Ring 8 shitweaselry last 2 nights - an offer

[Pan]

On Sat the 12th of August, a 1-day Omni member called Senies won the roll for the turnin. Just before turnin, his RL brother and Omni app called Whistlefoot entered the turnin tent (ostensibly to do a trade). There was some question of MQ and I'm not sure what's true about that. But two people should NOT have been in the tent at the time. Only the winner.

Apparently, after Chief was killed, someone killed the turnin mob, leaving Senies with Chief's head.

Words were exchanged within Omni and between Omni members and Senies and he detagged and was not invited back.

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Last night, Pally of Taken (don't have a name) won the roll. However, Senies (sans Omni tag) ninja-ed the turnin (which I assume is against server rules), leaving Taken Pally with a Chief head that is essentially useless without another /random win (requiring doing ring 7 all over again).

On some level, this isn't my problem in that Senies was not wearing my tag at the time that he truly shit the bed. However, I have a real interest in seeing civility prevail at that turnin. Nobody wants to lose Marching Orders (ring 7, effectively) and it was working pretty well for a couple of weeks.

So here's my offer:
I have a 2nd set of Marching Orders and, with apologies to those who are still rolling, I will show up every night (for as long as it takes), roll and help with the fight (pull, kill, etc.) and allow Taken Pally to turn in his head on my dime.

The decency and civility of that /random and turnin is a worthwhile thing and something that's worth maintaining. And worth it to me to redo the 7th ring.

End note:
I think that the staff will get involved and move the 8th ring from Senies to the turnin spawner. At least that's the precedent (see Ragefire heart, for example). And give Senies a long (permanent? in my view) timeout.

[Senies]

I agree with you the one from taken that did it to me the night before should receive what ever i get as well.

[Ando]

Yet another reason I play on Red.

[paulgiamatti]

Cloki is a class act.

[Sorn]

I agree with you the one from taken that did it to me the night before should receive what ever i get as well.

Hmm..I know your name from somewhere...didn't you get involved in a long and obnoxious ingame argument about camping holgresh elder beads the first couple days of Velious? And now you managed to piss off Omni, too. Huh. Well, good luck.

[Daldaen]

When a player spawns the ring war all mobs involved are his and his alone to touch for 20min as prescribed by the rules on the server. You spawn a mob through a raid or quest turnin they are yours to do with as you please.

Ninjaing someone else's Chief or killing/training/turning in another Chief head and despawning Garadain should be severely punished.

Players who have had this happen to them where someone else steals your Chief or kills/de spawns your Garadain really should have the Chief heads in their bags replaced with 8th rings. Expecting them to turn in again and isn't really fair when they did nothing wrong with their quest script.

[Pan]

When a player spawns the ring war all mobs involved are his and his alone to touch for 20min as prescribed by the rules on the server. You spawn a mob through a raid or quest turnin they are yours to do with as you please.

Ninjaing someone else's Chief or killing/training/turning in another Chief head and despawning Garadain should be severely punished.

Players who have had this happen to them where someone else steals your Chief or kills/de spawns your Garadain really should have the Chief heads in their bags replaced with 8th rings. Expecting them to turn in again and isn't really fair when they did nothing wrong with their quest script.

Agreed...tho sometimes restorations can take a long time around here. I was offering what is perhaps a quicker solution to the stupidity. Tho with my solution, the whole crew gets set back a day. Only so much we can do w/o staff on it quick, tho.

[Daldaen]

I agree it takes awhile, however a response from the staff would be nice.

Because you can't just allow players to kill steal chief, train Garadain or turn in a previously failed war Chief Head to someone else's Garadain. All of those are extreme dick moves because it forces a player to redo Rings 1-7, and they are rather unprecedented because no one was sniping Ragefires before 20min was up, or Lhrancs or Lord RakAshiir, or Efreeti Noble cycle.

This just has a much lower barrier of entry to snipe and screw over someone else. And it needs to be dealt with harshly. Those who get their ring events ruined by others really just need to be given the 8th ring given they didn't do anything wrong (IE didn't fail because of their own mistake.

