Raid Scene (the 5%)

[Xerical]

I have been playing EQ on P99 for about 5 months now. When I first joined everyone said the best time I will have is leveling up and experiencing content outside of raids because raiding on P99 is a shit-show. I remember EQ classic and I figured they meant training/KSn. Then I got 60 and realized its no where near that... its 10x worse. And reading the posts about ideas of fixing it, seems like Sirken/Deru foster the environment in a manner that is fitting to the 5%, and not the 95% (of raiders). They encourage this style of 'who has the most neckbeards, and of them who actually has the longest hair?'. After all, it doesn't matter what the variance is. The variance is just the guide to the above ^, how long does xxx neckbeard need to stand at yyy spawn point. I would stop there and just say damn, guess this server is just for the 5%... but then I read a post from Rogean and have hope.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131586

'We are all here for competition, but it needs to be fair competition'.
'Not providing the server to give people the arena to compete to such bitter extremes'

Right now you either join IB/TMO and let a few individuals dedicate their life to getting targets for 99% of their guild. Or you join Class-R and see a raid target once every 2-3 months. Is there really no solution to make the game more enjoyable for the majority of the population? Playing EQ is great, but not like this.

[Nirgon]

Need examples of more than 2 guilds farming VP during Kunark era on live

to care

[fastboy21]

I have been playing EQ on P99 for about 5 months now. When I first joined everyone said the best time I will have is leveling up and experiencing content outside of raids because raiding on P99 is a shit-show. I remember EQ classic and I figured they meant training/KSn. Then I got 60 and realized its no where near that... its 10x worse. And reading the posts about ideas of fixing it, seems like Sirken/Deru foster the environment in a manner that is fitting to the 5%, and not the 95% (of raiders). They encourage this style of 'who has the most neckbeards, and of them who actually has the longest hair?'. After all, it doesn't matter what the variance is. The variance is just the guide to the above ^, how long does xxx neckbeard need to stand at yyy spawn point. I would stop there and just say damn, guess this server is just for the 5%... but then I read a post from Rogean and have hope.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131586

'We are all here for competition, but it needs to be fair competition'.
'Not providing the server to give people the arena to compete to such bitter extremes'

Right now you either join IB/TMO and let a few individuals dedicate their life to getting targets for 99% of their guild. Or you join Class-R and see a raid target once every 2-3 months. Is there really no solution to make the game more enjoyable for the majority of the population? Playing EQ is great, but not like this.

Nobody is forcing you to play here. The exclusivity of raid targets being monopolized by top guilds is absolutely classic.

Do you have a solution in mind that preserves the classic nature of the server and increases the "fun" for everyone?

By the way, the shot you took at the GMs (and you called two out by name) is total bull shit...just sharing my thoughts. ;) GMs work (and it is WORK) to make this totally FREE game stay afloat. Anything less than thanks for making p99 real or constructive criticism to make it better is worthless.

Check out the "shit show" that other classic servers offer...p99 is light years ahead of any other place to play classic EQ. Bottom line: if you want to experience classic EQ the best place ANYWHERE to do it is right here...most of us are more than willing to put up with the problems still being worked out if it means getting to play classic style EQ.

[wwoneo]

Raid Scene
It continues to be an aggravating realization among CSR staff that 10% of the server population causes 90% of the problems. We are all for competition, but it needs to be fair competition. We are also all here for the same thing, to experience classic Everquest. The same guild monopolizing raid content for 2 years that they might not even need anymore is ridiculous, just to block other guilds from the chance of gearing up to take on the same end game content.

I was thinking to myself the other day and I came to ask myself.. Are we providing this server to give people the arena to compete to such bitter extremes that it has resorted to taking every absolute measure to be victorious, or are we here to provide a classic Everquest experience for everyone to enjoy?

A lot of you make fun of it in your own terms, but it really does come down to fighting over very old content.

Either way, we're tired of the constant bickering, the training, the ninja looting, and all the other bullshit that's going on. So here's what we're going to do.

Starting today and then evaluated when Velious is released the CSR staff will be keeping track of how the raid guilds are treating eachother. If we do not see a significant improvement in the behavior of the raiding guilds and how they treat eachother, Velious will be released without raid content. To be clear, we want an enjoyable raid scene for everyone, not just one or two guilds. This means working together to figure out a compromise when racing for mobs, and working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters.

Don't think that this means you can continue shitting on each other and just not petition, the staff will still be watching.

Long Live God Rogean. I will construct a monument in his honor! Although, if raid content isn't released in Velious, we'll just have the same shit-show in non-raid zones haha.

[Doil_Boil]

Nobody is forcing you to play here. The exclusivity of raid targets being monopolized by top guilds is absolutely classic.

Do you have a solution in mind that preserves the classic nature of the server and increases the "fun" for everyone?

