WoW PVP

[creamypeanutbutter]

Is WoW pvp fun? Is it worth trying? Which server is flowers on? Is WoW challenging?

[B4EQWASCOOL]

I enjoyed battlegrounds, arena got repetitive and eventually boring to me. If you are curious, go to twitch.tv and watch people live stream it. If a picture is worth a thousand...

[shimonuh]

Watch some videos on warcraftmovies.com or watch some twitch streams.

Can be more or less challenging depending on what era you play in.

Worth trying imo.

[SamwiseRed]

was fun in vanilla. bc killed wow. that is like my opinion mang.

[bubur]

too many botters

[Smedy]

wow pvp was always kinda shitty tho, a highly dumbed down version of eq pvp, you literally don't have to keep track of anything, just auto attack on, press all your spell keys and move in the general direction of target

[Tradesonred]

wow pvp was always kinda shitty tho, a highly dumbed down version of eq pvp, you literally don't have to keep track of anything, just auto attack on, press all your spell keys and move in the general direction of target

I th0ught vanilla was much better than EQ. Rallos: hard c0ded pvp range, most people you cant engage. Sullon: Most people will kill you, unless youre high level, then i guess YMMV.

In W0W levels were much more closer together, meaning i could fuck up a 50+ who miscalculated his dip into enemy area, by snaring him with my high 20s priest as hes trying to run away from 2 guys his range. I dont really see what a level 27 can do on sullon to influence a fight between 50s.

Terrain was better off the top of my head, fun fights in BB, that jungle hill zone near blimp. Fearing people into mobs as a priest never got old, neither did straight fearing people in large scale pvp, which you could get alot.

When they patched in the BG grind, thats when it started to suck. All the cool raids on cities died, world pvp died, to grind the same fucking 3 maps for weeks on end, was a retarded decision which they admitted afterwards.

Same thing with warhammer, was so sad to see the well designed zones empty, just a bunch of people at camps queuing BGs

[Swish]

wow pvp was always kinda shitty tho, a highly dumbed down version of eq pvp, you literally don't have to keep track of anything, just auto attack on, press all your spell keys and move in the general direction of target

[Trainhop]

They will cancel all enchants in BG's with the new expansion. items already scale. zones are phased to the detriment of so many treasure crates across the lands. level 20 is fun part of it tho.

[hammbone]

WoW PVP is gear dependent, especially at lower tiers. You have to compete with major twinks every tier and the game's gear advantage in pvp outweighs that of EQ.

Outside of that PvP is fairly washed but more dynamic than EQ due to differing class specs. While the pvp experience is fairly washed, it does offer more than EQ PvP but PvP itself is fairly restricted to BGs. While on a PvP server you can PvP in other areas, you're going to get ass raped unless you have a lot of time or a knight you squire supporting you.

Bottom line: quality PvP in MMOs is an open market that has been left unfilled since the release and subsequent PvP (PK) mods to Ultima Online.

[LostCause]

alot of bots in pvp on live nowadays.

[iiNGloriouS]

alot of bots in pvp on live nowadays.

The amount of kickbots on Tich were astounding. So many at the start of WoD.

[Redi]

gross

[B4EQWASCOOL]

There's that one guy who boxes 50 accounts (maybe more or less) at once. Kindof lame. He streamed on twitch.tv in the past.

[Bozer Dispozer]

Wow pvp can be fun doing arenas with friends and such. At high level play there is quite a bit of tactics.

But it gets boring fast. There are no consequences in pvp. You can just be terrible and keep playing and eventually gear up. Most battles are contrived, as well. There's zero meaningful world pvp and raid zones are instanced so you never have to fight over territory. It's a giant treadmill.

[Muchyawn]

Logged in to say vanilla pvp was a complete gongshow. and TBC PvP is both balance, and mechanically the best xpac for WoW pvp.

vanilla pvp is fun - when you are leagues overpowered gear wise, you are playing a pvp viable class/spec. but even more so if your opponents are shitters.

TBC pvp was balanced in terms of variety of viable class specs (not so balanced in terms of viable arena comps). in battle grounds, all classes and specs were able to bring something equally unique, and useful to a battle. and NOBODY (except hybrid resto druid hehe) was invisible.

As the xpacs went on and spells, numbers, class utility and player population reached peak ridiculousness. the tactical requirements and overall flavor and depth of PvP as a whole wore thin. it became apparent the development team was no

[Zalaerian]

The amount of kickbots on Tich were astounding. So many at the start of WoD.

[tedsternator]

Arenas were ok for the first several seasons. Horribly imbalanced but at least they were interesting. Shit got real stupid around the time Death Knights were introduced. The best players rose to the top and they rewarded smart play as long as you ran with a reasonable comp. Managed to hit #1 worldwide rank in 3v3s during the first few seasons running a really shitty comp but we'd still get stomped by the other best teams running the correct (not awful) comps, so you had to accept that you'd have unwinnable matchups if you weren't running flavor of the month no matter how skilled. Eh.

