9/11 - Inside Job?

[Japan]

Well?

[Sigmastorm]

Thousands of accounts were suddenly ended by filthy, despicable acts of poopsocking.

The pictures of guilds shitting into socks, shits dripping, huge skidmarks forming, have filled us with disbelief, terrible sadness, and a quiet, unyielding anger.

These acts of mass poopsocking were intended to frighten our server into chaos and retreat.

[tj218]

atm: 80% believe it was an inside job?


FUCKING RETARDS!

80% of you must also subscribe to the "George W. Bush is a fucking idiot" , but then in the same breath believe he planned out a massive conspiracy that involved hundreds of thousands of people all of whom continue to keep it a secret..... just so he could go to war and defend daddy's honor.

At least your shitting in a sock has already eliminated your small chance of ever getting laid so we won't have more fucking idiots in the future.


Rename this from P99 to Project Windowlicking.

[Omica]

love 4chan.

[Japan]

9/11 was made out of steel. steel can't catch fire, it's made out of metal. Therefore george bush.

[baub]

..and that's when frank got his biggest clue..

[Eccentricaa]

r "George W. Bush is a fucking idiot"

True. Puppets don't always know the plans of the puppet master. Idiots are easy to manipulate. Just look at Fox New's viewers.

Bush is still the only US president to serve, that did not win majority vote..
Does anyone actually remember the riots that took place across the country? The protesters at his inauguration, throwing eggs and stuff at the motorcade? What about his being the worst approval rating of any president in modern history (pre 9-11) Or were you too young to remember all that?

No war is about honor. Everything this government does, is about money for someone.

Faux news, is owned and controlled by foreign interests. The "Terror Mosque" is being funded by one of Fox New's main owners (largest owner outside the Murdoch family) Alwaleed Bin Tala through the 'Kingdom Foundation. (Which btw, is also a buddy of Bush Jr & Sr.)

Divide and conquer... Fox news is doing a great job at that. Keep the country divided on stupid meaningless issues, Gay rights, abortion, etc. While everyone is getting screwed, everyone loosing their houses, their jobs.. While we continue to enslave our children to the private bankers of the Federal Reserve.

If the other side, can conspire to do something like 9/11 and pull it off, why isnt it possible that we can do the same?

America has already proven its government is willing to loose our citizen's lives to achieve their monetary goals. As far as staging an event, to rally the country behind a war, its been done before by our government, as well as most other governments around the world. There were staged events that took us into Vietnam, Korea, WW1 and 2. Sunken ships, ignored warnings, and massive losses of American lives. Nazi's had their Reichstag fire... we had our 9/11.

[Glaani]

Bush is still the only US president to serve, that did not win majority vote..


Not true.

Question: Which presidents were elected without winning the popular vote?

Answer: Four presidents took office without winning the popular vote. In other words, they did not receive a plurality in terms of the popular vote. They were elected, instead, by the electoral college or in the case of John Quincy Adams by the House of Representatives after a tie in the electoral votes. They were:

* John Quincy Adams who lost by 44,804 votes to Andrew Jackson in 1824
* Rutherford B. Hayes who lost by 264,292 votes to Samuel J. Tilden in 1876
* Benjamin Harrison who lost by 95,713 votes to Grover Cleveland in 1888
* George W. Bush who lost by 543,816 votes to Al Gore in the 2000 election.

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/uspresidents/f/pres_unpopular.htm

[Eccentricaa]

Not true.

Question: Which presidents were elected without winning the popular vote?

Answer: Four presidents took office without winning the popular vote. In other words, they did not receive a plurality in terms of the popular vote. They were elected, instead, by the electoral college or in the case of John Quincy Adams by the House of Representatives after a tie in the electoral votes. They were:

* John Quincy Adams who lost by 44,804 votes to Andrew Jackson in 1824
* Rutherford B. Hayes who lost by 264,292 votes to Samuel J. Tilden in 1876
* Benjamin Harrison who lost by 95,713 votes to Grover Cleveland in 1888
* George W. Bush who lost by 543,816 votes to Al Gore in the 2000 election.

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/uspresidents/f/pres_unpopular.htm

Bush's election was not decided by any votes though. The Supreme Court had to rule. A supreme court, that was partially built by his daddy.

[Bojangles]

So... he still didn't win by a majority of the votes. Not sure what you are arguing.

Correct, steel doesn't burn. But jet fuel does, as does aluminum + rust, paint, humans, other building materials. Also, if you are going to rig a building to fall down there would be very little fire, it would be an explosion rather than a burning. A few puffs of smoke on major support areas and that would be all that is needed. So huge blasts of flame are not indicative of sabotage.

Obama is the biggest proof against 9/11 being an inside job (at least by Republicans!). If us evil conservatives could rig 9/11, why do we have a socialist prez and a compliant democratic house and senate, with the Supreme Court now 1 heartbeat away from a wacked out liberal majority.

[VictoryARC]

As opposed to a wacked out conservative majority. I wish both polar ends of the political spectrum would just shrivel up and die. Why can't the moderate voices be just as strong as the wackjobs on the far left and the stupid teabaggers on the far right.

[Eccentricaa]

Folks hate Obama.. They hated the Bushes.. They disliked Clinton because he got a BJ..

But ALL OF THEM have the same advisors, the same people running most of the larger departments.

There is no difference between them.


Turn off any for profit news station. Especially anything owned by Newscorp.


As far as socialism... Its been here, longer than you have. You are probably here alive today because of it.

Public libraries, roads, bridges, police, fire stations, EMS, schools, social security, medicare, parks, even your utilities, and your precious world wide web are ALL SOCIALIST (in the beginning, most are now controlled by for profit companies) Hell, even the farm subsidies, that provide you with cheap food are socialist.

Capitalism is the problem IMO.
(before you bash that statement, hear me out.)

A government wants to build a road. It used to directly hire the individuals to build the road. It used to buy the materials to build the road. The government would build the road. There were once good paying government jobs, with benefits, retirement, etc. Those people tried to do a good job, in order to keep their job.

With capitalism, A government wants to build the road. It wastes time getting bids on the road. Goes with a company who may or may not be the lowest bidder, maybe the CEO is a college buddy, or a company the elected official previously worked for. That company, out to make a profit, hires the cheapest labor, buys and uses the cheapest material, does a rush job (because there's more money to make elsewhere). We end up with a road, that needs repaired the year later. Its not in that company's best interest to provide a long lasting quality job. Its better for the industry if they dont. That company's interest is in making money, and not serving the people of the country.

The government ends up paying more money, for a road of less quality.

Thanks to capitalism -
* * Our tax dollars subsidized the creation of the internet, paid the utility companies to lay the lines, and yet that company still charges us to access the lines WE already paid for through tax dollars.
* * Our tax dollars help pay for the power stations, the utility lines, including emergency funding after a major storm, and yet we still pay for profit companies to have the luxury of turning on the light?
* * Our schools in most states now have for profit companies that provide school lunches, run sporting events, run the school bus systems, and even hiring 'educational consultants' to determine curriculum. These area all companies that are creating profits by providing less.
If I send my kid to school with 2 bucks a day for school lunch, why in the fuck is she getting 30cents worth of food? How much does it really cost to make mac and cheese, bean burritos, mashed potatoes, or 3 fish sticks?
* * A portion of every home owners property tax is used to pay for things like local hospitals, zoos, city beautification,
* *The Obamacare policy forces people to pay into FOR PROFIT companies to buy insurance, or be penalized through the IRS system. If Obamacare was an actual socialist policy, it would be a non profit system that is controlled and owned by the public, and not 'for profit' companies.

By definition, socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.

Why wouldn't you want to control the things you already pay for? To have some say in how your money was spent. This is money your already spending. Emptying your pockets of your hard earned money, and handing it over to for profit companies.

If you remove the profit, you get the same thing, for less money.

[taxi2]

In the end it doesnt really matter who did it.
Did it really matter who started the reichstag fire?

What really matters is what the right-wingers did with this golden opportunity. To be honest, im going to NYC in 5 days and i will look at it sorta like someone would look at the titanic before it floats away towards NY. Im not sure american democracy can survive one more terrorist attack like 9/11. And if 9/11 was an inside job, its only a matter of time.

