shit's goin down!

[Alarti0001]

Kunark been out long enough. IB and TMO should just rotate mobs with each other till Velious. I mean it comes out 50/50 when you average it out anyway

But how would we update our front-pages?

[Valakut]

Because they know what would happen.

The server would have little to no influx of new players. Even with the ability to move log off rotation99, you would have almost no new blood. Class C guilds have high turnover rate. All hardcore guilds do. But these do especially since you ask people to regularly wake up at 4AM to kill Maestro.

Eventually enough would leave so that they cannot field a force to kill things, specifically come Velious. Their guilds would wither and die, then they will quit outright or some that can't let go will return to rotation 99.

End result, rotation backed server, hardcore neckbeards gone or forced to conform with rotation. Failure to conform would result in banning since GM backed rotation.

Less petition quest, more players participate in an active raid scene, no more FTE battles (maybe a few little skirmishes on Repops), no more tracking for 16 hours (I guess unless you REALLY want Vaniki), minimal batphones (just for repops), scheduled raid times so that you can wait to kill your rotation dragon at 7PM when your members are on even if he spawned at 4 AM.

where do i sign up

[Alarti0001]

where do i sign up

Lol Daldaen seems like someone who would write fan-fiction.

[Rattle Squirrell]

Am i the only one that comes back to check the forums every now and again to see if Velious has finally released......

ONLY TO FIND the same nerds that have been playing this shit for 5 years doing the same thing every single day argueing over the same shit they did 5 years ago?

how the fuck are the devs motivated to keep this shit going?

[Nirgon]

I got you on the 100-200 to start at the same time thing man.

I just don't think there's that many new people to pull from the hopper right now.

It's going to be like blue a... steady trickle.

Most of your best quit, I agree. Look around you. How many that were there for the initial VP train wars vs IB are still around? Not too many.

Some burn out and are replaced by others. Blue isn't going to get a fresh 100 just like red won't.

What I'm asking is 6 people from blue come over with fairly common play times and report their adventures as testimony. Hopefully they draw more. They can accomplish this while having another EQ window open selling their blue stuff in EC.

Then hopefully maybe one day red will be ~350pop-400 and blue will be 750 pop... or at least a ratio around that with red being ~half of blue. It should resolve red being empty and blue being over crowded at the same time.

[Lazie]

Funny thing is Druushk Dies....IB sees their tactic of Training Hoshkar into the pull path didn't work after Kiting him for 6 minutes..... We drop and clear all aggro on our pull....

[Tue Nov 11 21:42:11 2014] Hoshkar engages Maori!

They have the nerve to immediately pull the Dragon again and kill it after kiting it for 6+ minutes. Only dropping it long enough to try to interfere with our pulls. There is no spinning this man. I imagine Sirken being there saw the same things we saw.

[Alarti0001]

I got you on the 100-200 to start at the same time thing man.

I just don't think there's that many new people to pull from the hopper right now.

It's going to be like blue a... steady trickle.

Most of your best quit, I agree. Look around you. How many that were there for the initial VP train wars vs IB are still around? Not too many.

Some burn out and are replaced by others. Blue isn't going to get a fresh 100 just like red won't.

What I'm asking is 6 people from blue come over with fairly common play times and report their adventures as testimony. Hopefully they draw more. They can accomplish this while having another EQ window open selling their blue stuff in EC.

Then hopefully maybe one day red will be ~350pop-400 and blue will be 750 pop... or at least a ratio around that with red being ~half of blue. It should resolve red being empty and blue being over crowded at the same time.

I mean it sounds interesting.... but I don't think I can stomach another character level through Kunark.


Most of your best quit, I agree. Look around you. How many that were there for the initial VP train wars vs IB are still around? Not too many.

Honestly... Maybe like 6 or 7 who are semi active.

[Rais]

Sitting a whole guild in an area he will path over to chase after a person he Trak Touches doesn't make them eggs one guild is breaking. It makes them liable for any aggro they incur because they put themselves in that position. If you knew a train could come roaring down some tracks and you park your car there. Is it the trains fault for destroying your car ?

I agree with the second person's quote. It has always been this way and people have been punished for it. I am glad they support the rule set and logic that if you agro something, you are responsible for all actions of said mob.

I am glad the second person is putting the first person in their place with lack of knowledge and lack of respect of the play nice policy.

You are responsible for the aggro of the mob once you aggro it.

[Alarti0001]

I agree with the second person's quote. It has always been this way and people have been punished for it. I am glad they support the rule set and logic that if you agro something, you are responsible for all actions of said mob.

I am glad the second person is putting the first person in their place with lack of knowledge and lack of respect of the play nice policy.

Which is why you were always a worthless GM. This cultivates a culture of victims. Increases petitions and adds an incentive to purposely placing yourself into "oncoming traffic" so you can sue for damages. Disgusting attitude to have.

[Rais]

You words and achievements on a 15 year old game after you failed when it was new mean nothing to me. Keep chugging away though kiddy.

[Ravager]

Which is why you were always a worthless GM. This cultivates a culture of victims. Increases petitions and adds an incentive to purposely placing yourself into "oncoming traffic" so you can sue for damages. Disgusting attitude to have.

Or just don't train shit and there is no oncoming traffic to play in.

[quido]

It shouldn't be any wonder to the staff why most of the pro players quit playing blue. Raiding in VP is fucking retarded now and there's not nearly enough enforcement on the rules and the spirit of the rules. Blue is retard crybaby petitionquest central now.

Eliminate the stupid fucking rules and just let anything go in VP. Less headache, more fun.

[Nirgon]

Jeremy is not wrong about this

[Ele]

Am i the only one that comes back to check the forums every now and again to see if Velious has finally released......

ONLY TO FIND the same nerds that have been playing this shit for 5 years doing the same thing every single day argueing over the same shit they did 5 years ago?

how the fuck are the devs motivated to keep this shit going?

I like to think sometimes that P99 is an elaborate scheme for a thesis in social psychology or run by the FBI/CIA as social engineering experiment.

[Alarti0001]

You words and achievements on a 15 year old game after you failed when it was new mean nothing to me. Keep chugging away though kiddy.

1. How did I fail?
2. How did you succeed?
3. How is that relevant to now?
4. Is your "success in a video game" a point of pride for you?
5. Is success when you use your GM powers to provide favors for in game ladies you are trying to get with? Including engaged women who you cry about after you can't convince them not to get married?

I can keep chugging away if you want? Still have those VD forum logs.

[Alarti0001]

Or just don't train shit and there is no oncoming traffic to play in.

/facepalm. Is it a train if you get Shroom touched. Ban Trakanon if so.

