Guns are banned, people still died.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Time to ban knives! (http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/19/at-least-seven-children-killed-in-mass-stabbing-in-cairns)

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Only the lowest forms of life use anecdotal evidence. So this checks out. Kill yourself.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4noXXq_TIU

[iruinedyourday]

Only the lowest forms of life use anecdotal evidence. So this checks out. Kill yourself.

He's right you know...

[iruinedyourday]

NOW TELL ME WHAT THE POINTS ARE!!

[iruinedyourday]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/EQ/fuckmylife.gif

[Glenzig]

So 8 children died, and all you're concerned about is whether or not a gun was used. Awesome.

[Buriedpast]

Id like to explain gun culture to you, as an Australian. Also, how it relates to other arms carry like knives, and social interactions, policing and civility etc.

But sadly I think you'll miss the points entirely, and gain nothing from the exposure to a nearly 100% gun crime free societies persons. And having travelled the US extensively, and work with yanks to coon arses all over the world (amongst 200 other nationalities I'm in contact with often from all walks of life) I'll let you appreciate my summation is not personal. You simply don't comprehend it.

RIP to those poor Torres straight islander kids who suffered at the hands of who knows, and for what ever reason. No child should be exposed to that potential danger. Very sad day.

[maerilith]

Time to ban knives! (http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/19/at-least-seven-children-killed-in-mass-stabbing-in-cairns)

https://i.imgur.com/8AENE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8AENE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8AENE.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

How to fake being Australian... like really shittily:
Id like to explain gun culture to you, as an Australian. Also, how it relates to other arms carry like knives, and social interactions, policing and civility etc.

But sadly I think you'll miss the points entirely, and gain nothing from the exposure to a nearly 100% gun crime free societies persons. And having travelled the US extensively, and work with yanks to coon arses all over the world (amongst 200 other nationalities I'm in contact with often from all walks of life) I'll let you appreciate my summation is not personal. You simply don't comprehend it.

RIP to those poor Torres straight islander kids who suffered at the hands of who knows, and for what ever reason. No child should be exposed to that potential danger. Very sad day.

Also please tell that to the families of the people who died in the Sydney cafe debacle last week. You know, the one where it took them 16 fucking hours to take out one crazy person who went in knowing there wasn't even a chance that the people within could defend themselves. Keep patting yourself on the back for your progressivism for the sake of progress.

Not ten years ago people used to actually respect that nation for being one not to take bullshit.

[Faron]

Thankfully no guns were used, otherwise these people would be deaderer.

[Rararboker]

Lol, if you think gun laws do anything to stop criminals from getting them, your probably stupid. I'd suggest a stupid test ASAP.


Where I'm from (CA) it is so easy to buy an illegal gun that the option becomes available to most people around high school. In fact, during my time there, I remember one particular kid hustling them daily. And this is a high school that had a school shooting in the past. Yet guns are still available on campus?

Forget about it. Real criminals have it even easier than that too.

[Rararboker]

As an addition, there is the possibility that you aren't stupid if you think that. But usually that also implies you lived an incredibly sheltered life. Please go experience the real world.

[loramin]

Lol, if you think gun laws do anything to stop criminals from getting them, your probably stupid. I'd suggest a stupid test ASAP.

It really depends on the country. In Canada and America the cat is already out of the bag, but if you go to most European countries gun laws do work, and gun violence is significantly less common in those countries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

For instance (all numbers are per 100k citizens):
United Kingdom 0.25
France: 3.01
United States 10.30

The funny thing though is that Canada, with easy access to guns, has an even lower rate than France:

Canada 2.22 (per 100k citizens)

See: Bowling for Columbine.

[Lictor]

Probably has more the do with Americas culture of violence and ~14% black population compared to Canada's culture and ~3 % black population, than gun laws.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Not into cultural marxist fuckwits, sorry.

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/hNMNcZG.png

[katrik]

http://i.imgur.com/hNMNcZG.png

[Gustoo]

Gun violence isnt the issue. Violence and crime is and making guns illegal for good citizens does nothing to make honest johns safer. It does make it safer for strong armed robbers and the like though..so thats nice.

[hatelore]

Thankfully no guns were used, otherwise these people would be deaderer.

The only relevant post in this thread that is making this thread semi relevant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59cg62wqpY

[loramin]

Yeah it isn't an issue of guns at all. People who want to commit crimes, commit crimes. People who want to kill someone, kill someone.

Because no one ever accidentally shot anyone *cough* Cheney *cough*.

And even if they did, just look at all those statistics on people accidentally getting knifed to death; it's totally the same thing.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Because no one ever accidentally shot anyone *cough* Cheney *cough*.

And even if they did, just look at all those statistics on people accidentally getting knifed to death; it's totally the same thing.

Let's ban cars then.

[loramin]

Let's ban cars then.

Totally; just like guns they serve no useful purpose :rolleyes:

Seriously though, I'm not anti-gun ownership in America. Like I said, the cat is already out of the bag here. Plus some idiotic judicial interpretation of our constitution (that completed ignored the "a well regulated militia" part of the 2nd amendment) has ensured that even if we wanted to we could never put the cat back in the bag.

Also, my father-in-law sells gun lockers and goes hunting like every other week, so if I was anti-gun ownership family get-togethers would be VERY awkward ;)

But at the same time, if you look at the statistics of countries that didn't let the cat out of the bag, it's plainly obvious that they have a lot few gun deaths per capita. So, in those countries I'm absolutely in favor of gun prohibition: it's just indisputable that their gun laws have saved thousands of lives (and saved many more people from lifelong injuries).

[Aviann]

Totally; just like guns they serve no useful purpose :rolleyes:



Come live where I live, and then tell me a gun serves no purpose. You'd learn the quick way.

[loramin]

Heh, I think you know what I meant, but even so I get your point. I'd argue though that whatever problem you have that a gun would solve could instead by a police force that actually does their damn job.

[loramin]

er instead be solved by

[Pokesan]

I was gonna yell at you for being a moron, but here's a video instead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4AchHTN-XQ

happy holidays

[Sidelle]

Heh, I think you know what I meant, but even so I get your point. I'd argue though that whatever problem you have that a gun would solve could instead by a police force that actually does their damn job.
I think for the most part cops respond as fast as they can, but even the best and fastest police force in the world won't always get there in time to save the frantic and helpless 911 caller. Take the lady in this news story, for example. Turns out, she wasn't so helpless after all. :D

Arizona Woman Shoots Intruder (http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/09/04/dramatic-911-call-arizona-woman-shoots-intruder-cops-arrive)

"They've tried my front door, my front door, and now they're trying to break in my back gate…," Cynthia tells the 911 operator at one point. "I have a gun in my hands. I'm terrified."

Later, "Somebody is on my back porch." And then, "Please help me, please!" as the operator assures her that help is on the way.

"They're coming out as fast as they can," the operator says. "Have you heard any voices?"

Cynthia: "Hurry, hurry! They're coming in right now, please, please, please!

