since the whole need before greed thing was out the window, later to find out it wasn't the top roll, that is when the GM came. Anyways thanks for your input!

[Cecily]

Versus apologizing before the thing with the t-staff happened?

[Troxx]

Quit lying.

http://m.imgur.com/a/2Ua04

Anyone can see exactly how it went down. You might have thought you won it for all of 3 seconds, but it's pretty clear from the conversation that took place you had no intention of handing it over willingly.

Revisionist history doesn't work, and your most recent attempt to save face doesn't even jive with your initial posts in this thread.

Liar liar pants on fire.

[Taysh]

Lol @ quit lying. If only you saw that i have 1 Box for damage and all the rest is filtered into the other box. Why are you so salty this has nothing to do with you! Like i said, thanks for your input have a great day. :)

[Troxx]

Epic backfire.

[Jorgam]

OP,

Once I lost a roll on Torpor as a shaman, to a TMO cleric..

It could be a lot worse..

Reflect on the idea that it is not what happens to you, but how you react to it.

GL on the next one!

[Troxx]

So here I am, a monk with lowly items in his hands as weapons, pulling vigorously for my group in Karnors Castle. I see a skeleton with a Tranq Staff, the pulling competition is savage, I know its a straight up upgrade, and have to tag it before anyone else does, I tag it, with excitement, bring it back to the group, where no loot rules were established AT ALL.

They immediately begin to roll, of course being greed driven creatures, I am the last one to roll, sitting there in confusion, I ignore it and begin dpsing away, while writing my petition. Ultimately, I am forced to roll, and lose to an Epic'd out Rogue in Venerate Named Kayyte.... EPIC'd...OUT...ROGUE.....ROGUE...ROGUE....STAFF = MNK ONLY...GIANT UPGRADE....GM STEPS IN, Acting like a child, while I am trying to discuss the situation with him. What does the Good monk who power levels the entire fucking world with any chance he can get, get in return? A Ban, removed from the game before even speaking my side, so the greedy rogue can have her way. Meanwhile, she would have never even seen the item if I didn't win the competitive pull to bring it back.....So Thanks Kayyte, for being another Greed driven EQ player, I even said to her, can I use it till I get a raid upgrade then Pass it? Nope....Bitch needed the money, over a godly staff in the hands of WELL DESERVING MONK WHO SERVED THE WORLD WITH GREAT LOVE AND CARE....I could have dropped the group and just killed the mob myself, that's the part that tears me up. Crazy, how pixels can make a man lay on the ground depressed.. I may never return to the realm, the world has lost a great monk who served all with any chance he got to give.

-Sincerely,
Ahngfei.

I still get a chortle reading that.

[Taysh]

OP,

Once I lost a roll on Torpor as a shaman, to a TMO cleric..

It could be a lot worse..

Reflect on the idea that it is not what happens to you, but how you react to it.

GL on the next one!

Harsh, sorry that happened to you. Thanks for your input though, and for the advice. :)

[Taysh]

I still get a chortle reading that.

Thanks for your input! Very cool story bro!

[Bruno]

The last time I checked those things were pretty cheap. You could have farmed up enough plat to buy that staff with the time and effort you put into that ordeal and this thread.

[Pokesan]

yeah the lazy rogue clearly deserves it over the chainpulling monk good point folks

[SamwiseRed]

this is why you establish loot rules before pulling.

[Aleinan]

Your sense of entitlement is just as bad as OP's. Had he soloed the T-staff, I'd be on his side 100%.

I wasn'the saying he would be in the wrong, just a huge dick. If he was solo he wouldn't have been able to get to the mob. Without the whole group killing all the skellies and BGs, how do you think he solos the mob without getting killed by all the other mobs. Theread were no other groups in the zone at the time either, so his exaggeration on getting so excited for tagging the mob was just as dumb. When we formed the group, there were literally just the 6 of us in the zone. When the T-staff dropped, there still wasn't another group camped yet. It would be like watching a camp that you can't kill, and then asking for help when it pops, and assuming the loot is yours. For that I do feel entitled, for the exact same chance as anyone else in my group at any loot that I put equal efforts into acquiring. Disbanding to solo is the biggest dick move, especially since the puller is always going to see the items first. Do you know how many times an enchanter would have that opportunity? If you'received going to be a part of a group, be a part of the group. If you don't, get the funk out of my group and go solo shit somewhere else.

[iruinedyourday]

This thread is why we can't get anything done in politics.

[thufir]

It's pretty amusing to see OP do a 180 degree turn to try and save himself. That's the best part of this whole thread by far. I wish we had a camera so we could see his face at the precise moment he realized he had been digging himself a deeper hole for awhile.

[Pokesan]

Check out all the garbage posters coming out of the woodwork to take their shots at OP

cowards

[TacoSmasher]

nice human monk u scrub

[Uuruk]

Thread derail time. Here's a gif of Nocsucows wife.

http://i.imgur.com/e3i0Xka.gif

[Spyder73]

quality thread - sorry for your troubles OP - I have been there, drooling at the T-Staff also and not winning it, but is a 20k-30k item and your in a PUG. Its unreasonable to expect no one else to roll

But from what I have gathered, you ninja looted a T Staff and got banned and are now crying about it. Its OK, you will recover. T Staff not even that good, very over rated piece of gear. Your Epic and SoS will do a lot more damage

[Secrets]

Just seems dumb that you guys ruin a new player's experience for 30k plat.

