Plea to GMs: Make everything FFA again.

[Detoxx]

Please bring back the classic experience in this game. Class R has decided to blow up their rotation and the spirit behind this whole reform of raid rules was to allow everyone to see content that didn't want to go full on neckbeard. BDA and Taken are clearly ready to take their shot at everything outside of VP, so why do we need to keep these insane rules in effect?

Its FFA in C, FFA in FFA, and FFA in R. Why are we still dealing with these ridiculous raid rules. Keep 2 of em in: No more than 2 people past zone when a mob spawns and no camping at raid targets.

This atrocity can go on no longer!

[Juevento]

loses mobs to IB on his TMO toons
now loses mobs to Taken/BDA on his Asgard toons

cries to GMs for rule changes

[Man0warr]

Pretty sure that's what the GMs wanted, which is why it was outlined as such. They never endorsed the rotation.

[Tenlaar]

Please bring back the classic experience in this game.

My classic experience involved rotations and people treating each other with respect and courtesy.

GMs, please bring back the classic experience in this game.

[Detoxx]

loses mobs to IB on his TMO toons
now loses mobs to Taken/BDA on his Asgard toons

cries to GMs for rule changes

Its more about how you guys avoid competition and are just picking on the lil guys. Come step it up bros.

[Tankdan]

Velious will solve this

for about 4 weeks

[Troubled]

We're less than 2 actual weeks into the intended system since the change over a year ago. Down, Fido.

[Bazia]

Only a wipe would save this server

Should be PoP or LoY at this point lol

[Swish]

Class R did become the "protect Chest and pals from TMO/IB" tier.

True FFA would get them attempting harder targets with their unused VP keys. Would be good for the real top end of raiding and inspire a more competitive raid scene.

[Llodd]

lame troll attempt; put some effort into it.

[ArumTP]

Why would detoxx be loosing anything on his non-exsistant asgard toons. If he wants to fool around and help us, he just plain shows up as is. He wouldn't need shit from us, as his own guild would be able to gear him much better.

Broken record is broken. BDA has been shitting on asgard since day one, it gets very old. There is no conspiracy. BDA more likely has more TMO guys than asgard ever would. Anyone remember when BDA had to dismantle to shake out all the TMO toons?

I agree on removing this tier crap, it is FFA everywhere Taken and BDA have gotten too fat on the R class loots, they use sheer numbers to squish smaller R guilds. Someone needs to smack a bitch.

[Kushie]

Why would detoxx be loosing anything on his non-exsistant asgard toons. If he wants to fool around and help us, he just plain shows up as is. He wouldn't need shit from us, as his own guild would be able to gear him much better.

Broken record is broken. BDA has been shitting on asgard since day one, it gets very old. There is no conspiracy. BDA more likely has more TMO guys than asgard ever would. Anyone remember when BDA had to dismantle to shake out all the TMO toons?

I agree on removing this tier crap, it is FFA everywhere Taken and BDA have gotten too fat on the R class loots, they use sheer numbers to squish smaller R guilds. Someone needs to smack a bitch.

Sounds like you didn't enjoy watching BDA kill VS tonight. My experiences with <Asgard> have been generally negative, ranging from failed attempt to steal king camp in seb to raging on random noobs in mistmoore. I also had to downgrade to an Insignia Protector because of your guild. Fuck you guys.

[Fanguru]

Poor TMO losing the pixel war in Class C. If this is so hard and you are so eager to compete with BDA/Taken, you could ask to join Class R :)

[ArumTP]

Literally the second raid the guild asgard ever done in its existence, we have a scrappy team of maybe 20 people tops in our guild at this time, your guild has been fucking with us. I distinctly remember us being up in hate doing our thing getting gear, your guild ports up a complete disregard for what we were doing in the zone and starts pulling mobs through our camp in maestro room. Your guild said that we could stay around and have your rot loot if we wanted to.

That is the kind of fucking respect we have always gotten from BDA.

I remember the era that TMO got like 95% of everything worth killing. Impact on me minimal. I had more fucking problems with Flawless Victory deliberately shitting up everything asgard as doing at the time.

What does it matter if the person killing the mob is TMO or BDA or Taken. Being shit upon is still being shit upon. It's long overdue for BDA and Taken to move up and remove this farce that only seems to protect BDA and Taken

[Whirled]

My classic experience involved rotations and people treating each other with respect and courtesy.
GMs, please bring back the classic experience in this game.

^Well said, as did mine.
....but you need everyone on board to make a proper change. Obviously. there is no 100% flawless system.... but if it worked well in the past, then why (perhaps with tweaks for this particular instance) could it not work now?
I hope none will fight tooth & nail till the bitter end for a chance to have an imaginary hero look good instead of working politely & respectfully with other human being players. Here's hoping for the best! (whatever that may be,lol)

[Absolution]

Yeah please make FFA cause actually TMO has big issue & needs lot of pixels to feed all their little zergs.

[Absolution]

loses mobs to IB on his TMO toons
now loses mobs to Taken/BDA on his Asgard toons

cries to GMs for rule changes

Oh my god, I just read the truth on this post !

Back to your nest Detoxx.

[Troubled]

Taken and BDA have gotten too fat on the R class loots, they use sheer numbers to squish smaller R guilds.

You have brain damage.

[Fanguru]

Actually, everything FFA with 5 weeks lockout would work.
No more complicated rules, just no lockout in VP.
This would also work in Velious: no lockout in ST, everything else 5 weeks lockout.

The Class R and C playstyle would never collide. Current class R guilds would not go after targets unless the neckbeards were on lockout.
If TMO and IB still insist on ripping each other's throat they could even share a lockout.

No more trying to *promote* guilds from R to C, transition is natural.

The server would be civilized, no more 1 or 2 guilds monopolizing the content.

You could even remove the lockout on a target if it has been up for 6 hours, to make sure no mob stays up for a week or more.

Good times!

[MaksimMazor]

Velious will solve this

for about 4 weeks

Only weeks away!

[Absolution]

Only weeks away!

Before TMO disband ? lol

[MaksimMazor]

Before TMO disband ? lol

Velious duh

[Absolution]

Velious duh

I know, was teasing you :D

[Cecily]

Only weeks away!

Not months.

[Man0warr]

That is the kind of fucking respect we have always gotten from BDA.

I remember the era that TMO got like 95% of everything worth killing. Impact on me minimal. I had more fucking problems with Flawless Victory deliberately shitting up everything asgard as doing at the time.

What does it matter if the person killing the mob is TMO or BDA or Taken. Being shit upon is still being shit upon. It's long overdue for BDA and Taken to move up and remove this farce that only seems to protect BDA and Taken

You are taking what Juevento posts in RnF waaaaay too seriously. He will say whatever he thinks will incite a large post like this.

Actually, everything FFA with 5 weeks lockout would work.
No more complicated rules, just no lockout in VP.
This would also work in Velious: no lockout in ST, everything else 5 weeks lockout.

This would just mean the 5 best guilds get most of the loot, which is exactly how it is right now in Class C + Class R.

Actually this might be a good idea for TMO, then they can't get dominated by IB.

[Fael]

We're less than 2 actual weeks into the intended system since the change over a year ago. Down, Fido.

Ya, I dont think the raid change was ever intended to cause a rotation. The rotation happened because BDA's desire for loot is eclipsed only by its desire to play the Martyr.

[Fael]

Ya, I dont think the raid change was ever intended to cause a rotation. The rotation happened because BDA's desire for loot is eclipsed only by its desire to play the Martyr. Apparently even that gets old faster than 15 year old pixels

[RIP The Jacka]

Please bring back the classic experience in this game. Class R has decided to blow up their rotation and the spirit behind this whole reform of raid rules was to allow everyone to see content that didn't want to go full on neckbeard. BDA and Taken are clearly ready to take their shot at everything outside of VP, so why do we need to keep these insane rules in effect?

Its FFA in C, FFA in FFA, and FFA in R. Why are we still dealing with these ridiculous raid rules. Keep 2 of em in: No more than 2 people past zone when a mob spawns and no camping at raid targets.