[Glaani]

As far as socialism... Its been here, longer than you have. You are probably here alive today because of it.

Public libraries, roads, bridges, police, fire stations, EMS, schools, social security, medicare, parks, even your utilities, and your precious world wide web are ALL SOCIALIST (in the beginning, most are now controlled by for profit companies) Hell, even the farm subsidies, that provide you with cheap food are socialist.



Thank you for saving me the trouble of posting this. :)

[taxi2]

What eccentrica said ^^^

I always get a chuckle when my american host in NY talks about obama as a communist, as socialist as if it was evil (and as if obama was anything other than a center-right politician). I know i only have to use this argument to completely demolish his viewpoint, but i leave politics alone when i visit the US.

[Alarti0001]

9/11 was made out of steel. steel can't catch fire, it's made out of metal. Therefore george bush.

All metals burn at hot enough temperatures. In fact metal fires are classified usually as Delta fires because they are so hard to put out and generally are self sustaining.

[tj218]

True. Puppets don't always know the plans of the puppet master. Idiots are easy to manipulate. Just look at Fox New's viewers.

Bush is still the only US president to serve, that did not win majority vote..
Does anyone actually remember the riots that took place across the country? The protesters at his inauguration, throwing eggs and stuff at the motorcade? What about his being the worst approval rating of any president in modern history (pre 9-11) Or were you too young to remember all that?

No war is about honor. Everything this government does, is about money for someone.

Faux news, is owned and controlled by foreign interests. The "Terror Mosque" is being funded by one of Fox New's main owners (largest owner outside the Murdoch family) Alwaleed Bin Tala through the 'Kingdom Foundation. (Which btw, is also a buddy of Bush Jr & Sr.)

Divide and conquer... Fox news is doing a great job at that. Keep the country divided on stupid meaningless issues, Gay rights, abortion, etc. While everyone is getting screwed, everyone loosing their houses, their jobs.. While we continue to enslave our children to the private bankers of the Federal Reserve.

If the other side, can conspire to do something like 9/11 and pull it off, why isnt it possible that we can do the same?

America has already proven its government is willing to loose our citizen's lives to achieve their monetary goals. As far as staging an event, to rally the country behind a war, its been done before by our government, as well as most other governments around the world. There were staged events that took us into Vietnam, Korea, WW1 and 2. Sunken ships, ignored warnings, and massive losses of American lives. Nazi's had their Reichstag fire... we had our 9/11.


/salute Eccentricaa: All the co-conspirators in all these events kept this such a good secret but Eccentricaa is the one human being that knows "the truth."

Please tell me what the next great world event that is actually a conspiracy is.....or better yet why don't you stop shitting in a sock and prevent it?

[tj218]

Capitalism is the problem IMO.
(before you bash that statement, hear me out.)

A communistgovernment wants to build a road. It used to directly enslave at gunpointthe individuals to build the road. It used to steal, or forced other laborers to get the materials to build the road. The government would build the road. There were once good paying government jobs, with benefits:you get to live another day Those people tried to do a good job, in order to keep their lives.

.....

If you remove the profitand force at gunpoint, you get the same thing, for less money.



Fixed!

[taxi2]

Fixed!

lol right, a hundred cuban rebels took an island of 6 million people by forcing them to work at gunpoint. That shit is waterproof son. Just ask Ann Coulter.

[taxi2]

Of course stalin was like that, but thats like pointing at bush and saying all democrats are like him. Seeing in black and white never works out.

[tj218]

lol right, a hundred cuban rebels took an island of 6 million people by forcing them to work at gunpoint. That shit is waterproof son. Just ask Ann Coulter.

How many have died trying to escape the worker's paradise of Cuba?

That's right ESCAPE.

[purist]

^ lol, how many people died trying to escape capitalist "paradises" like Mexico?

Answer:e (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/07/20100507immigrants-border-deaths.html#ixzz0ymgiHdZ5) According to the U.S. Border Patrol, 417 in 2009 alone.

[Bithynia]

So... he still didn't win by a majority of the votes. Not sure what you are arguing.

Correct, steel doesn't burn. But jet fuel does, as does aluminum + rust, paint, humans, other building materials.


humans as building materials= i lol'd

[Erasong]

As opposed to a wacked out conservative majority. I wish both polar ends of the political spectrum would just shrivel up and die. Why can't the moderate voices be just as strong as the wackjobs on the far left and the stupid teabaggers on the far right.

[President]

I didn't realize so many people on this board take Fox News as fact.

[kinztz]

I didn't realize so many people on this board take News as fact.

Fixed, everyone has an agenda.

[taxi2]

How many have died trying to escape the worker's paradise of Cuba?

That's right ESCAPE.

Many factors over the years made Cuba less than it could have been. One of them being the US embargo.

But hey, if you talked against the government in Cuba in the 70s, you might have ended up in jail. If you did that in El salvador, or any of the US-supported fascistic banana republics at the time, your wife might have found you on the porch with your balls in your mouth or your head on a spike, just to make sure the rest of the "communist vermin" didnt get any funny ideas.

Just pick any latin american country which were under US-supported military dictatorship during the 60s-80s and its the same story. Brazil, Honduras, Chili, Colombia...

[Zithax]

Clearly an inside job, if you don't know that just youtube it. the information is there dude

[Stanlei]

do you people actually believe that this was anything but inside?

If you do I would love to hear your explination on building 7, the WTC building that "collapsed" from a fire started from debris?

Please feel free to explain how a steel framed building (Building 7) collapsed from a simple fire and yet no steel building in history has ever collapsed due to a fire before this event, and none after?

If you can sit behind your keyboard and say that you believe a "fire" demolished a steel building to a state of rubble, try looking up some footage of burning buildings before you post a reply to this to save yourself the embarrassment.

I think it's safe to say that building 7 was related to the attacks, and if the story we were told about how it was demolished is untrue, how can you believe that the stories about the other 2 towers (which were told by the same people) can be trusted?

P.S. The US government stands a lot more to gain than it does to lose from this act, both in revenue and public support. Assuming that their story is true/believed.

[Dominick]

Seriously. You are proposing that we murder 3000 people for uncertain and dubious political gain, as well as stop airlines from operating for a week, and spending thousands of man hours flying combat sorties over the US, followed by two wars (I will say two and a half, because really, we are at war with Iran).

I call total and complete bullshit. Anyone who claims it was an inside job based on dubious engineering claims lacks basic material and statics design knowledge or is very duped.

I am an engineer, and have been in engineering as a bench tech, engineer and system designer for about 30 years. I don't like big government, and when I hear the government tell me something I look very hard at it. Most Americans didn't read any detail from the the entire WTC Commission report, just like most of your congress-critters don't read bills they pass.

Failure and root cause analysis is a very important study in engineering. I have seen wings come off aircraft because someone simply put a line of caulk inside an aircraft and created a corrosion problem. I have seen fires start because one wire in a power system was a different material. There are many oddities in failures.

The mechanism for the WTC collapse is pretty straight forward, if you understand buildings and statics; material science; and load tolerances.

Here is my short view of the mechanism of failure.

All modern tall and large buildings translate weight to a foundation. In the great Pyramids and castles this was done by thickening the load bearing walls at the foundation. When steel as a load bearing material was invented we used a skeleton. As we got better, we used levers and counterbalance to transfer the mass of the upper stories from the center of the building to the load bearing outside walls.

Steel itself is an engineering breakthrough, the secret of steel was actually lost to engineering. It originated in the Indian Subcontinent before Christ was born, and was later called Damascus Steel. Steel and other alloys works because micro-crystal dendrites and minerals in the metal make it rigid. You heat steel and it becomes weaker.

The WTC building towers were a masterpiece of engineering, in that the load bearing walls were the skin, and the interior did not need as many support braces, leaving more square footage. The crashes removed large parts of the load bearing walls. Heat steel under pressure and it fails. This heat from the fire caused local beams to fail, which resulted in a cascade failure. The outside walls were not designed to function as load bearing with much of the structure gone.

The impacts were in bad places, being right below the section of lighter trusses on the 107th floor. Shortly after the crashes, floors below the crash had already begun to pancake due to heat from burning fuel, a half hour later the first collapse occurred.

