What exactly is Boxing?

[Ashimar]

The real question is, how does "Boxing" affect the average, casual
Project 99 player? Reports of others "Boxing" has had no effect on me whatsoever so im curious as to how it will affect others. Thanks.

[Spewys]

This thread should get mixed results. Standby Ashimar for this one... I am sort of in agreement with you and I don't do it.....

[Messianic]

Always search/google before you post.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2738&highlight=boxing
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=407&highlight=boxing

This has been beaten to death.

[Ashimar]

Your attempts at showing me how boxxing affects the average, casual P99
player are not met with success.

[azeth]

2 box duo locks down Lord/FG for weeks straight with 0 risk (enc/nec for example) and now controls your Yak/FBSS price baselines <- thats how



though I believe you're of the sentiment that WARS USE EXE AXE

[Ashimar]

2 box duo locks down Lord/FG for weeks straight with 0 risk (enc/nec for example) and now controls your Yak/FBSS price baselines <- thats how

though I believe you're of the sentiment that WARS USE EXE AXE

Yeah, that makes sense. Actually, i use the EXE AXE until it procs then switch
to the SSOY, because i do not have a haste item yet.

[Crone]

People don't realize how messed up everything would be if boxing was allowed. You think oh, it's not that big of a deal, I'm not effected by it now... well duh, it's not allowed, and if you have seen any of it, it's been very small numbers.

Having every zone, every camp, every spawn camped by boxers, when it's already camped by non boxers, would get very frustrating.

[Messianic]

Your attempts at showing me how boxxing affects the average, casual P99
player are not met with success.

If you actually read the 10+ page threads on which people spent a lot of time, you'd see the same arguments you're going to get here. My guess is you didn't read those posts or any other already argued posts, or you'd have something more constructive to say.

It's clear that boxing affects the environment of the server, per Nilbog and a vast majority of the server. That's enough for them to keep it banned. If people can box, it's going to preclude a large population of people from participating in normal social interaction or grouping. It's just an obvious fact for those involved with this server and who have observed other private servers allow it.

Don't make the silly assumption that you're the first person to think "I can't think of a reason it affects me, so therefore it probably doesn't, and I won't change unless someone beats me with the facts for days on end, which isn't worth their time."

Either be intellectually honest and read the detailed arguments already put forth about it or don't bother asking. If you do, you're just proving you don't really care about getting an answer, you just feel like you should be able to box and that's all that matters to you.

[Spewys]

Hmmmm....Crone has a point on that....Places are way overcrowded now and if you add an extra box for everyone it would be ubber boring...

[ownrage]

Also, add in the factor that there's monthly payment for this server...everyone will box.

[Ashimar]

If you actually read the 10+ page threads on which people spent a lot of time, you'd see the same arguments you're going to get here. My guess is you didn't read those posts or any other already argued posts, or you'd have something more constructive to say.

It's clear that boxing affects the environment of the server, per Nilbog and a vast majority of the server. That's enough for them to keep it banned. If people can box, it's going to preclude a large population of people from participating in normal social interaction or grouping. It's just an obvious fact for those involved with this server and who have observed other private servers allow it.

Don't make the silly assumption that you're the first person to think "I can't think of a reason it affects me, so therefore it probably doesn't, and I won't change unless someone beats me with the facts for days on end, which isn't worth their time."

Either be intellectually honest and read the detailed arguments already put forth about it or don't bother asking. If you do, you're just proving you don't really care about getting an answer, you just feel like you should be able to box and that's all that matters to you.

Sorry if im getting to the point and asking for a Straight forward answer
(Azareth has already provided) instead of pillaging through 10 pages of
people bickering back and forth. And i dont BOX dammit! my computer isnt good enough for the task.

[Kassel]

If boxing was permitted, no one would ever group with an ex-axe wielding warrior.

[Maurk]

N00b: HEY THAT WARRIOR AND DRUID NEVER MOVE AT THE SAME TIME!!!
NeWb: OMG I KNOW!!!
N00b: ZOMG REPORTED!!!!! THE DEVS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO ANYWAYS.
NeWb: NP. I TOOK A PEEKTURE, SO NOW WE TAKE THEIR MOB?
N00b: ONLY FOR THE LULZ. LOL

It's how it goes down, every time.