I'm just saying, if this was EQLive in 2000 and a Tranquil Staff dropped and he did the same thing, he wouldn't have been banned for it - the community needs to police itself and work things out together. In 2000, he would've been blacklisted and it would've been one of those 'oh well' things - what good is a monk that has a Tranquil staff and a tarnished reputation?

To be honest, I'm quite sad at what EQ has devolved into. You guys are more concerned about yourselves and that's not classic. The raid scene here is not classic. Something needs to be done.

[azeth]

Just seems dumb that you guys ruin a new player's experience for 30k plat.

so 30k plat cant buy rogue gear or?

[AzzarTheGod]

Just seems dumb that you guys ruin a new player's experience for 30k plat.

I'm just saying, if this was EQLive in 2000 and a Tranquil Staff dropped and he did the same thing, he wouldn't have been banned for it - the community needs to police itself and work things out together. In 2000, he would've been blacklisted and it would've been one of those 'oh well' things - what good is a monk that has a Tranquil staff and a tarnished reputation?

To be honest, I'm quite sad at what EQ has devolved into. You guys are more concerned about yourselves and that's not classic. The raid scene here is not classic. Something needs to be done.


Yeah we don't have any say. But I'm for commuting the sentence ASAP. The ban seems over the top.

Its possible not enough time was given to hand over the staff, and should be given the benefit of the doubt imo.

[AzzarTheGod]

You can't tell me live on stream had absolutely nothing to do with the speed of the ban and possibly contributed to some hasty decisions for "effect" either.

[Achilles93]

Just seems dumb that you guys ruin a new player's experience for 30k plat.

I'm just saying, if this was EQLive in 2000 and a Tranquil Staff dropped and he did the same thing, he wouldn't have been banned for it - the community needs to police itself and work things out together. In 2000, he would've been blacklisted and it would've been one of those 'oh well' things - what good is a monk that has a Tranquil staff and a tarnished reputation?

To be honest, I'm quite sad at what EQ has devolved into. You guys are more concerned about yourselves and that's not classic. The raid scene here is not classic. Something needs to be done.

If you look at the OPs profile you will see he joined in 2011. He is not new. Which means he knew better.

Your point about the GMs on live circa 2000 not getting involved is probably true, but what of it? One of the things many people hated about live was that bad deeds often went unpunished. In this situation the item was returned to its rightful owner and the offending party was given a 2 week time out. What's not to like about that?

Blaming the victim for not being more generous with a ninja looter and a liar makes no sense.

[Meep]

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Check out all the garbage posters coming out of the woodwork to take their shots at OP

cowards

[Bruno]

Just seems dumb that you guys ruin a new player's experience for 30k plat.

I'm just saying, if this was EQLive in 2000 and a Tranquil Staff dropped and he did the same thing, he wouldn't have been banned for it - the community needs to police itself and work things out together. In 2000, he would've been blacklisted and it would've been one of those 'oh well' things - what good is a monk that has a Tranquil staff and a tarnished reputation?

To be honest, I'm quite sad at what EQ has devolved into. You guys are more concerned about yourselves and that's not classic. The raid scene here is not classic. Something needs to be done.

Just because you had a different experience in 2000 doesn't mean it was correct. People on this server have evolved and come to the realization that claiming need on an item for yourself is selfish. NBG works in close friend / guild type situations. In a random group setting, if people want to be friendly and pass on an item to give to someone else, or win the item and give to that person, that's great, I'm all for it. But, by no means are they entitled to that item. This guy clearly lacks self control, communication skills, and feels self entitled. Could it have been handled differently? Maybe. With his two week suspension he can contemplate his actions and how he handed the situation, and will most likely handle situations like this differently in the future.

[Meep]

With his two week suspension he can contemplate his actions and how he handed the situation, and will most likely handle situations like this differently in the future.

u got one of these?

http://cdn1.thecomeback.com/theoutsidecorner/wp-content/uploads/sites/19/2015/04/jump_conclusions-600x356.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

actual in classic he would have just gotten the staff. at least on druzzil ro almost every camp was NBG. here the default is greed before all. OP should have known this.

[Soandso]

This is so shitty. I can say that I have seen the OP countless times powerleveling hordes of noobs in CB every time I saw him logged on or giving away what items or plat he had. My experience on live on the 2 servers I played on was always NBG it sux but this community is terrible and everyone is always supposed be to liek EVERQUEST IS ABOUT COMMUNITY but then actions are louder than those bullshit words. Epic rogue needs to take a T staff from a monk. Plz, just shows how trashy that person must be in RL. To the OP, sorry but this stupid rogue is representative of the majority of the population here.

[Bruno]

By the way Secrets, you're the last person who should be critiquing GMs on their sentencing. I'm sure we could create a pretty long thread about hormone driven bans you've laid down yourself.

[Jorgam]

actual in classic he would have just gotten the staff. at least on druzzil ro almost every camp was NBG. here the default is greed before all. OP should have known this.

Originally from Dro on live myself. Pravus Mortis till xfering to Stromm. Good times!

[Pokesan]

By the way Secrets, you're the last person who should be critiquing GMs on their sentencing. I'm sure we could create a pretty long thread about hormone driven bans you've laid down yourself.

fite me irl

nobody shittalks secrets on my watch

[Gain]

DRO here as well. Was in L'Malla and Novus Invictus.

[Southpaws]

This server is garbage.

[tyrant49333]

Enjoy your ban scrub! Sounds like you're a real tool who got what he deserved. Go back to WoW.

/clap

Great job GMs

[Jorgam]

DRO here as well. Was in L'Malla and Novus Invictus.