[Lazie]

It shouldn't be any wonder to the staff why most of the pro players quit playing blue. Raiding in VP is fucking retarded now and there's not nearly enough enforcement on the rules and the spirit of the rules. Blue is retard crybaby petitionquest central now.

Eliminate the stupid fucking rules and just let anything go in VP. Less headache, more fun.

I didn't always believe this myself. I do now. I see how things get manipulated in there when we "Try to do the right thing". It ends up hurting us a lot following the rules when the other guild decides to manipulate aggro to gain a petitionable offense

[Mendo]

I'm done with this server and its corrupt GM's I'm going to post a tell all at Noon PST with all the dirty things the GM's have done with TMO and with IB over the past years.

Got scared? All bark?

[Mastere843]

The only thing sad about this whole situation is all the hate going around. Class R people hating on Class C, IB hating on TMO, Red server hating Blue server, and vice versa. Instead of off calling each others fucked up names, lets just try and enjoy this game.

IB got pissed that trak "trained" them after TMO wiped. It wasn't intentional its just how the game mechanics work. A few days before IB pulled Gore to DL port in and wiped resulting in a lot of people porting in and dying. It happens get over it, no need to go on a petition/rant frenzy.

As for the people who rant about splitting server (class C/R), all that would result in is splitting the population. Which in the end will not be good for anyone. The only thing keeping a mmo server going is healthy pop. Just look at Red server, only reason people don't wanna play on it is because the pop in it sucks.

As for the people ranting about banning IB or TMO or both, all that would result in is a new guild(s) taking their place. The underlying game mechanics wouldn't change and we would have the same problems just with new names.

As for the people ranting about going full class R, all that would result in is a huge number of guilds. If it was full class R the big guilds will break up into smaller guilds to take up more slots in the rotation, obviously. No point in having huge guilds when shit can be killed by 25 when no one is rushing. Plus you will get alt guilds, since a lot of people have multiple lvl 60 on different accounts. There is no way of policing that. So in the end you would end up with 20+ guilds if not more, with each guild getting a kill once every few months.

So everyone just relax, stop arguing/petitioning/hating because if you were in their group you would be doing the same thing they are cause that is just how the overall game mechanics work. It has always been the same problem from live, to prog, to P99 not because of the people but because of the mechanics. Hopefully the more "controlled" raiding required in velious will help with some of this hating.

Stabzer - 60 Rogue

[Alarti0001]

Got scared? All bark?

Ya... I was pulling a Stealin. #Retro

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

I didn't always believe this myself. I do now. I see how things get manipulated in there when we "Try to do the right thing". It ends up hurting us a lot following the rules when the other guild decides to manipulate aggro to gain a petitionable offense

That's some good hypocrisy right there. Little peek into how your brain works, "We lost and didn't break any rules, so they must be breaking rules all the time and getting away with it! Now anything that I do is justified!"

[Alarti0001]

Got scared? All bark?

I will say one thing though. The fact that Deru and Sirken conduct most of their business on Skype should really worry you about the fair application of rules on the server.

The best thing that could happen would be a public forum that is readable by all where decisions and evidence can be presented. There should also be a GM who checks when GM's query what time mobs may spawn.

[Tanthallas]

Oh you guys

[Lyra]

I like to think sometimes that P99 is an elaborate scheme for a thesis in social psychology or run by the FBI/CIA as social engineering experiment.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1158915&postcount=146

I think this server is a study of the long term effects of Everquest (online gaming) on adolescents.

You just thought you were just playing Everquest. You're really the test subjects of someone's thesis.

:D

[Snizatcher]

It shouldn't be any wonder to the staff why most of the pro players quit playing blue.

professional
[pruh-fesh-uh-nl]

(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.
"a professional boxer"
synonyms: paid, salaried

[Lazie]

That's some good hypocrisy right there. Little peek into how your brain works, "We lost and didn't break any rules, so they must be breaking rules all the time and getting away with it! Now anything that I do is justified!"

Ask how many times something I did got petitioned. My whistle is clean sir. Ask any of my guildies. I always say "We have to bow out of this mob" at the slightest hint something we did was wrong. I don't bend rules to get a competitive edge. I don't spend time manipulating aggro of mobs to add them to another guilds pull. That is what makes this crap become a headache. We see where they do it and we because of our guild tag...Get a finger pointed at us.

[Alarti0001]

professional
[pruh-fesh-uh-nl]

(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.
"a professional boxer"
synonyms: paid, salaried


Slang
noun
1.
very informal usage in vocabulary and idiom that is characteristically more metaphorical, playful, elliptical, vivid, and ephemeral than ordinary language, as Hit the road.
2.
(in English and some other languages) speech and writing characterized by the use of vulgar and socially taboo vocabulary and idiomatic expressions.
3.
the jargon of a particular class, profession, etc.
4.
the special vocabulary of thieves, vagabonds, etc.; argot.

[Ella`Ella]

Oh you guys

A sighting!

[Snizatcher]

Oh come on.. My use of the definition was comical. Yours is just defensive and not nearly as giggle inducing.

I'm obviously kidding. But, the fact that it said "a professional boxer" was too perfect to pass up.

[Lazie]

A sighting!

He was just in team speak. Left.

[Ravager]

Oh come on.. My use of the definition was comical. Yours is just defensive and not nearly as giggle inducing.

I'm obviously kidding. But, the fact that it said "a professional boxer" was too perfect to pass up.

Don't mind Alarti, he's the guy at the party that hovers outside conversations and says, "Actually...".

[Alarti0001]

Oh come on.. My use of the definition was comical. Yours is just defensive and not nearly as giggle inducing.

I'm obviously kidding. But, the fact that it said "a professional boxer" was too perfect to pass up.

I hold that my definition was chuckle inducing which is far superior to giggling or even snickering.

[Derubael]

Eliminate the stupid fucking rules and just let anything go in VP. Less headache, more fun.

^removing the "no-rules" status from VP was something that nilbog wanted us to at least try. Was pushing for it for a while, and we finally decided to change it after the raid talks. It is entirely possible to get clean pulls in VP, but I'd still prefer no rules at all simply because it's less headaches for us.


traktouch not training!

One of the first actual rule changes/clarifications I did/was involved with after becoming a Guide was to sit down with Sirken and decide Traktouch trains would be treated just like trains. We told all the senior officers for TMO, FE, and IB about this to ensure all major Trak competing guilds new what was expeccted.

One officer complained that they would no longer be able to tag trakanon quite as early/recklessly with those tiny pull/stall squads everyone used to love, because if they ended up with a bad set of luck and traktouch trained another raid, they'd get hammered. I remember it very clearly because our response amounted to "then dont pull until you're really fuckin sure your raid is ready to go and logged in behind you, because if you try a premature pull and your one aggro guy gets trak'd and trains GuildB, you'll get a guild suspension.

