Paris Has Just Been Culturally Enriched

[Lune]

Over this:

http://i.imgur.com/kQYVC3G.jpg

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Our ancestors fought a losing war against Muslims for over a thousand years, precisely so shit like this would not happen. Islam is a religion of conquest, it always has been. 'Moderate', 'Peaceful' Muslims in the West are simply those who are too disenfranchised to enforce Sharia law and shove their rotten culture down our throats.

It's time to stop tolerating people who do not deserve to be tolerated.

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

Video of the attack (http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2015/01/video_schutters_parijs_schiete.html) (Warning, contains violent / graphic acts of Islam)

[Sidelle]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/iU8395XCj6ltC/giphy.gif

[quido]

Christianity is as much a mental defect as Islam.

Buddhism is a lot more palatable to the logical mind.

Or everyone could just acknowledge their own ignorance when it comes to the divine and feel comfortable relishing the fact that they don't actually KNOW anything.

[Portasaurus]

"My flying spaghetti monster is better than your flying spaghetti monster!" - Humans

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/98/ce/b946810ae7a0df522307a110.L.jpg

[khanable]

http://img.memerial.net/memerial.net/5445/make-fun-of-our-peaceful-religion.jpg

[2pacalypse]

and yet strong Islamic states like Iran are about the only stabilizing force in the region offsetting the consequences of our aggression. Barbarians no doubt

[Rararboker]

and yet strong Islamic states like Iran are about the only stabilizing force in the region offsetting the consequences of our aggression. Barbarians no doubt

got proof?

[bloodmuffin]

consequences of our aggression.t

Frances aggression, towards what? Their feelings?

[2pacalypse]

isis

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

As much as I have historically despised France and the French, France (as well as Germany to a lesser degree) has become the last bastion of hope against this coming tide of "cultural enrichment".

Not only does this mean that France's anti-muslim laws aren't going away any time soon, it means they might make even more. :cool:

[Patriam1066]

Christianity is as much a mental defect as Islam.

Buddhism is a lot more palatable to the logical mind.

Or everyone could just acknowledge their own ignorance when it comes to the divine and feel comfortable relishing the fact that they don't actually KNOW anything.

You should google the word deist, you'd be shocked how many "christians" and, in my case, baha'is, agree with that last sentiment. As for christians being as bad as muslims, I'm sure even Lune would agree that that is ridiculous. I don't know what part of the world you live in where you see christian violence at levels like in the islamic world, but I just honestly don't understand the comparison.

I've lived in the deep south for most of my adult life and seriously, its insulting to people living under the yolk of Islam to say that Christians are anywhere near as oppressive / evil / insert negative adjective here as Muslims.... I would NEVER leave the most conservative backwards part of America to go back to Iran. It just isn't a sane comparison, I'm sorry.


and yet strong Islamic states like Iran are about the only stabilizing force in the region offsetting the consequences of our aggression. Barbarians no doubt

Did you hear this on RussiaToday? Please purchase a helmet, if you honestly believe what you posted here, you shouldn't be walking outside without one

[Patriam1066]

Also RIP to the victims of this attack...
Can't believe how stupid some people can be, to kill another person over a joke, even if it was an offensive one

[Peatree]

http://commonsenseatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/killyou.png

[TAK]

Christians have told people to deal with it or pound sand for well over 900 years and have ravaged every continent from Asia to the Americas; Muslims are essentially doing the same thing, going into countries and forcibly changing the law structure, recruiting people into their cause, and breeding out the natives until the nation turns into a Islam nation.

So it's not exclusive to Islam, every Abraham religion does this: infiltrate, breed, kill off the natives with sweeping political reform and civil unrest. Western Civilization should recognize this, and stop giving them free passes into their countries where they pop out 14+ kids and in a few generations time will make up 50%+ of the living population of said nation (thus being the majority voting block and making law)

[katrik]

"My flying spaghetti monster is better than your flying spaghetti monster!" - Humans

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/98/ce/b946810ae7a0df522307a110.L.jpg

I have a cthulu fish. hehe

[Patriam1066]

lol whoops yoke*

[Tasslehofp99]

this isn't going to end well for muslim people living in france

[tortue ninja]

this isn't going to end well for muslim people living in france

There is a difference between those terrorist and the muslim people living in peace in France asshole. We know that in France.

[Tasslehofp99]

There is a difference between those terrorist and the muslim people living in peace in France asshole. We know that in France.

Yep, and that's why you are always going to have to wonder if one day while you're at work in the office if some psycho is going to just burst in and shoot you in the head in the name of his god. It's going to reach a point where people are going to get sick of being afraid.

[Lune]

There is a difference between those terrorist and the muslim people living in peace in France asshole. We know that in France.

Not as much as you might think. Muslim cultures tend to produce these kinds of people in droves.

[Patriam1066]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-science-and-popular-culture/

check out, in particular, chapter's 3,4, and 7

only 14% of muslims in Iraq think that women should have the right to a divorce, LOL

Holy shit

[Duckwalk]

The Phillipines have tons of Muslims, guess they didn't get the memo...

Also, last I checked the majority of people involved in mass shooting in 'Murica were disgruntled teenagers...

Damn teenagers better watch out!

[Patriam1066]

The Phillipines have tons of Muslims, guess they didn't get the memo...

Also, last I checked the majority of people involved in mass shooting in 'Murica were disgruntled teenagers...

Damn teenagers better watch out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Islamic_Liberation_Front

The Philippines have had a prolonged Islamic insurgency, you're the one who didn't get the memo

[Lune]

The Phillipines have tons of Muslims, guess they didn't get the memo...

Also, last I checked the majority of people involved in mass shooting in 'Murica were disgruntled teenagers...

Damn teenagers better watch out!

Funny you say that, the Philippines are about 11% Muslim, with many of them living in the majority-Muslim Mindanao province. It has Sharia courts and it is governed autonomously because... well, like other Muslims, they have trouble getting along.

Terrorism in the Philippines. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_Philippines) The majority of attacks after 2000 were perpetrated by Islamist groups.

[Itap]

Hurb worst person to ever post here

[Clark]

Disappointed. I thought this was going to be about Paris Hilton.

[Ennewi]

Or everyone could just acknowledge their own ignorance when it comes to the divine and feel comfortable relishing the fact that they don't actually KNOW anything.

^This but with one possible recent exception being...http://youtu.be/fj5LGQrEyEc?t=7m11s

[Lune]

'Peaceful Moderate Islam' is a myth on the level of clean coal. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg&feature=youtu.be)

[kanaar]

The journalists who were killed always fought stupidity, hate and intolerance, by means of extreme satyre.
You are insulting them by posting that hateful crap.

Get lost.

[bloodmuffin]

The journalists who were killed always fought stupidity, hate and intolerance, by means of extreme satyre.
You are insulting them by posting that hateful crap.

Get lost.

What is this in context too?

[Estolcles]

DEATH TO THE INFIDELS! CHRISTMAS SHALL BE ABOLISHED! ALL SHALL CELEBRATE KWANZAA! SHARIA LAW FOR ALL!

...

Ladies and gentlemen, help save the world, kill a Muslim today!

[Orruar]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-science-and-popular-culture/

check out, in particular, chapter's 3,4, and 7

only 14% of muslims in Iraq think that women should have the right to a divorce, LOL

Holy shit

I thought Jordan was supposed to be the "moderate" Muslims, but 82% of them think the death penalty for apostasy sounds like a good idea. Jesus Mohammed Christ these people are mentally ill.

[Orruar]

And just look at all those countries with double digit support for suicide bombing against civilians. So enlightened.

[2pacalypse]

Glad we can all agree this is solely the fault of Islam, a philosophy known to have Negroid origins.

[Misto]

The people who did the shooting must be retarded if they haven't heard of the internet.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=696&q=mohammad+prophet&oq=mohammad+prophet&gs_l=img.3..0i10l10.773.3179.0.3265.16.11.0.0.0.0. 497.1176.2j2j1j0j1.6.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.60.img..1 0.6.1162.lREhOzsAI7s#hl=en&tbm=isch&q=mohammad+prophet+cartoon

[bloodmuffin]

Another shooting in Paris reported. One Female officer dead.

[Swish]

Time for a clearout.

[Sidelle]

It's so weird to me that some of you defend murderous Islamists, who kill people under Sharia law for homosexuality or adultery, while still calling yourselves feminists and standing up for gay rights. How stupid can you be?

God help this gay muslim here.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zENuDflPejY/TEg8aZ6WsGI/AAAAAAAAEpc/lOpwtps1CmM/s400/gay-muslim.jpg

[myriverse]

What is this in context too?
Clearly, every post by Lune.

Sidelle, no one is defending those murderous bastards.

Estocles, Kwanzaa is not Muslim.

[Neno]

Back in 2005 or so there was a French guy that was in my WoW guild. Great dude and was funny as hell. As soon as the race riots started to escalate he vanished and has yet to this day ever log back in according to the guild tab. Probably killed by some bantha riding asshole.

