Bregan de'Asshat

[Magnar]

Had an issue with a BDA bard swarm kiting in OT yesterday. He wasn't being singled out yesterday, as at least 3 others were doing it as well, but this time he IS being singled out because Chest decided to be a hypocritical douchebag.

Let's step into my time machine...

First, we'll go back to Monday night, where Chest spends nearly 2 hours in this live chat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWWLDMLwXM&list=UUno2Zs93i06USAVMFF1NLMA) having a conversation with Sirken about various rules and whatever that seemingly would be 'for the benefit of the server', one topic (which was totally asinine) involved splitting the server.

We'll skip to yesterday, where for several hours, people were peacfully exping in The Overthere, then suddenly an influx of douchebags with banjos come in and start swarm kiting everything. Some people complained in /ooc, some people sent tells to the bards asking them to stop, some people petitioned.

Personally, I only saw Dizsco from BDA in the area I was killing in with a 20+ mob train on him, and it was apparently his first pull, so I asked him to stop disrupting our exp, as per Rule #8 of this post by Derubael. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299) The Play Nice Policy actually has a lengthy conversation citing that Swarm Kiting should have been specifically mentioned as one of the things that is unacceptable by the majority of the community.

The people pulling at SF ramp went from having a steady flow of mobs to nothing in a matter of seconds. Worse off, when we did happen to see something and someone wanted to go pull, every several pulls EVERYTHING the Bard recently killed would respawn and just swarm the puller.

As Dizsco was the only person I physically saw disrupting my own gaming, I tried talking to him about it, asking if he could move somewhere else, but he decided to be a dick about it so I got ahold of BDA leadership and tried to see if something could be done. Apparently Chest only likes to pay attention to rules that benefit him. Images edited to maintain anonymity of group members and hide conversations with staff members.

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So, there we have it, BDA doesn't feel the Play Nice Policy applies to them. Oh, the PnP also states that guild leadership aware of the poor behavior of their members are held responsible for their actions.

I really didn't want to call out the guild as a whole, but when your leader is a steaming shitpile of hypocrisy, it's hard not to.

[Bboboo]

1 Member of BDA = All of BDA

[Magnar]

2 members*, one of which happens to be their leader.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Get this server chat garbage out of my R&F.

[Pringles]

I really dont understand why people go to OT to exp to begin with..... and then expect bards to not be there kiting. Its a prime zone for AE kiting, and it really is "classic" for bards to kite it. Sure they should be respectful to those around them, but the reality is... they're going to kite it.

[Magnar]

I really dont understand why people go to OT to exp to begin with..... and then expect bards to not be there kiting. Its a prime zone for AE kiting, and it really is "classic" for bards to kite it. Sure they should be respectful to those around them, but the reality is... they're going to kite it.

Everyone having access to a ridiculous amount of level 60s and powerleveling everything because it's a free server ISN'T classic, so that excuse is kinda bullshit.

[Jfertal]

You whole argument is Hypocritical.
lol at one point you say its unfair when your puller goes to grab a mob, that potential respawns from the bards kite repop and kill your puller? Heaven forbid these mobs respawn and make this game somewhat challenging for your puller to bring mobs into your group.

[Exmo]

I was in vent with Chest, talking about you while you were bitching. He was honestly trying to be helpful, but you can't expect him to curb behavior that was

1) is Allowed, You said yourself there were 3 other bards going, so no one was monopolizing the zone.

2) Chest is trying to help make the raid scene more accessible, not ensure you have a perfect day.

3) If the fact that everyone has access to multiple 60s really bothers you, you're going to have a bad time playing here.

[Magnar]

I was in vent with Chest, talking about you while you were bitching. He was honestly trying to be helpful, but you can't expect him to curb behavior that was

1) is Allowed, You said yourself there were 3 other bards going, so no one was monopolizing the zone.

2) Chest is trying to help make the raid scene more accessible, not ensure you have a perfect day.

3) If the fact that everyone has access to multiple 60s really bothers you, you're going to have a bad time playing here.

