View Full Version : velious launch with no raid mobs
harnold
01-14-2015, 09:45 PM
they are threatening to release velious with no raid mobs again due to behavior from the raid guilds...again...
What i don't understand is that the raid scene on this server has been a shithole from day 1 due to the rules that the gms have put in place. You don't do a single thing to fix it and you just magically think that all raid guilds are going to hold hands and stop petitionquesting (which is only a factor in the raid scene because the gms have made it that way)
It shouldnt be a hard choice for the gms to make. Either you want everyone to hate each other and have this ultra shithole of a raid scene or you don't.
You can't promote an unfriendly and drama filled raid scene and then get angry at the players for acting in the same exact way
The GMs here act as if they are these brilliant MMO designers/thinkers (sirken and derubael) and know exactly what will fix their servers when in reality this is what single handedly caused the failure of the red server. You need to listen to the people and put away your egos for a little while.
Rivthis
01-14-2015, 09:56 PM
So this post is about the red server?
I dont get it, I thought there was no issues on red's raid scene.
Bristlebard
01-14-2015, 09:56 PM
:rolleyes:
Misto
01-14-2015, 10:47 PM
Nobody would care if they released Velious without raid content.
People would just be syked to level and run around there.
Cecily
01-14-2015, 11:03 PM
Have they been talking about no raid mob Velious recently? If so, where?
Robbintha Hood
01-14-2015, 11:08 PM
Yeah, where exactly is this coming from?
Pokesan
01-14-2015, 11:14 PM
I haven't seen this mentioned lately but I would fully support Velious being released without raid content.
Should also launch it without prior warning, poopsocking sucks
2pacalypse
01-14-2015, 11:26 PM
they are threatening to release velious with no raid mobs again due to behavior from the raid guilds...again...
Who? Link?
Also, who gives a fuck? Only faggots raid in this game.
Haynar post in the velious forum thread about giving warning before release, not hard to find, not gonna bother doing it for you
Pokesan
01-15-2015, 12:11 AM
found it
Can't tell if you are serious or not.
I am serious that I think there should be no announcement.
I also expect with the continued raid drama, the odd are in the favor of velious release without raid mobs.
I also have provided input to give it to red first. Make blue wait.
I do not affect server policy. I also waffle on opinions.
I am for a sooner release rather than later.
H
bolding mine
haynar is awesome
leewong
01-15-2015, 12:16 AM
they are threatening to release velious with no raid mobs again due to behavior from the raid guilds
Seeing the amount of disrespect the staff have taken here I dont blame them. Hell, I would have started mass banning long ago. Buncha freaking crybabies over god damn pixels.
Big_Japan
01-15-2015, 02:38 AM
Hell, I would have started mass banning long ago.
there is one very good reason why this will not happen
Cecily
01-15-2015, 02:44 AM
What raid drama is he talking about? Things have been pretty tame lately.
Susvain2
01-15-2015, 02:52 AM
Id fucking love for velious to be released with no raid content, if it was right now. why not
harnold
01-15-2015, 03:21 AM
ok i dont even raid here i just complain about it
Jontheripper
01-15-2015, 11:38 AM
Why dont they just make raid zones pvp arenas?
Rhambuk
01-15-2015, 11:47 AM
Remove all raid mobs for a few months, see if people can smarten up after that if not oh well no more raids.
It's not like raiding here is fun anyway
myriverse
01-15-2015, 01:16 PM
What raid drama is he talking about? Things have been pretty tame lately.
Pretty sure the normal drama will flare out of control once Velious hits. Whenever it hits. If it hits.
Godefroi
01-15-2015, 01:35 PM
FTE will almost be irrelevant in velious, will reduce the drama and all the rule lawyering etc.
More trains might happen, but they are sanctioned by suspensions or forfeits. Should be fine.
Pras Nilbog, let the snow hit the ground already boss!
azeth
01-15-2015, 01:40 PM
maybe just stop answering raid petitions.
people will figure it out, they always do.
maybe just stop answering raid petitions.
people will figure it out, they always do.
perma bans are the key
give people something to fear losing and they should shape up
Jontheripper
01-15-2015, 02:19 PM
The problem is the guilds are full of panseys, any and all raid disputes should be handled by single combate between the most powerful warrior of each guild.
loramin
01-15-2015, 02:20 PM
they are threatening to release velious with no raid mobs again due to behavior from the raid guilds...again...
I think it's important to take that Haynar quote in-context: it wasn't Rogean saying "this will happen", it was just Haynar expressing his personal opinion about what he thought should happen. If you've read Haynar's posts before you'd know that his opinions do not always align with the rest of the team's.