[JurisDictum]

It's so weird to me that some of you defend murderous Islamists, who kill people under Sharia law for homosexuality or adultery, while still calling yourselves feminists and standing up for gay rights. How stupid can you be?

God help this gay muslim here.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zENuDflPejY/TEg8aZ6WsGI/AAAAAAAAEpc/lOpwtps1CmM/s400/gay-muslim.jpg

To disparage my own group a bit, a lot of liberals have a weird psudo-religious belief that all religions are good inherently. The big exception is atheist liberals. Some of you might have saw this awhile back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

Basically the anti-intellectual elements of the left (and we have them just like the right does) refuse to even honestly address this topic. They just pull a Affleck and call it bigoted (while turning slowly purple).

[Orruar]

Sidelle, no one is defending those murderous bastards.

Maybe you need to pay more attention. People (primarily leftists, but others as well) often defend Islam and say it's only a small minority that does crazy things, but entire countries have overwhelming support for things like the death penalty for being gay or being of the wrong religion. It's not some fringe minority.

[Sidelle]

They just pull a Affleck and call it bigoted (while turning slowly purple).
^^Lol yep.

And as for the people who believe that moderate muslims are just peaceable citizens -- okay, fine. Maybe some of them are to a point. Personally, I'm not buying that shit, but anyways... Let's ask their wives and daughters how great it is being muslim.

Sounds wonderful to have to suffocate underneath those goddamn veils in 120° heat as you shuffle along behind your husband like a dog on his heels. Or automatically losing custody of your children in the event of a divorce, regardless of who initiated it or why. How charming it is that you can't walk down the street without an adult male family member or you'll likely end up becoming the victim of a so-called "honor killing". And god-forbid you're raped by someone because it's your own fault, and now you're a "fornicator", which clearly means it's time to stone a bitch...

Yeah, what a fantastic religion. All peaceful and loving unless, of course, you're a woman or an infidel. These medieval motherfuckers need to evolve already, for fuck's sake. I'm getting real sick of their shit.

[Orruar]

...Or automatically losing custody of your children in the event of a divorce, regardless of who initiated it or why...

Assuming the wife isn't beheaded by the husband in the process. Like this guy (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/buffalo.beheading/), who also happened to be the founder of a TV station devoted to help "balance negative portrayals of Muslims".

[Patriam1066]

There's a very easy fix to this. If you need immigrants in the western world to offset your population declines, do two things:

1. Let in beaners. They are catholic (won't kill you), have like 85 kids (will prop up the birthrate) and most important, the worst thing they do is drink tecate and listen to shitty music on their porch for 24 hours straight. All in all, way better than Jizzlams

2. Here's a novel concept white people. Why don't you stop worshipping your career and that BMW and get married, have your own kids, and raise them with a value system (IE not to be apologist liberal white guilt pussies)

I'll be honest I used to want to defend muslims because my father, and thus half of my family are muslims. In the past year or so though, I've become tired of doing so because it's hard to defend the indefensible. But I have to ask you guys a question. If you hate muslims so much, and you should, why not, IDK, stop letting them into your countries??? Why not have your own children and enact policies to get your birthrate at or slightly above replacement? Why is it taboo to even have this debate anywhere but an Internet forum?

Anyway, I say this not to be judgmental but mainly because I don't want to get shot by arabs. I left the Middle East to get away from these fuckers, and wouldn't you know it, you Kumbaya singing hands holding mother fuckers are letting them in as fast as you can. Priorities, you owe yourselves more than you owe the world. All of us do.

TLDR: we have to move past calling out racism when immigration policy is discussed

[Cecily]

To disparage my own group a bit, a lot of liberals have a weird psudo-religious belief that all religions are good inherently. The big exception is atheist liberals. Some of you might have saw this awhile back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

They just pull a Affleck and call it bigoted (while turning slowly purple).

That was amazing haha. Thank you.

[Slax]

I would absolutely love to see Ben Affleck make another movie like 'Dogma', only this time making fun of Islam.

[Lune]

There's a very easy fix to this. If you need immigrants in the western world to offset your population declines, do two things:

1. Let in beaners. They are catholic (won't kill you), have like 85 kids (will prop up the birthrate) and most important, the worst thing they do is drink tecate and listen to shitty music on their porch for 24 hours straight. All in all, way better than Jizzlams

2. Here's a novel concept white people. Why don't you stop worshipping your career and that BMW and get married, have your own kids, and raise them with a value system (IE not to be apologist liberal white guilt pussies)

I'll be honest I used to want to defend muslims because my father, and thus half of my family are muslims. In the past year or so though, I've become tired of doing so because it's hard to defend the indefensible. But I have to ask you guys a question. If you hate muslims so much, and you should, why not, IDK, stop letting them into your countries??? Why not have your own children and enact policies to get your birthrate at or slightly above replacement? Why is it taboo to even have this debate anywhere but an Internet forum?

Anyway, I say this not to be judgmental but mainly because I don't want to get shot by arabs. I left the Middle East to get away from these fuckers, and wouldn't you know it, you Kumbaya singing hands holding mother fuckers are letting them in as fast as you can. Priorities, you owe yourselves more than you owe the world. All of us do.

TLDR: we have to move past calling out racism when immigration policy is discussed

The whole push for population growth is driven by greed, because it fuels GDP growth. Need to just tone down capitalism and let the population decline, there are way too many people on Earth anyway. Plus the West is moving toward a post-scarcity economy.... at least some parts of Europe are. US will lag way behind.

Here in the USA, the people who are in charge of whether or not immigrants are allowed in, are also in charge of, or subject to the influence of, massive corporations, lobbies, and business interests, which want the cheap labor. It has always been that way.

I'm really curious why Europe won't get it under control, their representation is more functional. I'd guess a culture of tolerance and a general sense that "If you disagree with multiculturalism you are a racist satan Hitler".

[Duckwalk]

Funny you say that, the Philippines are about 11% Muslim, with many of them living in the majority-Muslim Mindanao province. It has Sharia courts and it is governed autonomously because... well, like other Muslims, they have trouble getting along.

Terrorism in the Philippines. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_Philippines) The majority of attacks after 2000 were perpetrated by Islamist groups.

Wow, the more you know!

I always assumed there were large populations of reasonably progression Muslims else where in the world and most of the unrest in the Middle East was influenced by our determination to undermine Islamic power structure there.

[Arclyte]

There is a difference between those terrorist and the muslim people living in peace in France asshole. We know that in France.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg

[Ennewi]

Going to make the assumption that no one else here has been personally subjected to religious extremism. It's one thing to watch/read about something and get angry, but it's an entirely different beast altogether having to experience it firsthand.

It's time to stop tolerating people who do not deserve to be tolerated.

Funny/sad, that's exactly the attitude the fundamentalists had towards me. Depends on the perspective of who is and isn't deserving :\

It is odd though, when intellectuals adamantly defend groups which themselves are against the education that those intellectuals benefited from. That being said, a person can accept certain elements of a belief system while also opposing other parts of it. As with any other relationships that exist, it's complex. One example being President Nixon, who was a crook (http://www.theatlantic.com/past/unbound/graffiti/crook.htm) but a crook who also signed the Endangered Species Act. Being able to separate the good from the bad with anything is the point some are trying to make in this thread I think, otherwise it's a matter of dealing in absolutes...which is often done towards America for its part in propagating much of the same barbarity, only with different tactics, sometimes subversively, and on a larger scale.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2014408/
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/sep/18/victor-jara-pinochet-chile-rocks-backpages

Imo the burden is largely on the individual, thanks to all of the categories people identify themselves with and take offense for by association. And individuals will sometimes "sacrifice something of great value, especially life itself, for the sake of principle" and unfortunately that's what occurred recently in France -- the principle being that of expression.

For every rigid and impersonal system in place there are ways of subterfuge, including satire, to rehumanize the population as a whole and no one group excluded. It just takes time is all.

But really though, Cthulhu > Flying Spaghetti Monster

[Sidelle]

Assuming the wife isn't beheaded by the husband in the process. Like this guy (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/buffalo.beheading/), who also happened to be the founder of a TV station devoted to help "balance negative portrayals of Muslims".
Wow.. yeah, that husband sure doing a great job showing us what islam is all about. What an asshole...

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

It's so weird to me that some of you defend murderous Islamists, who kill people under Sharia law for homosexuality or adultery, while still calling yourselves feminists and standing up for gay rights. How stupid can you be?

