Dear Rogean

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Games completely broke and people have been exploiting this all day.

[BahamutDF]

What's actually broke? I've only noticed some oddly sized mobs.

[Harris]

?

[Pokesan]

What's actually broke? I've only noticed some oddly sized mobs.

BDA has been exploiting raid bosses for loot all day

[contemptor]

BDA has been exploiting raid bosses for loot all day
Are you and Swish the same person or do you just share each other's bodily cavities? Your russle got me like :D

[Pokesan]

Are you and Swish the same person or do you just share each other's bodily cavities? Your russle got me like :D

I should be so lucky

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

what a disastrous patch. good god, what did you do?

[LordRayken]

Do not joke.
I leveled a few times today. Do not rollback.

[Kekephee]

BDA has been exploiting raid bosses for loot all day

We killed one dragon that we have killed a bunch of times with no problem and would have killed anyway. It's fine for you to bullshit in RnF but don't do it here in server chat.


If there's a rollback I will have to run through skyshrine for fucking two hours AGAIN to turn in my helmet and that is unacceptable.

[quido]

would have killed anyway

irrelevant

[Kekephee]

irrelevant

RnF

[quido]

Wrong - 100% serious and not ranty of flamey. Until the servers are fixed this issue merits serious discussion.

[LordRayken]

irrelevant

It's completely relevant. Unless someone was taking advantage of the patch to do things they otherwise shouldn't have been, it's relevant.

[quido]

Previous success doesn't guarantee victory in the future. The fact of the matter is the raid mobs are broken and trivial.

I think killing a raid mob who is supposed to AE and doesn't is taking advantage of the patch to do things they couldn't, namely killing a broken and trivial mob. Whether or not they've killed it before is irrelevant.

[Axlrose]

As a newbie here, perhaps this is the admin's way of weeding out the "cheating" players.

If a guild reports that a particular mob is not running properly, so to save the integrity of the game, they are going to kill it just in case another guild attempts to exploit it and go one step further and destroy the loot, then merits to them.

But if a guild wantonly abuses mobs, then the admins could ban the whole, no? Since there is no monetary fees involved to play here, players would not have much they can say in their favor.

Or am I bit off track with this whole high end raiding and the admins?

[Swish]

If there's a rollback I will have to run through skyshrine for fucking two hours AGAIN to turn in my helmet and that is unacceptable.

Poor you.

[arsenalpow]

As a newbie here, perhaps this is the admin's way of weeding out the "cheating" players.

If a guild reports that a particular mob is not running properly, so to save the integrity of the game, they are going to kill it just in case another guild attempts to exploit it and go one step further and destroy the loot, then merits to them.

But if a guild wantonly abuses mobs, then the admins could ban the whole, no? Since there is no monetary fees involved to play here, players would not have much they can say in their favor.

Or am I bit off track with this whole high end raiding and the admins?

The only semi sketchy kill yesterday was probably 28 gimpatrons killing Gore considering I didn't see a mess of wizard firepower. Rampage has been clubbing everything in NToV, even if everything were working probably they would have prevailed. We killed Druushk with 35 or so, he was doomed whether the mechanics were working or not.

I did send a scout team to Tunare and she's still summoning all her pals, so that's obviously still working :p

[Kekephee]

Wrong - 100% serious and not ranty of flamey. Until the servers are fixed this issue merits serious discussion.

You are an insufferable piece of shit whose entire identity on this game and especially on this board is crafted around trolling. I refuse to take anything you say about anything seriously, ever, and although I'm not an officer and it's not my place to be addressing accusations against my guild, as a regular joe grunt in BDA with no authority or say or even really any knowledge of the workings of my guild's leadership, I absolutely will not address any accusation you claim to be making in earnest about my guild unless it's in RnF where I can respond to it with Christian rock links and intentionally weak arguments to encourage an equally intentionally weak response.

