i am mad because Stormfeather really is a camp!!!

[Tulnar]

Sirken in a fit of a bergs outbreak came to defend his IRL friend, and 'camper' of Stormfeather. The whole event lasted for about an hour and involved the death-touch of one would-be dirty thief, as well as sirken several times bashing his own co-staff members... Here's how it all went down:

Sirken shows up, about half-wayish thru SF window to help out his RL SK friend attempting to claim Stormfeather as a camp and lays down the following:

http://i.imgur.com/fXL3rET.png

No surprise, hes immediately questioned by several of the frequent FTErs - when he abruptly DTs one, calling him retarded for saying 'Wuuut?':

http://i.imgur.com/OOC3bDD.png

Now that his authority has been established, he moves on to say that Stormfeather was never FTE, and that the reason he has an FTE message is:

http://i.imgur.com/BctDgvy.png

So just as I'm starting to suspect that Sirken may have some kind of problem with the mentally challenged, aka p99 playerbase, he does the unthinkable... he turns on his own peers....

http://i.imgur.com/VeXpsRQ.png

WOW, i really got caught off guard by this... He slowly shifted from being mad at the players, to now being mad at the staff -- his RL friend's level 48sk main w/ a fungi and never-before-seen guild tag NEEDS an eyepatch and he is going to stop at nothing to see to it that he gets it for him, even if he has to stall a bunch if air clicking neckbeards to do it....

[Sat Sep 12 11:50:15 2015] Sirken says, '10 fucking staff members and not one of them is around'

[Sat Sep 12 11:50:20 2015] Brookle says, 'so now we have to dedicate our entire gaming life to sit here and not logout waiting for our turn?'

[Sat Sep 12 11:50:29 2015] Sirken says, 'i know for fact nilbog use to camp this on live'
[Sat Sep 12 11:50:36 2015] Sirken says, 'because we spoke about it'
[Sat Sep 12 11:50:46 2015] Sirken says, 'and i know that stormfeather is not considered a raid target'

[Sat Sep 12 11:51:05 2015] Mylez says, 'Sirken, if he intended it to be a camp - why would he have put an FTE message on him?'

[Sat Sep 12 11:53:54 2015] Sirken says, 'i have 10 useless costaff in a chat and they are all afk'
[Sat Sep 12 11:54:04 2015] Sirken says, 'im waiting for literally anyone to answer'

[Sat Sep 12 11:54:12 2015] Brookle says, 'batphone them'

[Sat Sep 12 11:54:24 2015] Sirken says, 'im not batphoning over this'

[Sat Sep 12 11:55:20 2015] Sirken says, 'odds are if this is actually considered fte, im going to scream at somebody and change it'

Sooooo.... he showed up, threw down the gauntlet, but didnt have his facts straight?... Lol wonder what that poor bitch he DT'd thinks...

[Sat Sep 12 11:59:04 2015] Mylez says, 'You showed up and DT'd me for no reason, you can obviously do what you want but leave your co-staff out of this, its not their fault'

[Sat Sep 12 11:59:16 2015] Sirken says, 'i DTd you for saying something stupid'
[Sat Sep 12 11:59:29 2015] Sirken says, 'and yes, i can more or less do what i feel is best'
[Sat Sep 12 11:59:30 2015] Sirken says, 'including banning your dumbass... deal with it'
[Sat Sep 12 12:05:35 2015] Sirken says, 'but im going to stand here until one of the 9 other staff come back to chat. if they tell me im wrong, ill give you a guise and ill yell at them like the retards they are'

This guys a loose cannon! hes handing out DTs, bans, guises, and staff slander like he runs the server or something...

[Sat Sep 12 12:06:03 2015] Sirken says, 'this was not ever considered a raid mob'

[Sat Sep 12 12:06:24 2015] Taminy says, 'was FTE on my server, but people usually didn't sock'

[Sat Sep 12 12:06:26 2015] Brookle says, 'not on my live server'

[Sat Sep 12 12:06:47 2015] Taminy says, 'lots of jerkwads on cazic thule that ganked him to a few guildies'

[Sat Sep 12 12:07:47 2015] Sirken says, 'ok, on mine and nilbogs servers, it was camped and not considered a raid mob'
[Sat Sep 12 12:08:08 2015] Sirken says, 'and sadly while not fair, we judge things off the servers that myself, nilbog, and rogean played on'
[Sat Sep 12 12:08:30 2015] Sirken says, 'which is also why we wont enforce a staff made rotation'

Damn, i never knew sirken had that kinda pull - this is like 1/3rd his server, so god damnit if his lvl 48 fungi-using main sk friend wants an eyepatch, hes gonna have it!

[Sat Sep 12 12:17:35 2015] Sirken says, 'you guys are basically trying to argue that a lvl 30 mob should be considered a raid mob, you realize this right?'

The neckbeards then moved on to ranting about other mobs/camps/etc when one stuck out to me...

[Sat Sep 12 12:36:29 2015] Sirken says, 'i never ruled Quillmane a camp'
[Sat Sep 12 12:37:16 2015] Sirken says, 'the only way to camp Quil is to have someone parked at each spawn spot and hae someone else killing the PH'

...huh?

Oh well who cares about quillmane?... he finally gets back to the whole point...

