Roots Breaking(Enstill)

[Baler]

:mad:
My character is level 39,. my target was a level 37 soulsipper(mosquito).
I cast enstill 19 times(not all successful), the enstill broke 13 times. Many of these breaks happened within 2ticks of me successfully casting the spell.

This is the kind of crap that really makes me not want to play. Roots breaking one after another is utterly ridiculous. It seems like the game is totally broken in this manner. I'm not preaching against things being classic but this is just moronic.

Here is the snippit of my log with timestamps so you can see how fucked up it was.
[Mon Jul 20 08:27:43 2015] You begin casting Malisement.
[Mon Jul 20 08:27:47 2015] A soulsipper looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 20 08:27:52 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Jul 20 08:27:54 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.

[Mon Jul 20 08:28:12 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:28:16 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Jul 20 08:28:18 2015] Your spell is interrupted.
[Mon Jul 20 08:28:24 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:28:26 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.
[Mon Jul 20 08:28:30 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:28:36 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:28:39 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.

[Mon Jul 20 08:29:17 2015] You begin casting Malisement.
[Mon Jul 20 08:29:21 2015] A soulsipper looks uncomfortable.

[Mon Jul 20 08:30:18 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:30:26 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:31:56 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Jul 20 08:31:59 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.

[Mon Jul 20 08:32:36 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:32:40 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:32:48 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
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[Mon Jul 20 08:32:54 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:32:56 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.

[Mon Jul 20 08:34:36 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.
[Mon Jul 20 08:34:43 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Jul 20 08:34:45 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.

[Mon Jul 20 08:35:13 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:35:20 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:35:23 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.
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[Mon Jul 20 08:35:37 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:35:42 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:35:44 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.

[Mon Jul 20 08:37:17 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:37:20 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.

[Mon Jul 20 08:37:55 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.
[Mon Jul 20 08:37:57 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Jul 20 08:37:59 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.

[Mon Jul 20 08:38:07 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:38:09 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Jul 20 08:38:12 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.
[Mon Jul 20 08:38:13 2015] Your Malisement spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:38:25 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:38:29 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:38:32 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.

[Mon Jul 20 08:38:49 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:38:52 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:39:37 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:39:40 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:39:47 2015] You begin casting Enstill.

[Mon Jul 20 08:39:49 2015] A soulsipper's feet adhere to the ground.

[Mon Jul 20 08:40:13 2015] Your Enstill spell has worn off.

[Mon Jul 20 08:43:27 2015] You have been knocked unconscious!
[Mon Jul 20 08:43:27 2015] You have been slain by a soulsipper!
[Mon Jul 20 08:43:27 2015] You have lost experience.
[Mon Jul 20 08:43:31 2015] Returning to , please wait...
[Mon Jul 20 08:43:31 2015] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

[Bboboo]

:mad:
My character is level 39,. my target was a level 37 soulsipper(mosquito).


Stopped reading after this. Kill mobs lower level, this is essentially an even con and enstill is kinda garbage.

[Cecily]

Shoulda rooted it instead of letting it kill you.

[Baler]

Stopped reading after this. Kill mobs lower level, this is essentially an even con and enstill is kinda garbage.
True,.. I'm not 100% sure it was level 37,. I was told they're 35-37. So I presume the latter of those levels based on the breaks. Can I ask why Enstil is garbage? Is it really not a worthwhile spell?

Shoulda rooted it instead of letting it kill you.
Cute

[Gimp]

All of the lower level roots are pretty garbage. Just something you've gotta deal with til you get the higher ones.

[LulzSect]

l2p

[Swish]

Necro paralyzing earth is great, reroll necro is the moral of this story :)

[Bboboo]

I would just find a monk to duo with tbh, plenty out there and the exp is great.

[Tecmos Deception]

We're you nuking? Or using a dot with a DD component up front? Doing so gives mobs an extra chance to break root.

That aside, a -2 level is too close to expect to keep it parked well unless maybe you've got tash AND malo on it.

