Police Officers

[Japan]

If you know one, remind him how worthless he is. If you are one, kill yourself.

Your job is to enforce laws whose justice is not necessarily guaranteed. Your oath specifically precludes the option that you protect and serve the people -- you're a slave to the corrupt legislators that permeate our country. The law's letter comes first, even if it entails limiting my freedom. Hell, your job is to enforce unjust laws that predate your fucking birth (prohibition, et al), throwing children in jail and dooming them to a life on society's underbelly for exercising control over their bodies.

You are the enforcer the Christian majority mafia needs to impose its moral "authority" into my life. You are the threat (or act) of violence despots require to keep the population enslaved. You're a sellout, a scab, and a shirker of civic duty.

Fuck you.

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[audacity]

What is your take on politicans and the military? I care to hear more, lots more.

[quellren]

I can't wait to see how this goes.

I'm sure it'll be well received and like the military thread, the OP is certain several LEOs will agree with his point of view.

[Seaweedpimp]

I say fuck japan.

[Malrubius]

If you know one, remind him how worthless he is. If you are one, kill yourself.

Your job is to enforce laws whose justice is not necessarily guaranteed. Your oath specifically precludes the option that you protect and serve the people -- you're a slave to the corrupt legislators that permeate our country. The law's letter comes first, even if it entails limiting my freedom. Hell, your job is to enforce unjust laws that predate your fucking birth (prohibition, et al), throwing children in jail and dooming them to a life on society's underbelly for exercising control over their bodies.

You are the enforcer the Christian majority mafia needs to impose its moral "authority" into my life. You are the threat (or act) of violence despots require to keep the population enslaved. You're a sellout, a scab, and a shirker of civic duty.

Fuck you.

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Stop your fucking whining already :D

[XDrake]

Bet I know who you'll call when somebody is breaking into your home. :P

[Swishahouse]

I think everyone should know how I feel about Florida Law Enforcement......

[Bodeanicus]

If you know one, remind him how worthless he is. If you are one, kill yourself.

Your job is to enforce laws whose justice is not necessarily guaranteed. Your oath specifically precludes the option that you protect and serve the people -- you're a slave to the corrupt legislators that permeate our country. The law's letter comes first, even if it entails limiting my freedom. Hell, your job is to enforce unjust laws that predate your fucking birth (prohibition, et al), throwing children in jail and dooming them to a life on society's underbelly for exercising control over their bodies.

You are the enforcer the Christian majority mafia needs to impose its moral "authority" into my life. You are the threat (or act) of violence despots require to keep the population enslaved. You're a sellout, a scab, and a shirker of civic duty.

Fuck you.

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Marijuana is for children.

[mimixownzall]

Yes, because a couple of idiot cops' actions speak for thousands of other cops.

cmn

[mimixownzall]

For every one of these idiots like the ones you bitch about, there are 100+ stories of cops doing great things.

Example: A Trooper here drove 70 miles to pick up a stranded motorist who was out of a job and relocating to try to find another job here. Trooper picks up motorist, drives him 60 miles (one way) and pays to have his tire fixed (after driving to the shop owner's house to ask if he would go to the shop and fix this guy's tire, it was Sunday). After paying to fix the guy's tire, he drives him back 60 miles and changes the tire for the guy (guy didn't know how to change a tire though he was 40 years old). On top of all that, he gives the guy 50 bucks for gas money.

[kinztz]

Hey guys I found this fresh new video on the internet, and id like to discuss what is going on here with you.

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Fuck this kid, fuck him. Look at him all smug swinging his wannabe light sabers. If you swing wannabe light sabers like this kid, or you are this kid, fuck you.

Good day gentlemen.

[Japan]

Wow, what a great guy! What'd he do after that? Hide on a rural highway and enforce arbitrary speeding laws with no statistical impact on citizen safety for a few hours, robbing multiple citizens at the point of a gun? Sounds like a saint.

[kinztz]

Hey hows it going.

[jerkstore]

authority problems all up in here

[oldhead]

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/507/original/dont-tase-me-bro-4.jpg


http://simianuprising.com/photo/dont_phase.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7egBQXH62dE/SP7RPP7j0pI/AAAAAAAAAEc/EqKjEuHjjX4/s400/don_t_tase_me_bro.jpg

http://rlv.zcache.com/emperor_palpatine_dont_tase_me_bro_tshirt-p235113409101794540q6yv_400.jpg


http://tshirtgroove.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/dont-tase-me-bro-tshirt-model.jpg


http://www.roadsignfun.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/do-not-tase-me-bro.gif

[Bojangles]

6 year lag between act and indignation? Couldn't have been that big of a deal. If in the last 6 years this is the worst that you can dig up on cops I guess they are doing pretty well.

It's not like campus cops are real cops anyway.

[Japan]

John Kerry only existed in the year 2004, and therefore this video must be from six years ago

[kinztz]

http://www.memedepot.com/uploads/0/207_not_sure_if_serious.jpg

[William_Munny15]

Everyone down talks cops. Until they need one, then they don't get there fast enough. Too bad 911 couldn't have a list of numbers with yours on it japan, and anytime you called in just hang up.

[Brund the Decrepit]

Is it just me or did Japan have a ';)' in his post title.


;)

[StinkyGreenBud]

I think anyone who served in the military should NOT be allowed to join the force. There trained killers most of them. I live next to a marine base and all the cops in town are ex-marines and there way to fucking aggressive. Also maybe a sensitivity course for each and every cop. Ya i may get shit for this but hey i don't want some ex-military who's having post traumatic stress disorder or issues with his manhood protecting me or even arresting me.

[Tseng]

FUCK DA POLICE!

[girth]

Fuck this kid, fuck him. Look at him all smug swinging his wannabe light sabers. If you swing wannabe light sabers like this kid, or you are this kid, fuck you.

Good day gentlemen.

You didn't even get the one with effects added in. WTF.

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[khazim]

Police have a rough job. Their opinion doesn't enter into it. They must enforce the laws as they actually are. Sometimes, this means their very job of enforcing the law is unjust, not because they themselves are unjust, but because the law they are enforcing is unjust. It's not a career I would want to get involved with.

[Swishahouse]

Everyone down talks cops. Until they need one, then they don't get there fast enough.

Until the NEED one???? Like when your neighbor's fucking corgi won't stop shitting in your yard or every time another Black person moves into your gated community??

Handle your own shit.

[ShadowWulf]

Handle your own shit.

Buhahaha what are you, 19?

[Seaweedpimp]

Buhahaha what are you, 19?


LOLZ im confused cause im 19 too!

[Erasong]

I think everyone should know how I feel about Florida Law Enforcement......

im actually moving to florida soon and my cousin is in the sarasota PD. <3

[Erasong]

Yes, because a couple of idiot cops' actions speak for thousands of other cops.

cmn

hey, this is happens to black people daily.