The same basics apply to WTC 7 except that it used cantilevers to translate weight. There was also fuel oil stored in the building and the conclusion was the weight of material striking the building, the fire and the loss of all fire suppression equipment caused an imbalance in the cantilever design. It took a few days but the building went down as well.

Its not something mysterious. As an aside, if there were munitions in the aircraft or on the floors, most of that jet fuel would have vaporized, and would not have caused the failures that were observed.

[Japan]

but how steal catch fire it made of medal

[Raavak]

Anything burns if you get it hot enough.

[Dominick]

how is babby formed

[Raavak]

Bush had the building destroyed because Chenney beat him in poker and won his extensive Playboy collection. Chenney traded the collection to Skeeter Steiner who was a manager at Cantor Fitzgerald and gave Chenney a 1986 BMW for them. Skeeter then stored them in the company safe and repeatedly refused to sell them back to George. In revenge George took the place down. Rumor also has it Miss May 1970 autographed his copy with a racy remark to the then air force pilot.

[Dominick]

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID1976/images/Fifty50_Vintage_Playboy.jpg

[Japan]

Anything burns if you get it hot enough.

WOW you're wrong.

1. water
2. medals
3. soggy leaves

[Theldios]

WOW you're wrong.

1. water
2. medals
3. soggy leaves


2. Medals?? I think you mean metals correct?

Well here is some infor for ya about metals (specificly steel)
The yield strength of most ferrous metals does not hold up well under heat. Most steel will have a yield point reduction of around 25% at 600°F. It's not until the addition of nickel and other alloying components which are very expensive, does steel start to do better under high temp conditions.

Steel support beamd and girders are ferrous materials (ferrous meanign they contain iron) So technicly they do not really burn but they lose strength and melt under high heat which is what I belive the commison found.

[Bojangles]

Folks hate Obama.. They hated the Bushes.. They disliked Clinton because he got a BJ..

But ALL OF THEM have the same advisors, the same people running most of the larger departments.

There is no difference between them.


Turn off any for profit news station. Especially anything owned by Newscorp.


As far as socialism... Its been here, longer than you have. You are probably here alive today because of it.

Public libraries, roads, bridges, police, fire stations, EMS, schools, social security, medicare, parks, even your utilities, and your precious world wide web are ALL SOCIALIST (in the beginning, most are now controlled by for profit companies) Hell, even the farm subsidies, that provide you with cheap food are socialist.

Capitalism is the problem IMO.
(before you bash that statement, hear me out.)

A government wants to build a road. It used to directly hire the individuals to build the road. It used to buy the materials to build the road. The government would build the road. There were once good paying government jobs, with benefits, retirement, etc. Those people tried to do a good job, in order to keep their job.

With capitalism, A government wants to build the road. It wastes time getting bids on the road. Goes with a company who may or may not be the lowest bidder, maybe the CEO is a college buddy, or a company the elected official previously worked for. That company, out to make a profit, hires the cheapest labor, buys and uses the cheapest material, does a rush job (because there's more money to make elsewhere). We end up with a road, that needs repaired the year later. Its not in that company's best interest to provide a long lasting quality job. Its better for the industry if they dont. That company's interest is in making money, and not serving the people of the country.

The government ends up paying more money, for a road of less quality.

Thanks to capitalism -
* * Our tax dollars subsidized the creation of the internet, paid the utility companies to lay the lines, and yet that company still charges us to access the lines WE already paid for through tax dollars.
* * Our tax dollars help pay for the power stations, the utility lines, including emergency funding after a major storm, and yet we still pay for profit companies to have the luxury of turning on the light?
* * Our schools in most states now have for profit companies that provide school lunches, run sporting events, run the school bus systems, and even hiring 'educational consultants' to determine curriculum. These area all companies that are creating profits by providing less.
If I send my kid to school with 2 bucks a day for school lunch, why in the fuck is she getting 30cents worth of food? How much does it really cost to make mac and cheese, bean burritos, mashed potatoes, or 3 fish sticks?
* * A portion of every home owners property tax is used to pay for things like local hospitals, zoos, city beautification,
* *The Obamacare policy forces people to pay into FOR PROFIT companies to buy insurance, or be penalized through the IRS system. If Obamacare was an actual socialist policy, it would be a non profit system that is controlled and owned by the public, and not 'for profit' companies.

By definition, socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.

Why wouldn't you want to control the things you already pay for? To have some say in how your money was spent. This is money your already spending. Emptying your pockets of your hard earned money, and handing it over to for profit companies.

If you remove the profit, you get the same thing, for less money.

You have an incomplete understanding of what socialist and capitalist means.


Stanlei:
"Please feel free to explain how a steel framed building (Building 7) collapsed from a simple fire and yet no steel building in history has ever collapsed due to a fire before this event, and none after?"

It wasn't a simple fire. It was a plane weighing several hundred tons, moving at several hundred miles an hour slamming into the building. Buildings are designed mainly to support weight from the top, not lateral motion. See Dominick's post above for a far more detailed explanation.

"P.S. The US government stands a lot more to gain than it does to lose from this act, both in revenue and public support. Assuming that their story is true/believed."

Yeah, that recession and the billions we have spent on homeland defense, along with 2 wars has really left us with some fat coffers and little or no debt. What exactly did the gov gain from public support? If they had the power to pull this off, why didn't they have the power to keep people supporting them afterwards?

Japan:
"WOW you're wrong. [that everything burns]

1. water
2. medals
3. soggy leaves"


Incorrect.

1. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070913-burning-water.html

2. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1961RSPSA.261..357H

3. OK, you got me there.

[Raavak]

"burning" is just rapid oxidation

Water is technically a biproduct of hydrocarbon combustion, but if you add enough energy/ heat you can get the atoms to disassociate, and then burn back together. The National Geographic article describes this with a real life example.

But this digresses. Though metal (medal) can burn, thats not what happened. It just got hot enough to lower its yield strength to a point it failed.

[Dominick]

Though metal (medal) can burn, thats not what happened. It just got hot enough to lower its yield strength to a point it failed.

I was going to bring up thermite. Thermite is basically powdered aluminum and iron. It is detonated with a cap to burn at about 2500C.

[Noser]

31 people? seriously guys.. ?

[yaeger]

Those fools. They should have used Unobtainium. That's the best metal there is.

No amount of suicidal planes, fires, or crazy stock brokers with nothing left to lose could take a building down made with Unobtainium.

[Lazortag]

Wow. I watched loose change and like any good skeptic I looked for sources that could contradict its version of the events. I'm pretty sure that most people who've read a thorough rebuttal to any 9/11 truther movie would be pretty convinced that the movement is full of shit. There's actually a forum (I forget where) where people actually refute every single claim in these movies within hours of their release. Seriously guys. Seriously.

[yaeger]

Wow. I watched loose change and like any good skeptic I looked for sources that could contradict its version of the events. I'm pretty sure that most people who've read a thorough rebuttal to any 9/11 truther movie would be pretty convinced that the movement is full of shit. There's actually a forum (I forget where) where people actually refute every single claim in these movies within hours of their release. Seriously guys. Seriously.

Conspiracy theorists take paranoia to an all new level.

Or maybe the government pays them to do that as a cover for the REAL stuff.

Or maybe conspiracy theorists say that the government pays other conspiracy theorists to make up unbelievable stories to cover what the REAL conspiracy theorists are about to uncover.

Or maybe... you know, gonna stop there.

[tj218]

To the 32 people please read this (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842):


Or is that part of the vast conspiracy too? Where's your rebuttal?

[Ronas]

"This country was founded by a group of slave owners who wanted to be. Am I right? A group of slave owners who wanted to be free! So they killed a lot of white English people in order to continue owning their black African people, so they could wipe out the rest of the red Indian people, in order to move west and steal the rest of the land from the brown Mexican people, giving them a place to take off and drop their nuclear weapons on the yellow Japanese people. You know what the motto for this country ought to be? 'You give us a color, we'll wipe it out.'"

"The difference between left and right of center...originated in the French parliament. The people left of center were liberals; the people right of center were conservatives. Broadly speaking. And generally speaking, people on...the right of center, are interested in property values, property, property rights. The rights and the rights of property. And generally speaking again – it's all generalized – the left-of-center people are more concerned with humans and human beings and human concerns; to the care of humans, not the care and worry about property rights. That's generally been true. And Bush is pushing this country farther down the hill, faster than anyone has before."