[miraclegrow2]

TBC Era arena was amazing, i did not like the hunter druid kite teams, and the priest mage rogue 3 man sucked as well, but i was so addicted to arena.

[iiNGloriouS]

TBC Era arena was amazing, i did not like the hunter druid kite teams, and the priest mage rogue 3 man sucked as well, but i was so addicted to arena.

Tbc wasn't all that great if you weren't playing druid/warrior/x or rmp you might as well have deleted your character.

It was fun for sure. But 5 second Stormherald procs are wows TStaff.

[Jahdu]

Any of you ever try Age of Conan pvp? It was great fun!!

[tedsternator]

Sometimes War/Shm/Pal would actually 1shot a dude off the opening intercept with a huge windfury proc that was really cool and interesting

[Gardur]

Loved pre battleground pre honor system open world pvp. Quit when BC came out.

[SamwiseRed]

Loved pre battleground pre honor system open world pvp. Quit when BC came out.

same

[iiNGloriouS]

? lol this kid serious. its all coming together now

shh let him think hes actually good at something.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

? lol this kid serious. its all coming together now

Yeah... Not sure how much wow PvP he did. There are 9000 abilities, and some of them you need some pretty sick macro research/copy pasta - things that make your target a focus, target another player, use an ability and then use an ability to engage your original target (some skills you need 3 of each for 3v3s that specifically target their team slots 1-3.. You gotta have binds for half your keyboard and/or a 420 button mouse.

I've seen you guys duel and in EQ it seems like you can do decently keyboard turning. That shit does not fly at all in wow. Good luck getting a 1550 achievement without getting a hard carry.

PvE is a different story. Free mode. All pve is, though?

[Xaanka]

Sometimes War/Shm/Pal would actually 1shot a dude off the opening intercept with a huge windfury proc that was really cool and interesting

this arena comp was fun as hell wotlk era if the shaman was ele. except for those rare times where the war/sham and the other team's dps would kill each other at the same time leaving you with a 10 hour match of "which paladin will fall asleep first" since people didn't often forfeit arena matches past 1800 rating.

wow pvp was always kinda shitty tho, a highly dumbed down version of eq pvp, you literally don't have to keep track of anything, just auto attack on, press all your spell keys and move in the general direction of target

if anything the opposite. each class in WoW has too many tools. things don't really feel all that specialized. every class has 100 escape mechanic cooldowns to blow before they have a reasonable chance of dying outside of luck or being bad. each expansion kept bloating this up and removing any sense of specialization the classes had. add to the fact that resto druids -> holy paladins were ridiculously overpowered in the earlier (good) expansions and things became pretty slow paced. season 4/5 could have been really good if it weren't for balance issues (s4 resto druids, s5 dk's and holy pals) but that never happened. the highest i've been able to get a non healer team (rogue/rogue, with occasional alt subs for rogue/mage or rogue/warlock) is like 2200 in s4 before hitting a wall, and we only really got there through the element of surprise and capitalizing on mistakes made by flavor of the month teams played by mediocre players. and the second we subbed a priest in that team's rating skyrocketed. beyond the lower ratings, everyone's going to know your team comp going into the fight, and they're all going to be good players who rarely make mistakes.

arena could have been really cool, but they didn't bother to balance the game around pvp until it was too late.

[creamypeanutbutter]

so what I'm basically asking.. is it worth paying for?

[Latex]

so what I'm basically asking.. is it worth paying for?

Nope.

[Fame]

Try the nostalrius wow vanilla server, high population, world pvp, it will expand overtime, not sure how high they are goin tho

[Tassador]

Try the nostalrius wow vanilla server, high population, world pvp, it will expand overtime, not sure how high they are goin tho

Read this post fell back asleep.... Boring

[lite]

WoW pvp very fun, and super competitive in arena. Unless you're ready to put in work, you'll never rank very well.

[Seltius]

I enjoyed WoW pvp I hadn't played EQ pvp at that point so it was new to me. I played on a PVP server through Burning Crusades and bought the 2 expansions I think after it but quit with the one that destroyed Barrens.

Battlegrounds were a lot of fun and some of the world pvp was great. Raids on the opposing faction cities was fun and so was Blackrock Mountain.(name?) You could run people off the ledges and chain into the lava and kill them as they were running to raid zones.

You had a lot more options with PVP but they took what EQ offered and just modified it. It wasn't like there were just 1 or 2 items for every class that could make them OP in pvp you could itemize based off way your skill trees were set up.

[creamypeanutbutter]

WoW pvp very fun, and super competitive in arena. Unless you're ready to put in work, you'll never rank very well.

