Big Thanks to Cloki from Omni

[Juevento]

This wasn't supposed to be an RnF post by the by guys. If the mods would kindly delete all inflammatory posts in this thread that would be great.

I just wanted to express my gratitude to cloki for putting into words the sentiments I was feeling in regards to FATs recent regicide spree. I think they killed 5 Dains in a week. To me that seems like an exploit.

[falkun]

The BDA bashing began on page 1 for a thread of non-sarcastic praise of another guild leader. It didn't leave page 1 before Pokesan and ArumTP start up the BDA bashing.

[Swish]

The BDA bashing began on page 1 for a thread of non-sarcastic praise of another guild leader. It didn't leave page 1 before Pokesan and ArumTP start up the BDA bashing.

...and how well you all acquitted yourselves and stopped it becoming 29 pages long.

Oh wait, you just let it spiral and threw more fuel on the fire :o

Any comment on that, or do we have another case of: http://i.imgur.com/5HxBOFK.gif ?

[falkun]

I'm bored at work, same as any other RNF response.

Its Server Chat, I can edit like you did:

Yup, that gif about sums up this thread. You did great holding the gag over our mouths, Swish!

[Swish]

Yup, that gif about sums up this thread.

But how could a community hate a guild so much? Every non BDA poster must be delusional, right? That has to be the only explanation.

[Ravager]

Oh wait, you just let it spiral and threw more fuel on the fire :o


You're the one with the gas.

BTW, more than half of all BDA hate posts pad your count, if that answers your question.

[Swish]

You're the one with the gas.

BTW, more than half of all BDA hate posts pad your count, if that answers your question.

Then you're the one with the match.

...and 90% of anything I ever said against BDA is in RNF and not post countable. Sorry pal (again).

[Ravager]

Then you're the one with the match.

...and 90% of anything I ever said in BDA is in RNF and not post countable. Sorry pal (again).

Gotta clear your stink somehow.

[falkun]

But how could a community hate a guild so much? Every non BDA poster must be delusional, right? That has to be the only explanation.

No idea. I'm on the outside of that one looking in. I've never claimed anyone as delusional, I try to point out the different perspectives as best I can understand. For this one, I think it's because a) everyone else is doing it, b) we step a little bit on everyone's toes (a Telk here, a Dain there, VP mobs, Vox, and Nobles), and c) the server needs someone to hate (TMO no longer fills that void).

I'm guessing you subscribe to "a" because you don't play on this server for "b" or "c".

[Ravager]

No idea. I'm on the outside of that one looking in. I've never claimed anyone as delusional, I try to point out the different perspectives as best I can understand. For this one, I think it's because a) everyone else is doing it, b) we step a little bit on everyone's toes (a Telk here, a Dain there, VP mobs, Vox, and Nobles), and c) the server needs someone to hate (TMO no longer fills that void).

I'm guessing you subscribe to "a" because you don't play on this server for "b" or "c".

You're taking this clown too seriously. You're giving him honest answers to dishonest questions.

[William_Munny15]

BDA's pixel well is running dry! I don't think they'll be able to force everyone into a rotation this time, pretty soon they'll turn on each other like a pack of ferrets!

[Bruno]

You're taking this clown too seriously. You're giving him honest answers to dishonest questions.

It's about the equivalent of replying to a homeless man leeching off of starbucks wifi that doesn't even play the game of Everquest. Somehow he found his way onto these boards and learned as much about EQ as he possibly could from them, then picked a guild to get a raging hardon over. That's about as much of a perspective as you can put it in replying to Swish's posts.

[Swish]

You're taking this clown too seriously. You're giving him honest answers to dishonest questions.

Actually I thought his honesty was refreshing, better than anything any other member has written in this thread. Mad that not everyone is like you and wanting to throw insults?

[Swish]

It's about the equivalent of replying to a homeless man leeching off of starbucks wifi that doesn't even play the game of Everquest. Somehow he found his way onto these boards and learned as much about EQ as he possibly could from them, then picked a guild to get a raging hardon over. That's about as much of a perspective as you can put it in replying to Swish's posts.

"Hey, you in the bushes"

Stop stalking!

[thufir]

Actually I thought his honesty was refreshing, better than anything any other member has written in this thread. Mad that not everyone is like you and wanting to throw insults?
I think this is the biggest reason I dislike Swish. He's constantly and not-so-subtly trolling people and then claiming that other folks were the ones who stepped over the line. I'd like to think he doesn't realize how alienating his style is, but he's got to be aware of that by now and it's just how he gets his jollies.

Ignore is probably the best option I'm sure, but it doesn't stop how so many threads are constantly being derailed by his awfulness =(

[pls move thread to rnf mods, ty]

[Bruno]

I think this is the biggest reason I dislike Swish. He's constantly and not-so-subtly trolling people and then claiming that other folks were the ones who stepped over the line. I'd like to think he doesn't realize how alienating his style is, but he's got to be aware of that by now and it's just how he gets his jollies.

Ignore is probably the best option I'm sure, but it doesn't stop how so many threads are constantly being derailed by his awfulness =(

[pls move thread to rnf mods, ty]

Yea, I'm not so convinced he's fully aware. If he is, he's in way too deep at this point. As I said before, I predict meltdown of epic proportions.

