Why are so many threads like this? [Archive]

Swish

12-24-2015, 02:13 AM

I was about to type it all out again but honestly whats good about a guild that shuns the community, zergs content hard (pretends they don't) and adjusts a "casual" rotation so they get 1 in 3 of every mob, zerged down with ~80-90 people?

Not much good about that. Recruitment open though, join the pixel lines today.

I expect my usual fans to post below about how they only raid with 15-20 people in Velious and expect that to stick... lol.

Phantasm

12-24-2015, 02:46 AM

Swish you should see a doctor

your bda erection has lasted for like 4 years

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 02:47 AM

Almost forgot to upboat your thread.

My apologies, Keeper of the Tome.

Filthy_Pagan

12-24-2015, 10:53 AM

Think nothing of it, brother. You were distracted by the radiant majesty of his most Retarded holiness.

Was Swish in BDA at some point? Why is he so obsessed?

Monty405

12-24-2015, 11:14 AM

Think nothing of it, brother. You were distracted by the radiant majesty of his most Retarded holiness.

Was Swish in BDA at some point? Why is he so obsessed?

He wants BDA to move to red, much like TMO attempted to.

quido

12-24-2015, 11:18 AM

It's completely normal to be of the opinion that BDA is full of retards.

Filthy_Pagan

12-24-2015, 11:27 AM

It's completely normal to be of the opinion that BDA is full of retards.

Yes but why?

That's my question. I feel like I can't properly mock them until I understand why. Tell me of their sins.

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 12:04 PM

I expect my usual fans to post below about how they only raid with 15-20 people in Velious and expect that to stick... lol.

If you played Everquest you would have an accurate estimate of how many players BDA fields on the average raid. But unfortunately u do not play Everquest and just browse P99 forums all day long at the library. Hard to get an accurate idea of whats going on in-game from the forums in my experience.

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 12:08 PM

Yes but why?

That's my question. I feel like I can't properly mock them until I understand why. Tell me of their sins.

As I understand it. Swish blames solely BDA for breaking the Class R rotation and has stuck to his guns on that completely false idea for quite a while now and since he posts ~500 times a day or so about it he's gotten a few people to actually believe him. Others saw ~100 person BDA raids the first couple days of Velious and concluded that we're a zerg guild and chooses to completely ignore the fact that we haven't had more than like 50 ppl on an avg raid in months.

TL;DR The BDA hate is mostly fake RNF nonsense

Spyder73

12-24-2015, 12:09 PM

Think nothing of it, brother. You were distracted by the radiant majesty of his most Retarded holiness.

Was Swish in BDA at some point? Why is he so obsessed?

Swish was in <Europa> with all the other filthy Sweeds

Has a level 60 cleric and a 55 SK if I remember correctly. With how bad he is at FQ you would think he sucked at EQ also, but he was actually quite serviceable as a tank and rez -bot.

Spyder73

12-24-2015, 12:20 PM

As I understand it. Swish blames solely BDA for breaking the Class R rotation and has stuck to his guns on that completely false idea for quite a while now and since he posts ~500 times a day or so about it he's gotten a few people to actually believe him. Others saw ~100 person BDA raids the first couple days of Velious and concluded that we're a zerg guild and chooses to completely ignore the fact that we haven't had more than like 50 ppl on an avg raid in months.

TL;DR The BDA hate is mostly fake RNF nonsense

BDA and Taken conspired to destroy the rotation because you guys were obviously class C, yet refused to move up because you are cucks and afraid of competition from other C guilds. Guilds Like Asgard and Azure Guard were getting kills with low numbers and would have to occasionally team up to get proper numbers for certain mobs and your pathetic sense of entitlement would not allow you to let this happen because "doesn't matter, need pixels", so you f#cked the rotation for everyone. BDA is a DIRECT cause of the rotation, stop with the spin control, EVERYONE KNOWS

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 12:26 PM

BDA and Taken conspired to destroy the rotation because you guys were obviously class C, yet refused to move up because you are cucks and afraid of competition from other C guilds. Guilds Like Asgard and Azure Guard were getting kills with low numbers and would have to occasionally team up to get proper numbers for certain mobs and your pathetic sense of entitlement would not allow you to let this happen because "doesn't matter, need pixels", so you f#cked the rotation for everyone. BDA is a DIRECT cause of the rotation, stop with the spin control, EVERYONE KNOWS

Know what else everyone knows? That with Velious staff was forcing the removal of the class system and thus putting a gigantic nail in the coffin of the rotation. If you think the rotation was going to survive without a class system to back it up you're dumber than I thought you were (and I think you're pretty fuckin dumb)

So what exactly is the point of all the outrage? That BDA and some other guilds decided to give up on it a little early?