[Swish]

You are an insufferable piece of shit whose entire identity on this game and especially on this board is crafted around trolling. I refuse to take anything you say about anything seriously, ever, and although I'm not an officer and it's not my place to be addressing accusations against my guild, as a regular joe grunt in BDA with no authority or say or even really any knowledge of the workings of my guild's leadership, I absolutely will not address any accusation you claim to be making in earnest about my guild unless it's in RnF where I can respond to it with Christian rock links and intentionally weak arguments to encourage an equally intentionally weak response.

Kekephee wants this moved to RNF it seems. Why can't people be civil? Jeremy has been nothing but nice when I've seen him on red, he buffed me in CoM and kept me alive during some pvp without me asking or anything.

Anyway, off you go, think about what you said... and remember the BDA guild charter which you're breaking at the moment:-

Code of Conduct

Maturity
We expect a degree of maturity from all members of Bregan D'Aerth. We expect maturity both within the guild and outside of the guild. You will treat others with respect at all times. We do encourage playful banter; having fun is why we are here. However, you must use your own judgement and be careful not to cross lines.

Be kind to your fellow members and members of the server community.

Project1999 Forums
You represent Bregan D'Aerth while posting on those forums, and we expect you to act like an adult.

http://m5.paperblog.com/i/25/258089/why-the-naughty-step-does-not-work-L-h0D5tX.jpeg

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We could have killed all the warders and anything in ToV if we wanted to yesterday. But instead we decided integrity was more important than exploiting mobs. BDA, Rampage and anyone else who exploited mobs should be suspended. And kekephee should be banned.

[Kekephee]

I don't want it moved to RnF, I want RnF to not spread to real server chat. SUPER IMMATURE OF ME I KNOW

[xbo]

I don't want it moved to RnF, I want RnF to not spread to real server chat. SUPER IMMATURE OF ME I KNOW

The fact that you think you're in the right here is mindboggling

[Kekephee]

Red must be pretty boring for you three to be here on the blue boards trying to troll in server chat. Consider Blue

[Swish]

I don't want it moved to RnF, I want RnF to not spread to real server chat. SUPER IMMATURE OF ME I KNOW

Why post that message swearing and denouncing someone in server chat then? Quite hypocritical.

[Ella`Ella]

This is a server concern - it's not RnF. Unfortunately, most server concerns either originate or end up in RnF.

BDA has been blatantly exploiting dragon kills after being very well informed of the bug that exists. Whether or not BDA would have killed any target anyways is not a material consideration. The fact that BDA leadership knew there was a bug existing, witnessed trash mobs behaving irregularly and still went for top end loot-bearing content is despicable.

[Kekephee]

This is a server concern - it's not RnF. Unfortunately, most server concerns either originate or end up in RnF.

BDA has been blatantly exploiting dragon kills after being very well informed of the bug that exists. Whether or not BDA would have killed any target anyways is not a material consideration. The fact that BDA leadership knew there was a bug existing, witnessed trash mobs behaving irregularly and still went for top end loot-bearing content is despicable.

I'm so confused by how serious I know you're not being right now

[Ella`Ella]

I'm so confused by how serious I know you're not being right now

Let me simplify it for you.

Chest.

[feanan]

who cares. like a day or two of trivial/free loots matter on a server thats been in kunark for 4 years, and isn't moving past velious....ever

[Gecko]

Every opportunistic guild has been leveraging the aggro for easy loot

Fixed that for you, so it's more accurate.

[quido]

Nobody is trying to troll here except you, Kekephee. This is an issue for both servers, not just blue.

[Swish]

I trust BDA's guild charter means something to them and they'll act on this... unfortunate outburst.

[arsenalpow]

Rampage killed at least 3 raid targets (probably from NToV)
BDA killed Druushk
Omni/AG killed Gore
Taken killed Vindi

As its already been stated, no one was killing anything outside of their normal capacity. You didn't see BDA or Taken marching into NToV. If unbrella wants to troll BDA feel free to do it in RnF, server chat isn't the place for your sanctimonious horseshit.

