religion

[greenblze420]

if your religious your a fucking idiot and if u donate money to said religion your a bigger fucking idiot? you do realize all that does is help who ever owns the church get a 2ed house and 4th car?

[Gaffin 7.0]

some 1 is mad at life

[greenblze420]

fuck no.... I got a badass job, im banging some rich dudes gf, and this other 18yr old chick whos fine as fuck and I just smoked a fat ass blunt im lovin life

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Capital I, you're, you, you're, (why is there a question mark at the end of this statement?), capital Y, whoever, runs (individuals don't own churches *citation needed*), 2nd.

Fucking stoners man...

[greenblze420]

fucking homos who try 2 spell check the internet,,, if u think im a take the time to type a completely proper sentence in rnf ur dumber the your signature makes you look btw anime is for fucking homos

[greenblze420]

and I dunno why there is a question mark there

[Daldolma]

may you be saved, oh lost and wandering lamb

[Susvain2]

pras greenboner

[quido]

you have smoked yourself retarded

[Lojik]

was the handle greenblaze420 already taken...did you pull a relapse...or ^

[Champion_Standing]

http://rs1img.memecdn.com/christmas-isnt-for-you-atheists_o_949636.jpg

[greenblze420]

http://rs1img.memecdn.com/christmas-isnt-for-you-atheists_o_949636.jpg

ya free fucking gifts *****

[greenblze420]

and I think I was just really high and misspelled my name didn't even notice till a few months ago

[Susvain2]

how many fucks u give right now doe

[greenblze420]

how many fucks u give right now doe

only fuck I ever give is when their is a fine piece of pussy waiting for the D

[Susvain2]

greenboner a true hero

[Pokesan]

btw anime is for fucking homos

[Misto]

only fuck I ever give is when their is a fine piece of pussy waiting for the D

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/s4s/image/1386/08/1386086874716.jpg

[greenblze420]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/s4s/image/1386/08/1386086874716.jpg

lol I know that most of u find it hard 2 believe some of us actually fuck fine bitches and don't have 2 settle for fat nasty cows who will take any d but yes its true sorry to rub it in so rude of me

[Azure]

Everyone dies. Everyone is part of something bigger. Everyone is influenced by something that they don't consider themsevles. Everyone lacks understanding. No one knows the truth. The truth always changes. Life is the transmission and duplication of information. Machines duplicate and transmit information. We build the machines. Cylons are fucking gr8.

[Ahldagor]

Everyone dies. Everyone is part of something bigger. Everyone is influenced by something that they don't consider themsevles. Everyone lacks understanding. No one knows the truth. The truth always changes. Life is the transmission and duplication of information. Machines duplicate and transmit information. We build the machines. Cylons are fucking gr8.

What Plato?

[Aviann]

Such truth. Such thought.

[myriverse]

http://rs1img.memecdn.com/christmas-isnt-for-you-atheists_o_949636.jpg
Pfft. We had Christmas before anyone's messiah was even thought of.

[Glenzig]

Pfft. We had Christmas before anyone's messiah was even thought of.

Atheists? No. The celebrations that became Christmas were absolutely an undeniably religious in nature. Calling it a secular holiday is a joke.

[Dany]

if your religious your a fucking idiot and if u donate money to said religion your a bigger fucking idiot? you do realize all that does is help who ever owns the church get a 2ed house and 4th car?

It's the truth . (period)

[radditsu]

Santos Claus isnt religious.

[myriverse]

Atheists? No. The celebrations that became Christmas were absolutely an undeniably religious in nature. Calling it a secular holiday is a joke.
Nah. Seasonal celebration is all.

[Glenzig]

Nah. Seasonal celebration is all.

Seems legit.

[Azure]

I have never read Plato and my memory lacks any direct references to him. But he must be living on through me or something that is me but I don't know is me.

[Aviann]

Atheists? No. The celebrations that became Christmas were absolutely an undeniably religious in nature. Calling it a secular holiday is a joke.

Atheists and Christians no. Christmas is stolen mainly from the pagans, even down to the symbolism of the fucking Christmas tree. Research the celebration of Saturnalia.

Jesus may have been real, but he created a long line of assholes.

[Pringles]

Why does it ruffle your jimmies so hard when someone else decides they want to participate in religion?

Thats like being upset that someone in P99 uses Luclin models. Neither has any impact on you, so stop crying.

[Glenzig]

Atheists and Christians no. Christmas is stolen mainly from the pagans, even down to the symbolism of the fucking Christmas tree. Research the celebration of Saturnalia.

Jesus may have been real, but he created a long line of assholes.

Trust me I've done the research. I wasn't saying it was Christian. Christmas is everything but Christian.

[Whirled]

http://festivusweb.com/festivus-pole.htm

http://www.delish.com/cm/delish/images/Ms/8-how-grinch-stole-christmas-movie-food-scenes-ys1212-mdn.jpg

[Zadrian]

http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/stash-1-50b458e441505.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Why does it ruffle your jimmies so hard when someone else decides they want to participate in religion?

Thats like being upset that someone in P99 uses Luclin models. Neither has any impact on you, so stop crying.

This comparison is very, very flawed to the point where I'm 50/50 on whether it's a troll post. Luclin models on someone's client effects nobody, Religion effects everybody.

[iruinedyourday]

Why does it ruffle your jimmies so hard when someone else decides they want to participate in religion?

Thats like being upset that someone in P99 uses Luclin models. Neither has any impact on you, so stop crying.

even if a billion people were practicing a religion that required them to eat a thousand babies... It would not be as offensive as a single person on p99 using luclin models.

[leewong]

This comparison is very, very flawed to the point where I'm 50/50 on whether it's a troll post. Luclin models on someone's client effects nobody, Religion effects everybody.

Last I checked no one has flown planes into buildings over the Luclin models. Also, to act like religion doesnt guide political thinking in this country is beyond asinine. Take this dumbass senator for instance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZllaNieVetw

[bktroost]

I'm a missionary to children. I spend my life helping kids anywhere in life from drug homes, homelessness, abusive families, to the average white collar american family, well to do families... on and on. I don't even have a car. I have 2 BFA degrees and chose to give up making over 100 grand a year because money does not breath, does not cry, has no emotions, is easily wasted and buys everything but happiness.


There's more to life than sodomizing 18 year old girls and smoking yourself into a coma. Well... maybe not yours, but there could be. but either way, your point is moot. There certainly are manipulative monstrous people that will use something good and beneficial like faith to create a religion of personal gain. Duh. But not everyone.

Themfeels.jpg? Why so jaded?

[Estolcles]

even if a billion people were practicing a religion that required them to eat a thousand babies... It would not be as offensive as a single person on p99 using luclin models.

Amen.

[Estolcles]

There certainly are manipulative monstrous people that will use something good and beneficial like faith to create a religion of personal gain.

Hello Scientology.

[bktroost]

Hello Scientology.

I wish it was only Scientology.

[iruinedyourday]

I always attribute the terrible things Religion does to bad people, not the religion itself.. people are bad, religion isn't so bad but what evil you can do with it, bad people do well.

The only thing wrong with religion is it allows really DUMB bad people to do bad things.. Like you can be one dumb ass mother fucker, and use religion as a powerful tool.

At least in economics you have to be smart to be bad...

[leewong]

I'm a missionary to children. I spend my life helping kids anywhere in life from drug homes, homelessness, abusive families, to the average white collar american family, well to do families... on and on. I don't even have a car. I have 2 BFA degrees and chose to give up making over 100 grand a year because money does not breath, does not cry, has no emotions, is easily wasted and buys everything but happiness.


There's more to life than sodomizing 18 year old girls and smoking yourself into a coma. Well... maybe not yours, but there could be. but either way, your point is moot. There certainly are manipulative monstrous people that will use something good and beneficial like faith to create a religion of personal gain. Duh. But not everyone.

Themfeels.jpg? Why so jaded?

And there are plenty of people that do the same without the promise of an "eternal reward" later. Christians do have a monopoly on kindness. If you can do your work without the poisoning of young children's minds then I commend you. Otherwise, you are doing more harm than good for humanity.

Asking a starving person to "thank god" before you give them food is akin to blackmail. I gave about 15% of my income to charity last year with NO STRINGS ATTACHED. How about you?

[Champion_Standing]

Muslims gonna cut all your fuckin heads off, infidel trash.

[bktroost]

[QUOTE=leewong;1615336]And there are plenty of people that do the same without the promise of an "eternal reward" later. Christians do have a monopoly on kindness. If you can do your work without the poisoning of young children's minds then I commend you. Otherwise, you are doing more harm than good for humanity.

Asking a starving person to "thank god" before you give them food is akin to blackmail. I gave about 15% of my income to charity last year with NO STRINGS ATTACHED. How about you?[/QUOTE

Interesting reply. Note that I did not say I was christian, nor did I say I do any form of philanthropic or humanitarian type of service for these children.

I just said "missionary" and "help".

[leewong]

Muslims gonna cut all your fuckin heads off, infidel trash.

I drew a picture Of Muhammad for em:

http://www.mundosinislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Muhammad-WANTED2-670x300.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I just said "missionary" and "help".

I saw that trap a mile away. Shame on you.

[bktroost]

I saw that trap a mile away. Shame on you.

XD it was actually intended for you. I'll have to come up with something else.

[leewong]

Interesting reply. Note that I did not say I was christian, nor did I say I do any form of philanthropic or humanitarian type of service for these children.

I just said "missionary" and "help".

A missionary is a member of a religious group sent into an area to do evangelism or ministries of service. You claim to help so I have to ask. Does your help involve prayer or bible study for these unfortunate children? 99% chance it does.

Also, "that will use something good and beneficial like faith"

Beneficial? Good? Since when is belief without evidence a good or beneficial thing?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

XD it was actually intended for you. I'll have to come up with something else.

I was actually going to jump on it and make a multi-paragraph mess about your purposeful misuse of the word missionary but I decided to beat a SJW deeper into the ground again. :p

[bktroost]

A missionary is a member of a religious group sent into an area to do evangelism or ministries of service. You claim to help so I have to ask. Does your help involve prayer or bible study for these unfortunate children? 99% chance it does.

Also, "that will use something good and beneficial like faith"

Beneficial? Good? Since when is belief without evidence a good or beneficial thing?

Ah, the pejorative insinuations. I am happy to answer any questions in PMs, however, you will only find answers to the questions that you seek. If you do not desire the answer, do not ask the question.

[HippoNipple]

Everyone dies. Everyone is part of something bigger. Everyone is influenced by something that they don't consider themsevles. Everyone lacks understanding. No one knows the truth. The truth always changes. Life is the transmission and duplication of information. Machines duplicate and transmit information. We build the machines. Cylons are fucking gr8.

This poster cut his nuts off on purpose.