[Bruster]

sounds like Japan is a well educated individual

[XDrake]

Fuck tha police
Comin straight from the underground
Young ***** got it bad cuz I'm brown
And not the other color so police think
They have the authority to kill a minority

Fuck that shit, cuz I ain't tha one
For a punk muthafucka with a badge and a gun
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell

Fuckin with me cuz I'm a teenager
With a little bit of gold and a pager
Searchin my car, lookin for the product
Thinkin every ***** is sellin narcotics

You'd rather see me in the pen
Then me and Lorenzo rollin in the Benzo
Beat tha police outta shape
And when I'm finished, bring the yellow tape
To tape off the scene of the slaughter
Still can't swallow bread and water

I don't know if they fags or what
Search a ***** down and grabbin his nuts
And on the other hand, without a gun they can't get none
But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top
Black police showin out for the white cop

Ice Cube will swarm
On any muthafucka in a blue uniform
Just cuz I'm from the CPT, punk police are afraid of me
A young ***** on a warpath
And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath
Of cops, dyin in LA
Yo Dre, I got somethin to say

Who still thinks despite hardcore claims with this son and his album Cop Killer that Ice Cube is a bitch? Went from this to staring in family comedies.

[Humerox]

The world looks different when u ain't mad at it anymore.

[Nikeeta]

kinda shocked to see this video after so very long. I hate that it happened, it was unjust and shocking...but still: old video, old news. I wonder what actually made Japan post it when it's been discussed thousands of times on hundreds of forums over the years.
... Perhaps just to cause a spark? 0o

[Pico]

yes i would prefer cops to make snap personal judgments on every law because this is how society should work

[Bojangles]

Normally I'm a pro-law, pro-military kind of guy... but I agree with the dope smoking dirty-ass foreigner who hates America about disliking marines becoming cops. Marines should be carefully screened before being allowed into any authoritarian position. And Marines under 5'10" should be completely banned.

Short people tend to have an attitude problem, and Marines tend to have an attitude problem. I don't know what is done to short people on The Island, but every short Marine I've met was a raging psycho just looking for an excuse to use force on someone weaker.

[Seaweedpimp]

Im about 5'9 5'10 and im generally a pretty nice person!

[AexDestroy]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jS9Iv4g2muI/SSV4zfY-VwI/AAAAAAAABvs/hnNF06Rq0aA/s400/mdc.jpg

[audacity]

I think anyone who served in the military should NOT be allowed to join the force. There trained killers most of them. I live next to a marine base and all the cops in town are ex-marines and there way to fucking aggressive. Also maybe a sensitivity course for each and every cop. Ya i may get shit for this but hey i don't want some ex-military who's having post traumatic stress disorder or issues with his manhood protecting me or even arresting me.

ROFL oh my goodness, you can't be serious? CAN YOU? YOU ARE? LOL!

[Eyry]

If you know one, remind him how worthless he is. If you are one, kill yourself.

Your job is to enforce laws whose justice is not necessarily guaranteed. Your oath specifically precludes the option that you protect and serve the people -- you're a slave to the corrupt legislators that permeate our country. The law's letter comes first, even if it entails limiting my freedom. Hell, your job is to enforce unjust laws that predate your fucking birth (prohibition, et al), throwing children in jail and dooming them to a life on society's underbelly for exercising control over their bodies.

You are the enforcer the Christian majority mafia needs to impose its moral "authority" into my life. You are the threat (or act) of violence despots require to keep the population enslaved. You're a sellout, a scab, and a shirker of civic duty.

Fuck you.

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I was there and the kid deserved it...stupid shit...

[Japan]

Even Taser markets its weapons as "less-lethal", not "nonlethal". To say a college kid who was posing absolutely no physical threat to anyone but himself (read the involved officers' testimonies; they claim to have tased him because he was in a position where he could have caused an officer to accidentally fuck up his shoulder) deserved to have lethal force applied to him is fucking insane.

These officers were/are trained to apply lethal force so the police department can avoid liability for accidentally tearing some dude's shoulder up. That's how fucked up this country is.

[Tiggles]

It's liberal fucks like Japan and the people defending that disrespectful punk of a kid who got tazed are the reason why our country is circling the drain.

Of course certain cops are terrible just like the guy who makes your Big Mac may be shitty at his job, that doesn't meant all cops are fascists.

I'm sure you have never ever been harassed by a cop for something you actually did you "Blame everyone else" Queer. If you disagree with the laws do something to change it just because you don't like a rule doesn't mean you can ignore it.

The kid was a disruption he was told multiple times to stand down he threw a scene started to kick and flail and got pacified with a tazer, he deserved it.

Cops have such a hard time now because liberal and racist minorities will lie and only tell one side of the story to try and discredit anything they perceive as conservative. Like the cop who got shot by an AK-47 in the desert chasing Illegal immigrants and liberals said he lied and shot himself for publicity because some hack said he saw powder burns on his shirt and how we persecute Illegals and abuse them. Of course, when the shirt is tested multiple times by impartial analysis its gets a tiny blurb on the news.

In closing

Fuck You

[Tiggles]

I hope I don't fuck these up

http://memegenerator.net/Liberal-Douche-Garofalo/ImageMacro/3023590/legalize-drugs-outlaw-happy-meals

http://memegenerator.net/Liberal-Douche-Garofalo/ImageMacro/3020401/THINK-FOR-YOURSELF-THEN-THINK-LIKE-ME-OR-YOUR-A-RACIST-NAZI-EVIL-SCUMBAG

http://memegenerator.net/Liberal-Douche-Garofalo/ImageMacro/2872964/burn-the-bible-free-speech-burn-the-quran-hate-crime

[Shannacore]

haha, tiggles IRC misses you

[XDrake]

Am I the only one that believes you lose the right not to get your ass beat when you physically resist arrest?

[Tumdumm]

Am I the only one that believes you lose the right not to get your ass beat when you physically resist arrest?

depends if you ever had that right in the first place in my experience....
really depends on if the mounted camera is pointed in your direction or if anyone is around to see what happens

[purist]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jS9Iv4g2muI/SSV4zfY-VwI/AAAAAAAABvs/hnNF06Rq0aA/s400/mdc.jpg

Good band.

[Japan]

The kid was a disruption he was told multiple times to stand down he threw a scene started to kick and flail and got pacified with a tazer, he deserved it.


He was annoying, therefore the State had the right to roll the dice with his life?

You're a fucking fascist pal, no two ways about it.

[Aadill]

I keep reading the title of this thread as Polite Officers because of the little winking smiley face icon next to it.


STOP CONFUSING ME.

[purist]

I hope Tiggles is trolling, the paragraph where he starts talking about Dep. Louie Puroll seems to suggest so. He is the deputy who it seems staged getting a glancing wound from an AK-47 on the heels of SB 1070's passage. I mean, what Tiggles said is the exact opposite of what happened. When impartial forensic pathologists looked at the physical evidence they cast doubt on Puroll's version of events, not confirmed it.

The New Times did a great piece on it which can be read here. (
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2010-09-23/news/pinalcchio-renowned-forensics-experts-say-a-pinal-county-deputy-s-high-profile-tale-about-getting-shot-after-encountering-drug-smugglers-doesn-t-add-up/)

[purist]

Whoops, fucked up that link:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2010-09-23/news/pinalcchio-renowned-forensics-experts-say-a-pinal-county-deputy-s-high-profile-tale-about-getting-shot-after-encountering-drug-smugglers-doesn-t-add-up/

[guineapig]

w because liberal and racist minorities will lie and only tell one side of the story to try and discredit anything they perceive as conservative.


wha?


Show me a 2 faction system on Earth where the one faction does not try to discredit the other faction.