Which of course isn't to say that his opinion doesn't matter; obviously it will influence things. All I'm saying is one dev offering his personal thoughts != development team threatening to do anything.
Ziggy
01-15-2015, 02:26 PM
make all raid zones FFA pvp areas, end of problems
Jontheripper
01-15-2015, 02:40 PM
^^This, and make every raid respawn at the exact same time.
Ravager
01-15-2015, 03:00 PM
Make all raid mob spawns into camps with a PH on a spawn timer the same as the timer of the zone it's in and that PH requires a raid force to kill.
Make the % chance to the mob spawning inline so that a raid force camping the PH 24/7 has the same chance of seeing it as if it were its normal week spawn or whatever it happened to be.
Make the raid mob camps follow the same rules as ordinary camps.
Then, create a Hall of Neckbeard Fame commemorating all of the people who keep that shit locked down so that they may be properly revered in all of their pixel glory.
Rararboker
01-15-2015, 03:00 PM
Haynar, the hero this server needs.
azeth
01-15-2015, 03:25 PM
How about let whatever happens happen and completely disregard all raid disputes.
What is the headache worth? Does "resolving" raid disputes contribute to the integrity or future health of the server?
If Taken comes in and steamrolls A-Team dropping Draco - what interest does a p99 (volunteer) GM have in "resolving" this?
Players will still play.
azeth
01-15-2015, 03:25 PM
also taken and a-team are basically X and Y, just examples.
azeth
01-15-2015, 03:30 PM
Any mob that is considered a raid mob - make it legit FFA. KS is fine, ninja loot is fine...
That shit figures itself out. I'd say 75% of servers in classic had absolutely 0 raid "rules."
On Rodcet Nife if a guild was unwisely setting up in the open for a kill, you'd train the fuck out of them and jack it.
I'm reminded of a quote, "Sometimes you win... sometimes you don't" - Sinbad
loramin
01-15-2015, 03:38 PM
That shit figures itself out. I'd say 75% of servers in classic had absolutely 0 raid "rules."
Were you here during the TMO reign? That shit definitely did NOT figure itself out, even though the devs gave it years to.
azeth
01-15-2015, 03:40 PM
Were you here during the TMO reign? That shit definitely did NOT figure itself out, even though the devs gave it years to.
"that shit did NOT figure itself out"
how so? Some people got loot, some didnt.
Those who did not, didnt because they were bound by player made/GM enforced rules.
Remove the rules and you create parity. Violent, but effective parity.
azeth
01-15-2015, 03:47 PM
Really though, do you see how even that response to your reply proves that these raid rules if anything are forcing poopsocking/neckbearding?
If everything is FFA contested, now it's choice not a requirement.
loramin
01-15-2015, 03:52 PM
Remove the rules and you create parity. Violent, but effective parity.
Remove the rules and you create a single guild dominating the entire server and preventing anyone else from raiding. That's not speculation, it's P99 history.
Having no rules was great if you were in that guild, but it sucked for the people in the many other guilds who never even got to see a dragon before. Under these oh-so terrible-rules all those guilds are now happily enjoying raid content ... and that's a bad thing because?
azeth
01-15-2015, 03:55 PM
Remove the rules and you create a single guild dominating the entire server and preventing anyone else from raiding. That's not speculation, it's P99 history.
This part is my opinion piece on the subject - I disagree.
A-Team, Taken, BDA etc will likely never be able to instantly pull 30-40 ppl to go drop a mob. However, let's say we're in a anything goes FFA environment.
IB engages Statue of Rallos Zek.... and you train their ass off. Now what? Well they're dead or zoned out, so you engage. They train you, and now the tables turn.
How many train attempts does it take til again (my larger point) - people figure it the fuck out like humanity has done since the beginning of time.
azeth
01-15-2015, 03:56 PM
Now suddenly maybe IB takes 3/4 pieces and BDA takes 1/4.
/random for first pick
azeth
01-15-2015, 03:57 PM
And my even larger point - why would the staff give a remote shit about what happens to IB and BDA in that scenario.
900/1000 other players are off enjoying themselves.
Lictor
01-15-2015, 04:02 PM
The welfare warrior grown adults who dont want to share form a core of a guild, then that one guild shits on the entire server like a 3 year old child.
Why are you even attempting to argue no rules would be any different, it has already been proven.
azeth
01-15-2015, 04:03 PM
Why are you even attempting to argue no rules would be any different, it has already been proven.
proven to what? proven to work on classic EQ servers from 1999 til .... it still works to this day.