Read Derubael's post. Please, one of you morons go read the post. Nowhere does it say the whole zone needs to be monopolized, just part of it where other people are being disrupted. It's allowed *if it isn't fucking with the gaming experience of other players*.

[Magnar]

Oh, and splitting the server isn't going to make the raid scene more accessible, that's just fucking stupid. The only thing that's going to fix the raid scene is someone on the staff side saying IB and TMO can't play their bullshit destructive game anymore with each other, but that clearly isn't going to happen.

[Jfertal]

So can we all agree this server sucks because of players like magnar?

[indiscriminate_hater]

Personally, I only saw Dizsco from BDA in the area I was killing in with a 20+ mob train on him

LOL. sorry bud but if you think 20 mobs is a problem you've got another thing coming.

[Troubled]

Read Derubael's post. Please, one of you morons go read the post. Nowhere does it say the whole zone needs to be monopolized, just part of it where other people are being disrupted. It's allowed *if it isn't fucking with the gaming experience of other players*.

Sounds like you were fucking with Dizsco's gaming experience. You should leave more mobs up for him.

[Exmo]

So can we all agree this server sucks because of players like magnar?

Second, can I get a 3rd so the Motion Carries?

[Bboboo]

Second, can I get a 3rd so the Motion Carries?

Petition signed.

[Man0warr]

Read Derubael's post. Please, one of you morons go read the post. Nowhere does it say the whole zone needs to be monopolized, just part of it where other people are being disrupted. It's allowed *if it isn't fucking with the gaming experience of other players*.

Sounds like you should have petitioned for a GM to intervene then, if you thought the 4 bards in the zone were monopolizing all the mobs.

I know Dizsco left OT shortly after you got done whining to Chest to go to another zone without 3 other bards pulling mobs.

You could have done the same - there are at least 10 other zones someone your level could get EXP.

[Magnar]

You whole argument is Hypocritical.
lol at one point you say its unfair when your puller goes to grab a mob, that potential respawns from the bards kite repop and kill your puller? Heaven forbid these mobs respawn and make this game somewhat challenging for your puller to bring mobs into your group.

Heaven forbid someone not have to lose hours of their EXP because a ton of mobs spawned on top of them while they're pulling multiple times. Glad you think it's just 'somewhat challenging' to essentially be continually trained by someone else's pulls.

Seems like the only people defending this fucktard are other bards or BDA. No surprise there.

[Raev]

I really dont understand why people go to OT to exp to begin with..... and then expect bards to not be there kiting.

+1. OP, go to Kaesora and get 2x the XP.

That being said, I really wish all PBAOE spells were limited to say 30-40 targets. If people tried to pull the entire zone in classic the way they do now in Chardok/OT/BW, they would have lagged out and died for sure.

[GinnasP99]

Sabertooth tigresses and thorney succulents. Serious bisuness.

[Magnar]

Sounds like you should have petitioned for a GM to intervene then, if you thought the 4 bards in the zone were monopolizing all the mobs.

I know Dizsco left OT shortly after you got done whining to Chest to go to another zone without 3 other bards pulling mobs.

You could have done the same - there are at least 10 other zones someone your level could get EXP.

Did petition for a GM to intervene, already trying to bring up that issue to the senior staff because the response seemed completely contradictory to the intention of the rule.

Why should I, someone I'm grouping with, and 2 other groups of people have to leave a zone we were in first, for several hours before any bards even started pulling there, just because these asshats want to take up the majority of what was being pulled?

The only reason Dizsco and BDA got singled out is because Chest decided to be a cockbite about it. A group I was in had an issue with a guy from IB powerleveling where we had already been pulling from for a few hours in another zone and he wasn't responding to tells so I got in touch with Getsome. Guy apologized, buffed our group, and went elsewhere.

It's great that someone in a raid guild with near infinite resources feels the need to take exp away from people still trying to get to that point.

[Man0warr]

Seems like the only people defending this fucktard are other bards or BDA. No surprise there.

