8th Ring // Cloki

[Senies]

I want to be adult about this and the first thing i want to ask is the p99 staff to make rules for the 8th camp please to prevent further drama.

Next I would like to address the issue of Cloki and his rep for being understanding and patient as I'm sad to find out he's as petty as anyone else. Don't take my word for it screen shots will follow, and i would like to point now this isn't a "flame/rant" because i didn't post it in "flames and rants".

I think some people who say others are deflecting don't see to realize when they them self's are doing it.

But i will take a peace of advice from Cloki, to all the taken members i have been rude to That I am sorry, I let some members of your guild define my view of the persons personality and after thinking it over they including cloki are right i should need to see the person and be responsible for my own mistakes and i plane to.

So I start with a public applogy to Clorthos I'm sorry man I should not have let me being screwed over by a person i be leave was a taken member when I don't know if it was due to my encounters with them in the past. I'm am truly sorry man you were right I was wrong. PM me so we can talk. On this note i'd like to ask If a gm can move my 8th ring over to you. and ill just start over.

Next I'd like to talk to a taken leader about the other issues i've had with those wearing the tag in the past I have there names and will not discuss it here.

I know cloki has alot of friends and a good rep and I encourage all of them to help him out in this matter wither it be blind support or going over the ss's below really reading them thinking it over then talking to him.

I think we all need to take a step back for a moment, because when I did i saw the same old drama from live, but drama if not to serious is another aspect of the interactions of EQ, all the built in mechanics that made people need to interact with each other that lead to new friends from mundane actions like auctioning items @ ec tunnel or needing ports or a corpse summon or help to camp something could yield a new friend, how many of you have made a friend from these actions? I'm sad that was all gutted from live via automatic auctions in the bazzar or auto ports via pok book ports or mercenary party npc's or even the removal of losing your items and being naked when you die, because for me that killed the feeling of what EQ should be.

-Thank you for your time
Senies


Here is a complication for those who want the quick read.
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So here are all the ss's raw and in no order please enjoy.

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[tolinwiz]

So, basically, you're just confirming what a tool shed you are?

Thanks! (Didn't need another post though)

[Oleris]

http://i.imgur.com/MrW5mUX.gif

[wormed]

Is this guy for real? Concur with tolinwiz.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

comic sans? for realz?

[Ele]

I really did try to read this, but I still don't know what is going on.

[Sorn]

Senies, you are as long-winded as a constipated whoopie cushion and about as effective at producing anything other than a loud farting sound.

There were about a million better ways to handle this situation, but this post was not it. You have a really poor character. I do not approve.

[Kutsumo]

Man you started off pretty well with the apology and offer to ask a GM to move your ring, but you should have stopped there.

Those tells don't tell the story you think they do.

[gummab]

This would be a top notch troll post,but I think you're being serious.
can you pass along whatever you're smoking,seems a lot stronger than my Thai grass.

[Swish]

i want to ask is the p99 staff to make rules for the 8th camp please to prevent further drama.

etc etc

The server definitely needs more rules.

[4WOFURY]

Lolwut?

[Itap]

nobody is going to read all of that

[4WOFURY]

I think we've had a pretty good thing going at 8th ring - though I haven't been there the last two nights...

[-Catherin-]

http://i.imgur.com/bzTyAPS.jpg

[wormed]

http://i.imgur.com/bzTyAPS.jpg

Hahaha.

*slow clap*

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/bzTyAPS.jpg

yikes, I got flashbacks of autofire

[Mathwin]

Hey, I'm one of the two blackheart pirates guys from the night before last. We were both inside the fort killing firbrand when someone killed gloridain. As much of a weird situation as it was with the shaman and the monk and the questionable turn-in, we were content to let it play out and allow the GMs to figure it out - we're not about to mess with someone else's quest, even if there is a question about whose it should have been.

[arsenalpow]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llydq3iTT01qafrh6.gif

[Duelin]

I am that "Blackheart Pirate guy" and I was nowhere near the dwarf on that first night.

After I caught Whistlefoot going into the hut to do the turn in for Senies, I said something about it in /ooc. Senies responded to me saying that he was MQing the ring. I brought that up with the rest of the rollers and while we were discussing what to do, Senies looted the head and ran.

Afterward, I stayed in the fort to kill Firbrand and pick up a Dark Ember so the night wouldn't be a complete friggin waste of time. I didn't know the mob had been lost until Senies jacked the hand in from Taken the next night, totally class move btw.

My only part in this entire ordeal was sticking around the dwarf hut long enough to catch the MQ in the act. I did not deliberately disrupt the quest in any way that night or any night thereafter.

[Lexical]

I remember this guy from a couple of nights ago. Him and whistletoes(or w/e some iksar monk) or some other monk double spawn in the orcs at dwarf camp and almost kill all the dwarves. Senies loses scarbrow because he immediately pulls him back to the dwarfs. Senies wins the random, but then whistletoes comes and turns in the quest for him. When called out on it, Senies says it was for a MQ in OOC. Dude must be pants on head retarded.

[bktroost]

Listen, if you were a decent person this would not be happening. You have a history and reputation on this server of being self serving with your whistle buddy on Velious launch.
Cloki, however, has a reputation of being a server guardian. Leading pub raids, setting up the rolling system for 8th ring, being instrumental in the initial server rotation of systems past.

I am not so impressed by your giving up of the ring you acquired because it appears to me that you are being motivated by the desire to retaliate against Cloki more than to acquire pixels. You assumed giving up the ring would have bought you favor and a platform from which to mudsling.

This campaign is transparent and trite. I will not be coming back. This less than RnF quality entertainment.

[Senies]

Senies, you are as long-winded as a constipated whoopie cushion and about as effective at producing anything other than a loud farting sound.

There were about a million better ways to handle this situation, but this post was not it. You have a really poor character. I do not approve.

The same can be said for cloki's post in witch he hides a flame post in a apology post and suggests i get a perma ban for not tech breaking any sever rules, i would had broken them had a gm staff member set rules for the camp. but its ok man i know how people like there double standards. hypocrisy and blind devotion you sir have showed your just what your character is.

[Senies]

Man you started off pretty well with the apology and offer to ask a GM to move your ring, but you should have stopped there.

Those tells don't tell the story you think they do.

yes they do, i can read.

[Senies]

This would be a top notch troll post,but I think you're being serious.
can you pass along whatever you're smoking,seems a lot stronger than my Thai grass.

I wish i had some to be honest.

[Senies]

The server definitely needs more rules.

agreed

[Senies]

nobody is going to read all of that

I don't expect anyone to read any of it sadly.

[Senies]

I remember this guy from a couple of nights ago. Him and whistletoes(or w/e some iksar monk) or some other monk double spawn in the orcs at dwarf camp and almost kill all the dwarves. Senies loses scarbrow because he immediately pulls him back to the dwarfs. Senies wins the random, but then whistletoes comes and turns in the quest for him. When called out on it, Senies says it was for a MQ in OOC. Dude must be pants on head retarded.

As i told you i spawned in once killed it, then i spawned it agian and someone thought it would be a good ideal to spawn it on me agian thus killing me and who ever else, but you just kept blaming me for training, so have at it.

[Senies]

I am that "Blackheart Pirate guy" and I was nowhere near the dwarf on that first night.

After I caught Whistlefoot going into the hut to do the turn in for Senies, I said something about it in /ooc. Senies responded to me saying that he was MQing the ring. I brought that up with the rest of the rollers and while we were discussing what to do, Senies looted the head and ran.

Afterward, I stayed in the fort to kill Firbrand and pick up a Dark Ember so the night wouldn't be a complete friggin waste of time. I didn't know the mob had been lost until Senies jacked the hand in from Taken the next night, totally class move btw.

My only part in this entire ordeal was sticking around the dwarf hut long enough to catch the MQ in the act. I did not deliberately disrupt the quest in any way that night or any night thereafter.

Sure

[Senies]

Listen, if you were a decent person this would not be happening. You have a history and reputation on this server of being self serving with your whistle buddy on Velious launch.
Cloki, however, has a reputation of being a server guardian. Leading pub raids, setting up the rolling system for 8th ring, being instrumental in the initial server rotation of systems past.

I am not so impressed by your giving up of the ring you acquired because it appears to me that you are being motivated by the desire to retaliate against Cloki more than to acquire pixels. You assumed giving up the ring would have bought you favor and a platform from which to mudsling.

This campaign is transparent and trite. I will not be coming back. This less than RnF quality entertainment.

Based on that reply i know you didn't read it all, clokis guild rules state no one is to get involved in ooc/shout/flame and rants. then says its ok for him to do it since he didn't post it in the rants and flames section and tech he didn't break his own rules because of that technicality, but spirit of it of the guild rule is don't flame and rant at people at all anywhere or there will be a punishment handed out, and he started deflecting when i made this point and accused me of deflecting, its all in the ss's, tech i broke no rules don't be-leave me go read the foum rules agian. This is why we need set rules at the camp.

