KS over FTE? The end of poopsocking?

[Hyjal]

KS over FTE? The end of poopsocking? Lets take a look.


1. Ending the javelin wars. This would end the need of having 20 people online at all hours of the night during the window of a highly contested target to FTE. Batphones would still be needed, and even a tracker or 2, but organization and mobilization would be the focal point as targets would not be claimed within seconds as they are now. Guilds would have the chance to kill targets without being forced to stay online 24 hours a day, allowing the best team to win.

2. Bringing back Kill stealing groups. Organization and mobilization being the focal point. Organizing a KS group or multiple KS groups is not an easy feat, let alone keeping them alive. This would allow targets to be "unclaimed" longer than the FTE rules currently in place permit, and allow for a more strategic version of Everquest.
A good example of this is any target in Veeshan's Peak or any highly contested world target such as Venril Sathir. When a target is in window 30 players are standing at the zone in ready to be the first to throw a javelin or be COTH'D. This is not limited to just Tier-C either. KS groups would nullify the need for excessive poopsocking or stalling tactics (ie. Severilous, Talendor, CoTHing MT/Cleric to Venril Sathir, and other stalling wars for example), and focus more on ability, organization, and strategic awareness. Not just neckbeards.

4. How many guilds could actually compete for FTE even against an alt crew of a neckbeard guild parked at fear portal waiting on dracoliche? KS groups would force guilds to use mains or park best DPS characters at particular zones for desired targets. Don't want to leave VP with your best char? Multiple mobs in window? You now have a choice to make. The way it currently stands, all top guilds have alts parked at every target. Does yours? This won't change come Velious. You do the math.

5. Join Doljonijiarnimorinar

Thoughts.

[Fianna]

Grats on taking down the rotation Hyjal. How did you manage to do it so quickly?

[Hyjal]

And apparently I can't count to 5. =P WTB edit button.

[Hyjal]

FTE without logic or fairness of course.

[Hyjal]

Maybe a little common sense in raid discussion forum didn't hurt the cause. I'd hardly say I was responsible for any of it though. Those rotation guidelines speak for themselves. I will say I told you so though =P

[Cecily]

I'd like KS for loot and trains back in VP. It's a silly idea for anything else. 6 buffed rogues would win every time it's not gore or hosh.

[Hyjal]

Any guild can have 6 rogues. How many guilds can have 50 neckbeards?

[Kekephee]

Hyjal numbering "1 2 4 5" is the greatest possible thing that could have happened in this thread and I'm so fucking happy to be here right now

[Hyjal]

VP training I can agree on, haha. I miss it...

[Cecily]

Rogues aren't created equal. Put Jacker, Gabobrik, Fundo, Cyrano, Muriol, and myself in a group and there's not a chance in hell any other 6 rogues on the server would KS us.

[Kekephee]

It's an interesting idea, but I'll give you 4 reasons why this won't work, Hyjal.

1. It still encourages zerging- numbers matter in a dps race so how does that solve the "50 neckbeards" problem?

2. It eliminates the engage, which is a pretty major skill check in a lot of fights. Especially in Velious, successful pulls are an integral part in the tactics required for a lot of the fights. Negating that further dumbs down the engages and makes the game, going back to point 1, a mindless zerg fest.

4. Related to number 2 but separate, it negates pulling classes. Why even bother having monks, shadowknights, and necros? Someone else can deal with getting the mob, someone from one of the other guilds. In fact, why even have warriors? Someone from another guild can tank it, we're just here to dps it down and get more points. It becomes a weird kind of cold war where everyone is seeing if they can get away with having 0 tanks, 0 pullers, even 0 healers because if someone else is doing those jobs, we may as well have player X play his rogue instead of his warrior, right? I'd hate to be in a raid with nothing but rogues. Gross.

[Cecily]

Or maybe we are created equal and over time we're just better than the rest of you. Something like that.

[Hyjal]

I'm happy that you're happy to be in my thread Keke. Thank you for participating. The question is, are you capable or contributing a coherent thought worth while that might actually help the server? Doubtful.

[Hyjal]

I take that statement back. You beat me to the punch, haha.

[Stormfists]

I ignored all the text when I realised Hyjal is a triple poster.

5/10 effort.
7/10 retardation.
2/10 lols.
0/10 math.

Must try harder.

[Hyjal]

Keke,

You will always need batphoners. That is just the nature of the beast, but it will cut down on the amount of people needed to be readily available (being online staring at monitor) to "race" to javelin a target. Also, high end raiding guilds are not limited to only using monks, SK's, or Necros for pulls. And numbers don't matter as much either. You only need 1 strong KS group (6 members) to pull off killing a target. It actually negates the zerg mentality....