At OP

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/c2/c2c84ac3a5b4d37fa9300b147d3daa42240685c15e4284b5df 94e493c1bc57c8.jpg

[Pringles]

This comparison is very, very flawed to the point where I'm 50/50 on whether it's a troll post. Luclin models on someone's client effects nobody, Religion effects everybody.

hehe yeah.... I live in Utah, the biggest religion influenced state....

[leewong]

Ah, the pejorative insinuations. I am happy to answer any questions in PMs, however, you will only find answers to the questions that you seek. If you do not desire the answer, do not ask the question.

You insinuated you were religious with the words "missionary" and "faith". I said missionaries use food and charity as blackmail...it's not pejorative if/when it is absolutely true.

If you refuse to have an open conversation about your faith/work that is fine. It makes you look like you are weaseling out of the argument but I cant force you to debate openly.

[Ahldagor]

I have never read Plato and my memory lacks any direct references to him. But he must be living on through me or something that is me but I don't know is me.

You go to public school?

[Misto]

lol I know that most of u find it hard 2 believe some of us actually fuck fine bitches and don't have 2 settle for fat nasty cows who will take any d but yes its true sorry to rub it in so rude of me

Stop saying D.

It's fucking irritating.

Reminds me of that new show Zombie Nation on Sci-Fi where they say Z's for zombies.

[Estolcles]

Stop saying D.

It's fucking irritating.

Reminds me of that new show Zombie Nation on Sci-Fi where they say Z's for zombies.

So are you saying you don't want the "D"?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Stop saying D.

It's fucking irritating.

Reminds me of that new show Zombie Nation on Sci-Fi where they say Z's for zombies.

"Z's" is a ripoff description that became a niche term. "The D" is about as mainstream as lol these days.

[Misto]

Regardless. If said undead apocalypse occurs.

I'll make it a priority to kill anyone who doesn't refer to the undead as the undead.

[greenblze420]

Why does it ruffle your jimmies so hard when someone else decides they want to participate in religion?

Thats like being upset that someone in P99 uses Luclin models. Neither has any impact on you, so stop crying.

becuz I cant stand retards and people who cant think for themselves

[greenblze420]

I'm a missionary to children. I spend my life helping kids anywhere in life from drug homes, homelessness, abusive families, to the average white collar american family, well to do families... on and on. I don't even have a car. I have 2 BFA degrees and chose to give up making over 100 grand a year because money does not breath, does not cry, has no emotions, is easily wasted and buys everything but happiness.


There's more to life than sodomizing 18 year old girls and smoking yourself into a coma. Well... maybe not yours, but there could be. but either way, your point is moot. There certainly are manipulative monstrous people that will use something good and beneficial like faith to create a religion of personal gain. Duh. But not everyone.

Themfeels.jpg? Why so jaded?

you sir are excuse for a human... turn down a 100gs to help a bunch of drug addict homeless fucks?(btw im homeless atm and love drugs) trying 2 help drugs addicts is like trying 2 win the war on drugs your a idiot if u think ur going to win

[greenblze420]

and who the fuck doesn't want to bang sexy fine as fuck 18yr olds

[greenblze420]

Stop saying D.

It's fucking irritating.

Reminds me of that new show Zombie Nation on Sci-Fi where they say Z's for zombies.

im so sorry I will never do it again

[Champion_Standing]

half retarded wigger is my 3rd favorite troll persona, keep up the good work champ

[greenblze420]

half retarded wigger is my 3rd favorite troll persona, keep up the good work champ

thanks I was afraid my work would go unnoticed

[Glenzig]

you sir are excuse for a human... turn down a 100gs to help a bunch of drug addict homeless fucks?(btw im homeless atm and love drugs) trying 2 help drugs addicts is like trying 2 win the war on drugs your a idiot if u think ur going to win

You need to get back to work on your GED bro. Your grammar is atrocious even for the internet.
"You are an excuse for a human"????

[Azure]

You go to public school?

Well, I don't really remember my childhood. But I am certain there were a few public schools in there. I do remember some hallways and very angry teachers and some good fights.

So, I suppose my brainwashing is complete! ;)

[Azure]

Also there was something about the macaroni and singing abc's in preschool... that seems to never leave my mind.

Also if your a missionary and your posting on these forums, I hope your preaching EQ religions.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Well, I don't really remember my childhood.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Johnny_mnemonic_ver1.jpg

[Azure]

I don't remember much of that movie either lol. But thx for tryin to e-flirt

[greenblze420]

I type shit and rarely give it a 2ed read to make sure I didn't fuck shit up so fuck all u grammer Nazis ...I graduated highschool with a 1.0gpa and took sophomore English 3 times cuz I was to bizzy fuckin yo bitch and selling drugs

[SenoraRaton]

half retarded wigger is my 3rd favorite troll persona, keep up the good work champ

Curious, #1 & #2?

[Doors]

naw.

[GinnasP99]

You insinuated you were religious with the words "missionary" and "faith". I said missionaries use food and charity as blackmail...it's not pejorative if/when it is absolutely true.

If you refuse to have an open conversation about your faith/work that is fine. It makes you look like you are weaseling out of the argument but I cant force you to debate openly.

Rekt

[paulgiamatti]

This comparison is very, very flawed to the point where I'm 50/50 on whether it's a troll post. Luclin models on someone's client effects nobody, Religion effects everybody.

Affects.

[daasgoot]

becuz I cant stand retards

I type shit and rarely give it a 2ed read to make sure I didn't fuck shit up so fuck all u grammer Nazis ...I graduated highschool with a 1.0gpa and took sophomore English 3 times cuz I was to bizzy fuckin yo bitch and selling drugs


nuff said.

[Champion_Standing]

Curious, #1 & #2?

#1 Concerned parent
#2 Tiggles

[mtb tripper]

here here!

[Rushmore]

Who you seek the truth! Pray to a GOD you may not believe in ask him if he exists to come into your heart and save you you'd be surprised what might happen next!

Seek the Truth it will find you!

[Patriam1066]

Last I checked no one has flown planes into buildings over the Luclin models. Also, to act like religion doesnt guide political thinking in this country is beyond asinine. Take this dumbass senator for instance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZllaNieVetw

Genghis khan, Stalin, Mao, Khrushchev, Pol Pot

What religion did they follow? Stupidity, just like you!
Genghis Khan doesn't actually belong there as he had a shamanistic religion, but you get the point. People do evil things for a variety or reasons, mostly because they're pussies or sociopaths.

Also, mass hysteria over a fictitious "war on women" manipulates political opinion, what's your point? Something that influences public policy in a way that you don't like should be banned? Sounds like democracy in action, dumb ass

[Patriam1066]

half retarded wigger is my 3rd favorite troll persona, keep up the good work champ

Hahahahahahahaha rofl

Also I think he went full retard a couple of times

[leewong]

Genghis khan, Stalin, Mao, Khrushchev, Pol Pot

What religion did they follow? Stupidity, just like you!
Genghis Khan doesn't actually belong there as he had a shamanistic religion, but you get the point. People do evil things for a variety or reasons, mostly because they're pussies or sociopaths.

Also, mass hysteria over a fictitious "war on women" manipulates political opinion, what's your point? Something that influences public policy in a way that you don't like should be banned? Sounds like democracy in action, dumb ass

Was their atheism instrumental in carrying out their atrocities? There is no defining ‘holy book’ or text which seeks to dictate what atheists should or shouldn’t do as some divine diktat. One can hardly call atheism into question when the only thing atheism states is that there is no god or there is likely no god. It doesnt tell you how to treat people, how much a slave should cost, it doesnt promise anything ,and it doesnt require worship.

The atrocities surround Pol Pot, Stalin, etc. fall squarely on the political, social, and economic ideologies they fostered and placed into practice. They just happened to be atheist AND sociopaths. A very important distinction. I dont blame the preacher down the street when an abortion clinic is bombed but it seems you are quick to blame all atheists for the actions of a few.

Also, when did I call for a ban on anything? I was pointing out that religious dogma hinders rational thought. It conflicts with reality and is used to pass laws that affect the non-religious. In the US where 80% are religious it is akin to two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner. If you think religious dogma is a good thing to base decisions on then I would ask you to consider what it would be like living as a Christian under Islamic law. I doubt you would be so flippant politicians restricting your rights or discarding scientific evidence under those same circumstances.

BTW, we live in a republic...not a democracy. There are laws in our constitution that quite clearly state there should be a separation of church and state. Freedom of religion is just as much about freedom from religious persecution as it is about protecting the religious.

Lastly, calling folks dumbass and stupid isnt an argument.

[paulgiamatti]

One can hardly call atheism into question when the only thing atheism states is that there is no god or there is likely no god.

Great posts, but I differ slightly on this point. Atheism isn't so much a statement of anything as it is simply a refusal to believe in the divine or any kind of supernatural power. Every believer is atheistic with regard to some god or another, just as everyone, I hope, is an atheist with regard to Zeus, or Athena, or Thor.

Atheism is not and should not be a statement that there is no god. It's simply about having a healthy amount of skepticism and doubt when it comes to definitive answers to The Big Questions about our universe. Atheism is open to new evidence - the day Jesus descends from the heavens and raptures every believer into an eternity of praise and worship, every atheist will by principle have to become a believer.

I don't even like to say that I am an atheist or an antitheist or whatever, as it seems silly to profess what I do not believe in. As long as the States remain a secular nation I don't need to go around saying how I believe there is insufficient evidence to prove theories about the afterlife or the origins of the universe. However, the day proselytization becomes mandatory - the day my children have to read religious literature in school - is the day we should speak up.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

However, the day proselytization becomes mandatory - the day my children have to read religious literature in school - is the day we should speak up.

At that point is too late. What you are suggesting is akin to waiting till you get cancer to quit smoking.

[paulgiamatti]

At that point is too late. What you are suggesting is akin to waiting till you get cancer to quit smoking.

Point taken, but I was being more figurative than literal here. Obviously, any suggestion of required religious teaching should be uprooted before it even gets the chance.

[iruinedyourday]

the day proselytization becomes mandatory - the day my children have to read religious literature in school - is the day we should speak up.

The time is now.

http://www.alternet.org/education/how-conservative-christians-are-trying-their-damnedest-make-americas-kids-wildly-ignorant

[Glenzig]

Point taken, but I was being more figurative than literal here. Obviously, any suggestion of required religious teaching should be uprooted before it even gets the chance.

But evolution is taught mandatorily in schools and it is a religion.

[Eliseus]

Point taken, but I was being more figurative than literal here. Obviously, any suggestion of required religious teaching should be uprooted before it even gets the chance.

Yet we allow ourselves to be taught scientific theories that tend to usually be proven wrong by wait for it...... other scientific theories or vastly change.

On another note, like I pointed out in another thread, by definition religion is basically anything and everything, and is impossible to remove. To disagree even puts yourself into a belief that is considered religious. Those who think otherwise should just kill themselves to try and escape the idea and rid ourselves of such uselessness.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

But evolution is taught mandatorily in schools and it is a religion.
Just like gravity.
Yet we allow ourselves to be taught scientific theories that tend to usually be proven wrong by wait for it...... other scientific theories or vastly change.