And that whole self serving thing? if i could i would ask everyone i was ever nice to, to come here and have my back as witnesses, you don't even cite any information a accusation with no evidence is what? ill save you the time googling it, "false allegations", and i can do it to here

"you are a dingo unless you produce an official document verified by a licensed zoologist certified that you are not a 100% dingo you can not complain if parents don't leave there baby's in a room with you" - John Oliver the Last week tonight.

And i'm done in this thread. peace

[drops the mic]

[Sorn]

Bless your heart. You drop that mic, sweetie, and don't ever let anyone tell you you aren't a special snowflake.

[Kushie]

A lot of words in this thread that I don't care to read. TL;DR Omni Scum right?


Agreed.

[Ciroco]

A for effort

[arsenalpow]

Cloki, however ... being instrumental in the initial server rotation of systems past.

Let's not revise history. Cloki was taking a RL afk, then came back and splintered off his own guild to get the most out of the rotation.

[Tuljin]

Watch out for those RnF gags guys, this whole being-a-guild-member-of-a-guild-on-a-16-year-old-elf-sim-emulated-server is srs bidness. This server is fucked.

[Daldaen]

Let's start with this.

You turn in head and fuck over someone else's ring war.

Your ring should be removed and given to the player who lost all their work on the ring war when you despawned the Garadain he spawned.

/thread

[Swish]

Let's not revise history. Cloki was taking a RL afk, then came back and splintered off his own guild to get the most out of the rotation.

Lets talk about history.

I liked the part where BDA threw Divinity under the bus by announcing "Divinity said they're no longer respecting the rotation", when actually it was BDA/Taken/Divinity in cahoots...or even that Divinity was a necessary 3rd guild to make the rotation collapse look more credible.

[ridiculousmoose]

Wow how did you guys not remove this tool long before this?

[Nibblewitz]

Wow how did you guys not remove this tool long before this?

You shut your mouth! Cloki is server hero!

[Blaza]

Someone tl;dr this for me, I'm bored at work but not that bored.

[xexbis0]

I think some people who say others are deflecting don't see to realize when they them self's are doing it.


Oh, the irony...

Also, if this clown doesn't end up with a ban, can you please perma-illusion him into an ugly ogre?

[jsre2]

What a dog act. Also your screenshots don't show anything other than your own delusions.

/good riddance

[Swish]

Next I'd like to talk to a taken leader about the other issues i've had with those wearing the tag in the past I have there names and will not discuss it here.


Hidden in the wall but good old Taken, stuck with that rep... officers need to sort out some of their members, or screen better in the app process.

[ridiculousmoose]

Hidden in the wall but good old Taken, stuck with that rep... officers need to sort out some of their members, or screen better in the app process.

What if thats the type of members they want?

[Swish]

Maybe it is, but they like to advertise with the usual rhetoric...

We have a friendly, social environment of mature players creating an 'in-game family' atmosphere.

We are currently seeking like-minded ambitious individuals who are drama-free, motivated and mostly looking to have a good-time whilst experiencing high-end content.

As I said, they need to screen better if that ad means anything to them more than just words on a recruitment page.

[Bill Tetley]

Let's not revise history. Cloki was taking a RL afk, then came back and splintered off his own guild to get the most out of the rotation.

Or maybe he didn't like your guild?

[arsenalpow]

Lets talk about history.

I liked the part where BDA threw Divinity under the bus by announcing "Divinity said they're no longer respecting the rotation", when actually it was BDA/Taken/Divinity in cahoots...or even that Divinity was a necessary 3rd guild to make the rotation collapse look more credible.

Divinity and Taken wanted tighter controls on the rotation from day one. BDA played mediator and we ended up with the first iteration that had blackouts. That first version ended up being modified because the small guilds would perpetually just wait at the top of the rotation list and only pick off the prime time window targets which forced BDA, Taken, and Divinity to get all their kills in crappy time slots.

The second version removed blackouts but added a freebie for when something spawned at a bad hour you could use your freebie and remain on top for the next kill, and if you couldn't get the next one you rotated down. The loophole in this system was that guilds would pick and choose targets to ally on (VS is easy, the list was 10 guilds deep - Gore was hard, it was 4 guilds deep) and only the guild at the top would rotate. This meant the guilds teaming up but staying separate on the lists were essentially double dipping as long as they minded their lockouts.

The third version that was proposed by BDA, backed by Taken and Divinity, and had the blessing of the staff, had caveats that required guilds to ally for all targets in a tier to prevent double dipping, and had stricter time frames in which you'd need to handle your business (dropped to 1 hour from 2). The initial gatekeeper targets for each tier were deemed unfair by Sirken and were eventually modified to be easier, but it didn't matter because every other guild rejected the proposal thus ending the rotation.

None of this is spin, it's all still archived on the Class R boards, but feel free to create your own scenarios where BDA or Taken or Divinity are the bad guys.

[Swish]

In no way did Taken or BDA want more pixels guys, it's everyone else being "greedy" and refusing to see sense.

The rotation collapse was premeditated by those proposals you guys put together. You wanted guilds to refuse because the end game was always having freedom to zerg down any dragon in a window... and the lockouts following the rotation collapse meant BDA and Taken rarely had to face off against each other.

Boy that worked out well for you guys didn't it? I don't think I could have written a set of rules better designed for 2 guilds to maximize their pixel haul.

Stay casual <3

[Nibblewitz]

Stay casual <3

Thanks Swish, we know you can't.

[Pokesan]

comic sans? for realz?

[arsenalpow]

In no way did Taken or BDA want more pixels guys, it's everyone else being "greedy" and refusing to see sense.

The rotation collapse was premeditated by those proposals you guys put together. You wanted guilds to refuse because the end game was always having freedom to zerg down any dragon in a window... and the lockouts following the rotation collapse meant BDA and Taken rarely had to face off against each other.

Boy that worked out well for you guys didn't it? I don't think I could have written a set of rules better designed for 2 guilds to maximize their pixel haul.

Stay casual <3

Except if it were about pixels we could have just never proposed a rotation in the first place and beat the brakes off the smaller guilds and maintained a 3 guild rotation. BDA lived through the drama that was TMO stomping everyone so we understood what it was like, we wanted a better way. BDA proved there was a better way when TMO had to take a two week vacation, so much greed. The rotation continually evolved to the point where it couldn't, but it's BDA and Taken's fault guys.

[Swish]

Yeah I get it, you managed to carve out your own tier on your own rules...and kept high enough zerg levels of membership to dictate to influence how the tier was going to work.

You guys were class C level but refusing to move up, that's all it ever was.

[arsenalpow]

Yeah I get it, you managed to carve out your own tier on your own rules...and kept high enough zerg levels of membership to dictate to influence how the tier was going to work.

You guys were class C level but refusing to move up, that's all it ever was.

Go ahead and define class C level for me.

[Corpsed]

Senies, after reading this I have a few questions:

Is your first language English?
Are you using a voice to text program?
Is your only argument that the guy posted a Rant/Flame, which is against his guild charter?

[Tuljin]

Go ahead and define class C level for me.

After a while it became plainly obvious that the only difference between C and R was access to VP. BDA had enough keyed toons to kill VP dragons for quite some time but instead hijacked the rules to turn R into "C Lite"

Now that no such bottleneck exists, any guild can kill anything in Velious. Even the small "Class R" guilds manage to kill pretty much everything.

I honestly wish I cared enough to stir up as much shit as Swish does cause it brings me joy to see exactly how the half-literate sociopaths who are "guild leaders" on this server explain and justify their ludicrous behavior. This server is completely fucked and its the "hardcore raid guilds" have shaped the completely fucking backwards and nonsensical approach to EQ that people are forced to adopt when they play here. The attitude of this server over the years has become absolute shit.

[Swish]

Go ahead and define class C level for me.

Is this where you say "oh, but we're a casual family guild that doesn't fit that framework!"

You're up in the same league as Rampage/Forsaken and you know it. I've seen and been impressed at the quickness BDA managed to engage Innoruuk. A well oiled raiding machine.. that's what I'd define a Class C guild as, and one with a lot of VP keys which you were able to easily bank up in your Class R time.

I think you'll choose to reinterpret what a Class R guild is. Is a Class R guild one with 40+ concurrent applications? Should a Class R guild be poopsocking with 30+ people before a mob spawns? Is that a sign of casual raiding? I don't think so.

The blue raid scene towards the end of Kunark was shit show designed for 2 guilds in C and 2 guilds in R. Sure, Class R had that 3rd window with BDA/Taken lockouts, but that was often for Omni/Europa/Azure Guard who were effectively splitting 1 slot between 3 and not particularly healthy for anyone.

The scene also stifled new guilds which often collapsed and saw BDA/Taken or Rampage/Forsaken picking up more applicants, and stifled new raid leadership as a result. Same old shit, same old leaders spewing the same old rhetoric.

I feel really sorry for anyone who applied to a zerg guild, probably not knowing that their first raid pixels wouldn't be for months of attending every single raid and watching them go to someone's 6th alt who rarely logs in.

