All of you: Please vote for Donald Trump

[Nordenwatch]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/07/17/donald_trump_in_first_place_fox_news_poll_third_th is_month_to_show_trump.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthe m%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_content=55a91d53b3ef120de6000004&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

we can make this happen

[Samoht]

Watching trump is better than watching a train wreck in slow motion.

[Huc11]

Bernie Sander FTW!

[Huc11]

Bernie Sanders even

[katrik]

Trump is very anti gay and pro life. Ewww.

[Nordenwatch]

you could have DONALD TRUMP has PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. when this opportunity presents itself its your moral duty as a person to vote for him

[Speedi]

I am voting for trump!

[zanderklocke]

Nordenwatch can't even vote. He's Canadian.

[Swish]

Hilary Clinton tho...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/7/8/i/2/3/5/o/hillaryclinton.jpg

[Oleris]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/07/17/donald_trump_in_first_place_fox_news_poll_third_th is_month_to_show_trump.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthe m%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_content=55a91d53b3ef120de6000004&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

we can make this happen


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[Primos]

My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. A few years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 24, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your shitpost gave me cancer anyway.

I lol'd

[Oleris]

this is what I imagine the white house would be remodelled to if he does become president http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/bttf/images/0/02/Biffs-panorama.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080320053226

[Uuruk]

Man 2 of the top 4 threads right now made by chronic RMTers. Box is shit.

[Big_Japan]

Trump is very anti gay and pro life. Ewww.

the essence of the bait-and-switch that is one-party american politics distilled

[Hijiri]

Guy says everything we all happened to be thinking and people hate him, go figure

[quido]

Donald Trump is a turkey.

[katrik]

the essence of the bait-and-switch that is one-party american politics distilled

Yeah, I know you don't like it. That's what we're stuck with though.

[quido]

Bernie is promising me a revolution.

[Rararboker]

Trump is very anti gay and pro life. Ewww.

Sounds like good things, regardless of who is behind them.

Trump seems greasy tho.

[dafier]

Hilary Clinton tho...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/7/8/i/2/3/5/o/hillaryclinton.jpg

She needs to dig a grave for her whole family and prevent any more Clinton's from existing.

BTW, Obama's parents denied his citizenship when they moved to Africa in order to benefit from what the country offered. Yes, I know Africa isn't a country but there are several countries inside, and he lived in one for many years of his younger life. He also learned about socialism, something we Americans do not like.

[dafier]

She needs to dig a grave for her whole family and prevent any more Clinton's from existing.

BTW, Obama's parents denied his citizenship when they moved to Africa in order to benefit from what the country offered. Yes, I know Africa isn't a country but there are several countries inside, and he lived in one for many years of his younger life. He also learnt about socialism and adopted the thought process thereof. Something we Americans do not like.

[Thulack]

Man 2 of the top 4 threads right now made by chronic RMTers. Box is shit.

[kaev]

She needs to dig a grave for her whole family and prevent any more Clinton's from existing.

BTW, Obama's parents denied his citizenship when they moved to Africa in order to benefit from what the country offered. Yes, I know Africa isn't a country but there are several countries inside, and he lived in one for many years of his younger life. He also learned about socialism, something we Americans do not like.

At a guess I'd say there're 10s of millions of "we Americans" who suspect strongly that those are the kinds of things posted by ignorant raging retards. How's it going down at the Jade Helm observation post? Have y'all spotted the armored columns coming to take your guns away yet?

Trump is a self-serving piece of shit, like most every other politician worldwide (very likely including Obama.)

[Swish]

Can we have the gif thread back in here if this is staying? <3

[Archalen]

I'm not surprised a cheating RMTer would want people to vote for Donald Trump.

[Cecily]

Without the Daily Show or Colbert Report having Trump as a president would be more sad than funny.

[milsorgen]

Bernie Sander FTW!

[Pokesan]

hi thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exnaY0l4XsM

[central scrutinizer]

She needs to dig a grave for her whole family and prevent any more Clinton's from existing.

BTW, Obama's parents denied his citizenship when they moved to Africa in order to benefit from what the country offered. Yes, I know Africa isn't a country but there are several countries inside, and he lived in one for many years of his younger life. He also learned about socialism, something we Americans do not like.

Americans love socialism, that's why the American economy is propped up by defense spending where politicians fight to get bits of overpriced items made in their districts regardless of the added expense of shipping logistics/multiple sites ect ect. And that's why America spends more per capita on healthcare then any other developed nation (and that's BEFORE the ACA existed).

Americans just don't like the WORD socialism.

But they absolutely love the socialism that exists within their mixed economy. Some split hairs about who they think the recipients of common revenue streams should be, but they never actually turn the faucets off. No matter what.

[GnashingOfTeeth]

If trump makes it, lol

[justin2090]

It would be great if Trump won. I miss all the comedy from the Bush years. I mean seriously Obama put Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert out of business.

[Doors]

Trumps an idiot but his brutal honesty is actually kinda refreshing. Every other politician just tells you exactly what you want to hear.

[nhdjoseywales]

Americans love socialism, that's why the American economy is propped up by defense spending where politicians fight to get bits of overpriced items made in their districts regardless of the added expense of shipping logistics/multiple sites ect ect. And that's why America spends more per capita on healthcare then any other developed nation (and that's BEFORE the ACA existed).

Americans just don't like the WORD socialism.

But they absolutely love the socialism that exists within their mixed economy. Some split hairs about who they think the recipients of common revenue streams should be, but they never actually turn the faucets off. No matter what.

pretty much this....although i suspect it has more to do with black guy in the white house than anything else. when a white guy implemented the program the ACA was modeled after, no one screamed socialism, they applauded and offered the plan as an alternative to hillary's plan when bill was president. when people who claim obama is a disgrace or whatever nonsense, they never have viable factual reasons, just vague bullshit that no one would have ever said about a white president in a million years. the disrespect shown to the office of the president in the last 7 years is fucking appalling.

[Swish]

the disrespect shown to the office of the president in the last 7 years is fucking appalling.

nobody said a bad word about George W Bush, right?

[nhdjoseywales]

nobody said a bad word about George W Bush, right?

no one called him a "n*gger", no one questioned his citizenship, no one accused him of trying to take over texas, he wasnt constantly accused of betraying our country by a major news network, no one made up a lie a day about him. was he unpopular, yes. was he shown the disrespect obama has been shown? not by a long fucking shot dude.

[nhdjoseywales]

no one greeted bush by waving flags of the people that enslaved his ancestors. but yeah, totes the same swish, totes the same

[nhdjoseywales]

Hell, just go lok up congressional votes for major presidential initiatives over the last 50 years. every single president had at least some bipartisan support for all their major initiatives until we hit 2008, then it drops to literally zero in most cases. but yeah, its the same as before, totally.