God help this gay muslim here.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zENuDflPejY/TEg8aZ6WsGI/AAAAAAAAEpc/lOpwtps1CmM/s400/gay-muslim.jpg
That's what first-world progressive feminism is all about. Glad to see you've had a glimpse of reality, however you've merely dipped your toe into the ocean.

http://counterinception.com/sites/default/files/pictures/MatrixBluePillRedPill.jpg
Now choose.
Sidelle, no one is defending those murderous bastards.
Except every single self described "progressive" in the US, Great Britain, Sweden, Norway, and a slew of other countries. I hope you realize that part of this political correctness crap is calling anyone who wants to hold these animals accountable for their actions an "islamophobe".
To disparage my own group a bit, a lot of liberals have a weird psudo-religious belief that all religions are good inherently. The big exception is atheist liberals. Some of you might have saw this awhile back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

Basically the anti-intellectual elements of the left (and we have them just like the right does) refuse to even honestly address this topic. They just pull a Affleck and call it bigoted (while turning slowly purple).
This is unfortunately starting to change as well. The progressive left is becoming more puritanical with every protest, complaint and push. They are trying harder to insert their agenda into music/movies/books/video games more than any of the right winged Christians ever did in the 60's/70's. It's become a literal cult. (http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm)
People also really need to break out of this left/right dichotomy trap. Both sides are equally horrible for different reasons, I know you desperately want to call one the lesser of two evils but I'm sorry to say it's demonstrably not so.

The whole push for population growth is driven by greed, because it fuels GDP growth. Need to just tone down capitalism and let the population decline, there are way too many people on Earth anyway. Plus the West is moving toward a post-scarcity economy.... at least some parts of Europe are. US will lag way behind.

Here in the USA, the people who are in charge of whether or not immigrants are allowed in, are also in charge of, or subject to the influence of, massive corporations, lobbies, and business interests, which want the cheap labor. It has always been that way.

I'm really curious why Europe won't get it under control, their representation is more functional. I'd guess a culture of tolerance and a general sense that "If you disagree with multiculturalism you are a racist satan Hitler".
Europe is all sorts of fucked. Have you seen Sweden's new foreign policy administrator?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

[Big_Japan]

That's what first-world progressive feminism is all about. Glad to see you've had a glimpse of reality, however you've merely dipped your toe into the ocean.

http://counterinception.com/sites/default/files/pictures/MatrixBluePillRedPill.jpg
Now choose.

Except every single self described "progressive" in the US, Great Britain, Sweden, Norway, and a slew of other countries. I hope you realize that part of this political correctness crap is calling anyone who wants to hold these animals accountable for their actions an "islamophobe".

This is unfortunately starting to change as well. The progressive left is becoming more puritanical with every protest, complaint and push. They are trying harder to insert their agenda into music/movies/books/video games more than any of the right winged Christians ever did in the 60's/70's. It's become a literal cult. (http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm)
People also really need to break out of this left/right dichotomy trap. Both sides are equally horrible for different reasons, I know you desperately want to call one the lesser of two evils but I'm sorry to say it's demonstrably not so.


Europe is all sorts of fucked. Have you seen Sweden's new foreign policy administrator?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

cool glad ur here while 8chan is down

[BarackObooma]

One example being President Nixon, who was a crook (http://www.theatlantic.com/past/unbound/graffiti/crook.htm) but a crook who also signed the Endangered Species Act. Being able to separate the good from the bad with anything is the point some are trying to make in this thread I think, otherwise it's a matter of dealing in absolutes...which is often done towards America for its part in propagating much of the same barbarity, only with different tactics, sometimes subversively, and on a larger scale.


Not to go too much off track but I find it hilarious how many liberals make out Nixon to be such a horrible villain for wiretapping a hotel room and Obama wire taps millions of innocent people worldwide and hardly a peep.

[Danth]

Incidentally, some groups here in the U.S. live autonomously, so there's precedent for it even in this country. The Amish around here don't attend the same schools as ordinary folks, don't pay the same taxes, and resolve many of their disputes using their own internal systems. On occasion they actively oppose or stymie local law enforcement when disputes with outsiders arise. They're pacifists, though, so physical violence is almost unheard of and they've no interest in imposing their views outside their own communities.

I suppose that's one of the important distinctions between Christianity and Islam: Christianity's central figure was a small-time carpenter who preached love and forgiveness. Islam's central figure was a conquering warlord, rapist, slaver, and mass murderer. It shows.

Danth

[Jarnauga]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B62czMhCQAAmIXt.jpg

You guys are a bunch of morons.

If you guys can spot the difference between joseph kony and mother teresa, im sure you can also spot the difference between osama ben laden and malala yousafzai.

[Lune]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B62czMhCQAAmIXt.jpg

You guys are a bunch of morons.

If you guys can spot the difference between joseph kony and mother teresa, im sure you can also spot the difference between osama ben laden and malala yousafzai.

I know how badly you want to believe there's just a few wacko Muslim extremists out there, and the rest of them are like you, they believe in personal liberties, that women aren't property, and have a respect for the rule of law, objective thinking, educational attainment, and the common law tradition. But it's just not true. Even the majority of 'moderate' Muslims are members of a fucked up, retrograde culture. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg)

I'd like to emphasize it's less about the religion, and more about the culture. Muslims in the Arabic world and southeast Asia tend to have similar cultural values, which they kept when they immigrated to the West.

If Muslims give their religion the Christian treatment (which is to just start ignoring all the fucked up things in the old testament and following only what is compatible with our progressive culture), I would have far less problems with Islam.

European culture is literally the best thing to happen to the human race to date. I'm tired of regressive scumbags trying to shit on it.

[Ahldagor]

Trey Parker and Matt Stone haven't worried about shit since http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=964201&stc=1&d=1272351007 aired years ago. No hullabaloo was made with http://cabalamuse.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/south-park-super-best-friends-depiction-of-muhammad.jpg. Islamists use their religion to justify their political ends much like crusader christians, and this culture war isn't going away until the Middle East is secularized.

[Patriam1066]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B62czMhCQAAmIXt.jpg

You guys are a bunch of morons.

If you guys can spot the difference between joseph kony and mother teresa, im sure you can also spot the difference between osama ben laden and malala yousafzai.

Proof of him being a Muslim?

Also, I like how you bring up Christianity, and as much as I love defending Christians, I was unaware that Charlie Hebdo was christian. I thought it was a leftist magazine that satirized Jews, Catholics, Muslims, and everything in society that it disagreed with. Funny how only Muslims got so offended that they had to resort to violence. Also, it's funny that you bring up Malala. Remind me, who was it that attacked her, for the great sin of TRYING TO BE EDUCATED AS A FEMALE? I mean holy shit. How do people defend this.

[Patriam1066]

Islamists use their religion to justify their political ends much like crusader christians, and this culture war isn't going away until the Middle East is secularized.

What does secularization of the middle east have to do with France? France doesn't have an indigenous Muslim population, it's the result of immigration. Those people have no inherent right to trample on French / European culture, they're only there because of idiots allowing them in.

What crusader Christians are doing this in the present day? Furthermore, what part of the Charlie Hebdo attack had anything to do with Christianity? I was under the impression that atheists were mocking Muhammad and got killed for it, I had no idea Christianity had anything to do with this.

[katrik]

Idk about you guys, but I'm getting really tired of defending moderate and 'normal' muslims. This shit is in the news every day.

[Slax]

A 'Radical' Muslim wants to cut your head off. A 'Moderate' Muslim wants a Radical Muslim to cut your head off.

[Lojik]

Can you imagine the brutality that would of ensued had the cartoon satirized the great lord Cazic Thule?

[Herp]

A 'Radical' Muslim wants to cut your head off. A 'Moderate' Muslim wants a Radical Muslim to cut your head off.

This^^

The 'moderate' won't admit to that though.

Also, 'moderate' muslims still overwhelmingly believe in some fucked up shit. Watch that piece by bill mahar on Muslim polling throughout the world. They still believe in death penalty for cheating and things like that

[Itap]

A 'Radical' Muslim wants to cut your head off. A 'Moderate' Muslim wants a Radical Muslim to cut your head off.

This guy is a fuckin genius. Pras

[Doors]

Yeah I'm not buying it. Islam is just inherently violent. Every religion has their pros and cons but Islam is so far off the charts in terms of oppressing women and violence that it's getting scary. I'm not sure how anyone can still defend this religion.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

If you guys can spot the difference between joseph kony and mother teresa, im sure you can also spot the difference between osama ben laden and malala yousafzai.

http://i.imgur.com/p7HFVkt.gif
Well Mother Theresa was a fucking terrible person so one's a monster on the outside and the other one is a monster in private?

[Slax]

"My flying spaghetti monster is better than your flying spaghetti monster!" - Humans

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/98/ce/b946810ae7a0df522307a110.L.jpg

Mocking God is punishable by death in Muslim countries. So I think it's safe to say, especially for your sake, that the "flying spaghetti monster" that the majority worship in Western culture is better than the "flying spaghetti monster" in Muslim countries.

[robisatsea]

Is it really such a far stretch of the imagination to consider the possibility that people imagine themselves as much more than they truly are? If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck but calls itself a penguin what is it really? Stop absorbing and start questioning. Everything.

[robisatsea]

Because I can already hear the wind whistling through someone's ears.