BDA/Taken.... Class C guilds who choose to compete below their gear/key level. Very bad for the server's health. If a rigid class system emerges again I hope the GMs will refuse to allow you into the casual tier.

[Swish]

After a while it became plainly obvious that the only difference between C and R was access to VP. BDA had enough keyed toons to kill VP dragons for quite some time but instead hijacked the rules to turn R into "C Lite"

That's what I was trying to say, I wish I could get it out in a paragraph - thanks Tuljin :)

[Tuljin]

Lol both Swish and I were typing up a storm at the same time =)

[Tuljin]

Same old shit, same old leaders spewing the same old rhetoric.



Exactly this. Congratulations guys, this server fucking sucks, and you all have been at it HARD for....years.

Have fun, you "win"

[Kekephee]

Swish knows what he's talking about because he's never had a level 60 character and doesn't even play on Blue

[Swish]

Swish knows what he's talking about because he's never had a level 60 character and doesn't even play on Blue

You guys do batphones for the forum now? yikes

[Kekephee]

I feel really sorry for anyone who applied to a zerg guild, probably not knowing that their first raid pixels wouldn't be for months of attending every single raid and watching them go to someone's 6th alt who rarely logs in.


False. How do I know? Because I was one of those people who joined BDA immediately after the rotation formed.

[Pokesan]

Swish knows what he's talking about because he's never had a level 60 character and doesn't even play on Blue

Attack the ideas not the person

[Kekephee]

You guys do batphones for the forum now? yikes

As someone who clearly works an hour a day and spends the rest of his time on this page, you of all people should understand how it's possible for me to get home from a short day of work, open up a few pages, find this post, and correct you talking out of your ass.

[Tuljin]

You guys do batphones for the forum now? yikes

Lololol

I gotta give credit to BDA for allowing participation in RnF. The whole inception and wide adoption of the RnF gag is just fucking stupid. Its an online video game with a bunch of dorks who don't have actual PvP.

Gagged by a nameless, faceless hegemony. Yep, that's what I want when I play a videogame. Jesus

[Kekephee]

Attack the ideas not the person

Did that for like a year. Spin machine too strong, idiot information perpetuates itself through people like Swish who just read this board and think they've become educated on the inner workings of elf blue ninety super game

[Swish]

As someone who clearly works an hour a day and spends the rest of his time on this page, you of all people should understand how it's possible for me to get home from a short day of work, open up a few pages, find this post, and correct you talking out of your ass.

So personal. This is what you have to deal with when the other guy hasn't got a counter-argument.

[arsenalpow]

After a while it became plainly obvious that the only difference between C and R was access to VP. BDA had enough keyed toons to kill VP dragons for quite some time but instead hijacked the rules to turn R into "C Lite"

Now that no such bottleneck exists, any guild can kill anything in Velious. Even the small "Class R" guilds manage to kill pretty much everything.

I honestly wish I cared enough to stir up as much shit as Swish does cause it brings me joy to see exactly how the half-literate sociopaths who are "guild leaders" on this server explain and justify their ludicrous behavior. This server is completely fucked and its the "hardcore raid guilds" have shaped the completely fucking backwards and nonsensical approach to EQ that people are forced to adopt when they play here. The attitude of this server over the years has become absolute shit.
Nothing in Kunark is hard except for Hoshkar and maybe Gore on an off day. That's been the case for YEARS. When there was no rotation BDA still wasn't getting any kills in VP because of legalized training. So your next point, number of keys. How many is "enough" because you can kill the easy dragons with 12-18 level 60s with a perfect group composition but that's assuming you can get the tag cleanly and win the race to FTE. You can't make your point saying old content is easy and in the same post tell me BDA had enough keys to kill VP shit, the mitigating factor was always the level of competition. You had to have the ability to pull 24 solid players at the drop of a hat to compete in VP. That's actually still the case for PD and no one has called her except for Rampage in at least the last month.


Is this where you say "oh, but we're a casual family guild that doesn't fit that framework!"

You're up in the same league as Rampage/Forsaken and you know it. I've seen and been impressed at the quickness BDA managed to engage Innoruuk. A well oiled raiding machine.. that's what I'd define a Class C guild as, and one with a lot of VP keys which you were able to easily bank up in your Class R time.

I think you'll choose to reinterpret what a Class R guild is. Is a Class R guild one with 40+ concurrent applications? Should a Class R guild be poopsocking with 30+ people before a mob spawns? Is that a sign of casual raiding? I don't think so.

The blue raid scene towards the end of Kunark was shit show designed for 2 guilds in C and 2 guilds in R. Sure, Class R had that 3rd window with BDA/Taken lockouts, but that was often for Omni/Europa/Azure Guard who were effectively splitting 1 slot between 3 and not particularly healthy for anyone.

The scene also stifled new guilds which often collapsed and saw BDA/Taken or Rampage/Forsaken picking up more applicants, and stifled new raid leadership as a result. Same old shit, same old leaders spewing the same old rhetoric.

I feel really sorry for anyone who applied to a zerg guild, probably not knowing that their first raid pixels wouldn't be for months of attending every single raid and watching them go to someone's 6th alt who rarely logs in.

BDA/Taken.... Class C guilds who choose to compete below their gear/key level. Very bad for the server's health. If a rigid class system emerges again I hope the GMs will refuse to allow you into the casual tier.

The difference between a class R guild and class C guild was always the level to which a guild would dedicate itself to chasing targets. There's a massive difference between 3 class R targets in a weekend versus every class C, FFA, and VP target. I'm not sure why you don't comprehend that.

There could have been a rotation until the end of kunark if the other guilds had wanted to work out a proposal. Three guilds wanted tighter rules, the others didn't, so the whole thing went class C light. I didn't enjoy it, ask anyone that knows me; but I preferred that to the broken system that was being taken advantage of.

[Kekephee]

So personal. This is what you have to deal with when the other guy hasn't got a counter-argument.

Nothing personal about it. I can think you've been shrieking about BDA for months while having 0 idea what you're talking about, and acknowledge that you spend a lot of time on these boards and probably do something with limited hours for a job, without thinking less of you as a person, just like you can shriek about BDA for months while having 0 idea what you're talking about and not think less of me.

[Kekephee]

I mean ultimately isn't what you're doing just trolling blue server and stirring up shit so people will think the raid scene is worse than it is and go red? I just assume that's your goal

[Pokesan]

shriek about BDA for months while having 0 idea what you're talking about

you've clearly never done this yourself so you have no room to criticize others for it.

it's really quite fun to do. don't knock it til you've tried it! :cool:

[Swish]

The difference between a class R guild and class C guild was always the level to which a guild would dedicate itself to chasing targets. There's a massive difference between 3 class R targets in a weekend versus every class C, FFA, and VP target. I'm not sure why you don't comprehend that.

There could have been a rotation until the end of kunark if the other guilds had wanted to work out a proposal. Three guilds wanted tighter rules, the others didn't, so the whole thing went class C light. I didn't enjoy it, ask anyone that knows me; but I preferred that to the broken system that was being taken advantage of.

So poopsocking with 30 or more (seen that myself on Trak before you deny it) isn't really going to any length in the casual raid tier? I think you're delusional lol

[Champion_Standing]

Swish is a fucking retatd. Dude literally clings to Redwjamz for attention and is horrible at everquest.

I'm pretty sure most of the people watching Red are just there because they feel bad for the guy. I don't see how anyone could enjoy watching that pissy mumbling nerd, but I guess his reactions to anyone who he thinks might be insulting him are pretty priceless.

Swish doing a good thing imo.

[Swish]

I mean ultimately isn't what you're doing just trolling blue server and stirring up shit so people will think the raid scene is worse than it is and go red? I just assume that's your goal

Nope, this started long before I quit blue. I like Chest's revisionist history attempts but we were all there.

[Swish]

I'm pretty sure most of the people watching Red are just there because they feel bad for the guy. I don't see how anyone could enjoy watching that pissy mumbling nerd, but I guess his reactions to anyone who he thinks might be insulting him are pretty priceless.

Swish doing a good thing imo.

I support all the streamers. The fact that Hathaway streams a lot just means I can sometimes be found in there... same for Mycah, Burytoe, Serena, and the half dozen others.

[Kekephee]

So poopsocking with 30 or more (seen that myself on Trak before you deny it) isn't really going to any length in the casual raid tier? I think you're delusional lol

Some of us have fun sitting there talking to our friends in vent for a couple hours while we wait for the mob to spawn. You have to understand not everyone enjoys playing on a server with a low population where you make a post on the guild board that "the dragon is online" and "let's go get the dragon tomorrow around noon, it will still be there because all 100 people on this server are in this guild"


you've clearly never done this yourself so you have no room to criticize others for it.

it's really quite fun to do. don't knock it til you've tried it! :cool:

I shrieked about TMO and it wasn't that much fun

[Kekephee]

This is all dumb and irrelevant anyway, because isn't this supposed to be a Cloki thread? I don't have much to say about him, I think he's from Wisconsin

[Swish]

Some of us have fun sitting there talking to our friends in vent for a couple hours while we wait for the mob to spawn. You have to understand not everyone enjoys playing on a server with a low population where you make a post on the guild board that "the dragon is online" and "let's go get the dragon tomorrow around noon, it will still be there because all 100 people on this server are in this guild"


I'm not sure why you're bringing the red server into this, more spin please.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/1885964.jpg

[Pokesan]

I shrieked about TMO and it wasn't that much fun

it's more fun if the shrieking isn't justified.

