Sleeper Awakening?!

[dafier]

Yep....I think R&F is a great place for this poll. Do it up. VOTE NOW!

[Spyder73]

Would take the entire server uniting to kill the sleeper - moot issue

[dafier]

Maybe I am not understanding. I thought when you waken him, other mobs in his tomb do not spawn anymore. Correct?

If I am wrong, and it doesn't limit spawns of the initial mobs before he is awaken, then go for the awakening. I just don't want to lose content.

[simp403]

Would take the entire server uniting to kill the sleeper - moot issue

It certainly does not take the entire server to wake the Sleeper. It doesn't matter if he's effectively unkillable, because one guild can still wake him and this would result in altered end-game loot tables for the remainder of this server's lifespan.

This wasn't that much of an issue in Live because not only did an expansion come out one year following the release of Velious that provided superior loot, but the players only have a year in Kunark prior to Velious, so they were not nearly as close to being capable of waking the Sleeper as P1999's population is.

Maybe I am not understanding. I thought when you waken him, other mobs in his tomb do not spawn anymore. Correct?

If I am wrong, and it doesn't limit spawns of the initial mobs before he is awaken, then go for the awakening. I just don't want to lose content.

The warders stop spawning when he is awakened. Other mobs spawn in their place with different loot tables.

[Papaj]

Gnome mask rip

[Pokesan]

yes because its classic and means chest will never get a lungi

[Era'viss]

I voted yes, but then I looked at Kerfyrm (http://wiki.project1999.com/Kerafyrm)'s loot table on the wiki...

Known Loot:
None

Can someone ELI5 the consequences/benefits of awakening this rave light show of a boss mob?

[Era'viss]

It certainly does not take the entire server to wake the Sleeper. It doesn't matter if he's effectively unkillable, because one guild can still wake him and this would result in altered end-game loot tables for the remainder of this server's lifespan.

This wasn't that much of an issue in Live because not only did an expansion come out one year following the release of Velious that provided superior loot, but the players only have a year in Kunark prior to Velious, so they were not nearly as close to being capable of waking the Sleeper as P1999's population is.



The warders stop spawning when he is awakened. Other mobs spawn in their place with different loot tables.

Sorry, you posted this while I was still drafting my post. :(

[Seltius]

Waking the sleeper can be done with 2 groups because all it takes is them going in and killing the warder that is left up. I cant remember the name but it was one of the easier warders. At least on Fennin Ro. I was never able to see the zone preAwakening.

You were not meant to kill Keyfrym you were only meant to awaken him. Due to a bug on live I think 1 server was able to kill. But since it was never meant to be killed there was no loot table.

Also if they base it off actual timeline then chances are the new loot table for ST would never be implemented so once it is done ST becomes a lot less enjoyable.

[Itap]

1. Add loot to sleepers loot table
2. Server Unites to kill sleeper
3. Profit

[JboxCSU]

Killing the keeper was no small feat. I remember being in the chat from quellious server when it was happening in live.

The strategy in a nutshell - have a metric fuckton of people Zerg her, have a fuckton of people dragging everyones corpses to yet another fuckton of clerics spamming their epic.

Lots of levels were lost.

[JboxCSU]

Keeper = sleeper

Thanks IPhone.

[Halox]

The warder loot is way better. Waking the sleeper is stupid.

[dafier]

The warders stop spawning when he is awakened. Other mobs spawn in their place with different loot tables.

Is that the difference between exquisite and primal drops? If so, I think Primal was better and if he is awakened does that mean primal will be available?

I thought there was a talk ....Sirkin, Rogean or someone said Primals will not ever be available on P99.

[Pokesan]

i think you meant prismatic

[gildor]

yep, sleeper gets awoken and no one will have avatar weps except those who already have

Rampage is class, they wouldnt do that to the server, would they?

[indiscriminate_hater]

waking the sleeper should wipe the server clean. everyone gets booted to level 1 west freeport with a training note in hand

[Merekai]

Waking the sleeper does not stop weapons with primal effect on them from dropping, although it makes it so warders do not spawn anymore. My rogue had a primal on live and I was still leveling up when the sleeper was awoken.

Chev

[Era'viss]

The warder loot is way better. Waking the sleeper is stupid.

So I guess if Kerafyrm wakes up on Blue, a lot of top end raiders would have a GREAT reason to move to Red...:eek:

[captnamazing]

whatever is most classic

[JboxCSU]

1. Add loot to sleepers loot table
2. Server Unites to kill sleeper
3. Profit

whatever is most classic

Having it coded in and some rogue guild killing it to ruin the fun for everyone else is most definetly classic.

[JboxCSU]

I'm done on my iPhone today, I don't even know how I got Itaps quote in there.

[simp403]

Waking the sleeper does not stop weapons with primal effect on them from dropping, although it makes it so warders do not spawn anymore. My rogue had a primal on live and I was still leveling up when the sleeper was awoken.

Chev

http://wiki.project1999.com/Primal_Velium_Weapons

Yes, the Primal Velium Weapons still drop although they are rarer and there are only two raid mobs to get them from rather than four. This means that anyone raiding after the Sleeper has been awakened will have a significantly lower chance of getting one of these weapons.