What's more dangerous? A T Rex sized wolf that eats everything in sight or a T Rex sized wolf that eats everything in sight that looks like a harmless lamb?

[Big_Japan]

What's more dangerous? A T Rex sized wolf that eats everything in sight or a T Rex sized wolf that eats everything in sight that looks like a harmless lamb?

i choose C.) the Jew who taught you to think this way

[Swish]

https://americanelephant.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/505x386xarabia-then-and-now-copy-pagespeed-ic-8ayeocefs.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/drsanity/iran4.jpg

[Ahldagor]

What does secularization of the middle east have to do with France? France doesn't have an indigenous Muslim population, it's the result of immigration. Those people have no inherent right to trample on French / European culture, they're only there because of idiots allowing them in.

What crusader Christians are doing this in the present day? Furthermore, what part of the Charlie Hebdo attack had anything to do with Christianity? I was under the impression that atheists were mocking Muhammad and got killed for it, I had no idea Christianity had anything to do with this.

You really don't know how to read and have little understanding of history. The great political move in the second half of the twentieth century was and has been to modernize the middle east. It's not a pretty birth, and there will be more blood shed. So, now do you cowards want a war?

[Peatree]

A 'Radical' Muslim wants to cut your head off. A 'Moderate' Muslim wants a Radical Muslim to cut your head off.

+1

[myriverse]

Mocking God is punishable by death in Muslim countries. So I think it's safe to say, especially for your sake, that the "flying spaghetti monster" that the majority worship in Western culture is better than the "flying spaghetti monster" in Muslim countries.
Everything good about Western culture is what's not founded in religion. If we were still as clingy to our religion as Muslim countries, we'd be stoning women and worse, too.

[Orruar]

Everything good about Western culture is what's not founded in religion. If we were still as clingy to our religion as Muslim countries, we'd be stoning women and worse, too.

What point are you even trying to make here? That Christians would gladly be doing all the fucked up shit Muslims do if only our culture allowed them to? Isn't it strange that Christians are fine with peaceful existence with an open and free culture while Muslims will gladly murder women who try to educate themselves? Maybe all religions aren't the same...

[kaev]

Everything good about Western culture is what's not founded in religion.

I've no idea what universe you're referring to. Everything about western culture and every other modern culture is rooted in multiple religions and religious practices. Everything is built on the past, everything is both derivative and reactionary. We're all descended from rapists, murderers, slavers, torturers, xenophobes, and the occasional good apple that never went rotten as well.

[Patriam1066]

You really don't know how to read and have little understanding of history. The great political move in the second half of the twentieth century was and has been to modernize the middle east. It's not a pretty birth, and there will be more blood shed. So, now do you cowards want a war?

No dumbass, I want muslims to stop being given visas because bleeding heart idiots like yourself believe there is moral equivalency between christians and Muslims. That has nothing to do with atheiats being murdered in Paris or Jews being held hostage at a kosher supermarket. Keep bringing christianity up though, I'm tempted to convert since it's clearly the ideological enemy of both liberals and muslims. It must be amazing.

Let me reiterate: there is no connection between Jesus and Charlie Hebdo + a kosher supermarket. This is muslims attacking everyone, Id think a good liberal would understand this. They attacked your people, they've attacked mine (iran) in the past. Do they have to assault you personally before you get the jizz out of your eyes?

TLDR: I don't want a war, I want a quarantine. Stop allowing muslims in to the west. Take ANYONE but them

[Raev]

What point are you even trying to make here? That Christians would gladly be doing all the fucked up shit Muslims do if only our culture allowed them to? Isn't it strange that Christians are fine with peaceful existence with an open and free culture while Muslims will gladly murder women who try to educate themselves? Maybe all religions aren't the same...

Christianity has been gradually softened by 500 years of Liberalism. Back in 1500 they were burning witches at the stake, the spanish inquisition, etc etc. Islam, on the other hand, has not substantially changed from its inception.

[Ezalor]

No dumbass, I want muslims to stop being given visas because bleeding heart idiots like yourself believe there is moral equivalency between christians and Muslims. That has nothing to do with atheiats being murdered in Paris or Jews being held hostage at a kosher supermarket. Keep bringing christianity up though, I'm tempted to convert since it's clearly the ideological enemy of both liberals and muslims. It must be amazing.

Let me reiterate: there is no connection between Jesus and Charlie Hebdo + a kosher supermarket. This is muslims attacking everyone, Id think a good liberal would understand this. They attacked your people, they've attacked mine (iran) in the past. Do they have to assault you personally before you get the jizz out of your eyes?

TLDR: I don't want a war, I want a quarantine. Stop allowing muslims in to the west. Take ANYONE but them

The Charlie Hebdo attackers were born in France. And you sound really unstable bro, calm down.

[Patriam1066]

The Charlie Hebdo attackers were born in France. And you sound really unstable bro, calm down.

They were from immigrant backgrounds... What am I campaigning to stop? Immigration. Connect the dots bud, obviously at this point you can't throw out the baby with the bath water, but there's no reason to continue a policy of multiculturalism and integration that clearly isn't working. That they were born in France makes this all the more urgent a problem: people grew up there, and so unassimilated were they, that they attacked guys for drawing a cartoon. They sound like true Frenchmen to me....

I'll admit, I'm pretty pissed about this. But unstable? Nah, I'm not muslim. I'm not violent, never have been. I'll leave that to Muhammad and his followers. I'm just advocating a change of course, and as upsetting as that might be to apologists, I think most people can see that it's time to reassess the West's immigration policy.

[Ahldagor]

No dumbass, I want muslims to stop being given visas because bleeding heart idiots like yourself believe there is moral equivalency between christians and Muslims. That has nothing to do with atheiats being murdered in Paris or Jews being held hostage at a kosher supermarket. Keep bringing christianity up though, I'm tempted to convert since it's clearly the ideological enemy of both liberals and muslims. It must be amazing.

Let me reiterate: there is no connection between Jesus and Charlie Hebdo + a kosher supermarket. This is muslims attacking everyone, Id think a good liberal would understand this. They attacked your people, they've attacked mine (iran) in the past. Do they have to assault you personally before you get the jizz out of your eyes?

TLDR: I don't want a war, I want a quarantine. Stop allowing muslims in to the west. Take ANYONE but them

Another ineffective coward. Nice to assume I'm a Christian where I gave no evidence, nice to assume that a generalized notion of a Muslim is applicable to all billion plus of them, and it was nice of you to assume that I believe in Morality. My initial post regards the non-reaction that Muslims had with South Park doing what the Dutch cartoonist and Charlie had done after South Park had done it. The reactions are unequivocally unequal, so why are the South Park guys not in danger (an assumption, yes, but an easy one to make seeing as there, again, was no uproar from Muslims). It's easy to see that the Middle East is being quickly modernized by the west, and there is a lot of backlash. There will be more bloodshed, so which side are you on? Do you think that a governmental cessation of immigration permission to Muslims will stop them from attacking those that they see fit to target? Ahriman has taught me much, so why won't you listen?

[Samoht]

iroquois them all and be done with it already.

[Patriam1066]

Another ineffective coward. Nice to assume I'm a Christian where I gave no evidence, nice to assume that a generalized notion of a Muslim is applicable to all billion plus of them, and it was nice of you to assume that I believe in Morality. My initial post regards the non-reaction that Muslims had with South Park doing what the Dutch cartoonist and Charlie had done after South Park had done it. The reactions are unequivocally unequal, so why are the South Park guys not in danger (an assumption, yes, but an easy one to make seeing as there, again, was no uproar from Muslims). It's easy to see that the Middle East is being quickly modernized by the west, and there is a lot of backlash. There will be more bloodshed, so which side are you on? Do you think that a governmental cessation of immigration permission to Muslims will stop them from attacking those that they see fit to target? Ahriman has taught me much, so why won't you listen?

No dude, I'm assuming you aren't Christian. I don't get why you mentioned Christians to begin with was my point.

I'm glad you mentioned the Dutch, why don't you look up what happened to Van Gogh's great-grandnephew. Spoiler alert, Muslims killed him for having an opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_%28film_director%29

1. The Middle East isn't being modernized. The only places that are getting better are Oman and Tunisia ... neither of those things have anything to do with the West. They have to do with Muslims, thankfully, finally having decent leadership and challenging the bull shit ultra-conservative orthodoxy. Sadly, those two countries make up like 15 million people total out of that 1.6 billion Muslims you mention. The problem is not that all Muslims are "radical," the problem is that large majorities of them think that the death penalty is acceptable for apostasy, that adultery is punishable by stoning, and that women are property. From that cultural baseline, a long line of "radicals," at least from the perspective of a liberal western society, spring forth.