Right on. Knew some people in Novus and always liked the name L'Malla. Good guilds!

[Sallan]

This is so shitty. I can say that I have seen the OP countless times powerleveling hordes of noobs in CB every time I saw him logged on or giving away what items or plat he had. My experience on live on the 2 servers I played on was always NBG it sux but this community is terrible and everyone is always supposed be to liek EVERQUEST IS ABOUT COMMUNITY but then actions are louder than those bullshit words. Epic rogue needs to take a T staff from a monk. Plz, just shows how trashy that person must be in RL. To the OP, sorry but this stupid rogue is representative of the majority of the population here.

This. Sadly as many have said the server doesn't communally agree with NBG (in most cases) and greed almost always sets in. Sorry to see this happen to you - judging by your elaborate posts your intentions seem genuine.

[bloodmuffin]

The entitlement is out of this fucking world.

[Decad]

Another NBG thread. Anyone remember the "farming guardian wurms, torpor is reserved" thread

People need to stop saying their style on live be it NBG or rolls. This server is not live. And on live there are many servers who rolls top instead of NBG in a PUG.

NBG works provided u with friends or guildies. Adapt to your environment and not expect the environment to adapt to you.

[Baa]

I am pretty shattered that I never got served with great love and care /sadbaa

[JackFlash]

It's not greed on a 6 year old 3 expansion server. It's fair.

[Pokesan]

It's not greed on a 6 year old 3 expansion server. It's fair.

no its still greed you autist

[Zill]

thats why I only ever start my own groups and remind everyone it's NEED BEFORE GREED

that shit pisses me off sincerely, I feel ur pain OP

[Nitsude]

How is need before greed any less greedy? It's essentially saying your needs are more important than everyone else.

If an item is droppable *anyone* can sell it to their own benefit.

[Bruno]

fite me irl

nobody shittalks secrets on my watch

You mistake me friend. I'm not shit talking, just putting things in perspective. I actually like the new Secrets, but we clearly disagree on this issue. If I try hard enough I can remember a few shaman I've recently helped farm torpor for. One guy was in Haggard Krew before it went to shit. Good peoples. I didn't even know these people at the time, just good ole casual fun group experiences. I know how difficult it can be to acquire it, and being that I genuinely enjoy helping others in this game, I didn't mind putting in the time and effort. To me, in game, small group experiences are the best part of playing Everquest. That doesn't remove the fact that claiming need on something with a group of randos is selfish. It's been hashed out a million times here and that's why the general consensus is greed with a group of randos.

[KillerTofu]

So here I am, a monk with lowly items in his hands as weapons, pulling vigorously for my group in Karnors Castle. I see a skeleton with a Tranq Staff, the pulling competition is savage, I know its a straight up upgrade, and have to tag it before anyone else does, I tag it, with excitement, bring it back to the group, where no loot rules were established AT ALL.

They immediately begin to roll, of course being greed driven creatures, I am the last one to roll, sitting there in confusion, I ignore it and begin dpsing away, while writing my petition. Ultimately, I am forced to roll, and lose to an Epic'd out Rogue in Venerate Named Kayyte.... EPIC'd...OUT...ROGUE.....ROGUE...ROGUE....STAFF = MNK ONLY...GIANT UPGRADE....GM STEPS IN, Acting like a child, while I am trying to discuss the situation with him. What does the Good monk who power levels the entire fucking world with any chance he can get, get in return? A Ban, removed from the game before even speaking my side, so the greedy rogue can have her way. Meanwhile, she would have never even seen the item if I didn't win the competitive pull to bring it back.....So Thanks Kayyte, for being another Greed driven EQ player, I even said to her, can I use it till I get a raid upgrade then Pass it? Nope....Bitch needed the money, over a godly staff in the hands of WELL DESERVING MONK WHO SERVED THE WORLD WITH GREAT LOVE AND CARE....I could have dropped the group and just killed the mob myself, that's the part that tears me up. Crazy, how pixels can make a man lay on the ground depressed.. I may never return to the realm, the world has lost a great monk who served all with any chance he got to give.

-Sincerely,
Ahngfei.

I understand where ur coming from, but when you have an item drop thats worth some money everyone is going to want to roll on it or not regardless if its a upgrade or not. Only thing u could have really done is ask if u could have it since its a huge upgrade for you and the group would have to agree on it. Last time i checked is was for around 25-30k so i mean its a nice chunk of change. I myself wouldnt expect no one to just "give" me an item like that. Im sorry to hear about what happened to you but honestly getting mad about it makes no sense. A 30k drop everyone in ur group i going to roll on it regardless, other people need plat for alts/tradeskills whatever the case maybe, and endgame spells/upgrade items for other people are not cheap. Like i said only thing u could have done was ask the group nicely if you could have it.

[JackFlash]

no its still greed you autist

can pls explan?

[Pokesan]

can pls explan?

JackFlash JackFlash is online now
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Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 495

Can you see how, a new player, might take exception to you increasing your millionfold wealth, at the expense of what is sometimes a BiS weapon for them?

[iruinedyourday]

I can't imagine how dumb you'd have to be to want a tstaff on blue

[JackFlash]

Can you see how, a new player, might take exception to you increasing your millionfold wealth, at the expense of what is sometimes a BiS weapon for them?

A new player with a forum account from 2011? Also everyone playing a non 60 is always a new player and people never lie. I've seen people corpse fungi's all day and still haven't won a single roll for myself. It's just how it goes here classic or not.