On another note, like I pointed out in another thread, by definition religion is basically anything and everything, and is impossible to remove. To disagree even puts yourself into a belief that is considered religious. Those who think otherwise should just kill themselves to try and escape the idea and rid ourselves of such uselessness.

You are forgetting that little 'evidence' thing...

[Eliseus]

Just like gravity.


You are forgetting that little 'evidence' thing...

Evidence thing for what?

[iruinedyourday]

Yet we allow ourselves to be taught scientific theories that tend to usually be proven wrong by wait for it...... other scientific theories or vastly change.

On another note, like I pointed out in another thread, by definition religion is basically anything and everything, and is impossible to remove. To disagree even puts yourself into a belief that is considered religious. Those who think otherwise should just kill themselves to try and escape the idea and rid ourselves of such uselessness.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Science is not a "belief system" but a process and methodology for seeking an objective reality. Of course because scientific exploration is a human endeavor it comes with all the flaws of humanity: ego, short-sightedness, corruption and greed.

But unlike a "belief system" such as religion untethered to an objective truth, science is over time self-policing; competing scientists have a strong incentive to corroborate and build on the findings of others; but equally, to prove other scientists wrong by means that can be duplicated by others.

Nobody is doing experiments to demonstrate how Noah could live to 600 years old, because those who believe that story are not confined to reproducible evidence to support their belief. But experiments were done to show the earth orbits the sun, not the other way around.

[Eliseus]

Theory
Theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking. Depending on the context, the results might for example include generalized explanations of how nature works.

This is subjective to a majority view. If most the world believed in a theory of God, in fact God would be believed to be what exists.

A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.

be·lief
biˈlēf/
noun
noun: belief; plural noun: beliefs

1.
an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
"his belief in the value of hard work"
something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.
"contrary to popular belief, Aramaic is a living language"
synonyms: opinion, view, conviction, judgment, thinking, way of thinking, idea, impression, theory, conclusion, notion
"it's my belief that age is irrelevant"
a religious conviction.
"Christian beliefs"
synonyms: ideology, principle, ethic, tenet, canon; More
doctrine, teaching, dogma, article of faith, creed, credo
"traditional beliefs"
2.
trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.

IDK if you guys are just trying to troll or just really retarded.

[Glenzig]

Just like gravity.


You are forgetting that little 'evidence' thing...

Gravity doesn't need to be taught, it can be readily observed. Throw anything up in the air and it will come back down. There is no observable evidence for evolution though. There are some cases sighted wherein a species has adapted and changed slightly within the confines of its own species. But I still haven't seen any actual evidence of one type of animal, plant, or bacterium changing into a different type of said organism.

[Eliseus]

Gravity doesn't need to be taught, it can be readily observed. Throw anything up in the air and it will come back down. There is no observable evidence for evolution though. There are some cases sighted wherein a species has adapted and changed slightly within the confines of its own species. But I still haven't seen any actual evidence of one type of animal, plant, or bacterium changing into a different type of said organism.

This is actually a great example of what I'm referring to also. There is this majority view among the scientific community that evolution must be how it works, so it is commonly accepted. Yet there isn't really any actual proof behind this, and excuse that it would basically take so long to legitimately prove such concept was real that we must just accept that this is what it is. No ones got time for dis basically. Even more laughable is claims of evolution based of similar features that might exist in animals, or an animal and humans, therefore we must of been a bird one day in our life.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Gravity doesn't need to be taught, it can be readily observed. Throw anything up in the air and it will come back down. There is no observable evidence for evolution though. There are some cases sighted wherein a species has adapted and changed slightly within the confines of its own species. But I still haven't seen any actual evidence of one type of animal, plant, or bacterium changing into a different type of said organism.

Your response shows your lack of education on the subject matter. First you are ignoring the fossil record. Secondly you ignore that evolution is a process that takes extremely long periods of time which is why you haven't seen it yet.

Are you going to claim that neptune doesn't orbit the Sun because it hasn't yet completed a full orbit since its discovery?

[iruinedyourday]

IDK if you guys are just trying to troll or just really retarded.

Eliseus you are not smarter than a sceientist so stop trying to write shit where youre like, BAM I JUST DISPROVED SCIENCE using vocabulary!

This is the type of shit people that dont believe in science believe is science and how it proves science is not science. Science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504

stop quoting shit you heard in church when discussing science. Cus its always missinformation.

Have faith in what you believe in, stop QQing. Science isnt going to take away your beliefe system, it just illustrates how off base it is. Ignore it, and prey the gay away.

[Eliseus]

Your response shows your lack of education on the subject matter. First you are ignoring the fossil record. Secondly you ignore that evolution is a process that takes extremely long periods of time which is why you haven't seen it yet.

Are you going to claim that neptune doesn't orbit the Sun because it hasn't yet completed a full orbit since its discovery?

Fossils don't prove any accuracy towards evolution. All is proves at that one point on an estimated time frame, that some kind of animal or humanoid had some relevant features to something else. Fossils don't directly support evolution at all. It's not like they dig them up and carved into the fossil is "I was X animal once upon a time".

And technically, you could claim that. If everyone responds in this thread based off of fact, in all actuality, yes you could claim that that is false. The difference here is though you can use supporting evidence from other things that are similar that have revolved around the sun already and make a pretty safe assumption.

[Eliseus]

Eliseus you are not smarter than a sceientist so stop trying to write shit where youre like, BAM I JUST DISPROVED SCIENCE using vocabulary!

This is the type of shit people that dont believe in science believe is science and how it proves science is not science. Science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504

stop quoting shit you heard in church when discussing science. Cus its always missinformation.

Have faith in what you believe in, stop QQing. Science isnt going to take away your beliefe system, it just illustrates how off base it is. Ignore it, and prey the gay away.

Umadbadfat and owned.

[Glenzig]

Your response shows your lack of education on the subject matter. First you are ignoring the fossil record. Secondly you ignore that evolution is a process that takes extremely long periods of time which is why you haven't seen it yet.

Are you going to claim that neptune doesn't orbit the Sun because it hasn't yet completed a full orbit since its discovery?

I'm not ignoring the fossil record at all. In fact the fossil record is actually the biggest obstacle to evolutionary theory, because there have only ever been found fully formed fossils, and none of the transitional fossils that would be not only necessary but abundant if evolution were true.
Also its funny that you point out that evolution is not directly observable. How is it that it is accepted as scientific fact if it defies the scientific process by its very nature. By the scientific process it would have to be observable and repeatable. It is neither.

[paulgiamatti]

You are forgetting that little 'evidence' thing...

Right, scientific studies demonstrably hinge upon scrupulous peer review and years of crosschecking. The thing about scientific arguments is they are falsifiable, which is the mark of a good argument - religious arguments that point to an all-powerful creator still have yet to square the infinite regression rebuttal which, put simply, asks, "What came before that all-powerful creator?"

An arguments that point to an omnipotent creator at the beginning of everything is simply unfalsifiable, and is a grandiose claim made with very little evidence, and can therefore be dismissed with very little evidence.

And on the point of what religion actually is, I think most of us here are capable of making that distinction. Science is not a religion, and is irreconcilable with religion. As Stephen Gould said, science and religion are non-overlapping magisteria - they both do completely different things and simply can't be conflated. However, I disagree with Gould when he posits that there shouldn't be an argument between the two.

[iruinedyourday]

Umadbadfat and owned.

Jesus is not proud of you at all.

[Faron]

itt people throwing around terms like "fossil record" as if they know what the fuck they are talking about.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'm not ignoring the fossil record at all. In fact the fossil record is actually the biggest obstacle to evolutionary theory, because there have only ever been found fully formed fossils, and none of the transitional fossils that would be not only necessary but abundant if evolution were true.
You do realize (I hope) that special conditions are required for the formation of fossils. I also hope you realize that over a quarter of a billion years a lot of erosion, continental drift and global catastrophes have happened.
Then again half the country still believes that the earth is 6000 years old and the Sun orbits the Earth...
Also its funny that you point out that evolution is not directly observable. How is it that it is accepted as scientific fact if it defies the scientific process by its very nature. By the scientific process it would have to be observable and repeatable. It is neither.

It's the same as gravitational THEORY which can't be observed directly or artificially created in a lab. Only it's effects can be measured/observed.

[Eliseus]

Right, scientific studies demonstrably hinge upon scrupulous peer review and years of crosschecking. The thing about scientific arguments is they are falsifiable, which is the mark of a good argument - religious arguments that point to an all-powerful creator still have yet to square the infinite regression rebuttal which, put simply, asks, "What came before that all-powerful creator?"

An arguments that point to an omnipotent creator at the beginning of everything is simply unfalsifiable, and is a grandiose claim made with very little evidence, and can therefore be dismissed with very little evidence.

And on the point of what religion actually is, I think most of us here are capable of making that distinction. Science is not a religion, and is irreconcilable with religion. As Stephen Gould said, science and religion are non-overlapping magisteria - they both do completely different things and simply can't be conflated. However, I disagree with Gould when he posits that there shouldn't be an argument between the two.

Your own post contradicts itself lol. "Scientific studies demonstrably hinge upon scrupulous peer review and years of crosschecking" yet apparently that doesn't exist on religious views? "An arguments that point to an omnipotent creator at the beginning of everything is simply unfalsifiable, and is a grandiose claim made with very little evidence, and can therefore be dismissed with very little evidence." Theory anyone? "And on the point of what religion actually is, I think most of us here are capable of making that distinction. Science is not a religion, and is irreconcilable with religion." That doesn't even make sense. You basically claim if a God does exist, he would work in ways that no one would ever discover, and like I said, by definition, science is a religion, doesn't matter how much you say it isn't.

[G13]

Your response shows your lack of education on the subject matter. First you are ignoring the fossil record. Secondly you ignore that evolution is a process that takes extremely long periods of time which is why you haven't seen it yet.

Are you going to claim that neptune doesn't orbit the Sun because it hasn't yet completed a full orbit since its discovery?

Evolution is a hoax

There are little motors that make up atoms and molecules. These little motors have up to 30 individual moving parts. In order for these little motors to function, all moving parts must exist and work in complete symbiosis at the exact same time. Evolution would have been an impossibility. These are building blocks that make up all Matter.

DNA and Genetic Complexity point to obvious design. Not possible that level of complexity could happen by random chaotic chance, especially when you factor in the laws of Thermodynamics.

Evolution is a BS Materialistic Theory from the mid 1800s. It's become a Religion. Not science.

[Glenzig]

You do realize (I hope) that special conditions are required for the formation of fossils. I also hope you realize that over a quarter of a billion years a lot of erosion, continental drift and global catastrophes have happened.
Then again half the country still believes that the earth is 6000 years old and the Sun orbits the Earth...