[quido]

Your burgers are flaring up, BDA. I wasn't even trying to make this about BDA - this is a real issue and I hope we can get some input from the staff.

[Ella`Ella]

Rampage killed at least 3 raid targets (probably from NToV)
BDA killed Druushk
Omni/AG killed Gore
Taken killed Vindi

As its already been stated, no one was killing anything outside of their normal capacity. You didn't see BDA or Taken marching into NToV. If unbrella wants to troll BDA feel free to do it in RnF, server chat isn't the place for your sanctimonious horseshit.

Sanctimonious? This is an issue about you and your ilk exploiting an error in mechanics that was created while devs were trying to give you more accurate classic content. You're directly spitting in their face continuing to pursue raid content while you are well-aware there is an issue.

Rampage discovered the bug and Omni reported there findings. After that, there should have been no more activity on actual targets. I'm not trolling BDA, I'm illustrating the gross abuse of a mechanic you knew was flawed and continued to manipulate.

[arsenalpow]

Your burgers are flaring up, BDA. I wasn't even trying to make this about BDA - this is a real issue and I hope we can get some input from the staff.

The staff already provided input yesterday.

[Mon Sep 21 15:51:48 2015] Rogean BROADCASTS, 'We are aware of various issues with the latest patch. We are currently investigating and working to resolve them, and plan to patch fixes in the off hours. Please continue providing as much information as possible into the threads that already exist in the bug forums. Thanks.'

[Tuljin]

Wipe it clean

[Ella`Ella]

That's a bullshit defense and you know it.

[Monty405]

I am pretty sure the guy who cut me off on the way to the office was in BDA.

I am pretty sure the reason why I cannot hold a steady job is because my employer / boss is in BDA.

I am pretty sure the reason why I cannot maintain a serious relationship is also related to BDA.

[quido]

So that's all the staff needs to say, Chest?

What about whether or not they're cool with players killing broken content?

[Mead]

This is the kind of shit that doesn't allow staff to actually handle relevant CS issues. As already stated, this is really a non-issue except to the server trolls. Jeremy doesn't even play on blue anymore. Umbrella is bitter. Trying to tie up staff into some bullshit seems counterproductive. Give it up and move forward.

[quido]

I play red every day and the same issue applies there.

The staff could make this real easy with a little more input.

[Tuljin]

"Raid" content should break more often

The ensuing "EQ Addicts Anonymous" meetings are way more entertaining than actually playing the game at this point

[arsenalpow]

So that's all the staff needs to say, Chest?

What about whether or not they're cool with players killing broken content?

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but if the staff didn't want us to kill content they would have either taken the server down, or they would have specifically said so. Rogean had the opportunity to do both last night and inside provided only that broadcast. Additionally, ALL the raid guilds have continued to kill targets and the only people bleating about on the forums are trolls from the red server. How bout you go back to your dead server and 'croot' or 'goog' or whatever it is y'all do over there.

[Mead]

I play red every day and the same issue applies there.

The staff could make this real easy with a little more input.

Playing here since 2009 it still hasn't registered that they aren't required to answer to you.

[Swish]

Please continue providing as much information as possible into the threads that already exist in the bug forums

That mean anything to the guilds that raided yesterday? I don't see much in the bug forum. If that was a deal breaker, you didn't deal on it.

[Gaunja]

Figures. BDA is such a shit guild. Ban hammer plz

[arsenalpow]

But on red they're leaving the mobs up guys! Such integrity!!

No one else kills raid mobs on red besides empire

[arsenalpow]

That mean anything to the guilds that raided yesterday? I don't see much in the bug forum. If that was a deal breaker, you didn't deal on it.

How many times do people have to post the same note, dragons are not casting their AEs but they are still casting their normal spells as usual. So to be Druushk specific, he didn't AE us with his lightning bullshit, but he still tried to gate away.

