Nerf bard kiting...

[Revelation]

its retarded and cheesy and should have been nerfed long ago. I rolled a bard alt and went from lvl 2 to 36 in 3 days. I ended up deleting the toon because its so cheesy to be able to level this way... not to mention the hate I got for pulling the whole zone.. this should have never been allowed.

[Era'viss]

Your forum name and this post go so well together.

[JboxCSU]

Shit's (not) classic

[Spyder73]

You just jelly bro - L2P

[Revelation]

You just jelly bro - L2P

Lol l2p? You can't be serious this method of leveling isn't the lamest and most boring way to level.. one toon should NOT be able to solo 170 mobs...

[Spyder73]

Lol l2p? You can't be serious this method of leveling isn't the lamest and most boring way to level.. one toon should NOT be able to solo 170 mobs...

You cray? Its the best way to level. Why on earth would I share experience with slow-poke-no-selo's classes? Half of you dummies cant even AoE. The only more legitimate way to level on this server is through the intricate and well oiled machine that is Chardok.

[Gundanium]

Being a bard is exactly the reason I started playing again.
Not everyone is willing to play a bard due to it's requirements. If you think it's easy peeasy, maybe you're just OP. And maybe you should be patched from the game! (except we might miss you)
Or maybe we nerf you and you have to be drunk the entire time you play- but we jumble up the functionally of your keyboard to DVORAK or w/e you're not used to.

[Revelation]

Being a bard is exactly the reason I started playing again.
Not everyone is willing to play a bard due to it's requirements. If you think it's easy peeasy, maybe you're just OP. And maybe you should be patched from the game! (except we might miss you)
Or maybe we nerf you and you have to be drunk the entire time you play- but we jumble up the functionally of your keyboard to DVORAK or w/e you're not used to.

I found it extremely easy kiting 170 mobs in a strafe forward run circle with lvl 18 aoe dot song... the most cheesy shit I've ever seen. This should not be allowed by any means.

[Daldaen]

Ya you're using strafe run and scrolled out 3rd person view. I feel strafing is way too powerful to avoid mob Melee on this server.

But bard kiting is confirmed classic.

[dafier]

This almost .....maybe border line needs to be move to R&F.

[Revelation]

Ya you're using strafe run and scrolled out 3rd person view. I feel strafing is way too powerful to avoid mob Melee on this server.

But bard kiting is confirmed classic.

Classic or not.. I feel one player should not be able to clear a whole zone.. I just don't get how anyone other than bards doing the same shit can defend this.

[Itap]

Just in time for the 1 thread a week about how shitty bard aoe is

[Daldaen]

Classic or not.. I feel one player should not be able to clear a whole zone.. I just don't get how anyone other than bards doing the same shit can defend this.

I feel one class should not be able to heal a player for 6000 HP with 400 mana when another class only heals for 900 for 400 mana.

I feel one class should not be able to decrease a mobs DPS by 50% with a single debuff when other players single debuffs reduce mob DPS by less than 5%.

Etc etc

Some classes are good at some things. Bards happen to be very good at mass killing non-casting, non-summoning, small hit box mobs.

Bards also happen to be horrible DPS, mediocre tanks, and relegated to buff bots feeding mana or stacking DS/Resists on raids. Pros on Cons of the class.

[Calibix]

I feel one class should not be able to heal a player for 6000 HP with 400 mana when another class only heals for 900 for 400 mana.

I feel one class should not be able to decrease a mobs DPS by 50% with a single debuff when other players single debuffs reduce mob DPS by less than 5%.

Etc etc

Some classes are good at some things. Bards happen to be very good at mass killing non-casting, non-summoning, small hit box mobs.

Bards also happen to be horrible DPS, mediocre tanks, and relegated to buff bots feeding mana or stacking DS/Resists on raids. Pros on Cons of the class.

WTB Fading Memories. But yeah, raid wise just buff bots. Lots of fun in groups though, although you always feel like your working way harder than the rest of your group lol.

