25% Gratuity plus Tax - Seriously?

[FatMice]

Fuck cash only restaurants trying to scam me (party of 13) by automatically applying 25% gratuity as a line item included on the bill which was then taxed.

Yes, they added up all our food and drink, added 25% tip to that, and then taxed that sum.

Got it fixed.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Cool story bro, needs more pixels

[Kimm Bare|y]

poor alert

[FatMice]

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/woman-paying-money-bill-smiling-women-cash-euro-supermarket-checkout-44368690.jpg

[Cecily]

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/woman-paying-money-bill-smiling-women-cash-euro-supermarket-checkout-44368690.jpg

Haha those thousand yard stares in the back.

[Lune]

the only people I tip are my hairstylists and then only if they use my head as a boobrest

[Nuktari]

If it was my restaurant, I would've charged you and your party, 50% tip + tax.
What a cry baby bitch. Should've stayed at home with your microwavable pizza.

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[Swish]

Tips get taxed?

Thanks Obama

[myriverse]

Fuck cash only restaurants trying to scam me (party of 13) by automatically applying 25% gratuity as a line item included on the bill which was then taxed.

Yes, they added up all our food and drink, added 25% tip to that, and then taxed that sum.

Got it fixed.
Eh. I always tip based on the grand total of the bill (after tax).

An extra few bucks doesn't make enough difference to concern over.

[Formshifter]

Did you have a good hannukah, OP?

[Tenlaar]

Eh. I always tip based on the grand total of the bill (after tax).

An extra few bucks doesn't make enough difference to concern over.

Fuck that!

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[eqholmes]

Oregon doesn't have a sales tax. ��

[Formshifter]

Oregon doesn't have a sales tax. ��

is income tax higher than other places?

[Formshifter]

Tips get taxed?

Thanks Merikan capitalism


FTFY

[eqholmes]

Property taxes are high, but housing is still a fraction of the price of California. Hence why so many Californians come retire in Oregon, and our bud.

[Troubled]

Generally, servers don't give a shit and half the time they don't even bring out your food, especially in a 13 top. I don't see why the generally accepted gratuity went up from 15% to 20% in the first place, and now 25% on that bill. The cost of the food keeps going up, so they get more anyway. When will it end? When the tip is as much as the food bill? I understand them putting it on the bill, however.

[Formshifter]

Generally, servers don't give a shit and half the time they don't even bring out your food, especially in a 13 top. I don't see why the generally accepted gratuity went up from 15% to 20% in the first place, and now 25% on that bill. The cost of the food keeps going up, so they get more anyway. When will it end? When the tip is as much as the food bill? I understand them putting it on the bill, however.

Because servers get paid WAY less than minimum wage, but it really jut comes down to companies and the government being greedy.

[Glenzig]

Generally, servers don't give a shit and half the time they don't even bring out your food, especially in a 13 top. I don't see why the generally accepted gratuity went up from 15% to 20% in the first place, and now 25% on that bill. The cost of the food keeps going up, so they get more anyway. When will it end? When the tip is as much as the food bill? I understand them putting it on the bill, however.

Be a man. Cook your own food.

[Troubled]

Be a man. Cook your own food.

The cooks deserve the tip more, IMO.

[Burrito]

Imagine if restaurants just paid their employees a normal salary and nobody had to tip anymore.

[Formshifter]

Be a man. Cook your own food.

[katrik]

Why the hell are you complaining about tipping..? Go to a Mcdonalds if you don't like it. Poor ass *****.

[Erydan Ouragan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k

[Pringles]

#firstworldproblems

[MrSparkle001]

Imagine if restaurants just paid their employees a normal salary and nobody had to tip anymore.

You'd spend $50 on a small steak dinner then and nobody would go out to eat.

[Formshifter]

You'd spend $50 on a small steak dinner then and nobody would go out to eat.

Commoners would, but those rich and dumb enough to pay hundreds for a 6 course meal consisting of about 8 bites of food would.

[Formshifter]

commoners wouldnt* dammit

[myriverse]

Generally, servers don't give a shit and half the time they don't even bring out your food, especially in a 13 top. I don't see why the generally accepted gratuity went up from 15% to 20% in the first place, and now 25% on that bill. The cost of the food keeps going up, so they get more anyway. When will it end? When the tip is as much as the food bill? I understand them putting it on the bill, however.
Unless you're getting your own food, servers are bringing it out. Servers are not just waiters.