As it turns out, the police weren't coming quickly enough. Lewis broke into the bathroom and started attacking Cynthia. So she shot him.

Lewis: "Ow! (Expletive.) What was that? What was that? What was that? (Expletive) did you do?"

Her answer was classic. "Did you think you could beat me half to death?"

Lewis: "I'm sorry. I'm sorry..."

Cynthia: "You bet you're sorry you nasty thing."

^^^LOL, I love that last part... Maybe next time that piece of shit will think twice before breaking into houses and attacking people.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm fine with not banning guns I'm not fine with not banning air 15s. You don't need them.

Six round magazine max. Be reasonable.

[Faron]

I'm fine with not banning guns I'm not fine with not banning air 15s. You don't need them.

Six round magazine max. Be reasonable.

How could you or the government possibly know what I "need"?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'm fine with not banning guns I'm not fine with not banning air 15s. You don't need them.

Six round magazine max. Be reasonable.

You are the quintessential fucking moron. People should have the right to own a fucking attack helicopter if they so desire. Get off your fucking high horse already.

[Jarnauga]

exactly, iran should have the right to access nukes if they want to, basic human right ffs

[iruinedyourday]

You are the quintessential fucking moron. People should have the right to own a fucking attack helicopter if they so desire. Get off your fucking high horse already.

I'll get off my high horse when you get out of your sewer hole.

By your logic, areas that are under high fire alert should allow fireworks even though when that's been legal fires start and burnt down houses all the time.

You're wrong people shouldn't be allowed to have an attack helicopter if they wanted to. That's the dumbest fucking opinion I've heard yet.

[jarshale]

I'm fine with not banning guns I'm not fine with not banning air 15s. You don't need them.

Six round magazine max. Be reasonable.

AR15s aren't magically more lethal than any other gun.

[Aviann]

I wouldn't mind having a revolver, but a bolt action 12 does the same job plus more. Can kill anything I want to eat aside from a deer, and still have protection for my home in case of invasion. I hope to never have to use it for the latter, but I will be protected if it comes down to it.

[Faron]

AR15s aren't magically more lethal than any other gun.

This. People customize them with military-looking plastic accessories and use a scary word to describe them (assault), and the ignorant think they are machine guns. These are basic rifles much like the wood stock kind you see at walmart that are benign in the eyes of most.

[iruinedyourday]

AR15s aren't magically more lethal than any other gun.

You're right they are in reality more lethal.

[jarshale]

You're right they are in reality more lethal.

How so

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

exactly, iran should have the right to access nukes if they want to, basic human right ffs
I don't see your argument here. They already do.
By your logic, areas that are under high fire alert should allow fireworks even though when that's been legal fires start and burnt down houses all the time.

You're wrong people shouldn't be allowed to have an attack helicopter if they wanted to. That's the dumbest fucking opinion I've heard yet.

Prove it.

Care to back up your statement with something more than "you're wrong"?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You're right they are in reality more lethal.

In a domestic context, statistically hand guns are "more lethal" than any assault rifle.

[iruinedyourday]

Yea sure: www.google.com

[jarshale]

Yea sure: www.google.com

come on, son.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

It's alright. Iruinedyourday hasn't been the same ever since the FTC started investigating his waifu Anita Sarkeesian.

[iruinedyourday]

I've just learned there is no point arguing with y'all. But I don't want to totally abandon the rnf rage war cause

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I ran out of ways to spin facts to attempt to fit my narrative so now I'm just gonna shitpost.

[iruinedyourday]

fuck you kaga fuck your fucking face u fucking fuck

[Aviann]

We just need to ban sharp cutlery and cars next and we will be set... Meth too, let's ban that too

[Estolcles]

We just need to ban sharp cutlery and cars next and we will be set... Meth too, let's ban that too

Banning cars would be interesting. It'd be easy to see the people using an illegal car, catching them would be a lot harder, though.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

fuck you kaga fuck your fucking face u fucking fuck

This right here pretty much.

[Estolcles]

And score 1 for Kagatob. Score is 0-1 between IRuin and Kaga, Kaga in the lead.

[iruinedyourday]

Oh no fucking kagas face is what I am here for.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Not enough memes on my phone to portray my reaction.

[Faron]

We just need to ban sharp cutlery and cars next and we will be set... Meth too, let's ban that too

Cars, yes I agree. I mean, you don't need that car you drive, right iruinedyourday?

[Ahldagor]

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq345/HugMyNuts/ih3240_zps2f8d9219.jpg

[Swish]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m259/jeffman52001/gang0.jpg

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

You are the quintessential fucking moron. People should have the right to own a fucking attack helicopter if they so desire. Get off your fucking high horse already.

This right here is all the proof anyone should ever need to just ignore this fool. Absolutist libertarians are the most backward, childish and irrational people on the political scene right now. If they ever got their way the world would turn into the dystopian future reality from back to the future part 2. Serious intellectuals view this shit as drivel that merely serves to justify what has been historically framed as the cruelty and excess of the bourgeoisie.

In this day and age this line of thought makes even less sense than when Ayn Rand cooked up the vile concept. () (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM)Facts bounce off these idiots since the only baseline they have for value judgments is whether or not the state interfered with the free action of an individual, and their only measure of morality is strictly tied to profit. Every previous ethical system ever created by man frames this line of thought as evil.

One of the best parts about this is that kagatob is apparently a star trek fan, and also poor. Gene Roddenberry was a confirmed humanist liberal, and would hate kagatob's guts, like most clear thinking fact-loving humans would. He espouses a value system that is designed to make him a powerless wage-slave, and he doesn't seem to even realize the incongruity in either case. In a fair world, using your brain to think these thoughts at the same time would be grounds for a speech-impairing stroke.

He actually began this thread by saying, "Look, a man killed children with a knife, this invalidates the reasoning behind gun control." This disqualifies you from being taken seriously by anyone with a shred of critical thinking ability. The worst part is that you think that you're the smart guy in the room. I assure you, that is not the case, at least while I'm here. I truly hope you join your failure of a mother in an early grave. Fuck you to death.

[slydexx]

Governments have killed over 200 million people in the last century, only they should have guns!
Thank you mommy Government

[Aviann]

Governments have killed over 200 million people in the last century, only they should have guns!
Thank you mommy Government

it's time to find something more lethal than guns... Maybe bleach with a massive expansion agent.

[Aviann]

This right here is all the proof anyone should ever need to just ignore this fool. Absolutist libertarians are the most backward, childish and irrational people on the political scene right now. If they ever got their way the world would turn into the dystopian future reality from back to the future part 2. Serious intellectuals view this shit as drivel that merely serves to justify what has been historically framed as the cruelty and excess of the bourgeoisie.

In this day and age this line of thought makes even less sense than when Ayn Rand cooked up the vile concept. () (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM)Facts bounce off these idiots since the only baseline they have for value judgments is whether or not the state interfered with the free action of an individual, and their only measure of morality is strictly tied to profit. Every previous ethical system ever created by man frames this line of thought as evil.