2. Immigration restrictions aren't going to solve the problem, there are already way too many Muslims in Europe. But why continue to let people in who clearly don't have any desire to be a part of secular European society? I'm not trying to ad hominem attack you, I'm honestly just pissed; I for the life of me don't understand how people can not agree 100% that Muslims are dangerous to the rest of us. That doesn't mean they all are, certainly not, but it's starting to be a trend here. I mean holy shit, Boko Haram just completely their conquest of an entire Nigerian state today. Letting in immigrants from these countries, who are so far behind in culture, can do nothing to advance the cause of people already living within them, at least compared to other immigrant groups, like anyone from Latin America, who most likely wouldn't resort to violence. Is what I'm saying really that hard to understand? Is it really that hateful? I think it's logical.... I guess it isn't.

3. Matt Stone and Trey Parker aren't in danger because America has done a much better job assimilating Muslims for two reasons:
a) They weren't the overwhelming immigrant group being allowed in (Muslims are nearer to 1% in America whereas in France they're 6-8% and concentrated in Marseille and Paris, mostly).
b) America has always done better at assimilating people... It's a nation founded by immigration. Europe isn't doing it that well to be honest.
I think we have plenty of instances of Islamic terrorism to prove that we're a target of them as well though.

[Patriam1066]

completed*
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria

[tortue ninja]

this

[Lictor]

Not really an appropriate analogy, keep trying!

[tortue ninja]

Do u disagree that Terrosism has no religion? Or do u agree KKK do not represents the christian religion?

Oh wait i think i know what u agree with, Islamic terrosist represent the musilm...

Am i right?

[Lictor]

How is the kkk analogous to the killings in Paris? Don't answer a question with another question, what are you a woman?

[tortue ninja]

What are u talking bout? When did i make an analogy with kkk and the killings in Paris?

What question did u ask? i'm not answering to u, move on

u are dumber than i thought.

[Portasaurus]

Mocking God is punishable by death in Muslim countries. So I think it's safe to say, especially for your sake, that the "flying spaghetti monster" that the majority worship in Western culture is better than the "flying spaghetti monster" in Muslim countries.

Yeah.

There are definitely different grades of spiciness when it comes to how various religions react to the modern world laughing/scratching their heads at their levels of immersion.

On the Scoville scale, some religions weigh-in at green pepper levels, whereas others are definitely pushing into ghost pepper territory and beyond.

And now I'm hungry.

In the end, everyone's very clearly an idiot and it's all kind of hilarious to watch as an outsider.

[Slax]

The difference is that no where in the Gospel does Jesus say to "kill the unbeliever". The KKK does NOT follow his teachings. These Muslim terrorists on the other hand are following a very strict "interpretation" of Islam and the Qur'an, Muhammad's interpretation.

[Orruar]

Do u disagree that Terrosism has no religion? Or do u agree KKK do not represents the christian religion?

Oh wait i think i know what u agree with, Islamic terrosist represent the musilm...

Am i right?

What's the % of Christians that are in the KKK these days? 0.0003%? How many murders are committed by the KKK each year? Suicide bombing has double digit support among Muslims. Death penalty for gays has overwhelming support. Your attempt at an analogy has utterly failed.

[Taminy]

You should google the word deist, you'd be shocked how many "christians" and, in my case, baha'is, agree with that last sentiment. As for christians being as bad as muslims, I'm sure even Lune would agree that that is ridiculous. I don't know what part of the world you live in where you see christian violence at levels like in the islamic world, but I just honestly don't understand the comparison.


Right now? No.

But you should look up what the Catholics were doing in Yugoslavia during WW2. And arguably a lot of German Christians as well.

[Slax]

Are you simply looking at the evil acts that men do and blaming whichever religion they belong to, or evil acts that men do which are actually commanded by their religion?

[tortue ninja]

Are you simply looking at the evil acts that men do and blaming whichever religion they belong to, or evil acts that men do which are actually commanded by their religion?

Terrorism has no religion

[Lune]

Do u disagree that Terrosism has no religion? Or do u agree KKK do not represents the christian religion?

Oh wait i think i know what u agree with, Islamic terrosist represent the musilm...

Am i right?

Why are you making it about terrorism? There are lots of different kinds of terrorists.

I'm more upset about their violent, regressive, repressive, rotten culture and philosophy. That is the part that is shared by extremists and a great many ordinary Muslims. I want it out of Europe and the rest of the West. The only people who should have to deal with their culture are them. The important consideration here is, some cultures are more conducive to violent terrorist extremism than others.

[Taminy]

Are you simply looking at the evil acts that men do and blaming whichever religion they belong to, or evil acts that men do which are actually commanded by their religion?

No true scotsman.

Serbs in Yugoslavia were forced to convert to Catholicism and if they didn't they were sent to Jasenovac concetration camp and likely killed. You can certainly argue about the SS / nazis as that is a bit less clear, but forced conversions are only for religion, not secular reasons. There were some secular members of the NDH who were doing it for non-religious reasons, but the catholic church was absolutely in bed with them.

[Taminy]

No true scotsman.

Serbs in Yugoslavia were forced to convert to Catholicism and if they didn't they were sent to Jasenovac concetration camp and likely killed. You can certainly argue about the SS / nazis as that is a bit less clear, but forced conversions are only for religion, not secular reasons. There were some secular members of the NDH who were doing killings and deportations for non-religious reasons, but the catholic church was absolutely in bed with them.

Fixed to be more clear

[Slax]

No true scotsman.

Serbs in Yugoslavia were forced to convert to Catholicism and if they didn't they were sent to Jasenovac concetration camp and likely killed.

But then they weren't exactly following Christian Scripture then, were they? So these are the evil actions of men, not men following the teachings of Jesus or his Apostles. Christians are clearly commanded to leave people be to their own demise if they don't want to receive The Gospel.

Matthew 10:14 - "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet."

Compare that with ..

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone"

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day"

Qur'an (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."


I could go on and on and on. There's lots more where that came from in The Qur'an and Hadiths.

[Slax]

And if you want to talk about Nazis, Hitler absolutelydespised Christianity, but Islam on the other hand, he was rather fond of.

[Taminy]

But then they weren't exactly following Christian Scripture then, were they? So these are the evil actions of men, not men following the teachings of Jesus or his Apostles. Christians are clearly commanded to leave people be to their own demise if they don't want to receive The Gospel.

Matthew 10:14 - "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet."

Compare that with ..

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone"

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day"

Qur'an (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."


I could go on and on and on. There's lots more where that came from in The Qur'an and Hadiths.

I think the Bible and the Quaran are the best books ever written - because they mean whatever the fuck the reader wants them to mean.

And I don't know, the pope and archbishops condoning genocide certainly counts as following Christianity to me - at least the flavor known as Catholicism.

As for Hitler and the Nazis, he says some things in which he hates the Church and some in which shows he is a Catholic. Whether or not he did, there were certainly a ton of Catholics who supported the Holocaust as well as German Protestants.

Whether or not they found their inspiration from direct scripture quotes is a bit silly. They definitely thought they were Christians and there are definitely verses that condone killing. Of course I could quote them, but you'll just say it's not meant to be taken literally - even if I find some members of the NDH or Catholic church using them. So essentially you've set up something impossible to prove - the perfect no true scotsman.

[tortue ninja]

Religious people are good, to hire dumb people, they are the best. You have to be brave to say this kind of bullshit.

[Slax]

Ok well either way, do a bit of research on Hitler and you'll see he planned to destroy the church after consolidating power. He also wished the Germanic races had fallen to Islam 8th century, which would have insured they would have dominated the world under "Mohammedanism". This way, you can at least stop saying he was Christian, despite what he said for political purposes. Let's not forget he took power through a free election.

[Taminy]

Ok well either way, do a bit of research on Hitler and you'll see he planned to destroy the church after consolidating power. He also wished the Germanic races had fallen to Islam 8th century, which would have insured they would have dominated the world under "Mohammedanism". This way, you can at least stop saying he was Christian, despite what he said for political purposes. Let's not forget he took power through a free election.

I never said he was a Christian, I said he said some things that were Christian and said some things that weren't. Sounds like you're too ready to do battle rather than listen.

I said there were a lot of Nazis who were Christian though. Hell every single member of the SS was Christian (at least proclaimed) or Muslim (a small number - but you'll note I don't think Islam is a great religion before you go down that road), besides maybe some of the politicians. You had to believe in God or at least claim to to be in SS.

[Ahldagor]

No dude, I'm assuming you aren't Christian. I don't get why you mentioned Christians to begin with was my point.

I'm glad you mentioned the Dutch, why don't you look up what happened to Van Gogh's great-grandnephew. Spoiler alert, Muslims killed him for having an opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_%28film_director%29

1. The Middle East isn't being modernized. The only places that are getting better are Oman and Tunisia ... neither of those things have anything to do with the West. They have to do with Muslims, thankfully, finally having decent leadership and challenging the bull shit ultra-conservative orthodoxy. Sadly, those two countries make up like 15 million people total out of that 1.6 billion Muslims you mention. The problem is not that all Muslims are "radical," the problem is that large majorities of them think that the death penalty is acceptable for apostasy, that adultery is punishable by stoning, and that women are property. From that cultural baseline, a long line of "radicals," at least from the perspective of a liberal western society, spring forth.