[Daldaen]

Fading Memories was incredible during PoP. Wasn't too OP for its cost, very balanced and made the class far more fun to play as a puller.

Gave me a reason to stack FT on a bard.

[Loke]

Im sure glad someone finally brought this issue up. I think it would be nerfed if more people were aware of this problem. Thanks Revelation for finally shedding light on this issue that has been ignored for so long. The last dozen posts clearly just werent enough to get the word out.

[NegaStoat]

This almost .....maybe border line needs to be move to R&F.

Considering the topic, the age of the forum and servers, and the approach taken - yes, it's a troll post. Seriously, the time to do anything about bards kiting swarms for free in a non-classic manner was years ago.

[BahamutDF]

I feel one class should not be able to heal a player for 6000 HP with 400 mana when another class only heals for 900 for 400 mana.

I feel one class should not be able to decrease a mobs DPS by 50% with a single debuff when other players single debuffs reduce mob DPS by less than 5%.

Etc etc

Some classes are good at some things. Bards happen to be very good at mass killing non-casting, non-summoning, small hit box mobs.

Bards also happen to be horrible DPS, mediocre tanks, and relegated to buff bots feeding mana or stacking DS/Resists on raids. Pros on Cons of the class.


Top tier response.

[Ravager]

The only playable classes should be Fighter, Cleric, Thief, Magic User, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling for a true classic experience.

[dafier]

I agree with Daldaen.

I do not mean to bash or put down the OP with my first post, but ya. This doesn't belong in Server Chat.

This horse has literally been dead for years.

[indiscriminate_hater]

u mad b

https://www.colourbox.com/preview/7648609-classic-stamp.jpg

[Revelation]

Bards have many skills and abilities to offer a group.. they can mez, they can pull, they can tank, they can offer stackable mana regen.. the list goes on.. but no.. people just use a dot with a horn instrument to level quickly.. this wasn't what devs made bards for.. to solo a whole zone. Remove bard pbaoe dot songs and replace with DD songs. Problem with overpowerdness solved.

[Swish]

How would you stop it, if you could?

[fishingme]

Bards have many skills and abilities to offer a group.. they can mez, they can pull, they can tank, they can offer stackable mana regen.. the list goes on.. but no.. people just use a dot with a horn instrument to level quickly.. this wasn't what devs made bards for.. to solo a whole zone. Remove bard pbaoe dot songs and replace with DD songs. Problem with overpowerdness solved.

Pre-xp penalty removal... Would you invite an epic monk with 300k in gear to your low 50s group or would you invite a bard?

[Spyder73]

Bards have many skills and abilities to offer a group.. they can mez, they can pull, they can tank, they can offer stackable mana regen.. the list goes on.. but no.. people just use a dot with a horn instrument to level quickly.. this wasn't what devs made bards for.. to solo a whole zone. Remove bard pbaoe dot songs and replace with DD songs. Problem with overpowerdness solved.

The first time you see a Chardok AoE you are going to sh!t your pants if you think Bard swarm kiting is ridiculous. Its honestly border line exploiting. We are beyond the point of no return my brother.

[Itap]

How would you stop it, if you could?

Bard AoE capped at a certain number of mobs?

[Gundanium]

WTB Fading Memories. But yeah, raid wise just buff bots. Lots of fun in groups though, although you always feel like your working way harder than the rest of your group lol.


I feel like such a fool for putting 5 points into intelligence for more fading memories.

I was all prepared to go straight for some Flowing Thought items on Luclin... alass.. no fading memories and a wasted 5 points to useless intelligence

[Daldaen]

Bard AoE capped at a certain number of mobs?

Not classic.

PBAE songs were made to only do damage if targets were stationary on live during LoY.

But if you want to have that change we need Luclin and PoP first ($$$$$$). WTB PoP

[Swish]

Bard AoE capped at a certain number of mobs?