The Warders also had other items on their loot tables that only drop from them. For example, the [Clawed Guardian Bracer](http://wiki.project1999.com/Clawed_Guardian_Bracer) only drops from Hraashna the Warder.

[Seltius]

Killing the keeper was no small feat. I remember being in the chat from quellious server when it was happening in live.

The strategy in a nutshell - have a metric fuckton of people Zerg her, have a fuckton of people dragging everyones corpses to yet another fuckton of clerics spamming their epic.

Lots of levels were lost.

I remember hearing something about regen also being an issue with the encounter.

[Itap]

I'm done on my iPhone today, I don't even know how I got Itaps quote in there.

Does this mean we can be friends now?

[Kekephee]

Absolutely not, holy shit if I never get my gnome mask because some guild of jackasses thought it would be funny to shut the rest of the server out of loot I will go on a killing spree

[azeth]

Okay guys, here's corrections to an abhorrent amount of misinformation in this thread:

- Yes one guild, without help, can wake the sleeper. <Rampage> has already killed all 4 warders, but we've always left at least one up.

- If all 4 Warders are killed Kerafyrm spawns.

- If Kerafyrm spawns the Warders no longer respawn.

- There are a total of 7 named mobs in ST:
1. Master of the Guard (non-warder)
2. The Progenitor (non-warder)
3. The Final Arbiter (non-warder)
4. Ventani the Warder
5. Tukaraak the Warder
6. Nanzata the Warder
7. Hraashna the Warder

- Every named in ST drops Primal weapons. Warders drop up to 4, non-warders drop 1.

- When Kerafyrm awakens the non-warders remain unchanged. They still spawn & still drop 1 primal per kill.

- You're getting confused with "changing loot tables" and "prismatics." This was a change implemented near/during Luclin and had absolutely nothing to do with the Velious progression timeline.

[Baler]

The best way to become the most hated guild/people for the entirety of p99's future is to kill the sleeper.
Food for thought.

[captnamazing]

Rampage isn't afraid to wake the sleeper, yet they are afraid to life the RNF muzzle on their members

[touchtonedialing]

If they ever get enough keys, it's way more likely for a minor guild like Divinity/Forsaken to kill that last warder and waking the sleeper.

No one will be able to out mobilize rampage and beat them to Warder kills but that one they have to leave up will be offly tempting to a guild sick of losing to Rampage.

[Gimp]

If they ever get enough keys, it's way more likely for a minor guild like Divinity/Forsaken to kill that last warder and waking the sleeper.

No one will be able to out mobilize rampage and beat them to Warder kills but that one they have to leave up will be offly tempting to a guild sick of losing to Rampage.

considering there are a total of like 3 keys not in the hands of rampage, you're looking at like..two years? before anyone can even remotely field a force capable of killing a warder.

food for thought

[JboxCSU]

Does this mean we can be friends now?

I'd normally say yes, but since this is RnF, fuck no!

[Baler]

food for thought
http://i.imgur.com/LeBe13b.gif

[Plackers]

Absolutely not, holy shit if I never get my gnome mask because some guild of jackasses thought it would be funny to shut the rest of the server out of loot I will go on a killing spree

Considering you play on blue I'm reporting your killing spree comment for IRL threats towards staff.

[Norathorr]

X should wake him IMO. Waking the sleeper is the whole point of velious. Gnome masks etc should be few and far between.

[maerilith]

most of the stuff in the tomb sux anyway, its not worth the time, only reason u may want it is on a pvp server for some classes to joust with (like a lowbie cleric twink with a 2hb that has avatar proc)

[Gimp]

most of the stuff in the tomb sux anyway, its not worth the time, only reason u may want it is on a pvp server for some classes to joust with (like a lowbie cleric twink with a 2hb that has avatar proc)

just off the top of my head..

that monk robe and the crazy str/hp bracer are both stupid good.

[Gimp]

oh, and sceptre of course.

[Emsee]

Yes, only because keeping that loot out of the hands of those fire giants in BDA is worth making the rest of the server suffer.

[Gimp]

Yes, only because keeping that loot out of the hands of those fire giants in BDA is worth making the rest of the server suffer.

I doubt Ramp will wake the Sleeper anytime soon, but like I said earlier..it'll be years before another guild is able to get up there and kill anything. So this poll is pretty moot.

[Efwan]

X should wake him IMO. Waking the sleeper is the whole point of velious. Gnome masks etc should be few and far between.

[Herp]

Yes, only because keeping that loot out of the hands of those fire giants in BDA is worth making the rest of the server suffer.

If you can't get a raid in Sleepers within 1-2 years on a private server, thats your bad and nobodies fault but your own.

[Champion_Standing]

Absolutely not, holy shit if I never get my gnome mask because some guild of jackasses thought it would be funny to shut the rest of the server out of loot I will go on a killing spree

Damn son, time to take a break from EQ.

[Kekephee]

Damn son, time to take a break from EQ.

