Get rid of LnS

[Bazia]

It's rarely enforced just get rid of it

[heartbrand]

Get rid of speed limits. They are rarely enforced.

[Genedin]

I tried this analogy already was too hard to understand for folks.

[Red_Messiah]

All I've seen all evening so far is bitching and whining about LNS technicalities.

I mean COME ON!

[Colgate]

u get ur LNS denied?

sounds like karma from last night 2 me

[krazyGlue]

u get ur LNS denied?

sounds like karma from last night 2 me

You can't denie lns unless you are breaking the rules . This sounds like a solid petition .

[Pseudechis]

You therefore admit you were on LNS in KC Kecleon?

We granted LNS, Rag and Kec looted under LNS, then zoned back in with a full group and killed holocaust players.

sounds like you don't want to play by your own rules, only have others play by them and you be exempt?

[Recycled Children]

Didn't Azrael beg for LnS to be implemented? I could be wrong.

[Mac Drettj]

lol...

[Bazia]

Just get rid of it now every fight is 20 minutes of enjoy ur ban spam after

[Ragnaros]

we got attacked during lns

[Genedin]

Is this like the time you kept me chain rooted and mana drained and didn't let me camp for 10 minutes and told me you were willingly not allowing me to LNS until deru came and told you to stop? Like that time?

[Kergan]

Azrael a bad guild filled with bad players.

[Mac Drettj]

Lns is easy to follow. People that don't are doing it on purpose.

Don't be a faggot. Call Lns before being engaged and honor it if it's called. Don't bait people to violating and don't fake it.

Rocket surgery.

[Ragnaros]

if I call lns and get nuked, can I defend myself?

[Stasis01]

Rag took some tips from Gaffin.

[bouncerr 2.0]

Rag took some tips from Gaffin.

wat m8?

[Ragnaros]

about what? I am superior

[Bazia]

everyone gets rustled over former pvp and drags it into the next "lns conflict"

huge waste of gm resources and time

get rid of this garbage

[Glenzig_]

it sounds like you faggots need to post prof and petition harder instead of crying in ooc ????????

[Swish]

LNS is simple isn't it? Not according to OOC, its an intricate tool that must be interpreted and re-analyzed 10 times before coming to a conclusion.

What if, as someone suggested earlier... the person you just killed was already on your ignore list (for spamming ooc etc)? They wouldn't be able to see a LNS call.

Was good entertainment watching that play out anyway :D

[Glenzig_]

what if, people were not brain morans and my dick was not in there buttholes

[Glenzig]

everyone gets rustled over former pvp and drags it into the next "lns conflict"

huge waste of gm resources and time

get rid of this garbage

Or. And this is going to be real hard to comprehend. Or, we could just act like adults and follow very simple rules instead of dreaming up scenarios where they don't apply. Do people really drool this hard over a naked kill? Grow up. Its a game.

[Bazia]

You can keep saying everyone should follow the rules while no one does, doesnt change the fact that no one follows it and it should just be gone instead of being enforced with suspensions randomly 1 out of 100 situations meanwhile everyone spams "ENJOY UR BAN FGT" after any nude kill (Which everyone does)

[Jib]

http://puu.sh/dDepH/2a5c1e2bfa.jpg

[Bazia]

no need to be upset, sometimes you log into a group of people sitting on ur bind

praise pvp, get rid of lns

[VictomEyez]

I gated out 40 min ago if u cant lns in that time play better

[Stasis01]

Ragnaros called LNS in Seb before, we res'd him let him loot and leave and within 20 mins was with Az attacking a group of GW.

Def some LNS violators, and bads considering 200 deaths.

[VictomEyez]

If its pvp in the zone and you are granted LNS and u come back to pvp with your group while in LNS then u should be denied future lns in that small time frame...

.not to mention u are logging in bazia after u plug to attack our cleric right now.

[Stasis01]

Fresh called LNS and Azrael had to let them go - instead of Lite and pals playing 48 hours sitting at the Fear portal to grief normal people off the box, or into his guild.

Pras LNS working great.

[Bazia]

No one follows LnS, I'm sure the 35+ petitions the GMs get a day can attest to that

[VictomEyez]

Fresh did azrael the favor by calling lns.otherwise they would have to be in feerrott and fear forever or atleast until repops

[Jib]

I think OP is just mad cause he cant CR

he opt'd out of LNS by attacking us instead of calling lns for his 3rd death today and has been trying to get his corpse for the past 4 hours because pvp seems to be too hard for him.

If he asked nicely I would definitely grant him LNS even tho he decided to opt out of it. Every time I ask him tho he just replies with enjoy your ban fgt

http://puu.sh/dDfmf/4fc6b2c65a.jpg

[Bazia]

I have called LNS 3 times on this server, every time was killed anyways

Useless system that just randomly punishes 1 out 400 petitions

[Jib]

well if you LNS then attack people they arent going to grant it buddy

[Bazia]

?

[Jib]

http://puu.sh/dDfLE/86bc86c039.gif

[Labanen]

No one follows LnS, I'm sure the 35+ petitions the GMs get a day can attest to that

most people follow lns in my experience. And then there is that same group of firegiants who always test GM patience and make up reasons to break very simple rules. If we got rid of lns they d just find another rule to break and annoy the gms, and probably other players, with.
Its been like that for 3 years, and i suspect that its the main reason that gms prefer to hang on blue even if pop is getting better on red.

[pingpong]

Fresh called LNS and Azrael had to let them go - instead of Lite and pals playing 48 hours sitting at the Fear portal to grief normal people off the box, or into his guild.

Pras LNS working great.


don't recall any lns call in feerott do you?

[Mac Drettj]

naked kills are the best part of eq pvp

u just have to learn to adjust to the rule set of lns

[Bazia]

naked kills so good

[Smedy]

how did that hate petitionquest turn out, swing and a miss?

[Pumpkinlatte]

Most people are cool about LNS and just act reasonably. I've always been treated fairly while asking for LNS by 90% of the server, and I've never attacked someone who is LNSing.

It's not that hard to act like a reasonable human being.

[Maelzai]

LNS on live(vallon zek) worked so well because all the high end guilds enforced it and honored it. If a guild came up that wanted to be douches and bind rush/corpse camp generally the other guilds would squash it out of existence. Here its alot harder because 1 person can actually make a huge impact on a server that has such a small population, specially when they might have 20 VP geared alts.

Pretty much, there needs to be something in place to prevent corpse camping/mindless greifing (mainly for lvl 1-50 moreso then 50+/60)
And if the top players/guilds don't want to help the server and enforce something like this the burden is put on the gms.

[Maelzai]

Ofcourse alot of ppl also need to learn to log for 30 min before getting their corpse and 99% of these problems would be solved, ppl get impatient and bored pretty fast.

[Conscript]

The fact that LnS is even a rule on PvP is just sad. People really need the admins to enforce that they shouldn't kill people who are naked on a corpse run.. really?

[Widan]

I think OP is just mad cause he cant CR

he opt'd out of LNS by attacking us instead of calling lns for his 3rd death today and has been trying to get his corpse for the past 4 hours because pvp seems to be too hard for him.

If he asked nicely I would definitely grant him LNS even tho he decided to opt out of it. Every time I ask him tho he just replies with enjoy your ban fgt

http://puu.sh/dDfmf/4fc6b2c65a.jpg

You are so far lost in immersion I don't think you even realize it.

[vouss]

Yeah Jib is absolutely insane, - he spent 4 hours cycling AoE stuns overtop of kecleon's body while me and basiah grinded BP on pokemon omega ruby / alpha sapphire chuckling over the heap of YT we dropped tag teaming 20 Holo in KC, he was actually standing there cycling AoE stuns with Gaanon talking shit in /ooc while I ran past them both and wiped a group at verix, those guys are both crazy imo.

