New way to save the Earth

[fuji]

Tell me if you guys think this is a good idea and will make life easier.

When you wash dishes, you use hot water which uses lots of energy, dish soap that is bad for our water and needs to be processed at a treatment plant(more energy being used), a dishwasher which uses lots of power for an hour or even more and time to load, wash, pre-wash etc.

Now, what if you used paper plates, wooden utensils, and corn based cups, then just threw all that shit away in the recycling. Wouldn't this be better for the environment and you would have to clean anything.

Sure it wouldnt look nice when you have a fancy dinner with family, but for everyday use it sounds like a good idea to me.

[korrowan]

It would take way more energy to mass produce / recycle all that stuff not to mention all the harvesting of trees which do not grow instantly.

[fuji]

It would take way more energy to mass produce / recycle all that stuff not to mention all the harvesting of trees which do not grow instantly.

Well, it could all be composted and that whole "running out of trees" thing is a myth. Yes rain forests are being cut down around the world, but in america we have more trees now then we did in 1920. Trees are a renewable resource.

[Ihealyou]

Instead of recycling the corn cups, couldn't you eat them as part of dinner? Its green and delicious!

[korrowan]

Well, it could all be composted and that whole "running out of trees" thing is a myth. Yes rain forests are being cut down around the world, but in america we have more trees now then we did in 1920. Trees are a renewable resource.

Sure in America we torch everyone elses land for their resources because its by far cheaper. Importing paper products and wood products from all over the world to slightly decrease the amount of electricity use is nonsensical. Just throw some solar panels on the water treatment facility and its free.

[Peatree]

Why not use hemp instead of trees?

That could lead to a viscous endless cycle though...cause I'd make something to eat...eat it off my hemp plate...then smoke my plate....get munchies....make something to eat...eat of my plate...then smoke plate...

[Hasbinbad]

harvest tidal energy..

billions of gallons of water flowing day in and day out could power simple turbine arrays..

oh wait, that makes way too much sense, and doesn't allow oil corps to make cash..

[fuji]

Why not use hemp instead of trees?

That could lead to a viscous endless cycle though...cause I'd make something to eat...eat it off my hemp plate...then smoke my plate....get munchies....make something to eat...eat of my plate...then smoke plate...

You know that you dont get high off hemp right?

[xshayla701]

Vegetarianism is helpful to the environment.

[korrowan]

Vegetarianism is helpful to the environment.

Ya an unhelpful to anyone who wants a decent body.

[xshayla701]

Ya an unhelpful to anyone who wants a decent body.

lol dumb

[Droxx]

Vegetarianism is helpful to the environment.

How can that be? You're physically eating the environment.



























JK.

[Theldios]

harvest tidal energy..

billions of gallons of water flowing day in and day out could power simple turbine arrays..

oh wait, that makes way too much sense, and doesn't allow oil corps to make cash..

Technical Challenges
For ocean current energy to be utilized successfully at a commercial scale, a number of potential technical challenges need to be addressed, including:

•avoidance of cavitations (bubble formation);
•prevention of marine growth buildup;
•reliability (since maintenance costs are potentially high); and
•corrosion resistance.
Environmental Considerations
Ocean current energy technology project planning will need to consider species protection (including fish and marine mammals) from injury from turning turbine blades. Consideration of shipping routes and present recreational uses, such as fishing and diving, will be required when considering siting of the turbines. Other considerations include risks from slowing the current flow by extracting energy. Local effects, such as changes of estuary mixing resulting in temperature and salinity modifications, might affect species in estuaries.

[korrowan]

lol dumb

Not really. It would be nearly impossible to eat 185 grams of protein as a vegetarian which is what I need to build muscle. Oh and any man should not eat large amounts of Soy as it really fucks with your hormones. So therefore.. not dumb. Almost every vegetarian I know looks like shit and that is because they have ZERO muscle definition..imagine that.

[Itchybottom]

Vegetarianism is helpful to the environment.

Based on what, grain consumption to raise cattle? Beef isn't going anywhere, and unfortunately a lot of the grain used on cattle isn't for human consumption either; that's a bit of a problem with that side of the argument. Re-allocating the land doesn't help either, a lot of the grazing animals we farm are on ground that isn't ideal for even growing squash, much less legumes.

You want to help the environment? Make sure your garden has indigenous plants to the area, and let the "weeds" actually grow. Landscaping does a lot of damage to local ecology.

[xshayla701]

Not really. It would be nearly impossible to eat 185 grams of protein as a vegetarian which is what I need to build muscle. Oh and any man should not eat large amounts of Soy as it really fucks with your hormones. So therefore.. not dumb. Almost every vegetarian I know looks like shit and that is because they have ZERO muscle definition..imagine that.