More likely that no one cares. There's like 5 of these bard swarm kiting posts a week.

[Man0warr]

The only reason Dizsco and BDA got singled out is because Chest decided to be a cockbite about it. A group I was in had an issue with a guy from IB powerleveling where we had already been pulling from for a few hours in another zone and he wasn't responding to tells so I got in touch with Getsome. Guy apologized, buffed our group, and went elsewhere.

Chest is abrasive, you aren't bringing any new revelation to the attention of these forums.

[indiscriminate_hater]

some people just want EZ mode EQ. think hard about that, OP

[JackFlash]

wipe it clean. the hole is too deep.

[Bboboo]

Honestly stop petitioning guides/GMs with this shit. I'm sure they are tired of dealing with it. Just go somewhere else so they can handle more important issues. Besides bards usually tire out after a couple of pulls anyway. Go afk, jerk off or whatever you gotta do, come back later.

[Magnar]

Chest is abrasive, you aren't bringing any new revelation to the attention of these forums.

More likely that no one cares. There's like 5 of these bard swarm kiting posts a week.

Well if someone had fucking told me these things then I would have just let it go! I actually haven't seen any other bard swarm kiting posts since I started playing again, then again I haven't been looking for them. If there are that many of them, though, maybe someone should make some sort of concrete ruling about it specifically...

As far as Chest being abrasive, I didn't get that so much as 'there's other people fucking up the zone experience for multiple groups so I'm gonna let my BDA guy do it too instead of stepping up as a guild leader should and doing the right thing'. That was my take on the situation. Like I said, Dizsco was the only one I physically saw pulling in front of ME at the SF ramp. If I actually saw someone else I woulda done the same with them. The situation (initially) had nothing to do with the fact that Dizsco is in BDA, but I think Chest took it as such for whatever reason.

Someone mentioned most people know not to pull from in front of SF ramp, well Dizsco was and it pissed people off.

[Doors]

Great thread. Get a good laugh anytime I read these. Petitionquest is funner than the game.

VS/Sev/Tal/Phara Dar/Gore/Inny/Trak all down this weekend grats Holocaust on all raid loot and zero variance.

[Magnar]

Great thread. Get a good laugh anytime I read these. Petitionquest is funner than the game.

VS/Sev/Tal/Phara Dar/Gore/Inny/Trak all down this weekend grats Holocaust on all raid loot and zero variance.

This festering pile of used condoms is still floating around?

[Heebo]

If you're not a bard, stop being terrible and go level somewhere else.

[arsenalpow]

Ya I'm such a cockbite because a BDA member was kiting a whopping 20 mobs in OT. Get over yourself. I tried to help, you're missing part of your brain, that isn't my fault.

[Jfertal]

Heaven forbid someone not have to lose hours of their EXP because a ton of mobs spawned on top of them while they're pulling multiple times. Glad you think it's just 'somewhat challenging' to essentially be continually trained by someone else's pulls.

Seems like the only people defending this fucktard are other bards or BDA. No surprise there.

I'm not defending anyone here bud, get that straight. Suck a boner

[kotton05]

It's your fault. How you allow people like this in your guild chest? Shouldn't you champion the PnP?

[radditsu]

Chest. Leave the server behind. Come play icewind dale enhanced with me. I still love you.

[arsenalpow]

Had an issue yesterday and the answer I was given by a guide seemed incredibly contradictory to the purpose of rule 8. Basically, I was told that *I* should move because a Bard was swarm kiting where I had been exping before they even showed up (I wasn't alone, either), and that it was OK for them to be taking everything in that particular area, despite others having been pulling from there already, because there were other mobs up in the zone.

and the guide even said you were being unreasonable man, get over yourself

[Derubael]

We actually don't mind intervening when people are monopolizing zones, or disrupting play.