[bktroost]

There could have been a rotation until the end of kunark if the other guilds had wanted to work out a proposal. Three guilds wanted tighter rules, the others didn't, so the whole thing went class C light. I didn't enjoy it, ask anyone that knows me; but I preferred that to the broken system that was being taken advantage of.

I heard that this thread had moved on to more relevant topics than OPs attempt at slandering and avoiding ban hammer.

So by this, does that mean that if Rogean ever deemed that certain mobs/zones were acceptable to be in a c/r/ffa rotation again that BDA would be willing/interested in going back to a rotation in R or stay in C.


This is not a question with any relevance to the current raid scene. I'm just curious if you think that with the VP and high value velious targets you guys have gotten recently that you would be strong enough to compete and do well if there was a class C again.

[Swish]

If he hasn't got to compete with Rampage/Forsaken, you know he'll choose not to.

[bktroost]

Go listen to 40-46 minutes into Sirken's last Europa stream. There at least one staff member that is not opposed to reinstating a rotation with VP in it.

[arsenalpow]

I heard that this thread had moved on to more relevant topics than OPs attempt at slandering and avoiding ban hammer.

So by this, does that mean that if Rogean ever deemed that certain mobs/zones were acceptable to be in a c/r/ffa rotation again that BDA would be willing/interested in going back to a rotation in R or stay in C.


This is not a question with any relevance to the current raid scene. I'm just curious if you think that with the VP and high value velious targets you guys have gotten recently that you would be strong enough to compete and do well if there was a class C again.

The end goal for every guild is the same right? Everyone wants to hit NToV dragons, First Brood Dragons, Tormax/Statue/AoW, Tunare, and Sleepers. That's the relevant Velious content for a top tier raider.

Currently only Rampage is getting that content on a regular basis. Forsaken has a few NToV kills from the first couple weeks but they've been mostly quiet since and it looks like they're going to try and reboot through dragon faction (they've been in HoT a few times) No one close to Rampage when you look at numbers, mobilization, and strategy. In a race they're going to win 95% of the time currently. Now that content is doable by a large portion of the guilds on this server assuming great turnout and perfect conditions, but at 5am Monday morning will you have 6 clerics and 3 warriors with a strong DPS turnout for Tormax? Rampage sure as fuck will.

That sounds an awful lot like Kunark doesn't it? We can "kill" the content but need the right opportunity. The season changed, but things really haven't changed. The requirement to even attempt the top tier content is going to be even higher than Kunark because you'll need more people to get the job done.

So to answer your question, I don't know yet. I know BDA has a plan and right now we're still in the early stages of Velious, we definitely need to get stronger if we want to go head to head with Rampage. So we haven't jumped to NToV targets aside from picking off the occasional Ikiatar or Eashen, and the city leaders have been spawning at times when BDA won't have the firepower to contest them. Also, it would depend on what mobs would be walled off to class C. Would it just be Sleepers? Because if so ya we'd still be class R just like any guild not named Rampage.

[Man0warr]

I heard that this thread had moved on to more relevant topics than OPs attempt at slandering and avoiding ban hammer.

So by this, does that mean that if Rogean ever deemed that certain mobs/zones were acceptable to be in a c/r/ffa rotation again that BDA would be willing/interested in going back to a rotation in R or stay in C.


This is not a question with any relevance to the current raid scene. I'm just curious if you think that with the VP and high value velious targets you guys have gotten recently that you would be strong enough to compete and do well if there was a class C again.

There's little reason for Rogean to re-enact tiered raiding with the amount of targets available.

The only thing Rampage goes for outside of Velious is Phara Dar, because they are already have their hands full with NToV and Sleepers Key mobs.

Everyone else has fallen into their own niche's based on their faction of choice and current gear progression. Some of the other big guilds have given up on some old world/Kunark content and don't actively track or seek them out (Talendor/Sev/Naggy/Vox/Maestro/Gore/etc).

There's always mobs to kill or activities to do. No one should get that worked up over losing a single raid target now that there are 50+ a week (not including 21 Vindicators and however many Lodizals).

[bktroost]

I think that goes to a higher question then because any time that there is one guild dominating content then we end up in that same situation that we were in with TMO dominating content.

I think the major difference is that Velious content is not race content like Kunark is right? I really am just speculating, but can a guild kill all the dragons in NToV before you get Zlandicar and some other first brood? If so, doesn't that leave Tormax and Dain and Idol available? All of those are things that most people can't handle and would be available to Forsaken, Rampage, Taken and BDA.

[bktroost]

I'm putting this in terms of an earthquake situation of course.

[Man0warr]

I think the major difference is that Velious content is not race content like Kunark is right? I really am just speculating, but can a guild kill all the dragons in NToV before you get Zlandicar and some other first brood? If so, doesn't that leave Tormax and Dain and Idol available? All of those are things that most people can't handle and would be available to Forsaken, Rampage, Taken and BDA.

No they can't, it would take hours.

But during an Earthquake/server restart Rampage wouldn't even go for NToV first. First Brood dragons are first priority - Taken/BDA/Forsaken/more casual guilds would have tons of time to kill content, even get a bunch of tries at stuff in NToV, Tormax, Dain, etc.

But we haven't had an Earthquake in Velious yet, and the one patch we had didn't repop most Velious targets just old world/Kunark.

So yeah more Earthquakes.

[bktroost]

Definitely need more Earthquakes to really see how that shakes out, but we are headed for one with this next patch, I'm sure. We are really close to needing a full restart. Every 42 days or so the game bugs out and it's getting to that here in the next few days.

[arsenalpow]

If he hasn't got to compete with Rampage/Forsaken, you know he'll choose not to.

Let's get one thing straight, no one is competing with Rampage right now. They physically broke Forsaken over their knee after the first few weeks of Velious. I mean BDA beat Forsaken to a Nexona kill in VP the other day. It's the end of days!

Rampage is rolling sometimes 70 deep at American prime time when they're going after big ticket dragons in NToV. Taken and BDA roll with probably something like 30-50 depending on the raid and how long you give us to mobilize. You're only getting 24-30 BDA on a batphone, barely 24 if it's a weird time of the day for us. Forsaken probably runs close to that range too, but they're better geared from being in VP for years prior.

Asgard runs with less than those 3, but are super sharp at Kunark targets when given enough prep time. Their Trak kill last Friday was ballsy and successful. After that you see HK in HoT with maybe 30 max but that's the only thing I've seen them do.

Divinity only comes out for WToV trash and WToV dragons based on my experience with them, but they get between 30 and 40 when they prep ahead of time.

I have no idea what Gimpatron is doing. I haven't seen them at any of our Velious, Kunark/old world, or VP targets. I'm sure they still run pretty deep when you have three guilds.

So, back to the point, no BDA isn't ready to compete with Rampage. Our current competition is Rampage on a few VP targets when they care, Taken sometimes, Asgard sometimes, and Forsaken when they get their shit back together and start contesting targets again.

[Daldaen]

I'm putting this in terms of an earthquake situation of course.

These don't exist in Velious apparently.

We have yet to have a sim repop. We had 1 server reset and it occurred at like 6AM.

The problem with server resets right now is they put Velious mobs as 0-24 hour window up-times. Meaning they aren't immediately spawned on server up like Kunark mobs are. Also with the 16-hour variance that plagues almost every raid mob on the server, these spawn times are spread out hugely, allowing a guild with a deep roster and around the clock mobilization + good pullers the ability to contest every single mob.

Less variance, more sim repops would make for a more classic raid environment.

[Swish]

Let's get one thing straight, no one is competing with Rampage right now. They physically broke Forsaken over their knee after the first few weeks of Velious. I mean BDA beat Forsaken to a Nexona kill in VP the other day. It's the end of days!

Rampage is rolling sometimes 70 deep at American prime time when they're going after big ticket dragons in NToV. Taken and BDA roll with probably something like 30-50 depending on the raid and how long you give us to mobilize. You're only getting 24-30 BDA on a batphone, barely 24 if it's a weird time of the day for us. Forsaken probably runs close to that range too, but they're better geared from being in VP for years prior.

Asgard runs with less than those 3, but are super sharp at Kunark targets when given enough prep time. Their Trak kill last Friday was ballsy and successful. After that you see HK in HoT with maybe 30 max but that's the only thing I've seen them do.

Divinity only comes out for WToV trash and WToV dragons based on my experience with them, but they get between 30 and 40 when they prep ahead of time.