It's the same as gravitational THEORY which can't be observed directly or artificially created in a lab. Only it's effects can be measured/observed.

So what you are saying is that the fossil record proves evolution regardless of what has actually been found because the conditions just happened to have hidden the fossils needed to prove evolution. So what is the basis for saying that the fossil record proves evolution?

Yeah you're right about gravity, it can be observed. The change of one species to another can't. Good point, thanks.

[G13]

You do realize (I hope) that special conditions are required for the formation of fossils. I also hope you realize that over a quarter of a billion years a lot of erosion, continental drift and global catastrophes have happened.
Then again half the country still believes that the earth is 6000 years old and the Sun orbits the Earth...


It's the same as gravitational THEORY which can't be observed directly or artificially created in a lab. Only it's effects can be measured/observed.

How do you explain the center of gravity in the universe?

You're aware it's exactly The Golden Ratio of 1.618 right? This ratio is seen in everything. Humans. Plants. Flowers. The spiral of galaxies. Everything.

How it is possible this very specific mathematical equation is so prevalent throughout the entire universe?

[leewong]

Evolution is a hoax

There are little motors that make up atoms and molecules. These little motors have up to 30 individual moving parts. In order for these little motors to function, all moving parts must exist and work in complete symbiosis at the exact same time. Evolution would have been an impossibility. These are building blocks that make up all Matter.

DNA and Genetic Complexity point to obvious design. Not possible that level of complexity could happen by random chaotic chance, especially when you factor in the laws of Thermodynamics.

Evolution is a BS Materialistic Theory from the mid 1800s. It's become a Religion. Not science.

Wow, the amount of sheer ignorance in this one post is beyond my grasp. Have you ever opened a text book in your life? I usually dont resort to ad-hominem attacks but seriously...you are stupid as dirt.

[Glenzig]

Evolution is a BS Materialistic Theory from the mid 1800s. It's become a Religion. Not science.

Yup.

[iruinedyourday]

How do you explain the center of gravity in the universe?

You're aware it's exactly The Golden Ratio of 1.618 right? This ratio is seen in everything. Humans. Plants. Flowers. The spiral of galaxies. Everything.

How it is possible this very specific mathematical equation is so prevalent throughout the entire universe?

math

[Glenzig]

Wow, the amount of sheer ignorance in this one post is beyond my grasp. Have you ever opened a text book in your life? I usually dont resort to ad-hominem attacks but seriously...you are stupid as dirt.

Not everything found in textbooks is true. Have you ever taken the time to research the origins of the theory of evolution? Its really interesting.

[leewong]

How do you explain the center of gravity in the universe?

You're aware it's exactly The Golden Ratio of 1.618 right? This ratio is seen in everything. Humans. Plants. Flowers. The spiral of galaxies. Everything.

How it is possible this very specific mathematical equation is so prevalent throughout the entire universe?

Lol. Absolute dribble.

[Glenzig]

math

Math is explanatory, not causative.

[G13]

Wow, the amount of sheer ignorance in this one post is beyond my grasp. Have you ever opened a text book in your life? I usually dont resort to ad-hominem attacks but seriously...you are stupid as dirt.

You think your Government controlled Indoctrination centers teach you Truth?

Hahahahahahaha ....

[G13]

Lol. Absolute dribble.

It's scientific fact actually

/shrug

ad hominems noted

[iruinedyourday]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m26c0zzBWJ1rs7dsho1_500.gif

[G13]

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/Phibody.gif

[Ket]

Evolution is a hoax

There are little motors that make up atoms and molecules. These little motors have up to 30 individual moving parts. In order for these little motors to function, all moving parts must exist and work in complete symbiosis at the exact same time. Evolution would have been an impossibility. These are building blocks that make up all Matter.

DNA and Genetic Complexity point to obvious design. Not possible that level of complexity could happen by random chaotic chance, especially when you factor in the laws of Thermodynamics.

Evolution is a BS Materialistic Theory from the mid 1800s. It's become a Religion. Not science.

Actually, chaotic chance is exactly what it is. We have just begun to scratch the outer, candy coated shell of space. Not even scratched - we've maybe brushed against it with our shoelaces, and even with that merest of glimpses of the countless solar systems and the possibility of an infinite amount of universes, we are, as far as we're aware (thus far), the only planet capable of a life-giving ecosystem (theories of planets that USED to have life giving eco-systems abound, or at least that had some of the ingredients). Given those damn near infinite amount of other potential options out there, it's not too crazy an idea to believe that we. Just. Got. Lucky.

Unless, of course, you subscribe to the idea that we, out of all the other solar systems and universes, stars, and planets, are just the "special ones". The only jackasses chosen by god. If so, he made a dumb choice. Seriously. US? Have you fuckin' looked at yourself in the mirror? I have, and I'm retarded. I have a hard enough taking care of my dog.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could actually make decisions that effect the future with the thought that, y'know, that future is actually in our hands, and not in the hands of the Spaghetti Monster?

That's my half-cocked conjecture of the week.

-Ket

[iruinedyourday]

https://sphericalbullshit.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/peanut_butter.jpg

[leewong]

Not everything found in textbooks is true. Have you ever taken the time to research the origins of the theory of evolution? Its really interesting.

Really, not everything in text books is real? How exactly is the theory of evolution wrong there fella? Please provide some data to back up your claims. Not a single creationist has been able to do it yet but dont let that stop you from trying.

[Eliseus]

Actually, chaotic chance is exactly what it is. We have just begun to scratch the outer, candy coated shell of space. Not even scratched - we've maybe brushed against it with our shoelaces, and even with that merest of glimpses of the countless solar systems and the possibility of an infinite amount of universes, we are, as far as we're aware (thus far), the only planet capable of a life-giving ecosystem (theories of planets that USED to have life giving eco-systems abound, or at least that had some of the ingredients). Given those damn near infinite amount of other potential options out there, it's not too crazy an idea to believe that we. Just. Got. Lucky.

Unless, of course, you subscribe to the idea that we, out of all the other solar systems and universes, stars, and planets, are just the "special ones". The only jackasses chosen by god. If so, he made a dumb choice. Seriously. US? Have you fuckin' looked at yourself in the mirror? I have, and I'm retarded. I have a hard enough taking care of my dog.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could actually make decisions that effect the future with the thought that, y'know, that future is actually in our hands, and not in the hands of the Spaghetti Monster?

That's my half-cocked conjecture of the week.

-Ket

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=planets+capable+of+life-giving+ecosystem

[iruinedyourday]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=planets+capable+of+life-giving+ecosystem

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8070/8234280602_0f2367da6b_z.jpg

[Eliseus]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8070/8234280602_0f2367da6b_z.jpg

lol

[G13]

Actually, chaotic chance is exactly what it is. We have just begun to scratch the outer, candy coated shell of space. Not even scratched - we've maybe brushed against it with our shoelaces, and even with that merest of glimpses of the countless solar systems and the possibility of an infinite amount of universes, we are, as far as we're aware (thus far), the only planet capable of a life-giving ecosystem (theories of planets that USED to have life giving eco-systems abound, or at least that had some of the ingredients). Given those damn near infinite amount of other potential options out there, it's not too crazy an idea to believe that we. Just. Got. Lucky.

Explain to me how completely new genetic code (that isn't gibberish) can randomly and chaotically come about by chance. Mutations are destructive to genetic code. No genetic code has ever been written that makes any sense from a mutation. You're also ignoring the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which is that things become less organized and decay over time. Entropy.

Unless, of course, you subscribe to the idea that we, out of all the other solar systems and universes, stars, and planets, are just the "special ones". The only jackasses chosen by god. If so, he made a dumb choice. Seriously. US? Have you fuckin' looked at yourself in the mirror? I have, and I'm retarded. I have a hard enough taking care of my dog.

The multiverse theory is nonsense

Wouldn't it be nice if we could actually make decisions that effect the future with the thought that, y'know, that future is actually in our hands, and not in the hands of the Spaghetti Monster?

That's my half-cocked conjecture of the week.

-Ket

Pretty half cocked

[leewong]

You think your Government controlled Indoctrination centers teach you Truth?

Hahahahahahaha ....

I know you didnt come up with the whole "evolution is a lie" crap yourself. Ever ask yourself if maybe the people feeding you this tripe have an agenda themselves? Pot meet keetle, perhaps?

[paulgiamatti]

G13, I just have one question. How high are you?

[G13]

I know you didnt come up with the whole "evolution is a lie" crap yourself. Ever ask yourself if maybe the people feeding you this tripe have an agenda themselves? Pot meet keetle, perhaps?

I'm not interested in your ignorant buffoonery

Show me one example of a change of kinds

Show me one example of coherent and intelligent genetic code coming about completely by random chaotic chance from a mutation

Just give me one. They've been trying with fruitflies now for years. Countless generations of fruit flies. Guess what. still all fruit flies. Sure, you'll get some random mis-happen mutations that serve no purpose. Still genetically fruit flies.

[G13]

G13, I just have one question. How high are you?

Feel free to answer my questions

Enlighten me

Show me the proof

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Explain to me how completely new genetic code (that isn't gibberish) can randomly and chaotically come about by chance. Mutations are destructive to genetic code. No genetic code has ever been written that makes any sense from a mutation. You're also ignoring the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which is that things become less organized and decay over time. Entropy.

When the Sun stops giving the earth a constant flow of new energy we can talk about entropy.

[Eliseus]

I'm not interested in your ignorant buffoonery

Show me one example of a change of kinds

Show me one example of coherent and intelligent genetic code coming about completely by random chaotic chance from a mutation

Just give me one. They've been trying with fruitflies now for years. Countless generations of fruit flies. Guess what. still all fruit flies. Sure, you'll get some random mis-happen mutations that serve no purpose. Still genetically fruit flies.

The guys can't even respond with any sort of intellectual comment of any sorts (unless spamming that people are ignorant counts). I wouldn't except him to give any sort of concrete evidence to support his cause.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm not interested in your ignorant buffoonery

Show me one example of a change of kinds

Show me one example of coherent and intelligent genetic code coming about completely by random chaotic chance from a mutation

Just give me one. They've been trying with fruitflies now for years. Countless generations of fruit flies. Guess what. still all fruit flies. Sure, you'll get some random mis-happen mutations that serve no purpose. Still genetically fruit flies.

Bacteria resistant to antibiotics, dummy.

like are you trying to argue that religion is better at proving something than science? like thats what you're trying to do here on this everquest forum? wat?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Bacteria resistant to antibiotics, dummy.

like are you trying to argue that religion is better at proving something than science? like thats what you're trying to do here on this everquest forum? wat?

More facts, less ad-hominem. Stop being so self absorbed.

[Ket]

So ...you're saying we ARE the special ones?

We're fucked. Someone should really tell god that he made a big ass mistake.

[Glenzig]

Bacteria resistant to antibiotics, dummy.

like are you trying to argue that religion is better at proving something than science? like thats what you're trying to do here on this everquest forum? wat?