[iruinedyourday]

How is need before greed any less greedy? It's essentially saying your needs are more important than everyone else.

If an item is droppable *anyone* can sell it to their own benefit.

It's the dumbest idea of all time.. I mean if you're rich and not a douche pass on something for new folks but fuck just giving 20k to some fuckn noob who probably pushes old ladies over to get a better seat at the movie theater for all you know, just cus they're new lol

This game is addictive they ain't going anywhere lol greed b4 need unless you're with pals, in which case I wouldn't be pals with anyone that would roll lawyer item drops.

[Pokesan]

A new player with a forum account from 2011? Also everyone playing a non 60 is always a new player and people never lie. I've seen people corpse fungi's all day and still haven't won a single roll for myself. It's just how it goes here classic or not.

Arguing in principle, please understand the difference you autistic little man :cool:

[KillerTofu]

yea i like NBG, helping theres out always makes me happy, if i was in the group i woulda gave it to ya but oh well thats just me. Calling people names isnt going to get you no where though hence why u were banned.

[TheFaceless]

I think if you offered to pay everyone 5k plat (or those who wanted to roll for it) then you'd have a case. Otherwise you're just being a greedy dick.

[KillerTofu]

just let it go and keep grouping in there im sure youll get one eventually, gl to you sir

[JackFlash]

Arguing in principle, please understand the difference you autistic little man :cool:

Same, many people don't really understand why NBG doesn't work here. Back to eating lead sinkers.

[Gain]

Right on. Knew some people in Novus and always liked the name L'Malla. Good guilds!

Who did you know?

[nothsa]

Its a 30k item that's all there is to it, i think it fair that everyone gets to roll it,
Pawbuster on the other hand is kinda lame not to let a monk roll on if they need thier epic.

[Taysh]

just let it go and keep grouping in there im sure youll get one eventually, gl to you sir

Hey thanks!!!

[Taysh]

yea i like NBG, helping theres out always makes me happy, if i was in the group i woulda gave it to ya but oh well thats just me. Calling people names isnt going to get you no where though hence why u were banned.

Nah I was banned because I didn't hand it over in time. I actually got ban mid hand over, thing is on my mouse cursor lol they are gonna have to pry it from my cold dead fingers!

[slappytwotoes]

Monk wanting a 30k drop for himself without compensating any other contributing members while calling them all greedy... the irony.

[Tasslehofp99]

I can't imagine how dumb you'd have to be to want a tstaff on blue

this, t-staff sucks for non-pvp

OP is a dick, glad hes suspended..

[Troxx]

This is so shitty. I can say that I have seen the OP countless times powerleveling hordes of noobs in CB every time I saw him logged on or giving away what items or plat he had. My experience on live on the 2 servers I played on was always NBG it sux but this community is terrible and everyone is always supposed be to liek EVERQUEST IS ABOUT COMMUNITY but then actions are louder than those bullshit words. Epic rogue needs to take a T staff from a monk. Plz, just shows how trashy that person must be in RL. To the OP, sorry but this stupid rogue is representative of the majority of the population here.

Why do you sound exactly like the OP? Is it because you both magically have a forum join date of Feb 2011? Is this also how you've managed to magically stumble upon this "other guy" ... powerleveling hordes of noobs "countless times"?

What an incredible coincidence!

But hey, maybe you guys are just besties or identical twins and that's why your sentence structure is so strikingly similar?

The plot thickens ...

[AzzarTheGod]

fite me irl

nobody shittalks secrets on my watch

[AzzarTheGod]

no its still greed you autist

[Efwan]

Come over to red.

Literally zoned into kc, ran 2 people out of the zone and camped it solo. Still took well over 200 hours, but ya know, worth it.

[Soandso]

Why do you sound exactly like the OP? Is it because you both magically have a forum join date of Feb 2011? Is this also how you've managed to magically stumble upon this "other guy" ... powerleveling hordes of noobs "countless times"?

What an incredible coincidence!

But hey, maybe you guys are just besties or identical twins and that's why your sentence structure is so strikingly similar?

The plot thickens ...

No, sorry you're just a moron.

[Troxx]

Ironic how the OP's account was logged in (green) until you logged in to post. Now that account is logged out.

How interdasting!

[trite]

to the OP you are actually the greedy bitch, you know how many rolls people with stuff on this server have lost....stfu

[Soandso]

Ironic how the OP's account was logged in (green) until you logged in to post. Now that account is logged out.

How interdasting!

Got a real Sherlock Holmes here.

[Pokesan]

poor retarded Troxx

[Big_Japan]

glad we got a sane policy on Secrets in this here Society

i will personally nape any rigger who steps out of line in this respect

[Xaanka]

its common knowledge that big ticket droppable plat items get rolled on unless NBG rules were discussed beforehand. generally if you aren't an asperger and the item's an upgrade for you, there's the option of kindly asking the winner of the item to sell it to you at a discounted price. having basic people skills instead of petitioning and then making a mockery of yourself on rnf usually gets you places. op you are as dumb as bricks.

[Pokesan]

let's all pay epic rogues for letting us FTE warlords for them

[Xaanka]

So here I am, a monk with lowly items in his hands as weapons, pulling vigorously for my group in Karnors Castle. I see a skeleton with a Tranq Staff, the pulling competition is savage, I know its a straight up upgrade, and have to tag it before anyone else does, I tag it, with excitement, bring it back to the group, where no loot rules were established AT ALL.