I have no idea what Gimpatron is doing. I haven't seen them at any of our Velious, Kunark/old world, or VP targets. I'm sure they still run pretty deep when you have three guilds.

So, back to the point, no BDA isn't ready to compete with Rampage. Our current competition is Rampage on a few VP targets when they care, Taken sometimes, Asgard sometimes, and Forsaken when they get their shit back together and start contesting targets again.

Stop squirming... would you go to C or R if there were was a Kunark style split?

[Man0warr]

He already said it depends on what is Class C exclusive. If it's just Sleepers, then BDA would probably stay R.

[Swish]

(Repops) don't exist in Velious apparently.

Is that really Daldaen having a dig at Rogean? I thought you had GM status on beta.

[bktroost]

Less variance, more sim repops would make for a more classic raid environment.

That, my friend, is something everyone agrees on.


I don't understand why Forsaken has not done well. Gimpatron was approached by three different competitive guilds for a straight alliance with us against Rampage and then when we tried to test it out to see if they could work with us they were like "yeah please bring your 50 people to our 24 hour competition, but we won't consider you equals and let you have a equivalent share at loot. There will always be items that we want and won't allow you to have a chance at."

In my opinion, I appreciate BDA in the respect that you guys haven't playing any snake-like tricks like that. I legitimately think that people working together in good faith can get anything they want on this server, rampage or no rampage. But being a snake and using people is so not the way.


BDA/Taken could be a super huge thing... just saying =-)

[bktroost]

He already said it depends on what is Class C exclusive. If it's just Sleepers, then BDA would probably stay R.

Sirken made mention in very low details that it could possibly be Sleeper and ToV exclusive.

[Man0warr]

Sirken later said he doesn't see the need as of now for a new Class system either (when he answered a separate question if it was in the works), just that he wouldn't be against it.

I don't understand why Forsaken has not done well.

Because Forsaken is pretty much Detoxx + leftover FE + all the lower skilled players that the last iteration of TMO mass recruited leading up to Velious. Everyone else has either gone Red and joined Empire, joined Rampage, or gone back to their old Class R guilds.

[maurilax]

These don't exist in Velious apparently.

Less variance, more sim repops would make for a more classic raid environment.

who can I throw my money at?

[Juevento]

Lololol

I gotta give credit to BDA for allowing participation in RnF. The whole inception and wide adoption of the RnF gag is just fucking stupid. Its an online video game with a bunch of dorks who don't have actual PvP.

Gagged by a nameless, faceless hegemony. Yep, that's what I want when I play a videogame. Jesus

Best post in this thread.

[Ella`Ella]

I know BDA has a plan

Is your plan to continue to get shit on for another 4 years?

[captnamazing]

Is your plan to continue to get shit on for another 4 years?

like u on red? tmo couldnt handle blue competition and had to flee to the dead server, still getting fucked. lol

[Anichek]

Less variance, more sim repops would make for a more classic raid environment.

Truth.

[Juevento]

Is your plan to continue to get shit on for another 4 years?

Oh look everyone, a non-factor thinks he's still a factor.

[Gimp]

like u on red? tmo couldnt handle blue competition and had to flee to the dead server, still getting fucked. lol

He joined Empire, who I makes it even funnier

[Kekephee]

Is your plan to continue to get shit on for another 4 years?

Just gonna hand it to us like that, huh?

[Oleris]

server shutdown should happen soon. Sirken said after 40-42 days the server goes haywire and requires a full reset..... so should be any day. Sirken said he doesn't know if quakes will happen again, but will pester Rogean when he is playing CS:GO to do 1.

[Gimp]

Which*

Fuck autocorrect

[arsenalpow]

Is your plan to continue to get shit on for another 4 years?

It's story time kids!

BDA walked into HoT a couple Friday's ago to farm some trash and Forsaken was there with about 30 people. Detoxx asked me if we wanted to north/south split the wing. I declined. He then got angry and said I was being difficult. That he had no trouble splitting things with Asgard or Taken or HK and that BDA is just being a jerk. I again passed and explained that I don't consider Forsaken a fresh entity, that they're still TMO as far as I'm concerned and that they have zero equity when it comes to guild relations.

Suddenly I get a tell from Unbrella who wants to negotiate on Forsaken's behalf to work out some ground rules for sharing HoT. I then explained to Unbrella why this wasn't going to happen. Lt. Aldo Raine wanted to make sure Hans Landa never took off that uniform, just like I'm not going to pretend is some new raid entity that never did anything wrong. My terms were Forsaken could leave HoT and then we could maybe start from there, but at that moment they had zero equity with BDA.

Shockingly, unbrella then ask if we'd like to joint raid with forsaken! Maybe we could alternate loot! Now ain't that some shit. TMO asking me if I wanted to joint raid with them. That's where Forsaken is at, asking BDA to team up.

[kaev]

Lololol

I gotta give credit to BDA for allowing participation in RnF. The whole inception and wide adoption of the RnF gag is just fucking stupid. Its an online video game with a bunch of dorks who don't have actual PvP.

Gagged by a nameless, faceless hegemony. Yep, that's what I want when I play a videogame. Jesus

I've always thought that being comfortable enough in your own skin to step casually into RnF is a solid feature that speaks well of a guild's membership.

So many uptight people on this server. What are the rest of you raid big raid guilds hiding? Are you really that fearful of being embarrassed by what your leaders and the rest of your members might say in public? Will you implode in a paroxysm of drama and angst if you don't keep all your worker bees under the queen's thumb 24x7?

[Rararboker]

Lol. BDA talking shit about anyone.

[Gimp]

BDA caught shit from TMO for years, and now they're just as competitive as the "new" TMO. Can't blame em for rubbing it in.

[Rararboker]

Oh but I can. Was in <Indignation> and had to deal with both groups. No real difference between the two. Group he's is talking about are definitely not like what he is making them out to be.

[FatMice]

I have been on this server for about a year now. I have not personally been through the history of the server most of the previous posts are touching on, but I want people to who read this and other posts made by the previous posts to make their own in-game experience decisions and not base the posts made here in Rants and Flames. I can tell you that Rants and Flames has come a long way since I started here.

Swish, as a previous poster stated, your rhetoric is getting old. Let people discover the game and the people for themselves. I know I have. As you have continued posting, I am seeing that you clearly need to relax a bit. You may have been burned by a few of the people on this server, but I recommend you take a break.

Chest, I respect your posts in this thread. To me, it is clear that you have a handle on your agenda and are very aware of what you need to better your guild. As most guild leaders on this server are; all trying to better their guild and members. After all, as any type of raiding guild we all want loot and to kill dragons. To me the competition is healthy. To all the haters out there; this is a good thing.

Shout out to Rararboker, I don't know your in-game name/forum name, but I was also in Indignation before we broke up. Good times.

Lastly, I wish the community would let bygones be bygones. I believe it would be the healthiest thing for the server.

Note. I am posting in this thread because to me it is less a Rant and Flame and has moved to a Server Chat type of thread.

[Swish]

I have been on this server for about a year now. I have not personally been through the history of the server most of the previous posts are touching on, but I want people to who read this and other posts made by the previous posts to make their own in-game experience decisions and not base the posts made here in Rants and Flames. I can tell you that Rants and Flames has come a long way since I started here.

Swish, as a previous poster stated, your rhetoric is getting old. Let people discover the game and the people for themselves. I know I have. As you have continued posting, I am seeing that you clearly need to relax a bit. You may have been burned by a few of the people on this server, but I recommend you take a break.

Chest, I respect your posts in this thread. To me, it is clear that you have a handle on your agenda and are very aware of what you need to better your guild. As most guild leaders on this server are; all trying to better their guild and members. After all, as any type of raiding guild we all want loot and to kill dragons. To me the competition is healthy. To all the haters out there; this is a good thing.

Shout out to Rararboker, I don't know your in-game name/forum name, but I was also in Indignation before we broke up. Good times.

Lastly, I wish the community would let bygones be bygones. I believe it would be the healthiest thing for the server.

Note. I am posting in this thread because to me it is less a Rant and Flame and has moved to a Server Chat type of thread.

Good luck with your BDA application. Personally I don't like people who try to rewrite the shit they put the smaller guilds through. Moonlight Crusaders collapsed and other guilds were affected too.

As Chest would have it, they did EVERYTHING they could to preserve that rotation despite putting out shitty proposals for change. Fair enough, but lets not paint BDA as the saviors of the server... they're absolutely not that, at all.

The only reason they had "the power" was because of zerg numbers...same for Taken.

People laugh about Empire having a lot of control over raid content on red... while they apply to BDA or Taken here.

The best raid experiences aren't those which use way more than is necessary to kill something, are they?

[Archalen]

I then explained to Unbrella why this wasn't going to happen. Lt. Aldo Raine wanted to make sure Hans Landa never took off that uniform, just like I'm not going to pretend is some new raid entity that never did anything wrong. My terms were Forsaken could leave HoT and then we could maybe start from there, but at that moment they had zero equity with BDA.


http://i.imgur.com/1Rw4SEC.jpg

[captnamazing]

http://i.imgur.com/1Rw4SEC.jpg

lol

[Anichek]

http://i.imgur.com/1Rw4SEC.jpg

1/10. Should say "TMO" as that is the original clothing. LEARN TO RNF, ARCH.