[quido]

Playing here since 2009 it still hasn't registered that they aren't required to answer to you.

This isn't about me; this is about server integrity. Nobody is demanding answers. I'm simply stating it would be nice to get some input. It would clear this right up.

[Lojik]

Broken Dragon Axploiting?

[Era'viss]

Noob here. This whole thread is such a great example of how the top heavy server punishes newbs, and I honestly never felt it until now.

I had an awesome time last night with my limited play time. Grouped up in Frontier Mountains and got some great exp. All of that has a chance of being taken away because you all can't play nice.

At the end of the day, why is it such a big deal? Don't all you haters on this post have mountains of plat? Haven't you already "made it" in EQ? I promise there will be more dragons for you to kill.

To keep this from escalating to an all out nerd battle, maybe you could just disable the server until it's fixed. A roll back will affect a lot of people instead of your desired effect of taking away someone's new pixel toys.

[arsenalpow]

Noob here. This whole thread is such a great example of how the top heavy server punishes newbs, and I honestly never felt it until now.

I had an awesome time last night with my limited play time. Grouped up in Frontier Mountains and got some great exp. All of that has a chance of being taken away because you all can't play nice.

At the end of the day, why is it such a big deal? Don't all you haters on this post have mountains of plat? Haven't you already "made it" in EQ? I promise there will be more dragons for you to kill.

To keep this from escalating to an all out nerd battle, maybe you could just disable the server until it's fixed. A roll back will affect a lot of people instead of your desired effect of taking away someone's new pixel toys.

Hello new person, don't be fooled by the trolls from the red server. No one is arguing anything except for people that don't even play on the blue server. It's blatant troll bait from irrelevant people to attempt to rustle blue players.

[Era'viss]

Hello new person, don't be fooled by the trolls from the red server. No one is arguing anything except for people that don't even play on the blue server. It's blatant troll bait from irrelevant people to attempt to rustle blue players.

The tinfoil is strong here. :p

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The staff already provided input yesterday.

You needed a raid force to test if a mob was behaving correctly?

[Swish]

No one is arguing anything except for people that don't even play on the blue server.

As was previously pointed out, this is about the integrity of P99 and the guilds/players within it...we're all part of one community, and we all want to see this project shine. To do so, that apparently means using exploits to get dragon pixels and you seem to be supporting that.

More spin though please.

You needed a raid force to test if a mob was behaving correctly?

A raid force to test it and not feed back on it.

[xbo]

This is such an embarrassment for the project. Hope Rogean gets a moment to address it.

[quido]

I'm not advocating a rollback or anything here (or on red), but you do realize they could effectively roll back all the raid loot gains in a particular time frame without rolling everyone else back, right? As a new player just exping, I wouldn't worry about it.

[Mead]

As was previously pointed out, this is about the integrity of P99 and the guilds/players within it...we're all part of one community, and we all want to see this project shine. To do so, that apparently means using exploits to get dragon pixels and you seem to be supporting that.

More spin though please.



A raid force to test it and not feed back on it.

You used to be tolerable until you decided to engage in blue raid politics. Now you're just like that teachers pet annoying kid at school.

[quido]

You BDA people act like red players aren't playing the same game as you. News flash ya morans: this shit applies to red too. We don't need a separate thread.

Welcome to RnF

[Mead]

Welcome to RnF

Now the legit raid politics discussion can begin.

[quido]

If I had spoken in this thread the way BDA members did before it was moved to RnF, I would have been banned by Sikorsky in a matter of minutes.

You guys are incorrigible. Sploitin', trollin', swearin' - is there any scummy shit BDA won't do?

[arsenalpow]

As was previously pointed out, this is about the integrity of P99 and the guilds/players within it...we're all part of one community, and we all want to see this project shine. To do so, that apparently means using exploits to get dragon pixels and you seem to be supporting that.

More spin though please.



A raid force to test it and not feed back on it.

