Ragefire (Server)

[jcr4990]

Look at this piece of shit streamer on Twitch 24 boxing on Ragefire. I've always been a fan of 2 boxing but said once you get into 3+ it starts to completely ruin the game. Once upon a time I was actually pretty excited to try out the TLP's but I think I'd rather play Red than this garbage.

http://www.twitch.tv/almostcynical

Tried talking to the streamer and he didn't seem to think there was anything at all wrong with what he was doing and it totally didn't ruin the entire point of the game.

[Oleris]

told me he was waiting for VS to pop so he could solo it.

[jcr4990]

told me he was waiting for VS to pop so he could solo it.
Yep I just saw that too. Dude is literally solo camping VS with his 24 boxes.

Classic EQ right guys? Nothin wrong there

[nilbog]

24 boxes.


heresy

[Oleris]

thing that blew my mind is that he had zero models up for like 20 of the boxes.

[Verath]

Tuning 24 toons is fun. But if they are all mages then kind of lame.

Anyway, I found that live is much better than P99 after going back. My class is actually challenging to play. P99 is easymode, just takes forever to do anything.

[LostCause]

all bout dem kronos.

[Monty405]

I am proud to say I don't know WTF a "Krono" is.

[maskedmelon]

Not my cup of tea (and apparently not yours either), but I don't see any reason to rate over it ^^ Fortunately for you and me, we've a place that caters to our preferences and a staff who shares them ^^ This sort of thing is why we aren't on live ^^

[Spyder73]

So he is paying for 24 accounts...I don't remember what live costs, but I am assuming between $10-$15 per month, per account - so this neckbeard is spending $250-$350 per month on EQ...Seek mental help, get some sun shine, and decrease your immersion level immediately.

[maskedmelon]

I thought live is f2p now? With an optional sub. What does that sub do for you? I'd guess he is able to acquire any cash shop perks he needs by farming with is 24 frees accounts.

[burkemi5]

TLP servers require a subscription. Big time streamers/ boxers like this guy farm up coin or whatever for kronos, which is a tradeable item that gives you one free month of game time. So, while this neckbeard may have paid 300-400 dollars up front, he's probably sitting on hundreds of kronos now, making RL money via streaming and rmting items/ plat for kronos.

Hate on p99 all you want, but give me a break. The TLP servers are a joke. At that point you're not even playing EQ any more, it's just another mmo you exploit for RL cash. Nilbog summarizes it well: "Heresy."

[Swish]

If there was electronic AIDS, you'd find it on the TLP live servers in abundance.

[Kekephee]

I am proud to say I don't know WTF a "Krono" is.

You use RL money to purchase Kronos in the in-game store. They're a consumable item that gives you one month of access. People use them as currency on the server because platinum was worthless almost immediately due to the aforementioned single-man-killing-the-dragon-with-24-boxes disease.


Ragefire sucks ass

[indiscriminate_hater]

u guys just jelly you don't have the eq skills to box 24

[maestrom]

The krono are also regularly traded at a steep discount on ebay and other sites. Buying from the DBG store ~17.99 each. secondary markets are ~$8.

People buy kronos from RMTs, RMTs use their 24box armies to farm literally all of the available loot. RMTs then sell the loot back to players for kronos.

I quit lockjaw 2-3 weeks after launch because it became clear that not only was DBG going to do nothing to stop this pay to win silliness, but they actually profited from it. Kronos cost more than subs. A person who 24 boxes and RMTs for Kronos generates 432/month for DBG. A person who 24 boxes with regular subs only generates a max of 360/month.

They're happy to split their profits with RMTers.

I argued, on the boards, for DBG to put in game real dollar loot purchases. This way DBG could capture all of the money available for the RMT and would disincentivize loot farmers.

People who wanted to play the game would have a game to play. People who wanted to pay to win would be able to do that.

I was shouted down and now casuals are left only with pay to win.

[Swish]

They do a terrible job of listening to their fan base. Great for P99 though, for anyone who actually wants to play EQ.

[maestrom]

They do a terrible job of listening to their fan base. Great for P99 though, for anyone who actually wants to play EQ.

It actually made me wonder if DBG staff were supplementing their own income by participating in RMT.

They were in a perfect position to do so. They have all of the background data necessary to build the perfect RMT machine. When confronted with options on how to design the server, in literally every case they chose the option that would benefit an RMTer.

[maestrom]

*tinfoil hat*

[Swish]

It actually made me wonder if DBG staff were supplementing their own income by participating in RMT.