And what the hell does racist minority mean?
Are other forms of bigotry okay though?

[purist]

I don't think we really need to ask why, we are talking about a guy who gets his political education from 4chan Janeane Garofalo memes. Either we've just been trolled or he is actually a retard.

[Bojangles]

Guineapig:
"Show me a 2 faction system on Earth where the one faction does not try to discredit the other faction."

The problem is that side #1 supports law and order. You know, the shit that keeps a society running. When side #2 opposes that merely because side #1 supports it, then side #2 is no longer a valid political group it is a revolt that needs to be exterminated.

[purist]

Bojangles your political opinions are about as substantial as the Taco Bell fart I just unleashed.

[azeth]

think outside the bun

[Murphy]

You'll only hear the word "liberals" out of the mouth of a white man

[Tiggles]

When impartial forensic pathologists looked at the physical evidence they cast doubt on Puroll's version of events, not confirmed it.

`The article that is critical of the investigation was written by a reporter who was able to solicit opinions of those with differing views,'' the statement said. ``After a review all of the evidence in this case, the Pinal County Sheriff's Office has closed this criminal investigation and concluded that it occurred as Deputy Puroll reported it.''


And what the hell does racist minority mean?
Are other forms of bigotry okay though?

Yes, White power

The problem is that side #1 supports law and order. You know, the shit that keeps a society running. When side #2 opposes that merely because side #1 supports it, then side #2 is no longer a valid political group it is a revolt that needs to be exterminated.

This! too bad the Zionist controlled media tries to undermine our country for their personal gain

[Kassel]

The problem is that side #1 supports law and order. You know, the shit that keeps a society running. When side #2 opposes that merely because side #1 supports it, then side #2 is no longer a valid political group it is a revolt that needs to be exterminated.


#1) King of England

#2) George Washington

hmm

[SlankyLanky]

Good band.

gooder band indeed.

[Bojangles]

Bojangles your political opinions are about as substantial as the Taco Bell fart I just unleashed.

Typical liberal hypocrisy. You castigate me for not being substantial enough... in a post with 1 sentence. Care to elaborate on your arguments and counter-arguments in a substantial way? Please note: "TL;DR" is not considered 'substantial' for this purpose.


You'll only hear the word "liberals" out of the mouth of a white man

Do you say this because you think blacks pronounce it "libral"? Or are you saying that blacks aren't educated enough to know about the names for either end of the political spectrum, whose terms are often used as a simplified way of... Wait, I really don't get what you are saying. Please explain, preferably in a 'substantial' way to keep Purist happy. Also, why do you think white women would not use the word liberal?

Btw, did you put any thought whatsoever into what you just wrote? Because it can easily be disproven by even the most rudimentary of google searches, not to mention practical experience. You do talk to people who are not white males, right?


#1) King of England

#2) George Washington

hmm

Your historical knowledge of this country is about equal to your knowledge of politics.

GW and the colonists did not advocate the marginalization of the forces of law and order. GW et al did not advocate hating and distrusting people who had served their country in the military. GW et al did advocate a new way for a people and their government to relate to each other.

If the dems were simply doing this, then fine. Let the voters decide. But that is not what this debate is about. It is about 1 group of people who hate the forces of law and order simply because those forces tend to be associated with a 2nd group.

[Hodge]

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/dont-taze-me-bro-demotivational-pos.jpg

[purist]

Blah blah blah

tl;dr

[Stanlei]

Police have a rough job. Their opinion doesn't enter into it. They must enforce the laws as they actually are. Sometimes, this means their very job of enforcing the law is unjust, not because they themselves are unjust, but because the law they are enforcing is unjust. It's not a career I would want to get involved with.

A rough job? did you know that these people are trained to "avoid" your civil liberties? Are you aware that they will do (and have been trained to do) everything in their power to mislead you? I guess "Protect and serve" has lost its meaning. Protect your liberties people, research the laws and don't let the man get the best of you!

and to go along with that feel good, heartwarming story about the cop driving 90 mi or w/e...he gets paid, anything he spent is either payed by the state (tax payers) or is a tax write off...either way he was out nothing. So he got to drive for 2-3 hours and help a guy change a tire insted of helping little miss grandma bitch face out of a burning building because her cat got caught in the oven and it started the whole place on fire. Work avoidance for pay...on a 10 hour shift it seems to me that he got to waste about 4 hours of Tax payers money...not to mention the time he had to use to speak to the media.

You folks need to understand, WE ARE PAYING FOR EVERY ACTION THEY TAKE INCLUDING DRIVING AROUND TO HELP SOME RANDOM NOBODY CHANGE A TIRE!

[guineapig]

You folks need to understand, WE ARE PAYING FOR EVERY ACTION THEY TAKE INCLUDING DRIVING AROUND TO HELP SOME RANDOM NOBODY CHANGE A TIRE!

This sounds like a job for AAA, not law enforcement.

[guineapig]

Guineapig:
"Show me a 2 faction system on Earth where the one faction does not try to discredit the other faction."

The problem is that side #1 supports law and order. You know, the shit that keeps a society running. When side #2 opposes that merely because side #1 supports it, then side #2 is no longer a valid political group it is a revolt that needs to be exterminated.

This is quite possibly the dumbest political argument I have ever heard.

[Dac321]

Bojangles for President

[Thelastaxi]

Bet I know who you'll call when somebody is breaking into your home. :P

You see, thats the police's job, not breaking faces at legitimate protests and being an all-around nazi brownshirt.

[Japan]

Bet I know who you'll call when somebody is breaking into your home. :P

My Remington 870 will be the first responder. Then I will notify the police that there is a dying animal in my house, and they can haul it off at their leisure.

Contrary to what you imply, no responsible man would rely on sticky-fingered fuckups to find his house and defend it in an emergency situation. It seems clear from this statement that you place yourself at the mercy of criminals and our broken justice system, though, and I pity you.

[Akfar]

[I]Who still thinks despite hardcore claims with this son and his album Cop Killer that Ice Cube is a bitch? Went from this to staring in family comedies.

Actually Ice Cube didn't do Cop Killer it was Ice T, who incedentally plays an officer on Law and Order SVU

[mimixownzall]

My Remington 870 will be the first responder. Then I will notify the police that there is a dying animal in my house, and they can haul it off at their leisure.

Contrary to what you imply, no responsible man would rely on sticky-fingered fuckups to find his house and defend it in an emergency situation. It seems clear from this statement that you place yourself at the mercy of criminals and our broken justice system, though, and I pity you.

Actually, he just stated that he knows who he would call. At no time did it ever state that HE would call them. Not really the clarity you claim.

[Stanlei]

?

[Bojangles]

This is quite possibly the dumbest political argument I have ever heard.

Typical lack of intellectual depth. Please explain using logical arguments and examples, not just conclusory statements. Spouting slogans and opinions you read in a student paper might impress a few other brain dead liberals who already agree with you, but it makes you look both ignorant and intellectually incompetent when you face those who disagree with you, and you can't come up with real arguments for your point of view.