[Swish]

I think this is the biggest reason I dislike Swish. He's constantly and not-so-subtly trolling people and then claiming that other folks were the ones who stepped over the line. I'd like to think he doesn't realize how alienating his style is, but he's got to be aware of that by now and it's just how he gets his jollies.

Ignore is probably the best option I'm sure, but it doesn't stop how so many threads are constantly being derailed by his awfulness =(

[pls move thread to rnf mods, ty]

I didn't sign in on this thread til page 3 and it had already begun to snowball. By all means pin it on me though, my turn to play the victim card :o

Its just rich that a guild who were responsible for crushing a positive community coalition to take 1/3 of class R's dragon pixels suddenly come begging for changes to the raid scene when they're not winning. It's got to be the best troll thread ever if it isn't serious.

[thufir]

By all means pin it on me though, my turn to play the victim card :o

This is exactly what I'm talking about, of course. I would say thank you for demonstrating but I'd just prefer you don't. Sometimes you don't want to be right.

[thufir]

Its just rich that a guild who were responsible for crushing a positive community coalition to take 1/3 of class R's dragon pixels suddenly come begging for changes to the raid scene when they're not winning. It's got to be the best troll thread ever if it isn't serious.
Also, let's be abundantly clear about this Swish. You are in no way, shape, or form trying to create a positive community anything. You are a negative force who likes to stir shit up because you have a lot of free time and 13k posts to your name. I have seen almost nothing from you that didn't have some kind of passive-aggressive sideswipe.

I don't know much about BDA and I don't really care. They have no impact on my life. You, on the other hand, make forums difficult to read and threads unproductive. Just an FYI. Do what you want with that information (which will probably be to protest and continue merrily on, happy that you have rustled someone, but whatever).

[Swish]

This is exactly what I'm talking about, of course. I would say thank you for demonstrating but I'd just prefer you don't. Sometimes you don't want to be right.

You're not making much sense there. I'm not just expressing opinons in this thread, I'm making sure we remember the history of a guild who is asking for Velious raid changes after exploiting a Kunark rotation collapse to get themselves more pixels.

That's not trolling...but then personal insults get thrown (integral part of BDA spin attempts) and all of a sudden those facts aren't as clear in the foreground anymore.

If you take anything away from these 30 pages - take away a few facts about a guild who doesn't do anything to improve this community.

[falkun]

If we're talking history why is cloki's history as a BDA officer not mentioned? Why is detoxx's history in tmo not brought up? Why is chest's role in establishing the rotation not mentioned? For someone who wants to cling so staunchly to history, you've neglected a ton of details.

How about BDA committing to 50/50 during tmo's raid suspension? Tmo trolls running coldblooded off the server posting her rl information everywhere? There's a ton of history you don't mention, but if it paints bda in a bad light, swish has the memory of an elephant.

[Ravager]

Swish is becoming more hated than BDA. The difference is the general community has more legitimate reasons to dislike Swish than BDA. Somewhere around 13,000 more reasons, not including RnF.

[Ravager]

If we're talking history why is cloki's history as a BDA officer not mentioned? Why is detoxx's history in tmo not brought up? Why is chest's role in establishing the rotation not mentioned? For someone who wants to cling so staunchly to history, you've neglected a ton of details.

How about BDA committing to 50/50 during tmo's raid suspension? Tmo trolls running coldblooded off the server posting her rl information everywhere? There's a ton of history you don't mention, but if it paints bda in a bad light, swish has the memory of an elephant.

His memory isn't that great about the BDA stuff either. Good luck getting him to cite his claims.

[jcr4990]

Wait... Somebody takes Swish seriously?

[Ravager]

5 dains in one week? Lol most has ever been 2 but thanks for proving that BDA has no idea what it's talking about

More than 1 a week on a failed ring war is an exploit.

[Ravager]

According to you. If it was such a blatant exploit then the guides would have said something 29 pages ago. Right now it's only an exploit because BDA isn't good enough to compete for the dains. As proven the other night when BDA showed up for an "exploited" Dain but end up going after woushi, definitely a target more to your ability. You sit there on your high horse bitching about guilds who actually get kills because no one likes BDA enough to raid with you. You claim it's just BDA going at its own pace, but we all know that is just a pathetic excuse to try and justify your horrible guild. You complain about how killing a Dain after a failed war is an exploit yet who showed up in ice well after rampage failed the war this last weekend? Funny how it's only an exploit and wrong because BDA can't actually compete for it.

Not to mention the baseless accusations put forth by your uneducated guild mates that simple logs can prove. However BDA is unable to provide any such logs, go figure. Where is a screen shot of how many people are in the zone? Or the log of FAT members spam casting to try and DC BDA Raiders?

Come back when you know the difference between 2 and 5 kid

I didn't say anything about 5. Come back when you can read.

[Pokesan]

Really speaks to how far gone the server is when the only guild voicing opposition to exploiting is excoriated by the rest of the raiding community.

[falkun]

Today is a good day.
This message is hidden because BillSmith is on your ignore list.

I have and you can, too (http://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=145379)!

[Ravager]

Today is a good day.


I have and you can, too (http://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=145379)!

I would, but I don't think it'd matter. He goes through accounts like toilet paper.

[Ravager]

If you say so.

[Swish]

Really speaks to how far gone the server is when the only guild voicing opposition to exploiting is excoriated by the rest of the raiding community.