What did those bacteria change into? What are they now?

[Eliseus]

Maybe he realizes that, I mean we did kill Jesus Christ. No wonder the holocaust happened.... LOL

[G13]

When the Sun stops giving the earth a constant flow of new energy we can talk about entropy.

Our galaxy is not a closed system

You're aware of this right?

The sun causes Evolution? Really?

How does the sun write complex genetic code. Explain

The 2nd law of thermodynamics is a law that governs the entire universe. You agree?

[Eliseus]

I don't know why I found that so funny.

[G13]

Bacteria resistant to antibiotics, dummy.

like are you trying to argue that religion is better at proving something than science? like thats what you're trying to do here on this everquest forum? wat?

That bacteria becomes something new or is it still just bacteria?

[paulgiamatti]

Again, it doesn't fall on the unbeliever to provide any kind of proof as to the origins of the universe or the afterlife. We're not the ones making those claims. The responsibility is yours to provide concrete, undeniable evidence that there is an omnipotent creator of the universe and that dismissing the work of every biologist, cosmologist, and physicist is somehow a rational thing to do.

The Big Questions are still unanswered. We're not attempting to answer them, though we hope some day we can - we're just saying the answers religion gives are anti-intellectual, anti-historical, and not worth more than a moment's consideration.

[Eliseus]

Again, it doesn't fall on the unbeliever to provide any kind of proof as to the origins of the universe or the afterlife. We're not the ones making those claims. The responsibility is yours to provide concrete, undeniable evidence that there is an omnipotent creator of the universe and that dismissing the work of every biologist, cosmologist, and physicist is somehow a rational thing to do.

The Big Questions are still unanswered. We're not attempting to answer them, though we hope some day we can - we're just saying the answers religion gives are anti-intellectual, anti-historical, and not worth more than a moment's consideration.

Actually it does in a thread like this. The burden of proof is on you.

[Eliseus]

The thread isn't called "PRAISE JEBUS"

[iruinedyourday]

More facts, less ad-hominem. Stop being so self absorbed.

none of that is ad-hominem.

Bacteria becoming resistant to Antibiotics is exactly what g13 says hasnt ever been proven or witnesed in history.

and 2. G13 sounds like a dummy.

Both facts.

One more fun fact, people that throw up the word ad-hominem on the internet, are stupid ass's that learned that word reading it on a Facebook argument over who is the best president.

[G13]

none of that is ad-hominem.

Bacteria becoming resistant to Antibiotics is exactly what g13 says hasnt ever been proven or witnesed in history.

and 2. G13 sounds like a dummy.

Both facts.

One more fun fact, people that throw up the word ad-hominem on the internet, are stupid ass's that learned that word reading it on a Facebook argument over who is the best president.

Seriously?

What did the bacteria become?

You're buffoonery is hilarious

[iruinedyourday]

That bacteria becomes something new or is it still just bacteria?

sorry about the dummy thing, I'm just joshing, I hope it doesn't hurt your feelings. but yes it becomes a new type of bacteria that reproduces more of what it has mutated into.

hence the concern than antibiotics will be useless in the near future and many will become deathly ill, and we should all be sad.

[paulgiamatti]

Actually it does in a thread like this. The burden of proof is on you.

Again, we're not making any grandiose claims about the universe. There is nothing for me to prove, unless you don't actually believe I'm being honest about my own unbelief, and if that's the case then go right ahead. I'll go on living in a free, secular society where fortunately I have the right to tell everyone who tries to win me as a convert to fuck off and stay out of our public schools.

[Glenzig]

none of that is ad-hominem.

Bacteria becoming resistant to Antibiotics is exactly what g13 says hasnt ever been proven or witnesed in history.

and 2. G13 sounds like a dummy.

Both facts.

One more fun fact, people that throw up the word ad-hominem on the internet, are stupid ass's that learned that word reading it on a Facebook argument over who is the best president.

That's adaptation. Adaptation is not the claim of evolution, change from one kind to another is the claim.

[G13]

sorry about the dummy thing, I'm just joshing, I hope it doesn't hurt your feelings. but yes it becomes a new type of bacteria that reproduces more of what it has mutated into.

hence the concern than antibiotics will be useless in the near future and many will become deathly ill, and we should all be sad.

It's still bacteria you dumbass

[Frieza_Prexus]

I know I shouldn't, but, whatever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

Perhaps the "How?" of life is not the same as the "Why?"

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Actually it does in a thread like this. The burden of proof is on you.

When the thread doesn't understand the burden of proof it's no use to continue to feed the ignorant masses.

[iruinedyourday]

It's still bacteria you dumbass

rofl well it isnt gona turn into this guy overnight

http://theuggly.net/wordpress-1/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/The-Strain-Vampires.jpg

[leewong]

I'm not interested in your ignorant buffoonery

Show me one example of a change of kinds

Show me one example of coherent and intelligent genetic code coming about completely by random chaotic chance from a mutation

Just give me one. They've been trying with fruitflies now for years. Countless generations of fruit flies. Guess what. still all fruit flies. Sure, you'll get some random mis-happen mutations that serve no purpose. Still genetically fruit flies.

"Show me one example of a change of kinds"

The sort of change you are referring to happens over millions/billions of years. Small changes over time add up. Macro-evolution is just micro-evolution on a vast time scale. If you admit that small mutations happen you have to admit millions of years would produce a very different creature.

Science has documented many examples of the evolution of resistance...of pests to pesticides, weeds to herbicides, and pathogens to medicines...all of which are cases of microevolution by natural selection.

[Glenzig]

rofl well it isnt gona turn into this guy overnight

http://theuggly.net/wordpress-1/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/The-Strain-Vampires.jpg

Yeah you have to sprinkle some time on it. What do you think? Somewhere between 5 million and 10 billion years?

[Eliseus]

Again, we're not making any grandiose claims about the universe. There is nothing for me to prove, unless you don't actually believe I'm being honest about my own unbelief, and if that's the case then go right ahead. I'll go on living in a free, secular society where fortunately I have the right to tell everyone who tries to win me as a convert to fuck off and stay out of our public schools.

Again, which is laughable considering your strong belief for scientific theories, which aren't fact. By your standards though let us assume the Big Bang is correct. Prove it, or are you going to now argue that isn't magnificent, therefore you have a scapegoat to run away from your own ignorance some more. Is it accepted among people that the big bang is what happened? Of course, but it is the same belief in a God, or so your claims would imply. Is he magnificent? Yes, but prove it, I can't but many people still believe that is what it is. Don't try and act all high and mighty like you live some sort of life blessed with facts when in reality you don't.

[Glenzig]

"Show me one example of a change of kinds"

The sort of change you are referring to happens over millions/billions of years. Small changes over time add up. Macro-evolution is just micro-evolution on a vast time scale. If you admit that small mutations happen you have to admit millions of years would produce a very different creature.

Science has documented many examples of the evolution of resistance...of pests to pesticides, weeds to herbicides, and pathogens to medicines...all of which are cases of microevolution by natural selection.

So what you're saying is that evolution can be inferred, but not observed?

[G13]

"Show me one example of a change of kinds"

The sort of change you are referring to happens over millions/billions of years. Small changes over time add up. Macro-evolution is just micro-evolution on a vast time scale. If you admit that small mutations happen you have to admit millions of years would produce a very different creature.

Nonsense

If your claim is true there would be a fossil record that proved this. The fossil record (evidence) shows the exact opposite. There are no transmutational fossils that show any change of kinds? Why?

You want people to believe these phantom changes that allegedly happen over billions of years based upon faith. That isn't science.

Science has documented many examples of the evolution of resistance...of pests to pesticides, weeds to herbicides, and pathogens to medicines...all of which are cases of microevolution by natural selection.

Adaptation

Not Evoltuon

Not a change of kinds

[paulgiamatti]

The theory of the big bang is still just a scientific theory, it's not being claimed as scientific fact. It's something scientists use as a tool to predicate other theories on, some of which are actually testable, but that doesn't mean they can suddenly reverse engineer the big bang and prove it as fact.

[paulgiamatti]

And by the way, there was this pretty smart guy who came up with that theory and gave us another amazing theory that has something to do with relativity.

[G13]

The theory of the big bang is still just a scientific theory, it's not being claimed as scientific fact. It's something scientists use as a tool to predicate other theories on, some of which are actually testable, but that doesn't mean they can suddenly reverse engineer the big bang and prove it as fact.

Where did the Matter and Energy that created this Big bang come from

Something cannot come from Nothing

Where did Matter come from

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Again, which is laughable considering your strong belief for scientific theories, which aren't fact. By your standards though let us assume the Big Bang is correct. Prove it, or are you going to now argue that isn't magnificent, therefore you have a scapegoat to run away from your own ignorance some more. Is it accepted among people that the big bang is what happened? Of course, but it is the same belief in a God, or so your claims would imply. Is he magnificent? Yes, but prove it, I can't but many people still believe that is what it is. Don't try and act all high and mighty like you live some sort of life blessed with facts when in reality you don't.

You keep implying belief on others like it is supposed to mean something. You pretend to be skeptical while clinging to outrageous explanations of the universe.

It's not an issue of challenging a belief system, it's the issue that you keep ignoring the only evidence available. If you can prove the fossil record is bullshit than do it! Make millions of dollars in the process and show all of those smug science types up. Just provide the evidence.

[leewong]

Again, which is laughable considering your strong belief for scientific theories, which aren't fact. By your standards though let us assume the Big Bang is correct. Prove it, or are you going to now argue that isn't magnificent, therefore you have a scapegoat to run away from your own ignorance some more. Is it accepted among people that the big bang is what happened? Of course, but it is the same belief in a God, or so your claims would imply. Is he magnificent? Yes, but prove it, I can't but many people still believe that is what it is. Don't try and act all high and mighty like you live some sort of life blessed with facts when in reality you don't.

Except we have tons of observable evidence that infers the big bang theory is factually correct. Creationist just point to their holy book. Care to explain cosmic background radiation? Did god create it to fool us?

[Eliseus]

The theory of the big bang is still just a scientific theory, it's not being claimed as scientific fact. It's something scientists use as a tool to predicate other theories on, some of which are actually testable, but that doesn't mean they can suddenly reverse engineer the big bang and prove it as fact.

Ok, so you are saying that science does make grandiose claims, but you don't believe in that either, but are ok with it being preached to kids in the same manner religion is. Gotcha.

[Eliseus]

Except we have tons of observable evidence that infers the big bang theory is factually correct. Creationist just point to their holy book. Care to explain cosmic background radiation? Did god create it to fool us?

Oh you do? Where.

[ManosMan]

the big bang theory is factually correct
Those are just actors dude...

[G13]

Except we have tons of observable evidence that infers the big bang theory is factually correct. Creationist just point to their holy book. Care to explain cosmic background radiation? Did god create it to fool us?