One of the best parts about this is that kagatob is apparently a star trek fan, and also poor. Gene Roddenberry was a confirmed humanist liberal, and would hate kagatob's guts, like most clear thinking fact-loving humans would. He espouses a value system that is designed to make him a powerless wage-slave, and he doesn't seem to even realize the incongruity in either case. In a fair world, using your brain to think these thoughts at the same time would be grounds for a speech-impairing stroke.

He actually began this thread by saying, "Look, a man killed children with a knife, this invalidates the reasoning behind gun control." This disqualifies you from being taken seriously by anyone with a shred of critical thinking ability. The worst part is that you think that you're the smart guy in the room. I assure you, that is not the case, at least while I'm here. I truly hope you join your failure of a mother in an early grave. Fuck you to death.

Does absolutist libertarians mean anarchists (European libertarians) as well? If so, who fucking cares? You do.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

This right here is all the proof anyone should ever need to just ignore this fool. Absolutist libertarians are the most backward, childish and irrational people on the political scene right now. If they ever got their way the world would turn into the dystopian future reality from back to the future part 2.

Hover boards, weather control, hover cars and self-lacing sneakers = dystopian future? Do you even know what dystopian means?

You talk about non-facts (or whatever the hell you meant by 'facts bounce off of...') yet I see you chose not to address the fact that if there wasn't a nationwide firearm ban, the people who died in the 16 hour long hostage situation likely wouldn't of been put into danger in the first place. You do realize that nearly every mass shooting in history has happened in a "gun free zone" right? You also realize that Chicago's violent crime rate has fucking plummeted since they re-instated concealed carry don't you?

Your feeble understanding of Gene Roddenberry's vision is laughable as well.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Does absolutist libertarians mean anarchists (European libertarians) as well? If so, who fucking cares? You do.

I'm not an absolutest libertarian, I do however see the reality that you can do a quick search and find the recipe for an atomic device or many other massively destructive items. I also realize that the second amendment was designed to keep the power in the hands of the citizens in the event that the government became what they, the forefathers, hated the most. Handguns, AR15s and anything else that shoots mere bullets will not even slow down the war machine that is the US military. A well regulated militia should at least have access to anti air tecnhology or anti armor to create the illusion of 'fairness'.

[Buriedpast]

I'd like to point out a few facts.

The mother stabbed the children.
The mother and partner have no history of domestic violence (source/ family members in govt DV dept.)
A 20 year old man walked into his house to find 6 of his brothers and sisters dead on the floor.
There's a dozen police officers and ambulance officers who's entire Christmas, and sense of reality is much destroyed by the sight and are in counseling.

Settle down, it's a tragedy and sad, and shocks this entire nation to the core. You have to keep in mind that down here, murders are so rare they're investigated, and even 30 year old cold cases have (in Queensland alone) 6 senior detectives working on them. That's how little homicide there is. Gun crime is nearly unheard of in fact.

I really feel sorry for you that you seem to want to push an agenda on a country you have no idea about obviously, when frankly no one I know in Australia even wants to own or ever see a gun. We're pretty darn happy knowing even at the worst of violent crime we won't have a gun pulled on us. It's a good way to be.

[Heebee]

Frankly no one I know in Australia even wants to own or ever see a gun. We're pretty darn happy knowing even at the worst of violent crime we won't have a gun pulled on us. It's a good way to be.

100% truth right here.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'd like to point out a few facts.

The mother stabbed the children.
The mother and partner have no history of domestic violence (source/ family members in govt DV dept.)
A 20 year old man walked into his house to find 6 of his brothers and sisters dead on the floor.
There's a dozen police officers and ambulance officers who's entire Christmas, and sense of reality is much destroyed by the sight and are in counseling.

Settle down, it's a tragedy and sad, and shocks this entire nation to the core. You have to keep in mind that down here, murders are so rare they're investigated, and even 30 year old cold cases have (in Queensland alone) 6 senior detectives working on them. That's how little homicide there is. Gun crime is nearly unheard of in fact.

I really feel sorry for you that you seem to want to push an agenda on a country you have no idea about obviously, when frankly no one I know in Australia even wants to own or ever see a gun. We're pretty darn happy knowing even at the worst of violent crime we won't have a gun pulled on us. It's a good way to be.

Such an enlightened post. I'm sure the family members of the people who died in the cafe last week feel the same way.

[Faron]

I really feel sorry for you that you seem to want to push an agenda on a country you have no idea about obviously, when frankly no one I know in Australia even wants to own or ever see a gun. We're pretty darn happy knowing even at the worst of violent crime we won't have a gun pulled on us. It's a good way to be.

Gun or knife, does it really matter when one is pointed at your chest?

And maybe you can sleep at night knowing you've handed your government another little piece of your rights, but we are above that.

[iruinedyourday]

Gun or knife, does it really matter when one is pointed at your chest?

And maybe you can sleep at night knowing you've handed your government another little piece of your rights, but we are above that.

its cool the riot police will bust in your door and put you to sleep.

if you wanna talk about rights, gun control is far from a real issue.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

its cool the riot police will bust in your door and put you to sleep.

if you wanna talk about rights, gun control is far from a real issue.

This is what rape apologists like you actually believe. You are a parody of yourselves.

[iruinedyourday]

lol wat

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

lol wat

You.

Rape apologist.

What's not to get?

[iruinedyourday]

whats it like having never been on a subway?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Such a sore loser this one.

[iruinedyourday]

guy talks like yoda and calls me a loser.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Not even close dude.

"Sore loser, this one is such" if you wanted to stretch it.

Failhouse.

[iruinedyourday]

oh i dont really read your posts ne way

[Jarnauga]

Such an enlightened post. I'm sure the family members of the people who died in the cafe last week feel the same way.

9/11 happened because nobody was allowed a gun in the plane ?

[iruinedyourday]

9/11 happened because nobody was allowed a gun in the plane ?

this is a good point i no longer feel safe on earth without a gun

[Faron]

this is a good point i no longer feel safe on earth without a gun

You can sing that liberal nonsense all you want, but when Tyrone kicks down your door you'll be singing a different tune. I have a gun that I can get to fast, and I'm trained to use it - the fact is my life is safer than yours.

[iruinedyourday]

You can sing that liberal nonsense all you want, but when Tyrone kicks down your door you'll be singing a different tune. I have a gun that I can get to fast, and I'm trained to use it - the fact is my life is safer than yours.

dude everyone needs a gun at the ready at all times obviously I also think we should loosen up the laws against shooting people obviously that is what we need to be safe because people are kicking down doors

[Faron]

dude everyone needs a gun at the ready at all times obviously I also think we should loosen up the laws against shooting people obviously that is what we need to be safe because people are kicking down doors

See these idiots? They think they live in a world where crime doesn't ever happen. It hasn't happened to them, therefore it doesn't happen to anyone ever. That's the logic.

[iruinedyourday]

the fact is my life is safer than yours.

settle down, if you wanna call someone an idiot think about how you jsut said that owning a gun factually makes your life safer, when statisticaly you are in more of a danger with one than without.