[Swish]

triple post, must have struck a nerve.

[Efwan]

no one called him a "n*gger", no one questioned his citizenship, no one accused him of trying to take over texas, he wasnt constantly accused of betraying our country by a major news network, no one made up a lie a day about him. was he unpopular, yes. was he shown the disrespect obama has been shown? not by a long fucking shot dude.

Lol Obama has deserved every bit of the disrespect he garnishes. We all know there's only one reason he was put into office and God help us if we ever make this mistake again.

[Verenity]

Without the Daily Show or Colbert Report having Trump as a president would be more sad than funny.

Start watching John Oliver, he's absolutely the best news-related comedy out there right now.

[Samoht]

no one called him a "n*gger", no one questioned his citizenship, no one accused him of trying to take over texas, he wasnt constantly accused of betraying our country by a major news network, no one made up a lie a day about him. was he unpopular, yes. was he shown the disrespect obama has been shown? not by a long fucking shot dude.

have you never heard the word "nukular"

maybe you missed all of the pictures comparing bush to chimpanzees

http://f.tqn.com/y/politicalhumor/1/S/l/7/bush_chimp.jpg

bush was constantly ridiculed and portrayed as an idiot. it's also been alleged that he was a puppet of the saudis (just like his daddy) and/or dick cheney.

and his brother totally didn't throw out democratic votes in florida so he could barely win the national election. twice. dangling chads don't show intent to vote, motherfucker. it has to be perforated all the way through and then torn off and placed in the respective chad receptacle.

but no, he was just unpopular. he wasn't ever dragged through the mud.

[Samoht]

how many times has obama gotten a black eye from choking on a pretzel? dick cheney probably punched his ass out to keep him in line. we know what dick is capable of. he shot that one motherfucker in with a shotgun. in the face.

[nhdjoseywales]

have you never heard the word "nukular"

maybe you missed all of the pictures comparing bush to chimpanzees

http://f.tqn.com/y/politicalhumor/1/S/l/7/bush_chimp.jpg

bush was constantly ridiculed and portrayed as an idiot. it's also been alleged that he was a puppet of the saudis (just like his daddy) and/or dick cheney.

and his brother totally didn't throw out democratic votes in florida so he could barely win the national election. twice. dangling chads don't show intent to vote, motherfucker. it has to be perforated all the way through and then torn off and placed in the respective chad receptacle.

but no, he was just unpopular. he wasn't ever dragged through the mud.

so directly quoting someone mis-pronouncing words is equivalent to making up stories about death panels and kenyan muslims? gotcha. and physical traits are physical traits. i have no issue with pics of jug eared barry obama, they are fucking jug ears. however if you start making monkey pics of obama, thats a whole diff issue.

also to be fair, tripling the debt, crashing the world economy, and starting two un-winnable wars probably does get you some ridicule and derision. obama gave you health care just like every other first world country and for that he is the antichrist? yeah, makes total sense man.

[nhdjoseywales]

how many times has obama gotten a black eye from choking on a pretzel? dick cheney probably punched his ass out to keep him in line. we know what dick is capable of. he shot that one motherfucker in with a shotgun. in the face.

dick is one mean fucker

[Pokesan]

Start watching John Oliver, he's absolutely the best news-related comedy out there right now.

last week tonight is identical to the daily show, except instead of using comedic timing and delivery, they hired mr bean to shout jokes at the camera

[Samoht]

so directly quoting someone mis-pronouncing words is equivalent to making up stories about death panels and kenyan muslims? gotcha. and physical traits are physical traits.

do you even know who chad is or how he got pregnant? do you? i think your memory is just better for the current president because it's more recent. we've had three two-term presidents in the row over the last 22 years, and each one has been deeply flawed and full of scandal, but the sheer lack of diversity is going to cause you to focus more on the most recent one and forget about the other two or the two terrible presidents that came before them.

[Pokesan]

so directly quoting someone mis-pronouncing words is equivalent to making up stories about death panels and kenyan muslims? gotcha. and physical traits are physical traits. i have no issue with pics of jug eared barry obama, they are fucking jug ears. however if you start making monkey pics of obama, thats a whole diff issue.

also to be fair, tripling the debt, crashing the world economy, and starting two un-winnable wars probably does get you some ridicule and derision. obama gave you health care just like every other first world country and for that he is the antichrist? yeah, makes total sense man.

no. he had the perfect opportunity to(majority in both houses), but our healthcare is still pretty retarded. he could have beaten the blue dogs :mad:

[Swish]

also to be fair, tripling the debt, crashing the world economy, and starting two un-winnable wars probably does get you some ridicule and derision. obama gave you health care just like every other first world country and for that he is the antichrist? yeah, makes total sense man.

He also raised America's debt ceiling, you guys aren't getting out of that.

[Pokesan]

He also raised America's debt ceiling, you guys aren't getting out of that.

debt ceiling has been raised many many times prior to obama, this is a non-statement

[Efwan]

obama gave you health care just like every other first world country and for that he is the antichrist? yeah, makes total sense man.

You really have no idea how horrible Obama care is do you? Can't wait for Trump to get rid of that stupid shit

[myriverse]

You really have no idea how horrible Obama care is do you?
Better than what we had before.

[Samoht]

why do we even refer to ACA as obamacare? it seems ignorant to given credit to something written by MITT ROMNEY and implemented BY HIM in the state of Massachusetts while he was governor.

MITT ROMNEY CARE on top of that should be seen as every republicans wet dream because it requires private citizens to PAY for insurance. that's right. poor people are now FORCED to pay money to non-government entities for a FARCE of an insurance plan.

isn't that what being a fiscal conservative is all about? forcing poor people into debt while making bankers richer? right?

OBAMACARE SUCKS YALL

[Coffee]

Pass

[maskedmelon]

Hell, just go lok up congressional votes for major presidential initiatives over the last 50 years. every single president had at least some bipartisan support for all their major initiatives until we hit 2008, then it drops to literally zero in most cases. but yeah, its the same as before, totally.

Hmmm, so you mean every other President over the last 50 years was able to garner some measure of support from the other side? Hmmmm.....

[maskedmelon]

debt ceiling has been raised many many times prior to obama, this is a non-statement

Right. When would you guess was the last time that the US national debt was at its current level as a percentage of US GDP though?

[Pokesan]

Right. When would you guess was the last time that the US national debt was at its current level as a percentage of US GDP though?

I had to google it - end of ww2, right before prolonged period of major economic growth

was that your point?