"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F*ck Hope.'"

"I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain,' but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."

Quote by : George Carlin

[Eccentricaa]

The Pledge of Allegiance
by Jello Biafra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRH7upESOzU

(from Ministry’s “Live in case you didn't feel like showing up”)




I pledge defiance to the flag of the United Snakes of Captivity

And to the Republic for which it stands, I dip it in kerosene, and stick it up the ass of you know who1 and light it

One nation, under God--or else

One nation, under psychopath Pentagon gangsters, whose idea of democracy is concentration camps for the people who go and use the drugs that the government supplies themselves

One nation, under Wall Street:

If the cops and the President are all criminals, I might as well be one too, ha ha! 2

One Nation of tabloid robots who actually believe what they see on tv, but when ask about it say “I don’t care.”

One nation, drowning in its own garbage

Indivisible from the from the fall of Rome

With liberty and justice for all who can afford it


Burn, Baby, Burn

Old Glory

The Yankee Swastika

Burn, Baby, Burn

Burn, Baby, Burn

Whenever I see you I see red

Whenever I see you I see red

If the Communists can do it, why can’t we

Throw the bastards out and try some real Democracy

Not by rich people

Not by Army people

Not by sons of senators sons of senators sons of senators sons

After all, have you noticed

The more they dole out Democracy over there

The more they take it away over here

Now, before it’s too late

Be a good boyscout

Take the Swastika

The Yankee Swastika

and let it

Burn

Burn

Burn, baby Burn

[Evilmog]

I voted I like metal, because it's true.

[Japan]

One socalled "refutement" of 9/11 Truth is the issue of medals catching fire. If medal cannot catch fire then the towers would not have fallen unless there were explosives. We know from daily experience that medal cannot catch fire, despite what the Zionist Science Establishment may be telling you. You have seen steal and other medals catch a combustion in books, but what about in real life? Can you verify this claim? My stove grill is made out of medal, and it has fire on it for up to and including 15 minutes a week when I make rice-a-roni on friday nights. It has never caught fire or turned into liquid, that's why it's made of medal.

[Lazortag]

One socalled "refutement" of 9/11 Truth is the issue of medals catching fire. If medal cannot catch fire then the towers would not have fallen unless there were explosives. We know from daily experience that medal cannot catch fire, despite what the Zionist Science Establishment may be telling you. You have seen steal and other medals catch a combustion in books, but what about in real life? Can you verify this claim? My stove grill is made out of medal, and it has fire on it for up to and including 15 minutes a week when I make rice-a-roni on friday nights. It has never caught fire or turned into liquid, that's why it's made of medal.

This is awesome. Well done.

For any others who get a laugh out of 9/11 truthers you should look up Judy Wood (http://www.drjudywood.com/). Also this parody (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI) video is great.

[Hoggen]

One socalled "refutement" of 9/11 Truth is the issue of medals catching fire. If medal cannot catch fire then the towers would not have fallen unless there were explosives. We know from daily experience that medal cannot catch fire, despite what the Zionist Science Establishment may be telling you. You have seen steal and other medals catch a combustion in books, but what about in real life? Can you verify this claim? My stove grill is made out of medal, and it has fire on it for up to and including 15 minutes a week when I make rice-a-roni on friday nights. It has never caught fire or turned into liquid, that's why it's made of medal.

Are we talking about John Kerry's medals? Weren't those fake? I mean he still has his medals and threw someone elses over the fence? And that was long before 911, wasn't it?

How am I supposed to take someone that eats Rice-a-roni seriously? Come on...

[Japan]

Judy Wood (http://www.drjudywood.com/).

9/11 truth + free energy, loling

[Goobles]

Christian Crusades, anybody?

[Lill-Leif]

We know from daily experience that medal cannot catch fire

We also know from daily experience that the earth is flat. But sometimes "daily experience" hasn't got all the answers..

[Omica]

One socalled "refutement" of 9/11 Truth is the issue of medals catching fire. If medal cannot catch fire then the towers would not have fallen unless there were explosives. We know from daily experience that medal cannot catch fire, despite what the Zionist Science Establishment may be telling you. You have seen steal and other medals catch a combustion in books, but what about in real life? Can you verify this claim? My stove grill is made out of medal, and it has fire on it for up to and including 15 minutes a week when I make rice-a-roni on friday nights. It has never caught fire or turned into liquid, that's why it's made of medal.

Made my day.

[Dominick]

Are we talking about John Kerry's medals? Weren't those fake? I mean he still has his medals and threw someone elses over the fence? And that was long before 911, wasn't it?


Big deal, you can replace medal, and many times the government will send the replacements free of charge.

[purist]

The only funny part was the rice-a-roni on friday nights line.

[Bojangles]

One socalled "refutement" of 9/11 Truth is the issue of medals catching fire. If medal cannot catch fire then the towers would not have fallen unless there were explosives. We know from daily experience that medal cannot catch fire, despite what the Zionist Science Establishment may be telling you. You have seen steal and other medals catch a combustion in books, but what about in real life? Can you verify this claim? My stove grill is made out of medal, and it has fire on it for up to and including 15 minutes a week when I make rice-a-roni on friday nights. It has never caught fire or turned into liquid, that's why it's made of medal.

Refuted by Dominick. Read more, be wrong less.


Christian Crusades, anybody?

What about them?


The Pledge of Allegiance
by Jello Biafra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRH7upESOzU

(from Ministry’s “Live in case you didn't feel like showing up”)




I pledge defiance to the flag of the United Snakes of Captivity

And to the Republic for which it stands, I dip it in kerosene, and stick it up the ass of you know who1 and light it

One nation, under God--or else
...
[blah blah blah]
...
Not by sons of senators sons of senators sons of senators sons

After all, have you noticed

The more they dole out Democracy over there

The more they take it away over here

Now, before it’s too late

Be a good boyscout

Take the Swastika

The Yankee Swastika

and let it

Burn

Burn

Burn, baby Burn


If you don't like our societies' values, then move to that nation where your values built a strong enough society to carve out its own niche and defended itself from its neighbors, or start your own country where you can do whatever nonsense you seem to be advocating in the above lyrics.

[Tseng]

Yeah, the government did that shit.

I love the "George Bush r stupid, he couldn't plan it"

No fucking shit, dumbass. Why would he be involved at all? It's called plausible deniability

[purist]

If you don't like our societies' values, then move to that nation where your values built a strong enough society to carve out its own niche and defended itself from its neighbors, or start your own country where you can do whatever nonsense you seem to be advocating in the above lyrics.

Free speech is the apex of our society's values. If you don't like it, maybe you should be the one moving to a country that doesn't advocate it. May I suggest Saudi Arabia or China? You seem to fit right in there.

I don't know what's worse, 9/11 conspiracy theories or dipshits like you.

[taxi2]

If you don't like our societies' values, then move to that nation where your values built a strong enough society to carve out its own niche and defended itself from its neighbors, or start your own country where you can do whatever nonsense you seem to be advocating in the above lyrics.

Yeah, america is always defending itself!

First it was the amerindians, then (skipping the tape forward now) defending itself from those evil communist ****s, then arming muslim crackpots in afghanistan so they can defeat local communists who accept women as equals and nun-raping, coke snorting death squads in Honduras to fight for freedom against those evil school-building, land-reforming evil nicaraguans.

[Humerox]

we americans are brainwashed into defending rights we don't have anymore.

Patriot Act
Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement
(probably the greatest threat to personal freedom ever, and since it's an executive agreement congress can't say shit about it)

peace

[khazim]

The Conspiracy on the part of the government, IMO, is one of covering up just how unprepared we were for this sort of thing.

Before 9/11 a plane hijacking meant the plane was going to land somewhere, have demands, and then negotiations for the release of the passengers. "Poor Man's Guided Missile" never entered into the equation.

The Twin Towers were of a unique construction to allow for large open areas of office space. Unlike conventional steel girder construction where the building without it's four exterior walls is as strong as with them, The World trade Center's main vertical support ran around the outside of the building; right where large planes impacted them, destroying those columns, weakening the overall building structure. Once the fires maintained after the initial fuel explosion, it was only a matter of time.