[Slathar]

Yeah Jib is absolutely insane, - he spent 4 hours cycling AoE stuns overtop of kecleon's body while me and basiah grinded BP on pokemon omega ruby / alpha sapphire chuckling over the heap of YT we dropped tag teaming 20 Holo in KC, he was actually standing there cycling AoE stuns with Gaanon talking shit in /ooc while I ran past them both and wiped a group at verix, those guys are both crazy imo.

poor Hotmezz

[Jib]

calls lns

breaks lns rules

cries about lns

has friends cry with him about lns

[Slathar]

calls lns

breaks lns rules

cries about lns

has friends cry with him about lns

i honor lns. i think its stupid on a pvp server, though.

[Jib]

i honor lns. i think its stupid on a pvp server, though.

I honor lns too, i would never call lns myself as its for bluebies that are learning the beginner ropes of pvp.

[Slathar]

I honor lns too, i would never call lns myself as its for bluebies that are learning the beginner ropes of pvp.

thats what levels 1-56 should be for.

[Tassador]

thats what levels 1-56 should be for.

Naw 1-56 is get powered leveled learn nothing complain about not having gear or spell money lol and then join holo.

Get pixels find game boring quit.

Resurface on another char 2 weeks later.

[Jib]

well, OP calls lns then breaks lns then cries about lns in game, then cries on forums about taking away lns.

This is a pvp server, its pretty straight forward. If you can't handle it blue server might be a better alternative.

[maerilith]

wenz last tiem somewun waz bant for lns violazionts? prob last year

[Derubael]

Lot's of suspensions get handed out for LnS violations. These count as infractions on your account and end up adding to your # of days suspended for subsequent violations. This stacks up pretty quickly.

As a side note, one of the biggest issues with LnS right now that makes it difficult for us to enforce is all the asshats trying to bait others into suspensions and then posting selective screenshots in petition threads in an attempt to fuck over someone they don't like. I've been seeing this way too much and it needs to stop. If I ever see a petition that I know definitively without a doubt is an attempt to screw someone over by misrepresenting events or straight up lying/making shit up, it's likely they'll get a permanent ban on, at minimum, the account shown in the petition... if not all of their accounts. Maliciously baiting your opponent into violating LnS and then submitting screenshots framed and selected to highlight the violation but exclude your provoking/baiting is a common example of how this is abused.

It's a waste of CSR time and makes it more difficult to help people actually getting screwed over. If you find yourself repeatedly having your LnS violated, and you know you are doing it properly (communicating it clearly, making sure everyone in each zone you go to is aware of your intentions, etc) I highly recommend downloading OBS (Open Broadcasting Software) for its offline recording feature. It takes up hardly any system resources at all (especially compared to fraps) and works just as well. The only downside is that you need to remember to turn it on, which shouldn't be difficult if the problem is as prevalent and widespread as some claim it to be.

[snufzaimoverlord]

Lot's of suspensions get handed out for LnS violations. These count as infractions on your account and end up adding to your # of days suspended for subsequent violations. This stacks up pretty quickly.

As a side note, one of the biggest issues with LnS right now that makes it difficult for us to enforce is all the asshats trying to bait others into suspensions and then posting selective screenshots in petition threads in an attempt to fuck over someone they don't like. I've been seeing this way too much and it needs to stop. If I ever see a petition that I know definitively without a doubt is an attempt to screw someone over by misrepresenting events or straight up lying/making shit up, it's likely they'll get a permanent ban on, at minimum, the account shown in the petition... if not all of their accounts. Maliciously baiting your opponent into violating LnS and then submitting screenshots framed and selected to highlight the violation but exclude your provoking/baiting is a common example of how this is abused.

It's a waste of CSR time and makes it more difficult to help people actually getting screwed over. If you find yourself repeatedly having your LnS violated, and you know you are doing it properly (communicating it clearly, making sure everyone in each zone you go to is aware of your intentions, etc) I highly recommend downloading OBS (Open Broadcasting Software) for its offline recording feature. It takes up hardly any system resources at all (especially compared to fraps) and works just as well. The only downside is that you need to remember to turn it on, which shouldn't be difficult if the problem is as prevalent and widespread as some claim it to be.

Enforce Guild LNS calls, otherwise solo LNS rules should only apply to levels 1-55, 56-60 peeps are big boys and can just log out for awhile or whatnot.

[snufzaimoverlord]

Most of the baiters are level 60 scrubs also, so would cut down on all the wasted time sifting through that mess of petitionquest.

[vouss]

Yeah I think enforcing guild LnS to LnS would be a GOOD IDEA, trashed holo a couple days in a row now in KC and it's such a mess afterwards. People trying to LnS, people who I don't even know trying to tell me the guild IS LnS'ing, then the officers refusing to call LnS for their guild but just telling me to "do the right thing", or be "less of a faggot", which I would have to assume would be denying guild LnS until it's called.

THen mix in a bunch of snakes trying to loop hole their way into suspensions, pvp'ing, and winning is a headache imo

[Nirgon]

Winning has been a pretty big head ache yes

Gotta agree

[heartbrand]

there's no penalty for dying who cares? You lose literally nothing. Dunno why people get so worked up about it.

[JayN]

EQ pvp sure is awesome! wait amin....

[Conscript]

EQ pvp sure is awesome! wait amin....

[Pseudechis]

I love that this whole thread started by someone who whilst complaining about LNS violations was violating LNS himself. How was your saturday night of play Kecleon? Productive?

[Ragnaros]

Nakor, im not sure if you are mentally ill or just incapable of reading. Why should Kecleon Leave the zone for 1 hour after calling LNS, when you guys killed him at his bind after he called it? Im pretty sure once you killed him when he called it, it was over and he was allowed to retaliate, I don't see why you need to be angry you guys violated some LNS's and got your behinds handed to you afterwards.

[Bazia]

EVERQUEST

[fred schnarf]

lol scrubs

[Jib]

http://puu.sh/dDepH/2a5c1e2bfa.jpg

his corpse here is clearly geared, I just starting pvp'ing this guy yesterday and already he has personally abused LNS 2 times.

I honestly dont care if hes suspended or anything i didnt petition anything.

I just find it ironic that OP calls lns then attacks holo 5 mins after he calls LNS in the zone he just LNS'd from then cries about LNS on the forums

[Steel Warrior]

Wow, the tears in this thread.

Here's what really happened: Kecleon was bound on the superblock, gated in and got blinded before he loaded and took a pvp death. They let him hop down and zone into KC when he respawned. He sat naked at zone in KC where I was sitting with discs up and I didn't attack him naked and said to him, "You lns?"

He sat there and chatted in ooc without calling lns for a couple minutes while I patiently waited for him to call it. He finally did as Slumlord was zoning in from DL. Slumlord loaded and one-shotted Kecleon with double backstab.

After Kecleon reloaded ten feet away, he began to whine up a storm. We let him get his shit and he continued crying for hours, including the time he was violating LNS by returning to fight less than an hour later.

tldr: cry more

[Widan]

After Kecleon reloaded ten feet away, he began to whine up a storm. We let him get his shit and he continued crying for hours, including the time he was violating LNS by returning to fight less than an hour later.

If someone violates your LNS pretty sure you don't have to stay out of the zone for an hour after, just sayin.

[Ragnaros]

tldr you got stomped heheheheh

[Bazia]

Wow, the tears in this thread.

Here's what really happened: Kecleon was bound on the superblock, gated in and got blinded before he loaded and took a pvp death. They let him hop down and zone into KC when he respawned. He sat naked at zone in KC where I was sitting with discs up and I didn't attack him naked and said to him, "You lns?"

He sat there and chatted in ooc without calling lns for a couple minutes while I patiently waited for him to call it. He finally did as Slumlord was zoning in from DL. Slumlord loaded and one-shotted Kecleon with double backstab.

After Kecleon reloaded ten feet away, he began to whine up a storm. We let him get his shit and he continued crying for hours, including the time he was violating LNS by returning to fight less than an hour later.

tldr: cry more

thats totally what happened

[Pseudechis]

Nakor, im not sure if you are mentally ill or just incapable of reading. Why should Kecleon Leave the zone for 1 hour after calling LNS, when you guys killed him at his bind after he called it? Im pretty sure once you killed him when he called it, it was over and he was allowed to retaliate, I don't see why you need to be angry you guys violated some LNS's and got your behinds handed to you afterwards.