This atrocity can go on no longer!

http://images.clipartpanda.com/red-crayon-clipart-xTgKRrnTA.png

[Tuljin]

Wal*Mart

[Raev]

5 best guilds.

Class R FFA kills: Talendor 6AM ET, CT 11AM ET, VS 1AM ET, Trakanon 130AM ET, Innorruk 2AM ET

I thought about adding something snappy here, but really the timestamps tell the story.

[Formshifter]

just fucking merge red and blue and keep red rules.


win/win. players dont have to stand in the carebear line, and GMs dont have to scurry around dealing with petitions because people can just kill each other to solve disputes the way nature intended.

[Formshifter]

OR.. implement guild wars and require any raid guild mobilizing to initiate a guild war with every other raid guild going for that target. that way noobs arent getting ganked by twinks, but raid targets go to those who can beat the rest of the competition.

[Tuljin]

There have been so many suggestions that make sense, but things really don't have to make sense on a free-to-play box where the GMs are very sick of the childlike behavior of the guilds/players and very likely tweaking spawn times to play God and spite us (can't really blame them)

Batphones - not classic
Vent - not classic
5 level 60 alts parked all over Norrath - not classic
16 hour spawn variance with completely ludicrous FTE protocol - not classic
Guild websites with elaborate DKP calculation - not classic

Multiple server repops per week - Classic

Having the whole server race for any mob they want multiple times a week makes a little too much sense, so instead we have to resort to Chestquest

[Man0warr]

Class R FFA kills: Talendor 6AM ET, CT 11AM ET, VS 1AM ET, Trakanon 130AM ET, Innorruk 2AM ET

I thought about adding something snappy here, but really the timestamps tell the story.

How about I reword it to "5 guilds who kill mobs whenever they spawn", it wasn't some declaration of skill.

Newsflash, very little in EQ takes skill.

[Formshifter]

Chestquest

http://new4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Ofcourse+their+car+is+broken+_b18e75564ab19b4195d6 8e73afb8eca9.jpg

[RIP The Jacka]

http://cdn.wonderfulengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/red-wallpaper-21.jpg

[arsenalpow]

ChestQuest. Please, tell me more.

[Tameth]

just fucking merge red and blue and keep red rules.


win/win. players dont have to stand in the carebear line, and GMs dont have to scurry around dealing with petitions because people can just kill each other to solve disputes the way nature intended.

And forum shitters can meet IRL for amateur MMA bouts and post video on YouTube!

[Ravager]

just fucking merge red and blue and keep red rules.


win/win. players dont have to stand in the carebear line, and GMs dont have to scurry around dealing with petitions because people can just kill each other to solve disputes the way nature intended.

Merging would be pointless since 90% of blue doesn't want to play red and the 10% who do are already in Holo. It'd save them more work just shutting down blue altogether. But then red players wouldn't have anywhere to go to recruit new players. So, pretty much lose/lose.

[RIP The Jacka]

Mad

[Juevento]

Don't forget that every raiding guild on blue would annihilate Holo in PvP and PvE. I don't think a server merge would go well for those guys at all.

Now you wanna talk about standing in line for welfare pixels. On red, the one raiding guild knows exactly when a mob spawns and since there is no competition whatsoever, they show up at whatever time and crank that loot vending machine.

[Formshifter]

Merging would be pointless since 90% of blue doesn't want to play red and the 10% who do are already in Holo. It'd save them more work just shutting down blue altogether. But then red players wouldn't have anywhere to go to recruit new players. So, pretty much lose/lose.

so try option 2. figure out how to make raid situations PVP while the rest of blue stays pve

[Argh]

I doubt raid rule changes are either necessary or likely.

It helps if R guilds show up to contest mobs instead of just hoping for some sort of staff intervention/solution. I just watched Taken get an uncontested Sev kill at noon in the last hour of his(her?) window.

Killing a dragon that requires like 10 people at noon on a wednesday is hardly neckbeard status.

Grats Taken on some free green scales.

[Tuljin]

ChestQuest. Please, tell me more.

The raid classes were formed to stop the multi-year monopoly of one guild of all raid content by poopsocking every single target during the duration of every single spawn window and rapidly mobilizing a zerg force to take it down.

The raid class establishment caused the near complete dissolution of TMO - leadership was booed off the server by peons wielding torches and pitchforks and have yet to return (likely all playing anonymous alts right now) Much of TMO went to IB - in fact when IB came back to P99 around April 2013 they kicked it off with a nice little "tribute" to TMO in the form of a clandestine late-night item swap in the jungles of Trakanon's Teeth.

Class C and Class R are formed in the beginning of 2014 - Class C has sole access to VP (all those old TMO VP keys worked out real nice for IB - so really TMO and TMO have sole access to VP)

Class R gets the other mobs on a restricted basis that eventually becomes rotational. Many guilds the size of TMO and IB do not join class C because they do not have VP keys and they do not have level 60 toons.

These terms were agreed upon after thousands of manhours of nerd diplomacy.

Chestquest brings us right back to the very problem we tried to solve in the first place, except now you don't even need an army of level 60 toons or access to VP.

Just bitch and moan that you're entitled to more mobs because your guild is bigger (i.e. will recruit any odd nub off the street and have 0 expectations of them to reach level 60 or have any remote idea of how to play EQ) In the process, you completely throw away the hours of negotiation in which ~all~ guilds were involved.

You also bring the server back to where it was before the start of the raid classes. That's okay though, because your competition has been removed at this point. Instead you want to "compete" with guilds that never had any expectation of having to "compete" in the first place. The only reason they were formed is because of the raid class system.

Chestquest - the game where you run a guild like Wal*Mart

[Man0warr]

Noon?? Only neckbeards play outside the hours of 5pm-10pm.

[BurgyK]

Get a job, nerds!

[Ravager]

Everyone should just admit that EQ sucks and find something else to do. Problem solved.

[Cecily]

Everyone should just admit that EQ sucks and find something else to do. Problem solved.

[Whirled]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWqMa0PwPbU
but...I've gotten better at Pixel (201)

[Raev]

Newsflash, very little in EQ takes skill.

I agree, your version of EQ with preformed poopsocking groups vs 32k HP targets where the guards have been killed by other guilds . . . yeah that takes near 0 skill.

[Man0warr]

I agree, your version of EQ with preformed poopsocking groups vs 32k HP targets where the guards have been killed by other guilds . . . yeah that takes near 0 skill.

I didn't poopsock for one second on either raid mob we killed last night. All I had to do was get buffed and log out my character at the zone in and wait for someone on vent to say log in while I tooled around on an alt or played Hearthstone.

Mobilization doesn't need to take an hour.

[Tierael]

.

Just bitch and moan that you're entitled to more mobs because your guild is bigger (i.e. will recruit any odd nub off the street and have 0 expectations of them to reach level 60 or have any remote idea of how to play EQ)

I actually spit my drink out when I read this. A) That is just about the most incorrect thing I've read yet on RnF in over 2 years. B) Let's wait until the next CT pop, and watch Gimpatron's "remote" idea of how to play.

Or I could just spoil it for you. *CT pop* EVERYONE ZONE IN NOW, FUCK THE KITE, DON'T LET BDA GET FTE.

Times like those that I'm glad I can at least help rez the poor souls you lead into what you call a raid.

[sulious]

Everyone should just admit that EQ sucks and find something else to do. Problem solved.

This

[Troubled]

BDA and Taken are getting 1/9th of the mobs on the server. Clearly it's time for a change!

[Kushie]

1/9th? NO WAY! I WANT MY PIXELS TOO

[kaev]

BDA and Taken are getting 1/9th of the mobs on the server. Clearly it's time for a change!

BDA & Taken killing mobs, TMO no longer getting VP rots they can sell to A-Team for plat to RMT, A-Team may even have gotten an epic or two!?! ... OMG! The apocalypse is nigh!

[Lojik]

Everyone deserves an equal shot at merbs, some guilds just deserve a more equal shot.

But seriously, my classic experience was 1 or 2 years of classic eq, so mission accomplished in terms of reliving that. How many times can you guys watch reruns of the same damn thing and enjoy it?

[Portasaurus]

But seriously, my classic experience was 1 or 2 years of classic eq, so mission accomplished in terms of reliving that. How many times can you guys watch reruns of the same damn thing and enjoy it?

