Apologies, Red.

[Pseudechis]

Seriously though......do you really care that strongly?

[Sapphiay]

I loved your rap about Sektor by the way Bestow :) I could hear this the whole day. So sad it its private now.

[hammbone]

Whole lot of crazy in this thread!!! Shit is starting to make me think twice about playing.

[HippoNipple]

Seriously though......do you really care that strongly?

Better topic to forumquest about than most. Doesn't take much to produce 10+ threads when you are on forums for a game this old. Dot hey actually care? No, or they have already lost on these forums.

[Pikrib]

Seriously though......do you really care that strongly?

No, not at all. I'm just trolling Salt.

I do have some Jewish people in my guild though, I feelers for them, and I personally wouldn't want to defend/accept BS like this happening on the server I play on.

[Glenzig]

Gong had a freakout before anyone got in trouble over this. If it were to happen again that guy would probably have gotten the boot. What happened happened, but people need to stop acting like there was some atrocious crime committed.

I never said anything about a crime. But it is something that was well deserving of any punishment that the staff decided to dole out. Its hard to believe that there are people saying that no one needs to be offended by what happened. That is actually worse than what Bestow did.

[HippoNipple]

No, not at all. I'm just trolling Salt.

I do have some Jewish people in my guild though, I feelers for them, and I personally wouldn't want to defend/accept BS like this happening on the server I play on.

You just said you don't care and that you really care in the same post.

[FaithlessKR]

I never said anything about a crime. But it is something that was well deserving of any punishment that the staff decided to dole out. Its hard to believe that there are people saying that no one needs to be offended by what happened. That is actually worse than what Bestow did.

This act was not performed in an aggressive or meaningful way in any form, he saw the opportunity to be creative (in a non tasteful way mind you) and took it. If the jewish people in our guild thought it was funny when he did it, then I don't see any reason why anyone else should find it offensive.

That's like if an african-american were to get a job picking cotton of his own free will, and a white person walked by and got extremely offended by the situation.

[FaithlessKR]

He just got so bored that he had to entertain himself by making swastikas. Maybe, I don't know....log off of EQ?

Log off when we're prepping a raid in hate that we were expecting (and didn't get) pvp at? Sorry he's not in one of the other guilds on the server that can't get mobs and don't have raids most days of the week.

[daasgoot]

can't believe people trying to defend these actions.

A picture of a corpses designed in the shape of a swastica with a bunch of characters that have <holocaust> above their head standing around it.

i mean.. just read that ^. whether it's a joke or not.. terrible for this server to be doing/posting shit like that.

not saying this because im overly sensitive.. im sayin it cuz its the troof.

[FaithlessKR]

I can't expect some of the fire giants on this server to have any kind of perspective or sense of humor. Anyone who is actually taking crap like that serious have to have some sort of extreme social disorder, and they need to step back into reality.

If you can't separate actual racism from people making tasteless jokes, then you probably should steer clear of the internet. It just isn't for you.

[daasgoot]

bad for server image which is bad for the server

period

[FaithlessKR]

This crap exists on every game, I doubt the fact that this game does or doesn't have it will affect whether or not people come here. You're reaching now

[Glenzig]

Log off when we're prepping a raid in hate that we were expecting (and didn't get) pvp at? Sorry he's not in one of the other guilds on the server that can't get mobs and don't have raids most days of the week.

You said he was bored to the point of feeling the absolute need to make a swastika for his own entertainment. Regardless of what may have been happening, if he was this bored with the game maybe he should have just logged off instead.

[daasgoot]

This crap exists on every game, I doubt the fact that this game does or doesn't have it will affect whether or not people come here. You're reaching now

lol you sound like my 2 yr old that thinks she can get away with doing stupid shit cuz someone else did it.

[FaithlessKR]

lol you sound like my 2 yr old that thinks she can get away with doing stupid shit cuz someone else did it.

You're using the idea that the server needs to promote an image as a reason to not do this. The reason to promote an image is to either keep people here or bring people in. Stuff like this doesn't affect this server's population in any way shape or form, find a new argument.

You said he was bored to the point of feeling the absolute need to make a swastika for his own entertainment. Regardless of what may have been happening, if he was this bored with the game maybe he should have just logged off instead.

There was no "absolute" need, and he was bored because we were told to be on at a certain time to get ready for pvp and a raid. We had people porting around trying to locate azrael while everyone else sat at bind and we were corpsing hate stones. The best part of your post is you actually help my argument by saying this:

make a swastika for his own entertainment

Exactly this, it was for his own entertainment. Posting this on the forums was never a part of the plan, the only reason people are feigning actual rage towards this incident is because it was Holocaust who did it.