Also, How would KS groups dumb down pulls and engages? As it stands right now, the first guild to touch the mob and kite is as long as humanely possible without GM's suspending them is the name of the game. Use Severilous for instance. People pull him all the way to Trakanon zone line. That is a 5 minute pull. How is that not already dumbed down? Stalling using CH items is also vigorously usedon Venril Sathir and other targets.

Having a properly prepared puller to not lose aggro on a pull, raid placement, and KS groups would definitely not "dumb down" anything.

[Hyjal]

Cecily, you can have them parked at every target, at every window, at all times? I doubt it.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Maybe ks if we had a raid window.

[Fanguru]

So a guild mustering a 6-people KS group could piggyback on a raid without tanking/pulling? Who gets the lockout?
1- this idea is terrible
2- pure RNF material
4- when do you get one raid target?

[Hailto]

I'd like KS for loot and trains back in VP. It's a silly idea for anything else. 6 buffed rogues would win every time it's not gore or hosh.

God do you really want to be in there for 12 hours to kill one dragon again though? KS for loots is cool but training in vp, naw.

[contemptor]

Lol at pepple attempting to respond seriously to this thread. Portasaurus is more relevant to the raid scene than Hyjal.

[Jfertal]

Cecily, you can have them parked at every target, at every window, at all times? I doubt it.

Most nerds like me and the rest of the server have 4 best in slot 60 alts. While still being able to leave our best geared main at the desired main target.

[Ravager]

Most nerds like me and the rest of the server have 4 best in slot 60 alts. While still being able to leave our best geared main at the desired main target.

Best in slot druids, paladins, rangers and shadowknights don't count for much though.

[thieros]

Most nerds like me and the rest of the server have 4 best in slot 60 alts. While still being able to leave our best geared main at the desired main target.

[Argh]

Counting to five without logic or reason.

[Nuktari]

Lol at pepple attempting to respond seriously to this thread. Portasaurus is more relevant to the raid scene than Hyjal.

http://media3.giphy.com/media/7XxRPZtG1HSAU/200.gif

[thieros]

nuktari running out of emma stone gifs. starting to not be the perfect match for convo. wipe the server clean

[Nuktari]

nuktari running out of emma stone gifs. starting to not be the perfect match for convo. wipe the server clean

http://media3.giphy.com/media/14eycVlVtBvpSg/200.gif

[ClownGuild]

All I need is 2 obvious reasons.


1. It would completely ruin Velious content when it releases.

2. No need to have a guild really if KS is the rule. I mean why form a guild of 50 people and split the loot with them when all you need is 6 rogues and a couple buffers ? Show up in resist gear and wait for a guild to pull it....Profit. Split loot among 10 people and laugh about the terrible rule.

[Aadill]

Any guild can have 6 rogues. How many guilds can have 50 neckbeards?

At least 5.

[Formshifter]

Down with pulling raid merbs. Make people engage dragons where they stand.


Want fay? The guild with the best swimmers gets it.

[Jfertal]

Best in slot druids, paladins, rangers and shadowknights don't count for much though.

Woah! You know damn well i dont play a druid..and i said 60's. My palaman and ranger isnt 60 yet!

The sk monk shaman and cleric count for something!!

[Kekephee]

Keke,

You will always need batphoners. That is just the nature of the beast, but it will cut down on the amount of people needed to be readily available (being online staring at monitor) to "race" to javelin a target. Also, high end raiding guilds are not limited to only using monks, SK's, or Necros for pulls. And numbers don't matter as much either. You only need 1 strong KS group (6 members) to pull off killing a target. It actually negates the zerg mentality....

Also, How would KS groups dumb down pulls and engages? As it stands right now, the first guild to touch the mob and kite is as long as humanely possible without GM's suspending them is the name of the game. Use Severilous for instance. People pull him all the way to Trakanon zone line. That is a 5 minute pull. How is that not already dumbed down? Stalling using CH items is also vigorously usedon Venril Sathir and other targets.

Having a properly prepared puller to not lose aggro on a pull, raid placement, and KS groups would definitely not "dumb down" anything.



Well, first I will say this: I assumed what you were talking about was a system where some sort of "raid" feature is implemented so that it's which GUILD/RAID does more damage, rather than just an individual group of 6. I'll keep discussing it in those terms because I think that's a lot more reasonable than allowing for 6-person assassin squads to just take everything they want from entire guilds.