Doesn't sound classic, any classic solutions? I can't think of any.

What about putting everyone on a minimum ping of 150 or something? No idea if that's achievable.

[Gundanium]

Not classic.

PBAE songs were made to only do damage if targets were stationary on live during LoY.

But if you want to have that change we need Luclin and PoP first ($$$$$$). WTB PoP

I'd be willing to make that compromise :-) <3 luclin and Pop

Tethering mobs to spawn points messes this up pretty good and was orginally introduced later on. But then again, those classes who live off their feign death would feel very cheated I'm sure.

I think the best and easiest fix, is to ignore us completely and pretend nothing is the matter. Accept the situation as it is, but silently disapprove (as you will)
My classic experience is totally bard kiting, we're very lovable folk. Don't make me tie myself to a tree to protest

[kined]

its retarded and cheesy and should have been nerfed long ago. I rolled a bard alt and went from lvl 2 to 36 in 3 days. I ended up deleting the toon because its so cheesy to be able to level this way... not to mention the hate I got for pulling the whole zone.. this should have never been allowed.


quite a revelation! thanks *SOOO* much for posting your unique and new opinions that weve never heard before. shine on you crazy diamond. im sure this dumb thread will be the straw that breaks the camels back and changes everyones mind even though everyones known about it for years and its fine.

worry about yourself and move on with your life. there are always still mobs in OT even with all the bards. i dont see why you nosy nerds even care what other people are doing. soooooo many things you can do in this game without ever being bothered by bards doing their thing.

[Itap]

Not classic.

Right, but as we have seen, the Devs implement non-classic mechanics as they see fit, for the good of the server. We actually had a huge non classic change last patch.

[Brontus]

I find it interesting that the creator of EverQuest Brad McQuaid has decided to omit the bard class from his upcoming MMORPG Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen (http://www.pantheonmmo.com/). Pantheon is going to be a virtual world that continues on where EQ left off at least from a design perspective.

[JboxCSU]

Random server wide lag spikes! Let's simulate your grandma calling your house when you were dialed in on your new badass 56k modem.

[applesauce25r624]

u mad b

https://www.colourbox.com/preview/7648609-classic-stamp.jpg

more rubber stamps

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwkbndYtbq1qh59n0o1_500.png

[jcr4990]

While I agree bard kiting and chardok ae are both incredibly dumb and not classic (maybe doable in classic but nobody did it) like others have said we're beyond the point of no return. It really is too late to do anything about it. I don't know how the Chardok revamp will affect the ae groups. Will chardok ae still be possible after revamp? Maybe that one will go away if so.

Bard kiting is sadly here to stay.

[Daldaen]

Some trash mobs may be on the 56 level border meaning unstunable.

Fortunately however, most of Velketor's is stun able as is most of upper Sebilis.

Expect to see new AE groups formed in those zones if Chardok becomes undoable.

I very much look forward to some Velks AEs! Terrible grouping zone, fantastic AE zone.

[zanderklocke]

iI rolled a bard alt and went from lvl 2 to 36 in 3 days. I ended up deleting the toon because its so cheesy to be able to level this way... not to mention the hate I got for pulling the whole zone

Yeah...I bet you leveled a character to 36 and then deleted it due to moral disagreement with your actions over the course of 34 levels.

[tedsternator]

While I agree bard kiting and chardok ae are both incredibly dumb and not classic (maybe doable in classic but nobody did it) like others have said we're beyond the point of no return. It really is too late to do anything about it. I don't know how the Chardok revamp will affect the ae groups. Will chardok ae still be possible after revamp? Maybe that one will go away if so.

Bard kiting is sadly here to stay.

I and every bard I knew did it on classic. It only got more pronounced in PoP and LoY but yeah, this shit was happening on the reg. Just ask the bard for an invite if he's taking all your precious mobs. It's not like he's going to be there longer than a day anyway.