[Patriam1066]

ACA didn't address generic drugs (or our lack of them), insurance companies, mark up for catastrophic care, etc. also, it's fairly well known that healthcare availability barely went up, due to the large number of rural hospital closures. Yes, more people have insurance. No, more people don't have access to a doctor. Let me get this straight liberals, requiring an ID to vote is too onerous, but requiring an 88 year old white grandma in Kansas to drive 50 miles to a hospital is OK? ACA = a transfer payment from rural whites, one of the poorest groups in the U.S., to urban blacks, another one of the poorest groups in the U.S. Tax dividends? Tax corporations? NOPE! Let's take money from rural whites. Yay, increased political polarization + decreased pragmatism.

Our two party system is a joke. I wish some of yall would stop pretending otherwise.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/12/rural-hospital-closings-federal-reimbursement-medicaid-aca/18532471/

[Samoht]

Our two party system is a joke. I wish some of yall would stop pretending otherwise.

i can only hope that one day we will have an actually left-leaning political party (as opposed to the moderate right democrats vs the far right republicans).

the party i dream of actually has an interest in helping the working class reclaim the country instead of pandering to campaign contributions and political action committees.

white collar crimes killed the economy? the chinese would have executed those fuckers day one.

we gave them raises.

[Hastley]

i can only hope that one day we will have an actually left-leaning political party (as opposed to the moderate right democrats vs the far right republicans).

the party i dream of actually has an interest in helping the working class reclaim the country instead of pandering to campaign contributions and political action committees.

white collar crimes killed the economy? the chinese would have executed those fuckers day one.

we gave them raises.

In the past year I have rarely posted here. I don't care about 16 year old elf sim at all anymore. I see you shit talking basically every poster here (which I don't care about a all but often find it very mildly entertaining.) Do you mind posting your qualifications and educational background to make the political assessments and/or opinions you have ?

Or is it that you simply like speaking bullet points from the school of nonsense ?

[Samoht]

In the past year I have rarely posted here. I don't care about 16 year old elf sim at all anymore. I see you shit talking basically every poster here (which I don't care about a all but often find it very mildly entertaining.) Do you mind posting your qualifications and educational background to make the political assessments and/or opinions you have ?

Or is it that you simply like speaking bullet points from the school of nonsense ?

oh, my. bergers much?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Idiots. Idiots everywhere...

[Swish]

In the past year I have rarely posted here. I don't care about 16 year old elf sim at all anymore. I see you shit talking basically every poster here (which I don't care about a all but often find it very mildly entertaining.) Do you mind posting your qualifications and educational background to make the political assessments and/or opinions you have ?

Or is it that you simply like speaking bullet points from the school of nonsense ?

Samoht just angry at the world, I feel sorry for him and he hates me for it.

[Sriracha]

OXFORD, Miss. — In a town where Confederate soldier statues stand sentinel on the courthouse square and a university campus, Anthony Hervey remained an anomaly — a black man who draped himself in the Confederate battle flag and publicly declared his loyalty to the secessionist Lost Cause and his belief that the Civil War was not fought over slavery.

Hervey, 49, died Sunday when the sport utility vehicle he was driving flipped into a ditch beside Mississippi Highway 6 near Oxford. He and another black Confederate supporter were returning home after speaking at an event to support a Confederate monument in Birmingham, Alabama.

[maskedmelon]

I had to google it - end of ww2, right before prolonged period of major economic growth

was that your point?

Yes, in part. Are you familiar with US economic conditions during the war? What do you believe was responsible for the growth that followed? You would not expect it was the debt itself, would you?

[Lady Julae]

Guy says everything we all happened to be thinking and people hate him, go figure

^^ This.

[TarukShmaruk]

Meh I'm super stoked for Rand but if you've paid any attention to what the electoral map looks like it's basically impossible for an R to win right now.

Lefty propaganda saturation is at an all time high and Repubs can blame themselves for not getting off the anti-gay bandwagon sooner because that's one of the #1 gateway issues for young people who will then buy all the disastrous economic bullshit that goes along with leftism

[Samoht]

Meh I'm super stoked for Rand but if you've paid any attention to what the electoral map looks like it's basically impossible for an R to win right now.

Lefty propaganda saturation is at an all time high and Repubs can blame themselves for not getting off the anti-gay bandwagon sooner because that's one of the #1 gateway issues for young people who will then buy all the disastrous economic bullshit that goes along with leftism

i think you mean moderate right... there's very little left about modern "democrats." as i mentioned before, look at ACA. written by republicans, first implemented by republicans, but when deficiency come up, they quickly separate themselves from it by calling it socialism and blaming leftist policies. hello? it was a right-winged capitalistic policy. nothing left about ACA. there's nothing socialistic about forcing people to pay for private health care. if we were taxed for it and everybody received equal healthcare from government insurers, that would be socialistic. that's not what we got. and it was pushed through by a "democratic" president, probably just for the $$$. any "republican" would have done the same.

but you're conditioned to want your team to win, and your team is the "republicans" so you don't understand that there is virtually no difference between democrats and republicans any more.

at this point, any vote cast for either party is a wasted vote.

[TarukShmaruk]

^Actually I lean a lot more libertarian but Rand is the closest we've got who has a chance to win

I'm fully aware of the coke tribe vs pepsi tribe thing going on

Idc who came up with ACA it was an awful idea then and it's an awful idea now but you can expect "free shit" to become a more and more popular message

[Champion_Standing]

Everyone in this thread confirmed dumb

[maskedmelon]

it was a right-winged capitalistic policy.

D: That explains why so many free-market Republicans voted for it! This makes all the more sense given that Romneycare was passed in the conservative stronghold of Massachusetts...

^^

[Pokesan]

Yes, in part. Are you familiar with US economic conditions during the war? What do you believe was responsible for the growth that followed? You would not expect it was the debt itself, would you?

do you plan on arriving at your point sometime soon?

[nhdjoseywales]

D: That explains why so many free-market Republicans voted for it! This makes all the more sense given that Romneycare was passed in the conservative stronghold of Massachusetts...

^^

it was trotted out back in the 90's as the republican alternative for hillarycare.......

[maskedmelon]

do you plan on arriving at your point sometime soon?

That is up to you ^^ How many countries have or have had comparable debt to income ratios? How have they fared? Why do you suppose the US federal reserve has been consistently increasing the supply of dollars for the past several years? What effects do you suppose that has?

These questions are all relevant given that events and conditions following WWII are either not present, unlikely to develop, or threatening to evaporate.

We have two very different scenarios. Understand both and understand the danger.

[maskedmelon]

it was trotted out back in the 90's as the republican alternative for hillarycare.......

So that would be why it was enacted at that time when Republicans controlled congress?