With a raid-force KS fest, the strategy becomes "everybody rush the fuck in there and outdamage everybody else." There won't be pulling because every second you're pulling, someone else is in there dpsing and your team is losing ground.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Most nerds like me and the rest of the server have 4 best in slot 60 alts. While still being able to leave our best geared main at the desired main target.

Fatty got that crown lust.

[Swish]

Rogues aren't created equal. Put Jacker, Gabobrik, Fundo, Cyrano, Muriol, and myself in a group and there's not a chance in hell any other 6 rogues on the server would KS us.

What's your attack rating Cecily, so I might dream...

[Swish]

Down with pulling raid merbs. Make people engage dragons where they stand.


Want fay? The guild with the best swimmers gets it.

I like that :p

[Cecily]

What's your attack rating Cecily, so I might dream...

That I always forget. Avatar, bard epic, goblin clicky, vog, 255 str for max now though. Add 40 from CoP and 10 per AoB item you get in Velious.

[Cecily]

1450ish I think?

[Juevento]

Must be nice to have shamans that carry emeralds around...

[Paleman]

poopsockers in flight, afternoon delight!

[Cecily]

Must be nice to have shamans that carry emeralds around...

I mean you could buy a stack for 260p, and have avatar for 20 raids.

[Swish]

I mean you could buy a stack for 260p, and have avatar for 20 raids.

I do this, and if the shit hits the fan and I need a port without having any plat... I can pay with emeralds ;)

[Jfertal]

Basically what Cecily and swish said, espcially for my monk since i dont carry currency, a couple emeralds is good payment for ports and whores.

Its lack of raid readiness Juevento has is why BDA will crumble under dojo.

[Kekephee]

Juevento is the beginning and the beginning of all of our problems

[Hyjal]

That's actually not a bad idea Keke. Maybe designated to which "raid" does the most damage, but that would take some mechanics tweaking for sure.

Basically the idea of fixing FTE prior to Velious might prevent 50 players standing around staring at their monitors waiting for Klandicar to pop with the winner being whoever throws the first javelin...

The idea of everyone running to Faydedar for a KS would be awesome, haha. Same for many world dragon pops. You still have to get these players to their intended target ...

[bktroost]

Must be nice to have shamans that carry emeralds around...

Rogues are required to carry emeralds and give them to shamans as an offering to the God's of the Buff that empower them with their holy visage of the Avatar. Gotta take some of those MQ funds and share the lovin.

[Juevento]

A. How do you have bag space for emeralds? Between all the crap I have to carry, there simply isn't room.

B. We don't have any shamans.

C. I don't do rogue MQs. Buying epics is shameful.

[Sinder]

Want fay? The guild with the best swimmers gets it.

I read this as quickest sperm.

[Hyjal]

The more I think of Keke's idea the more I like it. The only issue I see would be guilds raiding with each other and getting them on the same DPS chart. Maybe by groups? I'm not a developer, and I'm not sure its even possible.

Certainly beats the FTE alternative of watching some lucky javelin on Klandicar run the target all the way to West Wastes Zone in...

The entire reason for this post are ideas. Keep them coming

[Ele]

A. How do you have bag space for emeralds? Between all the crap I have to carry, there simply isn't room.

What in the world are you carrying around that takes up 80 inventory spaces?

[Formshifter]

I read this as quickest sperm.

that works too. if you cant get pixels outside the welfare line, how do you expect to support a family?

[Juevento]

What in the world are you carrying around that takes up 80 inventory spaces?

70 spaces first of all since I keep an open inventory spot. I have a bag full of keys, soul fire, root nets and a mallet. 4 bags full of resist gear, other weapons and associated gear. 1 bag full of golem wands to grab agro when pulling. A bag full of essence emeralds, rubies, couple of poisons, illusion masks, etc.

The shit adds up quickly and before you know it, you have no open spots.

[Juevento]

I forgot I have some stalking probes and eyes as well.

[Jfertal]

After its all said and done i have 2 slots on reyjing... fatty is a tad bit different as far as tools

[MaksimMazor]

4 bags full of resist gear,

Lol wha?

[SyanideGas]

I can fit all my resist gear in one bag, nbd

[Juevento]

There's a comma there retard.

Resist gear is ultimately a little over 2 bags. Then I've got the Mrylokar's clicky armor, slow weapon, stun weapon, tash weapon, croaking dirk for when I want to mainhand ragebringer, and my OT hammer. I also have some + dex stuff for when I need to proc more. Also got some have in there that I guess I can bank for now.

[MaksimMazor]

Ok so not 4 bags gotcha

[chief]

so what youre saying is you have a lot of useless shit and don't have room for 20 emeralds which are useful. Gotcha

[Freakish]

I had about 4 + bags of resist gear on my rogue before resist changes, now most of it is worthless since I don't need over 255.