I've seen every* episode of TNG at least 30 times at this point, but I'll be damned if there is ever anything better to watch on the tube.

I almost have every line in "Cause and Effect" memorized completely. Some day, I aspire to do one-man live stage show of The best ones.

*discounting "Shades of Grey" and "Sub Rosa"

[Tiggles]

BDA & Taken killing mobs, TMO no longer getting VP rots they can sell to A-Team for plat to RMT, A-Team may even have gotten an epic or two!?! ... OMG! The apocalypse is nigh!


Actually I think we are still selling things to A-Team they will always be our best customers.

I did loot and delete 3 spiroc wingblades on my mage the other day because some taken warrior was sitting on the island looking for an Epic piece.

It's the little things we do to try and remember the good old days.

[Anichek]

Everyone deserves an equal shot at merbs, some guilds just deserve a more equal shot.

But seriously, my classic experience was 1 or 2 years of classic eq, so mission accomplished in terms of reliving that. How many times can you guys watch reruns of the same damn thing and enjoy it?

Depends. I can watch reruns of Kobe Tai all day long and don't get bored.

http://www.discountadultshopping.com/kobetai/_wp_generated/ppb5efc3c9.png

[Estolcles]

Depends. I can watch reruns of Kobe Tai all day long and don't get bored.

http://www.discountadultshopping.com/kobetai/_wp_generated/ppb5efc3c9.png

Nice.

[Jfertal]

I doubt raid rule changes are either necessary or likely.

It helps if R guilds show up to contest mobs instead of just hoping for some sort of staff intervention/solution. I just watched Taken get an uncontested Sev kill at noon in the last hour of his(her?) window.

Killing a dragon that requires like 10 people at noon on a wednesday is hardly neckbeard status.

Grats Taken on some free green scales.

10 players to kill sev? Is this the same group of 10 A team that you would take over the 25 BDA?

Those 10 players who bought all their gear? the only kills you have gotten outside of sky was because of server rotation.

[kaev]

10 players to kill sev? Is this the same group of 10 A team that you would take over the 25 BDA?

Those 10 players who bought all their gear? the only kills you have gotten outside of sky was because of server rotation.

Ooooooo, shots fired! Oh wait, this is RNF... blanks fired?

[Mendo]

10 players to kill sev? Is this the same group of 10 A team that you would take over the 25 BDA?

Those 10 players who bought all their gear? the only kills you have gotten outside of sky was because of server rotation.

Did anyone get kills before the Class R/C thing went down?

Zerg guilds going to Zerg. It seems to me now that class "R" is for Zerg with no skill and class "C" is Zerg with skill.

[Argh]

10 players to kill sev? Is this the same group of 10 A team that you would take over the 25 BDA?

Those 10 players who bought all their gear? the only kills you have gotten outside of sky was because of server rotation.

1. If you can't kill Sev with 10 people you fucking blow at this game.

2. You're confusing me with someone else.

3. My comment was largely supporting your side of the issue.

4. Go fuck yourself.

[Anichek]

1. If you can't kill Sev with 10 people you fucking blow at this game.

2. You're confusing me with someone else.

3. My comment was largely supporting your side of the issue.

4. Go fuck yourself.

Needs .gif of Arghface flipping the bird.

[Raev]

Zerg guilds going to Zerg. It seems to me now that class "R" is for Zerg with no skill and class "C" is Zerg with skill.

Yep.

[Troubled]

Yep.

What does that make you?

[Raev]

You know, I stared at your post for a solid 15 seconds before I realized you truly thought that was some sort of witty zinger, and not a demonstration of your inability to understand context in the English language.

[Jfertal]

1. If you can't kill Sev with 10 people you fucking blow at this game.

2. You're confusing me with someone else.

3. My comment was largely supporting your side of the issue.

4. Go fuck yourself.

1. Pick your 10 for sev. I will bet mass platinums you whipe.

2. Maybe i am confusing you with someone else, but i really dislike your posts.

3. My side of the issue? I have no issue. Fuck rotations and every guild apart of them. I didnt ask for your cheerlrading support nor would i ever want it.

4. Eat a dick

[Argh]

4. Eat a dick

Didn't punctuate. Game over.

[Troubled]

You know, I stared at your post for a solid 15 seconds before I realized you truly thought that was some sort of witty zinger, and not a demonstration of your inability to understand context in the English language.

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/smushface.jpg

[Tameth]

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/smushface.jpg

Life's dad.

[Jfertal]

Didn't punctuate. Game over.

I fucking suck at RnF.

[Absolution]

well fatty, you are actually wrong about sev. any random guild could field 10 players to kill sev, even doljinolrlindumbs.

an actual challenge might be 10 to kill trakanon or gore. sounds like the next arena event....
INC TANGENT:

2 group challenge, how many dragons can your two groups kill in an hour starting from easiest to hardest.

naggy/ragefire/vox/nexona/drushk/hoshkar

rules: 1 hour timer starts

you can then start buffing

30 seconds later naggy spawns on the pad

your guild can call for the next dragon to spawn anytime you want with a designated shout.

the only clickies allowed would be jboots, shrunken goblin skull earring, amulet of necropotence, guise, ect for clicky trash buffs; no other clickies that affect gameplay in any other way would be allowed.

custom titles for winners - "the dragon slayer" or whatever

Do yourself a favor, stop Meth.

[zanderklocke]

Hey Arum,

Sorry for Flawless Victory's behavior.

I was a member who was not pleased with how the interactions between guilds worked out.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

You know, I stared at your post for a solid 15 seconds before I realized you truly thought that was some sort of witty zinger, and not a demonstration of your inability to understand context in the English language.

rofl me too man. what the fuck.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

loses mobs to IB on his TMO toons
now loses mobs to Taken/BDA on his Asgard toons

cries to GMs for rule changes

Since TMO tried to peel like half our members a few months back there is very little filial sentiment on Asgard's side. They spent 2 weeks sending tells like, "Asgard's about to fold man, we have 2 or 3 of your officers joining us soon, get your app in now" to a bunch of our members. This is both pathetic and explains a lot of how they end up with a bad reputation. Not exactly selective, just getting whoever they can get to jump ship. All they ended up with was a wizard that I can remember. Think there is a reason people left and formed another guild maybe?

[Juevento]

Dude. Whoever Pint is in your guild (leader or officer). That guy has a TMO toon. This is a fact. It's been strongly implied that Detoxx is an Asgard officer.

I dunno why you guys keep denying that Asgard is TMO's class R guild. It's pretty obvious.

[ClownGuild]

Dude. Whoever Pint is in your guild (leader or officer). That guy has a TMO toon. This is a fact. It's been strongly implied that Detoxx is an Asgard officer.

I dunno why you guys keep denying that Asgard is TMO's class R guild. It's pretty obvious.

Except they aren't. It's pretty funny that you guys continue to believe this.

[Troubled]

You know, I stared at your post for a solid 15 seconds before I realized you truly thought that was some sort of witty zinger, and not a demonstration of your inability to understand context in the English language.

I mean, if you can't beat a zerg with no skill in pve, what are you?

[Kushie]

Asgard is really shitty, with or without being a TMO alt guild.


http://i.giphy.com/JlRyspL6UqVAQ.gif

[thieros]

Rudith, im level 40 on red, where do i pick up my epic and donals bp?

[Raev]

I mean, if you can't beat a zerg with no skill in pve, what are you?

Sleeping.

[Juevento]

Except they aren't. It's pretty funny that you guys continue to believe this.

Believe has nothing to do with it. I am just presenting facts and drawing a logical conclusion.

[Troubled]

Rudith, im level 40 on red, where do i pick up my epic and donals bp?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164414

[ClownGuild]

I find it funny that this TMO member has to make up a throw away account, call it "clownguild" to back up his plays in RNF...pathetic motherfuckers

Damn. Your conspiracies even extend to individual posters now. Try to leave the basement sometime.

[ClownGuild]

Believe has nothing to do with it. I am just presenting facts and drawing a logical conclusion.

Ah the famous Anthrax logic has seeped into you all!

[Troubled]

Sleeping.