[Villide]

Trumps an idiot but his brutal honesty is actually kinda refreshing. Every other politician just tells you exactly what you want to hear.

You think he's being honest? lulz

[Samoht]

Yeah, Trump is just playing a character. I haven't yet figured out what his end-game is, but it's definitely not to be elected president of the United States.

[Villide]

Yeah, Trump is just playing a character. I haven't yet figured out what his end-game is, but it's definitely not to be elected president of the United States.

The greatest trick Trump ever pulled was getting old and racist Fox News addicts to think he wasn't part of the establishment.

[Pringles]

Trump is not stupid (how many "stupid" billionaires do you know?). You can't buy this kind of advertising the media is giving him for basically free. I fully expect once he's finished advertising himself / his brand, that he will withdraw.

I have to saw though, it is refreshing hearing from someone that is not a career politician, I am tired of them. He speaks his mind, and gives no shits about what people might think of him.

Regardless, it doesn't matter. Hillary is your next President, unfortunately. Get used to it.

[Villide]

Regardless, it doesn't matter. Hillary is your next President, unfortunately. Get used to it.

Trump might be a big part of making it happen, as it turns out.

[Pringles]

Trump might be a big part of making it happen, as it turns out.

Valid.

[Lune]

Meh I'm super stoked for Rand but if you've paid any attention to what the electoral map looks like it's basically impossible for an R to win right now.

Lefty propaganda saturation is at an all time high and Repubs can blame themselves for not getting off the anti-gay bandwagon sooner because that's one of the #1 gateway issues for young people who will then buy all the disastrous economic bullshit that goes along with leftism

Right wing economic policy anymore is just cutting taxes on corporations and appropriating money to defense spending. They don't even decrease government spending, they just spend differently, ie defense, medicare. You really think this isn't the kind of policy that has destroyed the middle class over the last 30~ years, since Reagan?

Oh yea, and "leftist welfare-state economies" like Germany, Sweden, Australia (before Abbott), Canada, Japan are such disasters right? Those countries perform better than the USA in nearly every way except sheer economic size and military might, and some of them have things like basic income, nearly free tuition, universal medical care, reasonable work culture, labor laws, etc. You see, it turns out that when your government invests in and protects people, instead of actively tries to plunder and exploit them, people thrive.

Americans really deserve everything that has happened since Reagan, just for voting so conservative over the years.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

-John Steinbeck

[Samoht]

You can't buy this kind of advertising the media is giving him for basically free. I fully expect once he's finished advertising himself / his brand, that he will withdraw.

Yeah, but what is he actually getting from it. He's alienating advertisers and networks left and right. He's already removed his name from his casinos, the ones he already didn't even own any more. The only thing it's doing is getting people talking about him, and he's not getting any royalties from that.

Remind me what exactly his brand even is in 2015?

[Lune]

Right wing economic policy is rooted in the antiquated idea that freeing capital for investment fuels growth and prosperity for everyone. That used to be a lot more true than it is today, because of the way the financial industry has evolved.

It doesn't pan out quite like that when we have depressed wages, and a lot of that investment goes into other economies elsewhere in the world who directly compete with domestic industry, speculative lending schemes, and economic bubbles. A lot of the tax breaks over the last few decades have gone into nothing more than companies who outsourced labor and ramped up their bribery of the US political system to ensure that labor laws and economic conditions in the US remained sycophantic to oligarchic interests.

Yeah, but what is he actually getting from it. He's alienating advertisers and networks left and right. He's already removed his name from his casinos, the ones he already didn't even own any more. The only thing it's doing is getting people talking about him, and he's not getting any royalties from that.

Remind me what exactly his brand even is in 2015?

He's probably going the Kim Kardashian / Sarah Palin route and trying to cash in on fame, likely wants his own show or a nice book deal. He's also performing a service for the RNC by running interference leading up to the campaign. People who think he's harming the Republican brand are clueless; he's distracting from all the other issues that cause negative attention for Republican candidates... which is almost every issue, and refocusing the discussion on one of the few issues where Republicans find bipartisan support among both the young and old, immigration. It's no wonder he's polling so high.

[Lojik]

I don't disagree about defense spending needing to be cut, but good luck getting a candidate elected who runs on that platform: too many people work either for the dod or some subcontracting firm.

As far as the other things, higher corporate tax rates just mean businesses relocate elsewhere, and a lot of what makes outsourcing so profitable is that unions here priced themselves out of a lot of international labor markets. How many American sailors these days? How many shipping companies incorporated in the usa?

[Patriam1066]

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00000019

We can expect some excellent socialistic policies from her I bet. Being a wholly owned subsidiary of banks is great!!!!!

And Lune, imma let you finish, but Japan's economy is based on selling us products, and Australia's was based on exporting copper and iron to China during their massive construction boom. Neither country has been anything other than centrist.

Switzerland is what I'd like to have. A government that is pretty much a joke other than public transportation, maternity leave, etc. in other words, local essentials. Everything else there can happen through a national referendum. They're pretty centrist.
Left wing and right wing suck ass. When you stop making smart decisions because of your emotionally held beliefs, you're an idiot. Look at democrats fighting uber. Look at republicans fighting Tesla's direct sale model. Both are done for reasons that aren't actually beneficial to the American consumer.

[Samoht]

I don't disagree about defense spending needing to be cut, but good luck getting a candidate elected who runs on that platform: too many people work either for the dod or some subcontracting firm.

As far as the other things, higher corporate tax rates just mean businesses relocate elsewhere, and a lot of what makes outsourcing so profitable is that unions here priced themselves out of a lot of international labor markets. How many American sailors these days? How many shipping companies incorporated in the usa?

Yeah, no. Not every state has unions, yet for some reason companies in states even without them still outsource every chance they get.

Unions are not the cause you are looking for. It's just a buzzword. You probably have too much Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh in your life.

[Lune]

I don't disagree about defense spending needing to be cut, but good luck getting a candidate elected who runs on that platform: too many people work either for the dod or some subcontracting firm.

As far as the other things, higher corporate tax rates just mean businesses relocate elsewhere, and a lot of what makes outsourcing so profitable is that unions here priced themselves out of a lot of international labor markets. How many American sailors these days? How many shipping companies incorporated in the usa?

It's part of a lax tax code that refuses to pursue tax evasion. If you do business in the USA, you should pay US taxes, whether you are incorporated here or in the Virgin Islands. Whether outsourcing was profitable or not shouldn't matter; companies that outsourced should have been penalized, not subsidized. In instances where free market forces are harmful to all but the oligarchy, the government should step in. Unfortunately, financial institutions are this century's railroad companies and oil/mineral tycoons, and they own the government.

Believe it or not, there are places where the government isn't owned by corporations, and business still thrives.