Spyder73

12-24-2015, 12:29 PM

Im not argueing about the rotation again, you guys are worthless sacks of sh!t for destroying it and i'll leave it at that

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 12:51 PM

Im not argueing about the rotation again, you guys are worthless sacks of sh!t for destroying it and i'll leave it at that

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ArumTP

12-24-2015, 12:53 PM

So what exactly is the point of all the outrage? That BDA and some other guilds decided to give up on it a little early?

Your guild created this C/R system and rotations within the R system. When the pool of loot available became much less than what you hoped it would be. Rather than moving onto C where there was unlimited loot availability, you opted to crush casual guilds. BDA/Taken were quite transparently C class guilds operating in R. Even at one time BDA ended up in C, opted to not kill any targets for 2 weeks just to get back into R.

Calling it something like ending this R-rotation a little early is a bit deceptive. It was ended 8 months early, when there was no clear launch date for velious. There was no indication either if there was going to be a class system or not until velious actually launched. I recall one weak ass excuse that BDA was doing this to prepare the casual guilds on how this was going to be in velious, to train them into being better raiders or something~

Spyder73

12-24-2015, 12:58 PM

Pras High Priest Arum - preaching the truth in RnF

Ravager

12-24-2015, 01:03 PM

Filthy_Pagan

12-24-2015, 01:09 PM

As I understand it. Swish blames solely BDA for breaking the Class R rotation and has stuck to his guns on that completely false idea for quite a while now and since he posts ~500 times a day or so about it he's gotten a few people to actually believe him. Others saw ~100 person BDA raids the first couple days of Velious and concluded that we're a zerg guild and chooses to completely ignore the fact that we haven't had more than like 50 ppl on an avg raid in months.

TL;DR The BDA hate is mostly fake RNF nonsense

So why DID you guys break the rotation? Not that I think a rotation is a healthy way to handle raids or competition.

Swish was in <Europa> with all the other filthy Sweeds

Has a level 60 cleric and a 55 SK if I remember correctly. With how bad he is at FQ you would think he sucked at EQ also, but he was actually quite serviceable as a tank and rez -bot.

/autoattack click mallet

Expert tank

Ravager

12-24-2015, 01:13 PM

So why DID you guys break the rotation? Not that I think a rotation is a healthy way to handle raids or competition.

/autoattack click mallet

Expert tank

Horse is dead. Believe what you want or reread it all as it was posted last year. Just ignore all of the Swish posts if you want to read any facts. That's still good advice moving forward too.

Filthy_Pagan

12-24-2015, 01:16 PM

Horse is dead. Believe what you want or reread it all as it was posted last year. Just ignore all of the Swish posts if you want to read any facts. That's still good advice moving forward too.

Dont read anything to get facts

BDA confirmed server killer cult

indiscriminate_hater

12-24-2015, 01:19 PM

Your guild created this C/R system and rotations within the R system. When the pool of loot available became much less than what you hoped it would be. Rather than moving onto C where there was unlimited loot availability, you opted to crush casual guilds. BDA/Taken were quite transparently C class guilds operating in R. Even at one time BDA ended up in C, opted to not kill any targets for 2 weeks just to get back into R.

Calling it something like ending this R-rotation a little early is a bit deceptive. It was ended 8 months early, when there was no clear launch date for velious. There was no indication either if there was going to be a class system or not until velious actually launched. I recall one weak ass excuse that BDA was doing this to prepare the casual guilds on how this was going to be in velious, to train them into being better raiders or something~

no response from the talking heads on this one. goddamn. the truth hurts

Ravager

12-24-2015, 01:20 PM

Dont read anything to get facts

BDA confirmed server killer cult

Fair enough.

Swish

12-24-2015, 01:39 PM

You may as well type it all out again. It's not like you've got anything else to do with yourself, and you're not kidding anyone otherwise.

Merry Christmas Ravager <3

Lieslana

12-24-2015, 02:19 PM

You guys (most) live in the past. Whatever happened , you still cry. If that was not this, it would be that.

But I wish you a merry , merry Christmas and an happy new years.

Filthy_Pagan

12-24-2015, 02:41 PM

Dont you come into my thread with that mature attitude bullshit this is serious

...Merry christmas

Ravager

12-24-2015, 03:29 PM

Sorry, BDA is ending Christmas.

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 03:52 PM

Lol so it's no longer "BDA didn't destroy the rotation", now it's "it was going to go away anyway so we destroyed it a little bit earlier" lol great job ass hat

So what exactly is the point of all the outrage? That BDA and some other guilds decided to give up on it a little early?