[Sat Sep 12 12:41:29 2015] Sirken says, 'jesus we are the worst staff ever'
[Sat Sep 12 12:41:39 2015] Sirken says, 'how does it take this long for me to get a staff reply'

We dont know dog, its your server right? We just play here and you just...

[Sat Sep 12 12:54:23 2015] Sirken says, 'i deal with people'

[Swish]

mad bluebie hates camp rules... there's one solution here.

[Colgate]

not surprising

[nyclin]

in b4 delete

[Swish]

Sum this up in a gif...

http://i.imgur.com/HNoD3od.gif

[TheBiznessTZ]

inb4 b&

[Rayzor84]

How else is the SK gonna wt$ lootz?

[koryu]

some sketchy stuff right hurr

[NegaStoat]

It's odd in that Outdoor mobs that roam can't be camped, excepting the Quillmane camp in which a team needs a person at each PH spawnpoint to camp the placeholders as they come in, securing the winged horse when it eventually does spawn. Those people camping the spawnpoints are respected as holding a camp and can't be displaced, etc.

Excepting Lodizal which has a static spawnpoint which is also a roaming mob which is not allowed to be camped, which is pants-on-head nonsense when considering the above.

The short of it is no one knows what the fuck they're doing anymore with anything involving spawns or camps because of staff turnover and constant changes to shit during the server's lifespan.

[AzzarTheGod]

some sketchy stuff right hurr

lol hardly....

Some mad nerd upset that the rules are not what he thought.

Mylez was disrespecting a staff ruling and putting other players in danger by being out of order, glad he got his pompous "leet-dude" attitude deathtouched as a warning that the ruling was final and to be respected.

Even with the butthurt twisted narrative designed to slander staff, its easy to see nothing was wrong with the ruling, or the GM's actions.

So happy that some entitled nerds got chin-checked, its been years since staff really lowered the boom.

[TheBiznessTZ]

lol hardly....

Some mad nerd upset that the rules are not what he thought.

Mylez was disrespecting a staff ruling and putting other players in danger by being out of order, glad he got his pompous "leet-dude" attitude deathtouched as a warning that the ruling was final and to be respected.

Even with the butthurt twisted narrative designed to slander staff, its easy to see nothing was wrong with the ruling, or the GM's actions.

So happy that some entitled nerds got chin-checked, its been years since staff really lowered the boom.

i can pras that. also ill sling in a wouldn't have that problem on red.

[bubur]

sounds to me like they should hire more staff

they probably WANT to. i wonder what is causing most applications to fail. standards for moral character might be too high. just make a limited-privilege staff position that deals with grunt work with pretty much zero hope for advancement

people will still do it

[Ambrotos]

yikes. I'm sure there are 20 pages of petitions that only Sirken can take care of instead over a level 30 npc.

[Rararboker]

Any proof this guy was "sirkens friend"? Or are you just mad?

I vote mad.

[Pint]

stormfeather was a camp on pvp servers? wut

[AzzarTheGod]

sounds to me like they should hire more staff

they probably WANT to. i wonder what is causing most applications to fail. standards for moral character might be too high. just make a limited-privilege staff position that deals with grunt work with pretty much zero hope for advancement

people will still do it

Has nothing to do with people not having enough "moral character" I'd say more a lack of references and evidence that you can handle big responsibility.

I'd imagine its very similar in some ways to a government job that requires a high level security clearance if you are trying to make full GM. I.E. the totality of your entire life is taken into account. All your real life details are discussed. Need legit references who are able to interview, come from a good family who also comes from a good family, real evidence that you can be trusted, real evidence that you have handled responsibilities before (job, work, guild leader from a major blue guild etc.), evidence that you can be impartial, etc. A combo of those things.

Not hard to understand why moral character won't be a factor if you are Joey "Basement" WeedSmoker from the gas station with no background and no supporting references to back up anything you said.

On top of all that you have to interview well, click with the staff, give off the right energy and vibe. Just like any law enforcement job in the real world.

Not hard to see why most of the applicants aren't getting past Guide.

[Champion_Standing]

lol hardly....

Some mad nerd upset that the rules are not what he thought.

Mylez was disrespecting a staff ruling and putting other players in danger by being out of order, glad he got his pompous "leet-dude" attitude deathtouched as a warning that the ruling was final and to be respected.

Even with the butthurt twisted narrative designed to slander staff, its easy to see nothing was wrong with the ruling, or the GM's actions.

So happy that some entitled nerds got chin-checked, its been years since staff really lowered the boom.

lol'd fuckin hard

[Ambrotos]

Well Football season has started, so Sirken is already in melt down mode over the idea Chicago going 0-16 this year. Not enough weed to smoke during a game to keep calm. So he is speading out his issues so he doesn't have a heart attack tomorrow.

[Pringles]

Does stormfeather still have his FTE message? If so.... this is odd, considering nilbog intentionally gave him FTE to counter this very issue.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2002206

[Lune]

You never go full Uthgaard

[Donton]

Does stormfeather still have his FTE message? If so.... this is odd, considering nilbog intentionally gave him FTE to counter this very issue.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2002206

Nilbog also stated in https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206470&highlight=stormfeather&page=8 that he believes it should be a camp as it was on live.

FTE was most likely added to help with the server reset shitshows when 20 people logout on the hill.

[teff]

Your local 48 SK main with fungi here.

I just want to say I do not know Sirken or any other GM in real life. First time I have ever spoken to him or any GM on p1999. This is just simply made up for shock value I assume.