So yeah. This shouldn't have been a surprise. It was a pretty big deal at the time and should have been remembered.

[Alarti0001]

Don't mind Alarti, he's the guy at the party that hovers outside conversations and says, "Actually...".

Ravager you are just no fun....Actually.

[Oleris]

Derubael/Sirken, what will be the outcome from the actions yesterday? Should the server expect no raid mobs for a while? Should class C expect no VP pops or suspended? Should the entire server be ready for no raid mobs in velious?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

I don't spend time manipulating aggro of mobs to add them to another guilds pull.

Yeah this game sure can be a time sink!

[Alarti0001]

One of the first actual rule changes/clarifications I did after becoming a Guide was to sit down with Sirken and decide Traktouch trains would be treated just like trains. We told all the senior officers for TMO, FE, and IB about this to ensure all major Trak competing guilds new what was expeccted.

One officer complained that they would no longer be able to tag trakanon quite as early/recklessly with those tiny pull/stall squads everyone used to love, because if they ended up with a bad set of luck and traktouch trained another raid, they'd get hammered. I remember it very clearly because our response amounted to "then dont pull until you're really fuckin sure your raid is ready to go and logged in behind you, because if you try a premature pull and your one aggro guy gets trak'd and trains GuildB, you'll get a guild suspension.


Why? Can you also link to this rule?

[Dillian]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pm7Zd8hnFPU/UdOaUKx3tII/AAAAAAAAQl4/fWOhHa8E7V0/s320/asian10.gif

[Snizatcher]

Ask how many times something I did got petitioned. My whistle is clean sir. Ask any of my guildies. I always say "We have to bow out of this mob" at the slightest hint something we did was wrong. I don't bend rules to get a competitive edge. I don't spend time manipulating aggro of mobs to add them to another guilds pull. That is what makes this crap become a headache. We see where they do it and we because of our guild tag...Get a finger pointed at us.

You need to understand you're not the only one on your team. I haven't had many interactions with TMO or IB since the rotation. But before it, I have some pretty shitty memories of doing vox and having a raid force ready to engage and being trained by a female monk over and over to give TMO time to get more people into Perma. She even had the nerve to explain how proud she was of her actions. She was given a much deserved short vacation. That is a reflection on her. However, it is the thought that she was proud of what she was doing because it was helping her guilds chances that rubbed me the wrong way. I had never experienced that kind of shit before. No one is faultless or special here. However, now it only really happens between C guilds or at FFA targets. That means there is one common denominator in each of these equations that I will let you figure out.

That is what Chest keeps trying to stress. Not that there is some evil empire or some grand conspiracy, that's Anthrax's job. The shit we all complain about, even TMO and IB comes from the toxic nature of FFA targets. How that makes him crazy or hypocritical I will never understand.

Everytime IB or TMO petitions or fraps the other guild training or doing something "against the rules" and complains about it, you are further proving his point. Not your own.

The red guys are 100% right. This isn't a problem on red because there are inherent mechanics that just don't allow for this to happen. It doesn't fix the problem of having one PvE guild dominating the server for a long time (nihilum) so that servers mechanics are far from perfect.

[Rais]

I will say one thing though. The fact that Deru and Sirken conduct most of their business on Skype should really worry you about the fair application of rules on the server.


I'll agree with this one, but also laugh since Sirkedawg and Derupal always bitched about you crying to them all the time on skype.I think the other mass offended at this was Sloan. Nothing CSR wise should be handled over skype and only through petitions unless the two parties involved decide to talk to the GM involved together on skype. Has always been my stance.

Good call Alarti.

[Alarti0001]

You need to understand you're not the only one on your team. I haven't had many interactions with TMO or IB since the rotation. But before it, I have some pretty shitty memories of doing vox and having a raid force ready to engage and being trained by a female monk over and over to give TMO time to get more people into Perma. She even had the nerve to explain how proud she was of her actions. She was given a much deserved short vacation. That is a reflection on her. However, it is the thought that she was proud of what she was doing because it was helping her guilds chances that rubbed me the wrong way. I had never experienced that kind of shit before. No one is faultless or special here. However, now it only really happens between C guilds or at FFA targets. That means there is one common denominator in each of these equations that I will let you figure out.



Who is this female TMO monk? Did you tell a TMO officer?

[quido]

Oh come on.. My use of the definition was comical. Yours is just defensive and not nearly as giggle inducing.

I'm obviously kidding. But, the fact that it said "a professional boxer" was too perfect to pass up.

I have no doubt BDA players would laugh at something so stupid. Everyone else is familiar with the concept of some words having more than a single precise definition.

[Samoht]

Who is this female TMO monk? Did you tell a TMO officer?

the word "duh" comes to mind

[Alarti0001]

I'll agree with this one, but also laugh since Sirkedawg and Derupal always bitched about you crying to them all the time on skype.I think the other mass offended at this was Sloan. Nothing CSR wise should be handled over skype and only through petitions unless the two parties involved decide to talk to the GM involved together on skype. Has always been my stance.

Good call Alarti.

Sirken use to bitch to me about Sloan or getsome, hokushin about they cried to them on skype all the time. I'm sure he bitches about Unbrella now. Main point to take away is Sirk wants all the power and none of the responsibility. Its the opposite of what is needed.

Sirk and Deru are pretty inept as GM's nowadays. Sirk stopped caring a long time ago. Derubael has always been kinda clueless.
Used to be you needed a burden of proof to show someone was guilty now you need to prove your innocence. Its easier I'm sure.

Course I've known Sirken since he was playing his little gnome necro. Its kinda shocking to see the severe personality shift that happened to him since he started GMing.

He started out as a PvP head who was even more competitive than we would expect. "Don't petition me if you get trained at KC entrance it's a zone out, its your own fault for sitting there" and current Sirken is a full 180 from that.

[Snizatcher]

Who is this female TMO monk? Did you tell a TMO officer?

This was a long time ago. Well over a year ago. Almost two at this point. She was never removed from the guild. I feel like the name started with a Dina... something? Doesn't matter. It's not something I believe any guild would encourage their members to do. What was more frightening was the fact that it was an action that the person was proud to do to help their guild. Once again, I am not saying there aren't people like that in every guild. I am just saying the competitive nature of that tier of raiding certainly rewards people that don't get caught for that type of behavior.

[Alarti0001]

This was a long time ago. Well over a year ago. Almost two at this point. She was never removed from the guild. I feel like the name started with a Dina... something? Doesn't matter. It's not something I believe any guild would encourage their members to do. What was more frightening was the fact that it was an action that the person was proud to do to help their guild. Once again, I am not saying there aren't people like that in every guild. I am just saying the competitive nature of that tier of raiding certainly rewards people that don't get caught for that type of behavior.