Keep to that story rag, how was your saturday night and sunday morning so far? Mine has been death free and quite pleasant.

[Mac Drettj]

Odd the last few days felt like holo was shitting on azrael and had free reign on any experience zone. I exped in kc for 3 days straight.

Also didn't have any issues granting AZ lns when they asked.

[Steel Warrior]

thats totally what happened

If you disagree, please correct me. The double backstab was for 813 813. Whatever you do, though, please stop the whining. It's unbecoming.

[fred schnarf]

pras slumlord

[Ragnaros]

Keep to that story rag, how was your saturday night and sunday morning so far? Mine has been death free and quite pleasant.

been pvping having fun, slaying dragons CONTESTED, you?

[Pseudechis]

Was gonna troll but nah!

[HippoNipple]

Just get rid of it now every fight is 20 minutes of enjoy ur ban spam after

Ideally LnS would never have been implemented. It is sad the server has spawned guilds with so much hate about what other people do that GMs have to waste time refereeing these nerds. LnS was implemented because there were individuals that would sit on a corpse of a player 8 levels under them for 48 hours because of nerd rage.

Sad how much time those same nerds still spend every day trying to get around rules to still be douche bags. People should know what to do but you can't reason with jealous angry nerds on 15 year old game.

[Buhbuh]

ya it came into being because this population can't seem to get it together and talk with one another.

it's very american in that sense. we can rip into people all day and say fuck anything as long as we don't have to admit there's something wrong with us.

it's unfortunate. be nice to have dialogues between guild leaders at the very least. lot of vitriol on this server. it's apparently half the fun? shrug.

[mr.miketastic]

ya it came into being because this population can't seem to get it together and talk with one another.

it's very american in that sense. we can rip into people all day and say fuck anything as long as we don't have to admit there's something wrong with us.

it's unfortunate. be nice to have dialogues between guild leaders at the very least. lot of vitriol on this server. it's apparently half the fun? shrug.

Spot on.

[Slathar]

ya it came into being because this population can't seem to get it together and talk with one another.

it's very american in that sense. we can rip into people all day and say fuck anything as long as we don't have to admit there's something wrong with us.

it's unfortunate. be nice to have dialogues between guild leaders at the very least. lot of vitriol on this server. it's apparently half the fun? shrug.
Content removed because poster cannot remember which forum this is.

Next time I might replace it with them giving love and kisses to all.

Haynar

[vouss]

LnS got implemented because the current officers of Holocaust along with the x-core of Nhilum griefed Red Dawn and current Holocaust member Checkraise into crying n the forums + Donating.

[heartbrand]

I thought it had something to do with Pokemon. Shows what I know.

[Portasaurus]

i don't think i like the fake glenzig guy

[Circumcision]

http://i59.tinypic.com/34o9dl1.jpg

[Mac Drettj]

face down ass up dats da way i like ta fvck

[Fame]

Is this like the time you kept me chain rooted and mana drained and didn't let me camp for 10 minutes and told me you were willingly not allowing me to LNS until deru came and told you to stop? Like that time?

ho ho ho

[Glenzig]

i don't think i like the fake glenzig guy

You kidding? His posts are like 10x better and more insightful than mine.

[Whirled]

Play BLUE! We dont have LnS issues!

...and...

Play RED! U can hack @ more pixels!

[Andis]

I honor lns too, i would never call lns myself as its for bluebies that are learning the beginner ropes of pvp.

would have to agree here

people in azrael not allowed to call lns so

work on it

[Nirgon]

This shit you do where you are trying to require guild lns for 5 people trying to xp in bronze...

How about let people loot their shit and leave... and find some meds to balance yourselves out so you can handle doing that

Hot tips here

I hope the suspensions continue to stack up until you understand the rules and stop trying to twist them to suit your own interests

[Buhbuh]

would have to agree here

people in azrael not allowed to call lns so

work on it

No way, if any guild even starts to lose a mass PvP fight, they call LnS to rush to the next mob before the other guild finishes the encounter they're on. Azrael did this. Nihilum did it. It's blue as fuck. No repercussions for coming at a guild and losing. Shouldn't be able to LnS until the raid mob is slain, but it's an easy/ ridiculous loophole right now.

Start losing a mass fight, call LnS. Guilds should be held down and fucked imo. It builds character, makes you have to really think strategically. If you come at a guild raid with a force, you better win the fight. There's just no real danger right now, unless you lose in somewhere like VP.

[easy_lee]

I firmly believe that the system will produce whatever outcome it encourages. If players can call LNS but then ignore the 1 hour rule, they will do so. This much is clear.

I propose the following system: PvP deaths result in the player, gear and all, being kicked from the zone for one hour. Just spawn them at the nearest zone line and prevent them from loading back into the zone for the next hour or in-game day or something. It wouldn't be very hard to code and would save a lot of petitions.

[Eslade]

I firmly believe that the system will produce whatever outcome it encourages. If players can call LNS but then ignore the 1 hour rule, they will do so. This much is clear.

I propose the following system: PvP deaths result in the player, gear and all, being kicked from the zone for one hour. Just spawn them at the nearest zone line and prevent them from loading back into the zone for the next hour or in-game day or something. It wouldn't be very hard to code and would save a lot of petitions.

Because not everyone calls lns.

[Nirgon]

Following system is in place:

Defy LNS, take a week in the tank

Do it again, put in da tank for more than a week each time gets longer

Seems goog 2 me








People ignore rules on blue also, you just can't kill them

[easy_lee]

Following system is in place:

Defy LNS, take a week in the tank

Do it again, put in da tank for more than a week each time gets longer

Seems goog 2 me

I think that system is fine if it's enforced. But it's very hard to enforce the system as-is, particularly on a private server. This thread is proof of that.

I would much rather have a system that doesn't need to be enforced. As an analogy, think of it like falling damage. If players were responsible for keeping track of falling damage, and killing themselves if they took long falls, then many players would lie and try to cheat the system. Fortunately, the game manages the system for us, killing players who take distant falls, so no one needs to argue about it.

I think it would be better to have a system like that for PvP deaths and LNS.

[daasgoot]

one of the holo guys i killed last night attempted to call LNS in order to get out of being killed.

however, he was fully geared, just chillin in KC and his last pvp death was 22 hours prior to me engaging him.

how do you propose ppl that try to fake LNS get punished nirgon?

[Nirgon]

I think lies should be a suspension

Got prof?

Or lyin about someone lyin should also be a suspension

[daasgoot]

I think lies should be a suspension

Got prof?

Or lyin about someone lyin should also be a suspension

naw.

just wondering.

lets forget guild tags.

say a random person called LNS when they got attacked to try and avoid PVP.

what should that random person's punishment be. Also, how could you actually prove they had not been killed prior to you attacking them. Leaderboard cant be considered a legitimate source because it can be manipulated by the owner.

[Nirgon]

I don't have any problems with the current system and haven't had any run ins with "the law" myself over it.

I'm not sure what's hard to figure out unless you are absolutely hell bent on corpse camping people until they call LNS (.... why) or care so much about not calling LNS (....why) that you'd avoid calling it on a corpse run where you want to leave the zone after. I think its time to analyze the situations people are creating that cause the problem rather than rule lawyer it.

Just kill someone, let them loot their shit and move on.

My advice for coming to grips with the current system is learn some sportsmanship whether you are killed or killed someone else.

[easy_lee]

I think lies should be a suspension

Got prof?

Or lyin about someone lyin should also be a suspension

Once again, I agree, but such investigations take a lot of time and effort. Realistically, the GMs can't investigate every claim, and are bound to make mistakes or have insufficient evidence from time to time. I don't think p1999 has the budget for full server logging, either, further complicating matters.