It was strongly suggested on Sirkens stream that the class system was going away in Velious long before the rotation was dropped. It was common knowledge that Velious was coming soon. /shrug I really don't understand the outrage.

Keep being mad about puppets and projecting it onto other dumb bullshit tho Nixxar.

Oleris

12-24-2015, 04:01 PM

It was strongly suggested on Sirkens stream that the class system was going away in Velious long before the rotation was dropped. It was common knowledge that Velious was coming soon. /shrug I really don't understand the outrage.

Keep being mad about puppets and projecting it onto other dumb bullshit tho Nixxar.

happened 9 months before velious dropped.

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 04:03 PM

Keep deflecting and changing your answer kid. There are current threads up where you claim BDA had nothing to do with stopping the rotation. Yet now you are blatantly changing your story. How pathetic

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Pokesan

12-24-2015, 04:07 PM

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/1992/2118102-puppets3hm2.jpg

http://www.war-gamer.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/324df46b6436-xl.jpg

I wouldn't use Chest stealing someones camp as your rebuttal, champ.

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 04:36 PM

None of which even matters as you just acknowledged that BDA was responsible for the end of the rotation. Your excuse was "it is ending anyway" lol what a bunch of pathetic cucks

False. I've said multiple times now that several guilds were involved. No 1 guild "broke the rotation" but keep on displaying your excellent reading comprehension skills. Also keep on pretending that the evidence of you being Nixxar doesn't exist. You just happened to have an almost identical username to Nixxar's youtube account and sperg out and nerdrage against BDA just like Nixxar would. Just a buncha coincidences I'm sure.

Wanna know an easy way to end these false allegations against you? Display some proof of who you REALLY are and stop posting on an anon account like a fucking moran. Then you can rub it in my face about how wrong I was and be a RNF hero. Unless you wanna show some evidence otherwise I'll stick to the pretty solid evidence of you being Nixxar.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 04:53 PM

everyone in the world named Bill S is Detoxx.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 04:57 PM

shutup detoxx

Monty405

12-24-2015, 05:00 PM

shutup detoxx

Trolling hard or hardly trolling?

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 05:03 PM

Solid evidence? Have you looked up how many YouTube accounts start with bill? Lmao

Wanna know an easy way to end these false allegations against you? Display some proof of who you REALLY are and stop posting on an anon account like a fucking moran. Then you can rub it in my face about how wrong I was and be a RNF hero. Unless you wanna show some evidence otherwise I'll stick to the pretty solid evidence of you being Nixxar.

ArumTP

12-24-2015, 05:04 PM

It doesn't particularly matter who BillSmith is. Not sure why trying to prove who he is going to help any of BDA's causes. He is still drilling you

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 05:05 PM

It doesn't particularly matter who BillSmith is. Not sure why trying to prove who he is going to help any of BDA's causes. He is still drilling you

LOL he is? News to me

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 05:11 PM

Probably because you have proven yourself to be so dumb, you're unable to comprehend it

Says the guy that has repeatedly shown his reading comprehension levels to be below the avg 8 year old

Whatever u say pal

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 05:13 PM

as P99's greatest detective I hereby declare that Bill Smith is...KEKEPHEE!

I AM #1 ELF INVESTIGATOR, MUHC BETTER THAN jcr4990!

Filthy_Pagan

12-24-2015, 05:58 PM

As proven by what? Your writing skills aren't above a 5th grade level so well within my wheelhouse

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YIKES

Exmo

12-24-2015, 06:38 PM

Not that I really give a shit about the rotation that ended a year ago, but how do you guys who all blame BDA for it, not throw any of the blame towards any of the very small guilds that formed in response to the rotation specifically to claim a spot, which then they dragged other guilds to, so they got more kills?

And BDA was instrumental in the construction of the class system from the beginning, asking Sirken and Rogean to intervene. Hell, Anichek spent hundreds of hours working with the other guilds to try to work out solutions, even at the end of the rotation. When it finally ended, I believe a lot of the root cause was that All the Smaller guilds wanted to not lose their turn when they couldn't field a force, but still keep separate spots in line when they could, Be able to combine and uncombine at will and still each have their own spot on every mob's rotation. It was just silly. Basically, All those small guilds got loot though the efforts of BDA, and when BDA leadership had enough of the abuse and stopped devoting that level of effort to the class system, it collapsed due to people unwilling to work with BDA on terms that recognized there were differences between guilds that could and couldn't field a kill force.