By the way, the shot you took at the GMs (and you called two out by name) is total bull shit...just sharing my thoughts. ;) GMs work (and it is WORK) to make this totally FREE game stay afloat. Anything less than thanks for making p99 real or constructive criticism to make it better is worthless.

Check out the "shit show" that other classic servers offer...p99 is light years ahead of any other place to play classic EQ. Bottom line: if you want to experience classic EQ the best place ANYWHERE to do it is right here...most of us are more than willing to put up with the problems still being worked out if it means getting to play classic style EQ.

Actually, some servers had raid calendars. So, there's a solution that's totally classic.

[haksum]

5 star thread. I can't believe I voted for 5 stars and it still only has 1.

[fastboy21]

Actually, some servers had raid calendars. So, there's a solution that's totally classic.

It was player driven on these servers.

[Crawdad]

Actually, some servers had raid calendars. So, there's a solution that's totally classic.

Raid calendars seldom reflected "Current Content" though. Sure, you can have a Nagafen, Vox, PoSky, etc... raid calendar system, but its not going to be until the top 2 (maybe 3) guilds have picked it clean and don't need them anymore. I don't believe for a second that on Live every server's Top Guild didn't hold on desperately to claim VP/NToV/VT/Premier Loot Pinata-zone for themselves, so why expect differently here?

It seems awful because, as obvious as it is... We're on year 5 of Kunark, when it lasted 8 Months on Live. Soon(tm).

[Tormax]

Actually, some servers had raid calendars. So, there's a solution that's totally classic.

This is exactly how it was on Saryrn.

Request your guild to be put into the ToV rotation. If you appear to have the levels/toons to attempt it you are given a date to try. If you were unable to clear it then you were taken off the rotation for X amount of months before you could attempt it again. Clear it and you get a spot in rotation.

Too many guilds? Then split up the spawns by difficulty.

Welcome to the Halls of Testing :)

[Xerical]

Need examples of more than 2 guilds farming VP during Kunark era on live

to care

I am fine with two guilds ruling over VP at this stage in EQ (Kunark). It's justifiable. Everything else, no.

[central scrutinizer]

Nobody is forcing you to play here. The exclusivity of raid targets being monopolized by top guilds is absolutely classic.



Not through massive reserves of additional accounts to camp out at targets all over norrath it isn't.

Raiding on p99 has not resembled classic for a long time.

[Xerical]

Nobody is forcing you to play here. The exclusivity of raid targets being monopolized by top guilds is absolutely classic.

Do you have a solution in mind that preserves the classic nature of the server and increases the "fun" for everyone?

By the way, the shot you took at the GMs (and you called two out by name) is total bull shit...just sharing my thoughts. ;) GMs work (and it is WORK) to make this totally FREE game stay afloat. Anything less than thanks for making p99 real or constructive criticism to make it better is worthless.

Check out the "shit show" that other classic servers offer...p99 is light years ahead of any other place to play classic EQ. Bottom line: if you want to experience classic EQ the best place ANYWHERE to do it is right here...most of us are more than willing to put up with the problems still being worked out if it means getting to play classic style EQ.

On the servers I played on it wasn't classic at this stage, or velious, that all content was ruled over by two guilds by having them have their raid for waiting for a spawn for 15+ hours.

And Sirken/Deru may be GMs, but they are also playing the card of media-celebrities with their Twitch streams. Even receiving 'constructive criticism, feedback, and suggestions' they still turn down everything and are very biased in their views. People are more likely to join up into IB/TMO and just make the server two mega forces than they are to have a Class-R step up to Class-C in this situation.

[Bboboo]

If you're gunna bitch about the raid scene hop on Velious beta.

[Nirgon]

These guilds do have a lot of turn over and (even worse) gearing out a ridiculous number of alts has become the new meta for top end guilds that have been here a while.

And that ridiculous number of alts needs a ridiculous amount of finite pixels.

IE: 6 beards in each of the top guilds decide that in the case that one of them isn't online, they will each need a warrior + cleric should one their top warriors/a cleric not be able to show up. Then they will want alts camped out at (as close as possible) each raid mob (extremely prevalent) to compete with the other uber guild who also has alts camped out each raid mob... the solution has been a closely preserved timeline where Velious would have been out for a year already. Obviously with the amount of work being done in Kunark to fix mechanics that were missed in classic... this was just not possible. Deal with it is the best solution. There should be plenty of dragon items and epics for sale that you can work for at this point. No live server had everyone with an epic and full PD loot, but that's the "solution" people want in place.

[Daldaen]

My greatest point of contention with the whole situation is variance.