I was camping SF for 9 hours before a hoard of you all showed up. I didn't understand why a mob that spawns in one location was not considered a camp, so I petitioned and simply asked if this was legit. Everything unfolded from there.

Good day.

[Pringles]

Since RnF....

May 2015, 48 SK main with fungi. Things that make you go hmmm.

Just sayin..... possible, but not probable.

[salimoneus]

stop being so politically fucking correct, it's just retarded

[Swish]

Turn pvp on for a day and let people handle their own shit. See how that works out.

[indiscriminate_hater]

In on epic deleted thread

[Pokesan]

That SK is a known BDA alt btw

[Orruar]

[Sat Sep 12 12:54:23 2015] Sirken says, 'i deal with people'

http://www.ravepubs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/download-5.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

Your local 48 SK main with fungi here.

I just want to say I do not know Sirken or any other GM in real life. First time I have ever spoken to him or any GM on p1999. This is just simply made up for shock value I assume.

I was camping SF for 9 hours before a hoard of you all showed up. I didn't understand why a mob that spawns in one location was not considered a camp, so I petitioned and simply asked if this was legit. Everything unfolded from there.

Good day.

BDA alt confirmed.

[JayN]

How much does it cost "donation wise" for lead GM to show up and DT my competition ?

[SamwiseRed]

I was camping SF for 9 hours

what a loser

[Big_Japan]

mad bluebie hates camp rules... there's one solution here.

Yeah, playing on a server that doesn't implement retarded hand-holding rules for the sole purpose of selectively enforcing them for real life friends and contributors. Unfortunately there are none such available with a decent database behind them.

[Kushie]

This thread has gone 4 pages without censorship? RMT

[arsenalpow]

Should always have been a camp. Maybe FTE is necessary in server restart situations but it's a camp.

[Swish]

Says a lot about the community if non raid mobs start all going FTE.

FTE coding on orc trainer inc, don't break the rules now.

[Tanhawk]

Just so people know, Teff (48 SK Tephin in game) is not an alt of anyone. He is my younger brother and him, myself, and another brother starting playing on P99 a few months ago. The only reason he has a Fungi tunic is because I grinded out Jewelcrafting to max and between myself and my two brothers we all chipped in to buy it. The only reason this even became an issue is because he simply petitioned and asked a GM what the rules were on that camp since he had been there all night. Had the GM said it was a FTE camp he would have either moved on or stayed and tried to get the mob still. No more drama. Many people know me in game already from my jewelry selling and anyone will tell you I am legit. So feel free to have your opinions or listen to those of the uninformed people in this thread, but myself or anyone in my guild has not caused any drama on this server since we started playing. Ty for your time.

Gemolis Dragonbane
45 Enchanter and Master Jewelcrafter
Guild Leader of Requiem

[Ranndom]

Sirken bashes staff like its second nature...hahaha

[Sriracha]

goofy shit... sirken u on the sauce again :( im not mad just disappointed

[NegaStoat]

That ninja title change.

[Aeaolena]

Sum this up in a gif...

http://i.imgur.com/HNoD3od.gif

Dat is one sweet gif

[Pokesan]

Just so people know, Teff (48 SK Tephin in game) is not an alt of anyone. He is my younger brother and him, myself, and another brother starting playing on P99 a few months ago. The only reason he has a Fungi tunic is because I grinded out Jewelcrafting to max and between myself and my two brothers we all chipped in to buy it. The only reason this even became an issue is because he simply petitioned and asked a GM what the rules were on that camp since he had been there all night. Had the GM said it was a FTE camp he would have either moved on or stayed and tried to get the mob still. No more drama. Many people know me in game already from my jewelry selling and anyone will tell you I am legit. So feel free to have your opinions or listen to those of the uninformed people in this thread, but myself or anyone in my guild has not caused any drama on this server since we started playing. Ty for your time.

Gemolis Dragonbane
45 Enchanter and Master Jewelcrafter
Guild Leader of Requiem

wet blanket killjoy

[Sriracha]

just proof of what a flamer sirken is, prancing around in his GM theatre, self absolved and self absorbed...muscles rippling... sweat flowing in channels down the crack of...

ahem.

be nice to sirken he is no more arbitrary and irrational than the next man and perhaps less so on most occaision

[Champion_Standing]

I really enjoyed this thread

5 stars

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I agree with the ruling, but on live, if you went afk, you were effectively abandoning the camp, and so it was expected the camper would have to respond to /tells or all bets were off and camp was then ffa.

Should be same rule here. You don't respond to /tell, you lose camp rights and mob turns to fte

[Big_Japan]

If training were legalized and "camps" enforceable solely by the community these pathetic neckbeard GMs wouldn't have to bother getting so rustled by enforcing their own rules that they start cannibalizing fellow staff.

[Big_Japan]

If training were legalized and "camps" enforceable solely by the community these pathetic neckbeard GMs wouldn't have to bother getting so rustled by enforcing their own rules that they start cannibalizing fellow staff.

^just role-playing that there's not a very good reason this can't be done that can't be stated here

[Uthgaard]

You never go full Uthgaard

LOL

[AzzarTheGod]

LOL

How come ol' Derubael can't be a VIP/ Contributor like the rest of you fellas??

[Itap]

I would be that upset too if Jay Cutler was my QB

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I would be that upset too if Jay Cutler was my QB

One interception per game is manageable. Just gotta count on that defense getting the ball back. Totally doable.