So other guilds should be enlisted to help you get sleep loot.

[thieros]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164414

i dont meet the requirements

Not a total dick in Teamspeak

[Absolution]

TMO always needs to have a satellite guild (asgard atm), so they can replace TMO members or app who left (cause joining a zerg guild who lost almost all targets is useless) and pump slowly asgard members (some are tmo lootwhore alt).

TMO did the same in the past with another guild..

[rictus204]

damn TMO, where's my VP loots?!

[Calabee]

Velious 2016... the dream never ends?

[Pint]

damn TMO, where's my VP loots?!

on my alts obviously

[Nuktari]

Asgard is really shitty, with or without being a TMO alt guild.


http://i.giphy.com/JlRyspL6UqVAQ.gif

http://media3.giphy.com/media/aeJavALHIzHhK/200.gif

[Detoxx]

ITT:
Bda talks shit while avoiding real competition and shitting on the little guys.
IB troll (some irrelevant euro judging by english (deathproof?)) talks shit
Anthrax has an idea that sucks, gets called out and tries to turn it on me like the BDA coward he is
Accusations fly of Asgard being TMO alt guild because I help them when needed (clearly WERE the ones gaming the system)
Argh didnt post an awesome gif yet

[Detoxx]

Oh yea Juevento is still irrelevant

[Susvain2]

on my alts obviously

hey pint

[rictus204]

on my alts obviously

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/raining_david_tennant_nosedrip.gif

[Juevento]

Oh yea Juevento is still irrelevant

Thanks for letting me know I'm not a big shot in elf sim.

[TMO so immersed]

Plea to Detoxx: Please get off the computer, I'm worried about your health

[quido]

Thanks for letting me know I'm not a big shot in elf sim.

He really believes BDA would win a real guild PvP fight though

[Briscoe]

BDA & Taken killing mobs, TMO no longer getting VP rots they can sell to A-Team for plat to RMT, A-Team may even have gotten an epic or two!?! ... OMG! The apocalypse is nigh!

The irony here is that I, a current A-Teamer, helped you get your epic thanks to some clutch porting and succoring to get us FTE on Lich of Miragul just minutes before who arrived? That's right, a BDA group!

[Pint]

hey pint

sup?

[Ravager]

He really believes BDA would win a real guild PvP fight though

Pretty sure BDA already has... and TMO hasn't.

[Blaza]

No Argh .gif

Thread pointless.

[Prismaticshop]

Absolution = Mikahel = Some seriously butthurt IB euro trash lol

[Sidelle]

Asgard is really shitty, with or without being a TMO alt guild.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luzhnixj5i1r41u44o1_400.gif

[Triangle]

Detoxx: this thread makes me kind of sad to be honest. I cannot even find it in me to mess with you about it.

Take some time away from the game. Hope you are well in RL, cupcake.

[chief]

great thread, bda still shitting up the server it looks like. Nothing has changed

[Detoxx]

Detoxx: this thread makes me kind of sad to be honest. I cannot even find it in me to mess with you about it.

Take some time away from the game. Hope you are well in RL, cupcake.

Is it as sad as logging in and linking your guise to everyone? naw

[ClownGuild]

Looking at guild update threads looks like TMO isn't as dead as people claimed ? Was that just wishful thinking on their part ?

[Aadill]

http://i.imgur.com/p7UuWcP.png

Almost FFA.

Who will show?

[Tongpow]

Looking at guild update threads looks like TMO isn't as dead as people claimed ? Was that just wishful thinking on their part ?

"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."

[ArumTP]

Hey Arum,

Sorry for Flawless Victory's behavior.

I was a member who was not pleased with how the interactions between guilds worked out.

Your redeemed yourself back on Eabon's open sky raids.

[quido]

Pretty sure BDA already has... and TMO hasn't.

TMO won several (it wasn't even ever close when we had our people) that preceded BDA's victory - by then most of the bluebies had lost interest in PvP

[ArumTP]

Dude. Whoever Pint is in your guild (leader or officer). That guy has a TMO toon. This is a fact. It's been strongly implied that Detoxx is an Asgard officer.

I dunno why you guys keep denying that Asgard is TMO's class R guild. It's pretty obvious.

Detoxx was a guild officer with asgard, that ended when he joined tmo. I'd like to refer that era that he was a member of as Asgard 1.0

The extent to our connections to tmo is, that about a dozen members from the asgard 1.0 days ended up into tmo. Some of those people weren't quite up to task at that pace, and bounced back into asgard. Others joined tmo never to be seen by anyone again. Those who relay made it in tmo (detoxx, butcch), made strong bonds back in the asgard 1.0 days and still feel strong loyalties to those they left behind, so sometimes they show up.

Pint doesn't have a tmo toon, he has alot of toons, but no tmo toon. Legit it might be nice to be a tmo alt guild, maybe we would get some free VP loots or some secret spawn timer intel. But we don't..and aren't

[Culkasi]

I doubt raid rule changes are either necessary or likely.

It helps if R guilds show up to contest mobs instead of just hoping for some sort of staff intervention/solution. I just watched Taken get an uncontested Sev kill at noon in the last hour of his(her?) window.

Killing a dragon that requires like 10 people at noon on a wednesday is hardly neckbeard status.

Grats Taken on some free green scales.

If competition means having to have 2 mages, 3 FTEers and 15-25 people poopsocking for 16 hrs...then correct, we don't want to compete.

[ClownGuild]

If competition means having to have 2 mages, 3 FTEers and 15-25 people poopsocking for 16 hrs...then correct, we don't want to compete.

It's almost like BDA and Taken are Class C guilds. Oppressing the smaller guilds like they claimed other guilds did when they couldn't compete with them. Except this is worse...There is a Class C and FFA for guilds that want to compete that way. Feel bad for guilds like Europa and Azure Guard.

[Mead]

Looking at guild update threads looks like TMO isn't as dead as people claimed ? Was that just wishful thinking on their part ?

They are trying pretty hard in that guild thread lol. Focusing on those PD kills

[Pint]

ITT bda officer core continues to make bda look like a friendly and inviting place for ppl who love to hang out with douche bags.

[ClownGuild]

They are trying pretty hard in that guild thread lol. Focusing on those PD kills

Uhm nope. IB killed what today ? Talendor ? I am looking at the Raid.php and it looks like CT,Vox and Talendor was the only Class C or FFA mobs today. Grats on Talendor IB!

[Mead]

Uhm nope. IB killed what today ? Talendor ? I am looking at the Raid.php and it looks like CT,Vox and Talendor was the only Class C or FFA mobs today. Grats on Talendor IB!

From an outside view it makes you guys look trashy. Especially Clark's post lol.

[arsenalpow]

They are trying pretty hard in that guild thread lol. Focusing on those PD kills

Well Hoku has his crown/robe right? No need to push PD anymore probably.





Lolz

[ClownGuild]

Well Hoku has his crown/robe right? No need to push PD anymore probably.





Lolz

I mean I'd spin it as well I guess.

"We aren't chasing the best mob in the game yo. It's an illusion that we claim to be the best while not killing the best mob. We Swear!"

HAHA who would even say "They are focusing on that PD kill count." It's the best mob in the game. If you killed nothing else you are still winning by killing PD. Literally one of the few mobs that has loot that holds up in Velious.

[Kushie]

If competition means having to have 2 mages, 3 FTEers and 15-25 people poopsocking for 16 hrs...then correct, we don't want to compete.

You want free loot with no work? A raiding alliance is in your best interests.

[ClownGuild]

You want free loot with no work? A raiding alliance is in your best interests.

Hm sounds like something Class C folks was saying to BDA and Taken when the raid changes were discussed. Interesting that you guys are now trying to force a "Play style" onto other guilds.

[Pint]

Hm sounds like something Class C folks was saying to BDA and Taken when the raid changes were discussed. Interesting that you guys are now trying to force a "Play style" onto other guilds.

The play styles argument is out the window now, the new pitch is preparing for velious.. just so long as that doesn't entail competing with the actual velious competition obviously.

[ClownGuild]

The play styles argument is out the window now, the new pitch is preparing for velious.. just so long as that doesn't entail competing with the actual velious competition obviously.