If you want to blame anybody for 9/11, blame Tom Clancy. The concept of slamming a commercial jet liner into a large building was used and explored in one of his Jack Ryan books a full 7 years prior to 9/11. I wonder where the idea to actually pursue this came from?

[Japan]

Refuted by Dominick. Read more, be wrong less.


woosh

[Eccentricaa]

If you don't like our societies' values, then move to that nation where your values built a strong enough society to carve out its own niche and defended itself from its neighbors, or start your own country where you can do whatever nonsense you seem to be advocating in the above lyrics.


"Our Societies Values"

By this do you mean your values? Or are you discussing religious values written in your holy book?

Like it or not, I am part of YOUR society, and MY opinion on how MY government is run, is just as valid as yours. My values, mean just as much to me, as you do to yours. I am not the one who is intolerant of other people's opinions, telling you to leave your country, because your values do not match mine.

Every citizen in this country, regardless of their religion or lack there of, deserve to have a say in how this government should be run. Everyone regardless of their political party affiliation should be standing up to the corruption in Washington. They should ALL be united in fighting to keep what little rights we have left. All citizens should be united in fighting the unconstitutional economic slavery that binds us to the Federal Reserve.

The flag is just a cloth, with some colors that was made in China. (Most US flags are no longer manufactured in the US.. ) People get worked up about burning a flag. Those same people pollute our air, fail to vote, beat their wives, cheat on their taxes, toss cigarettes and litter out the car window, waste tons of food, overflow our landfills, break the law, bail on child support, molest our children, and destroy this country in so many more ways than simply burning a flag. If you are someone who TRULY takes pride in this county, then you too should be doing something about it. Being the little keyboard warrior, bashing folks here wont change shit.



BTW
Jello Biafra, for those who are not familiar with his writings/songs, used to be the lead singer for the Dead Kennedy's back in the early days of punk. He is a political activist, and does a great deal of public speaking as well as performs spoken word concerts.

[girth]

This thread makes me wish I was Dexter IRL.

[purist]

Y'all need to toot it and boot it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWlMhiEL9Mc

[Goobles]

Has anyone ever thought about how many Muslims were in the WTCs when they fell?

[Bojangles]

Purist:
"Free speech is the apex of our society's values. If you don't like it, maybe you should be the one moving to a country that doesn't advocate it."

Wow, ignorance of what free speech means combined with utter, glaring hypocrisy. Free speech puts limits on what the government can do to regulate communication, it has nothing to do with what I deem to be valuable or worthless. You say I'm bad for telling people they should move to another country due to believing differently than I do(and you miss my real point), but then tell me to move to a different country because I believe differently than you do. Are you kidding me? Do you truly not see your own hypocrisy in that? You really think you should have the right to tell me I am wrong in believing that I have the right to tell someone else they are wrong? WTF moron.

My real point was that building a nation that can hold its own in a competitive world requires certain hard decisions about behavior towards outsiders be made, as well as curtailing individual freedoms of those within the nation, in order to maximize competitiveness. The things Eccentricaa and others rail against are precisely what made us powerful enough to be a nation with choices rather than a subservient people bowing to the will of others. I wasn't saying "Love it or leave it!" I was saying "What you rail against is what we need to remain strong enough to compete in the world. Try to carve out a nation with your panty-waist values and see how well you do." Thereby showing the need to keep the values that keep us competitive.

If liberalism prevails, in 50 years our children will be fighting to get housekeeping jobs in Beijing, and saying “yessah, massah Chang Dong Pang, I be cleanin the rugs bettah, no needs to beats me massah.”


Taxi2:
"Yeah, america is always defending itself!"
I never said it was solely about defense. I actually implied (and meant, see above) the opposite when I said "carve out its own niche..."


Eccentricaa:
"By this do you mean your values? Or are you discussing religious values written in your holy book?"

By this I mean the values that made our society great. What holy book are you talking about? Or is this that other great liberal pastime besides hypocrisy and ignorance, namely the straw man argument?


Eccentricaa:
"I am not the one who is intolerant of other people's opinions, telling you to leave your country, because your values do not match mine."

Again with the hypocrisy. Obviously you are intolerant of other peoples' opinions, or you wouldn't be attacking my opinions and saying that I shouldn’t be posting them in public.

Side note: So do you denounce Purist for telling me to leave the country?


Eccentricaa:
"Every citizen in this country, regardless of their religion or lack there of, deserve to have a say in how this government should be run."

We should do that sometime. Unfortunately the lunatic left has managed to highjack our country, and pervert its values and institutions. Poll after poll shows more Americans identify as conservative rather than liberal, yet our country has been lurching to the left since FDR, both fiscally and socially. Democrats run as centrists, then appoint judges (who far more than the legislature are the arbiters of what is 'right' and 'wrong') from the far left, who decide that babies can be killed, the government can seize private property to sell to Wal-Mart, whether gay marriage is legal/ illegal, etc. etc. etc.

So yes, we agree here completely. Every citizen should have an equal say in government. But the conservative voices have been silenced by shenanigans pulled by both political parties. And now that checks on that voice are being removed, you will hear it this coming election. And every election after that.


Eccentricaa:
"People get worked up about burning a flag. Those same people pollute our air, fail to vote, beat their wives, cheat on their taxes, toss cigarettes and litter out the car window, waste tons of food, overflow our landfills, break the law, bail on child support, molest our children, and destroy this country in so many more ways than simply burning a flag."

So people who are against burning the flag are also criminals? Any sort of facts to back up this crime wave from anti-flag burners? Of course not, you are a liberal and don't need facts to believe something, or to believe someone else is the stupid, deluded one for not believing the same as you. All the while believing that you are the tolerant one.


Eccentricaa:
"If you are someone who TRULY takes pride in this county, then you too should be doing something about it. Being the little keyboard warrior, bashing folks here wont change shit."

Even more hypocrisy. You are all about free speech, and now you tell me not to post my opinion. You also say I shouldn't post because it won't do any good... so why exactly are you posting here?


Goobles:
"Has anyone ever thought about how many Muslims were in the WTCs when they fell?"

At least 10.

[purist]

lol, this guy has to be a troll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmv04yKG-po

+

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C9JX6VRjn0

=


"If liberalism prevails, in 50 years our children will be fighting to get housekeeping jobs in Beijing, and saying “yessah, massah Chang Dong Pang, I be cleanin the rugs bettah, no needs to beats me massah.”"

[Eccentricaa]

Even more hypocrisy. You are all about free speech, and now you tell me not to post my opinion. You also say I shouldn't post because it won't do any good... so why exactly are you posting here?


You were the one who told me to leave my country if I had problems with YOUR society's values. I was not the one intolerant of the other's opinion.

[Eccentricaa]

[QUOTE=Bojangles;155261]
Eccentricaa:
"By this do you mean your values? Or are you discussing religious values written in your holy book?"

By this I mean the values that made our society great. [quote]

But what values are those? Define them for me. What are values exclusive to America, that made our country great? Where did you obtain such values, and why are they exclusive to Americans? List them for me, because I fail to find "American Values" that are not simply values that other people of other countries share.

You sound like you have memorized many of Fox New's talking points since you are repeating them like a good lemming. Just because the same statement is repeated hundreds of time a day does not make it true.

[Eccentricaa]

Eccentricaa:
"By this do you mean your values? Or are you discussing religious values written in your holy book?"

By this I mean the values that made our society great.

But what values are those? Define them for me. What are values exclusive to America, that made our country great? Where did you obtain such values, and why are they exclusive to Americans? List them for me, because I fail to find "American Values" that are not simply values that other people of other countries share.

You sound like you have memorized many of Fox New's talking points since you are repeating them like a good lemming. Just because the same statement is repeated hundreds of time a day does not make it true.

[President]

Interesting..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_u9Ni6jHfw

[Theldios]

You were the one who told me to leave my country if I had problems with YOUR society's values. I was not the one intolerant of the other's opinion.
I am going to have to call your bullshit on this one. He never said his values he said our values. Meaning possibly the silent majority. the ones who still follow tradional american values but do not need to shout it to the skies.


