Plane of Mischief - Funny Money Combine? (Empty Pot of Gold)

[Ele]

Issue: Attempting to combine a Words of Wealth with a Words of Wealth: Top Left in an Empty Pot of Gold to make a Funny Money. The combine does not work. Get the error message that these items cannot be combined in this container type.


This combine allegedly worked on EQMac, which had Plane of Mischief 1.0.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=22289

On Al'Kabor the Top Left: Word of Wealth plus a complete Word of Wealth combine in An Empty Pot of Gold to make a Funny Money.
Melted down about two dozen thrones worth of armor before someone told me this.

[Daldaen]

Miuma is a source to trust.

She literally maxed her PoM faction in an attempt to find a purpose for jesters and other undiscovered quests.

[Erati]

wait you are saying you dont have to melt armor down to make funny money

omgs

[Alunova]

I'm aware of the combine, but it is intentionally not implemented for a while at least, if ever. This was almost certainly a bug that could have been specific to EQmac which completely undermines the entire zone and all of the work others did. With the knowledge players have now, no one would ever work through the quests, which is not classic.

[wycca]

EQMac's version of PoM vs. Classic PoM - it appears that, for whatever reasons, EQMac likely had a slightly different version of PoM combines. Witness the combine for the Tundra mask on EQMac vs. the Globe of Darkness on ClassicLive. I'm not sure if there is an explanation, or a way to figure out what's going on, but it's clear that some combines on EQMac indicate some differences.

Not sure how it may apply to this particular item, but it is worth mentioning. Although I'm REALLY hoping to prove some EQMac combines are classic so we can get them on P99.

[Ele]

EQMac's version of PoM vs. Classic PoM - it appears that, for whatever reasons, EQMac likely had a slightly different version of PoM combines. Witness the combine for the Tundra mask on EQMac vs. the Globe of Darkness on ClassicLive. I'm not sure if there is an explanation, or a way to figure out what's going on, but it's clear that some combines on EQMac indicate some differences.

Not sure how it may apply to this particular item, but it is worth mentioning. Although I'm REALLY hoping to prove some EQMac combines are classic so we can get them on P99.

The Tundra mask replaced the globe of darkness in 2012 on EQMac. The mac dedicated dev "fixed" some of the combines.

https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/plane-of-mischief-cards.197334/page-2
"I did find a "new" recipe recently for a Mask of the Tundra Walker, AC10 WIS8, Illusion: Barb, Cast Time 7.0, Class: Cleric, Race: Hum/Eru, combing Black Throne, Blue Throne, Black Crown, Blue Crown, which Allah says is supposed to give a Globe of Darkness."
From a thread on Mac boards.

I've been able to find a 2003 post about using WoW + Top Left to make Funny Money, which provides some indication that it wasn't solely an EQ Mac combine. But there were several intervening PoM modifications between release and 2003 when the post was made.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?p=142135

This still works, however, it is an incredible pain in the ass, simply combine, in a pot of gold, a complete Words of Wealth with a Words of Wealth: Top Left Corner for a funny money.

Also, Library Cards do not (or if they do, its incredibly rare, as I've been bound there for 6 months) drop off any creature in the zone, but only on the Chessboard, and more rarely in AiWL. Chessboard can be pulled fairly easily with Wake of Tranquility, just watch for the pit traps and bad pathing.

Also, the doll is not no drop, so you can buy it (thats what i did for my BP).

[Alunova]

I've been able to find a 2003 post about using WoW + Top Left to make Funny Money

There is also evidence of other sweeping changes in 2003 on live, including Peach D'Vicci no longer spawning in October. She is directly related to the quest.

As of 2007 on EQmac Peachy still required 4 funny money, does anyone know the date it was changed to 2?

[Dentalplan]

There is also evidence of other sweeping changes in 2003 on live, including Peach D'Vicci no longer spawning in October. She is directly related to the quest.

As of 2007 on EQmac Peachy still required 4 funny money, does anyone know the date it was changed to 2?

I can't find any reference to this quest ever requiring 4 funny moneys. Here's a 2001 post from a PoM ezboard claiming it was 2 moneys then:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030713003317/http://pub57.ezboard.com/ftheplaneofmischieffrm10.showMessage?topicID=33.to pic

[Sallan]

I can't find any reference to this quest ever requiring 4 funny moneys. Here's a 2001 post from a PoM ezboard claiming it was 2 moneys then:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030713003317/http://pub57.ezboard.com/ftheplaneofmischieffrm10.showMessage?topicID=33.to pic

That was later changed I believe. Originally it started off as 4 FM's:

Now talk to Bob the Painter and he will hand you a Pot of Gold, a two slot container. Place your Words of Wealth and any item you obtained from the Deck of Spontaneous Generation quests in the Pot of Gold and hit combine. You will be rewarded with Funny Money. If you run over and hand Peachy four of these Funny Moneys you will receive a colored gift box. Each colored box represents a different class in the game, such as the Blue Gift Box is for Magicians. This box comes with five charges, each of which will summon a doll. Now take the doll and combine it with one of the pieces of the Armor of Distraction and you'll receive your class specific doll quest armor.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?p=142279

[Dentalplan]

That was later changed I believe. Originally it started off as 4 FM's:
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?p=142279

Looks like it's the other way around. It was 2 moneys when the zone launched and was changed to 4 in 2003:

https://web.archive.org/web/20031013073942/http://pub57.ezboard.com/ftheplaneofmischieffrm5.showMessage?topicID=15.top ic

Give Peachy D'Vicci four funny money (this has been two in the past, but is FOUR now) and she'll give you a random Gift Box

[Nirgon]

Lots/all of the PoM armor was originally droppable for some months...

you want to do that here? Just wonderin'. Can find the old evidence.

[Alunova]

Lots/all of the PoM armor was originally droppable for some months...

you want to do that here? Just wonderin'. Can find the old evidence.

Cards and gift boxes are still droppable, so we will probably leave it as is.

Will most likely stick to 2 funny money. Consider it balancing/compromising for not allowing the words of wealth: top left combine and keeping some semblance of transparent risk/time vs reward.

[Sallan]

Will most likely stick to 2 funny money. Consider it balancing/compromising for not allowing the words of wealth: top left combine and keeping some semblance of transparent risk/time vs reward.

Fantastic. 2 FM's would be ideal

[Dentalplan]

Peachy ate my items when I tried turning in 2 funny money post patch, just fyi.

[Alunova]

It was probably still set to four, what did her text say? I changed it but I think it was after the last beta patch. If she asks for 4 it will require 4.

[Treats]

I'm aware of the combine, but it is intentionally not implemented for a while at least, if ever. This was almost certainly a bug that could have been specific to EQmac which completely undermines the entire zone and all of the work others did. With the knowledge players have now, no one would ever work through the quests, which is not classic.

I believe this combine always worked even in classic.

I do not remember it being difficult to get the Funny Moneys.

The problem with creating armor was the drop rate and availability of Thrones and certain Crowns, this was the time sink.

[Ele]

There is also evidence of other sweeping changes in 2003 on live, including Peach D'Vicci no longer spawning in October. She is directly related to the quest.

As of 2007 on EQmac Peachy still required 4 funny money, does anyone know the date it was changed to 2?

~November 7, 2001

https://web.archive.org/web/20030715023542/http://pub57.ezboard.com/ftheplaneofmischieffrm12.showMessage?topicID=125.t opic

Hallo everyone,
I help administrate the POM on zeb server, hopefully we can use this topic to communicate changes as we discover them. This is what I have seen so far...

New loots: Super Sweet Fishing Grubs
A Bar of Gold

Also note, Peachy Di' Vicci is now asking for FOUR funnies!

[Daldaen]

Should let the WoW + Top Left WoW combine create funny money if we ever switch to 4 Funny Money's.

[Colgate]

seems like from that thread:

either no mobs in the hedge or fewer mobs in the hedge should cast spells - on this server all of them are casters except for the vinecators

puppets should be hitting for less than they do - on this server puppets currently hit for high 300s to low 400s, bristlebane puppet hits for low 800s

the treasure chests shouldn't be casting enchanter spells - i think all of them on this server currently cast enchanter spells

[Daldaen]

Where are you seeing hedge mobs shouldn't cast spells.

I've felt the petal pushers shouldn't charm because I don't remember that, but they definitely casted spells on EQMac which had PoM 1.0 If they didn't in 2001 based on those posts though I would default to that info, however I didn't see anything in that post about hedge mobs not casting.

[Colgate]

The mobs in alice 4 also have had increased hps, including stomples. Not sure how many other mobs have had it increased.

Noticed several mobs, mainly in garden, now cast.

4th post in that thread

[Daldaen]

Ahh was looking for hedge not garden.

Interesting. I wonder if they will do these changes or not since they seem to revert back to our current mobs later in our timeline.

[Zuranthium]

I'm aware of the combine, but it is intentionally not implemented for a while at least, if ever. This was almost certainly a bug that could have been specific to EQmac which completely undermines the entire zone and all of the work others did. With the knowledge players have now, no one would ever work through the quests, which is not classic.