Just look at what Toby Abbott is doing to Australia, bringing American style politics to their system. The entire country is regressing and spiraling into the gutter while mining and energy companies line their pockets. It's fucking disgusting.

[maskedmelon]

yet for some reason companies in states even without them still outsource every chance they get.


Examples? Let's see if we can figure this out together ^^

[Samoht]

Examples? Let's see if we can figure this out together ^^

Dell.

[maskedmelon]

Dell.

Where are they based and to what unionized state do they outsource to?

[Samoht]

Where are they based and to what unionized state do they outsource to?

Dell is HQed in Texas. Dell outsources support to India and manufacturing to China. Support and manufacturing used to be based in Texas. Texas is a right to work state, and therefore, union free.

[Lojik]

Dell is HQed in Texas. Dell outsources support to India and manufacturing to China. Support and manufacturing used to be based in Texas. Texas is a right to work state, and therefore, union free.

Is Texas subject to federal minimum wage laws in this industry?

[Samoht]

Federal minimum wage != unions

[Charlievox]

The scariest thing about The Donald, is that he makes Koch Brothers sock puppet Scott Walker appear to be almost sentient by comparison.

[iruinedyourday]

Yall motherfuckers need Bernie Sanders.

[TarukShmaruk]

Yall motherfuckers need Bernie Sanders.

Man I wish I was young and stupid enough to get on board this hype train but I guess I think too much

[maskedmelon]

Dell is HQed in Texas. Dell outsources support to India and manufacturing to China. Support and manufacturing used to be based in Texas. Texas is a right to work state, and therefore, union free.

So as a right to work state, Texas has no unions, but Dell which is headquartered there outsources labor to third world countries. I think we can agree that the reason is cheaper labor. Now, do you think labor unions in Texas would make American workers more or less competitive?

I understand the point that you were making is that unions are not solely responsible of outsourcing. I agree with that, but they certainly exacerbate the problem. Wouldn't you agree?

The solution is to incentivize goods/services in which we are competitive, specifically local services (which inherently cannot be outsourced) and advanced technologies.

[Samoht]

I understand the point that you were making is that unions are not solely responsible of outsourcing. I agree with that, but they certainly exacerbate the problem. Wouldn't you agree?

No, I do not agree. It's the lack of federal oversight and the hiding of assets coupled with executive level pay that exacerbates the problem. You can blame the workforce, or you can stop paying CEOs millions of dollars and pay that money to the people that worked the hardest to earn it instead of treating them like slave labor and then throwing them away to pay people overseas even less.

[Charlievox]

A union worker, a non union worker and a CEO are seated at a table.
In the middle of the table sits a plate with a dozen cookies on it.
The CEO reaches out and grabs 11 cookies.
Then he turns to the non union worker and says, "Watch out! That union guy is after your cookie!"

[Lune]

Man I wish I was young and stupid enough to get on board this hype train but I guess I think too much

I know it's cool to hate on everything that's popular, but Bernie Sanders is a good candidate. Even if he is un-electable, a vote for him is a vote of non-confidence in the two-party system, as long as you don't vote for him after the primary instead of a lesser-of-two-evils candidate who can actually win.

[TarukShmaruk]

No, I do not agree. It's the lack of federal oversight and the hiding of assets coupled with executive level pay that exacerbates the problem. You can blame the workforce, or you can stop paying CEOs millions of dollars and pay that money to the people that worked the hardest to earn it instead of treating them like slave labor and then throwing them away to pay people overseas even less.

This is a nice sentiment but it's just not reality.

First of all, it's easy to find unskilled labor, it's a lot harder to find good CEOs. You think being a CEO is easy - it isn't.

CEO's don't work 9-5. The company is their life. People are compensated what the market values them at.

And all that talk about slave labor and outsourcing dies out when you end up having to pay a lot more for the shit you buy - it's all driven by competition.

Not just competition for products, but competition for talent working at the company.

[Samoht]

Someone is drinking the capitalist kool-aid.

[Lune]

This is a nice sentiment but it's just not reality.

First of all, it's easy to find unskilled labor, it's a lot harder to find good CEOs. You think being a CEO is easy - it isn't.

CEO's don't work 9-5. The company is their life. People are compensated what the market values them at.

And all that talk about slave labor and outsourcing dies out when you end up having to pay a lot more for the shit you buy - it's all driven by competition.

Not just competition for products, but competition for talent working at the company.

All the things you said justify good pay. They do not justify astronomical pay, which is what people have issues with. Even so, CEO pay is such a stupid, petty issue in an economy that's being anally raped by fiscal conservatism.

The public has as much a right to tell corporations how to allocate their resources as corporations have to tell the government how to allocate theirs. Ideally, when corporations are being inimical, people wouldn't work for them or patronize them, but it doesn't really work like that, the invisible hand is a fallacy, etc

[Pokesan]

i want chocolate

[Lojik]

The problem with labor unions, minimum wage, etc, is that they play on people's beliefs on how things should be, so people tend to neglect to look at it in a positive way (if this happens, then this.) The fact is people respond to incentives,both negative and positive. Higher taxes /costs here mean people will look for a cheaper way to do it.

Labor unions=!minimum wage laws in the strictest sense, but it kinda is the same thing. Isn't weird how labor unions are some of the strongest supporters of minimum wage hikes?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324048904578318541000422454

In terms of lax tax enforcement, not really sure how you'd enforce American laws in other countries,unless you're just adding tax on to prices of goods, but that's really just the American consumer paying.

[maskedmelon]

No, I do not agree. It's the lack of federal oversight and the hiding of assets coupled with executive level pay that exacerbates the problem. You can blame the workforce, or you can stop paying CEOs millions of dollars and pay that money to the people that worked the hardest to earn it instead of treating them like slave labor and then throwing them away to pay people overseas even less.

That is unfortunate because it undermines your entire argument by ignoring facts. It is downright absurd to think that making something more costly will make it more attractive (all other things being equal). You can assign blame on lack of government oversight as well, but outright refusing to acknowledge the former is just plain stupid :/ or (what I suspect more to be the case) stubborn. Either way, it's wrong.

[Samoht]

so people tend to neglect to look at it in a positive way

So you're saying that people should just be happy with the table scraps they're receiving as compensation for working 40 or more hours a week while corporations reap record breaking profits?

In terms of lax tax enforcement, not really sure how you'd enforce American laws in other countries,unless you're just adding tax on to prices of goods, but that's really just the American consumer paying.

Well that's conveniently short-sighted when you look at it through capitalistic eyes. Too bad that's probably the worst view to have.

[maskedmelon]

The public has as much a right to tell corporations how to allocate their resources as corporations have to tell the government how to allocate theirs.