[HippoNipple]

what should that random person's punishment be. Also, how could you actually prove they had not been killed prior to you attacking them. Leaderboard cant be considered a legitimate source because it can be manipulated by the owner.

You think the GMs go check the player made leaderboards when deciding on whether or not to suspend someone. I think this guy might actually be retarded.

[Nirgon]

If you are attacking people within an hour of calling LNS in the zone you called it from, or you are sitting on someone's corpse not letting them get it (whether they called LNS or not) take a minute and figure out why you're such an angsty, belligerent person. Maybe the answer will come to you and you can finally move forward with learning how to constructively socialize with people.

My 2cp.

[easy_lee]

My advice for coming to grips with the current system is learn some sportsmanship whether you are killed or killed someone else.

Fantastic advice, but sadly not something we can force the playerbase to do. If cheating, griefing, corpse-camping, LNS abuse, etc are possible, we have to assume some players will do it.

[Nirgon]

If they want to soil their reputation so be it

[Bazia]

This retarded lawyerquest on red about LnS needs to go

[daasgoot]

I think its time to analyze the situations people are creating that cause the problem rather than rule lawyer it.


this is exactly what im trying to do... im not tryin to get in an argument or anything.

this is a situation someone created in game that i never would have considered until i saw the leaderboard after i killed him.

trying to use the LNS rule to get out of being killed, when he had no grounds to call LNS in the first place.

[Nirgon]

This retarded lawyerquest on red about LnS needs to go

The people causing said problems will continue to receive longer and longer suspensions.

Sounds like a good solution to me.


If your guild mate is being retarded? Don't get involved with their bull shit. Tell them to log or do something in another zone for an hour if they got killed.

On the other hand, tell them not to kill someone who just called LNS instead of encouraging it and giggling along or w/e.

Real hard, I know.

[daasgoot]

You think the GMs go check the player made leaderboards when deciding on whether or not to suspend someone. I think this guy might actually be retarded.

no.. reading comprehension would help you. I said leaderboard can't be used. So how would i as a player be able to submit any proof that someone called LNS but had not received a pvp death within an hour prior to the call.

go back to school.

[Nirgon]

If you are confused about this process or unsure what to do when something happens, shoot me a tell in game. I seem to have things figured out.

[easy_lee]

no.. reading comprehension would help you. I said leaderboard can't be used. So how would i as a player be able to submit any proof that someone called LNS but had not received a pvp death within an hour prior to the call.

You need log files, etc. It can be done, but takes a lot of effort on the part of the player and the investigating DM. That's why I think it should be automated.

[vouss]

If you are attacking people within an hour of calling LNS in the zone you called it from, or you are sitting on someone's corpse not letting them get it (whether they called LNS or not) take a minute and figure out why you're such an angsty, belligerent person. Maybe the answer will come to you and you can finally move forward with learning how to constructively socialize with people.

My 2cp.

uhhh, a reason someone may be camping a corpse if the person has not called LnS, is because they want assurance that the zone they are in will remain safe for them to be in? It's a pretty simple solution, call LnS, or don't.

Sitting naked at bind refusing to call LnS while calling the person who killed you a faggot is pretty poor sportsmanship, poorly represents our server I feel

[Nirgon]

You are bind camping someone and they have mean things to say

I see

[vouss]

call LnS, problem solved

[Bazia]

no one leaves for the hour either

why is this trash still around

[easy_lee]

call LnS, problem solved

That's what the thread is about. People sometimes call LNS but the request isn't heeded. Others use LNS to get corpse, but then don't follow the "leave zone for an hour" rule. These things can be solved by GM intervention and tickets, but those things take time from both the staff and the players. I don't think it's a particularly good system for either the staff or players for that reason.

[Nirgon]

call LnS, problem solved

Don't bind camp

Problem solved

[vouss]

If I let people loot their body I can't be sure that they are not just going to attack me again, LnS is a good system, instead of trying to find loop holes in it, you should use it as the GM's intended

[Widan]

If you're bound in a contested zone/spawn there should be exceptions to the excessive bind camping rules, otherwise people will start to bind near profitable camps and try to rules lawyer their way out of leaving, already seen this tactic being used recently.

[easy_lee]

Don't bind camp

Problem solved

Telling people not to do something doesn't mean they won't do it, otherwise we wouldn't have crime. Wouldn't it be a nice world to live in, though, if stealing and murder were impossible? That's what we can accomplish in EQ with built-in rules.

[heartbrand]

Telling people not to do something doesn't mean they won't do it, otherwise we wouldn't have crime. Wouldn't it be a nice world to live in, though, if stealing and murder were impossible? That's what we can accomplish in EQ with built-in rules.

Sony told people to not RMT, but it wasn't built into the rules, therefore it shouldn't be against the rules.

[Fame]

lns is weak, never seen it do anything other than allow some scrub to talk shit without having my my replies say [Queued]

[Buhbuh]

I think the players need to control it on this server, but pick and choose when it's is/ isn't going to happen, just without being cunty about it.

I remember Azrael trying to snipe VS and Nihilum coming in on the engage and wiping them out/ winning the PvP, and Azrael only lost about 5-10 people, so they just called LnS and ran to VP.

Nihilum tried denying it, because Azrael deserved to take a death or be immobilized/ hobbled until Nihilum was done with VS (that's my opinion, seeing as they lost the fight), but Derubael was on within minutes enforcing it, and Nihilum had to let them go.

That's one hardcore-esque part of PvP servers I really enjoyed. If you wanted to take the risk to attack another guild over content, losing the fight was a huge downfall. You couldn't CR until the dominant guild left the zone or allowed you to.

Here, you can bail out and go snipe something else rather than be a fuckin' man and go out in a blaze of glory. It actually promotes plugging even more to be able to call LnS before your guild gets slaughtered - because if it's clear the fight is being lost, a guild can cut its losses and all plug out while an officer calls LnS. Most come out of the mass plug still geared, still buffed, and maybe low hp is all. Otherwise, they're good to go.

No risk. When you wipe a guild in VP, you know you're not getting your shit back. It's high stakes every time. You log out. I prefer the population either allowing or denying LnS.

There are instances where that can be exploited and a guild could be held down for an entire day after being wiped, though, which is/ was the concern of it being implemented in the first place.

We just have to be reasonable as players. If we wipe someone in NToV in Velious just as we're starting to raid, I'd prefer player made rulings, like "you're done in ToV until we leave the zone" rather than 1 hour.

Or like, in small scale PvP, the LnS rules always apply, but in guild contexts (say, 20+ players from each side), the rules for LnS are player made. You just can't be rewarded for owning people right now if they call LnS and CR within minutes to port out and snipe a mob your guild is after. It also doesn't make for more PvP as a whole like developers had previously thought. Once the first battle is won, it's crystal clear to both sides who is going to win on every occasion, so the guild not equipped in the same way goes for the snipes, the quick actions and bold PvE moves to make it happen and to keep shit (loot/ raid mobs) from the other guild.

CHAPTER 2: LnS and Me

[billhollins]

pras slumlord

[Doors]

I think the players need to control it on this server, but pick and choose when it's is/ isn't going to happen, just without being cunty about it.

I remember Azrael trying to snipe VS and Nihilum coming in on the engage and wiping them out/ winning the PvP, and Azrael only lost about 5-10 people, so they just called LnS and ran to VP.

Nihilum tried denying it, because Azrael deserved to take a death or be immobilized/ hobbled until Nihilum was done with VS (that's my opinion, seeing as they lost the fight), but Derubael was on within minutes enforcing it, and Nihilum had to let them go.

That's one hardcore-esque part of PvP servers I really enjoyed. If you wanted to take the risk to attack another guild over content, losing the fight was a huge downfall. You couldn't CR until the dominant guild left the zone or allowed you to.