They were in a perfect position to do so. They have all of the background data necessary to build the perfect RMT machine. When confronted with options on how to design the server, in literally every case they chose the option that would benefit an RMTer.

lol thats a good point - and worthy of a post if theres a community reddit for the TLP servers.

at worst it'll just give more of the player base some ideas and either everyone will start doing it and/or they'll have to change something.

[Mead]

So he is paying for 24 accounts...I don't remember what live costs, but I am assuming between $10-$15 per month, per account - so this neckbeard is spending $250-$350 per month on EQ...Seek mental help, get some sun shine, and decrease your immersion level immediately.

At least he has a real job and can afford to spend 300 bucks a month on a video game. This is more than a lot of the welfare neckbeards here can say.

[jcr4990]

u guys just jelly you don't have the eq skills to box 24
He doesn't have the skills either. He has a program that does 99% of the work for him.

[maestrom]

So he is paying for 24 accounts...I don't remember what live costs, but I am assuming between $10-$15 per month, per account - so this neckbeard is spending $250-$350 per month on EQ...Seek mental help, get some sun shine, and decrease your immersion level immediately.

He's not paying anything.

He, like everyone else boxing more than 2-3 chars at a time, is an RMTer. They lock down item camps using bots and 3rd party programs and sell the loot for kronos.

[Champion_Standing]

Only 24? What an amateur

[Swish]

I heard The Hidden Forest server is one person boxing, so whatever the population is at, thats how many accounts he has logged in...and why public channels are so quiet.

[Qtip]

Enable pvp, that guy goes out of business.

[Temptation]

I Seen Him Warping and Spawning mobs in PoHate once, believe it bros

[Aiedz]

hi guys, i am glad i have a fan base!

[Oleris]

hi guys, i am glad i have a fan base!

PL my shaman/mage/monk they are 47 :(

[Aiedz]

told me he was waiting for VS to pop so he could solo it.

i won't PL you because you are lying about this, never did i say that.

[Oleris]

:(

[Temptation]

To the person slandering Perun and the almighty IB / TR you are a false prophet

[LostCause]

they don't use money they use kronos they make farming plat with there 24 man box..pretty easy mode.

[Verath]

So he is paying for 24 accounts...I don't remember what live costs, but I am assuming between $10-$15 per month, per account - so this neckbeard is spending $250-$350 per month on EQ...Seek mental help, get some sun shine, and decrease your immersion level immediately.

It can all be automated, my TDS groups clear around 2-3 mil guaranteed and a few times a week I'll get rares that can sell in game for 5+ mil or for straight money around $50-$150 per item. This method also results in many max level max AA toons. It's piss poor money in regards to revenue but I play for free and make enough extra for a few tanks of gas a month. All automated, the only work that has to be done is tuning.

[jcr4990]

It can all be automated, my TDS groups clear around 2-3 mil guaranteed and a few times a week I'll get rares that can sell in game for 5+ mil or for straight money around $50-$150 per item. This method also results in many max level max AA toons. It's piss poor money in regards to revenue but I play for free and make enough extra for a few tanks of gas a month. All automated, the only work that has to be done is tuning.
Do you at least you understand that this type of thing is toxic and ruins the server for everyone else that wants to play legitimately? Or are you as delusional as the streamer in the OP that thinks there's nothing negative to what he does?

[Champion_Standing]

BDA complaining about toxic behavior ruining a server

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/Tom-Cruise-crazy-laugh.gif

[Verath]

Do you at least you understand that this type of thing is toxic and ruins the server for everyone else that wants to play legitimately? Or are you as delusional as the streamer in the OP that thinks there's nothing negative to what he does?

The truth is the population isn't high enough to support real grouping. I have a GINA trigger that alerts me if someone sends me a tell. I'm always more than happy to drop one of my toons to do outside dps, or let the guy tank or heal.

After playing on blue its become very apparent that the end game of P99 is far more toxic than live servers.

The TLP servers are in bad shape though. I look forward to the new TLP that will hopefully put an end to single man armies.

[arsenalpow]

Blue end game is toxic because we were in Kunark for 4 years which created too many level 60s, too many top end raid guilds, etc etc. The population is just heavily slanted one direction.

[LostCause]

just wait for 4 years of velious.

[Troxx]

When kunark/Velious were live content having a single level 60 toon was exceptional. Any given server had a small handful of guilds that competed for the same number of targets with far less capable forces. On p99 you have a lot more hardcore eq gamers and fewer true casuals.

Problem with p99 is upper level bloat and boredom. Too many high level toons squished in too little relative content. At least now there are casual raid targets for those not racing for named dragons. Kael arena/manor/plate, halls of testing, and plane of growth trash comes to mind.