You do realize BDA has been known to train people and to exploit also even once warned what they are doing is exploiting? Hell Anthrax stole loot from a VP kill and Rais/Bisch repeatedly trained and memblurd exploited mobs in VP just to spite us. They were super proud.

[ssfarmer]

/sigh

what i dont understand is that IB trains TMO @ naggy and causes wipe..... which causes tmo's aggro to transfer and pull naggy out of lair.... tmo conceded because this is against the rules on our part - imo issue solved ib gets an uncontested naggy

again at trak tmo engages too soon, tmo makes no other attempt other than CRing (even CR and buffed some taken who died when the repop happened) and was almost compeltey full buffed and more than ready to engage a 2nd time before ib goes in..... yet tmo stays back conceding mob (was an argument about this i will say, but no attempt to pull was made) again, ib gets uncontested trakanon while TMO CRs itself + taken people- issue should be resolved

IB has a history of having mobs conceded to them and then bitching to staff about the issue getting 2x the rewards, yet when they are in the wrong they wont do the same thing.... we all thought that arguments were supposed to be worked out between guilds first and tmo is willing but ib wont, i mean just look at them training hoshkar on tmo causing a wipe and then going and killing the mob themselves this past week + dropping hoshkar into our pull (as lazie has shown they used this as a defense to cause a suspension against tmo) yet think its perfectly fine.

To derubael's post:

how bout that rule being posted? why are none of the rulings EVER posted..... are we supposed to just remember every single ruling ever handed down? and why has this never been enforced? its been done on both sides plenty of times since you become a guide and NO punishment has EVER come from it.... i mean i have plenty of fraps of IB doing while i was raiding with them, and its happened a few times since i've been with tmo.... this has NEVER resulted in a punishment.

Can we please at least be consistent with rulings? instead of one week it be one thing and the next week it be something else? this has been an issue for as long as i've raided..... just clearly define situations and make a FAQ and put in raid discussion as a sticky then at least its posted (and this can be updated with each new ruling if something isnt clear about previous rulings) this might have an upfront time cost (minimal considering the time you already spend on things) and should save you plenty in the long run.... and it should stop most arguments

[Lazie]

You need to understand you're not the only one on your team. I haven't had many interactions with TMO or IB since the rotation. But before it, I have some pretty shitty memories of doing vox and having a raid force ready to engage and being trained by a female monk over and over to give TMO time to get more people into Perma. She even had the nerve to explain how proud she was of her actions. She was given a much deserved short vacation. That is a reflection on her. However, it is the thought that she was proud of what she was doing because it was helping her guilds chances that rubbed me the wrong way. I had never experienced that kind of shit before. No one is faultless or special here. However, now it only really happens between C guilds or at FFA targets. That means there is one common denominator in each of these equations that I will let you figure out.

That is what Chest keeps trying to stress. Not that there is some evil empire or some grand conspiracy, that's Anthrax's job. The shit we all complain about, even TMO and IB comes from the toxic nature of FFA targets. How that makes him crazy or hypocritical I will never understand.

Everytime IB or TMO petitions or fraps the other guild training or doing something "against the rules" and complains about it, you are further proving his point. Not your own.

The red guys are 100% right. This isn't a problem on red because there are inherent mechanics that just don't allow for this to happen. It doesn't fix the problem of having one PvE guild dominating the server for a long time (nihilum) so that servers mechanics are far from perfect.

I'm not getting into this discussion again today. I respect that you took the time to type all that out and I read it. I just think it's the grey area rules that causes most of the problems. That's why I never risk it. If anything comes close to hitting that grey area I am one of the first to say. "We gotta give this one up". We need concrete rules with no room for manipulation. Because even our GM's aren't perfect. They try to make the best decisions, but sometimes their interpretation of events may not be what actually happened.

[Alarti0001]

To derubael's post:

how bout that rule being posted? why are none of the rulings EVER posted..... are we supposed to just remember every single ruling ever handed down? and why has this never been enforced? its been done on both sides plenty of times since you become a guide and NO punishment has EVER come from it.... i mean i have plenty of fraps of IB doing while i was raiding with them, and its happened a few times since i've been with tmo.... this has NEVER resulted in a punishment.



What would the US be if we never wrote down our amendments.

[Samoht]

Anthrax stole loot from a VP kill

dumpster diving anthrax taking an axe about to rot is now stealing? /twist

[Alarti0001]

dumpster diving anthrax taking an axe about to rot is now stealing? /twist

Taking something that isn't yours...

take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

Actually by definition yes it is.

[Snizatcher]

You do realize BDA has been known to train people and to exploit also even once warned what they are doing is exploiting? Hell Anthrax stole loot from a VP kill and Rais/Bisch repeatedly trained and memblurd exploited mobs in VP just to spite us. They were super proud.

We can name something a person has done in every guild that has ever raided on this server. VP pre-CS intervention was a shit show of epic proportions. It's just the point that every time you /petition IB or IB /petition's TMO. It goes on to prove that FFA and C are creating a lot of the CS hassles. You and Lazie both said it is crazy how this has become petitionquest/frapsquest. No one likes playing that way. We certainly didn't and that is why we remain in Class R. Don't have to petition crap or deal with trains.

All I am saying is, whether you like it or not, you agree with Chest insomuch that you hate petitionquest/frapsquest/ruleslawyerquest.

[Samoht]

actually, by definition, he looted something that the server was about to delete, anyway, and thus had no owner to claim it as stolen.

[quido]

^removing the "no-rules" status from VP was something that nilbog wanted us to at least try. Was pushing for it for a while, and we finally decided to change it after the raid talks. It is entirely possible to get clean pulls in VP, but I'd still prefer no rules at all simply because it's less headaches for us.

Undoubtedly, things are often fine in VP even with two cut-throat guilds in there, but the amount of foul play that exists each month is absolutely staggering. The opportunity for foul play is incredible in VP, and enforcing/collecting evidence of said foul play is difficult. It is easy to play foully without even being in the presence of anyone else in the game (flopping a dragon on the path of a pull for another dragon). The rules in VP have merely created a system in which the slickest players win. That's right, by being good at being an underhanded cheating fucking asshole, you get to win more. The more dishonest and evasive you are, the better your side does.

Until there is some foolproof system of enforcement (such as zone-wide cameras or mob aggro/position recording), it is 100% more trouble than it's worth having the rules we currently do in VP. I hope you will consider doing us ALL a favor and eliminate them.

[Alarti0001]

actually, by definition, he looted something that the server was about to delete, anyway, and thus had no owner to claim it as stolen.

Server rules state that whomever kills a dragon owns its loot. Actually...

[Samoht]

like i said, /twist

TMO could have been pals and allowed someone else to loot the axe.

but they didn't.

and that's why the rest of us know you as the scum of the server.