And they very likely split the tip between them.

[myriverse]

Imagine if restaurants just paid their employees a normal salary and nobody had to tip anymore.
Now you're talking Socialism.

[GinnasP99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4sbYy0WdGQ

[Formshifter]

love that movie

[Bodybagger]

Now you're talking Socialism.

No, socialism is us supporting the wait staff that the big companies refuse to pay honest wages to... just like the way our taxes subsidize incomes for min wage employees at companies who post billions in profit every year.... :rolleyes:
We as the consumer pay their wages so corporate greed can exist in absurd amounts because the top 1% are disgusting greedy fucks and trickle down economoics simply do not work, but poor people are too stupid to understand any of it, and rich people are too rich to stop.

[Errakus]

So, servers at most restaurants "tip out" between 4 and 6% of the bill. If you leave them nothing they literally owe money on top of whatever shitty tips they received.

Everyone should have to be a server for 3 months in their life, then you'd bitch less.

I do think the OP complaining about the automatic charge of 25% is correct. In some states they have to have it posted on the menu ahead of time and usually it's capped at like 18%...

[TheBlackSheep]

I've always tipped 20% Now, I have to make sure they're not already charging gratuity, so I don't end up tipping 40% or something crazy.

[Errakus]

I've always tipped 20% Now, I have to make sure they're not already charging gratuity, so I don't end up tipping 40% or something crazy.

Yea, I hate places that do that but its common if you have more than 4 people for them to charge like 18% automatically. I'm assuming this was a nicer place (hopefully) charging 25% lol.

[TheBlackSheep]

Yea, I hate places that do that but its common if you have more than 4 people for them to charge like 18% automatically. I'm assuming this was a nicer place (hopefully) charging 25% lol.

One thing I've noticed is that places that do this, generally have a happier and more responsive wait staff. For obvious reasons, I suppose.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

It's getting pretty absurd now. 25% is a lot. If I take my wife out to a restaurant here in canada with $30 entrees you're looking at over $100 easily with an appetizer, dessert + 1 alcoholic drink.

I feel like the only two compelling arguments made to the increasing tip scale are that the servers make minimum wage (provincial here) and they have to deal with shitty customer. The latter of the two means in subsidizing someone else's right to be a fuckhead!!

Fair wage
iPad easy-to-use pos systems
Nominal OPTIONAL tip amount for better service

[FatMice]

Did you have a good hannukah, OP?

Haha! You made me laugh out loud. But yes, My Chanuhak was delightful. You should try potato latkes. So delicious!

[Errakus]

It's getting pretty absurd now. 25% is a lot. If I take my wife out to a restaurant here in canada with $30 entrees you're looking at over $100 easily with an appetizer, dessert + 1 alcoholic drink.

I feel like the only two compelling arguments made to the increasing tip scale are that the servers make minimum wage (provincial here) and they have to deal with shitty customer. The latter of the two means in subsidizing someone else's right to be a fuckhead!!

Fair wage
iPad easy-to-use pos systems
Nominal OPTIONAL tip amount for better service

US :(
Server wage in IL = Like $2.50 an hour
Regular wage like $10 an hour

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

US :(
Server wage in IL = Like $2.50 an hour
Regular wage like $10 an hour

Sounds like a great system.


Pay the people who handle your food 50% of what you'd pay a babysitter/hour in 1996.

[Errakus]

Sounds like a great system.


Pay the people who handle your food 50% of what you'd pay a babysitter/hour in 1996.

Hey, I don't work in the industry anymore, but some servers make more money than I do. (All depends on where you work) It's also cashed and untaxed as long as it's not on a credit card.

[Tenlaar]

Honestly, I would let loose some harsh words and refuse to pay a 25% gratuity added on to my bill if I wasn't informed of it before hand. Adding an extra quarter of the bill back on top so that the business doesn't have to pay their employees a normal wage? Fuck that noise. Fuck it right in it's stupid bullshit ear.

[Jontheripper]

A stripper will take off her clothes and grind on me for $1. Unfortunately for waitresses, this set the bar exceptionally high for tip-worthy service.