[Pheer]

You never go full Uthgaard

That wasn't even full Uthgaard


If that was Uthgaard then anyone at that camp who had done/said anything besides standing there quietly would have been DT'd and banned within 30 seconds

[Ranndom]

^just role-playing that there's not a very good reason this can't be done that can't be stated here

Honestly, if they did just say screw the "play nice" bullshit, i think it would get out of hand temporarily.
Some fools would overreact and say "Not the same game anymore i quit"
Others would be preaching "FINALLY!"
But, within a month or two, the community of p99 would begin identify those guilty of abusing situation and create a handful of pariahs that couldnt get a group without paying 1k/hr.

[Mackie]

So let's discuss how fucking retarded this is:

StormFeather is an 18 hour +/- 2 hour variance I believe?

I was told tonight, by Hermionie(sp), that "AFK camping" Is in fact allowed and very much encouraged on this server.

As in, I'm going to sit in ice clad, for 19 hours and 58 minutes, storm feather spawns in the last minute and I still get my loots. So because there's a "List" That's formed, I'm allowed to do this.

So is "AFK Camping" Allowed on this server? Can a GM actually confirm that this is allowed? If it's not, how do we regulate it? AFK check every 30 minutes? I bet this wouldn't happen, you're understaffed as it is...

Why would this even be remotely fucking optional? This FTE has been working very well, for the last ~6 weeks. Why are you now taking a shit fit over this mob? What happened to X person for you to go ape shit and start DTing people and calling your co-staff fucking idiots?

As a member of the community, I reject your bullshit claim that this is an "AFK Camp" Via List style. I want to hear Nilbog, Rogean and the rest of the staffs input on this, I vote until Nilbog or Rogean calls the shot and the FTE message is removed, it will stay as an FTE mob.

[Swish]

Put the spawn down to 6 minutes, then everyone's happy right?

[ridiculousmoose]

So let's discuss how fucking retarded this is:

StormFeather is an 18 hour +/- 2 hour variance I believe?

I was told tonight, by Hermionie(sp), that "AFK camping" Is in fact allowed and very much encouraged on this server.

As in, I'm going to sit in ice clad, for 19 hours and 58 minutes, storm feather spawns in the last minute and I still get my loots. So because there's a "List" That's formed, I'm allowed to do this.

So is "AFK Camping" Allowed on this server? Can a GM actually confirm that this is allowed? If it's not, how do we regulate it? AFK check every 30 minutes? I bet this wouldn't happen, you're understaffed as it is...

Why would this even be remotely fucking optional? This FTE has been working very well, for the last ~6 weeks. Why are you now taking a shit fit over this mob? What happened to X person for you to go ape shit and start DTing people and calling your co-staff fucking idiots?

As a member of the community, I reject your bullshit claim that this is an "AFK Camp" Via List style. I want to hear Nilbog, Rogean and the rest of the staffs input on this, I vote until Nilbog or Rogean calls the shot and the FTE message is removed, it will stay as an FTE mob.

Your allowed to AFK between spawns.. its always been that way. Doesn't matter if its a 30 min spawn or an 18 hour.

[Donton]

I want to hear Nilbog, Rogean and the rest of the staffs input on this, I vote until Nilbog or Rogean calls the shot and the FTE message is removed, it will stay as an FTE mob.

I believe it should be a camp on the pve server. Unfortunately, I can't enforce that. It's up to the csr team to determine how to treat this camp.

Personally, I'd like it to be up to the players to keep a list, and it be respected.

You gonna change your vote now?

[quido]

I enjoy how insecure Ambrotos is about being removed from the staff.

[Skew]

To the 48 SK : why dont you just leave computer on with logs and work/sleep/jack off like normal people. Come back.check logs. then come back for the TWO hour window he can spawn.
retard.

[Pokesan]

Put the spawn down to 6 minutes, then everyone's happy right?

Here on blue we're not fans of "ezmode" solutions, like non-classic spawntimes or massive exp bonuses ;)

[Champion_Standing]

Here on blue we're not fans of "ezmode" solutions, like non-classic spawntimes or massive exp bonuses ;)

Blue loves ez mode

There is a guild dedicated to porting people so they can avoid immersive classic traveling.

90% of epics on the server are MQed

Zones with non classic ZEM are packed with people exploiting the easy exp

the list could go on forever, truth is that blue players do everything they possibly can to avoid any type of challenge.

[kagrobb]

How about making it part of the snow cougar spawn list that pops on the hill up from the camp (20 feet away) and just have it randomly spawn there or from any snow cougar spawn point for that matter ..... the 18 hour with variance has always been a bs move my sony.

I have said it on live and in beta on live from 2002 up to 2012 ... TIMESINKS DO NOT EQUAL CONTENT!!

Moving from a stupid random static spawn to a possible spawn from a 6 -10 min spawn will not ruin the game, at most it will be 1 eyepatch a day due to the current (non)classic spawn time on Lodi. That would be slightly more than 1 per day, counting for possible server resets. And a metric butt ton less drama.

[Rayzor84]

To the 48 SK : why dont you just leave computer on with logs and work/sleep/jack off like normal people. Come back.check logs. then come back for the TWO hour window he can spawn.
retard.

This. RIP verina tomb.

[Skew]

So this is an AFK 17-72 hour camp now? Who the fuck is going to run that list and fairly regulate it ?