I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I'VE HAD ENOUGH, THIS IS MY BIRTHRIGHT AND NO ONE WILL TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME

[Champion_Standing]

I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I'VE HAD ENOUGH, THIS IS MY BIRTHRIGHT AND NO ONE WILL TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME

BDA did this to u didn't they?

[Kekephee]

BDA did this to u didn't they?

I can't answer that question, Chest is watching


Chest is always watching


Please God

[Rararboker]

If you can't get a raid in Sleepers within 1-2 years on a private server, thats your bad and nobodies fault but your own.

This post makes no sense. You realize guilds all fight over getting the kills which reward these keys, right?

[Sweettouch]

This post makes no sense. You realize guilds all fight over getting the kills which reward these keys, right?

Rampage gets 99% of them,point moot

[Rararboker]

Yeah that was my primary point there.

[Ravager]

How am I going to look cool in EC Tunnel without Warder loot?

[falkun]

How am I going to look cool in EC Tunnel without Warder loot?

Easy, stay out of EC tunnel.

[dafier]

Personally I'd love to see any staff member talk about how they feel regarding this.

I understand that there are views on what is 'Classic' but my personal view is that killing him (The Sleeper) was never intended as classic, and as for waking him, I think they did that in order to hype the community even more.

I honestly wouldn't mind waking the Sleeper, but P99 to have its own version of this particular 'classic' part and allow warders to continue to spawn. Even change some dynamics if needed.

You see, there are ground laying classic ideas and implementations that are unavoidable. P99 for the most part has stuck to the thought process of making those things as classic as possible. Then there are concepts that were poorly implemented or revised and eventually broken because of moronic decisions like waking the Sleeper (a mob that is basically as powerful as a god in this non-fiction game. The lore about Kerafyrm is posted as a back story that imo was supposed to be just that, a story. It wasn't supposed to happen in our game.

I believe at one point of time they were talking about certain gods in this game that you will never see or fight. Another example of things they had in the game but you NEVER saw or was able to kill until they made the mistake of allowing it, was Mayong Mistmoore. He was supposed to be an immortal, like Dracula which brought awesome story and lore to the game, but he's in the back ground, something that you can never touch or want to because it would ruin the story if he were spawned and you could kill him.

Do you understand my point? Story about this or that, without it being implemented. It makes the game so fun knowing that this exists in this or that form, but you can't touch it or /attack....if anything a GM event would allow you to see it and experience it.

The FV appearance in Kithicor was epic and a once in a life time event. But you could touch her, attack or anything else. The story will be told by game players around the world and we will love it. She is an untouchable part of this game in which we will adore with stories.

OK....done.

I would

[dafier]

A lot my my references about 'they' are referring to SOE.

[Xealias]

Would take the entire server uniting to kill the sleeper - moot issue

Praxxus said the only reason Kera was killed on RZ was there were so many people in ST it lagged out Kera's DT mechanics and caused them to trigger much more slowly than was intended. So basically people were being rezzed in faster than they were dropping.

[dafier]

Can anyone confirm when the sleeper was awakened? Time frame wise.

Plus keep this in mind, he was killed on only a couple of servers out of....how many at the time? So many didn't even get to see him awaken until after Velious time frame.

[Ele]

Can anyone confirm when the sleeper was awakened? Time frame wise.

Plus keep this in mind, he was killed on only a couple of servers out of....how many at the time? So many didn't even get to see him awaken until after Velious time frame.

Was certainly more than a couple of servers before Luclin, partial list below, earliest date seems to be June 2001:


http://www.albrandes.com/skden/articles/sleeper.asp

Which guild (per server) has woken the sleeper?
Al'Kabor - ** Lasted the longest without being awakened, due to outcry it was reset then woke back up before the server was taken offline.
Antonius Bayle
Ayonae Ro - Eternal Wrath (unconfirmed) - date unknown - Guild site(?)
Bertoxxulous
Brell Serillis - Silent Redemption - October 13, 2001 - Guild timeline
Bristlebane
Cazic-Thule
Drinal - Cats in Hats (reported) - date unknown - Guild boards
Druzzil Ro
E'ci
Erollisi Marr - Magister (reported) - November 3, 2001 - Guild site
Fennin Ro
Firiona Vie
Innoruuk
Kane Bayle - multiguild (Evolutia and In Virtue) - September 30, 2003 - EZ Board forum
Karana
Lanys T'Vyl
Luclin
Maelin Starpyre - members of Valoran (non-sanctioned) - October 21, 2003 - forum topic
Mithaniel Marr - Afterlife - September 14, 2001 - Archived News
Morell-Thule
Povar - Triton - November 3, 2001 - Archived News
Prexus - ** November 2001 - https://web.archive.org/web/20011130214943/http://www.keepersofthefaith.org/
Quellious
Rallos Zek - multiguild (see below) - November 17, 2003 - (see below)
Rodcet Nife - Avatars of Discord / Arcane Legacy (reported) - Looking for more information
Saryrn - Order of the Phoenix (reported) - (Date Unknown) - Guild site
Solusek Ro
Stormhammer - Township Rebellion (?) - Appears to be April 20, 2002 - Archived News
Stromm
Sullon Zek
Tallon Zek
Tarew Marr
Terris-Thule
Test
The Nameless - Legacy of Steel - October 25, 2001 - Archived News
The Rathe - Blood of the Spider - July 28, 2001 - News Archive... many Screen shots
The Seventh Hammer - The Dark Exile - (Date unknown)
The Tribunal
Tholuxe Paells
Torvonnilous
Tunare - Talisman - November 1, 2001 - Archived News
Vallon Zek
Vazaelle - Caer Cadarn - June 19, 2002 (probably earlier) - Guild Site (Go to Archives -> "Dragons, and... dragons... and um... dragons, oh my!" (All dates are the same) :/
Veeshan - Fires of Heaven - (Date unknown) - Guild site
Xegony - Inner Circle (Reported) - (Date Unknown) - Guild Site
Xev - Hawkestone - June 6(?), 2003 - I can't find their site.
Zebuxoruk