So the fact is your life is less safer than mine.

Its just your opinion that your life is safer, bruh.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

See these idiots? They think they live in a world where crime doesn't ever happen. It hasn't happened to them, therefore it doesn't happen to anyone ever. That's the logic.

It's known as privilege. Privilege that they project on others constantly.

[Sidelle]

http://i.imgur.com/xMHtBKI.jpg

[Faron]

settle down, if you wanna call someone an idiot think about how you jsut said that owning a gun factually makes your life safer, when statisticaly you are in more of a danger with one than without.

So the fact is your life is less safer than mine.

Its just your opinion that your life is safer, bruh.

Delusional nonsense. Someone breaks into my house, I am in an infinitely better position to survive than you. Why? Because I'm armed, and not only armed but trained. Statistics don't defend you from people who want to do you harm, dummy.

[iruinedyourday]

Delusional nonsense. Someone breaks into my house, I am in an infinitely better position to survive than you. Why? Because I'm armed, and not only armed but trained. Statistics don't defend you from people who want to do you harm, dummy.

http://img.pandawhale.com/144803-yeah-well-you-know-thats-just-V3JW.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Look at this rape apologist.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I call bullshit on statistically safer to not own a gun. You are , without a doubt, safer if an intruder breaks into your home and you have a weapon ready. If you are trying to say the people who own guns, criminals and all, are statistically getting into more trouble, I'd have to call bullshit on that too. There are probably far more criminals doing shit without a gun then with one. Because not all criminals can afford guns.

Pretty sure the rape apologist is referring to accidental discharge related deaths which is of course the fault of the individual gun owners and not the fault of the guns themselves.

[iruinedyourday]

I call bullshit on statistically safer to not own a gun. You are , without a doubt, safer if an intruder breaks into your home and you have a weapon ready. If you are trying to say the people who own guns, criminals and all, are statistically getting into more trouble, I'd have to call bullshit on that too. There are probably far more criminals doing shit without a gun then with one. Because not all criminals can afford guns.

The reason its proven safer to not own a gun is because accidents happen more often than murderers breaking into houses.

Its not something you can call bull shit on, statistics arnt the same as opinions. You simply cannot say, I call bull shit that 4+4=8 I totally think it =10.

[Faron]

The reason its proven safer to not own a gun

Yes or no, when someone breaks into your house, are you safer with a gun in your hand or unarmed?

[Vidar]

The reason its proven safer to not own a gun is because accidents happen more often than murderers breaking into houses.

Its not something you can call bull shit on, statistics arnt the same as opinions. You simply cannot say, I call bull shit that 4+4=8 I totally think it =10.

Well, 'accidents' happen because people are stupid. Every member of my family has owned a gun for years. No one has had an accident yet. So don't be stupid and you wont do stupid things.

[Daldolma]

This right here is all the proof anyone should ever need to just ignore this fool. Absolutist libertarians are the most backward, childish and irrational people on the political scene right now. If they ever got their way the world would turn into the dystopian future reality from back to the future part 2. Serious intellectuals view this shit as drivel that merely serves to justify what has been historically framed as the cruelty and excess of the bourgeoisie.

In this day and age this line of thought makes even less sense than when Ayn Rand cooked up the vile concept. () (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM)Facts bounce off these idiots since the only baseline they have for value judgments is whether or not the state interfered with the free action of an individual, and their only measure of morality is strictly tied to profit. Every previous ethical system ever created by man frames this line of thought as evil.

One of the best parts about this is that kagatob is apparently a star trek fan, and also poor. Gene Roddenberry was a confirmed humanist liberal, and would hate kagatob's guts, like most clear thinking fact-loving humans would. He espouses a value system that is designed to make him a powerless wage-slave, and he doesn't seem to even realize the incongruity in either case. In a fair world, using your brain to think these thoughts at the same time would be grounds for a speech-impairing stroke.

He actually began this thread by saying, "Look, a man killed children with a knife, this invalidates the reasoning behind gun control." This disqualifies you from being taken seriously by anyone with a shred of critical thinking ability. The worst part is that you think that you're the smart guy in the room. I assure you, that is not the case, at least while I'm here. I truly hope you join your failure of a mother in an early grave. Fuck you to death.

why must you use so many words to say kagotrab is unbearable?

watch

kagabob is unbearable

[Pokesan]

A well regulated militia should at least have access to anti air tecnhology or anti armor

Please stop arguing with an obvious lunatic, my good chums

he's also a hitler apologist no im not joking

[Schwing]

Yes or no, when someone breaks into your house, are you safer with a gun in your hand or unarmed?

Maybe.

[iruinedyourday]

Yes or no, when someone breaks into your house, are you safer with a gun in your hand or unarmed?

In this particular hypothetical situation, it turned out the person breaking in was actually your son sneaking in hours after his curfew and you shot him. Congratulations you are a statistic.

When kaga took the test he crashed his attack helicopter into a children's hospital.

[Sirken]

Red99 doesnt have guns

confirmed safe

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

When kaga took the test he crashed his attack helicopter into a children's hospital.

The attack helicopter was just an example. I fly a retrofitted F-117 you plebeian.

[Polyphemous]

As already said, the problem isn't guns the problem is culture and race. Anyone who thinks gun bans will keep guns from criminals should do a couple of youtube searches: "building an AK from scratch" and "building an AR from scratch." A bit of knowledge and a garage with some tools is all you need to make your own.

[Pokesan]

As already said, the problem isn't guns the problem is culture and race. Anyone who thinks gun bans will keep guns from criminals should do a couple of youtube searches: "building an AK from scratch" and "building an AR from scratch." A bit of knowledge and a garage with some tools is all you need to make your own.

If guns were banned, it would be a crime to have a gun, therefore having a gun would make you a criminal. Did you intend this tautology or are you just stupid?

[Sidelle]

If guns were banned, it would be a crime to have a gun, therefore having a gun would make you a criminal. Did you intend this tautology or are you just stupid?
Hey genius, his point was that banning guns wouldn't do shit to stop violent criminals from shooting and killing whoever the fuck they want. What, do you think that rapists, murderers, etc. will step up and turn in their guns because suddenly they care about obeying laws? Lol. Right...

All a gun ban would do is make people like me into criminals overnight because fuck if I'll give up the one thing that allows me to defend myself in my own home.

You must live in some privileged gated-community/utopia/fantasyland where bad things never happen to good people.

[Pokesan]

I didn't even say anything about gun legality why are you yelling at me?

:*(

[Lictor]

I appreciate the 'home is your castle' elevated protection mentality in the US. If you want a firearm to protect your children and family by all means you should be able to get one; however, you don't need a fucking assault rifle to hunt or open carry in a Wendy's. That's just ridiculous.

[Sidelle]

I didn't even say anything about gun legality why are you yelling at me?

:*(
Shit, I don't even know. It's been one of those days, I guess.

LOL :o

[Glenzig]

Shit, I don't even know. It's been one of those days, I guess.