Step away from the bong.

[suppresso]

yeah about those list's.. f them. first person in zone and at spawn point should get it period.

[SavageBeast15]

So let's discuss how fucking retarded this is:

StormFeather is an 18 hour +/- 2 hour variance I believe?

I was told tonight, by Hermionie(sp), that "AFK camping" Is in fact allowed and very much encouraged on this server.

As in, I'm going to sit in ice clad, for 19 hours and 58 minutes, storm feather spawns in the last minute and I still get my loots. So because there's a "List" That's formed, I'm allowed to do this.

So is "AFK Camping" Allowed on this server? Can a GM actually confirm that this is allowed? If it's not, how do we regulate it? AFK check every 30 minutes? I bet this wouldn't happen, you're understaffed as it is...

Why would this even be remotely fucking optional? This FTE has been working very well, for the last ~6 weeks. Why are you now taking a shit fit over this mob? What happened to X person for you to go ape shit and start DTing people and calling your co-staff fucking idiots?

As a member of the community, I reject your bullshit claim that this is an "AFK Camp" Via List style. I want to hear Nilbog, Rogean and the rest of the staffs input on this, I vote until Nilbog or Rogean calls the shot and the FTE message is removed, it will stay as an FTE mob.

Douchebag alert! Douchebag alert! Are you the one who FTE's without logic or fairness?

[Stormfists]

OP - No way man, I refuse to believe anything unjust happened on P99.

I mean, next thing your gunna say like... trains are actively endorsed and encouraged or something.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E2UoN6uVtek/VTQgSaZZYFI/AAAAAAAAANQ/p7m4uUiT0fQ/s1600/9J2Hxn6.gif

[Rararboker]

So let's discuss how fucking retarded this is:

StormFeather is an 18 hour +/- 2 hour variance I believe?

I was told tonight, by Hermionie(sp), that "AFK camping" Is in fact allowed and very much encouraged on this server.

As in, I'm going to sit in ice clad, for 19 hours and 58 minutes, storm feather spawns in the last minute and I still get my loots. So because there's a "List" That's formed, I'm allowed to do this.

So is "AFK Camping" Allowed on this server? Can a GM actually confirm that this is allowed? If it's not, how do we regulate it? AFK check every 30 minutes? I bet this wouldn't happen, you're understaffed as it is...

Why would this even be remotely fucking optional? This FTE has been working very well, for the last ~6 weeks. Why are you now taking a shit fit over this mob? What happened to X person for you to go ape shit and start DTing people and calling your co-staff fucking idiots?

As a member of the community, I reject your bullshit claim that this is an "AFK Camp" Via List style. I want to hear Nilbog, Rogean and the rest of the staffs input on this, I vote until Nilbog or Rogean calls the shot and the FTE message is removed, it will stay as an FTE mob.


People get this confused all the time. At this point I feel like a broken record. Afk camping is not what you think it is. Afk camping is done by pet classes by going afk and leaving their pet parked on a mob it can solo for experience. Generally done overnight so the person returns several levels higher. It had nothing to do with going afk between spawns on a static mob. Can someone please clarify that in the write up for the rules?

[Rararboker]

Addition: it is funny when I explain that to people and they don't believe me.

[Haynar]

If its an 18 hr spawn, u cant be there all the time physically.

When I got stormfeather on live, I was at the camp 68 hours. Stormfeather was a noisy bird when he spawned, so when I had to sleep I turned the volume up. I was 3rd in line. You had to be there. And we formed a line. When someone came in and moved up and sat on the spawn, we used /petition and a GM showed up. Usually it ended in the other ppl coming in leaving. The GMs actually helped. And they had to be called multiple times.

The line was physical, with ppl usually FD on the ground. They weren't at the computer the full time. I was at the computer 12-15 hrs each of those days. But if you wanted an eyepatch, you sat there and waited. And at spawn time, there were 3 or 4 thats showed to try and KS. An SK with a HT or high dps class is a must.

If you want free pixels, then elder beads are over there. They will message you when its ur turn.

[dustysr06]

If its an 18 hr spawn, u cant be there all the time physically.

When I got stormfeather on live, I was at the camp 68 hours. Stormfeather was a noisy bird when he spawned, so when I had to sleep I turned the volume up. I was 3rd in line. You had to be there. And we formed a line. When someone came in and moved up and sat on the spawn, we used /petition and a GM showed up. Usually it ended in the other ppl coming in leaving. The GMs actually helped. And they had to be called multiple times.

The line was physical, with ppl usually FD on the ground. They weren't at the computer the full time. I was at the computer 12-15 hrs each of those days. But if you wanted an eyepatch, you sat there and waited. And at spawn time, there were 3 or 4 thats showed to try and KS. An SK with a HT or high dps class is a must.

If you want free pixels, then elder beads are over there. They will message you when its ur turn.

sounds way better than just getting the timer, showing up for the window, and trying for FTE, like its been (to my knowledge with very little problems) for the last month and a half

[radda]

if you are Joey "Basement" WeedSmoker .

https://media.giphy.com/media/AldkU9hBaeH4c/giphy.gif

[Skew]

If its an 18 hr spawn, u cant be there all the time physically.