[Alarti0001]

like i said, /twist

TMO could have been pals and allowed someone else to loot the axe.

but they didn't.

and that's why the rest of us know you as the scum of the server.

We might have allowed someone else to loot the item.. however anthrax took that choice from us. We often open up loot to whomever is in zone. Sorry buddy the facts don't support your statement.

[Rais]

Don't let Alarti fool you. He petitions more than anyone else. Even zeelot had to tell him to quit shitting all over petition section due to fucking everything up. That's another reason why petitionquest sucked and took so long to get resolved.

[Samoht]

you can say facts while referring to actual facts or you can say facts while referring to bullshit. you seem to prefer the latter case almost every time you post. deleted items have no owners. anthrax saved the axe from deletion. you're still a piece of shit either way.

[Alarti0001]

Don't let Alarti fool you. He petitions more than anyone else. Even zeelot had to tell him to quit shitting all over petition section due to fucking everything up. That's another reason why petitionquest sucked and took so long to get resolved.

I have 13 total raid related petitions.... you really shouldnt make claims I can easily... prove.

[Estolcles]

I have 13 total raid related petitions.... you really shouldnt make claims I can easily... prove.

Elipses prove guilt.

[Ravager]

We might have allowed someone else to loot the item.. however anthrax took that choice from us. We often open up loot to whomever is in zone. Sorry buddy the facts don't support your statement.

In those days you opened it up to whomever had 250k to spend on rots. Not arguing about the ninja looting, though the version of events I always heard was Anthrax was baited into looting it.

[Rais]

So you made 13 shitty raid petitions your own guild leader didn't want you to make and finally forced you to quit after the staff told him to. This isn't including in game petitions either.

Thank you for proving me correct.

[Alarti0001]

In those days you opened it up to whomever had 250k to spend on rots. Not arguing about the ninja looting, though the version of events I always heard was Anthrax was baited into looting it.

Would love to see this transcript. Little chance that happened but I would love to see Anthrax's defense.

[Alarti0001]

So you made 13 shitty raid petitions your own guild leader didn't want you to make and finally forced you to quit after the staff told him to. This isn't including in game petitions either.

Thank you for proving me correct.

Except 13 isn't anywhere close to "more than anyone else" and most of those were at his express instruction... since he was busy with other things, and I had a fairly high success rate.

[drdrakes]

Where else are ~7 people arguing this passionately about something that means so little? This shit is amazing, I bet you are all >25 too.

[Alarti0001]

Where else are ~7 people arguing this passionately about something that means so little? This shit is amazing, I bet you are all >25 too.

Passion dies at 25? Your love life must be very boring.

[Rais]

It's people bored doing work or homework bro. Not many people really take this serious.

[Rattle Squirrell]

This is moderately entertaining to see a bunch of neck-beards fighting over "raid rules".

bahaha

[Troubled]

/sigh

what i dont understand is that IB trains TMO @ naggy and causes wipe..... which causes tmo's aggro to transfer and pull naggy out of lair.... tmo conceded because this is against the rules on our part - imo issue solved ib gets an uncontested naggy

again at trak tmo engages too soon, tmo makes no other attempt other than CRing (even CR and buffed some taken who died when the repop happened) and was almost compeltey full buffed and more than ready to engage a 2nd time before ib goes in..... yet tmo stays back conceding mob (was an argument about this i will say, but no attempt to pull was made) again, ib gets uncontested trakanon while TMO CRs itself + taken people- issue should be resolved

IB has a history of having mobs conceded to them and then bitching to staff about the issue getting 2x the rewards, yet when they are in the wrong they wont do the same thing.... we all thought that arguments were supposed to be worked out between guilds first and tmo is willing but ib wont, i mean just look at them training hoshkar on tmo causing a wipe and then going and killing the mob themselves this past week + dropping hoshkar into our pull (as lazie has shown they used this as a defense to cause a suspension against tmo) yet think its perfectly fine.

To derubael's post:

how bout that rule being posted? why are none of the rulings EVER posted..... are we supposed to just remember every single ruling ever handed down? and why has this never been enforced? its been done on both sides plenty of times since you become a guide and NO punishment has EVER come from it.... i mean i have plenty of fraps of IB doing while i was raiding with them, and its happened a few times since i've been with tmo.... this has NEVER resulted in a punishment.

Can we please at least be consistent with rulings? instead of one week it be one thing and the next week it be something else? this has been an issue for as long as i've raided..... just clearly define situations and make a FAQ and put in raid discussion as a sticky then at least its posted (and this can be updated with each new ruling if something isnt clear about previous rulings) this might have an upfront time cost (minimal considering the time you already spend on things) and should save you plenty in the long run.... and it should stop most arguments

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL

[Alarti0001]

This is moderately entertaining to see a bunch of neck-beards fighting over "raid rules".

bahaha

Its no shave november.

[drdrakes]

Passion dies at 25? Your love life must be very boring.

Dude, you've been fucking this message board all day, who are you talking to about love life?

[Alarti0001]

Dude, you've been fucking this message board all day, who are you talking to about love life?

My love life generally doesn't happen while I'm at work. Still 2:45pm here.

[Rattle Squirrell]

Its no shave november.

lol best thing I have ever seen you post

[Troubled]

lol best thing I have ever seen you post

[Phats]

Who provided you permission to RMT character accounts?

Pre-existing deal before the rule came in, bro. Also had permission at the time.


How them merger talks coming along?

Speaking of Nazi video's.

http://youtu.be/k8JzUx1_nks


http://i.imgur.com/sg6zkec.png (http://youtu.be/k8JzUx1_nks)

[Fael]

One officer complained that they would no longer be able to tag trakanon quite as early/recklessly with those tiny pull/stall squads everyone used to love, because if they ended up with a bad set of luck and traktouch trained another raid, they'd get hammered. I remember it very clearly because our response amounted to "then dont pull until you're really fuckin sure your raid is ready to go and logged in behind you, because if you try a premature pull and your one aggro guy gets trak'd and trains GuildB, you'll get a guild suspension.

If that's the Bright line rule so be it. It Will create a very steep barrier of entry for new guilds to enter c. But it doesn't seem like any will step up anyways, so I guess it doesn't matter.

Dolic

[Lazie]

Who provided you permission to RMT character accounts?



How them merger talks coming along?

Deflection started!!!

[Derubael]

/sigh
To derubael's post:

how bout that rule being posted? why are none of the rulings EVER posted..... are we supposed to just remember every single ruling ever handed down? and why has this never been enforced? its been done on both sides plenty of times since you become a guide and NO punishment has EVER come from it.... i mean i have plenty of fraps of IB doing while i was raiding with them, and its happened a few times since i've been with tmo.... this has NEVER resulted in a punishment.