[dafier]

Thanks Ele, but I only see 7 in that list.

I was on Povar when he was awakened and that was only 1 monthish before Luclin was released. He was killed but that was Luclin time frame when he was.

[falkun]

Personally I'd love to see any staff member talk about how they feel regarding this.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1194517

TL;DR: Don't get your hopes up.

[dafier]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1194517

TL;DR: Don't get your hopes up.

Nice. However that's old....and I'd like to know 2 years later, what they think.

[Pokesan]

Wasn't it ex-whatever-IB-was-called-there wake the sleeper on eqmac(Alkabor)? Violating a many years long agreement on that server to never wake him?

This surely bodes well for nap time continuing on p99!

[falkun]

Nice. However that's old....and I'd like to know 2 years later, what they think.

1.5yrs ago:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1301930&postcount=56

They haven't changed their minds, at least not on the publicly view-able end of this forum. Hopefully when a second guild starts killing in ST things can be kept civil, for everyone's sake.

[Ele]

Thanks Ele, but I only see 7 in that list.

I was on Povar when he was awakened and that was only 1 monthish before Luclin was released. He was killed but that was Luclin time frame when he was.

Killed? Sleeper was not "killed" until November 2003, LDoN era, and then it was only because mob hp was not regening while in combat. http://tesuji.org/old_news/kerafyrm_the_sleeper_re-revisited.html

[dafier]

Killed was later, yes Ele, that's what I was mentioning. But only 7 on your list was when he was awoken before Luclin was released. Luclin release was Dec. 2001.

[dafier]

Sorry, I see what you said. Yes, I meant to say LoDN, not Luclin.

[dafier]

So, technically speaking, he will NEVER be killed on P99 because that bug will never exist. There is no historical data saying that the sleeper had that regen bug from the beginning.

So again, my take is that I think there is an argument that supports NOT waking the sleeper because it didn't happen across the board (all servers before luclin release) and the flip side to that is he was awakened on a few servers before luclin and the capability is there.

[AzzarTheGod]

Wasn't it ex-whatever-IB-was-called-there wake the sleeper on eqmac(Alkabor)? Violating a many years long agreement on that server to never wake him?

This surely bodes well for nap time continuing on p99!

Didn't Rellapse wake the sleeper and troll EQMac until he forced CSR/SOE to label it a PR nightmare and shut the server down due to the fact they could no longer support it with trolls and hackers like Rellapse and his goons conspiring to destroy EQMAC with warp trains, intra-gate trains, fading memory hack trains, and other shenanigans..

Pretty sure waking sleeper was just the latest troll in a long line of toxic trolls who had joined EQMac earlier that year and were hellbent on making sure this special server was sent to the grave at breakneck speed...

[AzzarTheGod]

I remember a SOE dev post saying as much. They specifically said that the support for EQMac (limited volunteer support) was not an official company cost, or something of that nature. And that GMs weren't supposed to exist on EQMac any longer, as support had been pulled. Yet the server remained up for legal reasons.

And that if EQMac kept generating and spamming large amounts of emails and petitions from griefing trolls, it would have to be shut down.

Rellapse read the dev post and began a series of events to give SOE what they wanted, a reason to pull the plug.

Entire ordeal was cashed and played out between the uber guilds and Rellapse on the on Fires of Heaven forums before they went down with daily updates on the Sleeper saga and the guild drama. Some of the juiciest reading I had ever read in my gaming history, to be sure.

[Pokesan]

I don't know the full history and could very well be wrong. Was IB = TSE/Resistance? Thought that was where the sleeper waking crew came from

[Bruno]

I don't know the full history and could very well be wrong. Was IB = TSE/Resistance? Thought that was where the sleeper waking crew came from

That's very apparent. I doubt anyone, including myself, is going to explain the history of TSE to correct some random forum troll that has no clue what he's talking about.

[Pokesan]

thanks for contributing to the discussion, Bruno!

my point was IB already woke the sleeper against one servers wishes. what chance do you think blue99 has?

[Ravager]

Who cares? Everyone will get more chances to cry about it again and again with the recycle server.