When we get a petition like this, we check to see who's pulling what, where they are pulling from, whether or not groups still have mobs to pull, etc. We can move around the zone much faster than a player can, with Gmspeed and the /goto command,and are able to assess situations much more efficiently as a result. While the bard nearest you may seem to be dominating everything in sight, in reality he may just be forced to pull from that particular area due to other groups/bards/whatever. We try to keep a balance so everyone can play together, bards have every right to XP in OT just like everyone else! Sometimes finding a balance isn't possible, or sometimes we misjudge the situation and make a mistake, but I like to think the CSR staff (especially our Guides) do a great job of making sure everyone can kill things in whatever zone they want to kill things in.

Moving a player (bard or any other class) or regulating where they can pull is always a last resort. More often than not a simple tell to the player in question resolves any issues within a ten or fifteen minutes when mobs being to spawn again. Sometimes it's hard to tell if the situation is even improving when you're in a full group trying to get as many mobs as you can to the ramp! Then suddenly you realize you're back to steady pulls and you feel silly for getting so worked up.

I personally make exceptions for two situations - the first is bards involved in massive kite pulls to power-level, particularly where another AE class is doing most/all of the damage. These groups are usually a "most mobs per hour" type mentality and tend to need extra policing or they get out of control. The second is any high-level class messing around in a lowbie zone, pulling more than a camp or two. It really irks me when I see a level 60 in Crushbone laying waste to the zone - I really wish players would be more considerate in dungeons, especially in the entry level dungeons where players returning to EQ after a decade often go to experience their first "dungeon nostalgia" kick. There's nothing more disheartening than seeing a player with their first toon on p99 run into Crushbone, hooting and hollering, only to find everything is dead because someone is powerleveling.... or worse, collecting shoulder pads (wtf?). That specific action usually causes players to get frustrated and/or confused and leave the server, all because someone wanted to PL in an easy area.

We do our best to make sure everyone can enjoy all zones, regardless of class!

p.s. Stay out of Kurn's tower you filthy power-levelers. Leave my lizards alone!

[Nivar Quartz]

Typical BDA "forumquesting click" picking on a fine outstanding member of the p99 community is all I see here, +1 for telling Anthrax you didn't need him you had his boss on the other line also.

/BDA GM Favoritism

/Chest is Bossy

/Cucumbers nowhere to be seen with a clever 1 liner

Obviously BDA should take a OT suspension of 2-4 weeks minimum.

[Anichek]

Typical BDA "forumquesting click" picking on a fine outstanding member of the p99 community is all I see here, +1 for telling Anthrax you didn't need him you had his boss on the other line also.

/BDA GM Favoritism

/Chest is Bossy

/Cucumbers nowhere to be seen with a clever 1 liner

Obviously BDA should take a OT suspension of 2-4 weeks minimum.

Can we still hammer into Outpost though?

[Ravager]

Everyone stay out of OT and you'll have more fun.

The shitty player progression:

1-10 East Commonlands (can I haz regen/ds/hp/sow plz?)
11-15 West Commonlands (stop killing the guards!)
15-20 Oasis (orc highway looking for healz)
20-30 Lake of Ill Omen/South Karana (stop taking our merbs bards!)
30-40 Overthere (stop taking our merbs bards!)
40-50 City of Mist (stop taking our merbs shamans!)
50-55 Karnors (train to zone!)
55+ Sebilis/Howling Stones (/tell Nearestcleric pay you 200p for rez)

Play in dungeons early and often or you're gonna have a bad time.

[Verenity]

Posting in a BDA circlejerk to plebian tears

[indiscriminate_hater]

Posting on a 2-way backfire thread

[arsenalpow]

If Deru is defending BDA then you absolutely know than we weren't in the wrong, because that NEVER happens.

[Glenzig]

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh634/gentlemantexter/tumblr_lwe14rIhtA1qf4elio3_250.gif

[Hasbinphat]

If Deru is defending BDA then you absolutely know than we weren't in the wrong, because that NEVER happens.

Chest is love, Chest is life.