So all this "BDA Killed he rotation" talk is just inaccurate. BDA Offered to continue the rotation on terms that required guilds to be able to field a force to be on rotation for a specific mob. And that didn't work for a bunch of the small guilds who wanted to form at will single target alliances so they could get more mobs. So they rejected the deal and broke off Negotiations. Even after BDA Extended the deadline several times.

But I guess this is RNF, and facts don't matter here.

So screw Detoxx (I don't even know you, that's just what people say around here), Chest is a ginger, and Kekphee is a tool.

That is all.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 06:44 PM

Right, BDA decided other guilds were undeserving of pixels, because reasons.

The battle for BDAs soul ended when the rotation fell. Tiggles won.

arsenalpow

12-24-2015, 06:44 PM

I am not a fucking ginger!! That shit needs to stop.

Exmo

12-24-2015, 06:46 PM

Right, BDA decided other guilds were undeserving of pixels, because reasons.

The battle for BDAs soul ended when the rotation fell. Tiggles won.

Pretty sure the decision was that guilds were equally entitled to Pixels, not more so because they splintered and carried more than 1 tag to hold multiple places in the rotation. But Good try, Keke.

khanable

12-24-2015, 06:46 PM

met Chest IRL, confided in me he uses just for men to escape gingerism

100% in the closet ginger

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 06:50 PM

Pretty sure the decision was that guilds were equally entitled to Pixels, not more so because they splintered and carried more than 1 tag to hold multiple places in the rotation. But Good try, Keke.

Which guilds splintered? Huh?

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 06:51 PM

Wait, are you referring to Omni, the BDA splinter guild?

Juevento

12-24-2015, 06:57 PM

Wait, are you referring to Omni, the BDA splinter guild?

My Omni alt got so many pixels it was amazing. All the big guilds had alt guilds in the rotation. TMO had Asgard, IB had Indignation, BDA had Omni, Azure Guard had Europa, etc, etc.

ArumTP

12-24-2015, 07:08 PM

Not that I really give a shit about the rotation that ended a When it finally ended, I believe a lot of the root cause was that All the Smaller guilds wanted to not lose their turn when they couldn't field a force, but still keep separate spots in line when they could, Be able to combine and uncombine at will and still each have their own spot on every mob's rotation.[quote]

Yeah and? During this period of time BDA regullary pulled in 2x-3x as many players as the smaller guilds. They were better able to kill mobs in those off hours. BDA's complaint was that their were able to get more shots on a mob, but consistently ignores the fact as a combined force they would as a guild get less loot. BDA kills trakanon, they would get 2 BP, bunch of teeth and spells. Combined guilds would get maybe a tooth or 2, a BP for another, and some spells for another. Yes the guilds were better off as they could consistently get a kill done, but were rewarded for less loot for their efforts.

BDA has always had some type of seething hatred for guilds that work together for loot.

[quote]BDA Offered to continue the rotation on terms that required guilds to be able to field a force to be on rotation for a specific mob. And that didn't work for a bunch of the small guilds who wanted to form at will single target alliances so they could get more mobs. So they rejected the deal and broke off Negotiations. Even after BDA Extended the deadline several times.

We all saw the posting by pint when this all came to light to the server on what those "negotiations" were about. It was a heavily flawed ultimatum joke of a document. Filled with ridiculous tiers, and the ability to kill mobs in off hours when the smaller guilds would likely have nobody online. I explicitly remember that a guild would have to kill gorenaire solo to have a shot at maestro. That document was created just to be rejected by the smaller guilds and make them look like the bad guys.

captnamazing

12-24-2015, 07:14 PM

the ginger finally cracks

Nibblewitz

12-24-2015, 07:21 PM

Yeah and? During this period of time BDA regullary pulled in 2x-3x as many players as the smaller guilds. They were better able to kill mobs in those off hours. BDA's complaint was that their were able to get more shots on a mob, but consistently ignores the fact as a combined force they would as a guild get less loot. BDA kills trakanon, they would get 2 BP, bunch of teeth and spells. Combined guilds would get maybe a tooth or 2, a BP for another, and some spells for another. Yes the guilds were better off as they could consistently get a kill done, but were rewarded for less loot for their efforts.

BDA has always had some type of seething hatred for guilds that work together for loot.

We all saw the posting by pint when this all came to light to the server on what those "negotiations" were about. It was a heavily flawed ultimatum joke of a document. Filled with ridiculous tiers, and the ability to kill mobs in off hours when the smaller guilds would likely have nobody online. I explicitly remember that a guild would have to kill gorenaire solo to have a shot at maestro. That document was created just to be rejected by the smaller guilds and make them look like the bad guys.