I will poopsock to rank, should I pay for it though Lite? Is it better than p99 pvp? I trust your opinion

[lite]

I will poopsock to rank, should I pay for it though Lite? Is it better than p99 pvp? I trust your opinion

Well, Nostalrius is Vanilla wow so arenas aren't in place. Just battleground and outdoor PVP which will still provide a lot of fun. In this type of system you pretty much can poopsock to gain Titles/Ranks.

Arena came out in burning crusade, and it's the type of system where losing one match to the wrong team can drop days worth of rating. Only the top .05% teams got Gladiator titles. Pretty hardcore, I enjoyed it very very much.

[creamypeanutbutter]

Thank you Lite

[lite]

I am going to start playing on Nostalrius, see u there!

[TacoSmasher]

Had a rank 13 pvp enhancement sham on classic w/ earthshaker. windfury dunks were fun

[Genedin]

I am going to start playing on Nostalrius, see u there!

I made a warlock got to lvl 35 and quit due to imbalance issues at launch. Hopefully its better now.

[Barkingturtle]

Started playing an emu called Lordaeron last week. It launched like two months ago and is currently in Burning Crusade with plans to advance to WotLK in just a few days here on December fifth. It won't be going further than Lich King. There are something like 6k people on at any time.

I have fun PvPing. Hit level 19 yesterday and did some Warsong. Dominated thoroughly on account of my lightning-quick reflexes and killer instincts. Was literally rewarded with Honor. I'd compare it to Red99, but I've had like four fights in the eight months I've been here, playing five or six hours a week, and almost every time my opponent has fled to the nearest zoneline and plugged. No Honor gained, at all.

[DRAGONBAIT]

wow was just one of the few old school mmorpgs i couldnt get into, daoc felt good, hell even those superheroes ones city of villains i think felt good after eq, so did conan but i just couldnt get into wow comin from eq.

[lite]

I made a warlock got to lvl 35 and quit due to imbalance issues at launch. Hopefully its better now.

as in faction/horde?

I heard the alliance is the underdogs at the moment, so I will be joining them.

[krazyGlue]

I just can't get immersed into wow . Game sux

[creamypeanutbutter]

as in faction/horde?

I heard the alliance is the underdogs at the moment, so I will be joining them.

I was about to ask if I should go horde or alliance. I think I would rather be underdogs. I think I might just try nostalrius since it's free. See you there Lite

[lite]

I was about to ask if I should go horde or alliance. I think I would rather be underdogs. I think I might just try nostalrius since it's free. See you there Lite

cool, big dawgs like Deluxee will be there as well. Good time to get involved.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

same

AFKed at the office all day in AV to get Commander before the expansion lol.

[Tassador]

These threads about games which suck shitpee are pissing me off. Keep this to rl attacks, sports and eq please.

[miraclegrow2]

nostalrius is packed, but the problem is its 1x exp

so if you think you can login and go to alterac valley , you cant

i played for 3 hours got to level 5 and quit.

currently playing vanilla on feenix and on vanillagaming server

[bubur]

the semi annual vacay/exodus of red99'ers to wow private servers startin up again?

meh burned out last time

[Omnifiend]

WoW PVP at the moment is nothing but bots and cheat hacks. Hilarious capped post on it in the arena forums on the official sight. You can find the archive, dozens of videos even at the high end.

[cronik]

Vanilla wow was fantastic. Lots of world pvp, invasions, pvp hotspots in a variety of level ranges, etc. itemization hadn't gotten a chance to ruin the game yet.

MC killed it for me. Trying to get 40 assholes to cooperate for that many hours just to have better pixels was bullshit. quit around that time period, but beta and early vanilla was a blast.

I played so emus afterwards, but they always ended up being shitshows with overt hacking and painful arena grinds... After your 3rd 20min+ arena match its hard to queue up another and play the "don't make mistakes and catch the other guy with his pants down" healer fest.

BGs were awesome at first too, until you realized how much it killed world pvp, and ultimately got plagued by pop numbers... You either sat in queue for hours or could insta-queue into losing fights because of how imba the servers were.

[iruinedyourday]

I always thought wow pvp could have stood alone as its own game.

[cronik]

so did bliz. So they created arena and BGs.

Which ruined world pvp (and therefore interesting & meaningful pvp)

[Kawazu]

Vanilla DAoC >

[Swish]

so did bliz. So they created arena and BGs.

Which ruined world pvp (and therefore interesting & meaningful pvp)

[AzzarTheGod]

so did bliz. So they created arena and BGs.

Which ruined world pvp (and therefore interesting & meaningful pvp)

Yeah because Arenas were so uninteresting and uncompetitive and not intriguing at all or fun compared to anything any other MMO has ever done in history...

Right, you were just bad mad and sad.

BGs you got a point. WoW inventing the BG was the worst thing to happen to future MMOs with PvP. Every MMO since has been BG centric cut and copy.