Yeah, no idea how they think they are preparing for Velious on Kunark content. At least TMO has killed all the Sleepers mobs and IB all but Yelinak on Beta. I guess they are preparing to keep Kunark content locked down!

[Culkasi]

You want free loot with no work? A raiding alliance is in your best interests.

I don't think that was what I said, but the class system was put in place in part to remove this element from our (Class R) game so its a shame to see it reintroduced.
Raiding Alliance is a great idea, but still don't change the fact that we'd need to have 25 people neckbeard for 16 hrs (400 man hours? crazy!) and that's simply not something any of us are willing to.
We have put a lot of work into raiding over the last year, but always within reason, and we've been able to assist each other when we got the spawns at 4am - reasonable amount of dedication without demanding that people give up their wife/work factions.

So grats to Taken and BDA for being able to ask that of their members - I play EQ for recreation, not as a job, and I am not going to ask any of our members to put that kind of time into it so we can roll a dice on FTE. I thought neither of the Class R guilds was willing to do that, and that was the whole reason for the class based system, but we found recently that this wasn't the case, and that is why we are now in this FFA situation where it will look like Taken and BDA are getting mobs for free - a situation they have orchestrated knowing that this was what would most likely happen.

Unfortunately as things are right now, I don't really see that changing drastically unless a new guild shows up with that kind of intent for "competition" in Class R.

[Susvain2]

ITT bda officer core continues to make bda look like a friendly and inviting place for ppl who love to hang out with douche bags.

hey pint

[Fanguru]

We have put a lot of work into raiding over the last year, but always within reason, and we've been able to assist each other when we got the spawns at 4am - reasonable amount of dedication without demanding that people give up their wife/work factions.

There would still be a rotation if the guilds assisting each other had agreed to share a spot. Is there any discussion on the fap boards to work towards that again and bring back a rotation?

[Culkasi]

There would still be a rotation if the guilds assisting each other had agreed to share a spot. Is there any discussion on the fap boards to work towards that again and bring back a rotation?

The qualifier was that the guilds would be forced to share a slot on all mobs, and at all times of the day, removing the opportunity to act individually as a guild in the parts of the day that was reasonable, and helping out each other when that was the reasonable solution.
The demand for the rotation to stay in tact was that a guild had to use the same tools to beat Gorenaire as to beat Maestro (ally on one ally on all), and most of us didn't think that was reasonable.
On top of that, there was also a tier system where consecutive terrible spawn times on the same mob (again, talking about what we want to demand from our members in terms of getting out of bed in the middle of the night) would complete remove access to not only said mob but to a whole host of mobs that was put in the same "tier". As an example you had to be able to kill CT within 60 minutes any time of the day to still have access to mobs like Sev and Fay, and you had to be able to do the same with Gorenaire to have access to VS etc.

I don't really want to argue about what is right or wrong about the proposal here, as it was already done in FAP and at length in other parts of this forum, but I think its important that everyone has a good understanding of what the proposals meant and then they can make up their own mind.
We are where we are now because a majority of the guilds didn't want to submit their members to the proposed system and the massive changes in the way we operated in the Class R environment, and when the changes couldn't be forced through, a number of guilds choose to suspend/end the rotation because in their eyes FFA was better than the current system.

I hope that is a fair representation of what happened.

Currently there are no real negotiations going on around the rotation, since the parties are to far apart in what they are willing to ask from their members (which is why we are seeing Taken getting a "free" Sev), and how they want to operate as entities both individually and in alliances.

[Man0warr]

Raiding Alliance is a great idea, but still don't change the fact that we'd need to have 25 people neckbeard for 16 hrs (400 man hours? crazy!) and that's simply not something any of us are willing to.

25 people? That's insane. Trakanon is the only mob you absolutely need more than the Cothers/FTErs on for (which is 2-4 people), and that's because you need people on to start cothing quickly if there is competition.

Obviously you need people logged out where they should be and be ready to log in either from a vent command (play alts, or some other game, or just watch netflix on your computer, whatever) or have some sort of text messaging service setup so you can batphone.

But No one but the trackers/cothers need to poopsock. I think Taken gives DKP for poopsocking but BDA definitely doesn't require it - some people may still do it and shoot the shit in vent but no one is forcing them.

[Jfertal]

Well Hoku has his crown/robe right? No need to push PD anymore probably.





Lolz

wu's fist *cough*

[arsenalpow]

wu's fist *cough*

I got my wu fists back when noble was what we could realistically grab back when we were a fledgling guild. We aren't socking nobles now because no one wants to do it.

Also, shut up nerd.

[Jfertal]

I got my wu fists back when noble was what we could realistically grab back when we were a fledgling guild. We aren't socking nobles now because no one wants to do it.

Also, shut up nerd.

i was there nerd. oh i was there

This is bullshit, we never do what i want.

[arsenalpow]

i was there nerd. oh i was there

This is bullshit, we never do what i want.

Because your ideas are bad and you should feel bad.

[BurgyK]

Taken = tmo alt guild. Never forget

[Blaza]

Seems like when the rotation was active, everyone was bitching that it just gave out free pixels to people who didn't "deserve" them. Class C called for an end to the rotation.

Now the rotation is dead (comatose?) and all the complaints seem to be that those same guilds getting shit for getting "free" pixels are now not getting the pixels they "should".

I disliked the rotation cause it wasn't fun. Not much excitement in slowly assembling a force for a mob you know you have 3 plus hours to kill.

Solutions?
Release Velious
Dismantle Class System
Turn /petition off
Let shit sort itself out naturally.

[Blaza]

Or if you wanna take a rotation to its ultra-absurd "fair" setup:

Poll active members in each guild.

Set up a rotation where each active member of a guild counts for one slot.

/random it to set order

Why should a guild of 100 people (for example) have the same allotment of free pixels as a guild of 40? They would have to split a set number of pixels among more members, meaning their pixel ratio would be less, creating an "unfair" situation.

TL;DR who gives a shit, they're kunark mobs, you've killed them dozens (hundreds?) of times, if you get a kill, great, if not, did that really ruin your life? Or your enjoyment of the game?

[Mendo]

Or if you wanna take a rotation to its ultra-absurd "fair" setup:

Poll active members in each guild.

Set up a rotation where each active member of a guild counts for one slot.

/random it to set order

Why should a guild of 100 people (for example) have the same allotment of free pixels as a guild of 40? They would have to split a set number of pixels among more members, meaning their pixel ratio would be less, creating an "unfair" situation.

TL;DR who gives a shit, they're kunark mobs, you've killed them dozens (hundreds?) of times, if you get a kill, great, if not, did that really ruin your life? Or your enjoyment of the game?

Zerg guilds going to Zerg! Like I said before, Class "R" is for the Bad Zerg guilds, Class "C" is for the skilled Zerg guilds... Pick where you belong.

Some of us don't value the zerg, but to poop sock dragons 24/7 you have to have a Zerg force or enough unemployed people to sit at the computer all day and night.

[Man0warr]

Except for your trackers/FTErs, no one needs to poopsock in Class R.

Sucks for those 2-4 people, but hopefully you rotate who does those jobs.

[Blaza]

Zerg guilds going to Zerg! Like I said before, Class "R" is for the Bad Zerg guilds, Class "C" is for the skilled Zerg guilds... Pick where you belong.

Some of us don't value the zerg, but to poop sock dragons 24/7 you have to have a Zerg force or enough unemployed people to sit at the computer all day and night.

I am sorry, I was just saying that if we are going to value each EQ person equally then larger guilds should get more mobs then smaller guilds....

Which is what seems to be happening.

The issue seems to be where the line to be fair is. Is it to be fair to all guilds or fair to all raiding players?

Honestly, I could give less than a shit. I haven't gotten a piece of loot since the 96 hour days. But I'm bored at work, lets keep it going.

[Tuljin]

The issue is is that the guilds get bigger and -less- people get loot. The loot keeps going to inner-circle players and there's a constant stream of apps and guild scrubs that come and go and never get dick for loot. Its funny because really these are the people that fill out the numbers in order to make it possible, and they are the ones being exploited.