Just like when smallmee and beastagor were killing noobs in crushbone with the new collision mechanic. If it were some nobody doing it rather than those two, people would have told the guy posting the video "qq" or "welcome to red".

[Taunto]

I loved your rap about Sektor by the way Bestow :) I could hear this the whole day. So sad it its private now.

Thanks Sapphia, I think your posts are funny sometimes too.

[Glenzig]

You're using the idea that the server needs to promote an image as a reason to not do this. The reason to promote an image is to either keep people here or bring people in. Stuff like this doesn't affect this server's population in any way shape or form, find a new argument.



There was no "absolute" need, and he was bored because we were told to be on at a certain time to get ready for pvp and a raid. We had people porting around trying to locate azrael while everyone else sat at bind and we were corpsing hate stones. The best part of your post is you actually help my argument by saying this:



Exactly this, it was for his own entertainment. Posting this on the forums was never a part of the plan, the only reason people are feigning actual rage towards this incident is because it was Holocaust who did it.

Just like when smallmee and beastagor were killing noobs in crushbone with the new collision mechanic. If it were some nobody doing it rather than those two, people would have told the guy posting the video "qq" or "welcome to red".

Are you getting extra pixels for your sycophancy? Because you sound completely ridiculous.

[FaithlessKR]

Are you getting extra pixels for your sycophancy? Because you sound completely ridiculous.

I'm sorry that your brain hasn't evolved in the last 10 years and can't comprehend the direction in which mankind has started to shift. The general consensus for a lot of people these days when it comes to things that happened in the past: slavery, the holocaust, crucifying christ etc...is that it didn't happen to you, stop acting like you were personally attacked, and stop living in the past.

Sorry I'm too forward thinking of a person for you, maybe someday you'll catch up with the majority of the world.

[daasgoot]

I'm sorry that your brain hasn't evolved in the last 10 years and can't comprehend the direction in which mankind has started to shift. The general consensus for a lot of people these days when it comes to things that happened in the past: slavery, the holocaust, crucifying christ etc...is that it didn't happen to you, stop acting like you were personally attacked, and stop living in the past.

Sorry I'm too forward thinking of a person for you, maybe someday you'll catch up with the majority of the world.

sure, if someone wants to act like i owe them something or i should feel guilty about slavery then they can fuck off.

if you want to joke about ww2, the holocaust, and the loss of millions of lives.. you can fuck off.

grow up nerd.

moran.

[Lev_Mer]

there are many reasons to hate bestow... and this is one of them.

but remember, if he is in the game he is not bothering the real world.

we love our big bear

[HalflingWarrior]

This crap exists on every game, I doubt the fact that this game does or doesn't have it will affect whether or not people come here. You're reaching now

I'd love to see you successfully create a guild named Holocaust is ANY modern MMO let alone "every" one of them.

Only reason Holocaust name survived as long as it did is cuz:

1) Sirkens PERSONAL, BIASED relationship with certain members
2) despite having payers named Hitler and Mengele the guild was able to claim plausible deniability due to said biased GM favoritism

Posting pics of the Holocaust guild and swastika ended that plausibility .... even your pocket GMS couldn't deny this one sorry

[Glenzig]

I'm sorry that your brain hasn't evolved in the last 10 years and can't comprehend the direction in which mankind has started to shift. The general consensus for a lot of people these days when it comes to things that happened in the past: slavery, the holocaust, crucifying christ etc...is that it didn't happen to you, stop acting like you were personally attacked, and stop living in the past.

Sorry I'm too forward thinking of a person for you, maybe someday you'll catch up with the majority of the world.

If you're an indicator of the world's progress I'll be more than happy to be left behind.

[Pseudechis]

So many people feigning offense. Fucking nerds

[FaithlessKR]

So many people feigning offense. Fucking nerds

[Clark]

I'd love to see you successfully create a guild named Holocaust is ANY modern MMO let alone "every" one of them.

Only reason Holocaust name survived as long as it did is cuz:

1) Sirkens PERSONAL, BIASED relationship with certain members
2) despite having payers named Hitler and Mengele the guild was able to claim plausible deniability due to said biased GM favoritism

Posting pics of the Holocaust guild and swastika ended that plausibility .... even your pocket GMS couldn't deny this one sorry

[iiNGloriouS]

So many people feigning offense. Fucking nerds

[Rekrul]

I'm sorry that your brain hasn't evolved in the last 10 years and can't comprehend the direction in which mankind has started to shift. The general consensus for a lot of people these days when it comes to things that happened in the past: slavery, the holocaust, crucifying christ etc...is that it didn't happen to you, stop acting like you were personally attacked, and stop living in the past.