Regarding its level, learn the max hits. You can identify the level of almost all NPCs by seeing what their max melee hit is.

[Baler]

I would just find a monk to duo with tbh, plenty out there and the exp is great.
yeah,. that's best case scenario as my character is a shaman. It's just difficult to find a monk during low pop that's near my level.
Went to EJ because I'm so sick of looking at OT. which proved to be a waste of time without a partner there helping. So i'm back in OT blowing through mobs. I don't mind sacrificing a little exp to look at different pixels. I'm not trying to power game my way to 60, trying to enjoy the ride.

I have a friend who plays a druid and he expresses to me how often his roots break. We don't have good root rng. :(

[Tecmos Deception]

Personally I've always just used root until PE (or fetter on ench/wiz). I'd even keep root AND PE loaded until fetter on ench/wiz so I can save mana and cast faster when I know I don't need a long root.

Iirc I did the same thing with my sham, just stayed with root. But I didn't have epic so I was doing a lot of melee and nuke/dot until 45 and then jbb clicks until I gave up on him at like 50.

[Itap]

tbh, if you are rooting mobs 2 levels under you, there are going to be frequent resists and breaks. I was root rotting mobs yesterday that were 5-6 levels below me, and I had 0 resists and full durations. Charm works the same way. If you charm a "light blue" or a low blue, charm duration lasts way longer than if you tried to charm a mob 2 levels under you.

[Baler]

I understand that just about everything in EQ is based on level in some way. It is just frustrating when a target is rooted and then it breaks in a few second. Rerooted and breaks again in a few second. This kind of root-break-root-break loop is what I find so annoying and angering. I also use malaise line of spells religiously.

I just wish there was something in the code that would prevent the root-break loop from happening as often as it feels it happens. I can't remember back on classic live if there was a root-break loop similar to how it happens on p99. *sigh*

[Tecmos Deception]

It's annoying, but again, you were setting yourself up for this! Don't be frustrated with a failure, instead spend some time figuring out why it happened and how to avoid it happening again.

DD dots? Level of the mob? Malised? Tried root instead of enstill? Admit it's just not a good mob to be xping on and cut your losses? Etc.

[Tecmos Deception]

Don't forget rng. Did you only try this once and have horrible luck perhaps? Or have you tried a few times and still had issues?

Also, how did you die rather than gate or run? Did you not have sow up? Did you only move 1 step away after a root before doing something else instead of getting more range so if it DOES break quickly you aren't getting beat on immediately?

[Baler]

My sow went down before the mob started fleeing and in my attempts to get away I was stunned facing away and hit for 88 among other hits a couple times. Then the dot got its hp low enough to flee. I died because the original soulsipper fled into another soulsipper, I was at low life and low mana. I'd of posted the op whether I died or not.
I had fought other soulsippers which didn't root-break loop.

I run away from a rooted mob until I cant see its name above it.

Shaman dots are initial DD but what was not what caused the roots to break from what I can tell via the full log of that fight. For the first quarter to half of the fight I didn't even have a dot on the target, it just keep breaking root, even with malaisement on it.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Need to learn game mechanics

General strategy when soloing (excluding, of course, if you're a god-like bard) is to fight the lowest level mob that is still dark blue.

Frontier mtns giants should be good at this level no? Or kaesora spiders

[Baler]

Apparently you all know the server code and I have no clue how to play eq.
WTB EQ lessons 10kpp per hour.

I wanted to do something different I've fought FM giants a lot in the past on my first character. They're only good enough till 41 really.
I tried to do Kaesora but that place can go bad real quick. I gave it a few attempts even in a duo with an enchanter.

[indiscriminate_hater]

like most things in EQ, this is just a matter of trying things until you figure out what works. tecmos gave the most useful piece of advice here about mob levels. each level has a distinct maximum value that it can hit for. this should be your #1 criteria for determining which camps/mobs to target

[indiscriminate_hater]

check out FV cliffs if you're looking to stay outdoors

[Baler]

I meant to say.. some of you are being condescending. But I decided to post in RnF so portray your self how ever you choose.