[Kekephee]

If mobs are spawning on top of your puller, it means your puller has access to multiple mobs and exp is not being disrupted


Good troll I got mad

[Derubael]

If Deru is defending BDA then you absolutely know than we weren't in the wrong, because that NEVER happens.

i defend bda and its players all the time.

if im defending/agreeing with chest or anthrax THEN you know you need to re-evaluate your position.

[Jfertal]

hahaha wtf kind of video is that? why the extensive commentary???

[Teako]

The biggest crime in that video is the Luclin models, Susvain.

Also, you're crying over a 20 mob train? Really? Realllly..? You know at like 6am EST bards pull 100+ mob trains, and people just go hunt elsewhere. Your opinion on "zone disruption" is very skewed.. The rule is intended so that one single player, or group of players cannot take an entire zone and make it completely unplayable for other players. Like Deru's reference of a level 60 PL stomping Crushbone, or a PL team that takes every floor of kurns. 20 out of the 150 exp mobs in OT is not disruption, sorry champ. Bards have every right to gain experience just the same as your party does. What's next, you're going to cry enchanters aren't giving you clarity/haste because they're soloing?

You're the kid who shows up to Mistmoore with a full group trying to take an already claimed Pond, and then freaks out when the fungi twink monk wont leave so your group can take it... even though he was there first... aren't you?


Protip, as a bard who's done.. way too many circles in OT PL'ing random people there completely free (ask around, brah) - if you're nice to them, and treat them with courtesy/respect.. they'll likely let you join for one out of every 5 pulls to compensate for your implied "stolen" exp. However, nobody at any point at any time in any game or any universe owes you anything. If you walk in at them screaming like a moron, and acting entitled to things they're equally entitled to.. they wont help you. Ever.

TL;DR - BARD TOOK ER MERRRBS.

[Teako]

double post, waah, can't edit in RNF.

Your first tell to Chest was a wall of text bitching about one of his guildmates. Maybe he was busy? Try leading with "Hi, I'm having a small issue with one of your members. When you have a second, can we discuss it?"

instead of

"OH MY FUCKING GOD THIS GUY IS TAKING EVERY MOB AND I AM CLEARLY ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THREE OTHER BARDS HERE FROTH FROTH RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE #LRON"

[arsenalpow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr7MZr9bnuk&feature=youtu.be

just saying this guild is scum. officers of tmo breaking rules on purpose. sad

fixed it all for you, you're welcome

[sulpher01]

If your exping in OT and your not a bard... your doing it wrong.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

If your exping in OT and your not a bard... your doing it wrong.

Druids tho

[Godefroi]

A thread shitting on BDA and Chest?

Rated 5*

thxxxxxx

[arsenalpow]

A thread shitting on BDA and Chest?

Rated 5*

thxxxxxx

You have zero integrity. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?99971-lt-The-mystical-order-gt-king-of-cheat-and-suspensions-history-of-the-most-hated-guild&p=865170&viewfull=1)

[Faron]

If your exping in OT and your not a bard... your doing it wrong.

If my exping in OT and my not a bard... my doing it wrong?

[Schwing]

If my exping in OT and my not a bard... my doing it wrong?

A bit presumptuous of you to assume he was talking about your exping in OT and not, say, my exping in OT and my not a bard.

[Godefroi]

You have zero integrity. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?99971-lt-The-mystical-order-gt-king-of-cheat-and-suspensions-history-of-the-most-hated-guild&p=865170&viewfull=1)

As long as it makes you cry so much, it's cool to have none :D

http://wiki.project1999.com/auctiontracker/Eye_of_Innoruuk.png

[Grimfan]

Actually thought Chest was being reasonable, just because someone doesn't do exactly what you want them to doesn't make them a "cockbite" or whatever else you want to call them. The fact that he tried to explain to you that one bard wasn't your problem, but many bards, showed that he was willing to talk things out with you about it, but he isn't going to tell his guildie to leave the zone.