Here, you can bail out and go snipe something else rather than be a fuckin' man and go out in a blaze of glory. It actually promotes plugging even more to be able to call LnS before your guild gets slaughtered - because if it's clear the fight is being lost, a guild can cut its losses and all plug out while an officer calls LnS. Most come out of the mass plug still geared, still buffed, and maybe low hp is all. Otherwise, they're good to go.

No risk. When you wipe a guild in VP, you know you're not getting your shit back. It's high stakes every time. You log out. I prefer the population either allowing or denying LnS.

There are instances where that can be exploited and a guild could be held down for an entire day after being wiped, though, which is/ was the concern of it being implemented in the first place.

We just have to be reasonable as players. If we wipe someone in NToV in Velious just as we're starting to raid, I'd prefer player made rulings, like "you're done in ToV until we leave the zone" rather than 1 hour.

Or like, in small scale PvP, the LnS rules always apply, but in guild contexts (say, 20+ players from each side), the rules for LnS are player made. You just can't be rewarded for owning people right now if they call LnS and CR within minutes to port out and snipe a mob your guild is after. It also doesn't make for more PvP as a whole like developers had previously thought. Once the first battle is won, it's crystal clear to both sides who is going to win on every occasion, so the guild not equipped in the same way goes for the snipes, the quick actions and bold PvE moves to make it happen and to keep shit (loot/ raid mobs) from the other guild.

CHAPTER 2: LnS and Me

?

[Stasis01]

The problem with LNS is Azrael's "contesting" method is trying to cut down the zerg by griefing weaker players into not logging in by corpse camping, making them miss raids, and just being faggots.

When that's your contesting model obviously you'll fuck with LNS and make it more complicated than it needs to be.

I don't see any issues between Fresh and Holo, maybe when Az is gone it'll be less grief people off and more build up a guild and fight for shit, for fun.

Az were necessary when Nihi was around, maybe, but shits old/more pop is fun.

[Stasis01]

Because let's be honest, Az are faggots and annoying - and it's toxic or whatever, but it wasn't shit to Nizzars crew.

[Bazia]

That's a nice retarded conspiracy theory there, PVP is just PVP and yeah bad players are more likely to die than good ones.

[Colgate]

it's just refreshing not playing as part of the "resistance"

which actually just means self-victimization because you're a masochist and/or a reject

[Bazia]

i just want 2 pvp dude you guys can conjure up deep and retarded conspiracy theories or mental evaluations of people over elf quest if u want

[Pseudechis]

But did anyone just see the flames snap the losing streak against the kings!

[red99]

colgate trying to overcompensate for all of his horrible fat friends, that are terrible in game, and out.


forumquest and playtimes off the charts


the real reason he coudlnt be in azreal is not enough room for his ego and lite's, little man syndrome in overdrive


Most of you are pure garbage thats a known fact. The only thing we really debate on the forums if the "level" of garbage you might fall into.

A three day pile of shit calling a five day pile of shit...........shit.

Liar's thieves, general scumbags, fat, mad, etc. We are probably a case study for humanity at it's worst.

[Colgate]

man i love not playing with people like andis and burgerking

[Tameth]

what's LNS?

[Smedy]

the good old grandmaster is being puppeteered by a bunch older and wiser bluebies, the young mind of the grandmaster does not keep up with the evil geniuses such as nirgon the bluest of all bluebies

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Grima_and_Th%C3%A9oden.jpg

i will try to deliver the light of Eärendil's star to young colgate so he can see clearly in the fog of war, thank jesus there are still white knights out there

http://coreserver.net/smedy/photos/ForumQuest/FASCctm.png

[Burgerking]

man i love not playing with people like andis and burgerking

https://entrepreneurshipworldtour.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/total-immersion.jpg

[Barladore]

Because let's be honest, Az are faggots and annoying

srs?

[Labanen]

I don't see any issues between Fresh and Holo, maybe when Az is gone it'll be less grief people off and more build up a guild and fight for shit, for fun.
there would probably be more fights between holo and fresh if Azrael wasnt there as a common enemy... but i like the 3 guild system more than a 2 guild system to be honest, no matter how little i care for the people in them.

more pop is fun.YES !

[heartbrand]

PvP hasn't been fun since manastone / rubicite came out of game. Nothing will match Classic pvp. Now it's just hugging zone lines, running across ten large kunark zones, the cock tease known as seb, etc. You used to be able to just bind in guk and instantly have pvp against multiple targets away from a zone line.

[Smedy]

PvP hasn't been fun since manastone / rubicite came out of game. Nothing will match Classic pvp. Now it's just hugging zone lines, running across ten large kunark zones, the cock tease known as seb, etc. You used to be able to just bind in guk and instantly have pvp against multiple targets away from a zone line.

they need to nerf plugging

[Stasis01]

srs?

I don't mean it personally, I just mean playstyle - corpse camping, wiping weak planar raids, ninjaing VS loot.

I did it too for a year, I'm not judging - it's just a faggot playstyle, but it's funny to see people freak out so I know why you guys do it. Nihi is gone though there's no need for it IMO.

One of my favorite memories was when we were res box training Nihi and Elderan removed Az from the leaderboard.

[entruil]

remove lns .... add 1 lootable....

[Pseudechis]

What azrael call PvP is really just a dedicated gank squad, credit where credit is due they are quite practiced at it. They seek fights where it is 6 or 7 vs 1 . In 4 months I've seen 3 occurrences of pretty even PvP. Trak which holo won, VS that weekend which Holo won and generals on Sunday (which I quite enjoyed) which azrael won. Nearly all other yt happening is gank squads picking of lower level exp groups or catching individuals in the open. There may be a spattering of 1 v 1 and twink vs noob in there as well but let's not pretend like every time anyone enters pvp they don't fully commit unless they perceive the advantage. It's all about perspective, Azrael think they are doing good by roaming around with a practices squad of well geared players killing anything in range by keeping pvp alive but their only goal is to grief, they do not need to, nor do they truly want to, contest mobs for loot.

[Eslade]

What azrael call PvP is really just a dedicated gank squad, credit where credit is due they are quite practiced at it. They seek fights where it is 6 or 7 vs 1 . In 4 months I've seen 3 occurrences of pretty even PvP. Trak which holo won, VS that weekend which Holo won and generals on Sunday (which I quite enjoyed) which azrael won. Nearly all other yt happening is gank squads picking of lower level exp groups or catching individuals in the open. There may be a spattering of 1 v 1 and twink vs noob in there as well but let's not pretend like every time anyone enters pvp they don't fully commit unless they perceive the advantage. It's all about perspective, Azrael think they are doing good by roaming around with a practices squad of well geared players killing anything in range by keeping pvp alive but their only goal is to grief, they do not need to, nor do they truly want to, contest mobs for loot.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nuV48D0p9Lk/T4fvWHT2DyI/AAAAAAAACC0/9-7bPKnGmvA/s640/rustled.png

[Nirgon]

they need to nerf plugging

Thief

[Pseudechis]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nuV48D0p9Lk/T4fvWHT2DyI/AAAAAAAACC0/9-7bPKnGmvA/s640/rustled.png

How is that possibly rustled lol thought it was a pretty objective summary.

[heartbrand]

How is that possibly rustled lol thought it was a pretty objective summary.

u seem new 2 the ferems. dont bother responding 2 "u rustled" posts.

[HippoNipple]

How is that possibly rustled lol thought it was a pretty objective summary.

U rustled/Y u mad posts mean they don't like what you said but have nothing to add.

[heartbrand]

usually the person posting the rustle post is rustled

[Slathar]

What azrael call PvP is really just a dedicated gank squad, credit where credit is due they are quite practiced at it. They seek fights where it is 6 or 7 vs 1 . In 4 months I've seen 3 occurrences of pretty even PvP. Trak which holo won, VS that weekend which Holo won and generals on Sunday (which I quite enjoyed) which azrael won. Nearly all other yt happening is gank squads picking of lower level exp groups or catching individuals in the open. There may be a spattering of 1 v 1 and twink vs noob in there as well but let's not pretend like every time anyone enters pvp they don't fully commit unless they perceive the advantage. It's all about perspective, Azrael think they are doing good by roaming around with a practices squad of well geared players killing anything in range by keeping pvp alive but their only goal is to grief, they do not need to, nor do they truly want to, contest mobs for loot.

so we should just face each other with equal buffs, /duel and equal gear? welcome to eq pvp where shit isnt balanced and #s wins everytime unless you target the weak

get wrekt




NEXT

[snufzaimoverlord]

I think people forget they are playing everquest.