Sorry I'm too forward thinking of a person for you, maybe someday you'll catch up with the majority of the world.

Mankind hasn't started to shift towards a different way of thinking, it's always been this way. The more generations between an event and present day, the more people are desensitized to it. After long enough all the death and suffering is meaningless bc we're so far removed from it, and it hasn't directly touched our lives or the lives of anyone we know.

You're the opposite of a forward thinker, you think exactly the same way any narrow-minded, uneducated, self-absorbed toolbag would.

Please, tell us more about the consensus of mankind.

[Colgate]

did not read

[Rekrul]

I read all 7500+ of your posts in order

[Colgate]

were you that same guy on the teamliquid forums?

god those were awful

[Rekrul]

Yeah

TL is still around, it was clique-y, just like here

[Colgate]

everyone seemed way too up their own ass over there

but in a serious way

[Rekrul]

Yeah, trolling here is way more laid back because it's ridiculous most of the time. People from TL would get in fights at tournaments back then bc you had a bunch of feisty nerds that thought they could legitimately go pro and make a living. I was guilty.

That's how it went tho when you have a game where you only 1v1 and everyone acted elitist as fuck. haha...classic TL was a good time

[Buhbuh]

feisty nerds are hot

tight knit christian family feisty nerd girls, of course

princesses too

princes are also desirable if you're in empire, because we're a family D S'in guild.

and since we lost all our princesses, it's just princes and hardcore family cornballers with christian values, exemplified best by gyno and gongshow, our steadfast pillars of light and love

[Colgate]

i think i made like three posts on teamliquid forums before i got banned for something really retarded, like telling someone that they were dumb for having some opinion or something

[Troubled]

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/WTF_ffb6a7_926750.gif

[Rekrul]

tl forums were notorious for shitting on people not following specific formats. You probably didn't explain clear enough why you thought someone was dumb.

[FaithlessKR]

Mankind hasn't started to shift towards a different way of thinking, it's always been this way. The more generations between an event and present day, the more people are desensitized to it. After long enough all the death and suffering is meaningless bc we're so far removed from it, and it hasn't directly touched our lives or the lives of anyone we know.

You're the opposite of a forward thinker, you think exactly the same way any narrow-minded, uneducated, self-absorbed toolbag would.

Please, tell us more about the consensus of mankind.

In psychology, desensitization is defined as the diminished emotional responsiveness to a negative or aversive stimulus after repeated exposure to it. It also occurs when an emotional response is repeatedly evoked in situations in which the action tendency that is associated with the emotion proves irrelevant or unnecessary.

If you're going to try and say that desensitization is the culprit behind this, and describing how people like myself have separated ourselves from the crimes of past generations, then learn what desensitization is. Have you been repeatedly exposed to people being slaughtered due to their religious beliefs? Do you live in some southern state that still treats african-americans like indentured servants? Are you having some image of a master human race being shoved down your throat? I seriously doubt you in your lifetime have seen so much of these events that you've become desensitized to it.

We are still sensitive to what they did, but we are also not in any way responsible for what they did. Similarly we are not responsible for past generations who participated in the slave trade. Psychological separation from things that hold us back from moving on as humans is essential to civilization to move forward. Things like holding onto events like the Holocaust, the slave trade, crucifying christ, etc...only hold back human civilization. If you can look at it and understand what happened, learn why it was wrong and move on while keeping with that understanding...then you've made progress.

[Rekrul]

If you're going to try and say that desensitization is the culprit behind this, and describing how people like myself have separated ourselves from the crimes of past generations, then learn what desensitization is. Have you been repeatedly exposed to people being slaughtered due to their religious beliefs? Do you live in some southern state that still treats african-americans like indentured servants? Are you having some image of a master human race being shoved down your throat? I seriously doubt you in your lifetime have seen so much of these events that you've become desensitized to it.

We are still sensitive to what they did, but we are also not in any way responsible for what they did. Similarly we are not responsible for past generations who participated in the slave trade. Psychological separation from things that hold us back from moving on as humans is essential to civilization to move forward. Things like holding onto events like the Holocaust, the slave trade, crucifying christ, etc...only hold back human civilization. If you can look at it and understand what happened, learn why it was wrong and move on while keeping with that understanding...then you've made progress.