I established the mob level in the op. I even said I understand that most if not all things in eq are based on level. I even had an idea for the level of mobs I was fighting.

The reason for the thread is the root-break loop that happens. It doesn't give any chance to do anything. Yeah I already know.. gate out or run and fight lower level mobs. That's really(sacarsm) helpful information.

[Baler]

check out FV cliffs if you're looking to stay outdoors

I left there after I hit 39. Went to Kaesora with an enchanter to check that out. It didn't pan out super well so we went to EJ and things were going good there. The OP happened when I was solo playing.

In fact the point of this thread has nothing to do with any particular mob or specific level. The point is the root-break loop that's terrible to encounter as I keep repeating.

[indiscriminate_hater]

In fact the point of this thread has nothing to do with any particular mob or specific level. The point is the root-break loop that's terrible to encounter as I keep repeating.

the thread started as a complaint about your root spell breaking but is now just proof of your lack of skill and knowledge in the game. in fact, specific level has everything to do with this. despite multiple people telling you this, it looks like it still hasn't stuck.

if people are being condescending it's because you're level 39 and still haven't figured out one of the most basic rules of EQ soloing. you made a post in RnF complaining about root breaking instead of trying to figure out what's going on (like, i dunno, rooting mobs of different levels and comparing results?). how many other threads do you see about this in the forums? shouldn't this tell you something?

here's some advice - make sure your SoW is always up, and has several minutes left before you start a fight. again, surprising you haven't figured this out yet. look on the wiki for areas to fight. there are way to many places to hunt at 39 to list here, and it sounds like you should stick to outdoor zones or groups.

and above all, always remember that there's no shame in uninstalling

[Cecily]

Yeah I already know.. gate out or run and fight lower level mobs.
Another thing you could try is root.

[Baler]

At least you picked an appropriate forum name.

[fastboy21]

Shoulda rooted it instead of letting it kill you.

+1

[Baler]

Can't cast a spell if you don't have enough mana to cast it.
I was at low life and low mana.

[Tecmos Deception]

I meant to say.. some of you are being condescending. But I decided to post in RnF so portray your self how ever you choose.

I established the mob level in the op. I even said I understand that most if not all things in eq are based on level. I even had an idea for the level of mobs I was fighting.

The reason for the thread is the root-break loop that happens. It doesn't give any chance to do anything. Yeah I already know.. gate out or run and fight lower level mobs. That's really(sacarsm) helpful information.

You can go fuck yourself :)

[Tecmos Deception]

It's one thing to want to rant about a mechanic you don't like. It's something else to bitch when people are trying to offer advice to help you not die as a shaman in an outdoor zone on blue server fighting blue cons.

Kimm was about the only post here that was a troll.

[Baler]

At least Rants and Flames is being used properly.
I guess I'm just being a cynic.

[Baler]

It's one thing to want to rant about a mechanic you don't like. It's something else to bitch when people are trying to offer advice to help you not die as a shaman in an outdoor zone on blue server fighting blue cons.

I know how to play everquest thanks to anyone who has given any genuine advice though. I've spent a lot of time reading and learning through experience. I apologize if my reply to being told something I already know comes off as rude.

[Baler]

also it is easy to say what to do. It's another thing to be in the actual situation.

[Tecmos Deception]

Not trying to be rude, but yeah, when a sham dies to blue cons outdoors it makes people wonder if the sham really knows how to play.

At the risk of offering you more advice that you already know, did you start the fight at fm/fhp? And again, were you using dots with a DD component that may have been adding to your root break troubles?

[Tecmos Deception]

Actually NM, I guess all sham its but the epic click have a DD component. All the more reason to use root (but surely you knew that) instead of enstill and to keep distance before casting a dot (not that I need to say it) and to not fuck with mobs that are barely blue (I can't help myself RNFRNFRNF).

[Baler]

I publicly admitted defeat because the server fucked me over. I don't think this deems me as a bad player.

I was looking to do something different, look at new pixels. Explore a little and have some fun.

I'm not trying to power level to 60 and be the best shaman on the server.