What created the Matter and Energy of The Big Bang

Something cannot come from Nothing

Matter cannot be created or destroyed right?

[iruinedyourday]

explaning science to a die hard religious zelliot is like trying to ask me to understand this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/0/9/4/0949a2f4adb075cbc010143d0639a654.png

Now, just because I don't understand this, doesn't mean it doesn't add up.

You dont understand the scientific theory. Plane and simple. You dont understand the most basic concepts of science, so you think its all wrong.

fact is you're just way too stupid to understand why science works as a method for learning the answers to life's most unanswerable questions, or at least point us in the direction of finding an answers.

ALL WHILE CURING DISEASES!... not just saying it cures diseases. Science is fucking curing that shit and saving your fucking life.

Something prayer has never done.

Although you probably believe that prayer does cure cancer.

So what the fuck are we arguing for, you'd be a dummy if you believed that prayer cured cancer, a dummy that cant be expected to understand the most basic concepts about reality. Like why you don't fly off into space not being because god is gently blowing down upon us from the sky, which also is what "wind" is.

[paulgiamatti]

Jesus christ I'm about to just give up here. AGAIN, a scientific theory is not a claim! It's a THEORY. THEORETICAL. You know, math and numbers and shit? Not actually testable in a lab environment?

[leewong]

Where did the Matter and Energy that created this Big bang come from

Something cannot come from Nothing

Where did Matter come from

You couldnt be more wrong.

Empty space is FULL of virtual particles that pop into and out of existence. The energy of their interactions is the repulsive force that drives the expansion of the universe. It is known as dark energy.

Look up Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle if you think you can wrap your head around it. A demonstrably true phenomenon.

[Eliseus]

Jesus christ I'm about to just give up here. AGAIN, a scientific theory is not a claim! It's a THEORY. THEORETICAL. You know, math and numbers and shit? Not actually testable in a lab environment?

Yet you approve of it being taught in public schools vs religion. That is the entire point, your a hypocritical die hard to remove religion even though your own logic is faulty. What's the word I'm looking for, can't remember. Give up, I would too if I didn't know what I'm saying.

Also, if that comment was towards me iruinedmyday or w/e. I am actually not a die hard religious zealot, yes I do believe in God etc. But I base most of my observations off of logical viewings, just like the logic behind the idea of socially accepting scientific theories but the idea of preaching religious views as so crazy.

[paulgiamatti]

K, I give up. Derp, yap, God and stuff, totally real.

[leewong]

Oh you do? Where.

It takes about 2 seconds to do a google search. I am not going to post the THOUSANDS of scientific papers and studies that back it up. No one is hiding the data you seek.

[G13]

You couldnt be more wrong.

Empty space is FULL of virtual particles that pop into and out of existence. The energy of their interactions is the repulsive force that drives the expansion of the universe. It is known as dark energy.

Look up Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle if you think you can wrap your head around it. A demonstrably true phenomenon.

Empty Space? WTF

You're aware that where we are in the Universe is a very rare and known as clean space right? It's still filled with radiation (see Van Allen Belt)

Most of the universe is filled with radiation, destructive gases, ect. It's not like Star Trek bro.

Nobody is claiming Dark Matter doesn't exist and secondly it doesn't prove that Matter can be created or destroyed, because generally it can't, unless you believe Newton was a dumbass

Only in rare instances where energy is specifically harnessed for that purpose can it even be attempted. Even then, it's only converted to energy.

[Glenzig]

explaning science to a die hard religious zelliot is like trying to ask me to understand this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/0/9/4/0949a2f4adb075cbc010143d0639a654.png

Now, just because I don't understand this, doesn't mean it doesn't add up.

You dont understand the scientific theory. Plane and simple. You dont understand the most basic concepts of science, so you think its all wrong.

fact is you're just way too stupid to understand why science works as a method for learning the answers to life's most unanswerable questions, or at least point us in the direction of finding an answers.

ALL WHILE CURING DISEASES!... not just saying it cures diseases. Science is fucking curing that shit and saving your fucking life.

Something prayer has never done.

Although you probably believe that prayer does cure cancer.

So what the fuck are we arguing for, you'd be a dummy if you believed that prayer cured cancer, a dummy that cant be expected to understand the most basic concepts about reality. Like why you don't fly off into space not being because god is gently blowing down upon us from the sky, which also is what "wind" is.

You speak as if any and all religious minded persons disregard science as a whole. Who told you that? Whoever it was has grossly misinformed you. The rejection of.the theory of evolution does not equal the rejection of science. The theory of evolution is not science itself, it is a form of scientific interpretation. No one I know would argue the merits of scientific study, whether they are religious or not. People were doing science long before the theory of evolution was canonized you know.

[leewong]

What created the Matter and Energy of The Big Bang

Something cannot come from Nothing

Matter cannot be created or destroyed right?

How about you quit moving the goal posts and answer my questions first. Then I will gladly explain where the energy/matter came from.

[iruinedyourday]

Yet you approve of it being taught in public schools vs religion. That is the entire point, your a hypocritical die hard to remove religion even though your own logic is faulty. What's the word I'm looking for, can't remember. Give up, I would too if I didn't know what I'm saying.

Also, if that comment was towards me iruinedmyday or w/e. I am actually not a die hard religious zealot, yes I do believe in God etc. But I base most of my observations off of logical viewings, just like the logic behind the idea of socially accepting scientific theories but the idea of preaching religious views as so crazy.

I have an idea, because your religion seems so important to you and we dont want to step on your stupid religion that I dont care about's toes, lets just make all textbooks like this:

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/tUb1S6x3P9i61ro1auvThQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/technews/fva-630-empty-book-blank-pages-reading-via-shutterstock-630w.jpeg

Cool religion is pretty great, sure is getting us somewhere!

Your fucking opinions matter to me, becuse SOME REASON.

I don't give a shit what you believe in and you're free to believe in it, why are you so fucking paranoid about your belife systme that you feel you need to debunk people who really, couldnt give a rats ass about what you do in your own home or who you worship and prey to when the lights go out.

the last

fucking thing

we should be teaching in school

is your stupid ass opinion about what magic is the best magic.

[G13]

How about you quit moving the goal posts and answer my questions first. Then I will gladly explain where the energy/matter came from.

Huh?

Nobody is moving any goal posts

Feel free to explain how Something can come from Nothing

[iruinedyourday]

Huh?

Nobody is moving any goal posts

Feel free to explain how Something can come from Nothing

Neither you nor him can and it means nothing either way. Science can however cure your stupid ass from dying when you get appendicitis, thank you very much you're welcome.

[G13]

Neither you nor him can and it means nothing either way. Science can however cure your stupid ass from dying when you get appendicitis, thank you very much you're welcome.

How does it not mean anything if it's the source of our entire existence

Your buffoonery is endless

[Eliseus]

I have an idea, because your religion seems so important to you and we dont want to step on your stupid religion that I dont care about's toes, lets just make all textbooks like this:

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/tUb1S6x3P9i61ro1auvThQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/technews/fva-630-empty-book-blank-pages-reading-via-shutterstock-630w.jpeg

Cool religion is pretty great, sure is getting us somewhere!

Your fucking opinions matter to me, becuse SOME REASON.

I don't give a shit what you believe in and you're free to believe in it, why are you so fucking paranoid about your belife systme that you feel you need to debunk people who really, couldnt give a rats ass about what you do in your own home or who you worship and prey to when the lights go out.

the last

fucking thing

we should be teaching in school

is your stupid ass opinion about what magic is the best magic.

This sort of mentality usually arises out of frustration when proven wrong.

[leewong]

Empty Space? WTF

You're aware that where we are in the Universe is a very rare and known as clean space right? It's still filled with radiation (see Van Allen Belt)

Most of the universe is filled with radiation, destructive gases, ect. It's not like Star Trek bro.

Nobody is claiming Dark Matter doesn't exist and secondly it doesn't prove that Matter can be created or destroyed, because generally it can't, unless you believe Newton was a dumbass

Only in rare instances where energy is specifically harnessed for that purpose can it even be attempted. Even then, it's only converted to energy.

"You're aware that where we are in the Universe is a very rare and known as clean space right? It's still filled with radiation (see Van Allen Belt)"

What the hell does that have to do with what I was talking about. If you cannot follow along please dont play.

"Nobody is claiming Dark Matter doesn't exist"

Dark matter is completely different from dark energy. Again, you are showing massive ignorance of the subject you are trying to participate in.

Dark matter is matter than doesnt reflect or absorb electromagnetic energy very well. It has NOTHING to do with dark energy.

[Arclyte]

so fucking edgy

I had to wear a pair of safety gloves just to click on this thread

[Glenzig]

Except we have tons of observable evidence that infers the big bang theory is factually correct. Creationist just point to their holy book. Care to explain cosmic background radiation? Did god create it to fool us?


How about you quit moving the goal posts and answer my questions first. Then I will gladly explain where the energy/matter came from.

????

[paulgiamatti]

Feel free to explain how Something can come from Nothing

We already went over this. We're not claiming something came out of nothing, we're simply not offering any definitive answers to what came before the big bang because there isn't any evidence or plausible theory that approaches that territory.

We're simply saying that refusing to believe in a magical man that said, "Let there be light!" and created it all is a perfectly rational, sound, and sane stance to take.

[leewong]

Huh?

Nobody is moving any goal posts

Feel free to explain how Something can come from Nothing

I already did but apparently it went right over you head. You started talking about dark matter when I referenced the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and dark energy which both refute your claim.

[Glenzig]

so fucking edgy

I had to wear a pair of safety gloves just to click on this thread

I know right?

[iruinedyourday]

This sort of mentality usually arises out of frustration when proven wrong.

enplane to me why we should teach religious shit in science class. and specifically why we should teach YOUR religious shit in science class and not ISIS's?

since you're in this, 'explain shit to me' camp, why don't you explain that to me?

[Glenzig]

I already did but apparently it went right over you head. You started talking about dark matter when I referenced the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and dark energy which both refute your claim.

Energy is still something. Not nothing.

[iruinedyourday]

????

galaxies expanding outward in a direction that would indicate a force that pushed them outward, similar to an explosion.

or in your case, gods big pee pee hole pushing out all that lovely space cum all over the universe you guys call 'manna'.

[leewong]

????

Lol, too hard to keep up?

[leewong]

galaxies expanding outward in a direction that would indicate a force that pushed them outward, similar to an explosion.

or in your case, gods big pee pee hole pushing out all that lovely space cum all over the universe you guys call 'manna'.

Actually, you are wrong on this point. It isnt the initial inertia from the big bang that is causing the expansion. It is dark energy.

[Glenzig]

enplane to me why we should teach religious shit in science class. and specifically why we should teach YOUR religious shit in science class and not ISIS's?

since you're in this, 'explain shit to me' camp, why don't you explain that to me?