2. Immigration restrictions aren't going to solve the problem, there are already way too many Muslims in Europe. But why continue to let people in who clearly don't have any desire to be a part of secular European society? I'm not trying to ad hominem attack you, I'm honestly just pissed; I for the life of me don't understand how people can not agree 100% that Muslims are dangerous to the rest of us. That doesn't mean they all are, certainly not, but it's starting to be a trend here. I mean holy shit, Boko Haram just completely their conquest of an entire Nigerian state today. Letting in immigrants from these countries, who are so far behind in culture, can do nothing to advance the cause of people already living within them, at least compared to other immigrant groups, like anyone from Latin America, who most likely wouldn't resort to violence. Is what I'm saying really that hard to understand? Is it really that hateful? I think it's logical.... I guess it isn't.

3. Matt Stone and Trey Parker aren't in danger because America has done a much better job assimilating Muslims for two reasons:
a) They weren't the overwhelming immigrant group being allowed in (Muslims are nearer to 1% in America whereas in France they're 6-8% and concentrated in Marseille and Paris, mostly).
b) America has always done better at assimilating people... It's a nation founded by immigration. Europe isn't doing it that well to be honest.
I think we have plenty of instances of Islamic terrorism to prove that we're a target of them as well though.

Better stated. To a point I agree with you on Muslims, but I'm all for allowing immigration with assimilation, quick or slow or forced, a patience; and an understanding that people will die, there will be blood shed, and that all of that isn't in vain if it perpetuates an idea of freedom over security. Free to live, free to die.

[Rivthis]

Free to live, free to die.


Please go die.

[Ahldagor]

Please go die.

http://cdn.sheknows.com/filter/l/gallery/james_van_der_beek_cry.jpg

[GeorgeCostanza]

yikes, this thread

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

a dozen white frogs die, the world stands in horror and solidarity

meanwhile

http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/world/article/Reports-continueof-Nigeria-massacre-6005155.php#photo-7369233

2000 dead from terrorists in nigeria

#blackholes

Stopped reading after "deadin". If they don't care enough to proofread I don't care enough to care about third world problems unless they're brought to the first world.

[Slax]

a dozen white frogs die, the world stands in horror and solidarity

meanwhile

http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/world/article/Reports-continueof-Nigeria-massacre-6005155.php#photo-7369233

2000 dead from terrorists in nigeria

#blackholes

Oh hey, check that out. Those 12 dead frogs have something in common with those 2,000 dead Nigerians.

[Mandalore93]

Islam is a class C religion.

Christianity is low end Class R these days.

Jokes aside, I'm being dead serious. Christianity today would be nearly unrecognizable to your ancestors even just a century ago. Honestly, what percent of Christians are practicing weekly in the west? Maybe 20-30% of the population? Compare that with Islam where many sects require you to have large parts of the Qur'an memorized. Throw in a region that is experiencing self rule for the first time in about 300-500 years and you've got a gigantic shit show.

Real shame that the civilization that practically invented the basis of modern mathematics and astronomy are busy blowing up school children.

[Thiefboy777]

All the people supporting Islam in this thread don't bother me, in fact I encourage you to travel to any middle eastern country and see how you are treated. You will most likely be kidnapped, and beheaded on video, so by all means continue your support.

[tortue ninja]

All the people supporting Islam in this thread don't bother me, in fact I encourage you to travel to any middle eastern country and see how you are treated. You will most likely be kidnapped, and beheaded on video, so by all means continue your support.

We may be kidnapped cause of dumbs people like u posting shit like that....

[Mandalore93]

I agree with Tortue. This one time this guy posted something super duper mean about atheists and so to get back at him a little I FUCKING KIDNAPPED AND BEHEADED THAT MOTHER FUCKER. DISRESPECT DAWKINS NOW BITCH

[aldred]

LOL, political debate on P99 forum, not sure how far this will go, but it will end very bad :D

[Jarnauga]

Can't wait to see these camps opening in the us to start the final solution to the muslim question, amirite ?

You guys are closer to these assholes than you think.

[Orruar]

Can't wait to see these camps opening in the us to start the final solution to the muslim question, amirite ?

You guys are closer to these assholes than you think.

Apparently "you're racist" was too terse for you?

[Jarnauga]

Apparently "you're racist" was too terse for you?

"DUH muslim is not a race so it's okay DUH"

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Can't wait to see these camps opening in the us to start the final solution to the muslim question, amirite ?

You guys are closer to these assholes than you think.

I'd be in support of this but on the condition that the tumblrites and Santranfransisco bay area gender ideologues be put in the same camps and the resulting infighting be televised.

[Slax]

I don't like seeing dead Muslims. I don't want dead Muslims. I'd much rather see them either Apostate (good luck with that in Islam) or simply stay where they can live under the Sharia compliant laws they claim to want. Don't go to Europe and refuse to assimilate, then create over 700 'No Go Zones' where they try to enforce Sharia.... Why did they even leave their Muslim countries to begin with if they want Sharia? The answer is simple really. It's because Islam is a religion of conquest. And just because a Western atheist thinks all religions are dumb doesn't mean they're all alike. Do all of you super smart atheists even know what they do to people like you under Sharia law?

[Mandalore93]

Buddy, you're barking up the wrong tree there if you think atheists are jumping with joy over Islam. It's generally left wing Christians who bring that "religion is so good plox dun criticize" bullshit

[quido]

Should point a gun at every Muslim's head and tell them to renounce Islam and if they refuse, pull the trigger.

[Glenzig]

Should point a gun at every Muslim's head and tell them to renounce Islam and if they refuse, pull the trigger.

That is so totally different from their idea for what to do with the rest of the world. Good job.

[quido]

The difference is we have the power to subjugate most of them! I think we should. Let's turn Muslims into slaves and sell them for sex.

[Patriam1066]

Why does this keep becoming a Christian vs atheist debate. Newsflash guys, even if Yall loathe each other, 99.9999% of the time it doesn't result in violence.

People can be democrats, republicans, Mormons, Buddhists, atheists, agnostics, jews, catholics, baptists, socialists .... Whatever. The overwhelming majority of the time ALL of these groups think that freedom of speech, religion, education, etc, are good things. In other words, these ideologies arent injerently incompatible with the important cultural values of the western world. Islam is. A system that is so archaic that it forces women to cover their heads to not tempt men is clearly retrograde to the point that it would naturally breed radicals, and the evidence seems to support the fact that it creates extremists in droves.

Either way, regardless of whether you're a theist like myself and don't understand leftist thought and atheism, or whether you're a left wing atheist who can't understand how someone could be like me, I hope we're all wise enough to understand that we can coexist peacefully. If Charlie Hebdo drew a cartoon shitting on my religion, I'll be honest, Id be offended. But I really wouldn't care after about 15 seconds of mild indignation. Whatever you'd like to say about Christian or secular post Christian western culture, you should understand that both systems are 75% identical in values and are BOTH under assault by the growth of islam in the West.

As for the final solution shit, please, I'm never going to kill a muslim, unless I had to in self defense. If you muslims would direct your outrage towards your own slimy imams keeping women in shackles and children ignorant and uneducated we wouldn't even have to have this discussion in the first place. But keep pretending that Lune posting a somewhat offensive statement on a forum is the problem, instead of the authorities of my homeland (Iran) interpreting a 1400 year old book LITERALLY to make laws. You'd think you'd be more worried about the system that breeds rapists and child murderers rather than the backlash from people who naturally think those things are evil.

[Slax]

Should point a gun at every Muslim's head and tell them to renounce Islam and if they refuse, pull the trigger.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6924—Allah’s Messenger said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (There is no god but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”


Now please find for me where in The Gospel it says that you should force people to convert to Christianity or face death. You know, because Islam and Christianity are exactly alike.

[Lune]

You guys are closer to these assholes than you think.

Thanks! Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it's an ethos.

http://i.imgur.com/6wk0yON.jpg

It's as simple as these three steps:

1. Change the acceptance of multiculturalism that has developed since the end of WWII. Not all cultures deserve our respect or tolerance, not all cultures are equally advanced when it comes to running a stable, progressive society.

2. Very selective, low-volume immigration laws that are actually enforced. No more businesses importing hordes of low-skill low-wage labor and then passing off the social costs onto the government and the public.

3. Adopt post-scarcity basic-income fascist liberal republic. Stop worshiping the dollar, start pursuing self-improvement and the advancement of the human* race.

* Westerners

http://i.imgur.com/E6fjBCy.jpg

[Slax]

Why does this keep becoming a Christian vs atheist debate.

It's because they keep trying to point out that you must be stupid if you don't think Christianity and Islam are the same.

[MrSparkle001]

depends, does Forced to Follow mean Convert? Cause ya know, you could get stoned to death, or do what ur told... so ... were christians forcing u to follow old testament? or? you were volunteering to live?



He said the gospel.