People get worked up about burning a flag. Those same people pollute our air, fail to vote, beat their wives, cheat on their taxes, toss cigarettes and litter out the car window, waste tons of food, overflow our landfills, break the law, bail on child support, molest our children, and destroy this country in so many more ways than simply burning a flag.

I do not pollute our air. I do not beat my wife. I have never cheated on my taxes. I do not smoke. I do not litter out the car window. I always make sure to not waste food. I recycle everything I possibly can and collet things from others that they would not recycle to recycle them. I have never broken the law. I can not "bail" on child support as I have been with my wife for over 30 years and have raised all my children. and I most definitly have never molested a child. Yet for some reason it pisses me off when someone who does not even really who's graves and sacrafices they are spitting on burns a flag.
Perhaps it is those tradional values of my generation showing through

[Bojangles]

Eccentricaa
"You were the one who told me to leave my country if I had problems with YOUR society's values. I was not the one intolerant of the other's opinion."

You have no idea what is going on here, do you? I am not castigating you for being intolerant, as I have no problem with intolerance of others' views. If you don't think your views are superior to others, why bother to hold those views at all? What I am ridiculing you for is your hypocrisy. You say intolerance is bad, then you say things which are intolerant. Text book example of hypocrisy.

Eccentricaa:
"But what values are those? Define them for me. What are values exclusive to America, that made our country great? Where did you obtain such values, and why are they exclusive to Americans? List them for me, because I fail to find "American Values" that are not simply values that other people of other countries share. "

Please read more carefully next time, as it will save both of us a lot of time. You seem to just make things up that I never said (yes, a common liberal habit and probably hard for you to break). I never said those values were exclusive to America. In most cases they were thought up long before American even existed. The difference with America is that we took many ideas from many different thinkers and actually implemented them (or at least tried, sometimes in flawed way, but we tried.)

In a nutshell, these American values revolve around what powers the government has, and which powers it does not have. A limited government of checks and balances is a good place to start. It is also about a set of social mores that have survived the test of time, and lead us to where we are today, triumphing over other cultures in a Darwinian way (See "Darwin's Cathedral" by David Sloan Wilson to understand what I mean more fully). I am not saying these values are fixed in stone, as they have to be translated into the modern era. But translated, not completely rewritten without any thought on the consequences, which what is currently happening.

I have tried to answer your questions, now please answer the questions I posed above. Here are some highlights so you don't have to strain your reading comprehension skills:

1. You have not even attempted to defend yourself from my accusations of hypocrisy, all you did was incorrectly label me as a hypocrite as well. Is this an admission of guilt?
2. What was the point of mentioning a holy book?
3. Do you denounce Purist for telling me to leave the country?
4. Do you still maintain that those who are against flag burning are all criminals?
5. Do you still think that posting on message boards is worthless... except for yourself and those who believe as you do?

BTW, I thank you for at least attempting some thought in your replies. I wish I could say the same for Purist.

Purist:
"lol, this guy has to be a troll."

So I am a troll because of 2 links that I did not post? I do not quite understand. How about you address the issues I raised, and try to show that I am a troll from the statements I actually made.

Perhaps hearing someone who disagrees with you is such a shock that you must assume I am a troll, as all your experience in college has taught you that everyone thinks the same way... except of course for those hairy Neanderthals who all dropped out of high school, cook up meth, read some holy book Eccentricaa talks about, screw their sisters, listen to country music, only watch Fox news, hate blacks and Jews, etc. etc. It might be time for you to leave the womb of academia and realize there is more than 1 way to look at the world.

[purist]

tl;dr

[Bojangles]

addendum:
If you truly don't know what is meant by "American values", then you are an excellent example of the problem. In any other culture its members would know what was meant by their values, and although there might be some discrepancies between members, for the most part they would not be very different from each other. The only people who would be clueless about what was meant by "[insert your culture here]'s values" would be autistics and sociopaths. And even sociopaths would have a pretty good idea, they just wouldn't care.

[mimixownzall]

It's ok. Eccentricaa probably believes the Japanese are victims in WW2 because America dropped the bomb on them twice to end the war.

But has never heard of the Rape of Nanking because she is/was educated by the American public school system which never mentions what the Japanese did to SE Asia during WW2.

[Omica]

tl;dr

I'll sum it up for you.

derp

[khazim]

I am going to have to call your bullshit on this one. He never said his values he said our values. Meaning possibly the silent majority. the ones who still follow tradional american values but do not need to shout it to the skies.



I do not pollute our air. I do not beat my wife. I have never cheated on my taxes. I do not smoke. I do not litter out the car window. I always make sure to not waste food. I recycle everything I possibly can and collet things from others that they would not recycle to recycle them. I have never broken the law. I can not "bail" on child support as I have been with my wife for over 30 years and have raised all my children. and I most definitly have never molested a child. Yet for some reason it pisses me off when someone who does not even really who's graves and sacrafices they are spitting on burns a flag.
Perhaps it is those tradional values of my generation showing through

You are aware the only proper way to dispose of an American flag is by burning it, right?

US Flag Code, Paragraph 8, section k states:
"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

So, by outlawing flag burning, you're violating the US Flag Code.

[Theldios]

You are aware the only proper way to dispose of an American flag is by burning it, right?

US Flag Code, Paragraph 8, section k states:
"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

So, by outlawing flag burning, you're violating the US Flag Code.

And you do realize in your great amazing font of knowldge we are talking about the people who burn The flag in protest. Are you just dense? Or Just trying to inflame like most moronic ass jockey trolls?

[nalkin]

I am american but I want to be french. Or should I say, Je suis americain, mais je voudrais etre francais.

[nalkin]

OR similarly... J'ai envie d'etre francais

[Malrubius]

omg you guys are all so naive. Space aliens were responsible for 9/11 - deep inside you know its true. They also built the pyramids.

And there was a second shooter on the grassy gnoll.

And Hitler did not die until 1961.

And there are alien lifeforms being kept in hangars in New Mexico.

Bermuda triangle? Satan.

Loch Ness Monster? Check.

There are lots of other examples if you would just...OPEN...YOUR...EYES.

This stuff is a lot more fun to believe than the accepted likely explanations (bo-ring!).

[mimixownzall]

you forgot that we never landed on the moon.

it was actually all filmed in area 51 in a hanger fabricated to look like the moon.

(no, I do not believe this)

[Stanlei]

Interesting..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_u9Ni6jHfw

^^THIS^^

[Japan]

I heard loud noises from a vantage point where I could not see what was happening, definitely a chemical explosion! I am familiar with the sound of bombs because I am a firefighter!

[Estolcles]

Obama is the biggest proof against 9/11 being an inside job (at least by Republicans!). If us evil conservatives could rig 9/11, why do we have a socialist prez and a compliant democratic house and senate, with the Supreme Court now 1 heartbeat away from a wacked out liberal majority.

This is why I want to take my wrestling ring, and move to Canada.

[SlankyLanky]

What is this 9/11 you all are speaking of?

its when you spend $9.11 at the drive through but they forget to give you your 7 layer burrito or hot sauce. its a pretty big issue though.

[Japan]

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[Japan]

this excellent thread is so relevant today

[jilena]

Should have waited til september.

[Japan]

nah the 10-year anniversary merits a new thread so we can have a conspiracy bonanza extravaganza

[eqravenprince]

Anyone who voted inside job is an idiot.

[naez]

Tim Osman did it w/ the Easter bunny

[Prince]

barry soetoro president of the USSA and leader of the "free" world

[Prince]

9/11/01 + 3/10/11 = 12/21/12 aka date mayan calendar ends BUY AR15 + AMMO + GOLD

[Ozudin]

barry soetoro president of the USSA and leader of the "free" world

[philbertpk]

3 non Arabs arrested on the George Washington bridge with explosives. Never surfaced after the confusion.
Pentagon has 500 independent camera pointed at it, mostly from private parking decks surrounding it. All were confiscated right after the "crash." They play the vid of the twin towers getting hit ALL THE TIME but have you even seen the video of the plane crashing into the Pentagon? nah. cause one didnt.
People and Workers in the basement levels were thrown across the room when and explosion happened within the basement area as the planes hit.
The building that they made the decision to "pull" contained the secure offices holding the records for several major cases the government is trying to finish including ENRON.
Bush's nephew was head of security until he was relieved of duty of 9/10.
Popular Mechanic put out an article by the steel company that built the Twin Towers stating that the company built those buildings to withstand twice the heat produced by burning jet fuel. To protect their companies prestige that released a massive report detailing how the impact of a Jet that size could never cause the building to collapse.

the list goes on and on. Wish the government would just start answering some questions.
I have read the ENTIRE 9/11 commission report. some bullshit.