They immediately begin to roll, of course being greed driven creatures, I am the last one to roll, sitting there in confusion, I ignore it and begin dpsing away, while writing my petition. Ultimately, I am forced to roll, and lose to an Epic'd out Rogue in Venerate Named Kayyte.... EPIC'd...OUT...ROGUE.....ROGUE...ROGUE....STAFF = MNK ONLY...GIANT UPGRADE....GM STEPS IN, Acting like a child, while I am trying to discuss the situation with him. What does the Good monk who power levels the entire fucking world with any chance he can get, get in return? A Ban, removed from the game before even speaking my side, so the greedy rogue can have her way. Meanwhile, she would have never even seen the item if I didn't win the competitive pull to bring it back.....So Thanks Kayyte, for being another Greed driven EQ player, I even said to her, can I use it till I get a raid upgrade then Pass it? Nope....Bitch needed the money, over a godly staff in the hands of WELL DESERVING MONK WHO SERVED THE WORLD WITH GREAT LOVE AND CARE....I could have dropped the group and just killed the mob myself, that's the part that tears me up. Crazy, how pixels can make a man lay on the ground depressed.. I may never return to the realm, the world has lost a great monk who served all with any chance he got to give.

-Sincerely,
Ahngfei.

u post like a MK ultra shooter about to go active

[Xaanka]

So here I am, a monk with lowly items in his hands as weapons, pulling vigorously for my group in Karnors Castle. I see a skeleton with a Tranq Staff, the pulling competition is savage, I know its a straight up upgrade, and have to tag it before anyone else does, I tag it, with excitement, bring it back to the group, where no loot rules were established AT ALL.

They immediately begin to roll, of course being greed driven creatures, I am the last one to roll, sitting there in confusion, I ignore it and begin dpsing away, while writing my petition. Ultimately, I am forced to roll, and lose to an Epic'd out Rogue in Venerate Named Kayyte.... EPIC'd...OUT...ROGUE.....ROGUE...ROGUE....STAFF = MNK ONLY...GIANT UPGRADE....GM STEPS IN, Acting like a child, while I am trying to discuss the situation with him. What does the Good monk who power levels the entire fucking world with any chance he can get, get in return? A Ban, removed from the game before even speaking my side, so the greedy rogue can have her way. Meanwhile, she would have never even seen the item if I didn't win the competitive pull to bring it back.....So Thanks Kayyte, for being another Greed driven EQ player, I even said to her, can I use it till I get a raid upgrade then Pass it? Nope....Bitch needed the money, over a godly staff in the hands of WELL DESERVING MONK WHO SERVED THE WORLD WITH GREAT LOVE AND CARE....I could have dropped the group and just killed the mob myself, that's the part that tears me up. Crazy, how pixels can make a man lay on the ground depressed.. I may never return to the realm, the world has lost a great monk who served all with any chance he got to give.

-Sincerely,
Ahngfei.

your an idiot

[Bruno]

your an idiot

agree.

imo, keep the guardian mace because you already have it. the proc is good. if you're going to sell it, do it to buy a better instrument. or maybe a tish orb if you're on red.

drum->resists->lute->sta/hp->dex is pretty much your list of priorities. throw "clicky trash buffs" after resists on that if you're playing on red.

str, weapon ratio, etc don't really matter much. procs/effects on weapons can be important/useful like tish orbs, that sword with the clicky regen song, guardian mace, epic, slow trident etc. the only time you should really put much thought into your weapons is "is this proc/effect any good"

think of it this way: at best your dps is going to be about on par with a necro pet, from low levels to the endgame with all the best gear.

gug try :D

[Bruno]

I missed one too.

[JayDee]

Threads like this bring me back

[Bruno]

Threads like this bring me back

I enjoyed it.

[Big_Japan]

gug try :D

did you really just take that bait

yikes bro

[Bruno]

did you really just take that bait

yikes bro

Not sure what the name for this troll is. Too drunk to figure that out.

[LostCause]

no one was this greedy in 1999



NOT CLASSIC.

[Turd]

Nah I was banned because I didn't hand it over in time. I actually got ban mid hand over, thing is on my mouse cursor lol they are gonna have to pry it from my cold dead fingers!

You realize its probably already been taken from your account, right?

[Zill]

This box trippin.

During my time on classic the looting rules went as such - if the item in question is an immediate, usable upgrade for you then you get to roll. It doesn't matter if the item is droppable; the act of actually equipping and using the item after looting takes priority over another class wanting to sell it. If you're the same class and you have a better item equipped than the one in question, you also don't roll! Again, the act of someone actually picking it up and using it right away takes priority.

NOW - if ALL members of the group have better items and wont be upgrading, or there is no class present to take advantage of the upgrade, everyone gets to roll for pp purposes.

If you had any objections because you were equipping your main or helping a friend or some shit, you let the group know ahead of time. Otherwise you = ninja

[Ennewi]

If a player really needed the item, I could see where it would be common practice to let them roll twice or to give them a slight advantage, giving +10 to their random or something, but you can't expect players to do that. No matter how hard it is, don't be a dick, even if you feel dicked over. Reputation and levels are more important than gear. Ruining the first just means it's going to be more difficult to accomplish the other two.

[drktmplr12]

been a while since i've seen someone this angry because they don't understand there are literally NO camps worth anyone's time that operate NBG. i've lost rolls plenty of t-staffs and KC pipes.

do i get mad? yes.

do i keep it to myself? yes.

do i stfu, keep pulling and hope for another? yes.

this is how it works. i'm surprised you made it past 50 without realizing it.