[purist]

Typical lack of intellectual depth. Please explain using logical arguments and examples, not just conclusory statements. Spouting slogans and opinions you read in a student paper might impress a few other brain dead liberals who already agree with you, but it makes you look both ignorant and intellectually incompetent when you face those who disagree with you, and you can't come up with real arguments for your point of view.

tl;dr

[Estolcles]

No, the dumbest political conversation you could have is who's the best communist:

Kim Jong Il or Fidel Castro.

Now someone get me a goddamn soda!

[Karrmer]

My Remington 870 will be the first responder. Then I will notify the police that there is a dying animal in my house, and they can haul it off at their leisure.

Contrary to what you imply, no responsible man would rely on sticky-fingered fuckups to find his house and defend it in an emergency situation. It seems clear from this statement that you place yourself at the mercy of criminals and our broken justice system, though, and I pity you.

I work 9-1-1 dispatch for one of the largest agencies in the United States. I also am not a big fan of law enforcement, honestly, but I get paid well to primarily help people.

We get a surprisingly large number of calls for serious life threatening events - home invasion robberies, carjacking, rape, murder, etc. I then dispatch these to law enforcement who help these people. To genuinely believe that having no law enforcement presence would create a better society, particularly in the one we live in, is fucking insane. You're insane.

There are plenty of "bad cops" and douchebags, assholes, etc. But even the douchebags and assholes are there to help people when the shit goes down. I'd love to see how your life goes if we managed to make a fantasy world where one could create an exemption on your house so that there was no law and anyone could break in, murder you, rape you, and do anything they pleased in your personal property because law enforcement no longer had any jurisdiction over it. You'd be dead in days, mister "LOL I HAVE A PISTOL" idiotic hardass. Good luck on that when you have four dudes in ski masks and assault rifles pulling a classic home invasion, you fucking nerd.

[guineapig]

Typical lack of intellectual depth. Please explain using logical arguments and examples, not just conclusory statements. Spouting slogans and opinions you read in a student paper might impress a few other brain dead liberals who already agree with you,

Who said I was a liberal? Just because I don't agree with you? You don't know anything about my beliefs and affiliations.


but it makes you look both ignorant and intellectually incompetent when you face those who disagree with you, and you can't come up with real arguments for your point of view.

You mean like how you couldn't show me a 2 faction system on Earth where the one faction does not try to discredit the other faction?

That's right, you avoided my comment and instead touted some nonsense like this:


The problem is that side #1 supports law and order. You know, the shit that keeps a society running. When side #2 opposes that merely because side #1 supports it, then side #2 is no longer a valid political group it is a revolt that needs to be exterminated.

Spouting slogans and opinions you say? You just described yourself to a T.

The only opinion I have given is that the previous quote from you is dumb. And I stand by that statement.

[Bojangles]

Who said I was a liberal? Just because I don't agree with you? You don't know anything about my beliefs and affiliations.

Well, you are opinionated yet ignorant. Argumentative yet can't debate. Calling you a liberal is just a guess, but it is a guess based upon experience.


You mean like how you couldn't show me a 2 faction system on Earth where the one faction does not try to discredit the other faction?

I'm sure if I did enough research I'd find a 2 faction system where the 2 groups worked together for a common goal from different directions, without the need to discredit each other. Perhaps the US during WW2? Some Indian tribe? Whether 1 exists or not isn't relevant to what we are arguing about, so I didn't bother to treat this question seriously.

The argument I am making isn't that 2 factions shouldn't try to discredit each other, on the contrary I think that such an adversarial system is better than one where both factions are in a conspiracy of silence. We can't rely on the news media to bring out the bad shit, but we can rely on their fellow politicians to do so since it is in their best interest. Hell, even politicians within the same party will turn on each other like rabid dogs during the primaries.

That's right, you avoided my comment and instead touted some nonsense like this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojangles
The problem is that side #1 supports law and order. You know, the shit that keeps a society running. When side #2 opposes that merely because side #1 supports it, then side #2 is no longer a valid political group it is a revolt that needs to be exterminated.

Spouting slogans and opinions you say? You just described yourself to a T.



I think this proves that you are a liberal. You blatantly state that you think it is merely an opinion that law and order is what keeps society running, and that opposing law and order is a perfectly viable stance for a mainstream political party. Are you fucking nuts? Oh wait, we already established that you are a liberal. Same thing.

What I was arguing, and what would have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense (i.e. non-liberals), is that although discrediting a faction by taking an opposite stance is an old and effective (even socially useful) tactic, it is not good when the stance is one that is against the good of society.

"X supports raising the retirement age to 70, but Y will keep it the same" is not the same fucking thing as "X supports the people who protect us from criminals, but Y would rather hinder those people and empower criminals."

In the past it has been a joke that all politicians are for education but against crime and poverty. Apparently you liberals are now so desperate, so devoid of common sense, that you are now pro-crime simply due to the police tending to be conservative. What is next, becoming pro poverty simply because the "enemy" is anti poverty?

[nalkin]

^ somebody don't like liberals

[Japan]

You'd be dead in days, mister "LOL I HAVE A PISTOL" idiotic hardass. Good luck on that when you have four dudes in ski masks and assault rifles pulling a classic home invasion, you fucking nerd.

total fucking strawman; yes, if I were the most vulnerable target in the entire world I would be murdered almost instantly. If four dudes in ski masks with assault rifles decide to invade my home neither the police nor my shotgun are going to stop it, so I'd say your strawman is coupled happily to a nonsequitur.

As for a more realistic situation, which involves 1-3 cracked out black men (not a team of bodybuilding Spetznas-turned-gangster action heroes) clumsily crashing through my living room window, I'm far better off putting my modest skills as an operator up against the invaders than waiting 10 minutes at their mercy while Joe Donut and his crew of 70 overweight, overarmed, undertrained buffoons waddle their way over to my house planning to mow down every living thing in it with absurdly excessive uncontrolled force.

[Karrmer]

total fucking strawman; yes, if I were the most vulnerable target in the entire world I would be murdered almost instantly. If four dudes in ski masks with assault rifles decide to invade my home neither the police nor my shotgun are going to stop it, so I'd say your strawman is coupled happily to a nonsequitur.

As for a more realistic situation, which involves 1-3 cracked out black men (not a team of bodybuilding Spetznas-turned-gangster action heroes) clumsily crashing through my living room window, I'm far better off putting my modest skills as an operator up against the invaders than waiting 10 minutes at their mercy while Joe Donut and his crew of 70 overweight, overarmed, undertrained buffoons waddle their way over to my house planning to mow down every living thing in it with absurdly excessive uncontrolled force.

Except Police exist. Law exists. The risk vs reward isn't there for most citizens, whereas it is DEFINITELY there if there is no risk of life in jail / death penalty.

You're a fool. Anarchy isn't some better society, I'm guessing you're retarded Uni kid mooching off wealthy parents.

[Japan]

Because admitting that our justice system is completely fucked is the same as promoting anarchy.

[Karrmer]

Because admitting that our justice system is completely fucked is the same as promoting anarchy.

"Justice system" =/ Police officers

Let's quote your original post once again, since you forget what you stated.



"Police Officers. If you know one, remind him how worthless he is. If you are one, kill yourself."

Next please.

[Abacab niggah]

I'm a fan of dismantling police forces since they are extensions of local government (I.E hired through city planners) and hiring private contractors for security. Since they would no longer be under the pay-roll of the government but instead the pay-roll of private citizens it creates a lot less instances of corruption.