[maskedmelon]

To avoid introducing any potential for abuse I suggest a stiff penalty for the offenders (perma-ban) and zero reimbursement for victims. It's a sucky situation, but if success is guaranteed for a certain set narrowly prescribed conditions, abuse will follow.

I commend OP for seeking to help rectify the situation though ^^ we need more peeps like this.

[Daldaen]

Zero reimbursements is very harsh.

People can make level 1 characters get SoW, aggro Garadain and train him into the orcs and that fails the event. Permabanning those accounts doesn't do anything.

There needs to be some sort of reimbursement for players who have their ring wars ruined by other players. It's happening quite frequently and that needs to be covered.

This is why instances were added.

[Huggz]

Commendable, but seriously, you have time every night to log in and help someone achieve one item turn in? I mean, good for you on doing the right thing, but who has that kind of time?

Best of luck.

[maskedmelon]

Zero reimbursements is very harsh.

People can make level 1 characters get SoW, aggro Garadain and train him into the orcs and that fails the event. Permabanning those accounts doesn't do anything.


Right, so if you guarantee reimbursement for above, you don't see this sort of thing becoming the norm?

[Daldaen]

Right, so if you guarantee reimbursement for above, you don't see this sort of thing becoming the norm?

Well here is the current culture:

5-10 people log on and /roll to turn in. 1 person wins. All players go into the fort and help the winner kill Chief, loot head, invis outside and turn into Garadain.

This isn't a challenging event. Druids can solo it, most players can duo it, and when you have 5-10 people there helping it's a joke.

So abusing the CSR system to try and guarantee yourself a ring would be dumb. You'd be delaying your owning of the ring 2-4weeks. When it's very easy to do the event with the other players who rolled with you.

I don't see this being an issue no.

[azeth]

Had my Ring 8 chief stolen a couple nights ago as well.

The problem with the roll off is this:

1. You cannot enforce "roll off times". Just because you /shout "roll off in 10 mins" doesn't meant someone outside of the zone is aware of whatever erroneous time 1 person decided would be the official roll off time.

2. If someone rolls before the npc spawns, their roll should be included.

3. If someone spawns the war, the chief & war are 100% theirs. success or failure, any interference in the war (regardless of success/failure) is theft.


Last night, Pally of Taken (don't have a name) won the roll. However, Senies (sans Omni tag) ninja-ed the turnin (which I assume is against server rules)

also, shitty but 100% definitely not against "server rules." If it's not a defined camp, it's FTE.

[Daldaen]

Azeth you misunderstand the situation last night.

The paladin turned in HIS Marching Orders. The ninja of the turn in was done using a previous Chief Head despawning the Garadain HE spawned, not this other person.

So the Garadain that was 100% belonging to the Taken Paladin (which you agree with) was de spawned by a level 48 shaman turning in a Chief Head from another failed ring war. (Which you agree is against the rules).

So it is 100% against the rules. In this case.

[Pan]

Azeth, I think you misunderstood. From what I know, if you spawn something, it's yours for 20 mins. Not only an epic mob (Xenov, Ixi, Rage, etc.), but stuff in Velious as well. (and looks like Daldaen not only beat me to it, but explained it better)

[azeth]

Azeth, I think you misunderstood. From what I know, if you spawn something, it's yours for 20 mins. Not only an epic mob (Xenov, Ixi, Rage, etc.), but stuff in Velious as well. (and looks like Daldaen not only beat me to it, but explained it better)

yes I understand what happened now.

Also your quote "if you spawn something, it's yours for 20 mins" is basically the premise of the petition i submitted for the chief stolen from me.

[Swish]

Taken wouldn't do it for you Cloki, so all the more props to you.

[Swish]

100% against the rules.

Why aren't those fully codified?