And in its final iteration (something Pint didn't show you, wonder why) we decided to just do a test run without tiers and qualifying mobs, but the sticking point was allying for one meant you allied for all. The guilds that were allying and dodging lockouts within the rotation couldn't accept this compromise.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 07:26 PM

I wouldn't call forcing guilds to merge a compromise solution, but I am not in BDA.

Man0warr

12-24-2015, 07:29 PM

They weren't forcing them to merge - just to stick to their alliances.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 07:31 PM

They weren't forcing them to merge - just to stick to their alliances.

Please do not be so literal.

What were the consequences of alliances in terms of pixels?

Nibblewitz

12-24-2015, 07:33 PM

What were the consequences of alliances in terms of pixels?

Within the rotation? One Gorenaire every month, but one VS every 6 months.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 07:36 PM

Within the rotation? One Gorenaire every month, but one VS every 6 months.

I'm asking about the final 'compromise' proposal, not mob names.

Would guilds in an alliance be treated as a single entity in the rotation?

Man0warr

12-24-2015, 07:36 PM

Yeah no one wanted to ally for VS since he's a loot pinata.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 07:38 PM

I urge you to stay on topic. You're about to incur my wrath.

Man0warr

12-24-2015, 07:38 PM

I'm asking about the final 'compromise' proposal, not mob names.

Would guilds in an alliance be treated as a single entity in the rotation?

I believe it was Omni/AG/Europa, although I doubt they would have settled on that configuration if forced.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 07:43 PM

I believe it was Omni/AG/Europa, although I doubt they would have settled on that configuration if forced.

Occupying a single spot in the rotation?

How is that not a merger?

Man0warr

12-24-2015, 07:55 PM

Was FAT a merger? You can still do your own thing as separate guilds.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 08:00 PM

Was FAT a merger? You can still do your own thing as separate guilds.

Not under a rotation.

Nibblewitz

12-24-2015, 08:12 PM

Not under a rotation.

Incorrect. The rotation only accounted for 1/3 of all mobs, and only 1/2 of all mobs available to Class R guilds.

Man0warr

12-24-2015, 08:14 PM

The problem was guilds were waiting until after the 3 hour? lockout period and then allying together to kill mobs like Trakanon and Gore - that way they could help each other when the allied guild came up on their spot in the rotation without being penalized. So instead of passing on a mob they couldn't kill alone, they instead allied to kill it both (or three times) per rotation cycle when none alone could kill it.

3 spots on the rotation, 3x the loot - with the same amount of players that BDA/Taken/Div were using as a single guild. If those 3 guilds really wanted to exploit the system like the smaller allied guilds were doing they would have split up into BDA1 BDA2 BDA3, etc and did the same shit.

arsenalpow

12-24-2015, 08:19 PM

Get out of here with your logic and truth. Let everyone just be mad about irrelevant shit.

Nibblewitz

12-24-2015, 08:20 PM

Moreover, some of the rotation lists were so long that allying entities would be spaced at least 2 slots apart and could ally for both slots while circumventing Class R lockouts.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 08:26 PM

Get out of here with your logic and truth. Let everyone just be mad about irrelevant shit.

Okay see you next time, glad we came to agree.

You guys all have a Merry Christmas, ok!

Nibblewitz

12-24-2015, 08:28 PM

Merry Christmas, retarded poster.

chipz

12-24-2015, 08:30 PM

If you played Everquest you would have an accurate estimate of how many players BDA fields on the average raid. But unfortunately u do not play Everquest and just browse P99 forums all day long at the library. Hard to get an accurate idea of whats going on in-game from the forums in my experience.

Your guild posts screenshots of their 80 man raid forces to prove its not 100 man. Lol shit guild is shit.

Nibblewitz

12-24-2015, 08:35 PM

Your guild posts screenshots of their 80 man raid forces to prove its not 100 man. Lol shit guild is shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzn2EJGQdI

Merry Christmas pal.

Man0warr

12-24-2015, 08:47 PM

So in the end those 3 guilds ended with as much loot per guild as BDA did. But BDA didn't like that so they ended the rotation

No, they ended up with 3x as much loot as BDA did. Can you not read?

Here is some simple math you can understand:

Taken has 60 active raiders. Small Guild A has 20/Small Build B has 20/Small Guild C has 20.

Taken gets 1 slot on the rotation, Alliance of Small guilds gets 3 slots.

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 08:57 PM

Nixxar and others have downs syndrome and do not understand math. Argument is futile. Abort abort abort.

P.S. Let's get a Velious rotation going and form up BDA1 BDA2 BDA3 BDA4 BDA5 and get some pixels boys. According to RNF its a legit strat.

ArumTP

12-24-2015, 09:01 PM

No, they ended up with 3x as much loot as BDA did. Can you not read?