[2pacalypse]

Thanks! Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it's an ethos.

http://i.imgur.com/6wk0yON.jpg

It's as simple as these three steps:

1. Change the acceptance of multiculturalism that has developed since the end of WWII. Not all cultures deserve our respect or tolerance, not all cultures are equally advanced when it comes to running a stable, progressive society.

2. Very selective, low-volume immigration laws that are actually enforced. No more businesses importing hordes of low-skill low-wage labor and then passing off the social costs onto the government and the public.

3. Adopt post-scarcity basic-income fascist liberal republic. Stop worshiping the dollar, start pursuing self-improvement and the advancement of the human* race.

* Westerners

http://i.imgur.com/E6fjBCy.jpg

[Patriam1066]

Go Ravens

Also starship troopers is a funny ass movie. The book, while nothing like it, is good too. Robert heinlein is one of my favorite authors

[Taminy]

It's because they keep trying to point out that you must be stupid if you don't think Christianity and Islam are the same.

Because when you turn away from science and to religion barbarism often follows. And the historical evidence shows Christianity has been guilty of extreme barbarism in the past. We are lucky we are living in a time where Christianity is being tame.

http://serbianna.com/analysis/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/tushkanac1.jpg

[Glenzig]

Because when you turn away from science and to religion barbarism often follows. And the historical evidence shows Christianity has been guilty of extreme barbarism in the past. We are lucky we are living in a time where Christianity is being tame.

http://serbianna.com/analysis/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/tushkanac1.jpg

So...Nazi scientists weren't a thing? No eugenics programs exist in your version of history?

[Taminy]

So...Nazi scientists weren't a thing? No eugenics programs exist in your version of history?

Nazis were anti intellectual and far more scientists left than stayed. The Nazis never viewed the Jews as intellectually inferior*, rather as trying to control the world through communism and other secretjewgold plots loooolll

*in light of this, I don't see how you can view the Jewish/Roma/Serb/Communist/Jehovah's Witness/Gay part of the holocaust as Eugenics related. At best you can say Action T4 was, but even that is pretty dodgy. It's more of a failure of social "science" than hard science (STEM).

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Nazis were anti intellectual and far more scientists left than stayed.

And yet thanks to the few that stayed we have virtually all of modern aeronautical engineering, as well as everything space related.

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/m4CQlnl.jpg

[Patriam1066]

Nazism was an ideology neither based on science or christianity. It was militant german nationalism created by lunatics and followed by the populace at large because they were poverty stricken and angry. The Nazis sucked

Tunisia: they are getting better because they are giving democracy a chance. There are growing pains, sure, but political representation is better than cycles of military repression and extremism, which is where most of the Middle East is.

Oman: yeah, the sultan has no heir. But Im hopeful that all the progress he has brought them won't be squandered when he dies. Hopefully, seeing how fucked ip their region is, they will choose to endorse stability.

GCC: Wahhabism .... Enough said.

Hurb: go to Walmart, buy a gun and a canoe, row across the Atlantic to nigeria and go figjt Boko Haram. Not sure what else to tell you, except that I posted an article about that yesterday in this thread about you did. Not sure what else I can do though. I don't want them to die, but I also don't want a war. The best way to defeat them is to quarantine it. Beyond that, I'm not sure we can fight all muslims everywhere on the planet every time they massacre people, which is basically every day.

Before you cry yourself to sleep tonight and ask Al Sharpton for forgiveness for being white, write a letter to your congressman about fighting boko haram I guess

[Patriam1066]

Before you did*

[katrik]

http://i.imgur.com/m4CQlnl.jpg

Bronies are disgusting

[maskedmelon]

A 'Radical' Muslim wants to cut your head off. A 'Moderate' Muslim wants a Radical Muslim to cut your head off.

This ^ .

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I have to reply to this below:
"1. The Middle East isn't being modernized. The only places that are getting better are Oman and Tunisia ... neither of those things have anything to do with the West. They have to do with Muslims, thankfully, finally having decent leadership and challenging the bull shit ultra-conservative orthodoxy. Sadly, those two countries make up like 15 million people total out of that 1.6 billion Muslims you mention. The problem is not that all Muslims are "radical," the problem is that large majorities of them think that the death penalty is acceptable for apostasy, that adultery is punishable by stoning, and that women are property. From that cultural baseline, a long line of "radicals," at least from the perspective of a liberal western society, spring forth."

Tunisia is not. It's falling apart. He'll we don't even send expats to Tunisia, right now is has the same level of "stay the fuck away from" as Bangladesh and Azerbaijan. Both not 'bad', but not exactly welcoming either.

And in 10 years Oman will be in civil war. The current sultan is a homosexual with no defined heir. He has declared two candidates to figure it out for themselves.

Right now I love Oman, Omani people, and everything about Oman. It's a thousand times more friendly and inviting to a white redneck big mouthed australian than anywhere I've been in the world (lots of places). But it will fall to shit sure as beiber is a dickhead.

Muslim wise ask any 28+ year old from Saudi/Qatar/emirates what they do on Wednesday nights.... Go to Bahrain to sink piss and fuck whores.

Every Muslim I have met in 5 GCC nations who has travelled outside the GCC has been to Thailand. Do I really need to make it clear why anyone goes to fucking Thailand? (Hint, sex with 12 year old boys, chicks with dicks, and refilling your tiger bottle with piss from her flaps from across the bar). Then they all go home to become good moderate folk.

But as a country, and a Muslim country, and a country with religious overshadows on every part of politics and law... Oman is more friendly, welcoming, warm and loyal than Texas could ever dream to be. Also you yanks need to appreciate how good Muslim BBQ is, man they've been marinating meat and grilling it on coals for 3000 years. They have that shit PERFECT :p


This shit in France... Fuck me they allow free citizenship to ex colonized lands/countries. France has a huge problem with Muslims immigrants and 1-2nd generation French who fuckin hate the French way of life, the strong French nationalist pride, and the French liberalist way of open minded thinking.

Motec you coming back to play?

[maskedmelon]

Terrorism has no religion

He was referring to the fact that the Qur'an is riddled with passages like surat muhammad 47:4:

"So when you meet those who disbelieve in battle, strike their necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either confer favor afterwards or ransom them until the war lays down its burdens. That is the command. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them Himself, but He ordered armed struggle to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds."

Read the book before lending your support to the narrative of the victimized Islamic faith.

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that there is nothing like this in Christ's message (the new testament) from whom the term Christianity is derived. The reason Christ was such a pivotal figure was because he pacified a brutal religion and vastly broadened its base.

As the previous poster said you cannot blame a religion for evil acts by men affiliated with that religion, when the religion offers no substantive grounds for those acts. Islam unfortunately (for mankind) furnishes such grounds in multitude.

[maskedmelon]

Whether or not they found their inspiration from direct scripture quotes is a bit silly. They definitely thought they were Christians and there are definitely verses that condone killing. Of course I could quote them, but you'll just say it's not meant to be taken literally - even if I find some members of the NDH or Catholic church using them. So essentially you've set up something impossible to prove - the perfect no true scotsman.


Indulge us, please find and share such a quote within the teachings of Christ (the New Testament).

The point is that one religion teaches violence and intolerance and one does not. The one that does is therefore exponentially more vulnerable to committing such acts in addition to the exploitation all power-wielding organizations are subject to.

[Swish]

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[Patriam1066]

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Lol hahahahahaha

[myriverse]

If so, then Christians need to stop even printing the Old Testament, because many still seem to not have gotten the memo and continue to quote it to justify atrocity.

[Danth]

"We have to put a stop to the idea that it is a part of everybody's civil rights to say whatever he pleases."

--Attributed to Adolf Hitler

A movement which cannot tolerate and forcibly opposes criticism and satire is by definition unethical and oppressive. Attempting to appease those who want to dominate the world never ends well. Such a movement cannot be reasoned with, allied with, or trusted to keep its promises because its ultimate goal is the enslavement or destruction of everyone different. Those Imams don't hate you because of what you say. They hate you because you exist.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

A movement which cannot tolerate and forcibly opposes criticism and satire is by definition unethical and oppressive. Attempting to appease those who want to dominate the world never ends well. Such a movement cannot be reasoned with, allied with, or trusted to keep its promises because its ultimate goal is the enslavement or destruction of everyone different. Those Imams don't hate you because of what you say. They hate you because you exist.

Sounds like feminism.

[Sidelle]

http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/What+a+kind+godoh+wait+_2f6143543a9e5028d2d17c75a0 7c51d1.gif
LOL

[GeorgeCostanza]

That's what first-world progressive feminism is all about. Glad to see you've had a glimpse of reality, however you've merely dipped your toe into the ocean.

http://counterinception.com/sites/default/files/pictures/MatrixBluePillRedPill.jpg
Now choose.

Except every single self described "progressive" in the US, Great Britain, Sweden, Norway, and a slew of other countries. I hope you realize that part of this political correctness crap is calling anyone who wants to hold these animals accountable for their actions an "islamophobe".