[feanan]

I can totally see why you should be guaranteed the 30k loot by default, because after all, a totally useless pair of boots or gloves worth 400pp may drop for my class

[JackFlash]

Best part: OP still thinks he's right.

[Cecily]

been a while since i've seen someone this angry because they don't understand there are literally NO camps worth anyone's time that operate NBG. i've lost rolls plenty of t-staffs and KC pipes.

do i get mad? yes.

do i keep it to myself? yes.

do i stfu, keep pulling and hope for another? yes.

this is how it works. i'm surprised you made it past 50 without realizing it.

I'd actually support a rage thread like this for KC pipes, and I'm sorry you've gotten screwed out of epic pieces by our wonderful community.

[Troxx]

TStaff dropped for my group about 3 weeks ago. 6 of us rolled, I happened to win (playing my monk). I played around with it for a brief period of time before selling it. Unless its a guild group or group of really close friends, I wouldn't have let them do need before greed on an item like this even if it meant I got to win it. After winning the tstaff, I let the other monk in the group have my SoS (he had SoS and a crap offhand). He insisted on returning the SoS when he finished his epic, and used that SoS until about 3 days ago when he finally got his epic and sent me a tell to return the blunt.

"Need before Greed" is not really a fair loot system outside of guilds (people who work together for a common purpose) or a group of very tight knit friends who level together. The only really fair loot system is a straight up random. Statistically speaking, you will get your share over time. In my case, I had a string of extremely terrible luck for the first 8-12 months I played on this server ... lost a lot of rolls on gear of variable value. Over time, it averages out. Outside of those who RMT (and the vast majority of them will be and/or have been busted), most of the people who have a ton of plat or resources have simply played longer/harder than the rest.

That Tstaff is the most valuable thing I've won in 18 months playing on this server ... whatever funds I have now are the sum total of time spent accumulating 300-500pp vendor kunark armors, making potions on my shaman (100s made and sold painfully in EC), farming seafuries (ugh ... with a passion ... ugh), or velious gems I happened across in random xp groups or soloing the upper 50s to ding 60 on my bard.

When you join a group, expect ALL high dollar items to be greed rolled. Lower to medium value? Group may pass to someone who could use as an upgrade. Gems? Generally greed roll or alpha (if the camp drops gems frequently). Spells? Depends on the value, but for the big ones you can expect a greed roll even if someone needs (ie torpor drops, everyone gets a roll even if a shaman in the pickup group needs it).

[Troxx]

I'd actually support a rage thread like this for KC pipes, and I'm sorry you've gotten screwed out of epic pieces by our wonderful community.

I've never been in a group that went greed on the KC pipe if a monk in the group needed it ... and I've been in a few dozen hand/WL camps where 1 or more pipes dropped.

[iruinedyourday]

I've never been in a group that went greed on the KC pipe if a monk in the group needed it ... and I've been in a few dozen hand/WL camps where 1 or more pipes dropped.

That's cus that's like 5 k and a pain for the seller. And would be silly.

What these forums don't understand is most of the time players operate under the direction of common sense.

Then 5 year old vets pretend they're new to the box & create glorious threads like this.

[Cecily]

I haven't either, but apparently it's happened to him multiple times. I'm no saint in that zone, because I've sniped abandoned pawbusters in front of needy monks before. But for your own group to pull greed on you for an epic piece is just wrong.

[Spyder73]

Best part: OP still thinks he's right.

To some extent OP is right, but he is not taking into consideration that we are at end game. There will be no Luclin, no PoP, we are at the end of the line. The NBG concept kinda goes out the window when there is no progression. Generating PP to deal with the EC fat cats becomes its own progression. Gems for 10k, Dragon drop-able loot 200k+, Epic MQ for 20k-500k. Sh!t gets real expensive for every class and T-Staff is a novelty item. If it was a top DPS weapon it would be one thing, but its not, its a twink item worth $$$.

[mjbcb0717]

Iv always followed nbg system even back on live it worked well no idea why people have a problem doing it on here guess it's the Ole mighty platinum whispering in your ear. I tend to roll for it if everyone's rolling if it's an upgrade and I win I normally pass it to the person who could use it I feel better knowing it's being used for a good purpose rather then money hungry people hell iv had items returned to me when they found an even better upgrade. So sometimes it works in your favor. Sucks these kind of things happen but what can you do?

[Troxx]

30k to most people isn't going to be 30k padding their already multiple 100s of thousands bank roll. A 30k drop in a pickup group, for most people, equates to a serious set of buyable upgrades for their characters.

The one monk in a group of 6 people has his 1:6 chance to win it. If he/she won, they've got the choice to keep the overpriced piece of gear or sell it for 30k and buy better dps weapons, a better haste item, or several minor upgrades and a set of blue diamond resist gear.

Everybody rolls.
Everybody has a chance to win.
Doesn't get more fair than that.

99.9% of these threads are generated by someone who felt they needed to be gifted a really expensive item that was a viable means for upgrades for the other 5 people in their group.

[Tuljin]

Then 5 year old vets pretend they're new to the box & create glorious threads like this.

FWIW I wouldn't give this dude that much credit. Just because his forum account was made a while back doesn't instantly make him a "veteran."

First of all, the dude was in an LCY full group getting XP as a monk and not duoing or smaller grouping somewhere with better XP that isn't KC. Second, he didn't drop group and solo the mob with the TStaff and take it for himself. Third, he didn't offer the group members cash to take the item himself. I understand not everyone is rolling in plat but if he was really a "veteran" he would probably have some plat to throw around and for example offered each group member 3k each and got the staff for himself. Some neckbeard diplomacy could have easily gone a long way here.