Again, Wal*Mart

[Fanguru]

Then DKP was invented

[harnold]

I am sorry, I was just saying that if we are going to value each EQ person equally then larger guilds should get more mobs then smaller guilds....


No, it is the guilds responsibility to not invite too many members that they don't need.

[Tuljin]

Yep, about 7 years after EQ came out

[Tuljin]

Then DKP was invented

Dammit someone got in the way lol

[Mendo]

Except for your trackers/FTErs, no one needs to poopsock in Class R.

Sucks for those 2-4 people, but hopefully you rotate who does those jobs.

On the last VS attempt Asgard attempted the idea of logging in as the mob spawns. BDA had a ton of people already logged in ready to go as soon as someone yelled into their mic. By the time we were logged in and ran over VS had been engaged.

So the idea of not having to poop sock against a Zerg guild is absurd.

[Man0warr]

The loot keeps going to inner-circle players and there's a constant stream of apps and guild scrubs that come and go and never get dick for loot.

Prove it.

[Kekephee]

The issue is is that the guilds get bigger and -less- people get loot. The loot keeps going to inner-circle players and there's a constant stream of apps and guild scrubs that come and go and never get dick for loot. Its funny because really these are the people that fill out the numbers in order to make it possible, and they are the ones being exploited.

Again, Wal*Mart


Is this supposed to be about BDA? Because it's not accurate at all and in fact it's really funny that someone who's not in our guild is speaking so authoritatively on what it's like to be in our guild and is so far from being correct.

I can tell you the one, single, solitary piece of loot each of our officers has gotten (if any) in the last two years, because it's that easy to keep track of because it's so rare that one of our officers still has an upgrade that they need to make (it's almost always one of the big epic pieces- Inny eye, bard guts, etc.) Chest hasn't gotten a single thing that I can think of. Alts get rots. There is no "inner circle" unless you're talking about "people who raid the most" and yes, as a matter of fact, people who raid the most do get more loot for a while, because they earned it, and then they plateau and don't get any loot for a long fucking time because they don't need it.

[Tuljin]

Its not BDA in particular - the whole problem with the idea behind poopsocking and zerging is the trajectory - pretty soon its just gonna be one big guild again at this rate. Either that or like Red where its just 2 guilds just because they have to roll deep for self defended. Either way its fucking stupid.

[Tuljin]

Self defense * fucking autocorrect

[Kagey]

I wonder when velious comes out if 20-25 people will still be called a Zerg guild.. On live months and months after velious zerg was 60+, I was in one of them.

[Blaza]

No, it is the guilds responsibility to not invite too many members that they don't need.

The it would also be a guild's responsibility to invite enough members to engage a mob under race circumstances?

[Tuljin]

I would say 10% of server pop at any given time is a "zerg" guild - this magic number 20-25 keeps coming up somehow

[Kekephee]

The it would also be a guild's responsibility to invite enough members to engage a mob under race circumstances?

[Man0warr]

On the last VS attempt Asgard attempted the idea of logging in as the mob spawns. BDA had a ton of people already logged in ready to go as soon as someone yelled into their mic. By the time we were logged in and ran over VS had been engaged.

So the idea of not having to poop sock against a Zerg guild is absurd.

BDA had maybe 10 people logged in at KC (about the same number as the Asgard loitering there, actually) when VS popped. After pop was announced through vent/text, the others logged in.

The number of people logged in was meaningless though, because the trackers/FTErs we had were more prepared then Asgard's. BDA could have had just their 2 trackers and 2 FTErs logged in and still won when Asgard is just tracking with an FD shadowknight.

[Blaza]

Long story short, as long as mobs have 32k hitpoints fights are gonna be short. And stupid.

Tougher mobs - longer encounters - more resources tied up in that encounter - more mobs for everyone.

[Tuljin]

Believe whatever propaganda you want - at the end of the day a year-long arrangement was hijacked and derailed by a few manbabies kicking and screaming. The new guilds of R were created without even having an expectation of poopsock. They were never designed to "compete"

[Blaza]

The issue is is that the guilds get bigger and -less- people get loot. The loot keeps going to inner-circle players and there's a constant stream of apps and guild scrubs that come and go and never get dick for loot. Its funny because really these are the people that fill out the numbers in order to make it possible, and they are the ones being exploited.

Again, Wal*Mart

Odd, cause in that situation you think the loot hungry people would do all the work (tracking). I did the tracking for VS, having already got VS pants and my leafblower.

I put in the work with no expectation of pixels.

If things are as you say, then I would have let the 'scrubs' do all the work, while I just collected the rewards.

[Man0warr]

Believe whatever propaganda you want - at the end of the day a year-long arrangement was hijacked and derailed by a few manbabies kicking and screaming. The new guilds of R were created without even having an expectation of poopsock. They were never designed to "compete"

So what exactly were you going to do when Velious releases and this whole system goes away?

[Raev]

Watch BDA wipe to Klandicar

[Blaza]

Believe whatever propaganda you want - at the end of the day a year-long arrangement was hijacked and derailed by a few manbabies kicking and screaming. The new guilds of R were created without even having an expectation of poopsock. They were never designed to "compete"

Adapt or die. Darwinism.

Also, just burn the class system to the ground and see how much loot you get then competing against TMO and IB, who for reasons I don't understand still kill Fay, Maestro, and other mobs you would think they do not have a need for.

In class R, there are lockouts. Ergo, if you think BDA and Taken are just gonna zerg down any mob, muster your force for the mob when BDA and Taken are locked out.

That would be a 1/3 shot at R targets, higher than the 1/10 the rotation gave you. You could fail two times and still get a higher percentage of mobs then the rotation gave you (1/9 vs 1/10).

[Mendo]

BDA had maybe 10 people logged in at KC (about the same number as the Asgard loitering there, actually) when VS popped. After pop was announced through vent/text, the others logged in.

The number of people logged in was meaningless though, because the trackers/FTErs we had were more prepared then Asgard's. BDA could have had just their 2 trackers and 2 FTErs logged in and still won when Asgard is just tracking with an FD shadowknight.

That simply is not true. I logged in maybe 10 minutes before the pop to do a /who and I saw way more BDA than 10. Also we were not going to do a COTH race because we knew that at that time of night our members were getting tired and did not want to sit and stair at their computer screens to win a COTH race. Instead we hoped that you would COTH race it and fail. You did not, you beat the monster VS and got some sweet loots.

On a positive note Neither guild trained each other for this attempt. I was happily surprised to see that.

[Blaza]

Watch BDA wipe to Klandicar

Needs moar Velious IMO. A Team/BDA joint Velious raid?

We did have a very smooth Tormax kill (GM on hand said 'by far the smoothest so far by any guild' with a lot of boxed chars. Why everyone doesn't box at least one mage on beta confounds me. Just send in the pet, alt + tab, and go back to playing your regularly scheduled class.

[Tuljin]

Adapt or die. Darwinism.

Wal * Mart

[Tuljin]

The uber-rich Waltons

Toothless employees that don't make dick

[Tuljin]

Track all you want fine sure that's "work"

Without an army of nubs and scrubs nothing is dropping at the end of the day

Who really does the work?

[Man0warr]

That simply is not true. I logged in maybe 10 minutes before the pop to do a /who and I saw way more BDA than 10. Also we were not going to do a COTH race because we knew that at that time of night our members were getting tired and did not want to sit and stair at their computer screens to win a COTH race. Instead we hoped that you would COTH race it and fail. You did not, you beat the monster VS and got some sweet loots.

On a positive note Neither guild trained each other for this attempt. I was happily surprised to see that.

I agree, one thing that is hammered into your head during FFA stuff is not to train.

But like I said, it didn't matter how many BDA were sitting logged in for this case. Same can be said for most of the encounters in Kunark/Classic (outside of Trakanon) - as long as your guild can respond to a text message in a reasonable time. All that matters is getting the FTE, which takes only poopsock commitments of a few people.

[Blaza]

That simply is not true. I logged in maybe 10 minutes before the pop to do a /who and I saw way more BDA than 10. Also we were not going to do a COTH race because we knew that at that time of night our members were getting tired and did not want to sit and stair at their computer screens to win a COTH race. Instead we hoped that you would COTH race it and fail. You did not, you beat the monster VS and got some sweet loots.