No one killed anything yesterday outside of their normal scope. I can't speak for Rampage but I'd assume they didn't do anything special for their kills either, just normal execution with less AEs than usual. We did our Druushk engage like we've done any other VP dragon.

However, you're implying that since the targets weren't operating at their normal level of difficulty that any guild that killed a target was "exploiting" when in reality those targets were going to die regardless if the dragons were operating at optimal levels. If anything the most egregious kill that I witnessed yesterday were the beacons of light in Omni taking Gore down with 28 (alongside AG) which isn't a 28 man raid unless you're bringing some serious wizard firepower.

[Swish]

You used to be tolerable until you decided to engage in blue raid politics. Now you're just like that teachers pet annoying kid at school.

I don't even know who you are, what's your IGN?

[bktroost]

No one killed anything yesterday outside of their normal scope. I can't speak for Rampage but I'd assume they didn't do anything special for their kills either, just normal execution with less AEs than usual. We did our Druushk engage like we've done any other VP dragon.

However, you're implying that since the targets weren't operating at their normal level of difficulty that any guild that killed a target was "exploiting" when in reality those targets were going to die regardless if the dragons were operating at optimal levels. If anything the most egregious kill that I witnessed yesterday were the beacons of light in Omni taking Gore down with 28 (alongside AG) which isn't a 28 man raid unless you're bringing some serious wizard firepower.

Did you miss the 28 man Sontalak? That had me laughing.

[arsenalpow]

Did you miss the 28 man Sontalak? That had me laughing.

What???????????!!!!!!

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What???????????!!!!!!

Dumbass

[Juevento]

The strange thing is that the Western Waste dragons (at least those in the ToV scar) aoe'd just fine. They did that small fire or cold + a dispel. Karkona would immediately fall directly through the world when engaged.

The Saparas, however, weren't doing that crazy rapid fire 1200 pt gravity flux (which didn't seem right in the first place).

Seems like mixed bag in terms of what mobs were affected and how.

[FatMice]

The strange thing is that the Western Waste dragons (at least those in the ToV scar) aoe'd just fine. They did that small fire or cold + a dispel. Karkona would immediately fall directly through the world when engaged.

The Saparas, however, weren't doing that crazy rapid fire 1200 pt gravity flux (which didn't seem right in the first place).

Seems like mixed bag in terms of what mobs were affected and how.

It is because they didn't go back to their initial spawn point. The bug hit every mob.

[Pokesan]

may justice find those with wickedness in their hearts

[bktroost]

What???????????!!!!!!

Easiest ST key on the server by far.

[Champion_Standing]

If I had spoken in this thread the way BDA members did before it was moved to RnF, I would have been banned by Sikorsky in a matter of minutes.

You guys are incorrigible. Sploitin', trollin', swearin' - is there any scummy shit BDA won't do?

BDA really sinking to new lows when this guy thinks u are bad

[Sikorsky]

If I had spoken in this thread the way BDA members did before it was moved to RnF, I would have been banned by Sikorsky in a matter of minutes.

I'll ban you any time you troll new players in the "Starting Zone", so Q fucking Q.

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Sikorsky can you clarify what hate speech is?

[AzzarTheGod]

BDA has been exploiting raid bosses for loot all day

This. Makes me sick at how every other guild did the right thing.

Rampage even posted bug reports, but BDA just silently took the bugged raids at face value and looted their ill-gotten gains without saying anything until they were called out on it.

Please rollback based on this.

[AzzarTheGod]

This is a server concern - it's not RnF. Unfortunately, most server concerns either originate or end up in RnF.

BDA has been blatantly exploiting dragon kills after being very well informed of the bug that exists. Whether or not BDA would have killed any target anyways is not a material consideration. The fact that BDA leadership knew there was a bug existing, witnessed trash mobs behaving irregularly and still went for top end loot-bearing content is despicable.

This.