Actually you don't have to teach anyone's religion in science class. You could just teach the cold hard facts about biology or astronomy or any given scientific subject. If you were just plain out teaching science there would be no reason to teach that our eyes either formed by random yet guided mutations, or that God created them. You actually really could just teach how they work to the best and most accurate knowledge available and then let the student make up their mind one way or the other. That is actually what science is supposed to be anyway isn't it?

[Glenzig]

Lol, too hard to keep up?

No. I understand the subject matter. I didn't understand your claim of goalpost moving.

[leewong]

Energy is still something. Not nothing.

FFS, follow along now. Virtual particles pop into and out of existence. Proven fact. Their interactions produce DARK ENERGY. I didnt claim energy popped into existence...I claimed VIRTUAL PARTICLES DID.

Man, you are dense.

[iruinedyourday]

Actually you don't have to teach anyone's religion in science class. You could just teach the cold hard facts about biology or astronomy or any given scientific subject. If you were just plain out teaching science there would be no reason to teach that our eyes either formed by random yet guided mutations, or that God created them. You actually really could just teach how they work to the best and most accurate knowledge available and then let the student make up their mind one way or the other. That is actually what science is supposed to be anyway isn't it?

So were back at that chicken and the egg moment where we're simply arguing weather some of you think science is a religion and educated people try to tell you its an assessment of current knowledge and theory waiting to be debunked by new facts?

Cool, seems like religions only goal is to tear down any attempt at finding out any truth.

If I was going to believe in Christian like religion it would be that Satan won, put god in a prison in the center of the earth where he is tortured and burnt along with anyone who believes in him, and at the opulent golden churches the devil built he preaches his best to get ya'll mother fuckers to rip the world into a frenzy of pain and suffering for all.

[paulgiamatti]

I have nothing against teaching students what the idea of creationism and religion entails, as long as they aren't attempting to proselytize and mandate the study of religious scripture. I do, however, think it is a good idea to read religious literature as it was our first attempt at many scientific concepts such as cosmology, but that should be done entirely on your own time.

[leewong]

No. I understand the subject matter. I didn't understand your claim of goalpost moving.

Even if I explained, I dont think you would understand. Just realize you are stupid and most things in life will be very difficult for you.

[G13]

"You're aware that where we are in the Universe is a very rare and known as clean space right? It's still filled with radiation (see Van Allen Belt)"

What the hell does that have to do with what I was talking about. If you cannot follow along please dont play.

Has everything to do with what you were talking about. See your original post.

"Nobody is claiming Dark Matter doesn't exist"

Dark matter is completely different from dark energy. Again, you are showing massive ignorance of the subject you are trying to participate in.

Dark matter is matter than doesnt reflect or absorb electromagnetic energy very well. It has NOTHING to do with dark energy.

Where did I ever claim Dark Matter and Dark Energy were the same?

How did Dark Energy create the Universe

How did Dark Energy create Matter

How did Dark Energy create the Energy that caused The Big Bang

[Eliseus]

So were back at that chicken and the egg moment where we're simply arguing weather some of you think science is a religion and educated people try to tell you its an assessment of current knowledge and theory waiting to be debunked by new facts?

Cool, seems like religions only goal is to tear down any attempt at finding out any truth.

If I was going to believe in Christian like religion it would be that Satan won, put god in a prison in the center of the earth where he is tortured and burnt along with anyone who believes in him, and at the opulent golden churches the devil built he preaches his best to get ya'll mother fuckers to rip the world into a frenzy of pain and suffering for all.

Anything and everything is a religion, if you have similar beliefs which extends to more than a belief in God and Jesus Christ, which you seem to have your heart set on this implication, it is considered a religion. Again, facts are facts no matter how much you deny it, it is a religion, just like atheism is even though atheists swear up and down that they aren't.

[G13]

We already went over this. We're not claiming something came out of nothing, we're simply not offering any definitive answers to what came before the big bang because there isn't any evidence or plausible theory that approaches that territory.

We're simply saying that refusing to believe in a magical man that said, "Let there be light!" and created it all is a perfectly rational, sound, and sane stance to take.

I haven't mentioned God or The Bible once

What is the essence of all Matter and Energy

[G13]

Energy is still something. Not nothing.

Exactly

[G13]

FFS, follow along now. Virtual particles pop into and out of existence. Proven fact. Their interactions produce DARK ENERGY. I didnt claim energy popped into existence...I claimed VIRTUAL PARTICLES DID.

Man, you are dense.

In and out of existence?

Not dimensional?

[paulgiamatti]

Anything and everything is a religion

Just stop with this. This is such a sad attempt at debunking the clear and obvious distinction between religionist and scientific worldviews. To conflate religion with, in your words, everything is the most egregious line of non-thought I've ever come across. Everyone knows what we mean when we say religion. No one thinks religion is everything, and I'm not about to start now.

[G13]

Just stop with this. This is such a sad attempt at debunking the clear and obvious distinction between religionist and scientific worldviews. To conflate religion with, in your words, everything is the most egregious line of non-thought I've ever come across. Everyone knows what we mean when we say religion. No one thinks religion is everything, and I'm not about to start now.

Science is corrupt

They've been pushing the Evolution Hoax, The Global Warming Hoax

Hoax after Hoax after Hoax

Grant Money is awesome

[Eliseus]

Just stop with this. This is such a sad attempt at debunking the clear and obvious distinction between religionist and scientific worldviews. To conflate religion with, in your words, everything is the most egregious line of non-thought I've ever come across. Everyone knows what we mean when we say religion. No one thinks religion is everything, and I'm not about to start now.

So you are saying because its commonly accepted to be illiterate and retarded, people should just accept it and not correct people. I could sit here and be like, "all ******s are criminals and should be shot." "Oh everyone knows what I mean, please don't take offense." You sir, are a fucking retard in everything you post, let alone the inaccuracy and hypocrisy among it all is outrages. You are sitting in a thread arguing about facts, and want facts this and facts that then you get mad when facts are proven to you. Let me get this straight, things like what religions really are aren't relevant to you because it doesn't fit your agenda, therefore we must just accept we all know what you really mean in a thread revolved around facts. I also thought you left the thread already, what an attention whore.

[Glenzig]

So were back at that chicken and the egg moment where we're simply arguing weather some of you think science is a religion and educated people try to tell you its an assessment of current knowledge and theory waiting to be debunked by new facts?

Cool, seems like religions only goal is to tear down any attempt at finding out any truth.

If I was going to believe in Christian like religion it would be that Satan won, put god in a prison in the center of the earth where he is tortured and burnt along with anyone who believes in him, and at the opulent golden churches the devil built he preaches his best to get ya'll mother fuckers to rip the world into a frenzy of pain and suffering for all.

Again. I don't think science is a religion, I never said that. I think the theory of evolution is a religion. Unless you think that science begins and ends with the theory of evolution I think you can see the difference.

[iruinedyourday]

hoax lmao.... OOOOOHk so this is what this whole thread is about...

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x9/blackcanary2000/blackcanary2000016/fox_ff_santa_121220e-615x345_zpsfa22f4fc.jpg

once again fox news fills idiots with idiot fuel.

[paulgiamatti]

Well, I'll just let that outburst speak for itself then.

[Eliseus]

Well, I'll just let that outburst speak for itself then.

/comfort

[G13]

Well, I'll just let that outburst speak for itself then.

Just stop with this. This is such a sad attempt at debunking the clear and obvious distinction between religionist and scientific worldviews. To conflate religion with, in your words, everything is the most egregious line of non-thought I've ever come across. Everyone knows what we mean when we say religion. No one thinks religion is everything, and I'm not about to start now.

[paulgiamatti]

Yes, that is precisely what religion aims to be isn't it? A comforting, warm blanket that assures you that you're going to a better place when you die. And all those people that blasphemed? Oh, don't worry, they'll be going to a very special place for an eternity as well.

[G13]

Yes, that is precisely what religion aims to be isn't it? A comforting, warm blanket that assures you that you're going to a better place when you die. And all those people that blasphemed? Oh, don't worry, they'll be going to a very special place for an eternity as well.

What Religion are you talking about?

[iruinedyourday]

http://i.imgur.com/eDBbjy7.jpg

[Glenzig]

FFS, follow along now. Virtual particles pop into and out of existence. Proven fact. Their interactions produce DARK ENERGY. I didnt claim energy popped into existence...I claimed VIRTUAL PARTICLES DID.

Man, you are dense.

Your statement is contradictory. Particles could not pop in and out of existence unless there were somewhere for them to move in and out of that was beyond our perceivable material existence. Which still would not explain where they came from in the first place. They would not be able to exist and not exist alternately, they would have to begin and end unless there was some imperceptible location for them to transit to and from.

[Glenzig]

http://i.imgur.com/eDBbjy7.jpg

You don't celebrate Christmas?

[iruinedyourday]

I love Christmas doggie. I love buying shit. I love all the shit that happens at Christmas.

I dont think its a religious holiday anymore than I think going to a church to admire the cool architecture is me worshiping some magic missile throwing super Jesus.

[Eliseus]

I love Christmas doggie. I love buying shit. I love all the shit that happens at Christmas.

I dont think its a religious holiday anymore than I think going to a church to admire the cool architecture is me worshiping some magic missile throwing super Jesus.

I do have to admit, you are pretty good at derailing a convo with such ludicrously absurd comments that I honestly don't even know how to respond. I do have to say that would be pretty cool though.

[Glenzig]

I love Christmas doggie. I love buying shit. I love all the shit that happens at Christmas.

I dont think its a religious holiday anymore than I think going to a church to admire the cool architecture is me worshiping some magic missile throwing super Jesus.

Its a religious festival. Sounds like you just got guild tagged.

[iruinedyourday]

I do have to admit, you are pretty good at derailing a convo with such ludicrously absurd comments that I honestly don't even know how to respond. I do have to say that would be pretty cool though.

http://torreyshannon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/victory.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Its a pagan festival. Too bad Christianity cheated and evaded getting tagged.

[Glenzig]

Its a pagan festival. Too bad Christianity cheated and evaded getting tagged.


I'm not sure if I get it. Sorry.

[iruinedyourday]

it means your religion is just some made up goblty ****

[Glenzig]

it means your religion is just some made up goblty ****

Christmas isn't part of my religion. Interesting though that even atheists celebrate Christmas religiously. Every atheist I've ever met claims to stand for facts and truth, yet they have no problem taking part in a celebration that is founded on fallacies and propped up by lies because "I like presents", or "Its fun."

[G13]

it means your religion is just some made up goblty ****

What religion?

You mean Evolution?

That one?

[leewong]

blah, blah, blah

"Has everything to do with what you were talking about. See your original post. "

Um no, it doesnt. You have no idea what you are talking about at that point or for the most part of this entire discussion.

"Where did I ever claim Dark Matter and Dark Energy were the same?"

You stuck dark matter in with the rest of the nonsense you were talking. I had just mentioned dark energy and assumed you were conflating the two. My bad. Have you looked up Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle yet? Cause that is what we were talking about not solar radiation.