Lictor
01-15-2015, 04:07 PM
One guild shitting it up for everyone may be want you want. But, don't act like if things were run your way it would be paradise when there is years of history on p99 to look at.
azeth
01-15-2015, 04:09 PM
One guild shitting it up for everyone may be want you want. But, don't act like if things were run your way it would be paradise when there is years of history on p99 to look at.
thats the thing, man. What i'm proposing isnt supposed to make you, me or any player overly pumped.
it's just a salient point proving why our volunteer staff should NOT feel compelled to spend even a microsecond of time dealing with this.
Lictor
01-15-2015, 04:18 PM
I got ya. I would hope they don't feel compelled to act either but sadly without intervention it would probably turn into the old red99 that was largely left unchecked and became a gigantic shithole everyone avoided before staff intervention.
Big_Japan
01-15-2015, 04:24 PM
Why work on this project if you're going to be sour? Should it not be fun? Of course the raiding community sucks dick, it's 2015 and these ppl still play eq like it's a job. Let browns kill browns.
The real truth can only be that the server depends on these ppl financially and the admins have to resort to this passive aggressive behavior instead of handling or ignoring the "problem". There is literally no reason to give a fuck what these nerds are up to otherwise.
loramin
01-15-2015, 04:55 PM
The real truth can only be that the server depends on these ppl financially and the admins have to resort to this passive aggressive behavior instead of handling or ignoring the "problem". There is literally no reason to give a fuck what these nerds are up to otherwise.
Yeah, it must be because the devs are so desperate for money (even though I haven't seen even a single "please donate" thread from them). It couldn't possibly be because they are generous people who devote huge amounts of time to creating a playground for a thousand other people and they actually want those people to have fun ...
Infectious
01-15-2015, 05:40 PM
No rules is fine on a server that is progressing fast( 1 year each expansion ). Then the guild that goes hard for a year gearing up, moves to the next expansion. But when your stuck in the same expansion for 3 years and people try and neckbeard and make a career out of the raid scene, you gota make rules. Live had no rules for this reason. The top guild or guilds were an expansion ahead of the other raiding guilds.
cs616
01-15-2015, 05:45 PM
Can't believe I'm gonna say this, but I agree with Azeth. I was in FE during TMO's time on top of the server, and no rules VP was probably the most fun I've had in eq. I actually think it would open up competition since strategy would become more important (see: 23 FE vs 50+ TMO on FE's first Druushk). Don't get me wrong, TMO got the vast majority of kills, but that Druushk kill never would have happened if both guilds were using basically the exact same strategy like it is under more restrictive rules. Rules leave no room for innovation.
Also, I love how the counter to getting rid of rules is that it would lead to dominance of the server by the top guild. Basically you're saying that an increased chance at loot is more important to you than getting rid of petition quest.
Training and z-axis stuff like ledges in VP would be awesome in Kael, ToV and Sleepers. Doubt it will happen though.
As far as it being released without raid content or to red first... Whatever, we've waited like 3 years already, I have no problem playing other games until velious raiding is ready to go.
Infectious
01-15-2015, 06:06 PM
Can't believe I'm gonna say this, but I agree with Azeth. I was in FE during TMO's time on top of the server, and no rules VP was probably the most fun I've had in eq. I actually think it would open up competition since strategy would become more important (see: 23 FE vs 50+ TMO on FE's first Druushk). Don't get me wrong, TMO got the vast majority of kills, but that Druushk kill never would have happened if both guilds were using basically the exact same strategy like it is under more restrictive rules. Rules leave no room for innovation.
Also, I love how the counter to getting rid of rules is that it would lead to dominance of the server by the top guild. Basically you're saying that an increased chance at loot is more important to you than getting rid of petition quest.
Training and z-axis stuff like ledges in VP would be awesome in Kael, ToV and Sleepers. Doubt it will happen though.
As far as it being released without raid content or to red first... Whatever, we've waited like 3 years already, I have no problem playing other games until velious raiding is ready to go.
Rules pretty much help with petitions and curb rmt to be honest. I dont play blue anymore, but it is the way any economy works.
When one guild can dominate with no rules, all the people will swing to this side. Now they can pick and choose who they want and who they dont based on their playtimes.
The people not picked, have to pay a price from the competition because they cant kill these targets. The competition who has no jobs and dont work can set any price. It becomes a business.
You understand? This is why their is gold shops on all new games. Cause people cant act normal and play a fuckin game like a human.
Gustoo
01-15-2015, 06:17 PM
I heard they were goibg to make all raid zones pvp enabled so that disputes could settle themselves.
I heard they were goibg to make all raid zones pvp enabled so that disputes could settle themselves.
I'm pretty sure they have a variety of medications available nowadays to help with that problem. See your doc now before the voices start telling you to masturbate naked on a street corner at rush hour.
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