Thank you RnF crew for derailing the topic. Enjoy the rest of whatever this becomes. I admit defeat on this topic. By the logic of RnF I must not know how to forum quest. Good Day.

[Slathar]

Have you considered red?

[TarukShmaruk]

That's because the advice isn't really answering his question - he wants to know why Enstill sucks shit, if there's something he doesn't know about those mobs or the spell line in general.

Not useless shit like "go fight lower level mobs idiot"

The answer is Enstill sucks shit as do most of the higher level root spells and you're generally better off sticking with Root because it's cheap.. Every once in a blue moon Enstill lasts long enough to justify its cost.

Also those mosquitos have higher MR than normal IIRC and just like to break root a lot.

[Tecmos Deception]

Yeah. Not having sow up was the server fucking you over.

[Tecmos Deception]

Like I said, its fine to rant above bad luck. But you're not just doing that, you're also acting like you couldn't have changed anything to avoid what happened, even though you could have done at least a few things differently/better.

[TarukShmaruk]

RMT yourself some manners Tecmos

I can teach you some if you give me a fungi

[Juevento]

Enstill iirc is a notoriously bad spell. I think I used root on my shaman until I got immobilize. As others have suggested, stick with root and maybe stick to mobs that are 4 or so levels lower. Level difference has a huge influence on spell effectiveness in P99 (see all the issues with zlandicar and fear as an example).

[Hastley]

Makes me sad how bad and mad OP is

[kaev]

lol this thread...

There's nothing wrong with Enstill, it's just Root with a longer duration for more mana. What's wrong is using a mana expensive root on high blue mobs, i.e. mobs with a good chance to resist/break. Using spells with DD damage compounds the error by giving an extra chance to break (at a bonus to the resist iirc.) With the streaky RNG here you will go oom and then you will zone or die. Congrats OP, your relentless "but it's not my fault!" wailing has made you the RnF poster-child for that particular bit of EQ game knowledge/skill.

[indiscriminate_hater]

That's because the advice isn't really answering his question - he wants to know why Enstill sucks shit, if there's something he doesn't know about those mobs or the spell line in general.

Not useless shit like "go fight lower level mobs idiot"

The answer is Enstill sucks shit as do most of the higher level root spells and you're generally better off sticking with Root because it's cheap.. Every once in a blue moon Enstill lasts long enough to justify its cost.

Also those mosquitos have higher MR than normal IIRC and just like to break root a lot.

install sucks shit because the server emulates classic mechanics. we're telling him to "go fight lower level mobs idiot" because that's the way to deal with these mechanics.

reading comprehension is hard

[applesauce25r624]

:D

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+uninstall+a+program

what? it's RNF! somebody had to do it

[indiscriminate_hater]

:D

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+uninstall+a+program



best advice yet for OP

[Pokesan]

check out all the BDA posters being rude to a lowbie

smh

[Thiefboy777]

Soulsippers feet don't even touch the ground that's why root didn't work, it's science.

[Aviann]

As a high level paladin using this spell, it works legit as fuck even in high level dungeons.

Are you nuking it maybe? Nukes can prematurely break a root.

[Nirgon]

Some of you got WAY too used to the old broken mechanics here like root lasting full duration almost every time

If you try rooting a barely blue or even con, root should break hard

Planar mobs still need more resists, as do in town guards (the ones that don't yet)

[captnamazing]

solo lower level stuff bro

[Cecily]

Soulsippers feet don't even touch the ground that's why root didn't work, it's science.

[Qtip]

Best advice is stick to classic zones then kunark. Mobs have alot less hp which equals to alot easier kills. Try halfling guards in rivervale by pulling to the lake or bb docks.

Keep a lvl 1 halfling and ground transfer all the fs spears in bags to the lvl 1. Once done in that area, buy rubies and ground transfer back.

[Tecmos Deception]

Mobs have alot less hp which equals to alot easier kills.

Tell that to the bloodgill goblins (http://wiki.project1999.com/A_Bloodgill_Goblin).

Poor little dudes just melt.