There are plenty of people here who play for a very long time and don't hit 60 for a very long time, if ever. Goes to show you how much things like Chardok AOE have totally skewed the path to 60 on this server and who is really a "veteran" and who is really a "nub." You can play for years and still be a "nub." On P99 you can get multiple characters to 60 and still be a "nub."

This whole debacle screams "nub" any way you dissect it.

[nyclin]

OP would probably be surprised to find out that a lot of people on this server are awesome and are totally willing to cut you a sweetheart deal on the item they just won, as long as you aren't a dick about things

[iruinedyourday]

Theres nothing I hate more than the attitude of a casual who wins a cloak of flames or something before their first toon is even level 60.

fuck that shit.

[Cecily]

I'm hoping I'm gonna win that CoF from the server chat thread.

[Crawdad]

that about summarizes venerate. avoid in the future, it's a trash guild.

Only guild I've ever had a problem with. Every one I've met is an asshole.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm hoping I'm gonna win that CoF from the server chat thread.

This is Cecily.
Cecily likes killing guards for small amounts of plat in remote locations.
Cecily does not ask for any help and seems to have fun doing her thing.
Cecily works hard.
Be like Cecily.

[slappytwotoes]

I'm hoping I'm gonna win that CoF from the server chat thread.

And the AoN too!

[Diogene]

Disgusting thread that put shame on the community here. OP clearly shows signs of mental distress and all we can read is a continuous flow of hate. What for exactly ? Can we just agree in a civilised manner OP was wrong not to speak up his mind while the group was rolling the item ? It would have surely solved most of the shit, people here are usually pretty generous when one knows how to speak...
To the OP now : don't assume people can read your mind or know your natural generosity, especially in a random group. Talk more, hope less... And you'll be good next time.

[Cecily]

Precisely why I was trying to take it easy on him. I feel sympathy for him. Really just need to let this blow over and everyone will forget in a week or so. Bump.

[iruinedyourday]

Disgusting thread that put shame on the community here. OP clearly shows signs of mental distress and all we can read is a continuous flow of hate. What for exactly ? Can we just agree in a civilised manner OP was wrong not to speak up his mind while the group was rolling the item ? It would have surely solved most of the shit, people here are usually pretty generous when one knows how to speak...
To the OP now : don't assume people can read your mind or know your natural generosity, especially in a random group. Talk more, hope less... And you'll be good next time.

So pass on items to retards and degenerates & let their opinions shape our community.. Got it.

Nope

[Troxx]

So pass on items to retards and degenerates & let their opinions shape our community.. Got it.

Nope

+1

[Diogene]

So pass on items to retards and degenerates & let their opinions shape our community.. Got it.

Nope

This guy is not a retard or inbread or whatever names you call him... He just need little help and not hate. Also, please re-read my post, I wasnt saying this.

[iruinedyourday]

This guy is not a retard or inbread or whatever names you call him... He just need little help and not hate. Also, please re-read my post, I wasnt saying this.

OP clearly shows signs of mental distress and all we can read is a continuous flow of hate.

[Troxx]

If he had spoken up the group still would have said hell no. He still one have ninja looted it. He still would have failed to turn it over. He would still be banned. He still would have made this thread and demonstrated his glorious insanity.

Seriously, you can watch him unravel yourself:

http://m.imgur.com/a/2Ua04

He's flips out like a 12 year old and calls the rightful winner a cunt.

[Krycek]

T-staff's are a rogues best friend. I won one and it paid for my epic mq back when both sold for around 50k.

[Monty405]

Can I have you stuff op?

I'm not a monk nor do I want one - but I can sell it in EC.

[Dest]

In Kayyte's defense, she does drink $1 cans of malt liquor. JS

[skipdog]

Haha, people like OP are the worst kinds of online gamers.

The absolute worst.

[Troxx]

T-staff's are a rogues best friend. I won one and it paid for my epic mq back when both sold for around 50k.

The one I won while playing my monk financed my shaman's fungi.

I owned it for maybe 2 weeks before I sold it. I'd feel bad about it, but instead of insisting I get an unfair advantage on a pricey item when it dropped, I was the first to tell the group "everybody roll em up!".

You win some. You statistically lose 5x more than you win. Great items (some you can equip and use ... some you can't) will slip through your fingers and into someone else's hand. It sucks when that happens, but eventually, you get your fair share.

[iruinedyourday]

If he had spoken up the group still would have said hell no. He still one have ninja looted it. He still would have failed to turn it over. He would still be banned. He still would have made this thread and demonstrated his glorious insanity.

Seriously, you can watch him unravel yourself:

http://m.imgur.com/a/2Ua04

He's flips out like a 12 year old and calls the rightful winner a cunt.

this thread is so good

[Pokesan]

when a community celebrates greed, ninjalooting is a revolutionary act

[Taysh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxHisZD5X7Q

[Taysh]

this thread is so good

I called her a cunt because she was the group leader and it was up to her to NBG or GBN.
Now, let me also call you a cunt for throwing fuel on the fire after it settled down, and I apologized even though I didn't agree, and when i did roll, I thought I won, I did not see the first roll due to spam, I did not scroll up high enough. Now with that being said, you sir, are the biggest cunt of them all! HAve a great day fucboiiiiii LMAO

[iruinedyourday]

Now, let me also call you a cunt for throwing fuel on the fire after it settled down

the internet is forever.