I remember raiding HoT during luclin with 30-40 people. We had maybe 6 level 60 toons, average level was low to mid 50s.

[arsenalpow]

I think a blue server split where you move half the raiding guilds to another server would honestly re-create a more classic Everquest experience but it would never happen.

[Monty405]

I am still hopeful for Green 99 to help.

Can you imagine going back to Antonica + Kunark only with the numbers this server has grown? Or even just Pre-Kunark?

The Extra zones Velious offers has at least helped a little bit.

[Plackers]

We have a guy on red like this. His name is Lite. Apparently GMs can't prove he's boxing though.

[fugazi]

I think a blue server split where you move half the raiding guilds to another server would honestly re-create a more classic Everquest experience but it would never happen.

Hell, on live you'd actively recruit people who had the intention to level up to then help them get to 60 so you had more capable raiders. Guilds had to invest in new people and those new guildies had to then pay back that debt. With the game costing money to play, people would stop whenever time became scarce, making it even harder to keep up a solid active roster. P99 sort of bypassed all that and what with the time between Velious and Kunark and no new server(s) to play on, yeah, it wrecked that part of the game pretty bad.

[Spyder73]

Blue end game is toxic because we were in Kunark for 4 years which created too many level 60s, too many top end raid guilds, etc etc. The population is just heavily slanted one direction.

It's Chardok, its always been Chardok, and as long as Sirken allows blatant XP exploitation (Chardok AOE group) there is no cure in sight. Even if they fixed Chardok AoE by making a max number that can be affected by AOE Stun, the damage is already done and the server is forever non-classic.

And those asking for a new server...Not sure you understand what will ACTUALLY happen on a new server. All a new server would accomplish is to show you how f#cking retarded people get about EQ and how quickly No-Lifers will outpace the common man (IE level 60s in under a week, cash camps perma camped, raid content locked down within the first month). At least now semi-casuals can get some loot, its not 100% impossible like it would be on a new server.

[Swish]

I think a blue server split where you move half the raiding guilds to another server would honestly re-create a more classic Everquest experience...

rofl

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/goodone1.gif

[arsenalpow]

It's Chardok, its always been Chardok, and as long as Sirken allows blatant XP exploitation (Chardok AOE group) there is no cure in sight. Even if they fixed Chardok AoE by making a max number that can be affected by AOE Stun, the damage is already done and the server is forever non-classic.

And those asking for a new server...Not sure you understand what will ACTUALLY happen on a new server. All a new server would accomplish is to show you how f#cking retarded people get about EQ and how quickly No-Lifers will outpace the common man (IE level 60s in under a week, cash camps perma camped, raid content locked down within the first month). At least now semi-casuals can get some loot, its not 100% impossible like it would be on a new server.

Well before it was Chardok it was Skyfire, but I get your point. Characters would cost money via a subscription fee, on p99 that isn't applicable so you can mass characters. Massing characters allow you to sock multiple targets. A fresh server (green99 ?) would likely suffer from people locking down guises or people racing to 60, that will always be the issue. I'm saying that if you just movelog half the raiding guilds that are on top of each other it would ease all this congestion.

Right now you have plenty of guilds that could defeat NToV and Sleepers content (it was easily proven on beta) but there's that artificial barrier of entry required due to variance and poorly tuned encounters. Sont shouldn't be a 70 person raid if they are all 60 and very well geared, Velious Dragons that fear aren't properly tuned. If Ramp has all their buffers do their job and then switch to rogues the content isn't tuned right, period.

Rampage, Forsaken, Asgard, Taken, Divinity, BDA, plus the guilds that haven't dipped their toe into that realm like Azure Guard, Europa, Omni, Anonymous, and Clue. ToV is already a disaster and only two raid forces have really fought it out. What happens BDA and Divinity decide we want to get into the act. Four guilds in north wing will suckkkkkk.

No one will back down either, it will be trains and concessions and lawyering and shenanigans until the end of time with each guild using any new player as a resource. More human coal to be shoveled into the maw of the infernal machine to get dem pixels.

[maskedmelon]

Could always go off the Classic reservation and implement character fatigue debuff that increases exponentially for each hour in game and fades at only half that rate while offline, or at a bunkhouse ^^

[Swish]

What happens BDA and Divinity decide we want to get into the act. Four guilds in north wing will suckkkkkk.

shut up and contest - you're supposed to be a top tier guild now (which guild has the most members on this server?).

If you won't, watch another BDA breakaway faction emerge.

[arsenalpow]

Could always go off the Classic reservation and implement character fatigue debuff that increases exponentially for each hour in game and fades at only half that rate while offline, or at a bunkhouse ^^

I don't think any solution should actively discourage a person from playing his or her character. More repops would help, that way guilds have to choose what to go after.