[Bones]

waking the sleeper should wipe the server clean. everyone gets booted to level 1 west freeport with a training note in hand

this is actually a genius idea

[Big_Japan]

I voted yes, but then I looked at Kerfyrm (http://wiki.project1999.com/Kerafyrm)'s loot table on the wiki...

Known Loot:
None

Can someone ELI5 the consequences/benefits of awakening this rave light show of a boss mob?

the reddit combined with the total ignorance of classic EQ mechanics has turned my cringe up to 11

[Alunova]

Okay guys, here's corrections to an abhorrent amount of misinformation in this thread:

- Yes one guild, without help, can wake the sleeper. <Rampage> has already killed all 4 warders, but we've always left at least one up.

- If all 4 Warders are killed Kerafyrm spawns.

- If Kerafyrm spawns the Warders no longer respawn.

- There are a total of 7 named mobs in ST:
1. Master of the Guard (non-warder)
2. The Progenitor (non-warder)
3. The Final Arbiter (non-warder)
4. Ventani the Warder
5. Tukaraak the Warder
6. Nanzata the Warder
7. Hraashna the Warder

- Every named in ST drops Primal weapons. Warders drop up to 4, non-warders drop 1.

- When Kerafyrm awakens the non-warders remain unchanged. They still spawn & still drop 1 primal per kill.

- You're getting confused with "changing loot tables" and "prismatics." This was a change implemented near/during Luclin and had absolutely nothing to do with the Velious progression timeline.

This is the classic implementation that we use, just to ensure there is no confusion.

Primals will still have a small *chance* of dropping 1 from each of the golems, but that is it. Kerafrym and the warders will be gone and nothing will take their place.

[jarshale]

This is such a shitty mechanic for an mmo

[Maner]

Was certainly more than a couple of servers before Luclin, partial list below, earliest date seems to be June 2001:


http://www.albrandes.com/skden/articles/sleeper.asp

Which guild (per server) has woken the sleeper?
Al'Kabor - ** Lasted the longest without being awakened, due to outcry it was reset then woke back up before the server was taken offline.
Antonius Bayle
Ayonae Ro - Eternal Wrath (unconfirmed) - date unknown - Guild site(?)
Bertoxxulous
Brell Serillis - Silent Redemption - October 13, 2001 - Guild timeline
Bristlebane
Cazic-Thule
Drinal - Cats in Hats (reported) - date unknown - Guild boards
Druzzil Ro
E'ci
Erollisi Marr - Magister (reported) - November 3, 2001 - Guild site
Fennin Ro
Firiona Vie
Innoruuk
Kane Bayle - multiguild (Evolutia and In Virtue) - September 30, 2003 - EZ Board forum
Karana
Lanys T'Vyl
Luclin
Maelin Starpyre - members of Valoran (non-sanctioned) - October 21, 2003 - forum topic
Mithaniel Marr - Afterlife - September 14, 2001 - Archived News
Morell-Thule
Povar - Triton - November 3, 2001 - Archived News
Prexus - ** November 2001 - https://web.archive.org/web/20011130214943/http://www.keepersofthefaith.org/
Quellious
Rallos Zek - multiguild (see below) - November 17, 2003 - (see below)
Rodcet Nife - Avatars of Discord / Arcane Legacy (reported) - Looking for more information
Saryrn - Order of the Phoenix (reported) - (Date Unknown) - Guild site
Solusek Ro
Stormhammer - Township Rebellion (?) - Appears to be April 20, 2002 - Archived News
Stromm
Sullon Zek
Tallon Zek
Tarew Marr
Terris-Thule
Test
The Nameless - Legacy of Steel - October 25, 2001 - Archived News
The Rathe - Blood of the Spider - July 28, 2001 - News Archive... many Screen shots
The Seventh Hammer - The Dark Exile - (Date unknown)
The Tribunal
Tholuxe Paells
Torvonnilous
Tunare - Talisman - November 1, 2001 - Archived News
Vallon Zek
Vazaelle - Caer Cadarn - June 19, 2002 (probably earlier) - Guild Site (Go to Archives -> "Dragons, and... dragons... and um... dragons, oh my!" (All dates are the same) :/
Veeshan - Fires of Heaven - (Date unknown) - Guild site
Xegony - Inner Circle (Reported) - (Date Unknown) - Guild Site
Xev - Hawkestone - June 6(?), 2003 - I can't find their site.
Zebuxoruk

Xev was awakened by Quiet Solitude, don't even remember a quild name hawkstone....

[Artaenc]

IIRC Sleeper was awakened by Order of Redemption on Fennin Ro.

[JDNight]

So given the feedback that Allunova gave, the vast majority of players will have to wait for the next iteration of a classic server to have a chance at seeing the sleeper. Once Rampage gets Primals for all its members.... Adios Sleeper!