When I got stormfeather on live, I was at the camp 68 hours. Stormfeather was a noisy bird when he spawned, so when I had to sleep I turned the volume up. I was 3rd in line. You had to be there. And we formed a line. When someone came in and moved up and sat on the spawn, we used /petition and a GM showed up. Usually it ended in the other ppl coming in leaving. The GMs actually helped. And they had to be called multiple times.

The line was physical, with ppl usually FD on the ground. They weren't at the computer the full time. I was at the computer 12-15 hrs each of those days. But if you wanted an eyepatch, you sat there and waited. And at spawn time, there were 3 or 4 thats showed to try and KS. An SK with a HT or high dps class is a must.

If you want free pixels, then elder beads are over there. They will message you when its ur turn.


I've probably got the timer of 90% of the SFs that have popped since Velious dropped. Ballpark , without checking logs , he is probably averaging between 1 and 2 skips putting him at a very rough average of 45 hour repop.

So lets say there are enough people who live in Grandmas basement to camp this "live style" because thats how you did it when you were a young lad without much in the way of commitments. So we have what , 5 people in a conveyor belt on that hill for lets say , 250 hours waiting there turn once this list forms up?? Really?

And how do you expect people to get added to the list? Everyone knows how SF respawn works and will be afk for 16-17 hours till the next window - meaning anyone wanting to get added has to wait 16 hours to find out where they are or do we fraps/screen shot to show how many people were on the hill when we turn up?

I dont think you have thought this through. Not to mention why does it have an FTE message...


ps: why were you at your computer for 12-15 hours a day when it was ascertained that SF had a small variance and would skip to the next cycle?

[AzzarTheGod]

This thread is an embarrassment for the staff.

Strongly disagree. More embarrassed for OP and his attempt to snip some "logs" together.

But OP realized that the "logs" where meaningless, so the post ended up being 90% butthurt narration of what he thinks the rules should be. Only to find out he is as wrong as everyone thought.

[Swish]

If its an 18 hr spawn, u cant be there all the time physically.

When I got stormfeather on live, I was at the camp 68 hours. Stormfeather was a noisy bird when he spawned, so when I had to sleep I turned the volume up. I was 3rd in line. You had to be there. And we formed a line. When someone came in and moved up and sat on the spawn, we used /petition and a GM showed up. Usually it ended in the other ppl coming in leaving. The GMs actually helped. And they had to be called multiple times.

The line was physical, with ppl usually FD on the ground. They weren't at the computer the full time. I was at the computer 12-15 hrs each of those days. But if you wanted an eyepatch, you sat there and waited. And at spawn time, there were 3 or 4 thats showed to try and KS. An SK with a HT or high dps class is a must.

If you want free pixels, then elder beads are over there. They will message you when its ur turn.

Perhaps what blue needs is a Stormfeather ticket vendor NPC who hands out numbered tickets and calls the relevant player when it spawns? If he doesn't respond in chat with the correct command in 30 seconds its then passed to the next called out player?

Before anyone slates the idea, it's basically what you're doing without the vendor NPC on a lot of things and obviously there was queue jumping and people not wanting to wait.

I'm trying to save you from yourselves, please consider this.

[Raidz]

https://media.giphy.com/media/AldkU9hBaeH4c/giphy.gif

Guys with big hoops in their ears...

When your mouth and your ass just ain't enough holes to fit dicks in.

/mic drop.

[PlatLordlolz]

Sirken bashes staff like its second nature...hahaha

but cries when people bash him.

[Secrets]

judging by the rest of the missing screenshots i'd say this is fabricated beyond the 3 screenshots

[Secrets]

aaand yep. it is.

[Sat Sep 12 11:59:29 2015] Sirken says, 'and yes, i can more or less do what i feel is best'
[Sat Sep 12 11:59:30 2015] Sirken says, 'including banning your dumbass... deal with it'

unless sirken types more than 180 wpm, that's not humanly possible.

[Big_Japan]

could have been a temporary network issue

[Secrets]

could have been a temporary network issue

maybe he was born with it

maybe it's bullshit

[AzzarTheGod]

maybe it's bullshit

Its bullshit. Anyone who knows sirk in-game knows he types 5 wpm average and peaks at 15 wpm when aroused and can't be bothered half the time with stupid discussions.

Looks like someone got DT'd for disrespecting a rule/ruling, and that was the end of it after saying he would double-check the FTE/Camp status with staff.

secrets bb pls come back

[Big_Japan]

aaand yep. it is.

[Sat Sep 12 11:59:29 2015] Sirken says, 'and yes, i can more or less do what i feel is best'
[Sat Sep 12 11:59:30 2015] Sirken says, 'including banning your dumbass... deal with it'

unless sirken types more than 180 wpm, that's not humanly possible.

wait a minute 180wpm is totally possible. i can hit 130 for a stretch and i have hardly trained for it other than being a basement dweller

[fishingme]

Never done this camp but it sounds similar to verina tomb, which is a fte camp.

[EVocati]

This. RIP verina tomb.

Right? how bout a 2D delay + 5day variable timer. Yeah, 12 days to get mine. Arguably, though setting EVERYONE to an Enchanter epic like that would really blow, but, w/e they aren't gonna change it.

[Swish]

Never done this camp but it sounds similar to verina tomb, which is a fte camp.

Everything you thought you knew about this thread,,, throw it away. The rulebook is going to have to be rewritten, he's right.