[Spyder73]

Instancing NToV would be a better idea than splitting the server

[arsenalpow]

shut up and contest - you're supposed to be a top tier guild now (which guild has the most members on this server?).

If you won't, watch another BDA breakaway faction emerge.

We have been contesting, where have you been? We haven't gone full on NToV yet because we aren't ready to complete toss our dragon faction. We have some kills from that wing though. We've been fighting over statues, we got Tormax last week, we're in VP every week. Rampage is still getting 95% of anything they go after though. Everyone is looking up at them.

[Swish]

I think it's funny when people whine about the raid scene or upcoming problems. Maybe a BDA led rotation is needed? Once that inflates just yank the rug out from the smaller guilds to make them disband/merge with you (or get Divinity to do it for you, again) to preserve your presence there.

Worked well last time.

[arsenalpow]

I think it's funny when people whine about the raid scene or upcoming problems. Maybe a BDA led rotation is needed? Once that inflates just yank the rug out from the smaller guilds to make them disband/merge with you (or get Divinity to do it for you, again) to preserve your presence there.

Worked well last time.
Yes. Exactly that.

Right now the only Velious raiding entities are Rampage getting 95% of the pie, the FAT Alliance (Forsaken, Asgard, Taken), BDA, and Divinity. I'm sure Gimpatron is killing Wuoshis and Velks and HoT and Vindi too but I'm talking ToV. Divinity is only going after WToV Dragons, yelinak, and I think they went after a couple deep NToV targets. FAT is going after the stuff Forsaken has killed like Ik, Aary, Eashen, Feshlak, Dagarn. We've been going after WToV Gozz/Telk, Ik and Eashen, plus Doze. That's 4 raid forces (6 guilds) all stepping over each other for the same content.

If you want to continue pushing the anti BDA narrative feel free, but at least educate yourself on the current environment so you don't sound like an idiot when you do so. I'm just looking out for you lil buddy.

[Swish]

BDA mentality hasn't changed... look at you rallying for a 2nd server so you can look less like retards and get more content. Being able to move servers being dependent on which guild you're in etc. What a joke. Maybe you're not serious though, right? That's all I can think.

Until then, I suppose it's the same old spin... "we're a casual guild guys, CASUAL" while cracking the whip and making people log in for batphone targets.

Have you closed recruitment yet? That guild must be bursting at the seams.

[arsenalpow]

BDA mentality hasn't changed... look at you rallying for a 2nd server so you can look less like retards and get more content. Being able to move servers being dependent on which guild you're in etc. What a joke. Maybe you're not serious though, right? That's all I can think.

Until then, I suppose it's the same old spin... "we're a casual guild guys, CASUAL" while cracking the whip and making people log in for batphone targets.

Have you closed recruitment yet? That guild must be bursting at the seams.

Yes.

[Plackers]

Yes.

http://gutbusterwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/stillrealtome.jpg

[Swish]

Hail adventurer!
Recruitment status: OPEN

[Sweettouch]

Oh no another failed TLP server due to scumbags and neckbeards? Who could have predicted that?

[Chokan]

BDA mentality hasn't changed... look at you rallying for a 2nd server so you can look less like retards and get more content. Being able to move servers being dependent on which guild you're in etc. What a joke. Maybe you're not serious though, right? That's all I can think.

Until then, I suppose it's the same old spin... "we're a casual guild guys, CASUAL" while cracking the whip and making people log in for batphone targets.

Have you closed recruitment yet? That guild must be bursting at the seams.

This, I was Gkicked from BDA (app) for not attending enough batphones. Casual scum... casual guild?

[arsenalpow]

This, I was Gkicked from BDA (app) for not attending enough batphones. Casual scum... casual guild?

You didn't have any no votes, just a bunch of people abstaining because you didn't really bother to raid or be a part of the community. Pretty sure any raiding guild, even the casual ones, require you to actually play during the app period.

[Chokan]

You didn't have any no votes, just a bunch of people abstaining because you didn't really bother to raid or be a part of the community. Pretty sure any raiding guild, even the casual ones, require you to actually play during the app period.

Save face how you wish.(not worth arguing my attendance - "didn't really bother to raid" is subjective and based on level of neckbeard) Don't pretend to be casual when you're not, that's the point of my post.

[jcr4990]

Save face how you wish.(not worth arguing my attendance - "didn't really bother to raid" is subjective and based on level of neckbeard) Don't pretend to be casual when you're not, that's the point of my post.
There's a difference between "Casual.. Compared to Rampage" and "I play 1 hour a night 3 nights a week" type casual. I'd say BDA is more of the former type of casual.