What I envision is dividing the city into sections and take bids on what security firm wants to have a presence in each block, and have competing bids. Because of the naturalistic tendencies of a business they will do their job with utmost efficiency or risk losing the bid and their income.

This also allows for the block to routinely vote as a community whether or not the force is to be ejected or replaced based on performance. For example if the current force is stopping rapes from happening in your city block then one could say they're doing an exemplary job, if the current force is sitting on their ass citing people for going 2 over the speed limit whilst other issues take precedence one could say they need to be replaced.

Since police forces do not have this type of democratic process, they're tightly nursed by a system that only offers up suspensions with no citizen output in the process. So a bad cop can be a bad cop all the way into retirement without any sort of check and balance on his character.

I would like to try a social experiment to try this out, but I don't think it could ever be fully backed.

[Kassel]

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I'm a fan of dismantling police forces since they are extensions of local government (I.E hired through city planners) and hiring private contractors for security. Since they would no longer be under the pay-roll of the government but instead the pay-roll of private citizens it creates a lot less instances of corruption.

What I envision is dividing the city into sections and take bids on what security firm wants to have a presence in each block, and have competing bids. Because of the naturalistic tendencies of a business they will do their job with utmost efficiency or risk losing the bid and their income.

This also allows for the block to routinely vote as a community whether or not the force is to be ejected or replaced based on performance. For example if the current force is stopping rapes from happening in your city block then one could say they're doing an exemplary job, if the current force is sitting on their ass citing people for going 2 over the speed limit whilst other issues take precedence one could say they need to be replaced.

Since police forces do not have this type of democratic process, they're tightly nursed by a system that only offers up suspensions with no citizen output in the process. So a bad cop can be a bad cop all the way into retirement without any sort of check and balance on his character.

I would like to try a social experiment to try this out, but I don't think it could ever be fully backed.


This is an interesting idea, however can you explain how you would get rid of the "free rider" problem? The "free rider" is the true reason why taxes and goverment exist. Why would i pay for a road/service that would help everyone when i can just wait for my neighbour to buck up?

[purist]

In your proposal, why is privatizing the police department a prerequisite for being able to vote on which officers patrol our neighborhood blocks?

[Japan]

"Justice system" =/ Police officers

Let's quote your original post once again, since you forget what you stated.

"Police Officers. If you know one, remind him how worthless he is. If you are one, kill yourself."

Next please.

Our justice system is fucked from the ground up. This includes, but is not limited to, government enforcers. I don't think it is good or desirable that I am better off defending myself with lethal force than going through legal channels; my point is that we are not truly observing rule of law in the United States at this time. The people responsible for this fucked up system need to be removed from power.

Please let me know where the above statement includes promotion of anarchy.

[Theldios]

Our justice system is fucked from the ground up. This includes, but is not limited to, government enforcers. I don't think it is good or desirable that I am better off defending myself with lethal force than going through legal channels; my point is that we are not truly observing rule of law in the United States at this time. The people responsible for this fucked up system need to be removed from power.

Please let me know where the above statement includes promotion of anarchy.

Ok and what would you put in their place? More human beings who have the capacity to do right and wrong just as the ones who are there now?

[Karrmer]

Our justice system is fucked from the ground up. This includes, but is not limited to, government enforcers. I don't think it is good or desirable that I am better off defending myself with lethal force than going through legal channels; my point is that we are not truly observing rule of law in the United States at this time. The people responsible for this fucked up system need to be removed from power.

Please let me know where the above statement includes promotion of anarchy.

No system can ever prevent a situation where you'll likely need to defend yourself, unless you are wealthy enough to afford a permanent guard. We can't have cops sitting inside everyone's house every minute of the day.

You're just now trying to change into having a reasonable argument, instead of being an idiotic twelve year old. That above statement is nothing like the statement that every law enforcement officer should kill themselves. That will create anarchy.

As much as you hate this system, it has been protecting you every day just because it exists. You wouldn't be able to rage here on this forum otherwise. Grow up.

[Japan]

Man's greatest achievement? Perhaps not, but can you afford not to read on when I am about to tell you about police officer? Underestimate police officer at your peril. While much has been written on its influence on contemporary living, its influence on western cinema has not been given proper recognition. Inevitably feelings run deep amongst those most reliant on technology, who are likely to form a major stronghold in the inevitable battle for hearts and minds. At the heart of the subject are a number of key factors. I plan to examine each of these factors in detail and and asses their importance.

Social Factors

Society begins and ends with police officer. When J H Darcy said 'fevour will spread' [1] she saw clearly into the human heart. More a melody to societies dysfunctions than a parody of the self, police officer raises the question 'why?'

Our post-literate society, more than ever before, relies upon police officer. It breaks the mould, shattering man's misunderstanding of man.

Economic Factors

Derived from 'oikonomikos,' which means skilled in household management, the word economics is synonymous with police officer. We shall examine the Greek-Roman model, as is standard in this case.
Housing
Prices


police officer

There are a number of reasons which may be attributed to this unquestionable correlation. Clearly housing prices has always depended upon police officer to a certain extent, but now more that ever. In the light of this free trade must be examined.

Political Factors

Politics was once a game featuring competitors from elite classes. Placing theory on the scales of justice and weighing it against practice can produce similar results to contrasting police officer and ones own image of themselves.

In the words of a legend in their own life time, Elijah Bootlegger 'consciousness complicates a myriad of progressions.' [2] This quotation leads me to suspect that he was not unaccustomed to police officer. It speaks volumes. It is a well known 'secret' that what prompted many politicians to first strive for power was police officer.

While police officer may be a giant amongst men, is it a dwarf amongst policy? I hope not.
Conclusion

How much responsibility lies with police officer? We can say that police officer may not be the best thing since sliced bread, but it's still important. It brings peace, 'literally' plants seeds for harvest, and statistically it's great.

I will leave you with the words of Hollywood's Elvis Zeta-Jones 'At first I was afraid I was petrified. Thinking I could never live without police officer by my side.' [3]




Ok, i posted a wall of text that doesn't make any argument whatsoever. am I a grownup like you now?

[Kassel]

Ok, i posted a wall of text that doesn't make any argument whatsoever. am I a grownup like you now?

At least you are consistent with your idiocy. I will give you that.

[Karrmer]

Man, this was way too easy. I miss the Sullon Zek boards sometimes, at least it was a mild challenge.

[Bojangles]

I'm a fan of dismantling police forces since they are extensions of local government (I.E hired through city planners) and hiring private contractors for security. Since they would no longer be under the pay-roll of the government but instead the pay-roll of private citizens it creates a lot less instances of corruption.

I'll assume this is a troll, since even though liberals are retarded enough to believe something this stupid, this idea would be against their ideology. If this is not a troll, please explain how putting all sanctioned armed power in the hands of the rich people in a neighborhood is a good idea. If you think cops in narcotics are on the take now, just wait till their official salary is paid for by the richest drug dealers in the area.


You faggoty ivory tower liberals have no clue what you are talking about when you talk about the justice system. You see a few bleeding heart movies, and allow your weak minds to be indoctrinated by others who have no clue what they are talking about, and you feel justified in drawing conclusions about something without providing any statistics or real arguments, just conclusory statements.