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.imgur.com/wosb9sk.gif?1

[Champion_Standing]

Does anyone have any screens of anyone kiting an entire zone on a bard in 1999-2000? Plz post proof.

[JboxCSU]

It may be classic in a sense that it was feasible with the code in the game, but back then there were hardware limitations that prevented it. Graphics card, processing power, shitty internets, etc meant it was likely a death sentence to aggro a whole zone.

Hardware isn't a deterrent nowadays.

So it comes down to what each individual's definition of "classic" is.

[Gundanium]

Does anyone have any screens of anyone kiting an entire zone on a bard in 1999-2000? Plz post proof.

Did we have screenshots back then? I can ask my friends if they have any undeveloped disposable cameras they used to take pictures of me not moving from my comp for days.

[iruinedyourday]

I love this game, but I dont becuse of clunky old play control, so Im glad some of the modern smoothness is in our "classic" game.

[tedsternator]

It may be classic in a sense that it was feasible with the code in the game, but back then there were hardware limitations that prevented it. Graphics card, processing power, shitty internets, etc meant it was likely a death sentence to aggro a whole zone.

Hardware isn't a deterrent nowadays.

So it comes down to what each individual's definition of "classic" is.

Nice trick but everyone knows trying to get a SS while kiting as a bard is instant death im not falling for it this time

[radda]

OP a moron

[Champion_Standing]

It may be classic in a sense that it was feasible with the code in the game, but back then there were hardware limitations that prevented it. Graphics card, processing power, shitty internets, etc meant it was likely a death sentence to aggro a whole zone.

Hardware isn't a deterrent nowadays.

So it comes down to what each individual's definition of "classic" is.

I would like to see "classic hardware" attempt to render chardok AE lol


If people were able to kite or AE like they are here in classic Verant would have nerfed that shit so fast. It just simply wasn't necessary because it wasn't possible on the scale that is here. Confirmed not classic.

[nhdjoseywales]

While I agree bard kiting and chardok ae are both incredibly dumb and not classic (maybe doable in classic but nobody did it) like others have said we're beyond the point of no return. It really is too late to do anything about it. I don't know how the Chardok revamp will affect the ae groups. Will chardok ae still be possible after revamp? Maybe that one will go away if so.

Bard kiting is sadly here to stay.

people did chardok ae in classic. it wasnt as organized or as min/maxxed but yes it happened in classic. my cleric used to do it on Xev.

[nhdjoseywales]

I would like to see "classic hardware" attempt to render chardok AE lol


If people were able to kite or AE like they are here in classic Verant would have nerfed that shit so fast. It just simply wasn't necessary because it wasn't possible on the scale that is here. Confirmed not classic.

while i realize that pop isnt "classic" my roomie used to kite all of halls of honor so when you say its not classic are you saying it didnt happen pre pop or what?

[tedsternator]

I would like to see "classic hardware" attempt to render chardok AE lol


If people were able to kite or AE like they are here in classic Verant would have nerfed that shit so fast. It just simply wasn't necessary because it wasn't possible on the scale that is here. Confirmed not classic.

People absolutely did this all the time also KC aoe you are living in a dream world

[Era'viss]

Been reading this thread off and on today. Assuming, "Nerf bard kiting..." isn't a call to completely end all bard kiting, it does seem pretty reasonable for us to agree that bards should be able to kite a pack of mobs, but maybe not a whole zone of mobs, right? If that's the case it makes the most sense to limit the amount of mobs hit by the AE to maybe just 20?

I've always perceived the bard power kiting as a bit selfish, but me seeing someone being selfish doesn't ruin my experience.

And I'm sorry to those who don't enjoy rehashing an old topic. I did not play this game 16 years ago. For some odd reason I've enjoyed playing this MMO over all others out there because I am an untwinked nublet casual scum. I always feel forced to socialize because content is near impossible for me to solo. Love the journey and friends I've made along the way.

[Champion_Standing]

People absolutely did this all the time also KC aoe you are living in a dream world

Got proof?