[Messianic]

Sorry if im getting to the point and asking for a Straight forward answer
(Azeth has already provided) instead of pillaging through 10 pages of
people bickering back and forth. And i dont BOX dammit! my computer isnt good enough for the task.

I fixed his name for you ;)

And if you took his word for it and immediately understood why boxing would harm the server given his examples, you're probably the rare person who doesn't want to argue it into the ground with silly theoretical reasons...so don't blame me for cutting to the chase ;)

I was able to two-box on WoW with my laptop (as long as I kept one of them minimized, which seriously reduced my video lag), which is 4 years old, so my bet is it doesn't take much of a cpu to be able to do that.

[Scrooge]

2 box duo locks down Lord/FG for weeks straight with 0 risk (enc/nec for example)

People actually box that kind of duo?

[Spewys]

2 Boxing = SUPER NERD

[Henini]

EQ Live is pretty much ruined because of boxing.

if you don't box, you can barely exp if your not a solo class. because everyone else is boxing and not interested in grouping. they can just invis to a camp with their pocket shm or whatever it is they are carrying around and exp/camp there.

Specially now with merc, 2 box ends up having a tank and a cleric merc. So, if you are playing a dps and a shm, it's uber easy to take any camp.

Of course, EQ Live want you to box so you give em more money.

Here it's different, and it's why it's so nice. you can group, you can get camps... you can play the game instead of logging on and going lfg for hours thinking it sucks and you can't do anything.

try making a noob rogue or something on live, see how fast you can catch up to the average player now. with like 85 levels and 2000+ aa's...
ramp up will be at least a year if not more.

trying to get up to par on gear when you can't camp it solo and can't get a group makes it impossible.


this should give you an idea of how things eventually degenerate when multi boxing is allowed.

Of course here, the world is much smaller, we aren't 234234 expansions in. so it would be much worst, as getting camps would be simply impossible.

[Spewys]

Never played live but my g-friend did and she said it sucked just for all the reason you just stated. I for sure would not want to run around LFG all night. Solo = Corpse and low XP.

[Japan]

EQ Live is pretty much ruined because of boxing.

if you don't box, you can barely exp if your not a solo class.
try making a noob rogue or something on live, see how fast you can catch up to the average player now. with like 85 levels and 2000+ aa's...
ramp up will be at least a year if not more.


it takes about a week to hit level cap on any class in EQ. You can make 50 AAs a day easily. Live sucks, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Ashimar]

If boxing was permitted, no one would ever group with an ex-axe wielding warrior.

Or anyone else for that matter.

[zebin]

Boxing

– verb

1 -- To play multiple characters at once.

2 -- To completely miss the point of a MMORPG. That’s Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game, not Massively Singleplayer Online Game.

3 – An action that, if allowed to flourish, kills the community in an online game.

[Darklake]

2 -- To completely miss the point of a MMORPG. That’s Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game, not Massively Singleplayer Online Game.

By the same reckoning, are those who don't role play completely missing the point too?

[Ihealyou]

We're roleplaying people playing eq in 1999 obv

[Hasbinbad]

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p311/ninjaslipper/wow-36box2-1.jpg

[Seaweedpimp]

woooooooooow

no pun intended. tho that does look like wow.

[zebin]

By the same reckoning, are those who don't role play completely missing the point too?

Yeah, I think they are.

I lot of what made EQ fun back in the day was the people you met. Most weren’t hard core role players, but they would at least make some effort to act like they were in Norrath. Dwarves used to slam in-game alcohol, the high-elves would act uppity and snobbish, druids and rangers refused to kill animals, trolls and ogres used to talk in “fatty-speak”. Not everyone did this, but it was common enough. It added a lot of flavor and fun to the world.

You take that away, and this game is really just a slow paced version of whack-a-mole with a random number generator. The combat systems in EQ aren’t challenging. Auto-attack plus two hotkeys gets old fast. Sitting on your butt for 5 minutes to regen mana is boring.

The devs here have done a pretty good job at re-creating the world. Too bad they can’t attract more fun players, instead of the obsessive ones.

[Scrooge]

I lot of what made EQ fun back in the day was the people you met. Most weren’t hard core role players, but they would at least make some effort to act like they were in Norrath. Dwarves used to slam in-game alcohol, the high-elves would act uppity and snobbish, druids and rangers refused to kill animals, trolls and ogres used to talk in “fatty-speak”. Not everyone did this, but it was common enough. It added a lot of flavor and fun to the world.