[zanderklocke]

Was certainly more than a couple of servers before Luclin, partial list below, earliest date seems to be June 2001:


http://www.albrandes.com/skden/articles/sleeper.asp

Which guild (per server) has woken the sleeper?
Al'Kabor - ** Lasted the longest without being awakened, due to outcry it was reset then woke back up before the server was taken offline.
Antonius Bayle
Ayonae Ro - Eternal Wrath (unconfirmed) - date unknown - Guild site(?)
Bertoxxulous
Brell Serillis - Silent Redemption - October 13, 2001 - Guild timeline
Bristlebane
Cazic-Thule
Drinal - Cats in Hats (reported) - date unknown - Guild boards
Druzzil Ro
E'ci
Erollisi Marr - Magister (reported) - November 3, 2001 - Guild site
Fennin Ro
Firiona Vie
Innoruuk
Kane Bayle - multiguild (Evolutia and In Virtue) - September 30, 2003 - EZ Board forum
Karana
Lanys T'Vyl
Luclin
Maelin Starpyre - members of Valoran (non-sanctioned) - October 21, 2003 - forum topic
Mithaniel Marr - Afterlife - September 14, 2001 - Archived News
Morell-Thule
Povar - Triton - November 3, 2001 - Archived News
Prexus - ** November 2001 - https://web.archive.org/web/20011130214943/http://www.keepersofthefaith.org/
Quellious
Rallos Zek - multiguild (see below) - November 17, 2003 - (see below)
Rodcet Nife - Avatars of Discord / Arcane Legacy (reported) - Looking for more information
Saryrn - Order of the Phoenix (reported) - (Date Unknown) - Guild site
Solusek Ro
Stormhammer - Township Rebellion (?) - Appears to be April 20, 2002 - Archived News
Stromm
Sullon Zek
Tallon Zek
Tarew Marr
Terris-Thule
Test
The Nameless - Legacy of Steel - October 25, 2001 - Archived News
The Rathe - Blood of the Spider - July 28, 2001 - News Archive... many Screen shots
The Seventh Hammer - The Dark Exile - (Date unknown)
The Tribunal
Tholuxe Paells
Torvonnilous
Tunare - Talisman - November 1, 2001 - Archived News
Vallon Zek
Vazaelle - Caer Cadarn - June 19, 2002 (probably earlier) - Guild Site (Go to Archives -> "Dragons, and... dragons... and um... dragons, oh my!" (All dates are the same) :/
Veeshan - Fires of Heaven - (Date unknown) - Guild site
Xegony - Inner Circle (Reported) - (Date Unknown) - Guild Site
Xev - Hawkestone - June 6(?), 2003 - I can't find their site.
Zebuxoruk

Ashen Vendetta on Innoruuk. Dunno when.

[Smilkers]

conspiring to destroy EQMAC with warp trains, intra-gate trains, fading memory hack trains, and other shenanigans..

they may be assholes but you do realize you made this all sound really badass, right?
the EQmac community needed someone to spike their drink :cool:

[AzzarTheGod]

the EQmac community needed someone to spike their drink :cool:

Having watched the entire thing play out between the #1 guild in charge and the assholes in question,

I'd be lying if I said there weren't large quantities of schadenfreude ingested.

EQMac ubers treated people so poorly who tried to join them, maybe it was as Rellapse said, "Gods work".

[Big_Japan]

EQMac ubers treated people so poorly who tried to join them, maybe it was as Rellapse said, "Gods work".

they were always good to me, had ft15 within what 4 months of rolling up?

some str8 nerds though i will not deny

[Baler]

My best guess is that sleeper will be awoken on both blue and red.
Then future servers that dump into blue or red will also have the sleeper awoken on them.
Then these people or guilds will be marked in the new "hall of fame" that is coming.

DISCORD

[LostCause]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/r9Mt8BdiYjQ/hqdefault.jpg


SHITS CLASSIC.

[falkun]

schadenfreude

Only reason to wake the Sleeper, and an awful one at that. I like Rebbon's logic...Sleeper wasn't awakened on all servers before Luclin, he should remain asleep here. Same reason we have FTE instead of first in force or strict rotation, FTE was modus operandi for some servers.

[simp403]

Sleeper wasn't awakened on all servers before Luclin, he should remain asleep here.

As you've noted, being able to waken the Sleeper within a year of Velious' release was a rare occurrence. This server not only has the benefit of hindsight and extensive documentation that was not available to the players in classic, but the server has also been operating for roughly 5 years when Velious content was added, whereas the classic servers had only been operating for two and a half years when Velious was released. That's twice as much time to gear up and prepare, which is not "classic". Four years of Kunark is definitely not "classic". This server will never be "classic", so to keep a detrimental mechanic in place to try to maintain this facade is a mistake, especially when that mechanic permanently removes content that won't be replaced or superseded for the rest of the server's lifespan.

[Era'viss]

I originally answered, "Yes."

After reading all these posts from veterans, I wish I could change it to, "HELL NO!"

[dafier]

I originally answered, "Yes."

After reading all these posts from veterans, I wish I could change it to, "HELL NO!"

Thanks for your honesty. Everyone in entitled to their opinion, and even though this is R&F I wanted to make this a little serious by creating a poll with 2 serious responses. IMO it's worked out well.

I wanted everyone to chime in and give their thoughts on it, and again, it's worked out well.

[dafier]

This is the classic implementation that we use, just to ensure there is no confusion.