On a positive note Neither guild trained each other for this attempt. I was happily surprised to see that.


Right? Improvements!

[Man0warr]

Without an army of nubs and scrubs nothing is dropping at the end of the day

Who really does the work?

No one in BDA feels like anyone in the guild are nubs or scrubs. There is no second class or caste of players.

Also, not sure where the idea of BDA having a zerg or army. Yes there are (were, all characters who weren't active were mostly purged recently) a lot of characters in BDA if you look at the guild database - but the majority are people who are inactive or play rarely. BDA doesn't boot people for being inactive, we have people who come back after a year of absence all the time.

On average, I'd say we have 30 people for most encounters. On sim repops we might get up to 50 because it's exciting.

[Blaza]

Track all you want fine sure that's "work"

Without an army of nubs and scrubs nothing is dropping at the end of the day

Who really does the work?

If you consider work as a unit of time/effort. Or if you consider that the tracking leads to the engage...

And no officers got loot on that VS. No 'inner-circle' did either. 4/5 drop pieces went to people I had never heard of before, so grats them.

[Nirgon]

Don't forget that every raiding guild on blue would annihilate Holo in PvP and PvE. I don't think a server merge would go well for those guys at all.

Now you wanna talk about standing in line for welfare pixels. On red, the one raiding guild knows exactly when a mob spawns and since there is no competition whatsoever, they show up at whatever time and crank that loot vending machine.

I would LOVE a blue guild copy to prove this right or wrong.

My honest vote is it'd be a better fight than some people like to admit but I see any of the blue guilds going down like dominos in pvp if it was for a week or two every time.

Over a couple months though? I could see your point after they got to adjust.

The real question is, if a blue guild was forced to copy and got stomped for a few weeks... would we or wouldn't we have them in droves on our door step jumping ship asking to join?

[Blaza]

I would LOVE a blue guild copy to prove this right or wrong.

My honest vote is it'd be a better fight than some people like to admit but I see any of the blue guilds going down like dominos in pvp if it was for a week or two every time.

Over a couple months though? I could see your point after they got to adjust.

The real question is, if a blue guild was forced to copy and got stomped for a few weeks... would we or wouldn't we have them in droves on our door step jumping ship asking to join?

Would be fun at least...

[Blaza]

Or how about a red week on Blue? Everyone is forced red for a week. Would shake things up. We do it in BDA every now and again, it mostly leads to people killing Chest nonstop.

[arsenalpow]

My motd for VS said something like "if you train the raid I will find where you live and kill you"

[Blaza]

Wal * Mart

No response on my 1/9 vs 1/10. You would still get more mobs! Just have to put in more effort.

And fuck WalMart. This country is 40 years away from being like colonial India, or a revolution. I am pro-revolution myself.

Rich getting richer, poor getting poorer, and people getting dumber.

[Mendo]

No response on my 1/9 vs 1/10. You would still get more mobs! Just have to put in more effort.

And fuck WalMart. This country is 40 years away from being like colonial India, or a revolution. I am pro-revolution myself.

Rich getting richer, poor getting poorer, and people getting dumber.

Zerg going to Zerg!

[Mendo]

My motd for VS said something like "if you train the raid I will find where you live and kill you"

You guys did well... I honestly thought a train was coming any minute watching that fight.

On a side note. Do the Shadowknight legs ever drop?

[arsenalpow]

it mostly leads to people killing Chest nonstop.
Get the fuck out of here. My only deaths during the last red week was a 5v1 gank capped with a HT and then immediately killed after being rezzed from the gank. Otherwise I dominated even without a Tstaff because everyone kept crying.

[arsenalpow]

You guys did well... I honestly thought a train was coming any minute watching that fight.

On a side note. Do the Shadowknight legs ever drop?

Shit no. My SK is wearing a pair on permanent loan from Fattyfatty.

[Ella`Ella]

I would LOVE a blue guild copy to prove this right or wrong.

My honest vote is it'd be a better fight than some people like to admit but I see any of the blue guilds going down like dominos in pvp if it was for a week or two every time.

Over a couple months though? I could see your point after they got to adjust.

The real question is, if a blue guild was forced to copy and got stomped for a few weeks... would we or wouldn't we have them in droves on our door step jumping ship asking to join?

I'm pretty sure Holo would take the crown on PvP. But, no guild across either server can out mobilize TMO and IB, especially if we worked together. VP would be cleared and we'd begone before PvP could even happen.

That said, 53 wiz LFG on Red. PST!

[Susvain2]

We gonna play this game...you guys sound dum.

pras the grandmaster.

[Nuktari]

Asgard is just tracking with an FD shadowknight.

I have a name.

[Blaza]

Get the fuck out of here. My only deaths during the last red week was a 5v1 gank capped with a HT and then immediately killed after being rezzed from the gank. Otherwise I dominated even without a Tstaff because everyone kept crying.

2 druid 1 wizzy super kill squad was murdering people.

Blaza's deaths during red week? 1.

Come at me bro.

[Kimm Bare|y]

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110920212258/smurfs/images/1/1f/Baby_Smurf_Crying.jpg

[Blaza]

I have a name.

Sup homie. See you at the next spawn. I'll always have food and drink for you.

[Blaza]

Zerg going to Zerg!

Its the circle of zerg.

[YendorLootmonkey]

No one in BDA feels like anyone in the guild are nubs or scrubs. There is no second class or caste of players.

Not true. According to Anthrax, there are three castes within BDA: 1) Players Who Are Bad At The Game, 2) Players Who Perform At Minimum Expectation, and 3) Anthrax.

[Nuktari]

Sup homie. See you at the next spawn. I'll always have food and drink for you.

http://media1.giphy.com/media/vKTSGe9WoeLC0/200.gif

This is a good guy right here. Heard the rumbles of my bottomless stomach and helped quench the thirst. #foreverfriends

http://media1.giphy.com/media/xIJLgO6rizUJi/200.gif

[Blaza]

Not true. According to Anthrax, there are three castes within BDA: 1) Players Who Are Bad At The Game, 2) Players Who Perform At Minimum Expectation, and 3) Anthrax.

You forgot (-1) Druids.

[Mendo]

I have a name.

Get back in the strip club and make daddy some money !

[Nuktari]

Get back in the strip club and make daddy some money !

http://media1.giphy.com/media/kQ5hDLDQ3nnmo/200.gif

[Argh]

I have a name.

http://i.imgur.com/StxaSry.gif

[Byel]

Anyone else notice how quiet it has been towards Divinity? Why no public outrage at them also? They are definitely the Japan of the Axis powers but still a member none the less! Meanwhile Asgard is sort of the British power at the start as the only guild attempting to fight back the evildoers of p99. Chesticles is Hitler...classic.

[BurgyK]

There it is

[Kagey]

Anyone else notice how quiet it has been towards Divinity? Why no public outrage at them also? They are definitely the Japan of the Axis powers but still a member none the less! Meanwhile Asgard is sort of the British power at the start as the only guild attempting to fight back the evildoers of p99. Chesticles is Hitler...classic.

Nah i think we are the states with canadian troops to throw on the front line.

[rictus204]

we aren't some pansy limeys, dude...

[Ciroco]

Anyone else notice how quiet it has been towards Divinity? Why no public outrage at them also?

Because Divinity is smart enough to realize that they can only hurt public opinion of them by engaging in this shitshow.

[Byel]

Right? Divinity is in the shadows just waiting for Bda and taken to accomplish said goal of dismantling all the smaller guilds and to open doors with smiles and open arms to the refuges who have enough pride to not run to Hitler and mussolini.


Well played Sir. Well played

[Juevento]

I am pretty sure in WW2, Japan > Italy.

[Tiggles]

I'm just surprised Divinity still exists.

[Formshifter]

are you jealous that your avatar has a jaw line?

[kaev]

The irony here is that I, a current A-Teamer, helped you get your epic thanks to some clutch porting and succoring to get us FTE on Lich of Miragul just minutes before who arrived? That's right, a BDA group!

Damn straight! That was truly a flawless victory. A-team's too good for me tho, I had to settle for being a nobody in a guild that kills dragons without me.