[Kekephee]

Good luck with your BDA application. Personally I don't like people who try to rewrite the shit they put the smaller guilds through. Moonlight Crusaders collapsed and other guilds were affected too.

As Chest would have it, they did EVERYTHING they could to preserve that rotation despite putting out shitty proposals for change. Fair enough, but lets not paint BDA as the saviors of the server... they're absolutely not that, at all.

The only reason they had "the power" was because of zerg numbers...same for Taken.

People laugh about Empire having a lot of control over raid content on red... while they apply to BDA or Taken here.

The best raid experiences aren't those which use way more than is necessary to kill something, are they?

Didn't we move past having to post the numbers for every fucking kill we do to show that we're doing things with the same number of people as every other guild like years ago? Because we did, and I could sit here giving you "yeah we killed Hoshkar with 30 Trakanon with 30 Gozz with 27 blah blah blah" all fucking day but why would I when this "BDA are zerg" argument was flushed down the toilet two years ago?

[Susvain2]

embrassed for the whole server at this point

what is wrong with you guys

playing red server is like getting laid everyday, playing blue is like being a 55 year old bald virgin

couldn't be anymore accurate

[TMBLOW]

playing red server is like getting laid everyday, playing blue is like being a 55 year old bald virgin



If you are referring to self masturbation as 'getting laid' then sure Red emulates that perfectly since there is no one else around to help you get off

agreed

[Teako]

Playing red server is like getting laid every day by someone with violent tourettes and you're always begging them to either spit first or stop.

Nobody likes your pretend emu custom server. Go home, you aren't playing real 1999 eq.

[Swish]

Didn't we move past having to post the numbers for every fucking kill we do to show that we're doing things with the same number of people as every other guild like years ago? Because we did, and I could sit here giving you "yeah we killed Hoshkar with 30 Trakanon with 30 Gozz with 27 blah blah blah" all fucking day but why would I when this "BDA are zerg" argument was flushed down the toilet two years ago?

I'm only looking at the numbers... 40+ for applicants/trialists, how many active raiders do you have? Can I see your attendance records? Are you going to try and tell me you're now an <A-Team> style guild that downs targets with minimal numbers?

[Swish]

Nobody likes your pretend emu custom server.

Rogean I'd ban this guy, you and Nilbog along with the rest of the devs are doing fine work and we're all looking forward to the discord server. This criticism is unwarranted, I suggest Teako donates to the project to absolve himself from these sins.

[Kekephee]

I'm only looking at the numbers... 40+ for applicants/trialists, how many active raiders do you have? Can I see your attendance records? Are you going to try and tell me you're now an <A-Team> style guild that downs targets with minimal numbers?

So your answer to the question "haven't we moved past this, I really don't want to have to sit here looking up all of our numbers and giving them to you just because you refuse to accept the number of times we've had this fucking conversation and it's ended in us posting the numbers that clearly show us doing the same shit with the same numbers as everyone else" is "show me the numbers again"

[Swish]

Sorry that you're mad about this, but you can't deny BDA's history or application numbers. I take it you're not going to tell me you're a guild that tries to conquer content with low numbers and that I can't see your attendance records. That's fine, because you're a high membership guild who welcomes as many people who want to raid as possible... thereby often making it a zerg, and pointing to Taken and saying "they're zerging too" isn't an excuse - I'd say the same to them.

Come back when you've calmed down.

[Kekephee]

Tell you what, I'll post some numbers if I have a sworn guarantee that you will shut the fuck up about BDA being a zerg for the rest of time and that I never have to do this again because I really can't stress enough how tired I am of it

[Kekephee]

And if you don't accept that offer it's tantamount to you admitting defeat and I will screenshot it and post the screenshot every time you bring this bullshit up again

[captnamazing]

Keke just ignore swish and live a happier life

[Kekephee]

I will be happier when people are more interesting on RNF and the first step to people being more interesting on RNF is to kill this tired old troll

[Swish]

I can understand that threads like these probably hurt recruitment numbers... I mean its difficult to get a piece of raid loot when there's 5-6 others of your class on the raid and you just finished your trial.

Close recruitment and I'll drop the subject, short of that... you're a zerg guild with plenty of people on the batphone list, and no number is too high if 60/70/80 people choose to log in.

[Kekephee]

(The tired old troll is this shit about us being a zerg, not Swish, I'm not saying someone should kill Swish)

[Kekephee]

I can understand that threads like these probably hurt recruitment numbers... I mean its difficult to get a piece of raid loot when there's 5-6 others of your class on the raid and you just finished your trial.

Close recruitment and I'll drop the subject, short of that... you're a zerg guild with plenty of people on the batphone list, and no number is too high if 60/70/80 people choose to log in.


lol pathetic

[Swish]

I think that's a fair offer.

So you're saying you think BDA isn't big enough and you need more raiders than you currently have?

[Kekephee]

I think that's a fair offer.

So you're saying you think BDA isn't big enough and you need more raiders than you currently have?


The fact that in the last three days we killed multiple dragons with ~30 shows a) you are wrong about us being a zerg, b) we have room in the guild for more. I don't care if 1000 people are applying, not all of them will get in, and they won't all raid every day. It's pretty simple. You've reached the end of this line of reasoning and I command you to find something else to troll about so I don't have to be this fucking bored ever again.

[Swish]

Oh you're doing VP dragons with less people who are Velious geared? I'm so impressed.

I'll attribute those low numbers to a lack of VP keyed members... because if everyone was keyed we all know that "~30" would be more like "~80", lets not pretend otherwise.

[Kekephee]

Here are our numbers from our big kills the last three days or so:

Gozzrem: 29
Trak: 31
Gorenaire: 37
Hoshkar: 35
Silverwing: 30

This is a definitive conclusion to the bullshit argument that BDA is a zerg. Any further boring fucking trolls about us being a zerg will simply be answered with a picture of this post. Please God find something more fun to be wrong about, Swish.

[Kekephee]

Oh you're doing VP dragons with less people who are Velious geared? I'm so impressed.

I'll attribute those low numbers to a lack of VP keyed members... because if everyone was keyed we all know that "~30" would be more like "~80", lets not pretend otherwise.

We have Trak teeth in the bank because there are so few of our members who aren't VP keyed (I'm one of them)

Next

[arsenalpow]

min level requirement to app is 51, currently 10 people going through the app process

08-31-15 Gorenaire Kill 38
08-31-15 Druushk Kill 34
08-31-15 Druushk Attempt 27
08-30-15 Cazic Thule Kill 58
08-30-15 Cazic Thule Attempt 48
08-30-15 Sontalak Attempt (With Taken) 52
08-30-15 Trakanon 37
08-30-15 Phara Dar Attempt 30
08-30-15 Hoshkar Kill 38
08-30-15 Xygoz Kill 33
08-28-15 Derakor the Vindicator Kill 33
08-28-15 Halls of Testing Clear 57
08-27-15 Trakanon Kill 38
08-27-15 Nexona Kill 31
08-27-15 Velketor the Sorcerer Attempt 50
08-27-15 Derakor the Vindicator Kill 60
08-26-15 Derakor the Vindicator AM Attempt 28
08-26-15 Plane of Fear Clear 21
08-25-15 Gorenaire Kill 37
08-25-15 Derakor the Vindicator Kill 41
08-25-15 Telkorenar AM Attempt 25
08-25-15 Telkorenar Div Coop Kill 39
08-24-15 Trakanon Attempt 26
08-23-15 Xygoz Kill 31
08-23-15 Noble Djorn Kill 17
08-23-15 Wuoshi Attempt 29
08-23-15 Silverwing Kill 21
08-23-15 Hoshkar Attempt 43
08-23-15 Lady Vox Kill 43
08-22-15 Derakor the Vindicator Kill 63
08-21-15 Trakanon Attempt 26
08-21-15 Halls of Testing Clear 52
08-20-15 Derakor the Vindicator Kill 52
08-20-15 Nexona Kill 35
08-19-15 Derakor the Vindicator PM Attempt 65
08-19-15 Derakor the Vindicator AM Attempt 26
08-19-15 Velketor the Sorcerer Attempt 27
08-19-15 Gozzrem Kill 54
08-18-15 Trakanon Attempt 29
08-18-15 Derakor the Vindicator AM Attempt 34
08-16-15 Halls of Testing Clear 63
08-16-15 Wuoshi Kill 45
08-16-15 Derakor the Vindicator Kill 45
08-15-15 Derakor the Vindicator PM KILL 36
08-15-15 Trakanon Attempt 22
08-14-15 Halls of Testing Clear 56
08-13-15 Nexona Kill 33
08-12-15 Velketor the Sorcerer Kill 39
08-12-15 Derakor the Vindicator Attempt 37
08-12-15 Halls of Testing Clear 62
08-12-15 Derakor the Vindicator AM Kill 36
08-11-15 Lord Bob Kill 54
08-11-15 Gozzrem Kill 42
08-10-15 Gozzrem Attempt 37
08-10-15 Telkorenar Kill 51
08-10-15 Innoruuk Kill 36
08-10-15 Halls of Testing Clear 56
08-09-15 Faydedar Repop Kill 34
08-09-15 Derakor the Vindicator PM KILL 57
08-09-15 Derakor the Vindicator AM KILL 59
08-09-15 Velketor the Sorcerer Kill 55
08-08-15 Halls of Testing Clear 49
08-07-15 Halls of Testing Clear 55
08-06-15 Plane of Growth Clear 56
08-05-15 Halls of Testing Clear 49
08-05-15 Derakor the Vindicator PM Attempt 65
08-05-15 Derakor the Vindicator Kill 44
08-04-15 Derakor the Vindicator Attempt 65
08-03-15 Derakor the Vindicator PM Attempt 76
08-03-15 Velketor the Sorcerer 97
08-03-15 Hoshkar Attempt 37
08-03-15 Phara Dar Attempt 37
08-03-15 Lord Bob 97
08-03-15 Plane of Growth Clear 70
08-02-15 Avatar of War Attempt (With Taken) 117
08-02-15 Derakor the Vindicator PM Kill 114
08-02-15 Wuoshi Kill 72