Balanced pvp, even fights, honor duels???

Our Zerg will crush your hopes and dreams, assimilate and repent, non believers.

[Pseudechis]

I don't think anywhere in my post I said anything bout equality in PvP. It will always be about people looking for the advantage. There will continue to rarely be even forces and gear. Just being clear that when azrael cries Zerg and by your own admission.above azrael itself looks to Zerg (7 v 1 is Zerging).

It's a numbers and gear advantage game. You'll look for those easy kills and occasionally even fights but even in the even fights (generals on Sunday) you had both gear and levels advantage. Whole point of my post is no one is interested in fair fights, least of all me. Everyone wants an advantage be it numbers, levels or gear. It's not about to change anytime soon and to cry Zerg when that's exactly what your guild does just at a different scale and for a different purpose ( grief instead of pixels) is kinda hypocritical.

I'm not worried bout the griefing or the zerging on either aide it's part of the game. Just don't try to pretend to be all holier than thou.....

[HippoNipple]

so we should just face each other with equal buffs, /duel and equal gear? welcome to eq pvp where shit isnt balanced and #s wins everytime unless you target the weak

get wrekt




NEXT

No talk of /duels in quoted post. Just putting egos in check by insulting the insignificant victories Azrael pretends matters and brags about.

[Pseudechis]

If last post was tldr. Short version, we are all cunts in this game just some of us admit it and some are in denial. It's ok though because it's just a game.

[Slathar]

No talk of /duels in quoted post. Just putting egos in check by insulting the insignificant victories Azrael pretends matters and brags about.

i have every item in the game and im only interested in pvping poorly geared scrubs :-)



NEXT

[HippoNipple]

i have every item in the game and im only interested in pvping poorly geared scrubs :-)



Everyone knows this.

[Pseudechis]

so we should just face each other with equal buffs, /duel and equal gear? welcome to eq pvp where shit isnt balanced and #s wins everytime unless you target the weak

get wrekt




NEXT

i have every item in the game and im only interested in pvping poorly geared scrubs :-)



NEXT

16 pages 158 posts. So back to LNS with the above in mind it should be maintained to protect undergeared scrubs from being griefed off the server by overgeared pricks....

[Slathar]

16 pages 158 posts. So back to LNS with the above in mind it should be maintained to protect undergeared scrubs from being griefed off the server by overgeared pricks....

NEXT

[Buhbuh]

Slathar needs to lock it up.

[ClubnRed]

Yeah might as well just let people camp everyone so we can literally have nobody on the server.

Good thinking.

[Akalakamelee]

It's rarely enforced just get rid of it

This dude is simply pissed because he can't corpse camp people until the corpse rots, i'm sorry your max gear AZ toon can't rule the server bro, shave your neck and go outside.

[SamwiseRed]

i like lns. its nice for people with real lives to be able to get their corpse before they log. samwise gives it 2 feet up.

[entruil]

i like lns. its nice for people with real lives to be able to get their corpse before they log. samwise gives it 2 feet up.

i respect alive people who get their corpse.

[Bazia]

just had to watch a group of 40 people desperately dodge pvp and then were rewarded

might as well just play blue now for fucks sake

[Akalakamelee]

just had to watch a group of 40 people desperately dodge pvp and then were rewarded

might as well just play blue now for fucks sake

Please do, your toxic. Let us know when your leaving so we can post "NEXT" in response.

[Slathar]

NEXT

[maverixdamighty]

just had to watch a group of 40 people desperately dodge pvp and then were rewarded

might as well just play blue now for fucks sake

then sirken DTs us all after they violate LNS and we kill the few of them in VP. Horseshit.

[Slathar]

Please do, your toxic. Let us know when your leaving so we can post "NEXT" in response.

YA GIT MAD TOXIC GRIEF TOXIC GRIEF


NEXT

[Akalakamelee]

AZ violates server rules constantly. Karma is a bitch huh?

[Cappa]

just had to watch a group of 40 people desperately dodge pvp and then were rewarded

might as well just play blue now for fucks sake

Seems to me that your group knew when we ported to West Commons, you guys had 3-4 groups at DL spires. You never ported in to engage. Then we hammered, which you also knew because Lite was in OT, and instead of coming to OT you ported to WC to engage stragglers, again only getting Aces and Maal. Then, you ran to VP but didnt try to engage, again just chased after stragglers. Now its FQ about how we avoid PvP. Plus at no point did we have 40 people. Its the same old broken record.

Back to normal. Shit's classic.

[maverixdamighty]

AZ violates server rules constantly. Karma is a bitch huh?

so you do it as well? Great logic. We granted your LNS from VP with only taking 3 deaths rather than 7 and then you guys attacked one of our members incoming to VP. Read the rules.

[Slathar]

Seems to me that your group knew when we ported to West Commons, you guys had 3-4 groups at DL spires. You never ported in to engage. Then we hammered, which you also knew because Lite was in OT, and instead of coming to OT you ported to WC to engage stragglers, again only getting Aces and Maal. Then, you ran to VP but didnt try to engage, again just chased after stragglers. Now its FQ about how we avoid PvP. Plus at no point did we have 40 people. Its the same old broken record.

Back to normal. Shit's classic.

HAHA UR MAD


NEXT

[maverixdamighty]

Seems to me that your group knew when we ported to West Commons, you guys had 3-4 groups at DL spires. You never ported in to engage. Then we hammered, which you also knew because Lite was in OT, and instead of coming to OT you ported to WC to engage stragglers, again only getting Aces and Maal. Then, you ran to VP but didnt try to engage, again just chased after stragglers. Now its FQ about how we avoid PvP. Plus at no point did we have 40 people. Its the same old broken record.

Back to normal. Shit's classic.

you had 39 guilded holocaust in Skyfire. Close enough to 40. You guys are the ones dodging pvp with superior #s.

[Cappa]

HAHA UR MAD


NEXT

/yawn

[Akalakamelee]

so you do it as well? Great logic. We granted your LNS from VP with only taking 3 deaths rather than 7 and then you guys attacked one of our members incoming to VP. Read the rules.

For the record, I'm not in holocaust on any character. I wasn't involved at all. Not sure where the 40 holo members were, certainly never in overthere. Ot didn't exceed 12 ppl all night

[Bazia]

watching a gm rez a raid that wiped on a dragon

[Akalakamelee]

watching a gm rez a raid that wiped on a dragon

Ss/Fraps or stfu. Your tears are salty.

[Troubled]

Undisputed PVP champ cleansing toxic scum and protecting them from breaking more rules. Good guy all around.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/346lyq9.jpg

[Bazia]

guild selos's away from pvp rushes dragon wipes gets gm rez

was a great battle

[Deluxeee]

Sounds blue, glad I wasn't there.

[Bidin]

watching a gm rez a raid that wiped on a dragon

do you not remember how Az got their first PD kill?

[Bazia]

wasnt around for that

[Farzo]

Make VP FFA PvP.

Dem million alt/retired bards/monks/SKS/necros be parked there perma.

[Sektor]

Make VP FFA PvP.

Dem million alt/retired bards/monks/SKS/necros be parked there perma.

[Smedy]

so a guild can die in pve and lns without getting YT? that's so god damn blue it sickens me, no YT no LNS in my world

[maverixdamighty]

so a guild can die in pve and lns without getting YT? that's so god damn blue it sickens me, no YT no LNS in my world

think we got 2-3 YTs, this was after them OOC'ing for guild LNS without any pvp, and then we granted them to LNS even though they wiped 100% on a non pvp encounter. Then while dango was running to VP he was attacked/killed by assault <holocaust> so that ended the guild LNS. After we killed the 3-4 holo in vp sirken DT'd us all because apparently he was too busy to check logs. He later rezzed back one of our clerics and forced holo to LNS and I believe booted a few out of the zone that were lingering.