By "decent" body I thought you meant not fat lol. if you want to be huge, of course you're going to have to take in large amounts of protein. I don't want to be a body builder, and I know how to take in the amount of protein I need (granted, I don't always, but that's not because I'm vegetarian, but for other reasons.) It's a diet choice and you can be fit as a male or female without eating meat.

[RapidScotch]

Why is everyone always attacking the veggies? I don't understand!

[Extunarian]

Why is everyone always attacking the veggies? I don't understand!

They attacked first:
http://www.podcastingnews.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/attack-of-the-killer-tomatoes.jpg

(And don't tell me they are actually a fruit. That's the tomato propaganda machine talking)

[guineapig]

They attacked first:
http://www.podcastingnews.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/attack-of-the-killer-tomatoes.jpg

(And don't tell me they are actually a fruit. That's the tomato propaganda machine talking)

They are a fruit :p

(You forced me to.)

[Spud]

Idea: just eat McRibs, no utensils required

Technical challenges: fingers may get messy

Solution: lick fingers

[McRib]

Idea: just eat McRibs, no utensils required

Technical challenges: fingers may get messy

Solution: lick fingers

^^ This....

[Abacab niggah]

Vegetarianism is helpful to the environment.

Not really.

You'd have to raze thousands upon thousands of acres of land to feed this nation alone based on a vegetarian diet. To put it in something that would make sense, to feed the world on a vegetarian staple we'd have to destroy the entire rain forest to produce enough legumes, grains, fruits, and vegetables to feed everyone meagerly.

Aside from the sheer amount of natural landscape being destroyed (which would put several plants and animals into extinction) you have to add in the "commercial" aspect of regulating massive vegetable farms. I'm talking billions of dollars thrown into genetic engineering, pesticides, forced reproduction etc. and if the amount of grain being produced doesn't kill an ecosystem the chemicals and "insect-resilient" plants will.

[Abacab niggah]

Adding onto it, we're not herbivores we can't go out in our backyard and munch on grass and tree leaves because we'd get incredibly sick and suffer malnutrition, so we're kind of forced to grow the strings of plants that are considered "edible" to us which would starve out a good portion of natural herbivores because they tend to be selective with food sources which in turn would harm carnivores.

[nalkin]

^ thats why i voted for you over hasbinbad in the rhetoric competition.

[nalkin]

Also I like to eat crustacean and fish... how is that for the environment?

[Abacab niggah]

Also I like to eat crustacean and fish... how is that for the environment?

Fish is legit cause they breed in the thousands, you could just pop up giant water tanks and raise fish and be totally self sufficient on that alone.

[Abacab niggah]

^ thats why i voted for you over hasbinbad in the rhetoric competition.

Haha well think of it like this, if all 6 billion+ people in the world were vegetarian/vegan the local flora in national parks would be rows and rows of grain so you could totally take your girlfriend on a nature walk to look at all that bare soil and dead corn stalks.

"Oh look honey! It's corn!"

[fuji]

Haha well think of it like this, if all 6 billion+ people in the world were vegetarian/vegan the local flora in national parks would be rows and rows of grain so you could totally take your girlfriend on a nature walk to look at all that bare soil and dead corn stalks.

"Oh look honey! It's corn!"

If everyone decided to eat "vegan" or "healthy" there would be enough fruits and veggies to feed them. Someone has to eat the trash.

[Abacab niggah]

The worst damage to the environment is mankind himself, we have no natural predators, we are one of the longest living species, we breed with no concern (no innate ability to stop as some animals do when they crowd their space) and we consistently change the landscape. In a few decades we'll be at 10 million, in a century well beyond that til we starve ourselves out cause of food shortages so essentially we're going to breed ourselves into extinction.

So if you really care about the environment buy a carton of Marlboro reds hang outside the middle school and hand them out, a little cancer by the age of 30 is a good way to equalize the population and prevent stagnation of critical ecosystems.

[Abacab niggah]

If everyone decided to eat "vegan" or "healthy" there would be enough fruits and veggies to feed them. Someone has to eat the trash.

They are called "Freegans" they only eat stuff you throw away, sometimes roadkill depending on how hardcore they are.

[Taluvill]

I think Aba already said this, but if everyone ate fish, we could sustain the worlds population 10fold.

[azeth]

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agree or disagree?

[Abacab niggah]

I think Aba already said this, but if everyone ate fish, we could sustain the worlds population 10fold.

If I spent the money on some huge zoo like aquarium and I raised something like shrimp or cod, basically anything that has a high-rate reproduction rate in a few months time I could have thousands of fish/crustaceans that I could harvest and cold store.

Basically with one good reproduction yield I could feed myself for a few years if I didn't overeat and used moderation, and I can repeat the process and be self-reliant.