[Taysh]

That's cus that's like 5 k and a pain for the seller. And would be silly.

What these forums don't understand is most of the time players operate under the direction of common sense.

Then 5 year old vets pretend they're new to the box & create glorious threads like this.

Maybe your mind isn't big enough to realize, just because I signed up on the forums 5 years ago, does not mean I was in game for 5 years. My highest char is 54...Does it take 5 years to get to 54? Lol. You are a moron, and look at your name, you are a negative person to the core, and probably a part time troll.

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/30/article-0-19BAB1D500000578-338_634x578.jpg

[Taysh]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/30/article-0-19BAB1D500000578-338_634x578.jpg

Sorry I don't click links form fucboiiiii's hahahahah. Checkmate GL. Will never pay you another moment of my time.

[Spyder73]

I called her a cunt because she was the group leader and it was up to her to NBG or GBN.
Now, let me also call you a cunt for throwing fuel on the fire after it settled down, and I apologized even though I didn't agree, and when i did roll, I thought I won, I did not see the first roll due to spam, I did not scroll up high enough. Now with that being said, you sir, are the biggest cunt of them all! HAve a great day fucboiiiiii LMAO

Iruinedyourday is the biggest c#nt on the forums - you got that part right at least.

I feel dirty even typing that word, why on earth is that your go to? What happened to a-hole or s-head?

[Troxx]

http://m.imgur.com/a/2Ua04

Revisionist history doesn't work. You flipped your shit very clearly after you found out you didn't win. You also didn't hand it over; you petitioned (lol??). The whole group was telling you to hand over the item to the rightful owner. GM showed up and you still didn't.

In summary:

You ninja looted it.
You lost the roll.
You called the winner a cunt after you realized you lost.
You refused to hand it over.
You petitioned (lol??).
GM shows up.
You still didn't hand it over.
You got banned.
You made this thread.
You made a retard of yourself.
Lulz were had.
Backtrack and revisionist history didn't fly.
Halfassed apology was halfassed.

Good backfire thread.

Where will this go next?

Macequest?

[iruinedyourday]

Iruinedyourday is the biggest c#nt on the forums - you got that part right at least.

http://i.imgur.com/wGvqHj8.gif

[Pokesan]

spyder do a RP where the OP has been beaten unconscious and all the weak little pussies come by to give him a smack while he's helpless

thanks

[Spyder73]

spyder do a RP where the OP has been beaten unconscious and all the weak little pussies come by to give him a smack while he's helpless

thanks

As consciousness returned to OP, he was only vaguely aware of his surroundings. “Where am I?” he thought.

OP glanced about the room and hung his head in shame. Nothing of his situation had changed and he remembered all too clearly where he was now.

Nude, covered in feces, urine, and sharpie marker, OP was still tied to the metal bed frame, and IRYD was still sitting on his stool with the controls to the electrical current in hand.

“Where is the Tranquil Staff” IRYD asked again

“I told you I don….” OP was cut off as electricity jolted through his groin and up into his brain.

He spasmed uncontrollably as the electricity coursed through him, soiling himself for at least the 5th time.

He was at his breaking point, no man could endure this barrage of cruelty.

“I don’t know how many times I have to tell you, it’s a monk only item. Why should an epic rogue who obvious…” The current picked up again. Darkness engulfed OPs mind.

As IRYD paraded OP’s corpse through the basement of neck beards, all stood silent - fedoras held over their hearts, faces glistening with sweat.

“Sacrifice him to the retarded god” Filbus said as he returned his fedora to his head.

“Hit him with the electricity again” Kekephee squealed, the neck hole of his sweater obviously ruined due to obese neck syndrome.

“Berate him with the same arguments over and over” Troxx crooned.

“Call him a cuck again!” Monty screamed.

Suddenly the door burst open. The nerds in the room all grimaced as Tekilya Wu’Tang strolled into the room, muscled rippling through his tank top

“Ok f@ggots, enough of this sh!t” Tek said, “let the man die in peace”

And with that, Tekilya took OP’s corpse and gave him a proper burial. At the funeral he met OP’s wife and banged her in the restroom. The End.

[mjbcb0717]

That's some pure savagery

[Xaanka]

gug try :D

your a real dumb ass

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.imgur.com/u51U40V.gif

[Kaight]

In Kayyte's defense, she does drink $1 cans of malt liquor. JS

$1.25, thank you very much

Kayyte

[Taysh]

$1.25, thank you very much

Kayyte

They get you the staff?

[Taysh]

http://i.imgur.com/wGvqHj8.gif

pahahahaha

[Taysh]

You should really get out more :D

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.imgur.com/xrjxnYy.png

[Taysh]

http://i.imgur.com/xrjxnYy.png

Are you implying that being roasted by a bunch of random people on a free 17 year old game is supposed to bother me?

The only thing that bothered me was I lost a T-Staff, which I got over the morning after, but I realize your problems run way deeper than that, and you are searching for any kind of attention and glory you can salvage off a forum. LOL. How many times must I put you back in the coffin? Just quietly go!

[iruinedyourday]

no was talkn bout myself but nice projecting.

[Taysh]

no was talkn bout myself but nice projecting.

I see what you did there.

[AzzarTheGod]

“Ok f@ggots, enough of this sh!t” Tek said, “let the man die in peace”

And with that, Tekilya took OP’s corpse and gave him a proper burial. At the funeral he met OP’s wife and banged her in the restroom. The End.

Tek, box hero, his abs rippling, he stood strong.