LOL :o

Its cause she's a woman. Women are crazy. :)

[Faron]

I appreciate the 'home is your castle' elevated protection mentality in the US. If you want a firearm to protect your children and family by all means you should be able to get one; however, you don't need a fucking assault rifle to hunt or open carry in a Wendy's. That's just ridiculous.

Another guy claiming to be the moral compass on who "needs" what, and probably thinks "assault rifle" means machine gun.

Out of curiousity, if you open carry in a Wendy's, who is that harming?

[Glenzig]

Another guy claiming to be the moral compass on who "needs" what, and probably thinks "assault rifle" means machine gun.

Out of curiousity, if you open carry in a Wendy's, who is that harming?

The person you shoot in a psychotic rage. Of course.

[Lictor]

Another guy claiming to be the moral compass on who "needs" what, and probably thinks "assault rifle" means machine gun.

Out of curiousity, if you open carry in a Wendy's, who is that harming?

The 'needs' sentence was meant as a hyperbole. The conditional phrase before it does not insert morality into the discussion.

Yes, I am aware of the differences between assault rifle v machine gun, and playing off you need an assault rifle to hunt is still ridiculous to me.

I would feel uncomfortable and/or unsafe with random_person01 walking into any place of business with a rifle or firearm of any kind slung around their shoulder or hip.

I don't know what type of training or qualifications that individual has with the firearm they are carrying, don't know the emotional status of the individual, or propensity which they would escalate a situation where they would feel using deadly force or the threat of deadly force would be necessary.

I lack faith in the intelligence and level headed reasoning of the average American to accurately judge adversarial situations. Throwing guns into the mix and the local Walmart over who stole the last Elmo doll for their kids christmas present, would eventually, over time, lead to an incident involving firearms.

[jettle]

Yes, I am aware of the differences between assault rifle v machine gun, and playing off you need an assault rifle to hunt is still ridiculous to me.

assault rifles are military grade with automatic fire selections. A hunting rifle and a standard AR are essentially the same. One shot per trigger pull. I know plenty of people who use AR's to hunt due to its kill power, effective range and game size you can bag with. So i dont see the issue here. Or do you mean like someone hunting with an m60 or a SAW? an actual assault rifle. yeah that would be a total waste of an animal to litter it with bullets

[Sidelle]

Its cause she's a woman. Women are crazy. :)
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[Faron]

you need an assault rifle to hunt is still ridiculous to me.

What so kind of weapons does one "need" to hunt? Bow hunting is a thing, so technically you don't "need" a gun at all.

I would feel uncomfortable and/or unsafe with random_person01 walking into any place of business with a rifle or firearm of any kind slung around their shoulder or hip.

That's not really their problem though is it?

[jettle]

That's not really their problem though is it?

it wouldn't be mine. id be open carrying too if it were legal in my state.

[iruinedyourday]

Hey genius, his point was that banning guns wouldn't do shit to stop violent criminals from shooting and killing whoever the fuck they want. What, do you think that rapists, murderers, etc. will step up and turn in their guns because suddenly they care about obeying laws? Lol. Right...

All a gun ban would do is make people like me into criminals overnight because fuck if I'll give up the one thing that allows me to defend myself in my own home.

You must live in some privileged gated-community/utopia/fantasyland where bad things never happen to good people.

Hey just to clear the air.. Sensible gun control laws would be designed to reduce the number of accidental deaths, to reduce crimes of passion, to reduce juvenile mental break downs and increase responsibility of gun owners.

It would be more difficult to get a gun yes, but if you're not responsible to file the right paperwork or to wait an appropriate amount of time , prove that you've taken classes, gotten a liscense, or purchased insurance... If any of these things seem too difficult for you, Then without a doubt you're not responsible enough to own a firearm.

[Duckwalk]

assault rifles are military grade with automatic fire selections. A hunting rifle and a standard AR are essentially the same. One shot per trigger pull. I know plenty of people who use AR's to hunt due to its kill power, effective range and game size you can bag with. So i dont see the issue here. Or do you mean like someone hunting with an m60 or a SAW? an actual assault rifle. yeah that would be a total waste of an animal to litter it with bullets

I assume he referencing the ease with with assault rifles can be modified for automatic fire.

That said I'm all for automatic weapon ownership (with reasonable restrictions) as the romantic in me likes to think of the 2nd amendment as a check against the government.

[jettle]

I assume he referencing the ease with with assault rifles can be modified for automatic fire.

That said I'm all for automatic weapon ownership (with reasonable restrictions) as the romantic in me likes to think of the 2nd amendment as a check against the government.

to do it LEGALLY can cost so much that its not even worth it. some M16 mods can go upwards of 15 grand plus the transfer fees depending on the state can cost you money. that's just pointless. the last m60 I saw for sale was close to 100 grand.

I am also all for automatic fire weapon ownership but the endless gun debate that has and will go on will never allow that. you have to find middle ground with the anti gun people or the ones who want some type of law in place for them. its all good. we do have gun free zones in America thank god for them! they are the best deterrent by far

[Duckwalk]

Are people 3d printing those conversion parts yet?

[jettle]

Are people 3d printing those conversion parts yet?

Can 3D print a whole weapon now yes? Could be wrong

[Lictor]

What so kind of weapons does one "need" to hunt? Bow hunting is a thing, so technically you don't "need" a gun at all.



That's not really their problem though is it?

So ignore all points and responses to direct question you asked, and avoiding the issue all together by focusing on one word. I know your wife does the exact same thing in arguments, does t make it better on forums. Replace need with want or desire if it makes you feel better.

It's not their problem, no. You asked for my thoughts or reaction. If you want to expand it beyond my subjective view then that is a different issue for society to wrestle with.

[Duckwalk]

Can 3D print a whole weapon now yes? Could be wrong

You can but it doesn't survice extended use. How from memory the parts needed to convert a semi-automatic weapon into a fully-automatic weapon undergo much less stress.

Also just emphasizing that people's fears regarding assault rifles arnt exactly unfounded given the ease of converting them (legally or illegaly).

[Duckwalk]

Survive* However*

[jettle]

So ignore all points and responses to direct question you asked, and avoiding the issue all together by focusing on one word. I know your wife does the exact same thing in arguments, does t make it better on forums. Replace need with want or desire if it makes you feel better.

It's not their problem, no. You asked for my thoughts or reaction. If you want to expand it beyond my subjective view then that is a different issue for society to wrestle with.

to save you guys arguing over this for no reason just remember that a business can deny weapons on the grounds. just because a state allows open carry doesn't mean a wendys will allow it on their property. with that being said if you happen to live in state A where state A allows open carry and wendys does not and someone walks into the place with a sidearm....well then yeah you might be alittle more concerned. if the place allows it and so does the state I personally wouldn't give a dam, I would be carrying too

[Faron]

Replace need with want or desire if it makes you feel better.


Again, who are you, and who is anyone to dictate to me what I need, want, or desire? If I want to decorate my entire house with AR15s, then it's really none of your business is it?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'm fine with not banning guns I'm not fine with not banning air 15s. You don't need them.