/endrant

[Massive Marc]

.

/endrant

I don't want to get to involved in this necro'd thread, but you raise one good point in the form of a question.

Where is the video footage of a "plane" hitting the Pentagon.

For me seeing a un-edit video from start to finish would be very very interesting.

[jilena]

My feeling is that were I personally to be planning the inside job of 9/11 I wouldn't be doing stupid shit like planting bombs and magically making planes appear to crash into buildings and blah blah. That seems fucking retarded to me.

I would simply get me a few ex-military hardcore AMURICUUNS and teach their redneck asses to fly planes and be like SMASH IT INTO THESE BUILDINGS FOR GOD AND COUNTRY SO WE CAN FORCE THE BROWN PEOPLE TO LOVE JESUS. Or fuck hire some jihadists to do it. That would be much easier imo than these elaborate stupid overly contrived plans with a million loopholes and potential chances to get caught that every conspiracy theorist seems to have.

Why spend more time and effort on the illusion of crashing planes into buildings than simply crashing the planes into the buildings? Do you think people will some how care less if the building remained standing and only half the gd people in it died? I don't get the motivation for doing such a poor job that most conspiracy theorists seem to have. *shrug*

[Juda]

Bush coolstarybra the t towers

[Juda]

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[aggresor223]

atm: 80% believe it was an inside job?


FUCKING RETARDS!

80% of you must also subscribe to the "George W. Bush is a fucking idiot" , but then in the same breath believe he planned out a massive conspiracy that involved hundreds of thousands of people all of whom continue to keep it a secret..... just so he could go to war and defend daddy's honor.

At least your shitting in a sock has already eliminated your small chance of ever getting laid so we won't have more fucking idiots in the future.


Rename this from P99 to Project Windowlicking.

Wouldn't be the first time a false flag was used to start a war =) But this mite be going to far.

[Tiggles]

I didn't read any of these posts

But the Jews caused 9/11

[soup]

If you truly believe the US government planned 9-11 and planted thermite charges or whatever the fuck in the towers and brought them down, you are a fucking idiot.

[naez]

Pearl Harbour was also completely unexpected

[naez]

Gulf of Tonkin too

[naez]

wait gulf of tonkin never even happened lolo gg vietnam

false flags never happen gusy

[wehrmacht]

If Gulk of Tonkin is why we attacked Vietnam, why have we never attacked Israel when they have staged terrorist attacks against us *MULTIPLE* times???

Lavon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

King David Hotel Bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

USS Liberty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

[wehrmacht]

Instead, we ended up with the son of Israeli IRGUN terrorists as Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel.

[naez]

It's because Israel is a creation of the Zionist elite. Look into Albert Pike's "3 world wars".


hint: we're in stage 3

[naez]

The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.

[naez]

Sorry, 1871*

[Scroll]

So... he still didn't win by a majority of the votes. Not sure what you are arguing.

Correct, steel doesn't burn. But jet fuel does, as does aluminum + rust, paint, humans, other building materials. Also, if you are going to rig a building to fall down there would be very little fire, it would be an explosion rather than a burning. A few puffs of smoke on major support areas and that would be all that is needed. So huge blasts of flame are not indicative of sabotage.

Obama is the biggest proof against 9/11 being an inside job (at least by Republicans!). If us evil conservatives could rig 9/11, why do we have a socialist prez and a compliant democratic house and senate, with the Supreme Court now 1 heartbeat away from a wacked out liberal majority.

Quoted for emphasis...

[wehrmacht]

The president of Italy already blew the whistle on 9/11:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_solved118.html

[naez]

war on terr = war on freedom = tyranny

[SwordNboard]

The WTC could have burned all year long and the steel would've stayed standing.

..but somehow, it collapsed in a day. From burning at the top..

Mmmkay.

[eqravenprince]

The WTC could have burned all year long and the steel would've stayed standing.

..but somehow, it collapsed in a day. From burning at the top..

Mmmkay.

Easier for metal to bend and buckle when warmed. The combination of the burning steel, the broken steel from the plane crashing through it, and the weight of the floors above caused the tower to fall. Here's your tin foil hat, you can join the rest of the conspiracy theorists.

[naez]

Depends which conspiracy theory you believe:

men in caves across the world masterminded the penetration of the largest intelligence apparatus, with the biggest budget in the history of the world, in order to blow up Larry "Pull-It" Silverstein's freshly insured building 7 along with the Easter bunny.

or whether oil blood money make them neocon killers ride cold

[Theldios]

The WTC could have burned all year long and the steel would've stayed standing.

..but somehow, it collapsed in a day. From burning at the top..

Mmmkay.

[Professor of Structural Engineering at the University of Newcastle, John Knapton] told BBC News Online: "The world trade centre was designed to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707, but that was unusual... we are trying to discover why they [ the towers ] collapsed and what needs doing to rebuild them."

"The buildings survived the impact and the explosion but not the fire, and that is the problem."

"The 35 tonnes of aviation fuel will have melted the steel... all that can be done is to place fire resistant material around the steel and delay the collapse by keeping the steel cool for longer


CLAIM: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800º to 1500ºF, not hot enough to melt steel (2750ºF). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

[dernsaw]

Looks like I'm playing Project 1999 with at least 81 retards.

[Hoggen]

Why is this F-ing crap being ressurected? Can't you at least argue over whether or not Obama is a citizen? Donald Trump wants to know.

[naez]

Barry Soetoro, very likely born in Kenya, became and Indonesian citizen to attend elementary school. So regardless of his actual birthplace, relinquishing his American citizenship for Indonesia makes him unqualified to be POTUS.

Next.

[naez]

The amount of evidence proving 911 was an inside job is so staggering that I'm surprised there hasn't been public lynchings over it yet.

However, I have found most people are exactly what the Illuminati thinks they are-- dumb, stupid sheep incapable of an original thought. Tis why commercials are 30 seconds after all.

[soup]

Depends which conspiracy theory you believe:

men in caves across the world masterminded the penetration of the largest intelligence apparatus, with the biggest budget in the history of the world, in order to blow up Larry "Pull-It" Silverstein's freshly insured building 7 along with the Easter bunny.

or whether oil blood money make them neocon killers ride cold

"masterminded the penetration of the largest intelligence apparatus, with the biggest budget in the history of the world"

you mean, put a couple Habeebs on a couple planes that will be in the same area at about the same time and then have them take control of the planes?

It's not like they fucking infiltrated the ranks of the US government. They fucking bought tickets to get on airplanes and then got on said airplanes.

[naez]

Well if you want to go down this road, we'll do so.

Four of the hijackers were trained to fly at the Pensacola Naval Air Station, a US military base.

CIA asset Tim Osman's family builds the military bases in Saudi Arabia (of which the Bush family has close ties to the royal family) and sits on the board of Iridium Satellite. His ties to CIA operations go back to the Mujahadeen war when the Soviets fought Afghanistan. He was the perfect bogeyman that white America would be susceptible to.

I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States.

[naez]

http://dutchpatriot.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/brzezinski_bin_laden_aka_tim_osman.gif?w=720

[soup]

Well if you want to go down this road, we'll do so.

Four of the hijackers were trained to fly at the Pensacola Naval Air Station, a US military base.

CIA asset Tim Osman's family builds the military bases in Saudi Arabia (of which the Bush family has close ties to the royal family) and sits on the board of Iridium Satellite. His ties to CIA operations go back to the Mujahadeen war when the Soviets fought Afghanistan. He was the perfect bogeyman that white America would be susceptible to.

Let me get this straight. In your mind, these things are evidence that the US government planned the 9-11 attacks and planted charges in the towers and whatever the fuck else?

rofl

[soup]

The WTC could have burned all year long and the steel would've stayed standing.

..but somehow, it collapsed in a day. From burning at the top..