[Bazia]

assault is skar's alt (one of the holo members participating in guild LNS) which made it even more ridiculous

[Smedy]

think we got 2-3 YTs, this was after them OOC'ing for guild LNS without any pvp, and then we granted them to LNS even though they wiped 100% on a non pvp encounter. Then while dango was running to VP he was attacked/killed by assault <holocaust> so that ended the guild LNS. After we killed the 3-4 holo in vp sirken DT'd us all because apparently he was too busy to check logs. He later rezzed back one of our clerics and forced holo to LNS and I believe booted a few out of the zone that were lingering.

dayum, they got kangaroo brain'd

[Stasis01]

So Az is still mad as fuck?

Sounds like fun...

[maverixdamighty]

So Az is still mad as fuck?

Sounds like fun...

don't believe you were even one of the corpses under silverwing. still spending time with the family over the holidays I assume?

[Stasis01]

I assume you're a weirdo.

[maverixdamighty]

I assume you're a weirdo.

you know what they say about assuming? Wait you probably don't...

[Andis]

bump for good thread

ITS TIME TO GET RID OF LNS

seriously this isnt blue

you need to fight for your corpse, or just log off

[heartbrand]

When you do die (you eventually will - its a PvP server) you have the option to Loot and Scoot, meaning you can get your corpse and leave the zone after being killed in PvP. No more forced corpse camping. No more bind camping. "Griefing" is next to impossible now

Ya, sounds like removing LnS is high on the GM list of things to do for sure.

[Deluxeee]

Lol, double sow sword too.

[Grimjaw]

LNS was a player-made rule and player-enforced in classic. these lame rules shouldn't be gm-enforced. let the players play the f'n game. in sandboxes devs create tools that allow players create the content. then gm just says no. fuck...

[heartbrand]

LNS was a player-made rule and player-enforced in classic. these lame rules shouldn't be gm-enforced. let the players play the f'n game. devs create the tools that allow players create content. then gm says no. fuck

Incorrect.

"Here is the response from CS regarding the policies..

On Rallos Zek, PvP-related Play Nice Policy situations are expected to be resolved using PvP solutions. However, Non PvP-related Play Nice Policy issues, such as training, causing intentional experience loss, bind point, zone, and portal camping, as well as other various forms of harassment, are not permitted in the PvP environment.

Of course everything depends on if we can prove their intentions or witness the actions in some way, so our response will be somewhat situational. With that said, the situation(s) that this person described would be handled as follows:

If raid X had yet to engage in the encounter, the raid should find a PvP solution.
If both raid X and Y engage simultaneously, they should find a PvP solution.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, raid X should find a PvP solution.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y by training, we will enforce the PnP."

[Burgerking]

Don't bind camp

Problem solved

When you can get your guildmates to stop bindcamping, THAN you can lecture others about their actions.

http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Colgate&ks=6

But I see a shit-ton of bindcamping on this kills list, which makes you a liar, a hypocrite, and a fucking whiner.

[Nirgon]

It's "THEN"

and when we raid you guys all roll out to the binds to make threads about it

Petty, sad etc

Try being a good sport sometime and not sending paragraphs of hate tells to people after any kind of pvp occurs

Maybe then 80 people won't come to our door step... it's one thing to cry zerg it is another to completely alienate yourselves as a 30 man new player grief squad and deal with the consequences

[fred schnarf]

last time i played in red dawn we tried gore, we did a good attempt but wiped ( no one got any heals as usual )

nihilum camped our corpses and no one got a rez, i logged in next day , looted and never played again.

same toxic shit here imo.

also , azraels first kill on phara dar was similar bullshit. If i remember they got gm rezz'es

[Burgerking]

It's "THEN"

and when we raid you guys all roll out to the binds to make threads about it

Petty, sad etc

Try being a good sport sometime and not sending paragraphs of hate tells to people after any kind of pvp occurs

Maybe then 80 people won't come to our door step... it's one thing to cry zerg it is another to completely alienate yourselves as a 30 man new player grief squad and deal with the consequences

If you guys didn't act like a buncha whiny crybabies running from PvP all the damned time and then rolling onto the forums to talk shit, I wouldn't be forced to kill you guys on CR.

But if you think you're gonna talk a whole buncha shit and I'm gonna let you hide and avoid YT then you sir are sadly mistaken.

[vouss]

Nirgon just read out the charter of a dream guild 2 me

would be tough to cope with aon epic and crown of rile tho

[Akalakamelee]

bump for good thread

ITS TIME TO GET RID OF LNS

seriously this isnt blue

you need to fight for your corpse, or just log off

The problem with removing LNS rules is high end pvp guilds would simply camp a corpse until it rots. So in the end it would kill server population. On live their was rules against zone camping, bind camping, and corpse camping. Zone hopping or zone dancing or whatever you want to call it was actually against the rules and could (and did I'm my case) lead to a warning.

Simply put LNS is a needed rule, and in the end is actually more pvp friendly then original live rules.

[maverixdamighty]

LNS was not intended to allow guilds to wipe to pve content then send a sacrificial lamb to eat a YT and claim GUILD LNS. save that for the blue server.

[bouncerr 2.0]

lawl

[daasgoot]

shits weak

[Drakaris]

assault is skar's alt (one of the holo members participating in guild LNS) which made it even more ridiculous

So your chanter can cast offensive spells like tash and rapture and if I kill him I breach lns? azrael have mastered fqing and Gm manipulation. Seriously get fucked mate. I'll eat a suspension, send a screenshot with a dotted up and tashed character with the yt in the chat log and get unsuspended if you want to play that game.

I've also got your buddy ragnaros spamming me with tells on skar after the wpe saying we are going to get corpse camped. Personally I don't have time for that shit, and it's pretty lame that you avoid mass pvp to wait for a wipe to corpse camp a guild. Pvp is fine to contest but don't be a bunch of griefers. They called guild lns to loot up and gtfo, if you can't honor that and intend to lock everyone's corpses in vp to grief the more casual server population then I don't know what else to say.

[maverixdamighty]

So your chanter can cast offensive spells like tash and rapture and if I kill him I breach lns? azrael have mastered fqing and Gm manipulation. Seriously get fucked mate. I'll eat a suspension, send a screenshot with a dotted up and tashed character with the yt in the chat log and get unsuspended if you want to play that game.

I've also got your buddy ragnaros spamming me with tells on skar after the wpe saying we are going to get corpse camped. Personally I don't have time for that shit, and it's pretty lame that you avoid mass pvp to wait for a wipe to corpse camp a guild. Pvp is fine to contest but don't be a bunch of griefers.

post any logs of this happening. Sirken apparently was ready to ban/suspend you, so clearly he didn't see you being cast prior to you engaging.

[Steel Warrior]

then sirken DTs us all after they violate LNS and we kill the few of them in VP. Horseshit.

You sound extremely rustled. Also immersed.

[maverixdamighty]

You sound extremely rustled. Also immersed.

So rustled that holo lost yet another nearly double the #s encounters! pras silverwing.

[Drakaris]

post any logs of this happening. Sirken apparently was ready to ban/suspend you, so clearly he didn't see you being cast prior to you engaging.

He casted 1 dispel, removing pyrocuror (top slotted) 1 mez, got broken by necro charmed pet, I started meleeing, 1 tash and he zoned over after me in kc to dl. I get home after New Years, so if Assault gets suspended until then it's fine. I will send what I got but I'm sure sirken can check the server logs until then and confirm Dango was on the offensive before deliberately taking a pvp death for petition quest purposes.