Six round magazine max. Be reasonable.

Hey just to clear the air.. Sensible gun control laws would be designed to reduce the number of accidental deaths, to reduce crimes of passion, to reduce juvenile mental break downs and increase responsibility of gun owners.

It would be more difficult to get a gun yes, but if you're not responsible to file the right paperwork or to wait an appropriate amount of time , prove that you've taken classes, gotten a liscense, or purchased insurance... If any of these things seem too difficult for you, Then without a doubt you're not responsible enough to own a firearm.
The rape apologist keeps moving the goalposts.

Clueless shitheads like you are the reason New York tried to ban high capacity soda bottles.

[iruinedyourday]

The rape apologist keeps moving the goalposts.

Clueless shitheads like you are the reason New York tried to ban high capacity soda bottles.

Kinda I know you have a hard on for me and you want to blow me so bad and you love my fucking posts and you can't stop reading them, but because you don't fucking understand one word that ever comes out of my mouth just give up.

[iruinedyourday]

Again, who are you, and who is anyone to dictate to me what I need, want, or desire? If I want to decorate my entire house with AR15s, then it's really none of your business is it?

Where do you draw the line what if you want to decorate your house with dicks of your victims that you fucked and raped?

[loramin]

Again, who are you, and who is anyone to dictate to me what I need, want, or desire? If I want to decorate my entire house with AR15s, then it's really none of your business is it?

Philosophy 101: spheres of autonomy. In essence, everyone has a little bubble of rights around them, and they can do whatever within those rights ... until their bubble bumps in to someone else's bubble.

So like in this case, you can decorate your house however you want and it's no one's business ... until your decorations cause harm or have a significant risk of causing harm. So if the government decides that your AR-15s have a significant risk causing harm then it very much is their business, the same was if you wanted to hang sticks of dynamite around your house.

the romantic in me likes to think of the 2nd amendment as a check against the government.

You do realize though that even automatic weapons would just be a joke against the combined military might of the United States armed forces right? I mean, I worry (seriously) about our government becoming a dictatorship, but I don't kid myself in to thinking that some guns would really make a difference if they did decide to go all coup d' etat on us.

[Duckwalk]

Philosophy 101: spheres of autonomy. In essence, everyone has a little bubble of rights around them, and they can do whatever within those rights ... until their bubble bumps in to someone else's bubble.

So like in this case, you can decorate your house however you want and it's no one's business ... until your decorations cause harm or have a significant risk of causing harm. So if the government decides that your AR-15s have a significant risk causing harm then it very much is their business, the same was if you wanted to hang sticks of dynamite around your house.



You do realize though that even automatic weapons would just be a joke against the combined military might of the United States armed forces right? I mean, I worry (seriously) about our government becoming a dictatorship, but I don't kid myself in to thinking that some guns would really make a difference if they did decide to go all coup d' etat on us.

No way man! Wolverines!!

But seriously, even small arms can do a lot to disrupt/frustrate a well equipped modern military. See Somolia, Afghanistan, Syrian etc.

[Duckwalk]

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/grobres.html

Another example off the top of my head.

[Sidelle]

http://www.political-humor.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/its-because-im-black-isnt-it1.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

You do realize though that even automatic weapons would just be a joke against the combined military might of the United States armed forces right? I mean, I worry (seriously) about our government becoming a dictatorship, but I don't kid myself in to thinking that some guns would really make a difference if they did decide to go all coup d' etat on us.

the irony is most people who think their guns guns will protect them from the government, think that that teenager Michael Brown should have been all, YESSA YESSA MASSA YESSA! I DO WHAT YA SAY MASSA when the cop was harassing him & abusing his power.

They think justice was served by a DA that abused his power and knowingly put people on the stand that were committing perjury.

and don't act like more than half of the people who think guns are going to protect them from the government dont watch FOX news to get those endorphins flowing so they just go to sleep easier and dont actually try to stop anyone from doing anything at all.

I just think its ironic that yall gun nuts think you have it all figured out when really your only argument to ever own guns is because, they give you a hard on like classic EQ does for me.

Just say that, and the world will be able to have a little bit of a real dialogue than the one the sensible people have to tip toe around because you're about to fly off the handle and say the sky is falling and the guns are the only thing that are between us the god & the devil.

[Lictor]

Again, who are you, and who is anyone to dictate to me what I need, want, or desire? If I want to decorate my entire house with AR15s, then it's really none of your business is it?

I too can state absurd fact situations not relevant to the conversation at hand to encite a reaction. At least attempt to respond if you are quoting something.

[jettle]

the irony is most people who think their guns guns will protect them from the government, think that that teenager Michael Brown should have been all, YESSA YESSA MASSA YESSA! I DO WHAT YA SAY MASSA when the cop was harassing him & abusing his power.

They think justice was served by a DA that abused his power and knowingly put people on the stand that were committing perjury.

and don't act like more than half of the people who think guns are going to protect them from the government dont watch FOX news to get those endorphins flowing so they just go to sleep easier and dont actually try to stop anyone from doing anything at all.

I just think its ironic that yall gun nuts think you have it all figured out when really your only argument to ever own guns is because, they give you a hard on like classic EQ does for me.

Just say that, and the world will be able to have a little bit of a real dialogue than the one the sensible people have to tip toe around because you're about to fly off the handle and say the sky is falling and the guns are the only thing that are between us the god & the devil.

being one of only maybe 2 or 3 right leaning minds in my unit and being around different types of deployments/duty stations I can say that most are leftists. you are making a broad assumption that people in the military actually side with the political beliefs of the right and that all of them would look at their commanders when told to initiate a totalitarian police state unto the people...lmao get real man. not everyone follows orders in the military like a robot. I wouldn't even be surprised if the number of weapons available to the public greatly out numbers those of the military

[loramin]

I wouldn't even be surprised if the number of weapons available to the public greatly out numbers those of the military

Maybe, but it's not really about numbers now is it? If you have a thousand hunting rifles, or even a thousand AR-15s and they've got one tank that's immune to small arms fire, you still lose right?

[jettle]

Maybe, but it's not really about numbers now is it? If you have a thousand hunting rifles, or even a thousand AR-15s and they've got one tank that's immune to small arms fire, you still lose right?

no, that's assuming you actually go head on with the tank. guerrilla warfare can negate a tank.

[iruinedyourday]

you guys watch too many movies.

[jettle]

you guys watch too many movies.

dat Netflix!!

[iruinedyourday]

one time I ran a stop sign in front of my house and I locked eyes with a motorcycle cop while I did it.. I tried to park and run off but he said HEY FREEZE!

I turned around and he said, "what the hell man!? You watch too many movies" was the best use of that that I've experienced.

[Sidelle]

the irony is most people who think their guns guns will protect them from the government, think that that teenager Michael Brown should have been all, YESSA YESSA MASSA YESSA! I DO WHAT YA SAY MASSA when the cop was harassing him & abusing his power.