Here is some simple math you can understand:

Taken has 60 active raiders. Small Guild A has 20/Small Build B has 20/Small Guild C has 20.

Taken gets 1 slot on the rotation, Alliance of Small guilds gets 3 slots.

and BDA math fails again....

taken gets full loot of 4 items on say trakanon on their 1 shot. Guild A on their "A slot" gets 1 loot, guild B gets 1 loot, guild c gets 2 loots. "B slot" is next B gets 1 loot, A gets 2 loots, C gets 1 loot. "C slot" comes up gets 1 loot, b gets 2 loots, a gets 1 loot.

Through that cycle, taken, guild a, b, and c has acquired the same volume of loot.

BDA consistently misunderstands that shots at a mob is not the same as volume of loot.

Nibblewitz

12-24-2015, 09:11 PM

Yes, BDA is consistently misunderstanding why 1 guild who can actually complete the content gets one rotation slot, while 3 guilds who cannot complete the content each get a rotation slot.

Nibblewitz

12-24-2015, 09:16 PM

Probably because they refused to move to the next raid class so they only had to compete against 20 man raid forces...

But in reality, all the small guilds teamed up inside and outside the rotation to function as a normal sized guild.

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 09:17 PM

and BDA math fails again....

taken gets full loot of 4 items on say trakanon on their 1 shot. Guild A on their "A slot" gets 1 loot, guild B gets 1 loot, guild c gets 2 loots. "B slot" is next B gets 1 loot, A gets 2 loots, C gets 1 loot. "C slot" comes up gets 1 loot, b gets 2 loots, a gets 1 loot.

Through that cycle, taken, guild a, b, and c has acquired the same volume of loot.

BDA consistently misunderstands that shots at a mob is not the same as volume of loot.

Let's say hypothetically rotation is still in place and Rampage decides to split their ~60 man force into 3 ~20 man raid guilds. Ramp1 Ramp2 and Ramp3 now get 3 slots on the rotation cycle. Everyone knows they're still just 60 dudes from Rampage but cause they have 3 guild tags they get 3x loot instead of 1x. That's why people started suggesting that either guild alliances needed to occupy 1 rotation slot OR if you wanted your own slot on the rotation you needed to field enough players to kill the mob yourself. Otherwise you could theoretically have 30x 2 man guilds getting 30 turns at Trakanon for the same 60 people that get 1 turn under 1 guild name.

Is this rocket math?

Filthy_Pagan

12-24-2015, 09:29 PM

But in reality, all the small guilds teamed up inside and outside the rotation to function as a normal sized guild.

What you think is a 'normal sized guild' is actually a zerg force.

ArumTP

12-24-2015, 09:30 PM

Let's say hypothetically rotation is still in place and Rampage decides to split their ~60 man force into 3 ~20 man raid guilds. Ramp1 Ramp2 and Ramp3 now get 3 slots on the rotation cycle. Everyone knows they're still just 60 dudes from Rampage but cause they have 3 guild tags they get 3x loot instead of 1x. That's why people started suggesting that either guild alliances needed to occupy 1 rotation slot OR if you wanted your own slot on the rotation you needed to field enough players to kill the mob yourself. Otherwise you could theoretically have 30x 2 man guilds getting 30 turns at Trakanon for the same 60 people that get 1 turn under 1 guild name.

Is this rocket math?

Omni isnt Europa isnt Moonlight Crusaders isnt Haggard Krew isnt Azure Guard. Your rampage analogy does not apply. The collective casual guilds are independently created guilds by different sets of people at different times. Optimally these guilds could kill rotated mobs if shit spawned at optimal times, but things don't work so they split some of the loot around do actually get any loot and kill the mob.

Nibblewitz

12-24-2015, 09:35 PM

But they're not splitting anything; they in fact receive the same consideration as a normal sized guild within the rotation.

taken gets full loot of 4 items on say trakanon on their 1 shot. Guild A on their "A slot" gets 1 loot, guild B gets 1 loot, guild c gets 2 loots. "B slot" is next B gets 1 loot, A gets 2 loots, C gets 1 loot. "C slot" comes up gets 1 loot, b gets 2 loots, a gets 1 loot.

Through that cycle, taken, guild a, b, and c has acquired the same volume of loot.

Man0warr

12-24-2015, 09:39 PM

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 09:42 PM

Omni isnt Europa isnt Moonlight Crusaders isnt Haggard Krew isnt Azure Guard. Your rampage analogy does not apply. The collective casual guilds are independently created guilds by different sets of people at different times. Optimally these guilds could kill rotated mobs if shit spawned at optimal times, but things don't work so they split some of the loot around do actually get any loot and kill the mob.