[Denning]

Dunno just read something about a list, but who regulates a list on a 18hour spawn with a variance, mob has no PH, cant spawn any earlier by other means? who to say there wont be special treatment to the list? i got next on list, my friends has next, his friend has next till it runs through a whole guild and there alts? just a question.

[Swish]

It's just asking for the GMs to police another queue. I don't think that's reasonable.

[Pokesan]

judging by the rest of the missing screenshots i'd say this is fabricated beyond the 3 screenshots

it would own hard if this story was (almost) entirely fictional

[Rararboker]

Dunno just read something about a list, but who regulates a list on a 18hour spawn with a variance, mob has no PH, cant spawn any earlier by other means? who to say there wont be special treatment to the list? i got next on list, my friends has next, his friend has next till it runs through a whole guild and there alts? just a question.

As far as I know "list" are player enforced and agreed upon systems. Gm's only enforce "next" on the the list.

[paulgiamatti]

Dunno just read something about a list, but who regulates a list on a 18hour spawn with a variance, mob has no PH, cant spawn any earlier by other means? who to say there wont be special treatment to the list? i got next on list, my friends has next, his friend has next till it runs through a whole guild and there alts? just a question.

Guys, we can make a list for Stormfeather work. This isn't rocket science.

You need to be assertive about requesting the list from whoever is holding the camp. They are obligated to tell you exactly who is on it, and to add you to it. This is a GM enforced rule w/r/t camps.

AFK camping is not against the rules. You can AFK at camps if you want to. You only need to engage your mob within a reasonable amount of time when it spawns. What happens if someone is AFK when Stormfeather spawns? Well, if you're serious about getting the camp, it would be a good idea to show up during the spawn window if you're next on the list. This way you can take the spawn in the case that the current camp holder is AFK and doesn't engage it within a reasonable timeframe. Or, if they kill Stormfeather, then it will allow for a seamless transition to the next person in line - you.

So yes, if Stormfeather spawns and no one engages it (*gasp*), and it roams the icy tundra of Iceclad Ocean (dear god, no!), it is now a FTE mob. You can attack it now. It's yours.

This is much better than a dozen people trying to insta-FTE the spawn with pets, clickies, or low HP sit aggro. It will waste fewer people's time. You won't need a 30 ms ping to stand a chance at getting your map piece. It's orders of magnitude fairer.

[simp403]

They are obligated to tell you exactly who is on it, and to add you to it.

Nothing could possible go wrong with this. I'm sure the dude who just waited 18 hours to kill a flying eaglelion on the internet will be responsive and timely with a massive list of names.

[Mackie]

Guys, we can make a list for Stormfeather work. This isn't rocket science.

You need to be assertive about requesting the list from whoever is holding the camp. They are obligated to tell you exactly who is on it, and to add you to it. This is a GM enforced rule w/r/t camps.

AFK camping is not against the rules. You can AFK at camps if you want to. You only need to engage your mob within a reasonable amount of time when it spawns. What happens if someone is AFK when Stormfeather spawns? Well, if you're serious about getting the camp, it would be a good idea to show up during the spawn window if you're next on the list. This way you can take the spawn in the case that the current camp holder is AFK and doesn't engage it within a reasonable timeframe. Or, if they kill Stormfeather, then it will allow for a seamless transition to the next person in line - you.

So yes, if Stormfeather spawns and no one engages it (*gasp*), and it roams the icy tundra of Iceclad Ocean (dear god, no!), it is now a FTE mob. You can attack it now. It's yours.

This is much better than a dozen people trying to insta-FTE the spawn with pets, clickies, or low HP sit aggro. It will waste fewer people's time. You won't need a 30 ms ping to stand a chance at getting your map piece. It's orders of magnitude fairer.

I guess it's time to enforce rules against AFK camping then. You want to "Camp" Something, you better be there for every minute of that 18+ hours.

You wanna be hardcore and poopsock something, you better be there to sock it.

Keep the FTE. It's fair, if you can't get an FTE, either make a class that can, wait a year until everyone has one, or pay for loot rights.

I still don't understand why people are mad at FTE, it's fair for raid mobs, why can't it be considered fair for hardcore single targets with long spawns+Long variances and NO PH's ?

Paul, I'm sorry if I was disrespectful towards you in any ways last night, I was just seriously pissed off that I apparently "Was no longer allowed" To do what was as intended, and imo, the fair route to go about it. I've been trying to get it for weeks, and it hasn't been easy for a rogue.

I also salute you for actually waiting on Tephin :P

[suppresso]

oh gee look whos next on the list, their guildie... yeah that's an honest system

you people and your lists

[Raije1000]

amazing to see swish post more then 3 times without mention of joining red. that deserves more attention

[Skew]

Lists. Fucking socialists.

[simp403]

Lists. Fucking socialists.

[suppresso]

So I do not try to hide my disdain for lists on mobs like this or any other mobs and I'll explain why.

You honestly think the majority of people in this make believe world are honest and ethical? Think again. They are all anonymous to you and some are seriously pixel addicted to no other life then what they have here. They don't care about you or anyone else.


During double xp weekend I maintained the list for Chardok AOE for 36 hours and I cant even count the number of people who tried to bride there way higher on the list. And even worse I was offered a very nice bride to "hand" over the list to a particular person once I was ready to leave instead of who was next inline for it. I turned it down obviously just like the rest I turned down, but if you think someone who is ethical is going to be maintaining a list every time, it isn't going to happen.