I agree, neither posses any such right, nor should they, nor should either possess the right to wield the strong arm of government to manipulate the other's property.

[Samoht]

That is unfortunate because it undermines your entire argument by ignoring facts. It is downright absurd to think that making something more costly will make it more attractive (all other things being equal). You can assign blame on lack of government oversight as well, but outright refusing to acknowledge the former is just plain stupid :/ or (what I suspect more to be the case) stubborn. Either way, it's wrong.

I'm sorry, but the only people stubborn and ignoring facts are the ones ignoring how CEO pay has skyrocketed over the last 50 years while minimum wage has not even kept up with inflation. The people in control are raking in record windfalls while the rest of us are barely scraping by while indebted to those with the money. It's basically 21st century indentured servitude.

[iruinedyourday]

I like how conservatives are like, 'no trust me it's a long game, I know we've been in financial ruin it for the last 30 years but trust me it's the best system and it will work if you just keep letting it do exactly what it is already doing without bothering it at all'

[Lojik]

So you're saying that people should just be happy with the table scraps they're receiving as compensation for working 40 or more hours a week while corporations reap record breaking profits?


Wrong form of positive buddy

[Samoht]

I like how conservatives are like, 'no trust me it's a long game, I know we've been in financial ruin it for the last 30 years but trust me it's the best system and it will work if you just keep letting it do exactly what it is already doing without bothering it at all'

It's Reaganomics 101. They keep getting richer, and the rest of us keep getting poorer.

[Charlievox]

American companies actually get a tax credit to help defray the costs of moving their plants overseas.
But funny how when they cut their labor costs by 90%, the retail prices of the stuff the still sell here don't go down,
Where do you suppose all that extra money goes?
But you still justify outcourcing because you think it will help you buy cheaper stuff.
And of course, you want to buy cheaper stuff because your non union job in your right to work for less state pays you such shit wages.

For those that don't remember, the greatest period of economic growth in the last century, occurred at a time when income taxes on the wealthiest Americans were at an all time high and union membership among American workers was also at an all time high and we had a thriving middle class.

But the Corporate bosses don't want a thriving middle class. They want us fighting over pennies so we won't notice that they are robbing the bank.

[maskedmelon]

an economy that's being anally raped by fiscal conservatism.



What do you mean by this? Are you arguing that the government should spend more, tax more, or both? Right now, the US has a larger debt to income ratio than any other state with the exception of perhaps Greece. Not sure where they sit after their third bailout though... That is not conservative fiscal policy.

[Samoht]

That is not conservative fiscal policy.

lol. how glib of you.

[maskedmelon]

Where do you suppose all that extra money goes?


Shareholders, the bank, investments... What would you do with it?

How about this, Suppose you commute to work via automobile, but realize you can cut costs by taking the bus. Are you going to cut the price of your labor to pass along the savings to your customer(s)? Why not?

[Samoht]

Shareholders, the bank, investments... What would you do with it?

Pay it out to the workforce so that you can increase your consumer base and make more money? I'm calling it the trickle-up-effect.

[Charlievox]

up until the advent of Reaganomics, growth in wages almost exactly mirrored the growth in corporate earnings.
If that trend had continued over the last thirty years, the average houry wage would now be around $75 an hour. But in fact, the average hourly wage has seen almost no growth at all in that time.

[nhdjoseywales]

Examples? Let's see if we can figure this out together ^^

Stream which was owned by Bain Capital took a lot of jobs from Memphis TN, a right to work state and non union too and shipped them to india. A couple hundred of us lost our jobs and flooded the memphis area with high talent tech workers which only further drove down wages here.

[Lune]

What do you mean by this? Are you arguing that the government should spend more, tax more, or both? Right now, the US has a larger debt to income ratio than any other state with the exception of perhaps Greece. Not sure where they sit after their third bailout though... That is not conservative fiscal policy.

US fiscal conservatives are not spendthrifts. Like I said before, in spite of their rhetoric they just spend differently (Defense, medicare, agriculture subsidies, etc). With our status as a reserve currency, it works in our interest to accrue a healthy amount of debt. That is not the case with other countries, and will change as soon as other powers are able to mount an effective challenge to the dollar.
Perhaps we have too much debt, but what you need to understand is that it isn't a Democrat-Republican issue. Both sides are equally capable of fiscal irresponsibility. Don't forget who ran it up so high in the first place. In California, after so many years of Schwarzenegger, it took Jerry fucking Brown, a Democrat, to get our budget under control.

The government should absolutely tax more and spend more, but intelligently and honorably. Unfortunately, with the current state of corruption that has permeated both sides of our political system, this is not possible. Taxing and spending have simply become means with which to plunder the country. Compare this to places with functional institutions, such as Denmark, Germany, Canada, etc, and I don't see how you can embrace American-style conservative economics. These places hardly even have higher taxes than we do, it's just that instead of spending tax dollars on flying helicopters around Afghanistan, they spend it on universal healthcare, tuition, labor benefits, infrastructure, etc, which are all evil things to the American right.

[TarukShmaruk]

I like how conservatives are like, 'no trust me it's a long game, I know we've been in financial ruin it for the last 30 years but trust me it's the best system and it will work if you just keep letting it do exactly what it is already doing without bothering it at all'

rofl - yeah, because that system you see falling apart in Europe as we speak is going so well.

France, Greece, Spain, just look at Britain and how far they've fallen because they can barely afford to be a major military superpower anymore.

The small, homogenized nordic countries manage by having very strict immigration and small population.

Also LOL @ the "the public has a right to tell corporations how much they can pay their CEOS" - no they fucking don't you dumb hippy. Anymore than I have a right to tell you anything at all.

Jesus some of you children drink some serious koolaid. I know all these pseudo-socialist ideas sound pretty and wonderful like butterflies and maple syrup but there's a reason it fails in the end and it's because we're all human.

[Samoht]

rofl - yeah, because that system you see falling apart in Europe as we speak is going so well.

France, Greece, Spain, just look at Britain and how far they've fallen because they can barely afford to be a major military superpower anymore.

The small, homogenized nordic countries manage by having very strict immigration and small population.

Funny how Germany has one of the strongest economies in the world and is a part of the EU. They are also ethnically nordic, but have the most inclusive immigration policies in the world and a booming population.

But you're just going to ignore both points because the truth is inconvenient to you.