So you admit that it would be an issue if guilds splintered to acquire additional rotation slots? Cause with the way the old rotation system worked there was nothing to prevent that from happening and some will argue perhaps rightly so that some of the guilds in the old rotation were already splinters. 1 raid force = 1 rotation slot. Otherwise you just leave yourself open for exploitation.

ArumTP

12-24-2015, 09:47 PM

But they're not splitting anything; they in fact receive the same consideration as a normal sized guild within the rotation.

they are splitting the loot

A small 3 guild alliance would have to raid 3x as much for what 1 guild does alone, to get equivalent loot piles per guild basis.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 09:50 PM

So you admit that it would be an issue if guilds splintered to acquire additional rotation slots? Cause with the way the old rotation system worked there was nothing to prevent that from happening and some will argue perhaps rightly so that some of the guilds in the old rotation were already splinters. 1 raid force = 1 rotation slot. Otherwise you just leave yourself open for exploitation.

The rotation died because of theoretical abuse?

We've already established, per ArumTP, that 3 20-man guilds splitting 3 rotation slots is the same ratio as 1 60 man-guild occupying 1 rotation slot, in terms of total pixels acquired.

Who would you say abused the system by false tagging? I am incredibly pleased with myself for this term. You have no idea my smile right now.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 09:52 PM

false tag operation? slight improvement I guess.

jcr4990

12-24-2015, 09:52 PM

they are splitting the loot

A small 3 guild alliance would have to raid 3x as much for what 1 guild does alone, to get equivalent loot piles per guild basis.

Price you pay for being in a guild that isn't capable of killing shit on your own. If you want more loot for your guild then merge with your allied guilds. Clogging up the rotation with multiple slots for 1 alliance so all these tiny sub-guilds can get the same pile of loot as bigger guilds that do things on their own is retarded.

Man0warr

12-24-2015, 09:55 PM

they are splitting the loot

A small 3 guild alliance would have to raid 3x as much for what 1 guild does alone, to get equivalent loot piles per guild basis.

But they take up 3x as many rotation slots, thus slowing down the rotation for everyone (namely the guilds that could kill the mobs without resorting to alliances) - it straight up punishes guilds for not splintering.

Pokesan

12-24-2015, 09:55 PM

it's the same person:pixel ratio you moron

ArumTP

12-24-2015, 10:03 PM

An inability to do math in the past results in BDA's inability get loot in the current

sirelothar

12-24-2015, 10:12 PM

Quit being so rude to BDA. We're already getting going to get timed out until february. I expect everyone here to quit disrespecting BDA immediately. Have a happy and pixel filled 2016 boys.

Sadre Spinegnawer

12-24-2015, 10:23 PM

If it wasn't BDA it would be another guild. BDA should turn it around on the community and make it a positive spin to help promote their guild.

https://i.imgflip.com/wbgxn.jpg

Filthy_Pagan

12-24-2015, 10:56 PM

https://i.imgflip.com/wbgxn.jpg

BDA raids

Give you gay AIDS

cdawgz28

12-24-2015, 11:19 PM

Asgard has officially drank the Forsaken kool-aid, yikes

cdawgz28

12-24-2015, 11:22 PM

PS, I love all of you , happy holidays

Swish

12-25-2015, 04:33 AM

It's really irrelevant. Everyone thought Velious was launching in 1-2 months and both Sirken and Rogean/Nilbog imitated that the Class system was going with it. Anichek and Chest were tired of making peace between all the Class R guilds at that point as well.

Velious ended up not coming out for 7-8 months. It's really not worth all the salt and bile though - Rogean envisioned Class R as a 3 kill lockout system, not a rotation. Taken/BDA/Div could have just rotated those 3 slots from the beginning but Chest wanted to include everyone. I really don't see why people outside of those in Class C guilds at the time are shitting on him.

I don't think it was for Taken or BDA to dictate what zerg force was required for entry to the changed Class R proposal...they actively encouraged zerging ("we do, so should you...whats the matter? cant compete?").

80-90 zerging each Trakanon, and dunking on Omni, Europa and AG for teaming up because they refused to attempt it with 30-40 individually.

You guys are laughable, honestly :o

Man0warr

12-25-2015, 07:10 AM

Like it or not, Chest was a big part of the rotation being created and even being held together for as long as it was - so dictating changes goes with that.

The small guilds sure didn't mind it when he and Anichek dictated changes that were beneficial to the small guilds early on and in the middle of the rotation. A lot of the small guilds that were butthurt at the end owe their existence to the rotation as they were created solely because of the opportunity of guaranteed mob kills - it wasn't something mandated by the Class system.