[tedsternator]

Got proof?

Its on p99 a.k.a. classic

[andvarion]

Even though this is a troll thread, I'd love to know where zones are with 170 mobs for pulling. You know, for science.

[Gundanium]

Got proof?
Eye witness testimony!

[indiscriminate_hater]

Got proof?

the burden of proof is on the accuser. also, regarding your claim about hardware: all you need to do is look down so there is no need to render.

shit's classic. NEXT!

[Pipip]

There are over 100 zones in this game (120ish?). Bards do big AoE kites in 3 or 4 of them. Is it really so awful to only have 110+ zones where you don't have to worry about bard AoE?

Come to red, bards invite you to their groups for the xp bonus. The hate isn't there.

[JboxCSU]

the burden of proof is on the accuser. also, regarding your claim about hardware: all you need to do is look down so there is no need to render.

shit's classic. NEXT!

How...??

Is he supposed to post old screenshots of bards leveling via groups instead of swarming?

[Swish]

There are over 100 zones in this game (120ish?). Bards do big AoE kites in 3 or 4 of them. Is it really so awful to only have 110+ zones where you don't have to worry about bard AoE?

Come to red, bards invite you to their groups for the xp bonus. The hate isn't there.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2082785/nodding-cats-o.gif

[indiscriminate_hater]

How...??

Is he supposed to post old screenshots of bards leveling via groups instead of swarming?

not my problem

[Champion_Standing]

How...??

Is he supposed to post old screenshots of bards leveling via groups instead of swarming?

Nobody can even point to a single thread, screenshot, rant, or anything about bards mass kiting or entire zone AE groups in classic. Surely there must be at least a couple rant threads and attempted shame screenshots on the web somewhere, look how many there are here and live had significantly more players. No screenshots of mass AEing from proud exploiters? Nothing at all? lol

The people here saying they AEed in classic are wrong, thinking about later eras when classic zones were empty and hardware had improved significantly. You would have had GMs on your ass in 30 seconds trying to AE all of KC on live in actual classic-velious era if you could even pull it off to begin with. You may have been kiting small swarms and AEing small groups of mobs but you were not doing anything like whats happening in Chardok.

[Swish]

Not many people had a sub-100 ping in 1999-2000 I'm guessing, plus I wouldn't want to try kiting on that scale with the classic UI

[Gundanium]

Nobody can even point to a single thread, screenshot, rant, or anything about bards mass kiting or entire zone AE groups in classic. Surely there must be at least a couple rant threads and attempted shame screenshots on the web somewhere, look how many there are here and live had significantly more players. No screenshots of mass AEing from proud exploiters? Nothing at all? lol

The people here saying they AEed in classic are wrong, thinking about later eras when classic zones were empty and hardware had improved significantly. You would have had GMs on your ass in 30 seconds trying to AE all of KC on live in actual classic-velious era if you could even pull it off to begin with. You may have been kiting small swarms and AEing small groups of mobs but you were not doing anything like whats happening in Chardok.

So if it's not classic, that's grounds to remove it?
STawwwp

[NegaStoat]

The new blue P1999 server that will eventually be released was already strongly implied to have changes made to it for a better, healthier game. Both bard kiting and AoE farming will be targeted, no doubt. The big question will be if the more recently upcoming Red Teams server will have their ideas for a healthier server put in. Current Blue & Red area lost cause - it's the new stuff that has my attention.

[iruinedyourday]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/b8c6bdf11e6cb9d51986d60a3d7504f2/tumblr_n2r0eap5wl1qd4q8ao1_500.gif

[Swish]

The new blue P1999 server that will eventually be released was already strongly implied to have changes made to it for a better, healthier game. Both bard kiting and AoE farming will be targeted, no doubt.

Proof on that? Anything said anywhere?

[Era'viss]

Proof on that? Anything said anywhere?

Would you join Blue if it was true? :D

[LostCause]

being able to scroll out to 3rd person not classic.