They think justice was served by a DA that abused his power and knowingly put people on the stand that were committing perjury.

and don't act like more than half of the people who think guns are going to protect them from the government dont watch FOX news to get those endorphins flowing so they just go to sleep easier and dont actually try to stop anyone from doing anything at all.

I just think its ironic that yall gun nuts think you have it all figured out when really your only argument to ever own guns is because, they give you a hard on like classic EQ does for me.

Just say that, and the world will be able to have a little bit of a real dialogue than the one the sensible people have to tip toe around because you're about to fly off the handle and say the sky is falling and the guns are the only thing that are between us the god & the devil.
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[slydexx]

Medical errors leading to patient death are much higher than previously thought, and may be as high as 400,000 deaths a year, according to a new study in the Journal of Patient Safety.

That would make medical errors the third-leading cause of death in America, behind heart disease, which is the first, and cancer, which is second.

Keep worrying about a gun...clowns

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

the irony is most people who think their guns guns will protect them from the government, think that that teenager Michael Brown should have been all, YESSA YESSA MASSA YESSA! I DO WHAT YA SAY MASSA when the cop was harassing him & abusing his power. .

This is what these dipshits actually believe. You can't make this shit up.

[iruinedyourday]

This is what these dipshits actually believe. You can't make this shit up.

im glad you agree that you cant make that shit up, because its true.

Youre the kind of person that thinks everyone is perfect and never does anything wrong, you believe there is no such thing as crime etc

also you read my posts and jerk off to them but only to fantasy image of me fingering your little butthole.

Also RNF its christmas now so I got to go! One thing Ive learned in p99 is that every type of person plays it, we cant even agree on what is the best class for shaman is, so no way were going to agree on any of these topical issues we like to sling mud at eachother about!

So merry christmas happy all that stuff and have a good new years..

also if you think owning a gun will protect you from the sky falling your dumb

NOEL!

fu kaga

[DrKvothe]

The ubiquity of guns in America is the reason our police officers have to treat urban streets like a goddamn war zone.

Also, the "I NEED a gun for protection" argument is bullshit. You're not an assassination target, and the hypothetical burglar you're worried about just wants your flat screen. By all means, use anecdotal evidence about the times when it was helpful for someone to own a gun. Just know that for every 1 story like that, there's 10 tragic stories that begin the same way.

[Supreme]

The ubiquity of guns in America is the reason our police officers have to treat urban streets like a goddamn war zone.

Also, the "I NEED a gun for protection" argument is bullshit. You're not an assassination target, and the hypothetical burglar you're worried about just wants your flat screen. By all means, use anecdotal evidence about the times when it was helpful for someone to own a gun. Just know that for every 1 story like that, there's 10 tragic stories that begin the same way.

"Second Amendment - Bearing Arms. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This was designed to prevent a central government from taking power with no ability for the people to maintain their "freedoms". It is more than just protection, it is inherently one of the reasons we wont be invaded by a foreign military. You can almost overnight have 50 million armed militia.

[Sidelle]

The ubiquity of guns in America is the reason our police officers have to treat urban streets like a goddamn war zone.

Also, the "I NEED a gun for protection" argument is bullshit. You're not an assassination target, and the hypothetical burglar you're worried about just wants your flat screen. By all means, use anecdotal evidence about the times when it was helpful for someone to own a gun. Just know that for every 1 story like that, there's 10 tragic stories that begin the same way.
Well, here's one example right off the top of my head. Remember the woman who was beheaded in Oklahoma? Yeah, well as the jihadi asshole started stabbing a second female, he was shot dead by one of the company's execs. If he didn't have his firearm that day, more people would have surely died.

As for the rest of your post. You sound like a condescending douche. Might wanna tone that down a little.

[Raev]

By all means, use anecdotal evidence about the times when it was helpful for someone to own a gun. Just know that for every 1 story like that, there's 10 tragic stories that begin the same way.

So you start by criticizing someone for anecdotal evidence, and finish by pulling numbers out of your ass? If you go google, you will find that there is just no clear evidence that gun control works, probably because its very difficult to select a control group.

[Widan]

This was designed to prevent a central government from taking power with no ability for the people to maintain their "freedoms". It is more than just protection, it is inherently one of the reasons we wont be invaded by a foreign military. You can almost overnight have 50 million armed militia.

No, the reason we won't be invaded is because of our military. The central government already has full power over you no matter how many guns you have.

[DrKvothe]

Sidelle: Good catch on me being condescending. That was intentional, and I'm glad it didn't go to waste. Too bad the rest of my post did, though. Good job on another "guns saved the day!" anecdote, bahhhh bahhhh Fox News bahhh bahhh I'm a sheep baahhhhh.

Raev: the point I was making didn't require an accurate number, so I didn't bother trying to find one. I was speaking colorfully, but my argument still stands.

Supreme: What sort of regulation would apply to this constitutionally mandated militia? Training? Licensing? Restrictions of some sort?

[Sidelle]

Sidelle: Good catch on me being condescending. That was intentional, and I'm glad it didn't go to waste. Too bad the rest of my post did, though. Good job on another "guns saved the day!" anecdote, bahhhh bahhhh Fox News bahhh bahhh I'm a sheep baahhhhh.

Raev: the point I was making didn't require an accurate number, so I didn't bother trying to find one. I was speaking colorfully, but my argument still stands.

Supreme: What sort of regulation would apply to this constitutionally mandated militia? Training? Licensing? Restrictions of some sort?
Great impression of what a sheep sounds like as you're fucking it.

[LulzSect]

When you're hours away from state police, being armed is a matter of personal safety in remote areas.

[Misto]

The ubiquity of guns in America is the reason our police officers have to treat urban streets like a goddamn war zone.

Also, the "I NEED a gun for protection" argument is bullshit. You're not an assassination target, and the hypothetical burglar you're worried about just wants your flat screen. By all means, use anecdotal evidence about the times when it was helpful for someone to own a gun. Just know that for every 1 story like that, there's 10 tragic stories that begin the same way.

So, you're saying I should just give them my flat screen TV, which I waited in line for all Black Friday for?

Well, fuck you buddy.

Murica

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

So, you're saying I should just give them my flat screen TV, which I waited in line for all Black Friday for?

Well, fuck you buddy.

Murica

But Tyrone is more oppressed than you, therefore he deserves it.

[LulzSect]

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[GradnerLives]

Canada reporting in. Happy to say I've only ever seen one gun that wasn't on a cop while living in the largest city in the country. I've lived in the worst neighbourhoods pre-gentrification and never shy'd away from walking around at night. There are no areas of my city that I'd be hesitant to walk through, even alone/with valuables/at any time of day.

I've had violence threatened to me a fair number of times for sure, but I'm an okay runner and a pretty good talker so I can't say I've ever even been in a fight. If I ever was, I'd definitely be at risk of a good ass whooping but there's a pretty small chance that it would ever escalate beyond that, regardless of who I'm dealing with. Running and Talking don't do as much good when dealing with an armed assailant, though.