Can we please at least be consistent with rulings? instead of one week it be one thing and the next week it be something else? this has been an issue for as long as i've raided..... just clearly define situations and make a FAQ and put in raid discussion as a sticky then at least its posted (and this can be updated with each new ruling if something isnt clear about previous rulings) this might have an upfront time cost (minimal considering the time you already spend on things) and should save you plenty in the long run.... and it should stop most arguments

At that particular point in the server, we didn't have much in the ways of concrete rule postings. There were only 2-3 guilds raiding on a regular basis, so we would just relay new stuff to officers/leaders and they'd hand it on down to everyone else. People kept asking for a rules post, but there were so many different little "things" to write up and so much CSR work to do that we simply didn't have time. What we DID do was go to all three major guilds and ask them to use their significant numbers and community driven sourcework to make their OWN rules posts, PM it to us, and then we could easily sort it all together into the official rules set.

I asked for this dozens of times and not a single one of the 200+ people raiding at that time wanted to put the time into writing it all down. Wait, this isn't entirely true - two players did do a very decent write-up that was meant as a "rough draft" for their guild, but they specifically stated it wasn't guild sanctioned and didn't want it used. They still play here and can claim credit if they'd like :)

That particular rule didn't get violated for a long time after it was made. If people were getting trained because of traktouches after that, I've never seen a petition about it, or known that it was happening, until last night.

Edit:

Dolic - curious to see the reasoning for this. I can only see making the guilds with more Trakanon experience (the IB's and TMo's) be more careful and making sure they are ready when they engage helping class R guilds compete on trak kills. Won't be able to read your response until later, but will definitely check it out.

[Ella`Ella]

Who provided you permission to RMT character accounts?



How them merger talks coming along?

Remember when you RMT'd Szeth? I do.

[sanforce]

Eliminate the stupid fucking rules and just let anything go in VP. Less headache, more fun.

^removing the "no-rules" status from VP was something that nilbog wanted us to at least try. Was pushing for it for a while, and we finally decided to change it after the raid talks. It is entirely possible to get clean pulls in VP, but I'd still prefer no rules at all simply because it's less headaches for us.

I'd play again~!

[sanforce]

The good old days: Jeremy wins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMo7w1Fj3MM&list=UUP7LmeKQnqXbXKFyNnF2kFQ)

[Merekai]

Quick question I have after reading most of this ridiculous thread. Why are you in TMO Phats or whoever you are? You spend so much energy directing these posts at your own guildies, it would seem the mature and rational thing to do would be to /guildremove yourself if you get this riled up. I probably shouldn't be using the words mature or rational in reference to any discussion in RnF, however.

If class C wanted a good advertisement to persuade class R guilds not to move up and try out class C, this thread is it btw.

Chev

[Merekai]

Question. Who the hell can follow Lazie/Phats argument? I tried but it makes me want to kill myself for participating in this raid scene

HAHAHA! My thoughts exactly.

Chev

[Racun]

You are responsible for the aggro of the mob once you aggro it. You kited Hoshkar for 6+ minutes and we could not pull him. We knew Sirken was in zone so we decided to pull the Dragons that weren't engaged to be safe. Sirken saw Layze shout he was Dropping Hoshkar right after Druushk got FTE'd. I know he understand aggro mechanics as well.



If this is what you really believe then you admit responsibility for Trak aggroing anyone on the ledge.

[radditsu]

Would love to see this transcript. Little chance that happened but I would love to see Anthrax's defense.

I was there. I even told his ass not to do it. But it was rotting and like 3 secs remaining on that piece of shit.

But no reason to get anthrax suspended.

[Lazie]

If this is what you really believe then you admit responsibility for Trak aggroing anyone on the ledge.

This is the point. They are arguing that for Trak. However, they are trying to say that isn't the case in VP for 2 things that happened yesterday. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[zanderklocke]

The good old days: Jeremy wins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMo7w1Fj3MM&list=UUP7LmeKQnqXbXKFyNnF2kFQ)

Jeremy's videos always have the best music.

[Nukehard]

Remember when you RMT'd Szeth? I do.

I think I heard some shots fire, hold on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czb4rImsph0

[quido]

BDA raidleader obviously too stupid to know better.

Upgrade to class C if you VP rots ya moran.

[ManosMan]

Two questions:

Should I even level to 60?

Is this a red recruitment thread?
I went through that phase on this server too. It goes from 'why bother leveling to 60 until Velious' to 'why bother leveling to 60 at all on blue maybe I'll play red' to 'why bother eq pvp is terribad' to 'hey there's a shadowbane emulator to get me by until Uthgard comes back seeya never'.

[khanable]

woa woa woa

hold on here




there's a shadowbane emulator?

[ManosMan]

Yea it's a got a pretty huge population too. I've been ganked for all my crap at least five times now! It's wonderful!

[quido]

don't worry, I learned that day to never trust a word from tmo leadership.

Wasn't it Getsome who led you to believe it was ok to loot it?

[Lazie]

Do you ever shut the fuck up? Seriously? Being in a guild with you would suck major ass listening to you talk just to hear yourself talk. You probably rant on forever in guild about IB, I can only imagine.

If you read back over your posts, you'll see how much of a dumbass you really are. You are contradicting yourself left and right and cry just as much as anyone else. You were one of the only ones in VP when the repop hit early so it had to be you claiming hoku had camped out near room because I could see you being a little bitch like that when you lost the mob. But you had no proof, had you had some proof , your ass would be petitioning. But you can say whatever you like here.

The whole camping out for mobs is bullshit. Why should a guild have to camp out and deal with any issues of having to log back in, shenanigans that could go on with less people watching or loss any other opportunities when it is FFA. This also gives you more opportunity to stall, running the mob around freely while more people load up because the majority of the engage group died. If anything you wiped because you engaged early and couldn't kill the mob, which it would come to the problem of not knowing what you can do with how many people and still becomes your fault.

At least you attempted paragraphs this time.

[radditsu]

Wasn't it Getsome who led you to believe it was ok to loot it?

Someone egged that shit on. I dont recall getsome saying too much on those raids.

[Aadill]

Question. Who the hell can follow Lazie/Phats argument? I tried but it makes me want to kill myself for participating in this raid scene

I gave up before it started.

[arsenalpow]

goddamn shadowbane was terrrrrrible

[Aadill]

goddamn this whole thread is terrrrrrible

[Servellious]

goddamn this whole thread is terrrrrrible

My favorite part is gm's saying you can get blamed for a mob shroomimg you to another part of a zone and it causing a problem for another guild that shouldn't even be in the near vacinity after another guild has engaged.

[Lazie]

Atleast we didn't get some post again defending your guild for the 1000th time by saying the exact opposite of what you said 6 posts ago.