Makes me really sick. Staff comment as Jeremy said would make everyone feel a lot better. Just some input on whether these ill-gotten gains were legal.

How could BDA have been testing any mobs as Rogean /broadcasted if they made no bug reports outside of 1 vague "ya ok heres your report" post over a day later.

While respectable civilized guilds entered into agreements to stand down and wait for a staff ruling.

[Juevento]

This. Makes me sick at how every other guild did the right thing.

Rampage even posted bug reports, but BDA just silently took the bugged raids at face value and looted their ill-gotten gains without saying anything until they were called out on it.

Please rollback based on this.

I'd love to see a list of what raid targets you think BDA killed. Give me specifics or go pound sand.

[quido]

I'll ban you any time you troll new players in the "Starting Zone", so Q fucking Q.

You shouldn't be allowed to moderate me given your bitchmade bias from blue.

[Man0warr]

Pretty sure BDA killed less raid mobs yesterday than Rampage, Taken, or CSG. Nice try though.

[Swish]

Pretty sure BDA killed less raid mobs yesterday than Rampage, Taken, or CSG. Nice try though.

If I was in BDA I'd probably say that.

[Huggz]

Hopefully Rogean is becomes so fed-up with p99 at some point that he actually just burns it down and starts it fresh.

[Traxan]

Thank you Staff. We know you will fix this and sh|t happens. As for the rest of you....

Have a cup of stfu.

[Era'viss]

Thank you Staff. We know you will fix this and sh|t happens. As for the rest of you....

Have a cup of stfu.

Agreed!

[radda]

who cares. like a day or two of trivial/free loots matter on a server thats been in kunark for 4 years, and isn't moving past velious....ever

[Pokesan]

its not about pixels...its about sending a message

[xbo]

You shouldn't be allowed to moderate me given your bitchmade bias from blue.

He deleted posts from RnF if you talk negatively about swish or redwjamz lol.

[oricalum]

From Eunoma to me a while ago.

Quote:
Hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

"fagnaros" is not acceptable

[Shjade]

Hopefully Rogean is becomes so fed-up with p99 at some point that he actually just burns it down and starts it fresh.

"Starts it fresh?"

Look around. If this server was discontinued and a new one started fresh with the same structure, these same people would go there and it would become this mess again, since the players are what make the environment what it is.

If he ever got so fed up with this place being the way it is, why on earth would he start it up again after shutting it down?

[xbo]

From Eunoma to me a while ago.

Quote:
Hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

"fagnaros" is not acceptable

Would you say the EverQuest spell Fay Gate is hate speech?

[Pokesan]

Would you say the EverQuest spell Fay Gate is hate speech?

yes, when used in a pejorative manner towards a person. there is no ambiguity to your meaning and most folks grow out of this cheeky non-clever bullshit in their teens

hope this helps

[quido]

Anyone who can't handle being insulted, no matter what the manner, is probably better off dead.

[Pokesan]

Anyone who can't handle being insulted, no matter what the manner, is probably better off dead.

what about people who whine about the rules constantly

[AzzarTheGod]

Sikorsky ol' pal what do you say about letting a few of us boys thrive unadulterated for a while as an experiment. Maybe we can get 10 more toxic players back on red99.

I know I'd love to be able to link EverQuest wizard spell gems and spell names from the p99 wiki again.

[Shjade]

Anyone who can't handle being insulted, no matter what the manner, is probably better off dead.

Anyone who can't handle the idea of not insulting people would probably benefit from reevaluating their life.

[Sostua]

Think the obvious solution to this thread is to remove the bonus xp from red, add a 1000% death xp loss so they spend more time playing and less time dreaming up creative posts on the forums.

[Faywind]

Think the obvious solution to this thread is to remove the bonus xp from red, add a 1000% death xp loss so they spend more time playing and less time dreaming up creative posts on the forums.

The boredom over on Red must be high. I guess it makes sense, EQ as a single player game is pretty boring...