I don't agree that guns are the root cause of the violent crime problem in the states. A greater degree of racial inequity, history of violent means to political ends and inherent ubercapitalist "Self over others" mentality and a criminal justice system that seems more interested in punishment than rehabilitation could all certainly have a greater effect on the situation, but mass gun ownership doesn't help with any of those points. It only serves to protect the prepared few, placate the larger body of unprepared/untrained masses with the illusion of safety, and legally arm criminals to make their job a whole lot easier.

Who knew that NOT making it a right to take up guns to protect us from the king of england and just letting him have his way would get us all this free healthcare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada), greater prosperity/wealth in all but the absolute highest percentile income brackets (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/upshot/the-american-middle-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html?hp&_r=2&abt=0002&abg=1), more stable banking system (http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/remarks-110213.pdf#chart1), a 17x lower chance of being raped, 3x less chance of being shot (http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime) and all this great poutine (http://cookingwithali.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/img_1420.jpg).

Just saying.

Pras the duke.

[GradnerLives]

Canada reporting in. Happy to say I've only ever seen one gun that wasn't on a cop while living in the largest city in the country. I've lived in the worst neighbourhoods pre-gentrification and never shy'd away from walking around at night. There are no areas of my city that I'd be hesitant to walk through, even alone/with valuables/at any time of day.

I've had violence threatened to me a fair number of times for sure, but I'm an okay runner and a pretty good talker so I can't say I've ever even been in a fight. If I ever was, I'd definitely be at risk of a good ass whooping but there's a pretty small chance that it would ever escalate beyond that, regardless of who I'm dealing with. Running and Talking don't do as much good when dealing with an armed assailant, though.

I don't agree that guns are the root cause of the violent crime problem in the states. A greater degree of racial inequity, history of violent means to political ends, an inherent ubercapitalist "Self over others" mentality and a criminal justice system that seems more interested in punishment than rehabilitation could all certainly have a greater effect on the situation, but mass gun ownership doesn't help with any of those points. It only serves to protect the prepared few, placate the larger body of unprepared/untrained masses with the illusion of safety, and legally arm criminals to make their job a whole lot easier.

Who knew that NOT making it a right to take up guns to protect us from the king of england and just letting him have his way would get us all this free healthcare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada), greater prosperity/wealth in all but the absolute highest percentile income brackets (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/upshot/the-american-middle-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html?hp&_r=2&abt=0002&abg=1), more stable banking system (http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/remarks-110213.pdf#chart1), a 17x lower chance of being raped, 3x less chance of being shot (http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime) and all this great poutine (http://cookingwithali.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/img_1420.jpg).

Just saying.

Pras the duke.

[GradnerLives]

oops. Forgot can't edit in rnf. Did a double "and" in a series.

[Pokesan]

Murdering another human being over a television set is totally cool and good

[Drakaris]

Really hate the gun laws in Australia....

You can legally own a high caliber rifle if you own a farm and they frequently get stolen, but you can't own a pistol without at least 12 months membership at a shooting range for sporting purposes.... and you can never legally use a firearm against another person, even if your house is being broken into or your loved ones are being stabbed.

Stupid laws here imo.

[Supreme]

Supreme: What sort of regulation would apply to this constitutionally mandated militia? Training? Licensing? Restrictions of some sort?

There is no regulation. That is why it states "shall not be infringed upon". While the interpretation has been danced around for decades the core of the amendment is that citizens shall have the right to bear arms. Against threats both foreign and domestic.

We do have training, licensing and restrictions as it has been interpreted by the courts. While there have been many incidents by criminals involving firearms there is millions of other law-abiding citizens that use their firearms legally everyday.

The premise you offer is that by doing away with guns will somehow makes us safer is the same logic that making drug free zones magically keeps drugs away.

[iruinedyourday]

Canada reporting in. Happy to say I've only ever seen one gun that wasn't on a cop while living in the largest city in the country. I've lived in the worst neighbourhoods pre-gentrification and never shy'd away from walking around at night. There are no areas of my city that I'd be hesitant to walk through, even alone/with valuables/at any time of day.

I've had violence threatened to me a fair number of times for sure, but I'm an okay runner and a pretty good talker so I can't say I've ever even been in a fight. If I ever was, I'd definitely be at risk of a good ass whooping but there's a pretty small chance that it would ever escalate beyond that, regardless of who I'm dealing with. Running and Talking don't do as much good when dealing with an armed assailant, though.

I don't agree that guns are the root cause of the violent crime problem in the states. A greater degree of racial inequity, history of violent means to political ends and inherent ubercapitalist "Self over others" mentality and a criminal justice system that seems more interested in punishment than rehabilitation could all certainly have a greater effect on the situation, but mass gun ownership doesn't help with any of those points. It only serves to protect the prepared few, placate the larger body of unprepared/untrained masses with the illusion of safety, and legally arm criminals to make their job a whole lot easier.

Who knew that NOT making it a right to take up guns to protect us from the king of england and just letting him have his way would get us all this free healthcare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada), greater prosperity/wealth in all but the absolute highest percentile income brackets (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/upshot/the-american-middle-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html?hp&_r=2&abt=0002&abg=1), more stable banking system (http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/remarks-110213.pdf#chart1), a 17x lower chance of being raped, 3x less chance of being shot (http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime) and all this great poutine (http://cookingwithali.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/img_1420.jpg).

Just saying.

Pras the duke.

[paulgiamatti]

Canada reporting in. Happy to say I've only ever seen one gun that wasn't on a cop while living in the largest city in the country. I've lived in the worst neighbourhoods pre-gentrification and never shy'd away from walking around at night. There are no areas of my city that I'd be hesitant to walk through, even alone/with valuables/at any time of day.

I've had violence threatened to me a fair number of times for sure, but I'm an okay runner and a pretty good talker so I can't say I've ever even been in a fight. If I ever was, I'd definitely be at risk of a good ass whooping but there's a pretty small chance that it would ever escalate beyond that, regardless of who I'm dealing with. Running and Talking don't do as much good when dealing with an armed assailant, though.

I don't agree that guns are the root cause of the violent crime problem in the states. A greater degree of racial inequity, history of violent means to political ends and inherent ubercapitalist "Self over others" mentality and a criminal justice system that seems more interested in punishment than rehabilitation could all certainly have a greater effect on the situation, but mass gun ownership doesn't help with any of those points. It only serves to protect the prepared few, placate the larger body of unprepared/untrained masses with the illusion of safety, and legally arm criminals to make their job a whole lot easier.

Who knew that NOT making it a right to take up guns to protect us from the king of england and just letting him have his way would get us all this free healthcare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada), greater prosperity/wealth in all but the absolute highest percentile income brackets (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/upshot/the-american-middle-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html?hp&_r=2&abt=0002&abg=1), more stable banking system (http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/remarks-110213.pdf#chart1), a 17x lower chance of being raped, 3x less chance of being shot (http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime) and all this great poutine (http://cookingwithali.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/img_1420.jpg).

Just saying.

Pras the duke.

Pras.