[TarukShmaruk]

US fiscal conservatives are not spendthrifts. Like I said before, in spite of their rhetoric they just spend differently (Defense, medicare, agriculture subsidies, etc). With our status as a reserve currency, it works in our interest to accrue a healthy amount of debt. That is not the case with other countries, and will change as soon as other powers are able to mount an effective challenge to the dollar.
Perhaps we have too much debt, but what you need to understand is that it isn't a Democrat-Republican issue. Both sides are equally capable of fiscal irresponsibility. Don't forget who ran it up so high in the first place. In California, after so many years of Schwarzenegger, it took Jerry fucking Brown, a Democrat, to get our budget under control.

The government should absolutely tax more and spend more, but intelligently and honorably. Unfortunately, with the current state of corruption that has permeated both sides of our political system, this is not possible. Taxing and spending have simply become means with which to plunder the country. Compare this to places with functional institutions, such as Denmark, Germany, Canada, etc, and I don't see how you can embrace American-style conservative economics. These places hardly even have higher taxes than we do, it's just that instead of spending tax dollars on flying helicopters around Afghanistan, they spend it on universal healthcare, tuition, labor benefits, infrastructure, etc, which are all evil things to the American right.

You have to deal with the world you have not the world you want.

You're never going to get some benevolent government that taxes and spends honorably. It's just not going to happen.

Also, there's an amount Americans are paying out whether we like it or not to be the premiere superpower as well as world police.

Denmark and Germany and Canada don't spend what we do on defense - and they don't have to. You could argue we don't have to either.

But the fact remains that a lot of these countries - especially the smaller nordic ones - essentially live under the umbrella of safety that the USA foots the bill for. That frees up a lot of money to spend on other shit.

Again, I am not arguing either way whether that is good or bad, it's just how it is. The USA is big daddy and other first world nations have no fear of being invaded or conquered because of it.

[Charlievox]

The real kool aid is being drunk by the people who think that concentrating more and more wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer people is somehow magically going to raise the standard of living for the general populace.

[Pokesan]

The real kool aid is being drunk by the people who think that concentrating more and more wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer people is somehow magically going to raise the standard of living for the general populace.

this is irrelevant so long as my country can beatup your country!

[Big_Japan]

concentrating more and more wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer people is somehow magically going to raise the standard of living for the general populace.

gotta wonder what these people think a recession or depression actually is.

[TarukShmaruk]

The real kool aid is being drunk by the people who think that concentrating more and more wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer people is somehow magically going to raise the standard of living for the general populace.

First off, nobody thinks this. They just think your idiotic ideas of using government as a weapon to forcibly redistribute ends in corruption and failure.

Second, tell me more about how bad the standard of living is in the US. Despite your silly lefty myths, people don't "die in the streets" as a common thing.

People in poverty in the US live like kings compared to the third world. Go to the ghetto - I've lived there - and you'll see new cars, flat screen TVs, HVAC, at least one new generation gaming console, and many other modern luxuries.

You career-victims want to whine about FYGM when your only viewpoint is FYIDGM. If you want to see real suffering, head over to the third world - you're the 1%.

[Charlievox]

gotta wonder what these people think a recession or depression actually is.

For the fat cats, a depression is when the dividend chacks get a bit smaller for a few months and they have to lay off their undocumented gardener.

[Patriam1066]

Funny how Germany has one of the strongest economies in the world and is a part of the EU. They are also ethnically nordic, but have the most inclusive immigration policies in the world and a booming population.

But you're just going to ignore both points because the truth is inconvenient to you.

They have a strong economy because of the euro, which has absolutely decimated wages and economies in the south of Europe. Have you heard of Greece? Their pensions are paying for the Germany economy.

[Patriam1066]

They have a strong economy because of the euro, which has absolutely decimated wages and economies in the south of Europe. Have you heard of Greece? Their pensions are paying for the Germany economy.

GERMAN economy*

[Lune]

Also LOL @ the "the public has a right to tell corporations how much they can pay their CEOS" - no they fucking don't you dumb hippy. Anymore than I have a right to tell you anything at all.

The public has as much a right to tell corporations how to allocate their resources as corporations have to tell the government how to allocate theirs. Ideally, when corporations are being inimical, people wouldn't work for them or patronize them, but it doesn't really work like that, the invisible hand is a fallacy, etc

I said the exact opposite of that. Learn to fucking read and understand innuendo.

France, Greece, Spain, just look at Britain and how far they've fallen because they can barely afford to be a major military superpower anymore.

The small, homogenized nordic countries manage by having very strict immigration and small population.

Also LOL @ the "the public has a right to tell corporations how much they can pay their CEOS" - no they fucking don't you dumb hippy. Anymore than I have a right to tell you anything at all.

How far have France and Britain fallen exactly? They still perform better than the US does, again, in nearly every metric for general well-being except aggregate wealth (which in the US is concentrated at the top).

Japan, Australia, Canada, and Germany don't have small populations. How do you account for their success?

What do we have? A bloated military that we use to brutalize brown people, and protect the world from a country that can just barely afford to wage a war against Ukraine and has a GDP smaller than California?

They have a strong economy because of the euro, which has absolutely decimated wages and economies in the south of Europe. Have you heard of Greece? Their pensions are paying for the Germany economy.

Their pensions are paying for the German economy? What a curious statement. You solely blame the Euro for the languid southern European economies? It's as simple as that? Not deep-seated cultural issues and an inability to adapt to a changing economic climate? The German economy is successful because of good institutions, good leadership, a favorable culture, a healthy political system, productive workforce, and many many other variables.

[Patriam1066]

Their pensions are paying for the German economy? What a curious statement. You solely blame the Euro for the languid southern European economies? It's as simple as that? Not deep-seated cultural issues and an inability to adapt to a changing economic climate? The German economy is successful because of good institutions, good leadership, a favorable culture, a healthy political system, productive workforce, and many many other variables.

The euro was a bad idea, and it was pushed by Germany and the other Northern European nations. Those Southern European nations weren't competitive back then, and tying them to the same currency was essentially a tariff on their goods. Who in Europe would buy a Greek product when they cost the same amount as a German one? Look at Germany's trade surpluses. They are taking advantage of people.

Also, if you're blaming this on the culture of Southern Europe, it's very easy to make the same argument that people in the US have the same problem. I hear all the time that it's "the lack of a two parent family" or a "culture of entitlement" that keep people in poverty here. Which is it, a state issue, or an issue of culture? If it's a state issue, then it's clear that the people who designed the Euro were either corrupt of incompetent. If it's a cultural problem, I'll be sure to remember that the next time I hear someone in this country complain. I seem to remember a man saying something to the effect of 47% of Americans don't want to work. Are you saying that the south of Europe has a cultural issue which makes them uncompetitive?? Sounds awfully republican

[Charlievox]

new cars, flat screen TVs, HVAC, at least one new generation gaming console, and many other modern luxuries.