The only problem with our justice system is we let criminals go. If we immediately executed all criminals after their 3rd felony, w/o any appeals, crime would quickly dry up. Life imprisonment would also help things a lot, but of course would be much more expensive than the extermination of the offenders.

About 98% of Americans will never spend a single day in jail. The other 2% are the problem, and they cannot be deterred or reformed. They can only be exterminated or locked away.

Some stats from http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17:

"Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 states in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime."

"These offenders had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release."


Look at that last paragraph again: 272,111 had been arrested 4.1 million times before that year, with another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release. That is over 17 arrests per person... And that is only what they got caught doing, imagine how many other felonies were committed before they were stupid enough to get caught again.

Anything else you want to blame for the system's "problems" pale in comparison with this. And the fault does not lie with the justice system, it lies with the legislative and judicial branches that refuse to do what needs to be done due to faggotry and pussification.

[purist]

RRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[mimixownzall]

A big problem, for some reason, is the left forget that people make a decision to break the law.

[Bodeanicus]

A big problem, for some reason, is the left forget that people make a decision to break the law.

A bigger problem is that authoritarian pussy ass kissers believe that anyone in a position of authority is to be automatically trusted, and said persons are always right, and always act responsibly. I mean, that person wouldn't be in that position if Baby Jeebus hadn't miracled their asses into it, now would they?

[Bodeanicus]

I'll assume this is a troll, since even though liberals are retarded enough to believe something this stupid, this idea would be against their ideology. If this is not a troll, please explain how putting all sanctioned armed power in the hands of the rich people in a neighborhood is a good idea. If you think cops in narcotics are on the take now, just wait till their official salary is paid for by the richest drug dealers in the area.


You faggoty ivory tower liberals have no clue what you are talking about when you talk about the justice system. You see a few bleeding heart movies, and allow your weak minds to be indoctrinated by others who have no clue what they are talking about, and you feel justified in drawing conclusions about something without providing any statistics or real arguments, just conclusory statements.

The only problem with our justice system is we let criminals go. If we immediately executed all criminals after their 3rd felony, w/o any appeals, crime would quickly dry up. Life imprisonment would also help things a lot, but of course would be much more expensive than the extermination of the offenders.

About 98% of Americans will never spend a single day in jail. The other 2% are the problem, and they cannot be deterred or reformed. They can only be exterminated or locked away.

Some stats from http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17:

"Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 states in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime."

"These offenders had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release."


Look at that last paragraph again: 272,111 had been arrested 4.1 million times before that year, with another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release. That is over 17 arrests per person... And that is only what they got caught doing, imagine how many other felonies were committed before they were stupid enough to get caught again.

Anything else you want to blame for the system's "problems" pale in comparison with this. And the fault does not lie with the justice system, it lies with the legislative and judicial branches that refuse to do what needs to be done due to faggotry and pussification.

So frightened. The big bad black men are coming to fuck your mom. Run now!

[Dukat]

So frightened. The big bad black men are coming to fuck your mom. Run now!


Its too bad some big black men wont come and fuck you, bro. I'm not trying to be hostile by saying this either bro, youd probably have the best time of your life

[guineapig]

I think this proves that you are a liberal. You blatantly state that you think it is merely an opinion that law and order is what keeps society running, and that opposing law and order is a perfectly viable stance for a mainstream political party.

Reading comprehension fail. I believe your original statement was an opinion.
You can try to twist my words any way you want but you basically likened liberals to anarchists which is fucking retarded.

Won't even bother quoting the rest of your BS, there's just no point.

Regardless of what my political affiliation is, and you are still wrong, you are a completely polarized headcase who is just making himself look a fool. Keep up the good fight.

[guineapig]

To clarify, you stated that:

because side #1 (your side? the "good guys"?, white people?)

support "law and order"

that side #2 (liberals? what do you call them these days... colored folk?) must automatically oppose it.

Is that really the best you could come up with when I brought up factions discrediting each other? This is something that a 5th grader would have come up with as an answer to an essay question.

This is why you aren't even worth dealing with. It is such an ignorant statement that I don't even know where to begin.

Is that all that "side #1" stands for?
Is a conservative that breaks the law automatically a liberal? Because that seems to be what you are trying to define.
Do you live in a cave by chance?

[Bodeanicus]

Its too bad some big black men wont come and fuck you, bro. I'm not trying to be hostile by saying this either bro, youd probably have the best time of your life

No thanks, bro. I'd rather bro bro bro bro bro bro. Bro.

[mimixownzall]

A bigger problem is that authoritarian pussy ass kissers believe that anyone in a position of authority is to be automatically trusted, and said persons are always right, and always act responsibly. I mean, that person wouldn't be in that position if Baby Jeebus hadn't miracled their asses into it, now would they?

All I read was, "Blah blah blah blah we didn't land on the moon, it was all a conspiracy to fool the Russians."

[Japan]

whoa bro that's a bold statement to make bush knocked down the towers.

[Kassel]

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whoa bro that's a bold statement to make bush knocked down the towers.

So is this one sentence or two ? What exactly are you trying to articulate here? I understand that English is obviously not your first language but can you please show is some pity?

[Japan]

I'm sorry I can't communicate in english as well as an american pigdog.

Woof woof YOU MY DOGG BRO DAMN MAN, holler at you boy bush knocked down the towers get me now?

[Kassel]

I am not American, and no i do not get you.

[purist]

In spite of his kooky conspiracy theories immortal technique is awesome and revolutionary vol. 2 is a great album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyru_Zt23Mk

[Estolcles]

I like cops.

They keep the ghetto down the street under better control than it would be if they weren't there.

[Japan]

immortal technique's pseudointellectualism and big-word-including nonsense lyrics remind me too much of R&F

[purist]

immortal technique's pseudointellectualism and big-word-including nonsense lyrics remind me too much of R&F

a charge of pseudointellectualism from the guy that says neutral milk hotel is his favorite band

WHEN YEW WERE YUNG YEW WERE DA KING OF CARROT FLOWEERSS

fucking deep

[purist]

I LOVE YEW JESUSSSSSS CHRISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTT JESUS CHRIST I LOVE YOU YES I DO

way 2 intellectual 4 me

[Japan]

what when the fuck did i say that i hate nmh

[purist]

Hey, what were you thinking
When they were starting the show
Yeah, I was there
But I didn't care at all
I was trying to find you
When you got lost in the crowd
Because I'm drunk all the time
I like your helium voice

DEEP

[Japan]

come at me bro

[purist]

least my top 10 isn't full of 10th grade suburban white girl bands

[Bojangles]

Reading comprehension fail. I believe your original statement was an opinion.
You can try to twist my words any way you want but you basically likened liberals to anarchists which is fucking retarded.

Won't even bother quoting the rest of your BS, there's just no point.

Regardless of what my political affiliation is, and you are still wrong, you are a completely polarized headcase who is just making himself look a fool. Keep up the good fight.

Your post #78 quotes me as saying:
"The problem is that side #1 supports law and order. You know, the shit that keeps a society running. When side #2 opposes that merely because side #1 supports it, then side #2 is no longer a valid political group it is a revolt that needs to be exterminated."
and then you respond to that quote with the following 2 sentences:
"Spouting slogans and opinions you say? You just described yourself to a T."