[Swish]

Would you join Blue if it was true? :D

no

[indiscriminate_hater]

Nobody can even point to a single thread, screenshot, rant, or anything about bards mass kiting or entire zone AE groups in classic. Surely there must be at least a couple rant threads and attempted shame screenshots on the web somewhere, look how many there are here and live had significantly more players. No screenshots of mass AEing from proud exploiters? Nothing at all? lol

The people here saying they AEed in classic are wrong, thinking about later eras when classic zones were empty and hardware had improved significantly. You would have had GMs on your ass in 30 seconds trying to AE all of KC on live in actual classic-velious era if you could even pull it off to begin with. You may have been kiting small swarms and AEing small groups of mobs but you were not doing anything like whats happening in Chardok.

Prove it

[JackFlash]

The first type of Mass AE groups similar to chardok were in Fungus grove far as I remember. At least on CT.

[Champion_Standing]

Prove it

You claim its classic, you need to provide the proof sorry bud.

[iruinedyourday]

its hard to google search for cases of classic bard AoE kiting since you nuckleheads spam the forums with every word imaginable to describe it.

[Plackers]

There are over 100 zones in this game (120ish?). Bards do big AoE kites in 3 or 4 of them. Is it really so awful to only have 110+ zones where you don't have to worry about bard AoE?

Come to red, bards invite you to their groups for the xp bonus. The hate isn't there.

That's because bards on red think you get more Xp when you invite 5 warm bodies that contribute nothing. You don't get more xp.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

You claim its classic, you need to provide the proof sorry bud.

He can't prove it because he's an idiot scum trash bard and also because it's not classic.

[Ostros]

Oh look this is finally in RnF.

Shut the hell up OP, god. It's classic, deal with it. Do you tards not read the server guidelines and rules and all that? Specifically the parts where they say they're only going to follow official archived patch notes?

[indiscriminate_hater]

You claim its classic, you need to provide the proof sorry bud.

you're the one trying to change it. still not getting it?

[Champion_Standing]

I'll be writing a letter to Brad tonight, put this shit to rest like the epics. Enjoy it while it lasts scum!

[Revelation]

being able to scroll out to 3rd person not classic.

This.

[Ostros]

This.

No, not this. Stop posting.


http://puu.sh/kDCam/3606449e6d.gif

[captnamazing]

Cloki,
You wanna team up for all Trak's going forward, split teeth 50/50 and lock down VP on BDA? Can split up VP loot either on a joint Loot Council or /ran for first pick.

So, you want in on the VP lockdown too? =P

Really baring the fangs here, Unbrella. You couldn't hack it in BDA, so you splintered off to FE. Under your leadership, FE couldn't hack it, so you joined TMO. Then you couldn't hack it with TMO when they were exiled to Red, so you joined the legions of <Empire>.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the prodigal cuck. He skulks from guild to guild, desperately seeking a pixel fix for his raging addiction. But fear not - he is a lame horse, incapable of foresight, a sieve to wisdom, a lone rat without any friends.

Behold his mighty squeaks as he bares his little rat fangs in the shadows of exile. Behold the terrific splendor of his greatness as he threatens to form Gimpatron 2.0 and lock down stale content that has been out for 5 years, content that with few exceptions, is more obsolete than his own genitalia. Witness, friends, the Prodigal Cuck.

[captnamazing]

fuck that was supposed to be a thread

[beyondinfin]

I wanna know how you nuts can do it without getting massive carpel tunnel.

[Bones]

cap bards at 56kbps dialup connection

problem solved

[Gundanium]

He can't prove it because he's an idiot scum trash bard and also because it's not classic.

Prove it

[Gundanium]

I wanna know how you nuts can do it without getting massive carpel tunnel.

When I first played in highshool, I had a callus on my wrist that my friends thought was disgusting. I remedied this by wearing one of those wrist sweatbands that trending then.
And had to rebind the keys to my left hand, which was before I'd really used ASDW in any game. Was more of a tendonitus situation.