[Tongpow]

20% for 8+ when i waited tables, made my day when retards questioned it and/or when people didn't even notice and tipped me on top of the grat. didn't have to split with kitchen or other waiters who had to help carry out all the food

grinding 2 or 4 tops was better though, big parties always camped your 2 tables put together for a fucking hour n a half at the least

[TheBlackSheep]

20% for 8+ when i waited tables, made my day when retards questioned it and/or when people didn't even notice and tipped me on top of the grat. didn't have to split with kitchen or other waiters who had to help carry out all the food

grinding 2 or 4 tops was better though, big parties always camped your 2 tables put together for a fucking hour n a half at the least

I bet you loved big groups of Pentecostals.

[eqholmes]

Why should someone that brings me food get 20% of what I pay for my dinner. Waiters that work 4hr can make as much as me that works at a bank managing 5 other people. And its bullshit that most don't tip out the cooks/dish washers. They get 10 tables over 4 hr. There wage of 9 per hour plus the 15bucks at each table. 186 for four hours. Say they tip out 10%. Still at 160 and if in cash wooooo no taxes or reporting. Basically get a real job and don't expect the ones that do to give you their hard earned money or don't bitch when you get five bucks on a 75tab. If I got tips for dealing with dipshits that want me to reverse fees all day, shit I could afford the 25%.

[Ahldagor]

Why should someone that brings me food get 20% of what I pay for my dinner. Waiters that work 4hr can make as much as me that works at a bank managing 5 other people. And its bullshit that most don't tip out the cooks/dish washers. They get 10 tables over 4 hr. There wage of 9 per hour plus the 15bucks at each table. 186 for four hours. Say they tip out 10%. Still at 160 and if in cash wooooo no taxes or reporting. Basically get a real job and don't expect the ones that do to give you their hard earned money or don't bitch when you get five bucks on a 75tab. If I got tips for dealing with dipshits that want me to reverse fees all day, shit I could afford the 25%.

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[katrik]

Some high end waiters and waitresses take in 1k+ a week. Not bad, I say. Still hard to live comfortably on.

[Pookieson]

Its funny, ive always been a veru generous tipper because my friends have always worked in the food industry. I averaged around 25-50%, especially on low cost bills. I thought of myself as helping out people putting themselves through college, etc.

Then i moved to China.

I tried to tip here, paid my bill plus some and got up and left. The waitress/hostess literally chased me down to give me my change back. I was baffled. Tipping is not a part of their culture, they simply do not understand why you would offer more money than the price tag was. I tried to tip my delivery food driver, same deal. He was baffled as to why i would just give him more money then the price was. It just doesnt compute here.

Not to say that the service here isnt excellent. Waitresses are on point, they know there job well and they have no incentive to be good or bad, either way. Its just their job. Their job is to wait tables. Being good at it is part of the job description, not part of earning more tips.

I will tip less now when i go back. Eat dicks servers, your entitled. The people in China who refused my money make less than 600$ a month and are absolutely happy in their lives, and they bust their ass every day to pay their bills. There is no welfare in china. if you dont want to work, someone else does, and your ass will be on the street. seeing this in china made me sad for america. we have lost that hardworking spirit which helped us become such a great nation, now all these entitled fucks are ruining our country.

[FatMice]

Its funny,... ...we have lost that hardworking spirit which helped us become such a great nation, now all these entitled fucks are ruining our country.

[MEGANS LAW]

gratuity alrdy added?

thanks i dont have to do math cya nerds

[eqholmes]

Pookie is spot on and if anyone deserves a tip its the person cooking my food. People saying cook your own food your dumb. Its why someone pays 25 for a steak they can buy for 10 at the store. Always have found it dumb I have to tip the subway sandwich artist but my tellers that are 10x smarter and bust their ass at least as hard, make about the same when you count tips. Hell subway people prob make more since you know none of them claim a cent on their taxes.

[Tenlaar]

Who the fuck tips at Subway?

[FatMice]

Who the fuck tips at Subway?

Jared.

[gwideon]

we have lost that hardworking spirit which helped us become such a great nation, now all these entitled fucks are ruining our country.

Some might say it is our generosity and sense of community that have made us great. Stay in China

[quido]

Who the fuck eats at Subway?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

You'd spend $50 on a small steak dinner then and nobody would go out to eat.

The price of the food would go up 15-20% is what would happen. And the kitchen would also riot ever as the cooks finally realize that they all make 12 bucks an hour while all the servers make more than double that. One of the more wildly overpaid jobs in the world is food delivery engineer in case people were unaware. Made possible by widespread abuse of illegal immigrant workers!