What are you talking about "it undermines the entire zone"? It takes FOREVER to farm there, an absolutely insanely ridiculous amount of time to ever make the class armor if you can't make funny money but using the top-left combine. What are you talking about "no one would ever work through the quests"? There are no quests. It's just a ton of farming. Without the top-left combine to make the funny money, it's not worth trying to get the class armor. Only a total no-life person would spend the time on it, a scary amount of time.

[Alunova]

What are you talking about "it undermines the entire zone"? It takes FOREVER to farm there, an absolutely insanely ridiculous amount of time to ever make the class armor if you can't make funny money but using the top-left combine. What are you talking about "no one would ever work through the quests"? There are no quests. It's just a ton of farming. Without the top-left combine to make the funny money, it's not worth trying to get the class armor. Only a total no-life person would spend the time on it, a scary amount of time.

No one is forcing you to obtain PoM armor. It was rare on live and it will likely be rare here. Some obtained it using 4 funny money before there was any mention of the top left combine. I am also not here to wipe your tears or be your rage cushion, so watch it.

[Freakish]

Are jesters dropping?

[Erati]

Are jesters dropping?

gotten Jester from Black Horse

[Zuranthium]

I am also not here to wipe your tears or be your rage cushion, so watch it.

LOL, all I wanted was for you to respond to your reasoning of "it undermines the entire zone". The zone is nothing but farming and it seems you think having to farm an obscene amount = a better zone. Words + Top Left combine would be a strange EQMac-only bug if that was the case. Sounds like the kind of thing that would have been a bug in classic as well and people just didn't realize it at the time, which was the case with many such things back then.

[evilkorn]

I'm aware of the combine, but it is intentionally not implemented for a while at least, if ever. This was almost certainly a bug that could have been specific to EQmac which completely undermines the entire zone and all of the work others did. With the knowledge players have now, no one would ever work through the quests, which is not classic.

http://theplaneofmischief.yuku.com/topic/417/PoM-Quests-for-Dummies

8. Make Funny Money
Combine a WoW and one of the following items in the Pot to make a Funny Money
Mask of Melodies
Vambraces of Distraction
Bracelet of the Twisted Mind
Green Wristguard
Greaves of Distraction
Mushroom Bracelet
Silver Wristband
Breastplate of Distraction
Shimmering Wristguard
Onyx Wristband
Robe of Distraction
Crown of Distraction
Boots of Distraction
A Very Rusty Dagger
Gloves of Distraction
Wristguard of Distraction
Top Left Words of Wealth
Note: Since it doesn't require any cards at all, usually the top left part of Words of Wealth is used.

Aug 13 01

This appears to be proof the combine is classic, was known, and not specific to EQmac.

Also:

9. Get a Gift Box
Give Peachy D'Vicci four funny money (this has been two in the past, but is FOUR now)

I also see 4 funny money being needed as far back as May 2001.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010804015805/http://www.knightsofthecreed.com/pom/words.htm

There is also the matter of the trade-ability of some of the items
http://web.archive.org/web/20010811033238/http://www.knightsofthecreed.com/pom/item3.htm

[Ele]

Nice find

[Daldaen]

It seems the Top Left combine for Funny money was common knowledge and functional in 2001, atleast among some circles. Not just some 2003 or EQMac Anomaly.

Making it 4 Funny Money and Top Left working would still require 2 throne/2 crowns for any piece of armor. It would also alleviate the camping of A/W4 and Thrones by a little bit as you won't need to melt down extra ones just to get Funny Money. Getting 2 throne / 2 crown is still quite a feet/time sink and will keep the armor rare.

IMO - P99 should have the Top Left + WoW combine for Funny Money and it should require 4 funny moneys.

[evilkorn]

http://web.archive.org/web/20020112031305/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5835

Sep 20 2001 at 9:08 AMRating: Excellent
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This item is now NO DROP. (All PoM items were changed recently)

http://web.archive.org/web/20020112011159/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5603

[Somekid123]

Bump in response of Evilkorn's find on that Top Left + WoW combine find.

[Somekid123]

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[Nirgon]

PoM and ice well mobs need a magic resist bump

[Somekid123]

Stay on topic per thread discussion nirgon. Ty.

[Erati]

PoM and ice well mobs need a magic resist bump

?

[Daldaen]

Would be nice to return value to Words of Wealth if they made this change.

With 4 Funny Money required it would still take 8 Top Left and 4 of every other Word of Wealth section to turn into Peachy. That's a decent amount of killing for dolls. Even then, thrones would remain the bottlekneck for completing armor.

As proved in evilkorn's posts this was a known combine back in 2001, and not some aberration from updated PoM.

[Raev]

quite a feet/time sink

It won't be easy getting out of here. What we need is a great feat of strength.

Feat of strength? Au contraire! Now that you're here with me, what we have is great strength of feet!

Now, on the count of kick . . .

[Somekid123]

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