I can use my ASDW and number pad, or use my directional keys, AND can use my Naga mouse to twist songs. That'll stave off tendonitus for at LEAST a month of solid kiting

[fishingme]

Well bard aoe wouldn't have happened on live servers like it does here. For one, the game masters would of banned or suspended you if you were screwing with other paying subscribers like that. Pretty pure and simple, ban a few bards for monopolizing zones that were full of people, you lose very little cash flow, but to have the people quit because bards are taking entire zones would be a lot of cash flow lost. Normal zone population in live was a lot more than it is here.

If you dont want to believe the hardware excuse then let's look at software. The classic user interfaces which 95% of the server doesn't use has its limitations. The velious user interface for example is such an fps hog that you will start feeling the lag with today's hardware if you have more than 25 mobs. There also was no in game changing or lowering of settings by the extent that we now have in p1999.

[Gundanium]

Well bard aoe wouldn't have happened on live servers like it does here. For one, the game masters would of banned or suspended you if you were screwing with other paying subscribers like that.



That's utter BS- Have you even tried the Lockjaw or Ragefire servers?

GM's banning anyone on live servers? Absolute BS, there are plat sellers, bots, P2W up the ***. They will sell you the opportunity to name change, to retrieve accidental destruction of items, and other GM required abilities. They just sell the automated features of a GM.
You have to pay a subscription AND there is still a P2W option with those Kronos.
But hey, you might be able to flat out purchase someone else getting banned over there.

I *MIGHT* consider barding over there for Luclin, except they made the class completely useless. They also have a redundancy of mages and even a top teir guild of pure mages because they can tank pet everything.
You can try to balance out bard stuff, but it will affect other classes tremendously, eventually ending up with an OP mage dynamic.

[fishingme]

That's utter BS- Have you even tried the Lockjaw or Ragefire servers?

GM's banning anyone on live servers? Absolute BS, there are plat sellers, bots, P2W up the ***. They will sell you the opportunity to name change, to retrieve accidental destruction of items, and other GM required abilities. They just sell the automated features of a GM.
You have to pay a subscription AND there is still a P2W option with those Kronos.
But hey, you might be able to flat out purchase someone else getting banned over there.

I *MIGHT* consider barding over there for Luclin, except they made the class completely useless. They also have a redundancy of mages and even a top teir guild of pure mages because they can tank pet everything.
You can try to balance out bard stuff, but it will affect other classes tremendously, eventually ending up with an OP mage dynamic.

I'm talking in classic. the era of 99-01. Soe/verant were harsh with their penalties. Shit, I was banned for accidentally training crushbone on my monk back in 01. They had a three strikes rule and you were banned. GMs here on p1999 are a bunch of (for lack of better words) girls with their punishments. If they weren't, a bunch of high end raiding guilds wouldn't be training expers in karnors on VS respawn day.

[indiscriminate_hater]

I'm talking in classic. the era of 99-01. Soe/verant were harsh with their penalties. Shit, I was banned for accidentally training crushbone on my monk back in 01. They had a three strikes rule and you were banned.

no you weren't

filthy liar

[Gundanium]

cap bards at 56kbps dialup connection

problem solved

This would be pretty damn nostalgic

[stavio]

I'm almost to the point I want to give up on my bard. I offer a lowbie some heals/mana chant while he's medding, he's not interested. I log in my druid and offer him buffs, he begs for them. I get told its against the rules to port bards lol, I port everyone the same.. I can just be running through a zone and I'm the one getting blamed for whatever trouble another bard is causing.

It's just frustrating, I love playing the bard. They offer so much to a group but yet I have not been able to actually join a group yet. So I'm stuck with swarming/fear kiting/face tanking solo.