You take that away, and this game is really just a slow paced version of whack-a-mole with a random number generator. The combat systems in EQ aren’t challenging. Auto-attack plus two hotkeys gets old fast. Sitting on your butt for 5 minutes to regen mana is boring.

The devs here have done a pretty good job at re-creating the world. Too bad they can’t attract more fun players, instead of the obsessive ones.

They're out there!

[tnyadno]

Sure let them allow boxing, than we can all run around with a group auto folllowing ourselves.

[Messianic]

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p311/ninjaslipper/wow-36box2-1.jpg

AWESOME

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Yeah, I think they are.

I lot of what made EQ fun back in the day was the people you met. Most weren’t hard core role players, but they would at least make some effort to act like they were in Norrath. Dwarves used to slam in-game alcohol, the high-elves would act uppity and snobbish, druids and rangers refused to kill animals, trolls and ogres used to talk in “fatty-speak”. Not everyone did this, but it was common enough. It added a lot of flavor and fun to the world.

You take that away, and this game is really just a slow paced version of whack-a-mole with a random number generator. The combat systems in EQ aren’t challenging. Auto-attack plus two hotkeys gets old fast. Sitting on your butt for 5 minutes to regen mana is boring.

The devs here have done a pretty good job at re-creating the world. Too bad they can’t attract more fun players, instead of the obsessive ones.

Well said. You don't need to be a role playing fanatic, but we have a lot of power gamers who are obsessed with being on top. I like being high end too, but never at the sacrifice of enjoyment. But you can't judge or slam someone for enjoying the game their way, even if it is obsessive powergaming. When that style impedes on others enjoying the game though.. is when it becomes an issue for me.

You will find when most of these people...grow up? Or mature to a point they will understand. I don't mean it in a negative way, we all mature at different rates in different ways in life, sooner or later most realize they miss the interaction, and camaraderie, not the loot. To this day I don't remember players from my first eq server, Tunare for the loot they received... but for their actions and reputation in game. And some, the forums.

Take it from someone who knows, going from obsessive power gamer to casual, over decades in the making. Loot comes and goes. Don't be in a rush to get 50, or 60, and get to the raids, and get this loot and and and etc etc etc. Just like life, it isn't a race, the journey can be infinitely more enjoyable without the blinders.

But that be said, play the game your way as long as it doesn't interfere with other peoples' enjoyment of the game.

[Ronas]

Yah not bad, thinking if i should arrange 20 lappy with EmuEQ on em and photo too..

[Daldaen]

Boxing is fun to do on EQ Live so you don't have to deal with tardboats who can't figure out how to cast invisibility or look at a map to get from point A to point B. But on a server with healthy population / a relatively competent player base... it isn't really necessary.

Here, people are more competent than the standard player you would meet in EQ Live today. Population is decent also. So it really isn't 'necessary'.

I would like it personally just for transferring gear (I Haz No Friends).

It would probably have an impact on the raid game also, but lets be honest a lot of people who 'track' Naggy or Vox have at some point been a 2ndary box character probably not even a tracker just an outside program that is better than track. So its effect there would be minimal (go go lots of cleric boxes though $$$)

People who perma camp shit are way worse than boxers though (Until boxers turn into those perma campers). Went into LGuk today to find (as usual) Frenzy, AMV, and Lord all camped by individual characters. I liked the days when these were group camps not a level 50 Necromancer or level 50 Enchanter 'camps'. Imo I should have the right to train you if you are soloing those camps and let an actual exp group get in there of level 40s who might actually score an upgrade from the camp.

[Lazortag]

People who perma camp shit are way worse than boxers though (Until boxers turn into those perma campers). Went into LGuk today to find (as usual) Frenzy, AMV, and Lord all camped by individual characters. I liked the days when these were group camps not a level 50 Necromancer or level 50 Enchanter 'camps'. Imo I should have the right to train you if you are soloing those camps and let an actual exp group get in there of level 40s who might actually score an upgrade from the camp.

except it's perfectly legitimate by any reasonable standard for a person to be able to camp an item if they're able to. People in their 40's have plenty of other exp spots to go to. If you're concerned about loot, wait till you're level 50 and farm like the rest.