[CharlesBarkley]

There's a comma there retard.

Resist gear is ultimately a little over 2 bags. Then I've got the Mrylokar's clicky armor, slow weapon, stun weapon, tash weapon, croaking dirk for when I want to mainhand ragebringer, and my OT hammer. I also have some + dex stuff for when I need to proc more. Also got some have in there that I guess I can bank for now.

Maybe you could make an itemized list of everything in your inventory you fucking clown

[Formshifter]

remember when PVP was skill and not 99% how many bags of gear you lug around?

[Juevento]

Nope. People with better stuff usually had better results.

[Errakus]

I love Hyjal and Emma Stone 10/10 thread.

[Tiggles]

Maybe you could make an itemized list of everything in your inventory you fucking clown

Leave him alone.

Dude spent the first 5 years playing this game getting zero loot he didn't pay out the nose for, Now he's the equivalent of a welfare queen bragging about her 55 inch flat screen while she lives in her government subsidised housing.

Also, How you been CB?

[Fael]

Rogues aren't created equal. Put Jacker, Gabobrik, Fundo, Cyrano, Muriol, and myself in a group and there's not a chance in hell any other 6 rogues on the server would KS us.


What if a wild crazyeyes appeared?

[Juevento]

Leave him alone.

Dude spent the first 5 years playing this game getting zero loot he didn't pay out the nose for, Now he's the equivalent of a welfare queen bragging about her 55 inch flat screen while she lives in her government subsidised housing.

Also, How you been CB?

Shut the fuck up you stupid cunt.

[Lictor]

You guys need moar pixels for sure.

[Cecily]

What if a wild crazyeyes appeared?

I actually had him in my list but deleted b/c banned. He was the best for sure.

[ClownGuild]

Shut the fuck up you stupid cunt.

Careful being salty there. You don't have enough room in your inventory to carry that much salt around.

[CharlesBarkley]

Leave him alone.

Dude spent the first 5 years playing this game getting zero loot he didn't pay out the nose for, Now he's the equivalent of a welfare queen bragging about her 55 inch flat screen while she lives in her government subsidised housing.

Also, How you been CB?

Good my dude, i logged on for the first time in a year for about 3 minutes. Time well spent.

[Juevento]

Careful being salty there. You don't have enough room in your inventory to carry that much salt around.

Interestingly, I did farm up some Mtn Death Salts. So I got plenty of salt.

[Kekephee]

Leave him alone.

Dude spent the first 5 years playing this game getting zero loot he didn't pay out the nose for, Now he's the equivalent of a welfare queen bragging about her 55 inch flat screen while she lives in her government subsidised housing.

Also, How you been CB?



Yeah, he's the pixel welfare case. Not you, and your well-earned video game success. Face it, not everyone has the good fortune of having one GM steal accounts for you in exchange for influence and another GM letting your guild shit on everyone in exchange for living the dream of two fat monsters slapping against each other, wheezing, gasping, the glory and the rush of coming as close to a heart attack as you can together and seeing if this time you'll go too far

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Yeah, he's the pixel welfare case. Not you, and your well-earned video game success. Face it, not everyone has the good fortune of having one GM steal accounts for you in exchange for influence and another GM letting your guild shit on everyone in exchange for living the dream of two fat monsters slapping against each other, wheezing, gasping, the glory and the rush of coming as close to a heart attack as you can together and seeing if this time you'll go too far

8/10. 10/10 if eating artisanal marshmellows off her fat ass and his man boobs doe.

[Fazlazen]

I actually had him in my list but deleted b/c banned. He was the best for sure.

best rogue is Dembrance imo. Got his RSSS before you at least (at lvl 16 mind you)!

[Cecily]

Your level 16 rogue had contributed more to the guild than me at that point. Was my first VP dragon w/ TMO. I got charmed on the second one, Druushk, and murdered more TMO than FE had in months. Good times.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

best rogue is Dembrance imo. Got his RSSS before you at least (at lvl 16 mind you)!

God damn, you stole Dembrance's name too? can't you come up with your own fucking names?

[Tiggles]

Yeah, he's the pixel welfare case. Not you, and your well-earned video game success. Face it, not everyone has the good fortune of having one GM steal accounts for you in exchange for influence and another GM letting your guild shit on everyone

And that's just the tip of the iceburg buddy. Remember that.

[Formshifter]

And that's just because I've got nice titties buddy. Remember that.

[chief]

class r shouldnt be able to talk on the forums, they have destroyed my classic eq experience. All mobs FFA