If people want to be on a list they will plop their poopsocking but physically in a line and as the first person gets it they will move their pixel a couple inches ahead until they finally get there turn. if they are not at the keyboard the second it dies and the line of people move, they simply get skipped over, or my preference is to simply remove them from the list.

[Portsche]

amazing to see swish post more then 3 times without mention of joining red. that deserves more attention

Perhaps what blue needs...

[Pokesan]

So I do not try to hide my disdain for lists on mobs like this or any other mobs and I'll explain why.

You honestly think the majority of people in this make believe world are honest and ethical? Think again. They are all anonymous to you and some are seriously pixel addicted to no other life then what they have here. They don't care about you or anyone else.


During double xp weekend I maintained the list for Chardok AOE for 36 hours and I cant even count the number of people who tried to bride there way higher on the list. And even worse I was offered a very nice bride to "hand" over the list to a particular person once I was ready to leave instead of who was next inline for it. I turned it down obviously just like the rest I turned down, but if you think someone who is ethical is going to be maintaining a list every time, it isn't going to happen.

If people want to be on a list they will plop their poopsocking but physically in a line and as the first person gets it they will move their pixel a couple inches ahead until they finally get there turn. if they are not at the keyboard the second it dies and the line of people move, they simply get skipped over, or my preference is to simply remove them from the list.

its about ethics in pixel camp management

congrats on being the wettest of blankets

[paulgiamatti]

Got my piece from Stormfeather. Only person on the list was Raenin <Divinity>, who logged off, so the camp went to some guy named Nixel who was waiting there patiently. Don't remember which guild he was in, if guilded.

[Pokesan]

Got my piece from Stormfeather. Only person on the list was Raenin <Divinity>, who logged off, so the camp went to some guy named Nixel who was waiting there patiently. Don't remember which guild he was in, if guilded.

so you KS'd nixel?

[Pokesan]

typical BDA paulgiamatti

[paulgiamatti]

The glorious dear leader whose name we shall not speak commanded me to.

[paulgiamatti]

Nixel is also <Divinity> btw

[ridiculousmoose]

I guess it's time to enforce rules against AFK camping then. You want to "Camp" Something, you better be there for every minute of that 18+ hours.


God what a newb... thats not what AFK camping is. Someone tried to explain it to you like your 5 earlier if you want to scroll back.

[Tiewon Shu]

yeah about those list's.. f them. first person in zone and at spawn point should get it period.

I agree, and I abide by that notion.

[manguard]

Got my piece from Stormfeather. Only person on the list was Raenin <Divinity>, who logged off, so the camp went to some guy named Nixel who was waiting there patiently. Don't remember which guild he was in, if guilded.

hmmm. little convenient that you got it, don't you think? bush, towers, what in the world are they spraying, etc

[Merekai]

As someone who has completed the eyepatch and had to contend with 3-4 other people trying to FTE at the same time, this should be a respected camp. When I was there to start with there was a lone monk camping it, and I did what should be done: I let him have it and went for the next one. Then they came out with the FTE messages and that basically screwed my plan so I had to play the FTE game with all the other miscreants.

TL/DR - Camp

Chev

[Mackie]

God what a newb... thats not what AFK camping is. Someone tried to explain it to you like your 5 earlier if you want to scroll back.

AFK leveling VS AFK Camping.

GG.

[Shjade]

Blue loves ez mode

There is a guild dedicated to porting people so they can avoid immersive classic traveling.

90% of epics on the server are MQed

Zones with non classic ZEM are packed with people exploiting the easy exp

the list could go on forever, truth is that blue players do everything they possibly can to avoid any type of challenge.

Really ought to be plat server, the place where anything can and will be done for enough cash.

[Rararboker]

AFK leveling VS AFK Camping.

GG.


You fail so hard to forumquest. Just stop.

[Rararboker]

Just went and re-read the rules, how do people get this confused? It is simple as shit:

"It is against the rules to "afk camp" any npc or groups of NPC's by placing a pet nearby and letting it kill while you are away from your computer."

[Teako]

I love that the response is "this is how I'm gonna try to circumvent the rules, after I'm told flat out I'm wrong by staff"

Instead of stfu.wma

[dafier]

http://i.imgur.com/5931Hdm.webm

[dafier]

http://i.imgur.com/5931Hdm.webm

Blah...guess you can't link those here. Anyway...here.

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/ukBSczM.gif

[AzzarTheGod]

I love that the response is "this is how I'm gonna try to circumvent the rules, after I'm told flat out I'm wrong by staff"

Instead of stfu.wma

This is why I love it when Sirken lays a few DT's down. Some of these kids are in need of a spanking.

[Spyder73]

Some of these kids are in need of a spanking.

Its fun to take quotes out of context....PEDO

[Denning]

If people want to be on a list they will plop their poopsocking but physically in a line and as the first person gets it they will move their pixel a couple inches ahead until they finally get there turn. if they are not at the keyboard the second it dies and the line of people move, they simply get skipped over, or my preference is to simply remove them from the list.

this comment by suppresso is only legit way to do a list for stormfeather. How i remember it done on live, people waited physically in line to get camp. if you left you had to go to the back of the line. This is were you heard of people sayin "I camped Stormfeather for 3-7 days" was because you waited on a physical line till it was your turn. It is to easy for people to be bribed to get there name on top of the list and literally impossible for a GM to track who next, and im sure GM dont have time to keep up with the list either.