Primals will still have a small *chance* of dropping 1 from each of the golems, but that is it. Kerafrym and the warders will be gone and nothing will take their place.

Thank you for confirming the script is in place. Secondly I wish P99 staff would take a different approach regarding something as epic as this. Why? Because it would give everyone a chance at experience this in which hardly anyone was able to on live. Oh well, if Rampage pushes forward with wakening him, at least we will have updated youtube videos.

That's a huge 'IF'....but I am just stating. And, I personally don't know their intentions about wakening the sleeper. I'd love to have their guild leadership respond to this with their intent. :)

[falkun]

As long as they are the only force within ST, Kerafyrm is safe. It'll be when a second guild enters and the saltiness over losing a race or whatever drives one side to kill the 4th Warder. The good news is that races have been relatively civil (IE: Statue and Ikatiar). There's some saltiness, but nothing I think would drive people to kill the final Warder over. All this "competition" is mild to 2013-2014.

[falkun]

All this "competition" is mild *compared to 2013-2014.

FTFMyself.

[dafier]

second guild enters

I certainly hope it's a 'second guild' and not a mashed mush of crap of multiple guilds claiming, "Legit". :D

[JboxCSU]

I certainly hope it's a 'second guild' and not a mashed mush of crap of multiple guilds claiming, "Legit". :D

Shots fired!!

[Pokesan]

Yeah I'd cut back on questioning the legitness of Rampage kills.

Antagonize them enough and ST will be empty by the time anyone else has keys

[dafier]

Yeah I'd cut back on questioning the legitness of Rampage kills.

Antagonize them enough and ST will be empty by the time anyone else has keys

:confused:

IF you are referring to my comment, then your perception is off.

Only thing I can do to help you understand is to not call you... FAT!

[Pokesan]

we must ritually sacrifice ribbon to appease the anger of rampage

[dafier]

we must ritually sacrifice ribbon to appease the anger of rampage

If it's anything like Joe and the volcano.


I'M IN! :D

[Sweettouch]

I certainly hope it's a 'second guild' and not a mashed mush of crap of multiple guilds claiming, "Legit". :D

Yeah I'd cut back on questioning the legitness of Rampage kills.

Antagonize them enough and ST will be empty by the time anyone else has keys

Pretty sure Rebbon was referring to Gimpatron 4.0 the Gimpening

[luckynclover]

Knowing the type of people on this server...someones going to wake it just to be a big asshole to the rest of the server. This server is full of mentally disturbed self serving pos's it would fit perfectly with this servers theme.

[falkun]

I certainly hope it's a 'second guild' and not a mashed mush of crap of multiple guilds claiming, "Legit". :D

So you want a respectful raid scene to not kill all the Warders and then you turn around and shoot across the bow of a legitimate strategy for an impressive kill. You can't have your cake and eat it too, grow up.

[captnamazing]

Amber Alert: Dafier now getting righetously flamed by members of his own guild.

[dafier]

Maybe, but I'll still happily give you all the rod you deserve.

Ever faithful,

[Smilkers]

to actually respond to the thread:

I'd love to see one awakening per year, with some sort of reset and lockout until the following year. lockout meaning Kera doesn't awaken when the four warders are slain again within that year's time frame. best of both worlds, ya know?

gives everyone a chance to see at least some of the event if they play long enough, and keeps the mystique that is the Sleeper. plus loots, of course.

unfortunately... not at all classic. :(

[dafier]

to actually respond to the thread:

I'd love to see one awakening per year, with some sort of reset and lockout until the following year. lockout meaning Kera doesn't awaken when the four warders are slain again within that year's time frame. best of both worlds, ya know?

gives everyone a chance to see at least some of the event if they play long enough, and keeps the mystique that is the Sleeper. plus loots, of course.

unfortunately... not at all classic. :(

I'd be happy with that.

[Maner]

The good news is that races have been relatively civil (IE: Statue and Ikatiar). There's some saltiness, but nothing I think would drive people to kill the final Warder over. All this "competition" is mild to 2013-2014.
Apparently you weren't there last week when the hour of trains happened because people don't know how to pull iki

[Big_Japan]

give the first awakening its traditional significance by letting the consequences stick as normal for at least 2 years. consider a rolling yearly or 6-monthly schedule after that, or just go full classic.

[Pokesan]

well that didn't take long

http://i.imgur.com/FvwgEdU.jpg

i told you guys not to antagonize them

[LostCause]

thought he should be killing everything in his way.

[Tasslehofp99]

well that didn't take long

http://i.imgur.com/FvwgEdU.jpg

i told you guys not to antagonize them

think that's a mage pet

[zanderklocke]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=1404

[Pokesan]

think that's a mage pet

what's it like being no fun at all? :mad:

[Lifebar]

well that didn't take long

http://i.imgur.com/FvwgEdU.jpg

i told you guys not to antagonize them

+1 for having Meefus and Snoz in the foreground! <3

[Ambrouis]

of course, douchest move to wake the sleeper, like douche bag enough to ban them and all accounts they have logged in!~

[dafier]

Mage Monster Summoning can't summon special mob graphics. Such as the Sleeper. IF it can, then it's unintended.