Is it even possible to buy a TV that isn't a flat screen these days?
HVAC is pretty much a standard construction feature these days, you can hardly rent an apartment without it.
Any kid with a part time job at McD's can afford a XBOX.

These are hardly luxury items.

And people may not be dying in the streete, but I have at least three friends who would be dead today were it not for Obamacare.

So don't hand me that bullshit about how good the poor have it in this country. Poor is poor by the standards of the country you live in not some third world crap hole.

Get out of the city and take a good look at the way some people live out in the sticks where there are NO jobs! There is a vast difference between urban ans rural poor.

The real mystery is why so many of the poor in the South keep voting the very politicians who are keeping them that way.

But I suppose, if you stand up waving a flag (American or Confederate) and holding a Bible and keep telling folks how that baby killing Black man in the White House is letting all those Mexicans come in here to take your jobs and that he's comming after your guns... Well...

[Itap]

lol at an xbox being a luxury. It's all about relativity

[Patriam1066]

But I suppose, if you stand up waving a flag (American or Confederate) and holding a Bible and keep telling folks how that baby killing Black man in the White House is letting all those Mexicans come in here to take your jobs and that he's comming after your guns... Well...

Yep. It's white southern voters. It has nothing to do with Bill Clinton signing NAFTA or Obama signing TPP. It has nothing to do with the fact that Hillary Clinton's #1 supporter is Citigroup. And it definitely couldn't be true that the republicans and the democrats are using identity politics to create differential coalitions to continue getting elected, while they, in reality, are following the same script given to them by the corporations and banks that fund our elections.

Since apparently you guys missed it, Hillary's contributors:
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000019&type=I

[iruinedyourday]

rofl - yeah, because that system you see falling apart in Europe as we speak is going so well.

France, Greece, Spain, just look at Britain and how far they've fallen because they can barely afford to be a major military superpower anymore.

The small, homogenized nordic countries manage by having very strict immigration and small population.

Also LOL @ the "the public has a right to tell corporations how much they can pay their CEOS" - no they fucking don't you dumb hippy. Anymore than I have a right to tell you anything at all.

Jesus some of you children drink some serious koolaid. I know all these pseudo-socialist ideas sound pretty and wonderful like butterflies and maple syrup but there's a reason it fails in the end and it's because we're all human.

Ur suuuper dumb

[TarukShmaruk]

lol at an xbox being a luxury. It's all about relativity

Video gaming which is purely entertainment is the very definition of a luxury

[Itap]

Its relative. In North America, it's not.

[Itap]

In 2015, your friend might live in a trailer, take the bus, live off EBT, free lunch at school, but they still have an xbox at home.

[Visual]

yall should become economists

[TarukShmaruk]

In 2015, your friend might live in a trailer, take the bus, live off EBT, free lunch at school, but they still have an xbox at home.

Typical of people who don't know how to manage their money. It's still a luxury. People used to make due with a lot less and a gaming console that runs an entire weeks worth of welfare if not more is a stupid purchase for a struggling family.

But then again the shame that uses to be associated with taking handouts is mostly gone and we're slowly converting to a society of parasites with their hands out

[TarukShmaruk]

Also that you think it's not a luxury demonstrates how disconnected you are with how our grand parents and great grand parents generation made it. And they certainly made it without whining for entitlements like you and your ilk are

[Samoht]

No more Rush Limbaugh for you. Seems like you've had enough since all you can do is regurgitate his hatred for the poor and less fortunate.

[Lune]

Also that you think it's not a luxury demonstrates how disconnected you are with how our grand parents and great grand parents generation made it. And they certainly made it without whining for entitlements like you and your ilk are

Our great grand parents generation was behind the New Deal, and our grand parents are obsessed with fucking medicare, which is either the biggest or the second biggest entitlement in the country, absolutely dwarfing any kind of low income welfare, and has support from both Democrats and Republicans.

Good God you are embarrassingly clueless.

[Pokesan]

eh, i think he's right. if you don't live in a straw hut with a dirt floor, you have no room to complain about being "poor"

entitled

[TarukShmaruk]

Naw you don't get to hide behind a pseudo moral high ground whining about the 'poor and less fortunate' and how much those evil libertarians and rethuglicans hate them

Argue on actual merits or shut up

[Patriam1066]

Typical of people who don't know how to manage their money. It's still a luxury. People used to make due with a lot less and a gaming console that runs an entire weeks worth of welfare if not more is a stupid purchase for a struggling family.

But then again the shame that uses to be associated with taking handouts is mostly gone and we're slowly converting to a society of parasites with their hands out

That's very true. Unfortunately, those parasites are called Citigroup and Goldman Sachs, and they control the government. Their puppet, Hillary Clinton, will win the next election, and our national budgets will continue to line their coffers.

[Samoht]

Naw you don't get to hide behind a pseudo moral high ground whining about the 'poor and less fortunate' and how much those evil libertarians and rethuglicans hate them

Argue on actual merits or shut up

Can you please remind me exactly what merits you were arguing besides poor people suck and poor people deserve it?

[Lune]

That's very true. Unfortunately, those parasites are called Citigroup and Goldman Sachs, and they control the government. Their puppet, Hillary Clinton, will win the next election, and our national budgets will continue to line their coffers.

^

[11bangbang]

Trump is very anti gay and pro life. Ewww.

Good

[blammo]

Naw you don't get to hide behind a pseudo moral high ground whining about the 'poor and less fortunate' and how much those evil libertarians and rethuglicans hate them

Argue on actual merits or shut up

lol

this guy probably makes less than 100k a year and cries about poor people. shut up, moron.

[myriverse]

That's very true. Unfortunately, those parasites are called Citigroup and Goldman Sachs, and they control the government. Their puppet, Hillary Clinton, will win the next election, and our national budgets will continue to line their coffers.
Doesn't matter who you vote for. They're all puppets.

Even Dum Donald.

[maskedmelon]

With his most recent announcement, I think he's just out to help get Billary elected. He has made a fortune off eminent domain and imagine the prospects for such an enterprising man when the President of the United States is indebted to him. Gonna be a fun ride...

[Whirled]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/miscellaneous-vote-votes-sock-sock_puppets-decide-pha0313_low.jpg
Which choice is the lesser of two evils?

[myriverse]

With his most recent announcement, I think he's just out to help get Billary elected. He has made a fortune off eminent domain and imagine the prospects for such an enterprising man when the President of the United States is indebted to him. Gonna be a fun ride...
He seems to be corralling the Crazy Right away from the main herd so they can be offed for the greater good.

[Ranndom]

Hilary Clinton tho...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/7/8/i/2/3/5/o/hillaryclinton.jpg

Enjoy your concentration...errr "Fun" camps