[Swish]

Arena = watching druids run away/regen for 10 minutes straight. Great fun, would play that for hours.

[pasi]

Problem with Vanilla is that there is virtually no competitive/meaningful PvP. You basically join premades to rank up, not to fight other premades.

I enjoyed TBC the most PvP-wise, but a TBC server won't ever have a healthy population due to PvE reasons. TBC isn't a very PUG friendly expansion outside of Karazhan and Gruuls. You can throw consumables at PvE with a PUG in Vanilla. In WotLK, you can easily PUG ToC and at least half of ICC with the buff. Catacylsm+ has LFR.

So yeah, I doubt there will ever be a healthy TBC server.

[iruinedyourday]

the only meaningful pvp is the pvp where you dox someone and make it about person v peerson.

[Colgate]

Problem with Vanilla is that there is virtually no competitive/meaningful PvP. You basically join premades to rank up, not to fight other premades.

I enjoyed TBC the most PvP-wise, but a TBC server won't ever have a healthy population due to PvE reasons. TBC isn't a very PUG friendly expansion outside of Karazhan and Gruuls. You can throw consumables at PvE with a PUG in Vanilla. In WotLK, you can easily PUG ToC and at least half of ICC with the buff. Catacylsm+ has LFR.

So yeah, I doubt there will ever be a healthy TBC server.

corecraft looks like it will be pretty good, if it ever comes out

[lite]

corecraft?

[FoxxHound]

corecraft looks like it will be pretty good, if it ever comes out

^^
I'm also still waiting for Uthgard

[Holey]

i miss playing TBC rogues LOL.
but most of all i miss playing.. r99.. im never on due to work :X

[Xaanka]

I enjoyed TBC the most PvP-wise, but a TBC server won't ever have a healthy population due to PvE reasons. TBC isn't a very PUG friendly expansion outside of Karazhan and Gruuls. You can throw consumables at PvE with a PUG in Vanilla. In WotLK, you can easily PUG ToC and at least half of ICC with the buff. Catacylsm+ has LFR.

i've pugged almost every raid in TBC but it was not an easy process to say the least. some of the trash pulls in the eye are just brutal for pick up groups. and most of that stuff was never trivialized with sunwell gear, keeping even top guilds on their toes while they were farming it.

would have to agree. outside of some day/week 1 wotlk era raids that saw nerfs immediately, tbc was the most hardcore expac for pve. the arenas were also horribly imbalanced, but could easily be fixed by a dev team willing to make some non-classic changes.

sucks too, because tbc was the most fun era.

i miss playing TBC rogues LOL.

TBC rogues, and wotlk priests were wow's high point for class design imo. shit was so fun. i never got warglaives to drop (server had shit luck, only 1 offhand ever dropped) but even then i just felt so godly.

wotlk-era disc priest was the best/most fun healer class in any game except for maybe DAoC. and shadow was also fun as hell that era.

[AzzarTheGod]

wotlk-era disc priest was the best/most fun healer class in any game except for maybe DAoC. and shadow was also fun as hell that era.

TBC for the PvE.

WOTLK was the peak of the PvP scene. cry cry imba imba lick lick. mmm good baddie tears.

I'd pay for WOTLK recreated same population, same patch rollouts. Shit was a blast if you weren't autistic and mained 2-3 alts. And I do mean a fucking blast..I get the willies just thinking about how powerful the classes were during certain seasons. O lawd take me back.

One patch had boomkins one-shotting healers off their talent proc 5% chance to outright instant kill half the classes. Next patch warrior meatgrinder era, next patch feral druids bleeds broken. bam bam bam baddies down

RIP WOTLK. Haven't had any fun for as long as WOTLK and tried several shitbox MMOs since then.

[Xaanka]

wotlk pve wouldn't have been that bad if they didn't nerf ulduar so quick and scaled the difficulty of everything following it to be around the same level as prenerf ulduar.

but yeah the pvp was great back then even with the shit balance. many good times running boomkin+war+holypal back when everyone expected double healer.

[cronik]

Don't get me wrong I loved BGs and Arena for what they were. Was great fun until the grind got too horrible. I was a true hipster 19 twinker, doing far before most. 19 rogue and 29 warlock were the tits.

Wotlk was indeed good times in arena, but I gotta agree... Druid fights were effing painful to sit through. Did 2v2 a lot on some private server and holy fucktits was it rough towards the end getting in daily match wins when each batch was 20+ mins of dickery.

[Xaanka]

39 ret paladin twink was the most OP twink until they fucked up twink BG's. unkillable with stuns and could 1 shot most non twinks, and outrun anyone else's mount.

[iiNGloriouS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MThFyrvzsFQ 2nd favorite pvp video; next to Maydie. Hansol was so fucking good.