[Bruno]

Mage Monster Summoning can't summon special mob graphics. Such as the Sleeper. IF it can, then it's unintended.

Sounds like you spotted a legit bug to submit.

[Daldaen]

Mage Monster Summoning can't summon special mob graphics. Such as the Sleeper. IF it can, then it's unintended.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202151&highlight=Monster+summoning

[Bruno]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202151&highlight=Monster+summoning

He even commented in that thread. All righty.

[dafier]

Dal, this was fixed during beta. After a ton of summoned in ToV I couldn't produce dragons.

They didn't say it was fixed, but it was. Just like my bug thread about MS3. They fixed it in the background.

[dafier]

Also, did you notice that thread is 'closed'. Hence the matter is closed.

[dafier]

OMG I JUST REMEMBERED! IT'S NOT FIXED! I summoned a Monster in Icewell yesterday that...I dont think I should have.

Nevermind. Oh well that's cool. I am going to screw around now.

[Tankdan]

Dal, this was fixed during beta. After a ton of summoned in ToV I couldn't produce dragons.

They didn't say it was fixed, but it was. Just like my bug thread about MS3. They fixed it in the background.

No, they didn't. I summoned a dragon at zone in a few weeks ago. Takes about 80 casts on average.

[Ele]

Also, did you notice that thread is 'closed'. Hence the matter is closed.

Threads being "closed" just means that enough time has elapsed since the last post that the forum locks it. Right now most of the subforums have locked threads for anything older than August 2015, including that particular bug report.

[Rogue305]

The un-classic reward for waking the sleeper should be:
1. Characters involved are purged from the database.
2) Guild or guilds involved are disbanded.
Unless the sleeper is going to be part of that custom content the staff has talked about, which to me means the warders repop, and sleeper reset, then there is no reason to wake the sleeper.

[dafier]

No, they didn't. I summoned a dragon at zone in a few weeks ago. Takes about 80 casts on average.

Serious note:

I went through about 3 stacks...so maybe that's my problem.

I did go through 100+ in Velks and did not get Velk himself. :)

[dafier]

Threads being "closed" just means that enough time has elapsed since the last post that the forum locks it. Right now most of the subforums have locked threads for anything older than August 2015, including that particular bug report.

Thanks for the heads up. I wasn't aware of this.

[Synd D'nys]

The Sleeper was awakened on June 7th, 2003 on Xev.

[Synd D'nys]

By Quiet Solitude right?

Hawkestone

[Baler]

Bump

[radditsu]

https://youtu.be/Eb6d0-Fr1gI

[Stormfists]

Hawkestone

Hawkestone on Xev. Such hate they got.

[Rourk]

Even Harm hated them. Got my monk the last shroud before they did it..

[Synd D'nys]

Actually, the last shroud dropped when we woke him.

[Stormfists]

<< Harm also. Sup bruh.

[Nirgon]

The un-classic reward for waking the sleeper should be:
1. Characters involved are purged from the database.
2) Guild or guilds involved are disbanded.
Unless the sleeper is going to be part of that custom content the staff has talked about, which to me means the warders repop, and sleeper reset, then there is no reason to wake the sleeper.

3) chortling at casuals begging for a reset that won't happen

Welcome to classic EverQuest lawl

[Gorillas]

3) chortling at casuals begging for a reset that won't happen

Welcome to classic EverQuest lawl

Why do you constantly call this server classic? Are you drunk?

[derpcake]

Why do you constantly call this server classic? Are you drunk?

you should try visiting the homepage

"» Welcome
Relive the classic Everquest MMORPG Gaming Experience ..."

better skype rogean bro

[Nirgon]

Why do you constantly call this server classic? Are you drunk?

It could be more classic yes, but it is classic

[Ele]

It could be more classic yes, but it is classic

[SamwiseRed]

blue was more red than red that day. didnt think you guys had it in you. pras.

[Adcid]

Due to a bug on live I think 1 server was able to kill.

I'm not 100% sure what server is was, I'd like to believe it was my home server, but I recall the actual kill was done by using a bridge to block many of the attacks and then manaburn him down. This was done a few expansions after the awakening and unless it was a joke, i believe she dropped a cloth cap.

Regardless, For P99 to continue, modifications need to be made. Either the sleeper gets a loot table and becomes killable, the server is allowed to progress past Velious, or the sleeper is removed from the game and the server is reset to before the awakening.

[dbouya]

rallos zek, the pvp server somehow united more than any blue server to make it happen

[mjbcb0717]

Can we drop the whole is sleeper going to be reset ect. BS you all wanted classic nostalgic eq and you got it. this happened on live and now it's happened here. You get what you ask for deal with it and move on reseting him wouldn't be classic.

[Man0warr]

rallos zek, the pvp server somehow united more than any blue server to make it happen

Rallos was one of the bluebiest servers of all.

[Aviann]

Rallos was one of the bluebiest servers of all.

Sullon was the best.

[JayDee]

Does this mean no more open PoG raids to "help the server"