[Dizey]

@Thrall

I had just arrived in the zone and started my kite to help PL a friend when you sent me a message telling me to stop swarm kiting, claiming it was illegal, and essentially threatening to contact my guild officers or petition me if i didn't comply. Rather than asking me to simply leave mobs up where you were camped, which I would have happily done, you wanted to argue about the legality of swarm kiting in an attempt to rule lawyer me out. I wasn't willing to argue with you, especially while mobs were chasing me, so I asked you to stop sending me tells.

I'm well aware of the PnP with regards to swarm kiting. It's something I, and several of my fellow BDA members, have discussed several times in the past. I get that it can be frustrating for people trying to exp in places like OT and LoIO, and I always try to be courteous and accommodating to others exping in the area. That being said, my 20-30 mob kite, which consisted of mostly cats and sarnaks that I pulled from areas well away from where players set up exp camps, wasn't monopolizing or disrupting your exp. While gathering those mobs, I noticed 3 other bards in the zone swarming, which was obviously why you were strained to find mobs, and why I cut my pull short and moved to FV.

It seems to me that you were frustrated from a situation that was already present when I had arrived in the zone, and being the first bard you saw, you decided to take that frustration out on me. As I mentioned already, I understand, but had you sent me a tell making the reasonable request to leave mobs up for you, the response you received would have been much different. However, as a consolation prize, you did annoy Chest. I'm pretty sure that's a win.

[radditsu]

If my exping in OT and my not a bard... my doing it wrong?

Do you have a fire dragon tooth? If no, then never do OT

[Ravager]

Druids tho

They should be building groups for dungeons. They have the perfect tools for that.

[Mirana]

Non-quadders / swarmers still exp in The Overthere?

I'd slip into a coma.

[Daldaen]

They should be building groups for dungeons. They have the perfect tools for that.

Druids should be charm soloing. Rhinos and Tigers are animals and almost always ignored by bard swarmers.

That being said. Put on your big boy pants and learn to solo Kedge Keep. You will attain skills necessary to be a valuable member of any group when you solo one of the hardest zones in game.

If you're feeling really lazy, druids can pull Mistmoore/CoM easilt with Harmony.

[Locust]

i didn't read any of the replies but.. bards can't swarm in dungeons

i guess i'll never understand the allure of killing meat and vegetables next to the comfort of a zone line in a full group with no threat of dying unless someone trains a cliff golem while i'm reheating hot pockets

[zanderklocke]

Do you have a fire dragon tooth? If no, then never do OT

What happens if you go LD after using fire dragon tooth?

[wwoneo]

I really dont understand why people go to OT to exp to begin with..... and then expect bards to not be there kiting. Its a prime zone for AE kiting, and it really is "classic" for bards to kite it. Sure they should be respectful to those around them, but the reality is... they're going to kite it.

^ this

[Ella`Ella]

What happens if you go LD after using fire dragon tooth?

Bye bye bones.

[Jfertal]

What happens if you go LD after using fire dragon tooth?

you petition and cry on the forums that is was the bards kite that crashed the zone causing you to LD and ask for reimbursement on your tooth.

[radditsu]

What happens if you go LD after using fire dragon tooth?

Cry

[indiscriminate_hater]

tooths not rechargeable?

[sulpher01]

tooths not rechargeable?

Pretty sure it poofs?

[khanable]

yea it's expendable, goes poof

[Reguiy]

You have zero integrity. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?99971-lt-The-mystical-order-gt-king-of-cheat-and-suspensions-history-of-the-most-hated-guild&p=865170&viewfull=1)

Great find, assuming that guy is in TMO now.

[Ravager]

Great find, assuming that guy is in TMO now.

TMO serves some strong Kool-Aid.

[Kushie]

i still dont understand who or what "chest" is, is it because ur all weird or am i weird

Chest:
http://www.thenug.com/sites/default/pub/022814/thenug-rR31VsY4hg.gif

[drdrakes]

From what I understand Thrall is a Dbag to everyone he meets and takes EQ SUPERFUCKINGSERIOUSLY.
Good Thread <thumbs up>