[kagrobb]

My paladin is Clorthos and it was my spawn last night and his excuse was someone did it to him so he did it back, he then said some pally in taken did it to him and provided no names. We (taken) do not have 100 pallies sitting in ew waiting to do the ring event ... hell we do not even have 100 pallies. Backstory from his former guildleader is that it was another guilds pally that trained the mobs on the turn in guy due to not knowing was was going on or somesuch nonsense, but it was not us.

I was there when he won the roll and offered to help he declined i left the zone for other events we were working on ... had no clue of his outcome and I was the only taken pally in the area.

I have petitioned the gm to have my ring returned, his actions are 1000% dickmove. It will prolly take a little bit of time but i have logs of the events and tells between Senies between and I where he admits to taking my turn in.

I have liked the civility and helped out with pally and shm for others ring events this however was my turn to do my ring.

Thanks for trying to keep it civil ...

[REMEZ]

-Most toxic community ever? Check!
-Asshats on every camp quoting/exploiting pixel rules? Check!
-Not a signle bloody thread without asshat toxic dude from red saying "Try Red? CHECK CHECK CHECK! (Please why do we have to read those idiotic post every damn thread..........?

I love this game, or do I?

[nyclin]

instead of trying red, try this link:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=11281

[Swish]

I haven't mentioned the red server in this thread - you chose to be mad in a thread not relating to red at all but are still blaming the red server for something that occurred on blue.

Makes no sense :(

[kagrobb]

Being the one that got the shaft last night I am pretty sure this thread has enough drama without adding bashing for the sake of bashing to it.

[Rayzor84]

Why isn't this thread in rnf?

Also, if u were on red u could have just killed the shithead. Just saiyan.

[kagrobb]

no real ranting or flaming in here to do with the events that happened .... we are trying to be civil about resolving the issue

[4WOFURY]

Dang it! I'm gone for one weekend and it all gets really screwy! Sounds like all kinds of bad stuff happening.

Major props to Cloki and Grizlok for their motions to help rectify bad situations that have come up. This makes me really happy to see.

Taken wouldn't do it for you Cloki, so all the more props to you.

I think Cloki is a class act and good people do things to be good, not because they expect something in return.

However, I was there the night Cloki got his - was happy to help with that. As well as the other 22 people I've helped get rings so far.

Let's get the couple of mishaps straightened out and get back on track with this being a peaceful event.

[paulgiamatti]

If it's not a defined camp, it's FTE.

I don't know anything about this whole issue but I would definitely disagree here, and offer the following counterargument: If it's not defined as FTE, it's campable.

[bktroost]

Forget the camping and the FTEing nonsense, we have a system of rolling that works. It works with civility. In actuality, it could be more civil. Please don't show up 1 minute before spawn or come with the assumption that everyone there must help you because it may have happened in the past. Truly, if you come with the intent that you are there to have a legitimate chance at handling the quest on your own and you give everyone the proper respect by showing up 10-15 minutes before spawn then the world is a nice place.

[Maner]

Forget the camping and the FTEing nonsense, we have a system of rolling that works. It works with civility. In actuality, it could be more civil. Please don't show up 1 minute before spawn or come with the assumption that everyone there must help you because it may have happened in the past. Truly, if you come with the intent that you are there to have a legitimate chance at handling the quest on your own and you give everyone the proper respect by showing up 10-15 minutes before spawn then the world is a nice place.

This isn't how dye encounters go. You can't require people show up 15min before the spawn and expect them to follow your unenforceable roll rules. If that person doesn't agree with doling for the turn in then you have no authority to enforce some player made agreement on them.

[Champion_Standing]

-Most toxic community ever? Check!
-Asshats on every camp quoting/exploiting pixel rules? Check!
-Not a signle bloody thread without asshat toxic dude from red saying "Try Red? CHECK CHECK CHECK! (Please why do we have to read those idiotic post every damn thread..........?

I love this game, or do I?

P99 community confirmed scum

[Aviann]

Please god don't let this turn into another Ragefire...

[Swish]

we need instanced content to keep everyone happy

[Kekephee]

Please god don't let this turn into another Ragefire...

It won't, because Scout Charisa is already the new Ragefire