[Messianic]

tardboats

Never heard that one. I like it.

I would like it personally just for transferring gear (I Haz No Friends).

So true

[Nakara]

Here, people are more competent than the standard player you would meet in EQ Live today.


not even close. maybe than the standard player you would have met on live in 99.

[Daldaen]

not even close. maybe than the standard player you would have met on live in 99.

Lol, trust me. Log onto EQ Live right now. If you give them a map and a line on it drawn from Point A to Point B avoiding any see invisible mobs, they will still die on the way and not due to invisibility dropping. Most of them are just fucking retarded.

[Daldaen]

except it's perfectly legitimate by any reasonable standard for a person to be able to camp an item if they're able to. People in their 40's have plenty of other exp spots to go to. If you're concerned about loot, wait till you're level 50 and farm like the rest.

Its legitimate, but not classic in the least. Those camps were always held by full groups back in the day. Yes because we knew less back then etc. etc. etc. But it is kind of a pita to know that I will never get a chance to do that camp because I'm not a necromancer or enchanter.

I *probably* could solo it as a druid given I could IVU down there, but I would MUCH prefer grouping that content because those are the fabled camps of the era...

Frenzied
Lord
King
AMV
Efreeti
Royals

The last one is grouped... the rest are basically always camped by a solo /anon Enchanter / Necro. As I said earlier, if it weren't against the rules I would train these fuckers out or debuff their pets/charmed pets or break their mezzes so they stop being little fuckers camping shit for purely $$$ and let actual groups get in there and have potential shots at getting SSoY's for their non twink warrior or FBSS's for their non twink rogue etc.

But I digress, this server can never truely be a replica of the Classic experience, but I can wish :)

[Humerox]

There was some momentum at one time for making a camper give a camp up if a group arrived that could gain xp from the camp.

[Yak]

Boxing is when you use the head of a Troll on these forums to release stress. Really Ashimar have the a ball to post on these forums after trolling about the warrior posts. This is so worth reading again!

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22090

[Ashimar]

Boxing is when you use the head of a Troll on these forums to release stress. Really Ashimar have the a ball to post on these forums after trolling about the warrior posts. This is so worth reading again!

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22090


1. Stop using refrences from video games, such as "Trolls" from Everquest
that have nothing to do with posting in general. Calling you a Retard, or
discussing my dislikeness for things is called FLAMING.

2. I've looked over many of your posts, most of them are either trying
to put me down, or offer any insight into how your lack of a high school education can possibly help other players resolve problems in Project 99.

3. If its worth reading again, BUMP it for me.

[Scrooge]

except it's perfectly legitimate by any reasonable standard for a person to be able to camp an item if they're able to. People in their 40's have plenty of other exp spots to go to. If you're concerned about loot, wait till you're level 50 and farm like the rest.

Why back in my day, we got our loot as we leveled! What's with all the "farming this" and "farming that"...all we got are farmers now.

[Bojangles]

Yeah, that makes sense. Actually, i use the EXE AXE until it procs then switch
to the SSOY, because i do not have a haste item yet.

what does exe proc have to do with whether you have a haste item or not? I bet the answer is related to why you use an exe axe in the first place.

[Yak]

1. Stop using refrences from video games, such as "Trolls" from Everquest
that have nothing to do with posting in general. Calling you a Retard, or
discussing my dislikeness for things is called FLAMING.

2. I've looked over many of your posts, most of them are either trying
to put me down, or offer any insight into how your lack of a high school education can possibly help other players resolve problems in Project 99.

3. If its worth reading again, BUMP it for me.

Actually, you are doing this all to yourself. The more you post the bigger hole you dig for your self.

http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/facepalm14.jpg

[moebius8]

it takes about a week to hit level cap on any class in EQ. You can make 50 AAs a day easily. Live sucks, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

you can easily molo a shaman up to cap +1200 aa in two months of semi hardcore play time. I know this as fact because i just hit 1200 aa then realized i was bored as hell and reloaded my titanium set discs.

the only non raid toy of any note that i skipped was the epic 2.0 if that matters.

[Redriot]

Boxing is Manny Pacquiao gangraping floyd mayweather

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID10947/images/Mayweather-Cherry-Picker_%281%29.jpg