"How did Dark Energy create Matter"

Who claims it did or does? I didnt. I was countering your claim that something cannot come from nothing. Here are six words to make it easy for you...Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle and virtual particles.

"How did Dark Energy create the Energy that caused The Big Bang"

Again...you are speaking nonsense. Is this what you think or what you think I think? As for what started the big bang, we dont know. You dont know, I dont know, a two thousand year old book written by sheep herders doesnt know. Perhaps it is a nonsense question like, "Who made god?" or "What happened before time started?". How would you go about answering such a question?

"In and out of existence? Not dimensional?"

You tell me. Perhaps, you will learn something figuring it out.

"Your statement is contradictory. Particles could not pop in and out of existence unless there were somewhere for them to move in and out of that was beyond our perceivable material existence. Which still would not explain where they came from in the first place. They would not be able to exist and not exist alternately, they would have to begin and end unless there was some imperceptible location for them to transit to and from. " - Glenzig

Lol, so funny. Just gonna bask in your own ignorance instead of looking it up, eh?

[iruinedyourday]

Christmas isn't part of my religion. Interesting though that even atheists celebrate Christmas religiously. Every atheist I've ever met claims to stand for facts and truth, yet they have no problem taking part in a celebration that is founded on fallacies and propped up by lies because "I like presents", or "Its fun."

I celebrate thanksgiving cus food, memorial day becuse day off, christmas cus i like elves.

Whats to be surprised about that, Christmas is awesome.

ChrstIANS are the terrible things.

[G13]

"Has everything to do with what you were talking about. See your original post. "

Um no, it doesnt. You have no idea what you are talking about at that point or for the most part of this entire discussion.

"Where did I ever claim Dark Matter and Dark Energy were the same?"

You stuck dark matter in with the rest of the nonsense you were talking. I had just mentioned dark energy and assumed you were conflating the two. My bad. Have you looked up Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle yet? Cause that is what we were talking about not solar radiation.

"How did Dark Energy create Matter"

Who claims it did or does? I didnt. I was countering your claim that something cannot come from nothing. Here are six words to make it easy for you...Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle and virtual particles.

"How did Dark Energy create the Energy that caused The Big Bang"

Again...you are speaking nonsense. Is this what you think or what you think I think? As for what started the big bang, we dont know. You dont know, I dont know, a two thousand year old book written by sheep herders doesnt know. Perhaps it is a nonsense question like, "Who made god?" or "What happened before time started?". How would you go about answering such a question?

"In and out of existence? Not dimensional?"

You tell me. Perhaps, you will learn something figuring it out.

"Your statement is contradictory. Particles could not pop in and out of existence unless there were somewhere for them to move in and out of that was beyond our perceivable material existence. Which still would not explain where they came from in the first place. They would not be able to exist and not exist alternately, they would have to begin and end unless there was some imperceptible location for them to transit to and from. " - Glenzig

Lol, so funny. Just gonna bask in your own ignorance instead of looking it up, eh?

Lawl that's a lot of gibberish

Weren't you the guy earlier that embarrassed himself claiming adaptation was Evolution? Oh yea you were that guy

Not observable in the field

No change of kinds ever seen. No fossil record to support it

Mutations are harmful. They don't produce positive results

Genetic complexity, molecular physics and the 2nd law of thermodynamics don't work in Evolution's favor. Quite the contrary actually

Evolution = Hoax Religion

Materialism is a last century philosophy

[Glenzig]

I celebrate thanksgiving cus food, memorial day becuse day off, christmas cus i like elves.

Whats to be surprised about that, Christmas is awesome.

ChrstIANS are the terrible things.

So you participate in something that you know is an outright lie just because it happens to be something that you personally like? How could you ever stand in judgment of even the most misinformed religious observer? You know its a lie and you still do it.

[Faron]

Multiple disciplines of science turned on their heads in 20 pages from the pals @ P99 rnf. The world will never be the same.

[G13]

Multiple disciplines of science turned on their heads in 20 pages from the pals @ P99 rnf. The world will never be the same.

Science is corrupt

Global Warming scam comes to mind

It's all agenda driven nonsense and group think.

That much is obvious

[paulgiamatti]

Participating in traditionalist events has absolutely nothing to say about your mode of belief or unbelief, and any suggestion that it does is simply over-attribution. Just because I sometimes say "thank god" or "god damnit" or any number of other things that reference religion - a part of mankind's history as much as anything else - doesn't mean I secretly, actually believe in a divine celestial dictatorship that watches over me every moment of my life, capable of condemning me to an eternity of damnation if I merely think about the wrong things.

I participate in Christmas and thanksgiving and whatever holidays I choose to, and I make no excuse for it. It is my right as a free citizen, and I am no worse off for it and my unbelief will remain just as staunch as it's always been after having done so. I appreciate religious literature, artwork, and music - I don't think religion's contribution in this regard is inherently bad or detrimental, and feel no remorse for appreciating it because it has nothing to do with the institutionalized megachurches and it doesn't require me to give them any money.

[iruinedyourday]

So you participate in something that you know is an outright lie just because it happens to be something that you personally like? How could you ever stand in judgment of even the most misinformed religious observer? You know its a lie and you still do it.

oh so being a religious person, you believe in Santa Clause?

[rgostic]

What created the Matter and Energy of The Big Bang

Something cannot come from Nothing

Matter cannot be created or destroyed right?

We have no idea. This is the mystery of the universe.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

obvious

There's that word again. You've used it several times in this thread.

What's obvious is that you disregard all forms of tangible evidence. What's obvious is that you concentrate on what is not (yet) testable in a lab instead of what is.

[rgostic]

Evolution is a hoax

There are little motors that make up atoms and molecules. These little motors have up to 30 individual moving parts. In order for these little motors to function, all moving parts must exist and work in complete symbiosis at the exact same time. Evolution would have been an impossibility. These are building blocks that make up all Matter.


You have no idea what you are talking about; this is a godawful metaphor. The theory of evolution doesn't apply to individual atoms. They don't have DNA. Also, molecules don't have motors.

[Pokesan]

i didn't read the thread but I'm going to boldly theorize that it's 99% luddites or just plain dumb folks arguing with each other

*flies away*

[rgostic]

That bacteria becomes something new or is it still just bacteria?

Your brain hasn't learned how to understand time scales beyond that which it experiences. Demanding to observe macro-evolution during your at most 100 year life span is like a fruit fly not believing in annual cycles because its life span exists within a single season.

[rgostic]

Nonsense

If your claim is true there would be a fossil record that proved this. The fossil record (evidence) shows the exact opposite. There are no transmutational fossils that show any change of kinds? Why?

You want people to believe these phantom changes that allegedly happen over billions of years based upon faith. That isn't science.


The fossil record is absolutely imperfect due to erosional forces combined with the difficulty in preserving body fossils, yet it is still chock full of species which are intermediates between previous and later species. Do better research.

[Glenzig]

Your brain hasn't learned how to understand time scales beyond that which it experiences. Demanding to observe macro-evolution during your at most 100 year life span is like a fruit fly not believing in annual cycles because its life span exists within a single season.

So really he just needs more faith.

[Glenzig]

i didn't read the thread but I'm going to boldly theorize that it's 99% luddites or just plain dumb folks arguing with each other

*flies away*

You are by far the smartest person to post in this thread yet.

[rgostic]

To understand evolution its branching nature must be comprehended. When speciation occurs, it does not replace the species from which it evolved.

[iruinedyourday]

how bout that santa clause zing eh glenzig? gotcha with that one. still feeln pretty good about it :p

[Glenzig]

how bout that santa clause zing eh glenzig? gotcha with that one. still feeln pretty good about it :p

No I don't believe in Santa Claus. I also choose not to perpetuate the lie that most people feed to their children about Santa Claus by refusing to participate in the celebration of Christmas. Why was that a zing?

[Glenzig]

Do you believe in Santa Claus?

[leewong]

more nonsense

Embarrassed myself? Evolution is adaption through natural selection. It's not hard to understand.

"No change of kinds ever seen. No fossil record to support it"

Every fossil supports it. So does the geological record and DNA results.

"Mutations are harmful. They don't produce positive results"

Drug resistant bacteria.

"Genetic complexity, molecular physics and the 2nd law of thermodynamics don't work in Evolution's favor. Quite the contrary actually"

False assertion with no evidence. Actually, all evidence points to the contrary.

"Evolution = Hoax Religion"

Not a religion or hoax. Get educated.

"Materialism is a last century philosophy"

God is dead.

[iruinedyourday]

god damnit glenzig I thought u had a sense of humor.

its a zing cus Christmas is...

oh for gods sake nevermind. FINE YOU WIN RELIGION IS RIGHT!!! one of the religions is wrong though, lets kill everyone that doesn't believe in the right one yay!

[Glenzig]

god damnit glenzig I thought u had a sense of humor.

its a zing cus Christmas is...

oh for gods sake nevermind. FINE YOU WIN RELIGION IS RIGHT!!! one of the religions is wrong though, lets kill everyone that doesn't believe in the right one yay!

Sorry I didn't get the joke. My bad.

[iruinedyourday]

Sorry I didn't get the joke. My bad.

no joking when religious zellots are talking about your fantasy irl roleplay games. :P

[mtb tripper]

religion is a construct of human perception

[Glenzig]

no joking when religious zellots are talking about your fantasy irl roleplay games. :P

No I really just didn't get the joke. Sorry.

[Champion_Standing]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/7d/7da5767856b00b0f6f4b96286d5200455f767def7345fd645d dfea8146b34d49.jpg

[Non Quixote]

The sheer weight of scientific ignorance exposed by this thread is staggering. I suppose a lot of it can be blamed on the proliferation of "anti-evolution" sites such as answersingenesis.org that spread disinformation, create strawmen and post outrageous lies concerning the science behind the fact and theory of biological evolution.

For example:


Confusing the casual use and scientific use of the word "theory".
A scientific theory is based on plentiful and coherent evidence, and while it may be modified, is accepted as the best current explanation of empirical evidence by a consensus of the scientific community. The Theory of Gravity is one such example, Electrical Theory another.


Falsely claiming that any evidence of biological evolution must include observed speciation.
Biological evolution in its simplest form can be summed up in a single sentence: Changes in the frequency of alleles in a population over time. That this process happens is a scientifically established fact, observed countless times both in a laboratory and in the wild.

I could go on, but I'm not into building a wall of text. For a more comprehensive list of misconceptions and disinformation you can visit this (http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php#e2) site.

You can call science a religion, and I can call a dog a caterpillar, but it would not change the essence of either. Religion is based on faith and belief, while science is based on a coherent, falsifiable interpretation of empirical evidence.

Religion should remain within the purview of the religious community and science within the purview of the scientific community.

Failing that, if you want to argue against biological evolution at least take the time to familiarize yourself with the scientific fact and theory that defines it. Anything from Kent Hovind and company doesn't count. ;)