Reading comprehension. Try it out. I know typing is a struggle for you.

[Mac Drettj]

It was at like 13 seconds according to official encounter logs.

The story goes: IB and BDA were at VP entrance pulling dragon to entrance with like 12 people. TMO zoned in and getsome invited TMO to joint raid down a dragon and in good spirits, zealot accepted. That part may have been trolly by getsome, but whatever. After the dragon died, it had a 30 min corpse. 29 minutes went by and I asked in vent if that 42/50 piece of shit axe was rotting. Getsome asked zealot, and he told him it was probly rotting or whatever. Getsome told me to go ahead and loot it in vent since it was rotting. SO I did. Then a TMO dude asked if I looted it, I said I did. I said if it wasn't rotting and someone was about to loot it that I would submit to a GM to move the loot to that person with no hesitation. Nothing happened, no response to that. Raid over, went to bed.

The next day, a bunch of guilds were poopsocking trakanon in trak's lair. Zeelot got mad cause a bunch of /ooc wasn't going his way or he didn't want BDA to have a tank ready to tank trakanon, so he ordered some marshmellows online from GM Amelinda's online store and she immediately banned me without a reason given. I find out later it was because I ninja looted an item from VP. The item was deleted and not transferred to a TMO person because the GM said that the item TMO wanted the item on was logged off in sebilis at the time the item would have rotted.

So yes, I am the ninja looter menace.

Haha

[Jfertal]

My favorite part is gm's saying you can get blamed for a mob shroomimg you to another part of a zone and it causing a problem for another guild that shouldn't even be in the near vacinity after another guild has engaged.

Poop mnt is pretty fucking terrible spot but everyone uses it. So much room for error, player and mechanics.

[Misto]

Why can't you neckbeards just share the raid content.

[Servellious]

Poop mnt is pretty fucking terrible spot but everyone uses it. So much room for error, player and mechanics.

Oh yeah I know dude what I'm saying is when a guild gets fte the other should gtfo of the way but I guess not just stand on the hill with fraps on and send a petition in that's the new meta

[Jfertal]

Oh yeah I know dude what I'm saying is when a guild gets fte the other should gtfo of the way but I guess not just stand on the hill with fraps on and send a petition in that's the new meta

Ayup I ate a suspension cause of that lol

[xexbis0]

Man, I really got back into EQ with the new raid rules earlier this year. I find the current system as fair as it gets really.

Now this damn server is just a bunch of whiny bitches again. I honestly think it exists at this point not to play EQ, but to find ways to stir drama and whine back and forth on the forums. R guilds barely competing, if at all, on FFA mobs are against Mage tracking? What the fuck is that? There's not even a god damn viable solution or alternative in place and we're voting on this issue TMO convinced everyone was bullshit. TMO pushes every envelope it gets to no consequence. These aren't tears. This is just a flat out opinion that you people are a disgrace to one of the greatest MMOs of all time. Ruin it. I'll play if I want. The power of EQ still holds me. Y'all cause so much bullshit to those that want to enjoy the game. You should be downright ashamed of what a bunch of bitches you are to stoop so damn low constantly.

[dustysr06]

come play red with me xexbis <3

[ssfarmer]

If this is what you really believe then you admit responsibility for Trak aggroing anyone on the ledge.

umm this has never been in question..... tmo has always accepted that the aggro was on us.

what we have used as a defense is that this rule has never been enforced and neither side has ever petitioned it before (as far as i know at least), and the fact that we never attempted a 2nd engage but just CRed (IB was going to be at a bag limit after trak so there was no need to hurry to go anywhere else, so we could take our time, and we helped taken out while we did it)

[SamwiseRed]

what if I told you, disputes could be settled in-game without gm intervention. what if i told you there was an actual way to compete for mobs rather than fly on an unemployed sock with autofire.

[Sirken]

what if I told you, disputes could be settled in-game without gm intervention. what if i told you there was an actual way to compete for mobs rather than fly on an unemployed sock with autofire.

http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/red-pill-or-blue-pill.jpg

[Llodd]

It shouldn't be any wonder to the staff why most of the pro players quit playing blue. Raiding in VP is fucking retarded now and there's not nearly enough enforcement on the rules and the spirit of the rules. Blue is retard crybaby petitionquest central now.

Eliminate the stupid fucking rules and just let anything go in VP. Less headache, more fun.

Whilst IB and TMO (and some random stalling class R toons) are in VP training the shit out of each other on repops this will open up more stuff for Class R right?

[cr0ss]

I hear a bunch of whining non-pvp players in here.

Come join the PvP and actually, truly, contest over raid content. Bring your friends. Bring your guild(s). Bring the PvP.

[thieros]

I hear a bunch of whining non-pvp players in here.

Come join the PvP and actually, truly, contest over raid content. Bring your friends. Bring your guild(s). Bring the PvP.

week 2, 33 cleric on red notes:

- Everyone sucks at their class
- Im poor on red so I dont have sweet twink gear
- People are dumb when it comes to PvP....just camp in a high spot out of sight and log in blow someone up with unexpected nukes and log out
- global ooc is mindless dribble of PRAS, rekt, fire giant, night rider, WINDSTRIKERS
- still 20+ people in mistmoore a night

really hating it, but ill keep goin baby birds

[cr0ss]

week 2, 33 cleric on red notes:

- Everyone sucks at their class
- Im poor on red so I dont have sweet twink gear
- People are dumb when it comes to PvP....just camp in a high spot out of sight and log in blow someone up with unexpected nukes and log out
- global ooc is mindless dribble of PRAS, rekt, fire giant, night rider, WINDSTRIKERS
- still 20+ people in mistmoore a night

really hating it, but ill keep goin baby birds

There are going to be idiots and there are going to be solid players. Just how the world of Norrath works. Working from bare bones in EQ when everyone is already twinked the fuck out sucks dick. I know this because I recently made the same climb. Started with a druid though, so I was able to eventually make cash and semi twink my actual main out (took some time but worth it) for leveling. Still severely undergeared at 50+ but having a blast.

I can't even comprehend playing EQ without PvP. Yeah it's imbalanced as fuck and never will be because these guys want to keep it "classic" but it still brings on that extra layer of difficulty that we all love. Not to mention being able to contest areas/camps/raids/etc. Can't wait to get in on the raid scene more for mass group fights.

[Thulack]

http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/red-pill-or-blue-pill.jpg

You die on the inside when you take the red pill. People who goto Red change and not for the better.

[skipdog]

Working from bare bones in EQ when everyone is already twinked the fuck out sucks dick...

....Still severely undergeared at 50+ but having a blast.

These statements seem to conflict in my brain.