It's not classic.
It rewards those who stare at a wall for a 16 hour window doing nothing else (promotes neckbearding).
It discourages casuals from partaking or taking that next step up.
It allows guilds to completely monopolize because mobs almost never spawn together, meaning they never have to make a choice between going for mob X or Y -- especially since the neckbeardiest among us have enough 60 Alts to park at each zone.


The fact that the staff is so vehemently opposed to removing variance is discouraging. I get it, it is likely to increase poopsocking. Well let's make some common sense rules that prevent poopsocking so that we may be allowed to compete without having to stare at a wall for 16 hours.

Don't keep coming at us and saying "you promised to stop poopsocking when we went from holy-Jesus neckbeard levels of 72 hour variance down to you're very unemployed neckbeard levels of 16 hour variance". Well guess what, people will inch forward on any race line until a line is drawn in the sand. Draw that line with a suspension.

Hell, suspend Taken for a month for poopsocking for all I care just so long as you bring us a classic experience with 0 variance and CLEAR anti-poopsocking rules that are CLEAR CUT (I emphasize clarity - 3 in zone when spawns or disqualified. Things that aren't as simple as a number or starting line will just lead to rule lawyering),the penalty for breaking them being suspensions that hurt... Not a week off VP which is extremely weak. The fact that people were complaining about these suspensions is laughable. I can't wait for the next accidental train that happens to kill someone during an Inny engage leads us to a week suspension from PoHate.

[nyclin]

Need examples of more than 2 guilds farming VP during Kunark era on live

to care

every single live server would likely have had more than 2 guilds raiding VP after 3 years of kunark, but since no live server ever saw 3 years of kunark, we'll never know

comparing p99 to live is false equivalency at this point; no server was as top-heavy as p99, and there were literally no guilds that had the resources that TMO/IB do

[Nirgon]

Source of problem 3 years of Kunark

Best suggestion: deal with it

[Velerin]

Funny thing is even if the 50 beardist of all neckbeards in the world started on p99 fresh right now and made a guild, it would probably take them 6 months to a year just to be able to compete just due to the lack of accounts to lockdown multiple spawns. It's all those accounts floating around (when they were legal to buy/sell) that make it unclassic raiding. Someone with multiple lvl 60s camped out at spawns and pops in for 5 minutes to kill a dragon now and then but never really plays more than that anymore is a "hardcore" and someone that plays their main 12 hours a day running around in the game is a "casual". If only there was a way to blow up all the old transferred bought/sold accounts.

[fastboy21]

Source of problem 3 years of Kunark

Best suggestion: deal with it

This.

If it isn't worth it for you then don't play here. The benefits of p99 classic eq outweigh the negatives for me, and (I think) most of the folks who play here.

Blame game and name-calling isn't going to change the situation on p99: the fix is worse than the problem. You throw the classic p99 baby out with the bathwater.

The real fix that I agree with is that, at some point, it is worth it to hit the reset button and start over on the classic timeline. For me, that time could be right now---and I would be totally okay with losing everything and starting over from scratch because I love EQ. I understand that some folks aren't there yet. How long until they are? 2 years? 3 years? 10 years? p99 will hit the tipping point sooner or later eventually. Look at the amount of folks playing red---they aren't playing there because they love pvp. They are playing there because they are craving an EQ server that isn't already over steeped in years of excessive play.

[Buhbuh]

Play Red

[nyclin]

Source of problem 3 years of Kunark

Best suggestion: roll red

ftfy

[toolshed]

I do not hold a law degree so the chances of myself understanding the Treaty of Versailles aka the raid rules on this server is nil.

Honestly though: Velious will fix 99% of these problems. The raiding population is bored and needs more content

[Argh]

There really aren't that many rules, and they're really not that complicated.

They just give people something to quote from when they want to bitch.

[Daldaen]

Velious better be 0 variance.

[iruinedyourday]

There really aren't that many rules, and they're really not that complicated.

They just give people something to quote from when they want to bitch.

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web05/2012/6/25/18/anigif_enhanced-buzz-11966-1340663015-2.gif

[Fame]

Nothing like a bunch of betas talking about rules, thank god for nature.

[Pheer]

There's no real point to arguing about the raid system right now, with Velious (presumably) so close. Level up, gear up as much as you can, and find a guild that you fits how you want to play the game going into velious.

winter is coming, etc. etc.

[iruinedyourday]

There's no real point to arguing about the raid system right now, with Velious (presumably) so close. Level up, gear up as much as you can, and find a guild that you fits how you want to play the game going into velious.

winter is coming, etc. etc.

has anyonen else pointed out the irony that winter never seems to actually be coming in the game of throne books either?

idk i dont read the books.. but just kinda ironic :D

[SCB]

has anyonen else pointed out the irony that winter never seems to actually be coming in the game of throne books either?

idk i dont read the books.. but just kinda ironic :D

The next book is literally called Winds of Winter.