By saying "you JUST described" you make it plain that you mean the immediately previous quote. Which means you think my previous quote is 100% "slogans and opinions". One of the "slogans and opinions" I state is that law and order keeps a society running. Therefore you think it is merely an opinion that law and order keeps a society running.

If you intended those 2 sentences to refer to a different quote of mine, you should have placed it near that quote. If you intended those 2 sentences to refer to every quote of mine you should have chosen your words more carefully. Even then, you are still stating that it is merely my opinion that law and order keeps a society running since the phrase "to a T" means that the fit is perfect; everything I say is either a slogan or an opinion.

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No where have I said that liberals are anarchists. This thread is about how some liberals hate the police and do not trust them. If this sounds like anarchism, that is not my fault. You are the one who made the connection between those who believe that and anarchists.

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A bigger problem is that authoritarian pussy ass kissers believe that anyone in a position of authority is to be automatically trusted, and said persons are always right, and always act responsibly. I mean, that person wouldn't be in that position if Baby Jeebus hadn't miracled their asses into it, now would they?

Nowhere have I or anyone else said authorities should automatically be trusted. Show me where this has been said. Of course there is a need for oversight. Absolutely. But it is ridiculous to claim (as many in this thread have) that cops as a group are a problem, and strongly imply they have no redeeming features.


To clarify, you stated that:

because side #1 (your side? the "good guys"?, white people?)

support "law and order"

that side #2 (liberals? what do you call them these days... colored folk?) must automatically oppose it.

Is that really the best you could come up with when I brought up factions discrediting each other? This is something that a 5th grader would have come up with as an answer to an essay question.

This is why you aren't even worth dealing with. It is such an ignorant statement that I don't even know where to begin.

Is that all that "side #1" stands for?
Is a conservative that breaks the law automatically a liberal? Because that seems to be what you are trying to define.
Do you live in a cave by chance?

I am not trying to prove liberals are against law and order by saying conservatives are for it. I am assuming it is true that liberals are against law and order, and then looking for the reason behind that fact. Groups defining themselves in opposition to other groups is a long-accepted fact of life. I can assume it is true that liberals oppose law and order because that fact underpins this entire thread.
To quote the OP:
"...dooming them to a life on society's underbelly for exercising control over their bodies." An obvious reference to abortion, a bedrock liberal issue.

"You are the enforcer the Christian majority mafia needs to impose its moral "authority..." Christians forcing their moral view on others is another common liberal meme.

Stickygreenbud:
"Also maybe a sensitivity course for each and every cop." You can't get much more liberal than recommending a faggoty sensitivity course.

"Ya i may get shit for this but hey i don't want some ex-military who's having post traumatic stress disorder or issues with his manhood protecting me or even arresting me." Worried about soldiers coming home and going on a killing spree sounds a lot like memos Obama's appointees in the justice department have sent out. Dick size innuendo is another go-to argument typical of liberals.

Murphy:
"You'll only hear the word "liberals" out of the mouth of a white man." Nonsensical, but hates on white males. No attempt to explain wtf he means when called on it. Obviously liberal.

Bodeanicus:
"So frightened. The big bad black men are coming to fuck your mom. Run now!" Playing the race card when no one on the other side has even brought up race = liberal.


I do not address any other aspects of the liberal/ conservative spectrum because they are not an issue in this debate.



I'll give you guys some hints for the future. Understand what my argument is. Then understand what your argument is. Then choose facts which tend to refute my argument, and facts which bolster your argument. Do not use use facts that are not relevant to my argument, do not use facts that are not relevant to your argument. Weave those facts together in a narrative that leads the reader to think your argument makes more sense than mine. I know this sounds like something you'd have to say to a kindergardner, but you guys need it. Your debate skills are horrible.

[purist]

^ Hey, knuckle-dragging retard, nobody gives a shit about your opinion.

[guineapig]

I love how his world is filled with these 2 types of individuals and nothing else.
You really shouldn't try to lump everyone into these 2 categories of yours because that simply isn't the way the world works.

The Bahujan Samaj Party, Partizan, Komala, Frente Popular Revolucionario, The Hungarian Civic Party, The Kurdistan Islamic Union, Il Foglio, Akbayan, PNTCD, The Singapore Reform Party, Centerpartiet, National Socialists, Büyük Birlik Partisi....

That list probably represents 0.01% of the political parties active in the world today. Something tells me that most people's beliefe systems would not neatly fall into the categories of liberal and conservative that you keep using.

But I will give you an easier example that you can be familiar with:

Your typical catholic is anti-abortion but also against the death penalty. So where would you lump this person in your black and white world?

[guineapig]

And to make things worse this same fictional catholic... (we shall name him Bob), is also pro social welfae but scoffs at gay rights.

Oh the horror!
What of the dichotomy?
What about Bob?

[Henini]

What about Bob?

That was a good movie, and bob is very appropriate name for a few of the folks here.

[guineapig]

I'm glad you caught that! :D

[pickled_heretic]

The evidence of police corruption, especially in police districts located at large population centers, indicates that police corruption is systemic and may be the rule rather than the exception. The LAPD and NYPD taken together have a laundry list of proven cases of systemic corruption that prove this.

Take, for instance, the LAPD Rampart scandal, where not only were 70 officers implicated for corruption, but evidence was discovered that showed the chief of police at LAPD was obstructing justice and tampering with evidence. The head of the corruption task force investigating the Rampart scandal resigned and sued the department with just that claim.

As far as waiting for cops to come save me? What a joke. Cops cannot stop crime beyond deterrence. Consider response times of 15+ minutes even in populated areas. That's more than enough time for you to be raped, robbed, murdered, etc. The only person that can reliably stop a crime from being committed on your person is you. The cops will only show up in time to clean up the scene and maintain social order, not to save your life or property.

[Henini]

I 100% agree with pickled_heretic, it's pretty sad.

and in most cases, they can't even do anything to prevent what's obviously coming. because well the theft, rape, murder hasn't happened yet and there is nothing they can do about it by law.

Like, even if you report someone is in your home and is trying to rape you... when they get there, the best they can do is knock on the door and hope you answer (while you are being rapped).

Also, LEOs are people too and they rather show up after the gun fight then before. cleaning up a few dead bodies and filling up paper work is much more interesting then getting shot at. Most of the time, they do it on purpose and take their sweet time to get on a crime scene, or where an incident was reported as "happening". they want to make sure it's all done before they show up, that way they are safe and can go home to their wife and children when they are done their shift.

note: I live in Quebec Canada, cops here don't have the right to do fuck all. it's paradise for criminals. But then again crime isn't as bad as in other places, cuz people are pussies around here. I know law is different in the states and I do hope cops have more rights then here.

[yaeger]

I don't understand what this thread is about. Society has always had some method of law enforcement. The titles and jobs change, but their role is determined by the society which employs them.

You're always going to have cops (law enforcers) and your civil liberties are always open to interpretation (law).

Change the laws to change the cops.

Getting rid of the cops would throw society into anarchy. It's the threat of punishment that prevents most crime.

[pickled_heretic]

you are your own policeman, wherever you go. there is never anarchy.

[Japan]

I don't understand what this thread is about. Society has always had some method of law enforcement. The titles and jobs change, but their role is determined by the society which employs them.