[Origin]

week 2, 33 cleric on red notes:

- Everyone sucks at their class
- Im poor on red so I dont have sweet twink gear
- People are dumb when it comes to PvP....just camp in a high spot out of sight and log in blow someone up with unexpected nukes and log out
- global ooc is mindless dribble of PRAS, rekt, fire giant, night rider, WINDSTRIKERS
- still 20+ people in mistmoore a night

really hating it, but ill keep goin baby birds

My lord, i laughed so hard. It's so true though. Eliminate global ooc and that server instantly becomes 10x more enjoyable.

[jcr4990]

My lord, i laughed so hard. It's so true though. Eliminate global ooc and that server instantly becomes 10x more enjoyable.Remove global ooc and Red becomes a single player game. Population is way too small to not have global chat channel. Unless you're in 1 of the half dozen popular zones there's never anyone in your actual zone.

[sanforce]

as I've always thought... Sirken fucks up blue on purpose to drive people to try red.

It's working. I refuse to play on blue until they fix the terrible raid rules - which will hopefully happen by Velious launch. Until then, Red it is.

[Glenzig]

You die on the inside when you take the red pill. People who goto Red change and not for the better.

You mean they don't sound like a bunch of greedy corporate lobbyists sitting around trying to figure out how best to circumvent the rule set to their guilds advantage? How dare they!!!!

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

You mean they don't sound like a bunch of greedy corporate lobbyists sitting around trying to figure out how best to circumvent the rule set to their guilds advantage? How dare they!!!!

http://38.media.tumblr.com/62489bcf735c31da0af4a2679298e24b/tumblr_mqsbru86j51qbfa4to10_500.gif

[Clark]

http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/red-pill-or-blue-pill.jpg

lol

[Clark]

as I've always thought... Sirken fucks up blue on purpose to drive people to try red.

True reason uncovered page 39. o.O

[Magnar]

Remove global ooc and Red becomes a single player game. Population is way too small to not have global chat channel. Unless you're in 1 of the half dozen popular zones there's never anyone in your actual zone.

Get rid of global ooc and the pissing contest yellow text and maybe more people will go play.

[jcr4990]

Get rid of global ooc and the pissing contest yellow text and maybe more people will go play.Nope

[Waedawen]

These statements seem to conflict in my brain.

Says the fucking Shaman that rolls his face on a keyboard and claims to be good at EQ

[Sckrilla]

Getsome told me to go ahead and loot it in vent since it was rotting. SO I did.

don't worry, I learned that day to never trust a word from tmo leadership.
^lol

[sanforce]

^lol

Was this the Cloak of Piety incident? ninjad!

[khanable]

Was this the Cloak of Piety incident? ninjad!

executioners axe I believe

but do tell

story time

http://www.belleplaine.lib.ia.us/images/2009a/copy_of_preschoolstorytime.jpg

[Lazie]

executioners axe I believe

but do tell

story time

http://www.belleplaine.lib.ia.us/images/2009a/copy_of_preschoolstorytime.jpg

The Setting....Old Sebilis. Trakanon's Lair.

A freshly slayed Trakanon lay there with a Cloak of Peity on it...

Tells were being taken for it as the corpse marches down to 3 minutes left...

Most of the raid had gated or ported out except the select few that put in for the Majestical Cloak.

Enter stage left a raider not listening well in Team Speak...McKenna.

Sitting there furiously conning the corpse checking it's timer...

One last group ports out to leave the few folks there who put in for the cloak...Suddenly...Poof...Trakanon's corpse disappears. Standing there as the giant dragon's corpse fades away...McKenna the stoner chanter.

[kotton05]

Reminds me of the BDA Druid who ninja looted a VS stone. Class R at it's finest;)

[YendorLootmonkey]

Reminds me of the BDA Druid who ninja looted a VS stone. Class R at it's finest;)

Most likely a TMO mole using BDA to gear up their alt. ;)

[Aadill]

Most likely a TMO mole using BDA to gear up their alt. ;)

It was I. I was the mastermind behind everything this server has gone through in the past 5 years, all to be found out by a sniveling ranger.

[contemptor]

So it sounds like nothing is really going down

[kotton05]

Wasn't his name nufwin? Or something. He said he looted it cuz BDA never gets vs. Idk been awhile

[kotton05]

So it sounds like nothing is really going down

Guess we will find out when merbs go into window

[contemptor]

Guess we will find out when merbs go into window
Nah if TMO was going to be banned it would be while nothing is in window yet.

[Mendo]

I will say one thing though. The fact that Deru and Sirken conduct most of their business on Skype should really worry you about the fair application of rules on the server.

The best thing that could happen would be a public forum that is readable by all where decisions and evidence can be presented. There should also be a GM who checks when GM's query what time mobs may spawn.

Just do it!
I need some RnF entertainment today.

[Alarti0001]

Just do it!
I need some RnF entertainment today.

There is no value... all leaking truth does is get you banned. That isn't to say that everyone who is banned was leaking truth.

This will continue to be the case for as long as our admins conduct backdoor deals without making the "legal trial system" public.

[Nirgon]

They aren't corrupt

You're better at EQ than them

Quit being fire giants

[Sirken]

Quit being fire giants

QFT

[Alarti0001]

They aren't corrupt

You're better at EQ than them

Quit being fire giants

Huh?

[Pokesan]

How close are we to velious releasing without raid encounters, Sirk?

[Absolution]

There is no value... all leaking truth does is get you banned. That isn't to say that everyone who is banned was leaking truth.

This will continue to be the case for as long as our admins conduct backdoor deals without making the "legal trial system" public.

Go to sleep and stop smoking crack/meth

[iruinedyourday]

I never knew there were gaming truthers till p99

[Smedy]

http://i.imgur.com/ythBtHF.jpg

wat happend guise?

can i get a tldr red 99 edition, anyone ban ban?

[toolshed]

can i get a tldr red 99 edition, anyone ban ban?

IB + TMO VP banned for 1 week - TMO all raid banned for 1 week

BDA -> Class C

[toolshed]

so no nothing happened tbh

[Absolution]

IB VP banned for 1 week - TMO all raid banned for 1 week & VP for 2 weeks

BDA -> Class C


Fixed

[Smedy]

raid banned huh? sounds like a reward to me

[Absolution]

raid banned huh? sounds like a reward to me

TMO loves raid suspension, so they can spin in RNF. Classic

[Tanthallas]

I'll agree with this one, but also laugh since Sirkedawg and Derupal always bitched about you crying to them all the time on skype.I think the other mass offended at this was Sloan. Nothing CSR wise should be handled over skype and only through petitions unless the two parties involved decide to talk to the GM involved together on skype. Has always been my stance.

Good call Alarti.

I only skyped when I was told to skype. Are you upset you were never invited to our super secret skype meetings?