[TheBlackSheep]

This begs the question. With this trend towards raising the minimum wage into the $10 an hour range that is sweeping some of the states, I assume the hourly wage for wait staff would increase as would the cost of the menu as a whole. Adding gratuity becomes an even more annoying practice that could really hurt the restaurant business.

[Formshifter]

youre assuming that people making the laws are reasonable and possess some level of logic

[TheBlackSheep]

youre assuming that people making the laws are reasonable and possess some level of logic

Well, regardless of my vote of no confidence in my own law makers, getting my steak to go is looking like more of an attractive option.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

min wage would not really apply to servers, they have a separate minimum wage due to tips. Though if claimed tips over a pay period (plus the 3.00 or whatever hourly they get) doesnt add up to minimum wage they are entitled to it (which never happens).

[TheBlackSheep]

min wage would not really apply to servers, they have a separate minimum wage due to tips. Though if claimed tips over a pay period (plus the 3.00 or whatever hourly they get) doesnt add up to minimum wage they are entitled to it (which never happens).

Good to know. But wouldn't their wage go up as well if minimum wage increased, especially if it increased drastically?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Min wage increase would make your food more expensive b/c of the back of the house, not the servers. Point is, you are paying the unskilled labor double the skilled labor because of an outdated tradition and it is inflating restaurant prices in general. The hilarious thing about it is that tipping was instituted because restaurants were abusing young single women. To support the fact that 15-20% of a restaurant's income is walking out the door (usually waaay undertaxed - servers only claim a portion of tip income generally) owners are forced to make that up by paying as little as they possibly can to the poor guys that actually make the food and do the real work. But they are brown and out of sight so who cares.

[Sororf]

Hey, I don't work in the industry anymore, but some servers make more money than I do. (All depends on where you work) It's also cashed and untaxed as long as it's not on a credit card.

you'll be expected to pay income tax on cash tips. the amount owed is calculated by figuring the % of tips received from credit sales and applying that to cash sales. though I doubt many servers actually do this.

[Errakus]

you'll be expected to pay income tax on cash tips. the amount owed is calculated by figuring the % of tips received from credit sales and applying that to cash sales. though I doubt many servers actually do this.

You're assuming most servers claim the cash tips (PS - They don't ;))

[Bardalicious]

Tipping is a rather absurd practice. Having had the unfortunate pleasure of working in the food service industry for a brief while, I can say that the majority of waitstaff make more in a single weekend than an average chef does in an entire week, unless said chef is salaried in a fairly upscale establishment.

Personally I think that the person grilling my steak and mixing my drinks is far more deserving of my gratuity than the person that spends half a minute carrying the plate from the kitchen to the table.

[Peatree]

I put myself through college waiting tables and learned quite a bit about people in general. FYI - the group policy is not "law", in fact it is usually the waiter's call to use it or not. I learned to read people and when to make use of the auto tip policy.

For example, most black people do not tip more than a few dollars regardless of the size of the bill. Neither do white trash families. I loved the auto large group tip policy when I had tables of 6 or more of these types.

They would always try to argue by getting separate checks but never win.

What would make matters worse was when they would all order water, a bunch of lemons and then use the sugar to make "lemonaide". It would really piss them off when I would charge them for it too. Water might be free, but you had lemonaide, that's a $1.25 on the menu see...( grin politely)....

[myriverse]

It's actually fairly common for waiters to get paid nothing (literally; I've seen the zeroed out pay stubs) and have to rely solely on tips to survive. Thank the restaurant special interest groups for that.

On average, waiters tend not to make any more than cooks, and the service you're getting from a restaurant comes mostly from waiters, unless you're at an upscale place.

[Tongpow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPicu7GAj28

[Destron]

Don't go out to eat if you can't afford a 20% tip. Jew rats. /thread

[Errakus]

It's actually fairly common for waiters to get paid nothing (literally; I've seen the zeroed out pay stubs) and have to rely solely on tips to survive. Thank the restaurant special interest groups for that.

On average, waiters tend not to make any more than cooks, and the service you're getting from a restaurant comes mostly from waiters, unless you're at an upscale place.

That's because of tax on the tips the server claims, the hourly is so low sometimes they will owe money to the IRS.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

It's actually fairly common for waiters to get paid nothing (literally; I've seen the zeroed out pay stubs) and have to rely solely on tips to survive. Thank the restaurant special interest groups for that.

On average, waiters tend not to make any more than cooks, and the service you're getting from a restaurant comes mostly from waiters, unless you're at an upscale place.

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