There is so much hate for bards on this server it is unreal. /Rant off

[Ranndom]

its retarded and cheesy and should have been nerfed long ago. I rolled a bard alt and went from lvl 2 to 36 in 3 days. I ended up deleting the toon because its so cheesy to be able to level this way... not to mention the hate I got for pulling the whole zone.. this should have never been allowed.

While its an a hole move....i can imagine the cash flow from trash alone is nice...lol

[Era'viss]

While its an a hole move....i can imagine the cash flow from trash alone is nice...lol

This is surprisingly not true from what I've heard. Not all the mobs die at the same time, so a lot goes to rot.

[zanderklocke]

I'm almost to the point I want to give up on my bard. I offer a lowbie some heals/mana chant while he's medding, he's not interested. I log in my druid and offer him buffs, he begs for them. I get told its against the rules to port bards lol, I port everyone the same.. I can just be running through a zone and I'm the one getting blamed for whatever trouble another bard is causing.

It's just frustrating, I love playing the bard. They offer so much to a group but yet I have not been able to actually join a group yet. So I'm stuck with swarming/fear kiting/face tanking solo.

There is so much hate for bards on this server it is unreal. /Rant off

Anyone who generalizes a playstyle across all players of that class doesn't have the brain processing power to play the game well. I wouldn't worry about him.

[Champion_Standing]

Was lurking on some EQ streams today and I saw someone say they opted to go to TLP after seeing bard kiting on P99. lol'd hard So broken that TLP players are disgusted by it. u guys are just addicted to ez mode.

[kined]

Was lurking on some EQ streams today and I saw someone say they opted to go to TLP after seeing bard kiting on P99. lol'd hard So broken that TLP players are disgusted by it. u guys are just addicted to ez mode.

im curious as to why anyone cares? you do realize that you dont have to take the quickest way to the top.... i seriously cannot fathom why so many of you even care in the slightest. theres always still mobs in these kiting places, and you are perfectly welcome to level bards the old fashion way. the whole "bards cant get in groups" thing is completely bullshit.

THE ONLY THING YOU NEED TO DO IS MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND SUDDENLY THERE IS NO FUCKING PROBLEM

for the love of god can people stop giving a shit about how people choose to play a 16 year old game on a free emulated server.

[Nibblewitz]

For the love of god, nerf wizards already.

[Rararboker]

Nerf warriors, they can tank aow.

[Champion_Standing]

im curious as to why anyone cares? you do realize that you dont have to take the quickest way to the top.... i seriously cannot fathom why so many of you even care in the slightest. theres always still mobs in these kiting places, and you are perfectly welcome to level bards the old fashion way. the whole "bards cant get in groups" thing is completely bullshit.

THE ONLY THING YOU NEED TO DO IS MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND SUDDENLY THERE IS NO FUCKING PROBLEM

for the love of god can people stop giving a shit about how people choose to play a 16 year old game on a free emulated server.

Oh so you don't care if someone is say exploiting a broken drop and farming millions of plat a day because that's "how they play" right?

Bard mass kiting is a broken exploit, not the "way people play". It isn't classic and should be fixed.

[Rararboker]

It actually is classic. Which has been shown dozens of times on the forum.

[Troxx]

Someone pissed in Champion Standings cheerios. Dudes got mad, raging boner-hate for bards. It's quite comical.

[Troxx]

Ps: and no, I haven't kited in ages.

That shit got boring really fast:

[Champion_Standing]

It actually is classic. Which has been shown dozens of times on the forum.

There is none at all, show me a single screenshot or a forum post or something from the classic era with mass AE farming or mass bard kiting. It doesn't exist.

[Champion_Standing]

Someone pissed in Champion Standings cheerios. Dudes got mad, raging boner-hate for bards. It's quite comical.

I don't hate bards anymore than I hate any other exploiters, you guys just get real rustled when the truth is spoken.

[Troxx]

It only takes one read through this thread to see who's 'rustled'

[Champion_Standing]

It only takes one read through this thread to see who's 'rustled'

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