You're pretty dumb.

You thought you were a "forward thinker", I told you why you absolutely weren't, and why what you perceived as forward thinking has been around forever and been the norm forever. I'm not sure what you're trying to do now by saying things like "culprit" and "responsibility", bc I never mentioned anything like that.

If this is about your dumb guild tag, I don't care, I personally don't care about any words. However, the holocaust was only 70 years ago, some people's grandparents are survivors, some people look back on their family history and see most of it wiped clean. I don't give a shit, you don't give a shit, but to say they don't deserve to care because they didn't directly experience it is retarded.

Like I said before tho, this is how it goes, it's been nearly 4 generations since the holocaust and that's why we're at this point. Within our lifetimes it won't even be a question whether or not the tag holocaust will be allowed. No one will give a shit.

[FaithlessKR]

You're pretty dumb.

You thought you were a "forward thinker", I told you why you absolutely weren't, and why what you perceived as forward thinking has been around forever and been the norm forever. I'm not sure what you're trying to do now by saying things like "culprit" and "responsibility", bc I never mentioned anything like that.

If this is about your dumb guild tag, I don't care, I personally don't care about any words. However, the holocaust was only 70 years ago, some people's grandparents are survivors, some people look back on their family history and see most of it wiped clean. I don't give a shit, you don't give a shit, but to say they don't deserve to care because they didn't directly experience it is retarded.

Like I said before tho, this is how it goes, it's been nearly 4 generations since the holocaust and that's why we're at this point. Within our lifetimes it won't even be a question whether or not the tag holocaust will be allowed. No one will give a shit.

So I'm dumb, because I follow the psychological view of steps humans need to take in order to evolve past our revolving tendencies? I'm pretty sure you have no grasp on anything I just said, or you just reject psychology in it's entirety.

Human tendency over generations has been to dwell on your past and the mistakes made by you, your family, your ancestors, etc. This school of thought is forward thinking because that thinking in itself is backwards.

You do not become a better person for dwelling and repenting on errors you did not commit. Do you think kids learn to not touch a stove because their parents touched the stove and told them they should never do it? No they touch the stove, hurt the shit out of their hand and realize they should never do it again.

I know a few elderly people who did live through that time period, and I sympathize for them entirely. I don't mock the holocaust, jews, blacks, or anything else. However that being said, I don't think that anyone on these forums lived through these events, and have any right to act as if they have any right to be upset about anyone who use any of the symbols of that time period in a joking manner.

[Buhbuh]

this is emulated everquest btw pals

emulated everquest

[Agatha]

this is emulated everquest btw pals

emulated everquest

just skipped to page 30 and it all seems like well thought out complete sentences, lotta unhealthies in here. stage 5 slay a beastmaster IRL levels rising.

[Fael]

This conversation is equally dumb.

[Rekrul]

So I'm dumb, because I follow the psychological view of steps humans need to take in order to evolve past our revolving tendencies? I'm pretty sure you have no grasp on anything I just said, or you just reject psychology in it's entirety.

Human tendency over generations has been to dwell on your past and the mistakes made by you, your family, your ancestors, etc. This school of thought is forward thinking because that thinking in itself is backwards.

You do not become a better person for dwelling and repenting on errors you did not commit. Do you think kids learn to not touch a stove because their parents touched the stove and told them they should never do it? No they touch the stove, hurt the shit out of their hand and realize they should never do it again.

I know a few elderly people who did live through that time period, and I sympathize for them entirely. I don't mock the holocaust, jews, blacks, or anything else. However that being said, I don't think that anyone on these forums lived through these events, and have any right to act as if they have any right to be upset about anyone who use any of the symbols of that time period in a joking manner.

Dumb.

I recommend Dan Carlin's podcast on WW2, you can listen to it while you play eq.

I'm not going to try to have a conversation with you if everything I say just goes over your head.

[Slathar]

lol salt is such a weird psycho

sad

[SamwiseRed]

stay banned hacker

[Lev_Mer]

bestow the immortal

[fred schnarf]

lol salt is such a weird psycho

sad

90% of people on red are psychos

[Lev_Mer]

100%

[Shawthis]

Holocaust is a pretty cool word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cDpifa5YQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw--hL0xij8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDNXykkZyng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjN3cDFX23E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgROngie-IE

Even brown Brazilians think so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61YeT7E6lzo

And the Polish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcLRrlDJH2U

And the French
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruXDZgRJznY

Brown Colombians....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94qMtn12CWk

Antisemitism is bad mmk? Cool word though.