You'll notice the crazy high numbers the first few days of velious, raids like Derakor or HoT have higher numbers than batphone kills typically because we'll be in the same spot for a few hours and the raid slowly grows. We average 30-40 on most kills though. ZERG RUSHING SO HARD

[Swish]

We have Trak teeth in the bank because there are so few of our members who aren't VP keyed (I'm one of them)

Next

Really? Interesting... how did you accumulate all those teeth? By tuning and exploiting the Class R raid system for your own ends. The whole BDA + Taken never having to compete was a masterclass in stitching up the system to gather as much as you could for yourselves.

Wouldn't it be nice if smaller guilds had VP access and could raid in there with you? How about taking a leaf out of Cloki's book and offering a "tag along" event for those who are keyed but whose guilds can't attend because they never had the chance to zerg down Trakanon in 5 seconds?

[arsenalpow]

We have Trak teeth in the bank because there are so few of our members who aren't VP keyed (I'm one of them)

Next

Shit, that last kill resulted in the first ever "banked" Trak teeth in BDA history. We generally only award them to people who are close to finishing the quest. Still, we have enough active raiders to pull between 24 and 30 in VP which is enough to kill anything but Hoshkar consistently (or maybe Xygoz when you don't push him, herp derp)

[captnamazing]

Haha swish is trolling u guys hard. He doesn't care about BDA, just like he doesn't care at all about Red Server. At this point he's just the acid reflux of the forumquest community

[Swish]

Haha swish is trolling u guys hard. He doesn't care about BDA, just like he doesn't care at all about Red Server. At this point he's just the acid reflux of the forumquest community

Go and write us another story, would you?

http://entretenimento.r7.com/blogs/andre-barcinski/files/2015/06/hipster-1.jpg

[Kekephee]

Really? Interesting... how did you accumulate all those teeth? By tuning and exploiting the Class R raid system for your own ends. The whole BDA + Taken never having to compete was a masterclass in stitching up the system to gather as much as you could for yourselves.

Wouldn't it be nice if smaller guilds had VP access and could raid in there with you? How about taking a leaf out of Cloki's book and offering a "tag along" event for those who are keyed but whose guilds can't attend because they never had the chance to zerg down Trakanon in 5 seconds?

You're babbling and I don't want to play this troll game anymore. You're never allowed to call us a zerg again and that's what I wanted out of this conversation and now we can find something more fun for you to pretend you care about/are outraged by on a server you don't play on in a game where you've never had a level 60 character and never really raided

[Swish]

Shit, that last kill resulted in the first ever "banked" Trak teeth in BDA history. We generally only award them to people who are close to finishing the quest. Still, we have enough active raiders to pull between 24 and 30 in VP which is enough to kill anything but Hoshkar consistently (or maybe Xygoz when you don't push him, herp derp)

There you go, BDA have killed that many Trakanons that they've got spare keys for the zerglings.

Nice fair and balanced raid system you guys have here.

As for 10 applicants, you quoted me 40ish a couple of months back... I guess there's a saturation point after all.

[Kekephee]

Haha swish is trolling u guys hard. He doesn't care about BDA, just like he doesn't care at all about Red Server. At this point he's just the acid reflux of the forumquest community

I know, I just wanted to get this "bda zerg" thing out of the way so anytime anybody brings it up I can just post this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/3X1EjWA.jpg


I'm not here to save BDA's reputation, I'm here to end this boring line of trolling so someone can find something more entertaining to harp on

[Swish]

That screenshot looks doctored...

[Kekephee]

TMO got all these cool accusations of GM favoritism, RMT, and Tiggles being a fat sadomasochist who posted pictures of himself pouring hot wax on a fat lady, and our trolls are just like YOU'RE A ZERG. It's not fair. Why can't someone accuse us of something cool?

[Swish]

I know, I just wanted to get this "bda zerg" thing out of the way so anytime anybody brings it up I can just post this picture:

http://i.imgur.com/3X1EjWA.jpg


I'm not here to save BDA's reputation, I'm here to end this boring line of trolling so someone can find something more entertaining to harp on

Okay in case you post that doctored screenshot I have evidence too:-

http://imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/09/16/bda-doctored-screenshot.png

[Kekephee]

I DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS THAT I'M MORE INTERESTED IN TROLLS BEING INTERESTING THAN PRESERVING BDA'S REP

[Swish]

TMO got all these cool accusations of GM favoritism, RMT, and Tiggles being a fat sadomasochist who posted pictures of himself pouring hot wax on a fat lady, and our trolls are just like YOU'RE A ZERG. It's not fair. Why can't someone accuse us of something cool?

What's cool about a circlejerk guild who pats each other on the back after downing Trak in 5 seconds? It's been removed from your news page but there was a great screenshot of someone saying how quick you'd done it in and someone else saying "don't forget to take a screenshot".

Nothing anyone has said here has reinforced the guild you want to be portrayed as, just the guild you always are and were in Kunark.

[Kekephee]

A guild that accomplishes something should find something in their accomplishment to feel ashamed of rather than feeling proud

Are you a fucking Calvinist or what

[captnamazing]

Pokesan has some pretty good anti BDA trolls here and there

[Swish]

A guild that accomplishes something should find something in their accomplishment to feel ashamed of rather than feeling proud

Are you a fucking Calvinist or what

That screenshot I believe had 60-70 BDA downing Trak. Feel proud if you like.

[Kekephee]

Oh no, too many people logged in to what I can only assume was like a prime time weekend raid


You realize there were 200 people from like 3 guilds in Seb the other day waiting for Trak to pop, right? Consider Red, BDA's fault

[Kekephee]

(Before you ask, I think we had 40 there that day)

[Swish]

Oh no, too many people logged in to what I can only assume was like a prime time weekend raid


You realize there were 200 people from like 3 guilds in Seb the other day waiting for Trak to pop, right? Consider Red, BDA's fault

http://imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/09/16/download2.jpg

[Kekephee]

Already addressed by Chest


I want to pet that dog and crop the baby out of the picture though

[Kekephee]

PS: people do Trakanon for things other than VP teeth, you know

[Swish]

Already addressed by Chest


I want to pet that dog and crop the baby out of the picture though

No policy on selling the teeth though despite not having anyone that needs them. Designed to keep other old "R" guilds out of VP? Nice.

Again, that guild you want to be versus the guild you actually are.

[Pokesan]

Oh no, too many people logged in to what I can only assume was like a prime time weekend raid


You realize there were 200 people from like 3 guilds in Seb the other day waiting for Trak to pop, right? Consider Red, BDA's fault

I do consider Red to be BDA's fault. Without the rules imposed by the class R mafia, there would be 12 people left on red. Hundreds of blue refugees fled to red once the rotation 'fell'(planned from the start) and you seized control. Ask any 10 red players why they switched and you'll get the same three letters in reply - B. D. A.

May you some day find justice for what you have done.

[Kekephee]

I do consider Red to be BDA's fault. Without the rules imposed by the class R mafia, there would be 12 people left on red. Hundreds of blue refugees fled to red once the rotation 'fell'(planned from the start) and you seized control. Ask any 10 red players why they switched and you'll get the same three letters in reply - B. D. A.

May you some day find justice for what you have done.

So what you're saying is Swish should be thanking us in 200 posts a day rather than insulting us

[Pokesan]

So what you're saying is Swish should be thanking us in 200 posts a day rather than insulting us

That's a twisted way of looking it at, though I expected no less. A similar situation would be the knesset thanking the Axis powers for creating the state of Israel.

I am saddened but not surprised a BDA officer thinks this way.