Swish

12-25-2015, 07:13 AM

like it or not he also dictated what smaller guilds couldnt manage at the end, while zerging down Trakanon with 80-90 people himself...what a great raid leader :o

rofl

Ravager

12-25-2015, 08:54 AM

Get some ointment, Swish. Years of untreated butthurt isn't healthy.

jcr4990

12-25-2015, 01:29 PM

Troubled

12-25-2015, 01:32 PM

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03317/384885_GOLDMEMBER-_3317241b.jpg

Pokesan

12-25-2015, 11:10 PM

"My shitty small guild couldn't kill stuff on its own and had to ally for trakanon. Then fuckin stupid BDA had to rain on our parade when we were getting multiple rotation slots for the same raid force and basking in more pixels than we deserved. Fuckin BDA is so shitty and Chest is the worst leader in EQ history" - Swish

this is exactly the point I was making. BDA railed against TMO for determining lesser guilds unworthy(undeserving) of pixels.

BDA became the very thing they sought to defeat - after battling TMO for the rights of casuals to pixels; not long after, they themselves declared 'lesser guilds' unworthy of the same share they, a self-described casual guild, deserved.

I doubt you will ever understand how badly Tiggles beat you. It's quite sad.

jcr4990

12-25-2015, 11:25 PM

this is exactly the point I was making. BDA railed against TMO for determining lesser guilds unworthy(undeserving) of pixels.

BDA became the very thing they sought to defeat - after battling TMO for the rights of casuals to pixels; not long after, they themselves declared 'lesser guilds' unworthy of the same share they, a self-described casual guild, deserved.

I doubt you will ever understand how badly Tiggles beat you. It's quite sad.

There's a pretty big difference there. I assume you know the differences and are just trolling me but just in case you're legitimately that dumb I'll explain briefly before bed. TMO was controlling like 98% of the raid content in the entire game. Screwing literally everyone else. You're comparing that to BDA saying "Hey maybe the 3x guilds of 10 ppl shouldn't get 3 rotation slots slowing the whole rotation down for everyone else that gets 1 rotation slot for the same number of people"

Like.. How is that not reasonable?

Pokesan

12-25-2015, 11:36 PM

You became the very monster you once fought. Where once TMO was the arbiter of who deserved pixels, BDA stepped into that role. Thus ended the rotation.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

jcr4990

12-25-2015, 11:42 PM

You became the very monster you once fought. Where once TMO was the arbiter of who deserved pixels, BDA stepped into that role. Thus ended the rotation.

Kekephee stop trolling me :(

Pokesan

12-25-2015, 11:43 PM

Kekephee stop trolling me :(

I will only stop when my majesty is recognized and I, Kekephee, am promoted to officer.

captnamazing

12-25-2015, 11:55 PM

Well said, Kekephee.

ArumTP

12-26-2015, 01:55 AM

There's a pretty big difference there. I assume you know the TMO was controlling like 98% of the raid content in the entire game. Screwing literally everyone else.

BDA had all the power to dictate how R was created, ran, and destroyed. That is really not much different than TMO controlling all the content. The casual guilds in the end traded TMO for BDA as oppressors of the pixels.

You're comparing that to BDA saying "Hey maybe the 3x guilds of 10 ppl shouldn't get 3 rotation slots slowing the whole rotation down for everyone else that gets 1 rotation slot for the same number of people"

That is completely false and disingenuous to all the other class R guilds of that era. There were no guilds of 10 people, the guilds had legitimate numbers during prime time/weekends etc. Teaming of targets occurred to cover shortages in people for spawns in inconvenient times. These alliances were constantly shifting in any particular guild set participating for a given slot.

You are so hung up on 3 guilds teaming a few times on a few slots vs 1 slot BDA, you consistently ignore the fact that for every 1 kill BDA would have to do, another guild might have to do 3 or 4 times to get the same volume of loot. While it would slow down how many attempts at a target you would get, the volume of loot for a BDA or a teamed up guild would remain the same.

If BDA found such volume of loot to be too limiting, they should have went to C, where the was no limits. BDA never did, it was too hard for them to compete for those pixels. It was preferable for them to take an easier slot for pixels for awhile with no competition, then dismantle the system entirely and crush into dust all the small guilds.

R was for casual guilds, BDA in no way shape or form was conducting as one. It was treated as a walled garden for easy loot, away from TMO/IB competition. BDA was the menace of R, and the guilds and people that played in that era will always hate people with the BDA tag. BDA and TMO from that era of the server will always be remembered as the thieves and oppressors of pixels.