You're always going to have cops (law enforcers) and your civil liberties are always open to interpretation (law).

Change the laws to change the cops.

Getting rid of the cops would throw society into anarchy. It's the threat of punishment that prevents most crime.

Wow this is so deep! Who would have thought that people are a product of their environment?

Of course the laws have to change; they allowed the widespread corruption and inefficiency we currently see throughout our justice system to take hold. That our system is weak even on paper doesn't change that the pigs we've got now are corrupted. Purge them.

[Bojangles]

^ Hey, knuckle-dragging retard, nobody gives a shit about your opinion.

Obviously you do or you wouldn't have responded to my opinion. It is OK, I realize you lack the intellectual chops to hang with the big dogs but your ego won't let you admit it to anyone. Just fade quietly away and no one will think the worse of you.


I love how his world is filled with these 2 types of individuals and nothing else.
You really shouldn't try to lump everyone into these 2 categories of yours because that simply isn't the way the world works.

Yet another typically liberal post. You decry lumping people into simplified groups, in a post one of your compatriots started to lump all police into 1 simplified group. And you probably don't even see the hypocrisy.

I talk about 2 ends of a political spectrum and nothing else because that is the topic. Why would I discuss the libertarian opinion on heroin, or the Jewish view of polygamy, in a thread about the liberal stance of those who hate the police? This thread, and the point I'm trying to make, have nothing to do with those things. Again, please read my debate hints. A synopsis: Understand what the topic is, and what you want to say about that topic; pick facts that relate to that. The topic on this thread is the claim that police are violently out of control. Your facts do not relate to that.


Your typical catholic is anti-abortion but also against the death penalty. So where would you lump this person in your black and white world?

Since this thread is about where on the political spectrum they fall in regards to law enforcement, neither of those facts are relevant. Of course peoples' beliefs are far more complex than black/ white. To quote G.E.P. Box, "all models are wrong, but some are useful." Trying to make a statement about 300+ million people on an individual basis is far beyond our brains' ability to comprehend, so we use simplified models such as the political spectrum to make it comprehensible. Of course there are inaccuracies as with all models, the question is whether it is useful. The way in which many of you can have your reactions, beliefs and arguments predicted by this model show that it is indeed useful. The OPs simplified model that assumes all cops are bad is not a useful model as it is too far from the truth.


The evidence of police corruption, especially in police districts located at large population centers, indicates that police corruption is systemic and may be the rule rather than the exception. The LAPD and NYPD taken together have a laundry list of proven cases of systemic corruption that prove this.

Take, for instance, the LAPD Rampart scandal, where not only were 70 officers implicated for corruption, but evidence was discovered that showed the chief of police at LAPD was obstructing justice and tampering with evidence. The head of the corruption task force investigating the Rampart scandal resigned and sued the department with just that claim.

As far as waiting for cops to come save me? What a joke. Cops cannot stop crime beyond deterrence. Consider response times of 15+ minutes even in populated areas. That's more than enough time for you to be raped, robbed, murdered, etc. The only person that can reliably stop a crime from being committed on your person is you. The cops will only show up in time to clean up the scene and maintain social order, not to save your life or property.

This is actually a fairly decent post. My main problem with it is that you claim a few acts of corruption indicate systemic problems. I would like to see some facts and figures to prove this. 70 officers out of over 10,000 doesn't prove anything.

On your 3rd paragraph: Preaching to the choir.

Of course the laws have to change; they allowed the widespread corruption and inefficiency we currently see throughout our justice system to take hold. That our system is weak even on paper doesn't change that the pigs we've got now are corrupted. Purge them.

Only a few % of Americans will ever spend a night in jail. Your changes to the law will not affect them much if at all. It will have very little effect on the criminal class that is the problem. If you truly want to make our system efficient you need to deal with the problem I outlined above, that only a few % of Americans account for a vast majority of our court cases and prison incarceration. Even if every cop was squeaky clean and motivated this problem would still exist. If anything it would increase the arrest rate of over 17 per criminal, costing our catch-and-release system even more money. Of course the extra time in jail would be time they would not be spending committing crimes.

If you got yelled at once by a cop and you went home to cry in the bathroom and tried to make yourself believe that you were 'this close' to saying something brave, get over it.

[unclechad2]

if you or your family is a cop go fuck each other and die your what is ruining america you piece of authoratarian shit

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[Japan]

If you got yelled at once by a cop and you went home to cry in the bathroom and tried to make yourself believe that you were 'this close' to saying something brave, get over it.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Being "this close" to saying something 'brave' is being "this close" to becoming incarcerated for 'assaulting a police officer', tased, or a corpse. That's an idiot's bravado.

No, I have never thought I was a bad enough dude to talk shit to a pig, because I know he will smash me into pieces without hesitation and I'll have no recourse whatsoever.

You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride, or the ass-kicking when the cameras aren't rolling, or the starving in the county jail from Friday til Monday, or the potentially lethal taser that gets employed with impunity on grandmas who pose no threat to anyone. No, I will not just get over the fact that some fat fucking high school graduate who sold his soul to the gestapo can and will do all of these things to me on a whim completely legally, depending on how his day is going.

All they've got to be able to do is charge you with something. You don't have to be convicted.

[braveheart]

I've never been helped or known anybody that was helped by a cop. Every family member and friend I know have had only negative interactions with cops. I've never seen a cop do something good ever. I only hear these stories where cops do good things from hearsay... stories... similar to fairy tales i guess...

these tax collecting fat pigs treat citizens like animals, capitalism is failing, I'm with you on this one Japan.

[purist]

the intellectual chops to hang with the big dogs

I lol'd

[jbs89]

Good band.

30 bux these guys call cops and are wack pussies

[Awwalike]

Japan is just mad he got a DUI or MIP or something, follow the easy fucking rules and don't rage at law lol.
& you have probably called the cops a lot of times so they could defend you haha.

[purist]

Police officers, more likely to kill you than a terrorist (http://newsblaze.com/story/20090221100148tsop.nb/topstory.html)

[ziggyholiday]

I've never been helped or known anybody that was helped by a cop. Every family member and friend I know have had only negative interactions with cops. I've never seen a cop do something good ever. I only hear these stories where cops do good things from hearsay... stories... similar to fairy tales i guess...

What, do you live the ghetto?

[Dest]

I live in a wanna be ghetto. There is a main road that separates single family nice homes, from townhouses and rental townhouses. I run up to 7-11 last night to grab some advil since I ran out. On my way back, there are about a dozen teenagers walking in the middle of the road. None of them are wearing costumes, unless you count a blue bandanna as a costume now.

They are stretched across the road so cars cannot get by. After about 3-4 minutes they finally move far enough to the side of the road for people to drive by and begin throwing shit at the cars. About 100ft up the road is a VFW post where the cops like to hang out, and I guess sleep. I can see the cop from where I am at, so I know he can see what is going on. Does he do anything? Nope...just fucking sits there.

20 minutes later, guess what happens? 3 kids trick or treating are shot...witnesses say it was a gang of teens wearing guess what? blue bandannas.

If that lazy piece of shit would have done something there is a decent possibility those innocent kids wouldn't have been shot.

It's easy to see why Baltimore is #2 in robbery and murder in the US. Police don't give a fuck around here.

Fuck tha Police.