[Nuktari]

http://i.imgur.com/StxaSry.gif

:eek: <3

Thread has been blessed with Argh .gif.

Can close thread now.

[Absolution]

I am pretty sure in WW2, Japan > Italy.

My people never used suicide Fighter Aircract.

Guess you are right on this point.

[Ravager]

But, no guild across either server can out mobilize TMO and IB, especially if we worked together. VP would be cleared and we'd begone before PvP could even happen.

This would be impressive if it weren't so profoundly pathetic.

[Absolution]

*Aircraft

[Blaza]

I am pretty sure in WW2, Japan > Italy.

True.

[Anichek]

are you jealous that your avatar has a jaw line?

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131109020123/glee/images/e/ef/Becky-Oh-Snap.gif

[Formshifter]

My people never used suicide Fighter Aircract.

Guess you are right on this point.

but your people did engineer the amazing 5-speed battle tank. 1 forward gear, and 4 reverse gears for "regrouping"

[Tuljin]

Nubz n'Scrubz really is nothing personal. Also, BDA isn't the only guild that agreed to break R rotation

It really is a mantra that exists on this server for filling out guild numbers. If you just get whoever without a skill, level, or item requirement you will inevitably get nubz n'scrubz. If you wanna play the numbers game there's no way around it. We've all seen it first hand

[Byel]

Nah man. Italy was fighting men in Russia and shit. Japan took over some silly islands before being obliterated. 1 notorious bombing run which was actually very unsuccessful when you look at the carriers and fuel carriers they could have got and slowed our returned asswhooping does not overpower the fighting in europe. But back on topic..Bda and taken are assholes, I want my merbs.

[arsenalpow]

I'm just surprised Divinity still exists.

are you jealous that your avatar has a jaw line?

Goddamn. Lol.

[Juevento]

Nah man. Italy was fighting men in Russia and shit. Japan took over some silly islands before being obliterated. 1 notorious bombing run which was actually very unsuccessful when you look at the carriers and fuel carriers they could have got and slowed our returned asswhooping does not overpower the fighting in europe. But back on topic..Bda and taken are assholes, I want my merbs.

Japan had already beat the shit out of Russia prior to WW1. They didn't need to show their dominance over those dudes again.

Among those silly islands Japan took over was China...

[kaev]

Japan had already beat the shit out of Russia prior to WW1. They didn't need to show their dominance over those dudes again.

Among those silly islands Japan took over was China...

This is RnF dude, why are you wasting time with facts when you could be flaming Chest with random made up shit instead?

[Blaza]

Thread derailed.

Anti-Chest posts inc.

Did you know that Chest thinks WW 2 is a fiction created by the liberal media?

Did you know that Chest once traveled back in time to help found TMO?

[Juevento]

Chest = Unbrella.

That's why they both couldn't be on Sirkens stream at the same time. Same dude.

[bktroost]

:eek: <3

Thread has been blessed with Argh .gif.

Can close thread now.

Argh has blessed you with an Arghwork original. That better become your new sig or you shall be cursed by The Great RantsandFlameness Himself.

[captnamazing]

here's the real facts TMO created asguard for two sole reasons
number #1 is to constrict flow of epics to the Ateams. without Ateam plantium how will TMO sell RMT how will they support their moms mortgage
numba 2. is that well frankly BDA and Taken represent too much of a threat to the class-c luxury lifestyle. with bda/taken aloliance coming in and petitionquesting their way into VP pixels TMo would have to cut down on their guild meetups and holiday vacations. this simply cannot be allowed nor can they afford to lose dental for their members

kongfuzi an officer of asgaurd confessed to me that he has access to at least one TMO character yes it is shocking but I am simply bearing the facts of justice if that plus circumstnatial evidence is not enough for you to see through the lies and deceit, the web of horseshit and falsified information then you should consider the impending euthanization a gift to your dull existence

[captnamazing]

Asguard
as-guard
A-s-guard
We all know TMO's predilection towards acronyms...
A-S-Guard

A is obviously in reference to the A-team

now lets look at the mysterious s
what is a synonym for team? well.,. squad of course

a-team-guard... the truth is out there

[Nuktari]

Argh has blessed you with an Arghwork original. That better become your new sig or you shall be cursed by The Great RantsandFlameness Himself.

... it has been done.

[Byel]

Asguard
as-guard
A-s-guard
We all know TMO's predilection towards acronyms...
A-S-Guard

A is obviously in reference to the A-team

now lets look at the mysterious s
what is a synonym for team? well.,. squad of course

a-team-guard... the truth is out there

Post of the year right here..

[Mendo]

Asguard
as-guard
A-s-guard
We all know TMO's predilection towards acronyms...
A-S-Guard

A is obviously in reference to the A-team

now lets look at the mysterious s
what is a synonym for team? well.,. squad of course

a-team-guard... the truth is out there

I like it!

What happens in Naggy's lair stays in the lair! Go eat some more shrooms and right some more white boy raps!

[Formshifter]

Chest = Unbrella.

That's why they both couldn't be on Sirkens stream at the same time. Same dude.

http://i.imgur.com/sAGf69j.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/unBaC1m.gif

[Wfrench1234]

Rant level adequate but flames lacking

[Big_Japan]

back in my day u didnt link a watermarked image without getting trolld

[Formshifter]

https://cdn.photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Big-and-Ugly-Watermark.jpg

[Fazlazen]

Doesn't everyone have BIS kunark yet!?!

[Freakish]

Only on my first three toons, need a shroud for my warrior.

[Raev]

I could use a 3rd Bladestopper.

[quido]

blue lol

[zanderklocke]

I could use a 3rd Bladestopper.

What about that VP loot for yo monk!

[Raev]

Well, I could use a few crowns of rile :p

But other than that the VP stuff is overrated. The Bo Staff of Trorsmang is like 1 dps better than the Fist/SoS (although it is nice not to get vaporized when the tank spins the Hand of Veeshan) and the Staff of Null is kind of pointless now with the new resist changes. Grey boots would be sexy but in the end they are a small stat upgrade. The Robe of the Azure Sky has great stats but I've always hated the look. The Blood Orchid Katana is kinda sweet, but pretty replaceable by 100p sow potions.

Really the items I'd like most out of VP (other than the Crown of Rile, of course) would be the Feverblade and the Spear of Constriction.

[Detoxx]

Well, I could use a few crowns of rile :p

But other than that the VP stuff is overrated. The Bo Staff of Trorsmang is like 1 dps better than the Fist/SoS (although it is nice not to get vaporized when the tank spins the Hand of Veeshan) and the Staff of Null is kind of pointless now with the new resist changes. Grey boots would be sexy but in the end they are a small stat upgrade. The Robe of the Azure Sky has great stats but I've always hated the look. The Blood Orchid Katana is kinda sweet, but pretty replaceable by 100p sow potions.

Really the items I'd like most out of VP (other than the Crown of Rile, of course) would be the Feverblade and the Spear of Constriction.

Cant cast SoW pots on other people bro! Its like one of the few items in VP to transcend Kunark.

[Safon]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/kQ5hDLDQ3nnmo/200.gif

lol

[radda]

i just cant even..

[Clark]

Please bring back the classic experience in this game. Class R has decided to blow up their rotation and the spirit behind this whole reform of raid rules was to allow everyone to see content that didn't want to go full on neckbeard. BDA and Taken are clearly ready to take their shot at everything outside of VP, so why do we need to keep these insane rules in effect?

Its FFA in C, FFA in FFA, and FFA in R. Why are we still dealing with these ridiculous raid rules. Keep 2 of em in: No more than 2 people past zone when a mob spawns and no camping at raid targets.

This atrocity can go on no longer!

This.

Also please make sure Luclin is released after Velious is expended so my children can play Luclin someday in a healthy environment. There is nothing sweeter than the embrace of a Maiden's Eye.

[Byel]

I hope your children haven't been born yet or they probably won't live to see it

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Asgard is the greatest, best guild on the server. Apply today and be on the right side of the culture war.

[Susvain2]

I have atleast 4 alts in Asgard and getting loot all the time

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I just want a sow sword for Target :|