[Bushwick]

In my opinion, the best argument for vegetarianism (or at least ethical omnivorism) is not an appeal to what is "natural", nor that meat is murder, but that the modern meat industry is appalling in its abuses. Factory farming is a hideous practice that subjects animals to the kind of suffering that would probably remove your appetite immediately if you had to witness it.

If you are not concerned with even the most basic levels of welfare for animals (fair enough, you ogre), consider the incredible over-use of antibiotics by the meat industry. Industry livestock receive more than 8 times the amount of antibiotics that human beings receive, and the vast majority of this is used on animals that are not yet sick. As a result, antibiotic resistance is spiraling out of control and for the first time in decades doctors are faced with human infections that simply cannot be controlled.

Not really.

You'd have to raze thousands upon thousands of acres of land to feed this nation alone based on a vegetarian diet. To put it in something that would make sense, to feed the world on a vegetarian staple we'd have to destroy the entire rain forest to produce enough legumes, grains, fruits, and vegetables to feed everyone meagerly.

I'm interested in knowing where you're getting this from. Livestock are themselves (mostly) vegetarian, and consume much, much more energy and water than they yield in the form of meat (thermodynamics and all). They are fed mostly corn, which while edible by humans, could also be replaced by other, more nutritious crops.

[Abacab niggah]

I'm interested in knowing where you're getting this from. Livestock are themselves (mostly) vegetarian, and consume much, much more energy and water than they yield in the form of meat (thermodynamics and all). They are fed mostly corn, which while edible by humans, could also be replaced by other, more nutritious crops.

Cattle are cattle bro, you could feed them styrofoam and they'd eat it, and yes they are herbivores but you're not really feeding them "quality" grain you're basically shoveling piss poor "bulk feed" down their throats to fatten them up for a higher yield.

The grain that cattle eat is grown on very hostile soil where most plants couldn't thrive, mostly very sandy, clay-like soils with little to no nutrients as most grains don't need that many nutrients to grow.

What I'm saying is the quality of land, and the quality of grain which would be used for human consumption is on a whole nother level than the over-milled patches of land that they grow grasses on just to fatten their herd up. The only ecological damage from cattle comes from runoff into streams and lakes which kills wildlife, but as for consumption of space?

That's hardly the case cause the space isn't even suitable to live on

[Abacab niggah]

Bushwick, my source of information comes from the fact I live in Indiana, one of the largest agricultural states for poultry and corn feed.

I will bet you a cool $500 that if given several seeds of fruits and vegetables that are meant for human consumption that you cannot grow them on the soil here without major reconstruction of natural minerals in the soil. Most farm plots used for cattle are so nitrogen depleted the only thing you can crow is feed corn and straw grass and that has to do with the soil composition.

So yeah man, $500 says you can't grow anything worthwhile out of the soil because of the clay like texture and the lack of several key nutrients (which is why it's used to grow grasses as bulk feed) so it'd be way off logic to state that utilizing the farm land here to grow orchards of fruit, or large fields of consumable vegetables would be more efficient than just growing bulk feed and placing cattle on it.

[Bushwick]

Cattle are cattle bro, you could feed them styrofoam and they'd eat it, and yes they are herbivores but you're not really feeding them "quality" grain you're basically shoveling piss poor "bulk feed" down their throats to fatten them up for a higher yield.

The grain that cattle eat is grown on very hostile soil where most plants couldn't thrive, mostly very sandy, clay-like soils with little to no nutrients as most grains don't need that many nutrients to grow.

What I'm saying is the quality of land, and the quality of grain which would be used for human consumption is on a whole nother level than the over-milled patches of land that they grow grasses on just to fatten their herd up. The only ecological damage from cattle comes from runoff into streams and lakes which kills wildlife, but as for consumption of space?

That's hardly the case cause the space isn't even suitable to live on

That sounds plausible. I'll drop the point because I'm really not interested in advocating world-wide or nation-wide vegetarianism. I simply think people ought to question how much meat is really necessary for their diet, and, if they decide to consume animal products, make informed decisions about the sources they acquire them from.

If you have a backyard and are really hardcore, consider raising your own chickens~

[Abacab niggah]

That sounds plausible. I'll drop the point because I'm really not interested in advocating world-wide or nation-wide vegetarianism. I simply think people ought to question how much meat is really necessary for their diet, and, if they decide to consume animal products, make informed decisions about the sources they acquire them from.

If you have a backyard and are really hardcore, consider raising your own chickens~

I was a proponent for a one-a-day drink that had all the vitamins and minerals needed as well as the recommended calorie, fat, and protein content.

[fuji]

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agree or disagree?

lol, what does that even mean?