Mmmkay.

Not so subtle "I don't know shit about physics" post

[toxic8]

Naez It is almost useless, preaching to sheep being led to slaughter.

To the rest of you idiots, don't worry, the government will take care of everything.

[soup]

Naez It is almost useless, preaching to sheep being led to slaughter.

To the rest of you idiots, don't worry, the government will take care of everything.

"You don't think the US government orchestrated the most elaborate and destructive conspiracy ever, therefore you are a sheep!"

Fucking idiots, lol

I find it especially ironic how you refer to other people as sheep when you're the one sucking up conspiracy website gibberish. I'm sure you don't know shit about physics or engineering, yet you will happily swallow what some nutjob on a website tells you at face value. Might want to take a look in the mirror before touting on about how people who don't buy into your ridiculous ideas are sheep.

Not even sure why I'm typing this though. Nothing in the world would ever convince you it wasn't some extremely elaborate government conspiracy.

[soup]

Also, if you truly do believe the US government planned some massive plot to knock down the Twin Towers and kill thousands of Americans for whatever insane purpose you think it serves I sure as fuck hope you aren't living in the US. If you believe the US government did that and then you would still choose to live here you're even more retarded than you are for believing that in the first place.

"Hurrr, hay guys, I think my government is happy to kill it's own citizens and cause extreme amounts of damage to it's own cities just to go to war, but I still choose to live here, LOL!"

[soup]

Much of what we would call "the government", is not evil. The post office man may be on a powertrip but he isn't the world's most dangerous tyrant. I would mainly refer to the elite/establishment when saying the government.

Right, and if you think those people have the power, motivation, and willingness to kill citizens of the country they control and cause massive amounts of damage to it's cities but still choose to live in that country I'd say you're fucking insane.

If I believed that crap I sure as shit would be getting the fuck out.

[SwordNboard]

Easier for metal to bend and buckle when warmed. The combination of the burning steel, the broken steel from the plane crashing through it, and the weight of the floors above caused the tower to fall. Here's your tin foil hat, you can join the rest of the conspiracy theorists.

..because the planes crashed into the bottom of the buildings..

[soup]

..because the planes crashed into the bottom of the buildings..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

[soup]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid

[Crover_CT99]

"You don't think the US government orchestrated the most elaborate and destructive conspiracy ever, therefore you are a sheep!"

Fucking idiots, lol

I find it especially ironic how you refer to other people as sheep when you're the one sucking up conspiracy website gibberish. I'm sure you don't know shit about physics or engineering, yet you will happily swallow what some nutjob on a website tells you at face value. Might want to take a look in the mirror before touting on about how people who don't buy into your ridiculous ideas are sheep.

Not even sure why I'm typing this though. Nothing in the world would ever convince you it wasn't some extremely elaborate government conspiracy.

Very true. I grew up in Austin and followed Alex Jones since he was merely ranting on public access, but Jesus Christ do those who hang on his every word (and link) treat him as the unfailing gospel.

That being said, I find the other side just as annoying. It would be nice if all you assholes would admit you don't have the foggiest clue beyond what random opinion your ego has latched on to.

[SwordNboard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

The fire at the top of the building made the steel at the bottom hot and malleable?

I don't think steel is THAT conductive. Besides, why didn't the tower just fall over instead of in on itself.

FYI, I never claimed it was an inside/outside job so shove that tin foil hat up your ass.

[SwordNboard]

I'm cool because I take neither side and sit in the shades of gray talking shit about said sides. Therefore, I am immune to judgments and biases on a not-good-but-not-quite-evil-Quai-Gon-Jin leetness that cannot be trolled due to my extreme, unstoppable "intelligence" and disposition.

[soup]

The fire at the top of the building made the steel at the bottom hot and malleable?

I don't think steel is THAT conductive. Besides, why didn't the tower just fall over instead of in on itself.

FYI, I never claimed it was an inside/outside job so shove that tin foil hat up your ass.

A 767 can hold well over 20,000 gallons of fuel. If you have 20,000 gallons of fuel on top of a skyscraper what would you expect gravity to cause that fuel to do?

And yes, heat will spread through metal like that fairly quickly. You don't think it would take days for the heat to spread pretty thoroughly through the structure, do you?

As far as why it fell down and not sideways, that's pretty simple. Gravity pulls down, not sideways. Why would you expect the building to to topple over sideways when gravity is pulling the weakened structure down, not sideways?

[Ruinous]

A 767 can hold well over 20,000 gallons of fuel. If you have 20,000 gallons of fuel on top of a skyscraper what would you expect gravity to cause that fuel to do?

And yes, heat will spread through metal like that fairly quickly. You don't think it would take days for the heat to spread pretty thoroughly through the structure, do you?

As far as why it fell down and not sideways, that's pretty simple. Gravity pulls down, not sideways. Why would you expect the building to to topple over sideways when gravity is pulling the weakened structure down, not sideways?

Fuck. Shit ass fuck!!! Fuck you and your fucking viewpoints! It's completely inconceivable that an opinion other than my own, derived from the mainstream media and supported by my own grossly expanding ego, could hold any sort of credibility. It's fucking bullshit man, omg, take your meds, put on your tinfoil hat, hide in your nuclear shelter and stfu.

^ That's about the sum of what I've seen of your responses to the differing viewpoints here. You're demanding scientific facts yet offer none to support your own arguments other than broad generalizations. Links to wikipedia do not count, so before you post wikipedia.com/CIRCLES_ARE_ROUND_OMFG - fuck yourself.

I'm not saying that I support a theory of the US government bringing down the towers, but is it that incomprehensible for you to imagine? Really? You're being called a sheep because that's exactly what you sound like. Jumping off the handle at anyone that doesn't support the majority viewpoint. Lashing out with offensive language and insults whilst offering no real substance to the conversation.

Yes, we understand fully that it's inconceivable for you to think that the government might not always be looking out for our best interests and that the rest of us need to "shut the fuck up" because we're conspiracy theorist-reading idiots. Duly noted, sir. I believe you can take a deep breath now.

[soup]

Fuck. Shit ass fuck!!! Fuck you and your fucking viewpoints! It's completely inconceivable that an opinion other than my own, derived from the mainstream media and supported by my own grossly expanding ego, could hold any sort of credibility. It's fucking bullshit man, omg, take your meds, put on your tinfoil hat, hide in your nuclear shelter and stfu.

^ That's about the sum of what I've seen of your responses to the differing viewpoints here. You're demanding scientific facts yet offer none to support your own arguments other than broad generalizations. Links to wikipedia do not count, so before you post wikipedia.com/CIRCLES_ARE_ROUND_OMFG - fuck yourself.

I'm not saying that I support a theory of the US government bringing down the towers, but is it that incomprehensible for you to imagine? Really? You're being called a sheep because that's exactly what you sound like. Jumping off the handle at anyone that doesn't support the majority viewpoint. Lashing out with offensive language and insults whilst offering no real substance to the conversation.

Yes, we understand fully that it's inconceivable for you to think that the government might not always be looking out for our best interests and that the rest of us need to "shut the fuck up" because we're conspiracy theorist-reading idiots. Duly noted, sir. I believe you can take a deep breath now.
That's a nice rant and all, but you might want to consider working on your reading comprehension. I don't think people are retarded for not buying the official story 100%, I think people are retarded for thinking elements within the government planted charges in the towers and orchestrated the most elaborate conspiracy of all time. There's a pretty big difference there. If you think that there was intelligence suggesting an attack that was ignored, that's one thing. If you think the government trained pilots to take control of planes so they could fly into the towers prior to charges that were planted there being detonated so that the government would have an excuse to go to war, you're a fucking idiot.

So to reiterate for people such as yourself who lack reading comprehension, it's not what you DON'T believe that makes me think you* are an idiot, it's what you DO believe.

*you as in the people who buy into the full blown conspiracy nonsense, not necessarily you specifically that I am replying to

[soup]

Also, fucking LOL at the idea that since I don't think the government planted charges then I must think the government is some totally benevolent entity with only my best interests in mind.

[soup]

Also, since you guys like to mention sheep so much; how many of you would have come to the conclusion that the government planned the attack and put charges in the towers etc. without some "underground" figurehead telling you what they think happened? lolol