[maverixdamighty]

He casted 1 dispel, removing pyrocuror (top slotted) 1 mez, got broken by necro charmed pet, I started meleeing, 1 tash and he zoned over after me in kc to dl. I get home after New Years, so if Assault gets suspended until then it's fine. I will send what I got but I'm sure sirken can check the server logs until then and confirm Dango was on the offensive before deliberately taking a pvp death for petition quest purposes.

sounds legit. dango pvps you in kc with this group then zones over to dl to die. would not read again.

[Drakaris]

sounds legit. dango pvps you in kc with this group then zones over to dl to die. would not read again.

Pretty much what happened.

[Burgerking]

I've also got your buddy ragnaros spamming me with tells on skar after the wpe saying we are going to get corpse camped. Personally I don't have time for that shit, and it's pretty lame that you avoid mass pvp to wait for a wipe to corpse camp a guild. Pvp is fine to contest but don't be a bunch of griefers.

Oh REALLY? Kind of like you sending me hate tells when I enter your zone, meanwhile you sent the tells after you already began to camp.

[maverixdamighty]

Pretty much what happened.

would be more believable if it was a mob that was doing that to you. silverwing have a brother in kc/dl?

[Drakaris]

Oh REALLY? Kind of like you sending me hate tells when I enter your zone, meanwhile you sent the tells after you already began to camp.

Don't think I've sent burgerking a tell on any of my characters. You getting confused with someone else?

[Burgerking]

Don't think I've sent burgerking a tell on any of my characters. You getting confused with someone else?

You lying ass biznitch, I logged into KC saw Drakar in zone, immediately i get tells from Drakar talking shit about me being in Azrael, go to reply while I'm hunting you down, Drakar is offline.

[maverixdamighty]

You lying ass biznitch, I logged into KC saw Drakar in zone, immediately i get tells from Drakar talking shit about me being in Azrael, go to reply while I'm hunting you down, Drakar is offline.

he was probably on guild LNS after dying in a pve encounter then too?

[Drakaris]

would be more believable if it was a mob that was doing that to you. silverwing have a brother in kc/dl?

No mobs can rapture and tash in kc, sounds like your trolling the thread.

[maverixdamighty]

No mobs can rapture and tash in kc, sounds like your trolling the thread.

you're.

NEXT

[Drakaris]

You lying ass biznitch, I logged into KC saw Drakar in zone, immediately i get tells from Drakar talking shit about me being in Azrael, go to reply while I'm hunting you down, Drakar is offline.

Weren't you just yting Colgate in cabilis? Sounds like you are trolling too.

[Ragnaros]

Ragnaros Azrael Drakar Karnor's Castle 0.41 December 27 2014 5:57:22 PM
Ragnaros Azrael Drakar Karnor's Castle 0.46 December 27 2014 5:34:07 PM
This guy fucking SUCKS

[maverixdamighty]

Weren't you just yting Colgate in cabilis? Sounds like you are trolling too.

how is he trolling? He did YT colgate in cabilis. #truth #cleanteeth

[vouss]

lol

[Drakaris]

Here I was genuinely hoping you guys turned over a new leaf. Why does azrael attract toxic players?

Anyways going back to sleep, got a 50 km bicycle ride to Sydney Olympic park and back in a couple hours.

[maverixdamighty]

Here I was genuinely hoping you guys turned over a new leaf. Why does azrael attract toxic players?

Anyways going back to sleep, got a 50 km bicycle ride to Sydney Olympic park in a couple hours.

don't attack someone out there and then claim they tashed/raptured you first. good luck!

[JayN]

shit box is shit, fuck grievers

[Drakaris]

don't attack someone out there and then claim they tashed/raptured you first. good luck!

Lol, dispelled / raptured / tashed in that order ;)

[maverixdamighty]

Lol, dispelled / raptured / tashed in that order ;)

my bad man, but seriously if you get attacked by a necro pet somewhere in there you need to haul @ss!

[Drakaris]

my bad man, but seriously if you get attacked by a necro pet somewhere in there you need to haul @ss!

A charmed skeletal guardian. Necros charm shit all the time in kc.

[vouss]

Go to bed already

[maverixdamighty]

A charmed skeletal guardian. Necros charm shit all the time in kc.

it's still his pet pal. Anyways hope you don't encounter that on your bike ride!

[Nirgon]

You lying ass biznitch, I logged into KC saw Drakar in zone, immediately i get tells from Drakar talking shit about me being in Azrael, go to reply while I'm hunting you down, Drakar is offline.

you turn on logs yet? or still calling everyone a liar with no prof?

/log on

[maverixdamighty]

you turn on logs yet? or still calling everyone a liar with no prof?

/log on

you realize your guildmate skar just did the exact same thing, idiot.

dango attacked me first with a full group of azrael in kc. also at this same time ragnaros was spamming him. where are the logs/ss's?

[Nirgon]

I don't know why doesn't Dango produce them or Skar

[Drakaris]

you realize your guildmate skar just did the exact same thing, idiot.

dango attacked me first with a full group of azrael in kc. also at this same time ragnaros was spamming him. where are the logs/ss's?

As stated im not at home and legit did not think I would have to get logs / screenshots up and running unless I was actually suspended. (I can't sleep either). You guys are also claiming I breached guild lns with no proof. I do not see how a y/t of a fully geared character that engaged in pvp in kc/dl at their own accord correlates to guild lns in vp.

[maverixdamighty]

As stated im not at home and legit did not think I would have to get logs / screenshots up and running unless I was actually suspended. (I can't sleep either). You guys are also claiming I breached guild lns with no proof. I do not see how a y/t of a fully geared character that engaged in pvp in kc/dl at their own accord correlates to guild lns in vp.

it's he said she said, but sirken was ready to ban/suspend you so i'm going on that side without having been there. have fun riding.

[Drakaris]

it's he said she said, but sirken was ready to ban/suspend you so i'm going on that side without having been there. have fun riding.

Then I would have a reason to post logs and screenshots in the petition forums. I respect staff and don't wish to undermine their authority here.

You know I'm good for it and have fraps also readily available. I may permanently run it on overwrite mode if you want to start playing the game like this, I've got a 512gb ssd so performance/ storage won't be an issue.

[Ragnaros]

Drakar sucks he died to me twice while I was playing with one hand
Ragnaros Azrael Drakar Karnor's Castle 0.41 December 27 2014 5:57:22 PM
Ragnaros Azrael Drakar Karnor's Castle 0.46 December 27 2014 5:34:07 PM

[Buhbuh]

Brobb's awfully quiet.

[maverixdamighty]

Brobb's awfully quiet.

sirken spoke for him by offering to suspend assault.

[Drakaris]

sirken spoke for him by offering to suspend assault.

That is because he was fed misinformation, which can easily be cleared up.

We're all only human and sirken is being a great lead Gm by talking to both sides. He was not aware that Dango actively participated in pvp against assault before apparently throwing the kill.

[vouss]

I don't think I've ever agreed with Drakar on anything before, but if Sirken offered to suspend him he is probably 100% clean

[Ragnaros]

did i mention I farmed drakar because he sucks?

[Colgate]

ragnaros has 209 deaths

two

hundred

nine

[maverixdamighty]

ragnaros has 209 deaths

two

hundred

nine

he probably also has the most kills? he likes to pvp and doesn't seem to care much about going up against your zerg odds even if he's solo. not my play style but he enjoys it and he obviously gets plenty of holo kills.

[Drakaris]

did i mention I farmed drakar because he sucks?

Lol, so you deciding to corpse camp my naked necro while ur guild is extending the olive branch means I suck? Guess who's parking characters in kc on the regular to return the favour with your guilds farm sessions?

1 Verix key and 2 yts so far. Hope it was worth those naked kills.

[maverixdamighty]

Lol, so you deciding to corpse camp my naked necro while ur guild is extending the olive branch means I suck? Guess who's parking characters in kc on the regular to return the favour with your guilds farm sessions?

1 Verix key and 2 yts so far. Hope it was worth those naked kills.

pretty sure we did the same yesterday. only difference is you guys camp out when we load in there or evac out.