[arsenalpow]

Never sold any Trak toothez

[Kekephee]

That's a twisted way of looking it at, though I expected no less. A similar situation would be the knesset thanking the Axis powers for creating the state of Israel.

I am saddened but not surprised a BDA officer thinks this way.

I'm the officer in charge of doing stuff that's like Israel or whatever

[slappytwotoes]

Swish approaching dueling Cloonies level of immersion /cringe

[Oleris]

well, this thread sure got derailed.

[Archalen]

http://i.imgur.com/Zqlgt2J.jpg

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/Zqlgt2J.jpg

lol'd, mostly at the inaccuracy... but still - the MS paint of the cat was good <3

[Gimp]

what's inaccurate about it?

you're all over bda's nuts, and you don't even play on the same server, much less in a competing guild. what gives?

[kaev]

I do consider Red to be BDA's fault. Without the rules imposed by the class R mafia, there would be 12 people left on red. Hundreds of blue refugees fled to red once the rotation 'fell'(planned from the start) and you seized control. Ask any 10 red players why they switched and you'll get the same three letters in reply - B. D. A.

May you some day find justice for what you have done.

That's a twisted way of looking it at, though I expected no less. A similar situation would be the knesset thanking the Axis powers for creating the state of Israel.

I am saddened but not surprised a BDA officer thinks this way.

I am so glad to see you've moved beyond repeating the same tired four word post in every thread. That's some pretty excellent work there. Now learn how to wind Chest up and you're ready for the big time!

[Anichek]

Kekephee is not an officer. He's the private that has to burn the shit barrels.

Troubledour was driven to Red because of BDA.

Swish is winning this thread.

[kaev]

Kekephee is not an officer. He's the private that has to burn the shit barrels.

Troubledour was driven to Red because of BDA.

Swish is winning this thread.

If you make Keke an officer, and let him remain an officer for at least 3 months, I will promise never to app back to BDA.

[arsenalpow]

we just gave keke a bard epic for his forumquesting heroics

dreams do come true

[Kekephee]

SERVER FIRST ERUDITE BARD EPIC

[Swish]

what's inaccurate about it?

you're all over bda's nuts, and you don't even play on the same server, much less in a competing guild. what gives?

Apparently I don't have a level 60 and apparently I've commented 500 times on the same thing. While I haven't counted, I can certainly tell you its not 500.

[Swish]

Swish is winning this thread.

Take a leaf out of Anichek's book. He knows its probably better not to post than engage in this conversation where someone BDA tagged says "BDA is great"...and I prove them wrong for 3-4 pages.

[Pokesan]

SERVER FIRST ERUDITE BARD EPIC

Congratulations! Under your officership BDA need not worry about forum trolls.

You melted down a bit in this thread.

Much like when Chest melted steel beams with his laser eyes that bright September morning.

[Pokesan]

I am so glad to see you've moved beyond repeating the same tired four word post in every thread. That's some pretty excellent work there. Now learn how to wind Chest up and you're ready for the big time!

It was three words.

[Tuljin]

New server please

[arsenalpow]

Keke is the 2nd to last person I'd ever make an officer of BDA

























The very very last person is Swashy

[Merekai]

Swish, Keke...Get a room and fuck each other already. JFC.....

Chev

[iNteg]

Keke is the 2nd to last person I'd ever make an officer of BDA
























The very very last person is Swashy


http://i.imgur.com/42G7fd8.gif

[Swish]

Swish, Keke...Get a room and fuck each other already. JFC.....

Chev

No thanks, she seems like the nagging type.

[Troubled]

Over 600 replies from swish in this thread; assuming they're about BDA. Dude got run off blue by BDA. Man that's super cuck right there.

[Troubled]

Kekephee is not an officer. He's the private that has to burn the shit barrels.

Troubledour was driven to Red because of BDA.

Swish is winning this thread.

It's true. Super cuck as well here.

[Swish]

Over 600 replies from swish in this thread; assuming they're about BDA. Dude got run off blue by BDA. Man that's super cuck right there.

Guy calling someone "super cuck" when he's yet to get on the scoresheet for red kills lawl, what a joke...

[Swish]

http://imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/09/17/Untitled.png

[Kushie]

This message is hidden because Swish is on your ignore list (http://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

[Troubled]

What's he saying?

http://wheeldecide.com/index.php?c1=nobody+cares&c2=nobody+cares&c3=nobody+cares&c4=nobody+cares&c5=nobody+cares&c6=&t=&col=&time=5&width=&cols=&tcol=&weights=&x=73&y=18

[Llodd]

Seems appropriate again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KELnaC10yU&feature=youtu.be

;)

[Huggz]

Swish just can't help his mania.

A flood of dopamine from each email response he receives.

His immersion is past actually gaming and just lives here now.

[Huggz]

After reading entire thread I can only assume that Swish is:

a) Single
B) Unemployed
C) Moderately overweight
Or
D) All of the above.


How do you accomplish 24/7 forum quest?

[Culkasi]

This thread moved from really weird / sad, to an interesting discussion about raiding on P99 that could potentially have brought something with it, had it not been totally derailed by Swish and BDA hating on each other. Can we somehow ban Swish and BDA for ever posting in the same thread? So if one of them has posted, the other entity can't post in said thread?

[Calibix]

This thread moved from really weird / sad, to an interesting discussion about raiding on P99 that could potentially have brought something with it, had it not been totally derailed by Swish and BDA hating on each other. Can we somehow ban Swish and BDA for ever posting in the same thread? So if one of them has posted, the other entity can't post in said thread?

That would effectively ban BDA from every thread ever.

[arsenalpow]

Batphoning for a forum sock to FTE every thread because BDA is so casual.

[am0n]

That would effectively ban BDA from every thread ever.

I'm all for just banning Swish, period. Would probably bring about more interesting conversations.

[Swish]

This message is hidden because Swish is on your ignore list (http://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

https://media.giphy.com/media/5MSPQODSIJa6c/giphy.gif

What's he saying?

http://wheeldecide.com/index.php?c1=nobody+cares&c2=nobody+cares&c3=nobody+cares&c4=nobody+cares&c5=nobody+cares&c6=&t=&col=&time=5&width=&cols=&tcol=&weights=&x=73&y=18

https://media.giphy.com/media/UVzJ6ttd3Eo6s/giphy.gif

Swish just can't help his mania.

A flood of dopamine from each email response he receives.

His immersion is past actually gaming and just lives here now.
After reading entire thread I can only assume that Swish is:

a) Single
B) Unemployed
C) Moderately overweight
Or
D) All of the above.


How do you accomplish 24/7 forum quest?

double post! http://media.collegetimes.com/uploads/2014/07/Wrestling-she-mad.gif

You missed nutswinging off of every everquest streamer 24/7. Mainly CiproTheSeahorse

Mad and bannable...

https://media.giphy.com/media/o15PHmvYmetdS/giphy.gif


Yikes, you guys need to settle down and post less if this is all you have to say on the forums.



https://media.giphy.com/media/DA7p0kGId1uQE/giphy.gif

[Kutsumo]

I really liked swish posts when I started playing here. More often than not they included a funny gif and some useful on-topic information.

Not so much now... It seems like you post in *every* blue thread with some combination of:
1. Try red! Try red try red try red!
2. Jaded/angry comments about blue player base, ultimately leading to try red
3. Jaded/angry comments about blue raid scene, ultimately leading to try red
4. Jaded/angry comments about blue economy, ultimately leading to try red
5. Trolling/baiting blue players to talk about red without actually typing "try red"

I miss the variety Swish. You should forgive blue and become the old Swish again.

[Swish]

I really liked swish posts when I started playing here. More often than not they included a funny gif and some useful on-topic information.

Not so much now... It seems like you post in *every* blue thread with some combination of:
1. Try red! Try red try red try red!
2. Jaded/angry comments about blue player base, ultimately leading to try red
3. Jaded/angry comments about blue raid scene, ultimately leading to try red
4. Jaded/angry comments about blue economy, ultimately leading to try red
5. Trolling/baiting blue players to talk about red without actually typing "try red"

I miss the variety Swish. You should forgive blue and become the old Swish again.

I couldn't if I tried, people are great for tinfoiling and seeing hidden messages that don't exist in posts.

I make a thread about hitting 12,000 posts and everyone else says "red red red"... what am I supposed to do? :rolleyes:

This is just the forums, and maybe people miss it but I still post in threads to try and help people out answering questions. I'm still the same person on the inside <3

[falkun]

I still want my #12kPayday (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1992894).

http://i.imgur.com/SdcrqI0.gif

[Swish]

I still want my #12kPayday (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1992894).

http://i.imgur.com/SdcrqI0.gif

The last message was from me to you ages ago... why didn't you reply? BDA taking my plat would be quite the scandal I suppose.

[falkun]

You knew I was BDA when I submitted that gif, its not like I hide that fact at all (and no one tries to recruit me unlike all the other BDA'ers). Maybe better performance at the bard botb might have helped my recruitment, but Franswa really threw me off with his Prepare to Die speech before attacking. I'll have to see if I still have logs of that quote...