[Kekephee]

Save face how you wish.(not worth arguing my attendance - "didn't really bother to raid" is subjective and based on level of neckbeard) Don't pretend to be casual when you're not, that's the point of my post.

I didn't log in or post on the board for over six months and I'm still in the guild

[arsenalpow]

I didn't log in or post on the board for over six months and I'm still in the guild

You also passed trial first. Once you're in you are afforded that right (they wouldn't let me purge you)

[Kekephee]

You also passed trial first. Once you're in you are afforded that right (they wouldn't let me purge you)

a) who's "they"? You're Darth Hitler Chest, you can guildremove anyone you want. You guildremoved the entire rotation!


b)

http://i.imgur.com/rKXdlMb.jpg

[Spyder73]

Requirements to join BDA

1) Sh!t up every thread possible with nonsensical bull sh!t (looking at you Keke)

2) Have mental problems in RL and bring your daddy issues to the forums via theatrical poems/essays (looking at you Failbus)

3) Suck Chests e-d!ck at every possible turn in RnF (Failbus/Keke tag team)

4) Proactively ruin guild credibility by bringing constantly bringing up the many reasons that most of the server legitimately dislikes your group.

I think I qualify, when does my app period start? I would like start immediately if possible.

[Kekephee]

Requirements to join BDA

1) Sh!t up every thread possible with nonsensical bull sh!t (looking at you Keke)

2) Have mental problems in RL and bring your daddy issues to the forums via theatrical poems/essays (looking at you Failbus)

3) Suck Chests e-d!ck at every possible turn in RnF (Failbus/Keke tag team)

4) Proactively ruin guild credibility by bringing constantly bringing up the many reasons that most of the server legitimately dislikes your group.

I think I qualify, when does my app period start? I would like start immediately if possible.


Now that your surname isn't a blatant violation of RP name rules, your application to BDA, p99's premiere Roleplaying Guild, is accepted

[Spyder73]

Now that your surname isn't a blatant violation of RP name rules, your application to BDA, p99's premiere Roleplaying Guild, is accepted

Wu'Tang is a traditional monk surname with deep ties to Norrath. It's bullshit that it was remove, and in this life or the next, I will have my vengence.

[Kekephee]

Wu'Tang is a traditional monk surname with deep ties to Norrath. It's bullshit that it was remove, and in this life or the next, I will have my vengence.

voting yes on your app for a great RP post

[Juevento]

4) Proactively ruin guild credibility by bringing constantly bringing up the many reasons that most of the server legitimately dislikes your group.

I'm fairly convinced that Asgard doesn't like BDA because we finally agreed with Taken and Divinity that the rotation had outlived its usefulness. I am personally fine basking in the hate (and I love every frothy rage tell that I get in-game), but at the same time I wonder how Taken managed to effectively change the past and get you guys to forget that they are the ones who fucked you over vis-a-vis the rotation.

Forsaken is basically TMO without Tiggles and Alarti, so that hate is mutual and will never go away. That's the classic good (BDA) vs evil (TMO) battle that's gone on throughout the history of P99.

Taken doesn't hate anyone and will do anything with anyone for pixels.

Rampage is fine as long as they stop dropping trains on us week after week at statue (looking at you Rikas and Parliment).

Divinity, Omni, Europa, AG, etc are generally good people and I've personally never experienced any outward uncivil behavior from them.

So instead of you saying that rest of the server doesn't like BDA, I think it would be much more accurate to say that TMO and the TMO alt guild don't like BDA. In which case, who cares?

[Champion_Standing]

Actually the truth is you guys are all pathetic nerds that take this shit way too seriously, like to the point of it being unhealthy. U all rly need a more productive hobby, preferably one does not include you having any interaction with other human beings. Trying building model airplanes for a while, it might bring you some of the peace and quiet that your pixel addled brains need.

[jcr4990]

it would be much more accurate to say that TMO and the TMO alt guild don't like BDA. In which case, who cares?

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[Juevento]

Heh, I deal with designing airplanes all day at work. So elf sim is a good break. But I have been thinking about trying to build a remote control airplane using a Raspberry pi 2 as the brain.

[Champion_Standing]

How about trying out this fantastic Hasegawa 1/450 IJN Battleship Yamato 70th Anniversary (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFMDT&P=5) model? A beautiful ship that will keep you surely keep you occupied for dozens of hours. The best part is you will actually have something tangible when you are done, you might even be able to display it with pride. Also, not a single ragepost or petition will be required in the process of obtaining this physical object.