This is unfortunately starting to change as well. The progressive left is becoming more puritanical with every protest, complaint and push. They are trying harder to insert their agenda into music/movies/books/video games more than any of the right winged Christians ever did in the 60's/70's. It's become a literal cult. (http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm)
People also really need to break out of this left/right dichotomy trap. Both sides are equally horrible for different reasons, I know you desperately want to call one the lesser of two evils but I'm sorry to say it's demonstrably not so.


Europe is all sorts of fucked. Have you seen Sweden's new foreign policy administrator?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

http://i58.tinypic.com/5ccfb7.jpg

com wit me i am from the intarnet

[Lune]

Terrorism ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html)

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/)

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. (http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/)

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children: (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html)

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose) 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose) 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%) About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S. (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf)

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah 30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah 45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative) 43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative) (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative). 49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative) 49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative) 39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative) (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. 34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable". (http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml)

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified. 35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall). 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). 22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall). 29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall). (http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60)

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never). 28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never). (http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/)

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified (http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60)

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities. 27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified. 37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target". (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified). (http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh). (http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians. (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely)

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say. (http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/)

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

[Estolcles]

Terrorism ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html)

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/)

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. (http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/)

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children: (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html)

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose) 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose) 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%) About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S. (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf)

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah 30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah 45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative) 43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative) (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative). 49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative) 49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative) 39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative) (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. 34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable". (http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml)

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified. 35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall). 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). 22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall). 29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall). (http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60)

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never). 28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never). (http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/)

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified (http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60)

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities. 27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified. 37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target". (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified). (http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh). (http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians. (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely)

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say. (http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/)

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

Yay religion of peace.

[2pacalypse]

Yay religion of peace.

there is no such thing as a religion of peace. there are only philosophies of peace. Religion by definition is a tool used to maintain the integrity of a cultural hierarchy at all costs - costs including economic backwardness, senseless violence, and the permanent disruption of logical faculties in adherents.

It should not be surprising that when Jews meddle in the affairs of people who share a different religion, those people organize along religious lines. That's how you win wars, or at least endure oppression without your culture being completely supplanted by Zionism. Americans could learn something from that if they weren't too busy being the long knife of Zion.

[DrKvothe]

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OMG you win RNF

On the issue of conservatives vs progressives on the topic of Islam, it seems to me that the majority of Americans of all political parties have had enough. Plenty of prominent liberals have voiced their disapproval of Islam as a religion, because the religion as it is practiced in most of the world goes against every principal that liberals fight for. Yes, there are plenty of exceptions, but there are also those on the religious right who think that essentially the Charlie Hebdo people had it coming for their "religious intolerance."

I'm a research scientist, so I tend to run with a pretty intellectual crowd. Even among Americanized Muslim scientists, I see a great deal of intolerance. A Muslim scientist I work with refuses to eat food if he thinks it was prepared by an atheist. Wtf? That's some down-right intolerant shit. A female Muslim scientist I used to work with had a very difficult time finding balance in her life, because the combination of her dream of being a scientific researcher and her strong faith made it very difficult for her to find a boyfriend. For several years the only Muslim men she could find who were OK with her pursuing a career and driving a car were not devout enough for her.

[Clark]

Christianity is as much a mental defect as Islam.

Buddhism is a lot more palatable to the logical mind.

Or everyone could just acknowledge their own ignorance when it comes to the divine and feel comfortable relishing the fact that they don't actually KNOW anything.

Cmon man don't go talking like you know the first thing about Religion making yourself look retarded. <3

[Clark]

Terrorism ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html)

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/)

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. (http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/)

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children: (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html)

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose) 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose) 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%) About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S. (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf)

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah 30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah 45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative) 43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative) (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative). 49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative) 49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative) 39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative) (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. 34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. (http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable". (http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml)

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified. 35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall). 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). 22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall). 29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall). (http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60)

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never). 28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never). (http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/)

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified (http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60)

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities. 27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police. (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified. 37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target". (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified). (http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh). (http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians. (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely)

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say. (http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/)

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

Dude nobody in their right mind is gonna click all those links. :eek:

[2pacalypse]

I'm a research scientist, so I tend to run with a pretty intellectual crowd.

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[Brynnag]

france and aggression is an oxymoron.

[Mac Drettj]

prophet mohamMAD is a faggot

AMIRITE?

[Nirgon]

go get em retti

[Kimm Bare|y]

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[GradnerLives]

Sounds like feminism.

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/10/the_plight_of_the_bitter_nerd_why_so_many_awkward_ shy_guys_end_up_hating_feminism/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/10/the_plight_of_the_bitter_nerd_why_so_many_awkward_ shy_guys_end_up_hating_feminism/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

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[Blasted]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAO8oc93UVQ

Simple example of how Muslim's cannot agree amongst themselves about the interpretation of their own religion. This chick is MAD.

But to think this is a strictly Muslim issue is shortsighted and ignorant.

I live in NYC - one of the most culturally diverse populaces on this planet. I'm a white American male of western European descent - who, by the logic of many people, should have no friends of Muslim background, because they all should hate me. It's simply not true. I have many Muslim friends. They are all wonderful and peaceful people. We've learned a lot from each other.

I hear many peaceful Muslim people across multiple outlets claiming that all Muslims should not be painted with the broad strokes of extremism, and that Muslims are an inherently peace-loving people. I would tend to agree with this, based on my own personal experience.

...but therein lies the problem, and the crux of the argument with many of the people on either side of this. My personal experience is in no way a representation of the world in it's entirety. Neither is yours.

While it's beautiful that some of us non-Muslims have welcomed in to our lives, and have been welcomed by Muslims, unfortunately, our experiences fly directly in the face of the literal foundations of the Muslim religion. Lying, stealing, and murder are all acceptable practices toward non-Muslims, under the literal representation of the Muslim holy book. In a nutshell, the Qur'an's attitude toward non-Muslims is to convert or die. If you're a peaceful moderate Muslim, or a sympathizer, hearing this may anger you, because knowing it angers me as well, but I implore you to continue reading.

You and I may have personal experience with Muslims who do not adhere to such deplorable values, the same way a large percentage of the world does. As well, a large percentage of the world has experience with Christians that are non-homophobic, because they recognize blind intolerance has no place in a modern world, despite what their Bible literally says.

The list goes on, of those who claim to adhere to a religion, but are so loose in it's translation and application as they deem it convenient to their modern lives - that they may need to reevaluate whether their religious affiliations are valid, or if it's simply tradition of their parents and their parents' parents, lest they remain too simple to understand that the literal orthodox teachings of all religions are outmoded, and obsolete for the modern, intelligent world we now live in.

The question, then, is why do the ones who claim the words in their holy books are no longer able to be accepted literally, still also claim to be a follower of the religion from which the books derive their twisted logic? This is hypocrisy rooted in fear, the same fear of an imaginary god that spawned religions as means of political control thousands of years ago. It's the single most dangerous ignorance we face as humans.

tl;dr: Too many people claiming to be followers of a religion simply because they go and pray to some false idol in a fancy building with other sheep once a week. When it comes to religion, you're either all in or all out, and if you call yourself a "moderate", you're NOT all in. Time to evolve.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAO8oc93UVQ

Simple example of how Muslim's cannot agree amongst themselves about the interpretation of their own religion. This chick is MAD.

But to think this is a strictly Muslim issue is shortsighted and ignorant.

I live in NYC - one of the most culturally diverse populaces on this planet. I'm a white American male of western European descent - who, by the logic of many people, should have no friends of Muslim background, because they all should hate me. It's simply not true. I have many Muslim friends. They are all wonderful and peaceful people. We've learned a lot from each other.

I hear many peaceful Muslim people across multiple outlets claiming that all Muslims should not be painted with the broad strokes of extremism, and that Muslims are an inherently peace-loving people. I would tend to agree with this, based on my own personal experience.

Those people may be good people, but they are bad at being Muslims. In order to be a 'good Muslim' you need to be what we in the west consider to be a 'bad person'.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"


Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
There is no two ways about it. This isn't like arguing against Christianity who at least have the new testament to fall back on even though they love to cite the old to excuse their bigotry. The Quran IS their new testament.

Heck, it even has a verse or two specifically about your so called 'peaceful Muslims'
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

[Glenzig]

Those people may be good people, but they are bad at being Muslims. In order to be a 'good Muslim' you need to be what we in the west consider to be a 'bad person'.


There is no two ways about it. This isn't like arguing against Christianity who at least have the new testament to fall back on even though they love to cite the old to excuse their bigotry. The Quran IS their new testament.

Heck, it even has a verse or two specifically about your so called 'peaceful Muslims'

Kaga I think its about time you learned to read.

[GradnerLives]

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It's a rag of a website for sure, but this article really reminded me of you, bud. Should take a read.